@@jennrjh255 Think about this real hard: How do they use your fingerprint over and over again? That’s like saying your credit card company doesn’t record your transactions The entire point of the system is moot if they did
@@tacticallemon7518 They store a much smaller amount of data generated from the scan, and that’s what they compare. They don’t bother to store the scanned fingerprint for two reasons: it’s too expensive, and it could be a huge issue if there is ever a breach into their database.
A database is information that is set up for easy access, management and updating. Computer databases typically store aggregations of data records or files that contain information, such as sales transactions, customer data, financials and product information. Look what one Google search told me its in the first sentence it describes what is going on curious gamer
Yeah they keep your finger print if you are a pass holder. If it doesn’t match then they will photograph you and compare you to a prior photo, in particular for kids bc there finger prints change as they age .
Doesn't matter. Fingerprints in databases aren't universal. They only work for a single machine. In fact, you can't even take fingerprint data from one phone to another phone as there isn't a single machine capable of creating two fingerprint sensors that precisely
Except that of course Snapchat would keep it for legal purposes, otherwise all kinds of criminals would very easily plot their crimes with its help and I'm sure they wanna be associated with that...
As if they delete _all_ the info. Which rides you took, and what time of day and how many times you took them, is an example of data I _don’t_ think they delete at all, because that can be used to get more money from you in the future.
The reader takes samples from several spots on your fingerprint to generate a code number. But, it doesn’t use or store the entire fingerprint. Those codes are not unique codes - more than one person's fingerprint will generate the same code. Similarly, a code cannot be used to reproduce someone’s fingerprint because different fingerprints on different people could generate the same code number. It is simply a number that gets associated with your card. The next time you use the card, your fingerprint should generate the same code number.
"They don't even have a database OF FINGERPRINTS" Yes they have a database but it contains numbers from 1 to 1000, not fingerprints. Listen to the whole sentence before sounding like a fool
I imagine they probably just save it on your ticket/wristband whatever (in the NFC chip, yes they can store data, that's how NFC bank card or Nintendo Amiibos work). Especially since that's a lot more reliable, since there's no need for a connection to the database. That way they just need the scanner thingy itself and can put it wherever without needing to check a bunch of connections. It's just not convenient to make a database for that kinda stuff. Like I don't trust corporations either, but they'd have to be kinda stupid to use a database for this. Especially since they couldn't then just use the same tech in France (because EU data processing and protection laws).
@@ferdinand3und4zig But they are using a database though. Whenever you put in your fingerprint, it is hashed into an int up to 1000. That number is stored in a database with the expectation that the same fingerprint would get hashed into the same number on future visits. That also means if you take someone else's card you have a .1% chance of being able to get in without needing their print if yours and theirs happen to hash into the same number that's stored in the database
@@Ryrzard Do you seriously not get that if a hash is a perfect representation of a fingerprint that would require it to be absolutely unique and would mean you could quite literally reverse the process to get the fingerprint back out of the hash. You cant have a hash that obfuscates the original data while remaining unique to each persons fingerprint lol
“They don’t have a data base” but they remember your finger print assigned to your ticket. I guess there’s just some guy in the back with a really good memory.
Not remembering but it calculates a unique number that represents your fingerprint but cannot be reversed Like how your passwords are stored, no one knows your passwords but the hashes of them. Every time you want to authenticate the hash is calculated again using the same method and the results are compared against the prior results, if they match then the password or the fingerprint are the same without knowing what exactly is your password or fingerprint
@@Mezielz yes they can and they use a extremely small pool(0-9) exact to increase the collision rate for this specific case Because the goal is to discourage "smart" customers doing tricks while reducing the identifiably. The goal here is to distinguishs different fingerprints not to actually identify individual fingerprints
@@MezielzRight, it just has to be good enough. If the unique number for fingerprints is 1-1000 there's a 1/1000 chance that someone can fraud the system, which is more than enough. Password hashes like bcrypt work on the same principle but on steroids. It IS possible to log in to your email with a password other than the one you created your account with. Good luck though! And modern password hashes also include "salts" so this has to be done per-account and not for every account with the same password
@@Mezielzit doesnt need to be perfect, it needs to be near perfect. Theorethically there is a 1:1000 chance of a match which drastically reduces the whatever...
Then don’t go. I’m sure Disney having your finger print is soo terrible. It’s not like you carry around a mobile devise that scans your entire face, listens to your conversations, and tracks you. Hah, never. Y’all are so ignorant I stg.
@@ashethedestroyer5114 From what I understand they look for common tiny subpatterns in fingerprints (sharp bends and such) and use the relative position of a few of those to generate the number. The whole fingerprint is never stored anywhere except in a place where it will be overwritten as soon as the next person in line scans their finger.
No, you need to think beter. It is in fact not a database of fingerprints. She is right. Every fingerprint is hashed using an algorithm into a number from 1 to 1000. (For example 532). This number is stored on your card and the next time you scan your finger that same hashing algorithmis used to again generate a number from 1 - 1000. If the result is again 532, you're good as your finger was the original finger used to "seal" the card. The fingerprints are never saved, and the number is only on your card - nowhere on a database (although you could argue that the single number saved in your cards memory is also a database but that's besides the point). There will be other peoples fingers that also result in 532, but the chance that you know someone with that feature and are able to coordinate fraud with them are so low that Disney sees this as enough if a security check. Tldr; only checksum (hash) of fingerprint is matched with a code on your card. The fingerprint itself is never stored.
@@adagioforstrings007 it wouldn't make sense. The sheer number of calls to a remote database on the daily would mean so much maintenance, on ground staff for the database, wired (or wireless connection) to said database from ezch terminal... It doesn't make logical sense especially if you consider Disney basically already has your name, payment info, bank number, address from when you bought your ticket... Why on earth would they store a big database of fingerprints? It'd cost them more than it'd ever gain them.
That's not a database. Databases can be both read and written to at any time, while this can only match that two values are equivalent, not what those values actually are. Also, it's all done in the moment, so the actual fingerprint is only available for a split second.
My dude, they have other ways of getting your prints. Do you not have a license? Or a birth certificate? Hell, they don't even NEED your print. You got a social security number that you use for everything from bank accounts and loans and housing...
"And in the future when you scan its reading that number from your fingerprint." She acts like she is 100% sure. Ugh its not sweet innocence any more its annoying lol
What the hell do you think they do with millions of thumb prints? You're not that special, stop thinking every compamy wants your DNA just because targetted advertising is a thing. It's pathetic
@@xjcrossx Whether Disney is honest or not is a separate matter. The system would work like she described though without storing fingerprints anywhere.
A lot of people don't seem to understand what she's saying. She's saying they are using some function to transform the fingerprint image into a number (between 1-1000) and associating it with the ticket. They then delete the fingerprint and keep the number stored on their database with the ticket number. If that fingerprint is scanned in the future it will be put through the function and output the same number which they can compare to their database. Note: if Disney is lying and actually keeping the fingerprint scan they would have to disclose it to consumers and get their permission to collect and use that data since CA has biometric privacy laws since 2021.
@@jofujino so they turn your fingerprint into a number and store that number so that when it reads your fingerprint again it knows the number sounds like the same thing with extra steps to avoid liability
@The Final Calamity From a privacy and security standpoint it is a lot simpler because that number can never be reversed into a fingerprint. Imagine a fingerprint as a combination of ten thousand attibributes like pixels on an image. If you take the median of all those attributes that could reduce the information in it to a single number. If a thief steals that database they won't be able to reverse that number into fingerprints even if they knew the hashing formula was to take the median because a whole bunch of possible fingerprints can all give you the same output of the median function. That said I could still see this abused just not legally by Disney. For example, maybe the software vendor for this technology has been forced by the NSA to install a backdoor so the NSA can scrape the fingerprint data before it gets deleted. State regulation on biometric data use doesn't apply to the NSA since they are outside of their jurisdiction.
I'm pretty sure I had to fill out a firm and show photo Id and shit to get my voter registration so idk man I replied to the wrong comment bruh I'm sorry
No they don't, they can use a hash function that takes in the fingerprint and outputs the same number every time but with no way to figure out what the print was from just the number. Then just store the number. This is also how basically all password storage works on every place you use a password.
@@fu5ha_edits Yes but do you think they actually do that? These are fingerprints and this is disney. A place which millions of people come a year. Do you really think they will miss an opportunity to collect biometric data like this? Data is future. Are you this naive to think that they won't do this?
Except for the fact that you would need hardware to store it on and a database which would constantly need managing so Disney aren’t going to do that for no reason
If you have the Disney watch with your ticket information, they also email you the photos of you throughout your park visit for purchase. So, they are tracking.
@@ragnkja That is almost exactly the same thing. Literally "the same thing but with extra steps". It may not be saving the actual scans, but the result can be tied to you via the ticket.
@@HalcyonVoid The extra steps have a couple of benefits, in that they save storage space and don’t have to deal with the security demands associated with storing actual biometry, but this certainly doesn’t stop them from keeping track of how you use your ticket.
I'm assuming the way it works is the same way password obfuscation works on any secure service, They don't know WHAT your password is, just what the algorithm ends up telling them your key is... So when they scan your fingerprint, that gets translated by using a few key points on your finger because fingerprints are mostly unique structures, to then generate a number which is saved in the database, your fingerprint is a key that only you have, they just have the result from using the key
@Kithio obfuscating it doesn't matter. The tracking system chooses how to obfuscate, and that obfuscating is unique; otherwise, scanning of a print to the card is useless in preventing card fraud. It's like those AI face apps, where the entire face is scanned to do the deep fake lites. For it to work, the biometrics are taken as accurately as possible. Both Disney and those app devs state they don't store it, but you're giving your forever biometric data to companies for entertainment.
While they would need the fingerprint data for the initial hashing calculation, all they need to store is the final number (which you’d get by using the hash numeric value modulo 1000). Therefore, they don’t need to keep the data outside of temporary ram to do the initial hashing calculation. There are, of course, going to be collisions if they’re only storing a number between 0-1000, so it’s not as unique of an identifier as you’d think, but the odds of someone’s fingerprints having the same value after the modulus is probably slim enough that it still prevents most instances of ticket fraud.
This isn’t a Disney movie where the evil rich people want to take over the world. Be realistic its a billion dollar company why the hell would they need your finger print. It does nothing.
Nah, they store a hash of the fingerprint to the database, but not the fingerprint itself. There's two reasons as to why that is: 1. It's more secure, only _you_ can decrypt the hash, since your fingerprint works as the key. 2. Storing whole fingerprints to database would take space. A fingerprint needs at least 256x256 image. That's big compared to a hash that's just a string of 1000 chars.
So as a former cast member that worked in the Orlando Data Center, yes they do have a fingerprint database. It links the print to the ticket which has your name on it. They also have a separate database that tracks where you go in the park. That is to fins out what rides different people go on. Locals, out of staters, foreigners, base pass vs premium pass. Purely stats. Also, if you heard they delete the scan of the fingerprint right after, how come I need to scan my finger when I go to another park that same day?
I know for a 100% fact you are a supporter of the same technology that makes this work: passwords It’s called a hash. They don’t store your fingerprint, they use your fingerprint to evaluate a one-way function that spits out a number (in this case 1-1000) and store that number instead. Then, to see if it’s really you, they do it again. If it’s you, you’re guaranteed to pass, if it’s not, they have a 1/1000 chance to pass. This is how passwords work and I know you have one because you have a google account 😂
I think thats in reference to the fact that its not actually deleted until its been writen over. Thats why when files are recovered the older they are the more fucked up theyll be.
What do you think Disney does with the fingerprint because it can't be any worse than having your fingerprint scanned into a database by the DMV especially since it's accessible by both local law enforcement and the federal government. And what do you think they're gaining if Disney were to sell it because unless they're selling it to people on the black market it doesn't have any monetary value for any of the companies that Disney partners with other than law enforcement doing investigations in or around the parks.
@@TDGcoolbruiser to make this system work they need to have a database with fingerprints to associate a number with, and vice versa when someone new comes
@Neo take finger, represent it as a number, hash that from 1-1000, (hash can't be reversed because in this case is would just be a number from 1-1000), remove finger from ram. Re-do the hash thing to check that they have the same number as the first time...
@@geneseekleman5385 thx man I made this comment last night when I was half asleep I didn’t even think it was that funny it just popped into my head and I commented it but I’m very glad you found it amusing!👍
She just explained their database... I was waiting for the "and next time you come back, they remember your fingerprint!" After saying they "delete" it
@@1SpartanD4L Disney and six flags in California are like... 2 hours away from each other. Same state. Six flags in Valencia and Disneyland in Anaheim
Disney doesn’t collect/scan your fingerprint. That’s misinformation. They take a photo of a silhouette of your finger shape. They identify you by unique shape markers - like nail length, finger width, etc. that’s why it sometimes doesn’t work if your finger is crooked, your nail shape drastically changes, or if you accidentally use the wrong finger
its both. using a technology called a hash disney is able to generate a unique code based on your fingerprint they store that code with your id so when you scan again it will generate the same code and verify it was you. the information of your fingerprint is not stored and thus disney can’t recreate your fingerprint without you they can only confirm it’s you once you scan it. disney actually doesn’t even store the code they put it on you card
@@CRAVExv not of your fingerprint, the database is basically a part of a code that gets assigned to you based on the data from the fingerprint reader which spits out code that is then hashed which makes it into a random string of numbers which are stored on your card and matched to a database that only checks off if that random string of numbers is valid. this means that disney doesn’t technically add any data at all and the only way it knows “who you are” is by the random identifier with the ticket and the expiration date of the ticket. basically in layman’s terms disney stores nothing and can access nothing personal to you. it might be hard to understand without knowledge of programming but it’s a fairly basic system for user authentication . however, the photo system that they use at other disney parks is different and actually does store your photo and adds it to a database. that way if you get flagged for bad behavior or as a ‘risk’ by disneys (pretty advanced) guest identification system they will be able to match you to the name on your ticket in the event that happens which makes it easier to bar you entry from disney parks. if you wanna be paranoid it should be of that system, not fingerprints being stored.
@@CRAVExv is Disney, how do multiple people get through the gate without tickets? Has this ever been such a huge profit loss? Clearly something else going on.
Yes. Disney does track you in the park, the magic bands. I had a former coworker of mine go to Disney, his daughter who was four at the time, lost her band. At security the officer on duty PULLED UP his magic band from the day prior, and used security footage to confirm it was A his daughter and B she was in the park the day prior.
I think what she is trying to say is when you enter the park and use the ticket for the first time and scan your finger print for the first it locks that ticket to that finger print and after you use it again it checks to see if that fingerprint is the same as the first one. Presumably they delete the finger print after a set amount of time.
It's a hash. When you first scan your fingerprint, the system computes a hash of it, stores the hash somewhere, and on subsequent scans the system checks for the stored hash and sees if they match. A hashing function is non-reversible, so it's impossible to see the input data.
They use your fingerprint to associate a code number with your ticket. This code number is not a unique number. It's based on sample points from around your fingerprint. Multple people can generate the same code number. And a code number cannot be used to generate a unique fingerprint. For example, when you scan your finger the first time, it generates 134 as your code number. They associate 134 with your ticket. The next time you use your ticket, it has to be used with a finger that generates 134 as it's code number. Multiple people have prints that will generate 134, but the probablity that you would know someone who does, tied in with the facts that you don't know what number is associated with your card and that if the card is used unsuccessfully too many times then you have to deal with a live person at the park entry before the card will be accepted, is enough to guarantee that the card will only ever be used by one person.
Bro you’d have to have a database for that, they could delete it after the day, but they have to keep it for the ticket fraud thing, otherwise it would be completely useless
Well the video basically describes what is known as "hashing"... unfortunately only 1000 different buckets doesn't convince me that's the truth tho, imagine how many customers they have daily and what the chances are that 2 different fingerprints would be converted to the same number...
@@erikkonstas Yeah, hashing would be the only way this can make any sense at all, even though that's not really "matching your fingerprint to a number" as she describes it.
The fingerprint is hashed; they only store the number. Because there are only 1000 numbers they use, multiple people will have the same number so it’s not uniquely identifiable, but it will be rare enough to prevent reuse So it’s a database, but of numbers not fingerprints
meanwhile....According to a Disney announcement, the facial recognition software's primary focus is to understand guest behavior. Disney has set up cameras all around their theme parks and will use this technology to monitor guests, optimize their days at the park, and enhance the Disney World experience now and for the future.
Went there and I promise you they don't delete it. My niece stole my week pass before I got to use it. They followed me after holding me up in line, because it didn't match up.
They don’t delete it for passholders! Only for tickets that are one days or longer for people who have gone back home from their trip!! I know this because I worked park entrance!
No... the real hypocrisy is that they do all that but will vehemently oppose voter ID laws. Like, gee what's more important.... stopping people from cheating you out of a few bucks or stopping people from committing voter fraud and influencing critical legislation.
The way this can work, in more depth: When the program was being developed, a large sample dataset of fingerprints would have been used, possibly in the hundreds of thousands. An algorithm would be implemented to identify patterns within these fingerprints. By analyzing the dataset with this algorithm, patterns would be identified and the number of fingerprints that shared these patterns would be determined. If patterns were found that were present in some, but not all fingerprints, this could be considered a categorizable property. Many properties per fingerprint would be needed, possibly in the hundreds. These properties would then be grouped into 1000 categories. Each fingerprint is then categorized based on which category it shares the most properties with. This allows for the same fingerprint to always receive the same number, even if the scan is not perfect. Every time a fingerprint is scanned, this calculation is done again. The fingerprint should match to the same category, resulting in the same number every time, without actually storing the fingerprint in a database. Now, many roads lead to rome, and this is just one of them. There are other ways Disney could be doing this, but if you were unsure of how Disney could accurately match a fingerprint to the same number each time it is scanned without storing the fingerprint, this is one potential method they could be using. Also, I really wouldn't be worried about Disney lying about storing your fingerprints. Yes, they could be, but it would be a huge risk. If it were to ever get out that they were storing that kind of information (let alone if the data itself was breached) it'd cost them a lot . Like probably a lot more than it could ever be worth. I don't believe they're dumb enough to risk that.
I mean, wtf do you think they need your fingerprints for? Do you really think you are that important? There are ready several companies that actually share your personal data BLATANTLY so why tf do you think a damn fingerprint would be "sold" by Disney?
@@TOBY-jy7bz LOL why are you so triggered? I only pointed out that they do store info on their database, I didn't even mention the alleged selling of fingerprints. Do you work for Disney or something? 😂😂😂
There is a difference between holding the fingerprint data and the number. If what has been described in the video is true disney has some system for converting a fingerprint scan to a number from 1 to 1000 and since there are way more than 1000 fingerprints the process is not reversible. That means that if Disney only stores the number they can’t reverse the process to get your fingerprints. All they really can do is associate you with the number which should be the same every time you scan. This is a very basic example of how password encryption works on the internet with a couple slight differences but ultimately both rely on irreversible deterministic processes
@@aparna2701 You didn't "pointed it out" nothing you just made an assumption with no logic behind it. "Deleting it right after" might as well just mean deleting it after getting out of the park. I am just tired of people thinking everything is a conspiracy
@@aparna2701 You didn't mentioned but what else could you be possibly implying if not making profit from it? Do you think they jerk off looking at somebody else's finger prints?
@@igniousdeath.23 it sucks. Over hyped AF. You have to have a consoomer brain to enjoy it otherwise it just feels like you are paying for the privilege to enjoy Disney™ official merchandise and properties®
It's not technically. It's just generating a random number hash but it's not a 1-1 match with any identifying info. It just says the person who uses this card has a fingerprint that matches a number. It's fairly anonymous tbh if it actually works that way.
Disney absolutely tracks you in the parks. They use the Magic Band and the My Disney Experience app to track your movements to help predict wait times. It's also used to see where crowd levels are in each park and while on property. Oh, your fingerprints are deleted but not until your tickets/annual pass expire.
They don’t even bother to store the whole print, just tiny subsections of it. From what I understand it looks for certain common subpatterns in fingerprints and use the relative positions of those to generate the number.
They don’t delete it. If you are a pass-holder, it scans your finger once and then you get in. It’s to make sure you don’t steal another band. Although when you get a new one you need a new fingerprint. Hope this clears this up! edit: I said yo instead of to
You don’t need a new finger print with a new band. The finger print is connected to the account the band is registered to. So the new band is already configured
Explanation as to why there is no database of the fingerprint: They use your fingerprint to generate a hash, which you can think of as a # that can only be derived using your fingerprint. Now this hash will be matched to your card, and boom, you can now verify that this is your card via fingerprint. The important bit: storing the hash (which they delete after you leave) is NOT the same as storing your fingerprint. The hash contains no information about your fingerprint; you cannot, for example, generate a model of the fingerprint from the hash. The reason for this is some pretty complicated math, but basically, some information is intentionally lost when making the hash; so you cannot use the hash to figure out the original. Literally impossible to do so.
@@notmitenidt that really matters, it sounds like they’re mapping a totally unique finger print to a finite set of numbers, like I can’t take the number 732 and reverse engineer it into my own fingerprint. Sounds like they’re basing it off of the idea of two factor auth where it’s way less likely that you’re going to have 1: stolen the device 2: share the same hash as another person I don’t really know how I feel about it either way and I think they could figure out two factor some other way, but idt the algorithm is that important if they’re deleting the fingerprint like she said (though I’m not saying they do lol)
Then don’t go. I’m sure Disney having your finger print is soo terrible. It’s not like you carry around a mobile devise that scans your entire face, listens to your conversations, and tracks you. Hah, never. Y’all are so ignorant I stg.
"They delete it right after."
And Google totally doesn't sell your search results to advertisers.
And if they delete it how would they known its u again. She described a database😂
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and the same claim made snapchat infamous 😂😂
But they do turn it over to the DoJ when they get a subpoena from a FISA court.
Yeah she stupid af, the information is obviously stored in the data base, and it's going to be in their data for a while like at least 1 year
yeah right, they totally "delete" it.
How would you know that they won't delete it
@@jennrjh255 Think about this real hard:
How do they use your fingerprint over and over again?
That’s like saying your credit card company doesn’t record your transactions
The entire point of the system is moot if they did
@@tacticallemon7518
They store a much smaller amount of data generated from the scan, and that’s what they compare. They don’t bother to store the scanned fingerprint for two reasons: it’s too expensive, and it could be a huge issue if there is ever a breach into their database.
@@ragnkja so, how do they match your fingerprint to the number in the future?
@@tacticallemon7518
They apply the same algorithm again that they used to create the number in the first place.
You literally just described a database
A database is where you have stored data with a number associated with your data it is in a database
@@beansinthebowl yeah its anonymou s but still a database
A database is information that is set up for easy access, management and updating. Computer databases typically store aggregations of data records or files that contain information, such as sales transactions, customer data, financials and product information. Look what one Google search told me its in the first sentence it describes what is going on curious gamer
@@Nathan-mu8zy that's what I'm saying
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She really said "they'll delete it right after" like bruh 💀
If it does work on a hash system they technically don't HAVE to store it, but, they might 😅 it's Disney after all
@@wasabithumbs6294so when websites store your password using a hash, they arent storing your password...?
Yeah they keep your finger print if you are a pass holder. If it doesn’t match then they will photograph you and compare you to a prior photo, in particular for kids bc there finger prints change as they age .
@@tqtrinh01 Again the technology doesn't technically need to literally keep the picture of the fingerprint in order for this to work
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They delete it like Snapchat deletes things. You might not see it, but it’s still there.
you know nothing
Doesn't matter. Fingerprints in databases aren't universal. They only work for a single machine. In fact, you can't even take fingerprint data from one phone to another phone as there isn't a single machine capable of creating two fingerprint sensors that precisely
Or like discord :0
@@g1carino takes 5 seconds on google to prove me right, sweetie
Except that of course Snapchat would keep it for legal purposes, otherwise all kinds of criminals would very easily plot their crimes with its help and I'm sure they wanna be associated with that...
"Dont worry bro, they delete your info right after... trust me"
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Me after hearing that:...cap matrix acting up again
As if they delete _all_ the info. Which rides you took, and what time of day and how many times you took them, is an example of data I _don’t_ think they delete at all, because that can be used to get more money from you in the future.
“They dont save your fingerprint”
*”The next time you scan it it matches with a specific code made for your fingerprint”*
The reader takes samples from several spots on your fingerprint to generate a code number. But, it doesn’t use or store the entire fingerprint.
Those codes are not unique codes - more than one person's fingerprint will generate the same code.
Similarly, a code cannot be used to reproduce someone’s fingerprint because different fingerprints on different people could generate the same code number. It is simply a number that gets associated with your card. The next time you use the card, your fingerprint should generate the same code number.
bestie, that’s the definition of a database
"They don't even have a database OF FINGERPRINTS"
Yes they have a database but it contains numbers from 1 to 1000, not fingerprints. Listen to the whole sentence before sounding like a fool
@@Smenchevieve you’re the one looking like a fool 😂
@@crayon6760 No explanation? Nice try, better luck next time
I imagine they probably just save it on your ticket/wristband whatever (in the NFC chip, yes they can store data, that's how NFC bank card or Nintendo Amiibos work).
Especially since that's a lot more reliable, since there's no need for a connection to the database.
That way they just need the scanner thingy itself and can put it wherever without needing to check a bunch of connections.
It's just not convenient to make a database for that kinda stuff. Like I don't trust corporations either, but they'd have to be kinda stupid to use a database for this.
Especially since they couldn't then just use the same tech in France (because EU data processing and protection laws).
@@ferdinand3und4zig But they are using a database though. Whenever you put in your fingerprint, it is hashed into an int up to 1000. That number is stored in a database with the expectation that the same fingerprint would get hashed into the same number on future visits. That also means if you take someone else's card you have a .1% chance of being able to get in without needing their print if yours and theirs happen to hash into the same number that's stored in the database
"Deletes the scan right afterwards"
Yeah yeah, sure.
They don’t store the scanned fingerprint itself, but a pattern associated with it. They also don’t store that pattern after the ticket expires.
@@ragnkja I hope that’s the case but lets be honest, I doubt it.
@@xymare1748
The honest answer is that they’re too cheap to store the data longer than they need to.
Not before selling it .
@@TheChocolatBlanc selling the fringerprints to who exactly?
"tHeY dOnT hAvE a DaTAbAsE"
*proceeds to describe a database*
It’s an anonymous database so not rlly what most people would be worried about
It’s anonymous; they just store your fingerprint which is unique and can be used to identify exactly who you are
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@@sondersaga1366 You don't need to store fingerprints for that. Just hashes so you can compare them.
@@Ryrzard Do you seriously not get that if a hash is a perfect representation of a fingerprint that would require it to be absolutely unique and would mean you could quite literally reverse the process to get the fingerprint back out of the hash. You cant have a hash that obfuscates the original data while remaining unique to each persons fingerprint lol
“They don’t have a data base” but they remember your finger print assigned to your ticket. I guess there’s just some guy in the back with a really good memory.
Not remembering but it calculates a unique number that represents your fingerprint but cannot be reversed
Like how your passwords are stored, no one knows your passwords but the hashes of them. Every time you want to authenticate the hash is calculated again using the same method and the results are compared against the prior results, if they match then the password or the fingerprint are the same without knowing what exactly is your password or fingerprint
@play005517 hashes can collide. If the goal is to check that no two people have the same fingerprint, this wouldn't work.
@@Mezielz yes they can and they use a extremely small pool(0-9) exact to increase the collision rate for this specific case
Because the goal is to discourage "smart" customers doing tricks while reducing the identifiably.
The goal here is to distinguishs different fingerprints not to actually identify individual fingerprints
@@MezielzRight, it just has to be good enough. If the unique number for fingerprints is 1-1000 there's a 1/1000 chance that someone can fraud the system, which is more than enough. Password hashes like bcrypt work on the same principle but on steroids. It IS possible to log in to your email with a password other than the one you created your account with. Good luck though! And modern password hashes also include "salts" so this has to be done per-account and not for every account with the same password
@@Mezielzit doesnt need to be perfect, it needs to be near perfect. Theorethically there is a 1:1000 chance of a match which drastically reduces the whatever...
"Don't worry! It doesn't have a database, and it deletes your info!"
Yea, right.
Don't believe Disney delete. Sell data, maybe. Delete, no.
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Hear me out. If you don’t like it just don’t go. That simple
@@parks4089
"If you don't like it, don't watch it" moment
@@wiggard huh
Ha. She thinks they don't store that information.
They do store _some_ data that’s generated from the fingerprint, but not the whole scan.
Storing data costs money, what makes you think they want to spend millions of fingerprints they'll probably never use again?
Then don’t go. I’m sure Disney having your finger print is soo terrible. It’s not like you carry around a mobile devise that scans your entire face, listens to your conversations, and tracks you. Hah, never. Y’all are so ignorant I stg.
@@CaptainAlliancehow can they verify it’s you if they aren’t storing the print for later
@@ashethedestroyer5114
From what I understand they look for common tiny subpatterns in fingerprints (sharp bends and such) and use the relative position of a few of those to generate the number. The whole fingerprint is never stored anywhere except in a place where it will be overwritten as soon as the next person in line scans their finger.
“They don’t have a database”
*explains database*
Yeahhh
No, you need to think beter. It is in fact not a database of fingerprints. She is right.
Every fingerprint is hashed using an algorithm into a number from 1 to 1000. (For example 532). This number is stored on your card and the next time you scan your finger that same hashing algorithmis used to again generate a number from 1 - 1000. If the result is again 532, you're good as your finger was the original finger used to "seal" the card.
The fingerprints are never saved, and the number is only on your card - nowhere on a database (although you could argue that the single number saved in your cards memory is also a database but that's besides the point).
There will be other peoples fingers that also result in 532, but the chance that you know someone with that feature and are able to coordinate fraud with them are so low that Disney sees this as enough if a security check.
Tldr; only checksum (hash) of fingerprint is matched with a code on your card. The fingerprint itself is never stored.
@@adagioforstrings007 it wouldn't make sense. The sheer number of calls to a remote database on the daily would mean so much maintenance, on ground staff for the database, wired (or wireless connection) to said database from ezch terminal... It doesn't make logical sense especially if you consider Disney basically already has your name, payment info, bank number, address from when you bought your ticket... Why on earth would they store a big database of fingerprints? It'd cost them more than it'd ever gain them.
That's not a database. Databases can be both read and written to at any time, while this can only match that two values are equivalent, not what those values actually are. Also, it's all done in the moment, so the actual fingerprint is only available for a split second.
@@ptolemyhenson6838 That's not the definition of a database. Read-only filesystems can also be considered a database.
The government is totally getting these prints from Disney at a premium.
Of course just like casinos and major resorts. They ALL supply data to the government.
My dude, they have other ways of getting your prints. Do you not have a license? Or a birth certificate?
Hell, they don't even NEED your print. You got a social security number that you use for everything from bank accounts and loans and housing...
Rule of thumb: if a company has a way they CAN track you, they WILL.
Maybe it's a rule of finger?
Then sell said data
I think its only for security thing if someone got caught of something they can use finger print marks to help the proof
Why would a billion dollar company waste their time tracking random strangers?
@@morgancason7156 cause those strangers have money
"they don't even have a database for the fingerprints" "they delete it right after" sweet innocence
"And in the future when you scan its reading that number from your fingerprint." She acts like she is 100% sure. Ugh its not sweet innocence any more its annoying lol
@@xjcrossx yeah exactly
What the hell do you think they do with millions of thumb prints? You're not that special, stop thinking every compamy wants your DNA just because targetted advertising is a thing. It's pathetic
@@xjcrossx Whether Disney is honest or not is a separate matter. The system would work like she described though without storing fingerprints anywhere.
@@xjcrossx Who even cares, all our info is online anyway
I think this channel exists to paint Disney in a good light
Oh yeah its definitely run by Disney 🗿
Channel for all those Disney moms..
It's a 🌱
Yeah this is definitely a Disney shill
It's called the mouselets, no way it's not a shill
Meanwhile your fingerprints are found on Minnie Mouse's dead body and Mickey Mouse gets away with it.
You watch South Park?
@@Krakenborn654 no but I've been to Springfield
Mickey can't have done it since the gloves don't fit
Just another day of youtube comments casually ruining my childhood.
"No Database"
"Deletes right after"
Doubt...
A lot of people don't seem to understand what she's saying. She's saying they are using some function to transform the fingerprint image into a number (between 1-1000) and associating it with the ticket. They then delete the fingerprint and keep the number stored on their database with the ticket number. If that fingerprint is scanned in the future it will be put through the function and output the same number which they can compare to their database.
Note: if Disney is lying and actually keeping the fingerprint scan they would have to disclose it to consumers and get their permission to collect and use that data since CA has biometric privacy laws since 2021.
@@jofujino so they turn your fingerprint into a number and store that number so that when it reads your fingerprint again it knows the number sounds like the same thing with extra steps to avoid liability
@@jofujino how many people do you actually know read the full tos
Or the privacy policy
@The Final Calamity From a privacy and security standpoint it is a lot simpler because that number can never be reversed into a fingerprint. Imagine a fingerprint as a combination of ten thousand attibributes like pixels on an image. If you take the median of all those attributes that could reduce the information in it to a single number. If a thief steals that database they won't be able to reverse that number into fingerprints even if they knew the hashing formula was to take the median because a whole bunch of possible fingerprints can all give you the same output of the median function.
That said I could still see this abused just not legally by Disney. For example, maybe the software vendor for this technology has been forced by the NSA to install a backdoor so the NSA can scrape the fingerprint data before it gets deleted. State regulation on biometric data use doesn't apply to the NSA since they are outside of their jurisdiction.
Dude, if they wanted to steal your fingerprints, they would just use the ones people leave behind from touching everything
They don't track your fingers but they track your fingerprint
This is why I have a drawer full of severed fingers, Disney can't stop me from committing fraud
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😂😂😂
Let’s unpack this…
I just imagined the sound of the drawer opening and seeing a cigar box full of all varieties of fingers… you good sir made me laugh so damn good
My, such dark humor. Still made me laugh
They literally need a database to store each data for the number and fingerprint 😭
I'm pretty sure I had to fill out a firm and show photo Id and shit to get my voter registration so idk man
I replied to the wrong comment bruh I'm sorry
No they don't, they can use a hash function that takes in the fingerprint and outputs the same number every time but with no way to figure out what the print was from just the number. Then just store the number. This is also how basically all password storage works on every place you use a password.
@@fu5ha_edits yes yes yes, a Software engineer speaking the truth here! Sincerely another software engineer
@@fu5ha_edits Yes but do you think they actually do that? These are fingerprints and this is disney. A place which millions of people come a year. Do you really think they will miss an opportunity to collect biometric data like this? Data is future. Are you this naive to think that they won't do this?
Because Disney's the best.
It’s foolish to believe that corporations wouldn’t keep your digital data when it’s provided for free mandatorily.
And data is like the new gold for corporations lol
yeah, this lady must work for Disney or something, not even kidding.
@@boredapathetic Yup
What reason would Disney have to keep a fingerprint lol
Except for the fact that you would need hardware to store it on and a database which would constantly need managing so Disney aren’t going to do that for no reason
We all know Disney likes to track people as much as google does
"Its not because they want to track you" sounds like they want to track me lmao
If you have the Disney watch with your ticket information, they also email you the photos of you throughout your park visit for purchase. So, they are tracking.
@@hgib3 lol I knew it!
at this point with cleaver (and aggressive) marketing tactics I wouldn't be surprised if theh had data on your bodly fluids
“The don’t have a database for the fingerprints.”
Wh- why need them.
To use as a “seed” to generate the number, which is generated in such a way that the same seed always outputs the same number.
@@ragnkja That is almost exactly the same thing. Literally "the same thing but with extra steps". It may not be saving the actual scans, but the result can be tied to you via the ticket.
@@ragnkja I agree, it is still a database, but hashed and salted databases are wayyy more secure
@@HalcyonVoid
The extra steps have a couple of benefits, in that they save storage space and don’t have to deal with the security demands associated with storing actual biometry, but this certainly doesn’t stop them from keeping track of how you use your ticket.
@@ragnkja I am aware. The point is they are still effectively saving your fingerprint, just in extra steps.
Attaching a number to a fingerprint is literally building a database.
I'm assuming the way it works is the same way password obfuscation works on any secure service, They don't know WHAT your password is, just what the algorithm ends up telling them your key is...
So when they scan your fingerprint, that gets translated by using a few key points on your finger because fingerprints are mostly unique structures, to then generate a number which is saved in the database, your fingerprint is a key that only you have, they just have the result from using the key
@Kithio obfuscating it doesn't matter. The tracking system chooses how to obfuscate, and that obfuscating is unique; otherwise, scanning of a print to the card is useless in preventing card fraud.
It's like those AI face apps, where the entire face is scanned to do the deep fake lites. For it to work, the biometrics are taken as accurately as possible. Both Disney and those app devs state they don't store it, but you're giving your forever biometric data to companies for entertainment.
@@kithio8296 it's still a fingerprint data doesn't matter how you make the key, you gotta store the data in order tell it apart.
While they would need the fingerprint data for the initial hashing calculation, all they need to store is the final number (which you’d get by using the hash numeric value modulo 1000). Therefore, they don’t need to keep the data outside of temporary ram to do the initial hashing calculation. There are, of course, going to be collisions if they’re only storing a number between 0-1000, so it’s not as unique of an identifier as you’d think, but the odds of someone’s fingerprints having the same value after the modulus is probably slim enough that it still prevents most instances of ticket fraud.
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I don’t believe for a second that Disney deletes it😭
“They dont wanna track you” yeah, okay lady. Whatever you say, i’m gonna keep my tin foil hat on for this one.
No doubts on that :)
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“Disney’s deletes the scan” 🤡
This isn’t a Disney movie where the evil rich people want to take over the world. Be realistic its a billion dollar company why the hell would they need your finger print. It does nothing.
If they didn’t delete your scan, but claimed to delete that data then you’d be able to sue for the maintenance and/or selling of personal information
@Serana TheNecromancer how would you know. Sheep 🐑 🐏 🐑
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What a joke
She literally described a database and the fact that they store the fingerprints into a database for later use!
Nah, they store a hash of the fingerprint to the database, but not the fingerprint itself. There's two reasons as to why that is:
1. It's more secure, only _you_ can decrypt the hash, since your fingerprint works as the key.
2. Storing whole fingerprints to database would take space. A fingerprint needs at least 256x256 image. That's big compared to a hash that's just a string of 1000 chars.
So as a former cast member that worked in the Orlando Data Center, yes they do have a fingerprint database. It links the print to the ticket which has your name on it. They also have a separate database that tracks where you go in the park. That is to fins out what rides different people go on. Locals, out of staters, foreigners, base pass vs premium pass. Purely stats.
Also, if you heard they delete the scan of the fingerprint right after, how come I need to scan my finger when I go to another park that same day?
*remembering all of those times I heard that “nothing is ever truly deleted”*
yeah hell no i aint getting my fingerprints scanned by anyone
@@AshIzDeadoh no disney got your fingerprints so what
I know for a 100% fact you are a supporter of the same technology that makes this work: passwords
It’s called a hash. They don’t store your fingerprint, they use your fingerprint to evaluate a one-way function that spits out a number (in this case 1-1000) and store that number instead. Then, to see if it’s really you, they do it again. If it’s you, you’re guaranteed to pass, if it’s not, they have a 1/1000 chance to pass.
This is how passwords work and I know you have one because you have a google account 😂
@@grotteneule3738 ah not good to have a record of them anywhere
I think thats in reference to the fact that its not actually deleted until its been writen over. Thats why when files are recovered the older they are the more fucked up theyll be.
This is a clear example of why the US needs privacy laws. Literally anything would be nice.
Wtf is privacy
@@elidyson256 It's when you download a movie you don't own
@@empathicqubit I download millions of movies every year.
What do you think Disney does with the fingerprint because it can't be any worse than having your fingerprint scanned into a database by the DMV especially since it's accessible by both local law enforcement and the federal government. And what do you think they're gaining if Disney were to sell it because unless they're selling it to people on the black market it doesn't have any monetary value for any of the companies that Disney partners with other than law enforcement doing investigations in or around the parks.
@@jake_sabrwolf9795 If they don't have it then guests don't need to hypothesise about what they could be doing with it
“See they don’t have a database but they do have a system that checks through thousands of previous park goers” The Irony in this video.
she is only saying they don't store a database of fingerprints ffs
@@TDGcoolbruiser to make this system work they need to have a database with fingerprints to associate a number with, and vice versa when someone new comes
@@ChoiceOfGaming not necessarily, think about passwords. no modern website actually stores passwords but is still able to verify correct passwords.
@@TDGcoolbruiser are you ok? Can you read what you wrote?
@@TDGcoolbruiser you mean like through hashing?
Basically they sell your finger prints to the FBI for money. I want my stash if it’s my finger print.
I love how you say, they delete it immediately, without having any proof
I don't steal, I just remove things from your possession. 😂
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"They dont even store your data" "they delete it after you leave"
They don't store the fingerprint. They delete the hash tied to your fingerprint / card once you leave.
@@coltynstone-lamontagne bullshit, they have to be able to identify your finger somehow
@Neo take finger, represent it as a number, hash that from 1-1000, (hash can't be reversed because in this case is would just be a number from 1-1000), remove finger from ram.
Re-do the hash thing to check that they have the same number as the first time...
@@coltynstone-lamontagne mm pretty cool system
@@Andre_Thomasson yeah if they're being honest in this video than it is pretty cool
“Trust me Bro” - Theme park edition
Her: they don’t save it
Her 7 seconds later: they save it
“Ooooh boy everybody, just give me your fingerprints and your soul and we can start a magical journey!” -Micky
*ha-ha!*
You really think you are that important? Boy, wish i had 1/1000 of your self-righteousness
reflected reads -W!cked
I'm pretty sure Six flags literally had to go to court because they were scanning finger prints and there was a class action lawsuit.
I got $5 from the lawsuit
@@jonathanschmechel7452 I think I've gotten 18?
I mean if you consent when you buy the ticket then you’ve found the loop hole
meanwhile you use social media. seriously bluepilled right there.
@lyk they lost. I get the checks every year.
I'm sure if the FBI really wanted those finger prints they would magically undelete themselves.
The fbi already has fingerprints they don’t gotta get them from Disney
It's actually your bone density, not your fingerprint.
the FBI is in collusion with china so there goes thst theory right out the window
As they should to catch criminals.
@@hatelifelovelife bone density?
They have a database of it and they save it.
They clone you, it’s where they get their mascots. Never take the headpiece or mask off a mascot at Disney you might find yourself staring back at you
Lmfao this needs more likes my guy
Sounds like a Meat Canyon video.
@@geneseekleman5385 thx man I made this comment last night when I was half asleep I didn’t even think it was that funny it just popped into my head and I commented it but I’m very glad you found it amusing!👍
Creative. Take my like.
Sounds like a creepy pasta
She just explained their database... I was waiting for the "and next time you come back, they remember your fingerprint!" After saying they "delete" it
who's gonna tell her that a billion dollar company didn't turn into a billion dollar company by doin no shady business?
But would she believe it? Even when told how RECENTLY, L.A. used DNA evidence from sexual assaults/rapes to identify and charge people for crimes.
>there’s no database
>proceeds to describe what a data base is
I remember when you could actually go there without paying an arm and leg.
Right?
Moooooom, Grandpa needs his meds!
The good ol' days
@@lloydfs5114 Mooooooom, the coffin is banging again
I think that everything else will soon follow
Disney: We did an investigation of ourselves to make sure we're above board. It's all good man.
Six flags deadass got sued for 36M for doing the same thing, but apparently disneys cool enough to do it 😬
That was due to the state they operated in. Plus, Disney's terms of use allows for alternate ways to provide 2FA where as Six Flags did not.
@@1SpartanD4L yea plus six flags tried to use budget approaches to ensure park safety, which only ended in them paying more money
Corruption. 🫴
@@1SpartanD4L Disney and six flags in California are like... 2 hours away from each other. Same state. Six flags in Valencia and Disneyland in Anaheim
Disney doesn’t collect/scan your fingerprint. That’s misinformation. They take a photo of a silhouette of your finger shape. They identify you by unique shape markers - like nail length, finger width, etc. that’s why it sometimes doesn’t work if your finger is crooked, your nail shape drastically changes, or if you accidentally use the wrong finger
I keep getting these disney videos recommended and each one makes me want to visit even less, which I didn't know was possible.
Ticket fraud sounds like a really cool excuse to start collecting fingerprints
‘They deleted right after’
‘It’s just to make sure not more then one person uses the tickets.’
Now which one is, pick a side
its both. using a technology called a hash disney is able to generate a unique code based on your fingerprint they store that code with your id so when you scan again it will generate the same code and verify it was you. the information of your fingerprint is not stored and thus disney can’t recreate your fingerprint without you they can only confirm it’s you once you scan it. disney actually doesn’t even store the code they put it on you card
@@takingafatdump so they have a database 😐
@@CRAVExv not of your fingerprint, the database is basically a part of a code that gets assigned to you based on the data from the fingerprint reader which spits out code that is then hashed which makes it into a random string of numbers which are stored on your card and matched to a database that only checks off if that random string of numbers is valid. this means that disney doesn’t technically add any data at all and the only way it knows “who you are” is by the random identifier with the ticket and the expiration date of the ticket. basically in layman’s terms disney stores nothing and can access nothing personal to you. it might be hard to understand without knowledge of programming but it’s a fairly basic system for user authentication .
however, the photo system that they use at other disney parks is different and actually does store your photo and adds it to a database. that way if you get flagged for bad behavior or as a ‘risk’ by disneys (pretty advanced) guest identification system they will be able to match you to the name on your ticket in the event that happens which makes it easier to bar you entry from disney parks. if you wanna be paranoid it should be of that system, not fingerprints being stored.
@@CRAVExv is Disney, how do multiple people get through the gate without tickets? Has this ever been such a huge profit loss? Clearly something else going on.
@@CRAVExv no, it's single entry on a card. Nothing to do with a databse.
"and disney totally deletes your fingerprint right after"
“They don’t even have a database of prints” lmao… this should be a Netflix special
"They delete it right after" some heavy defense being played here
Yes. Disney does track you in the park, the magic bands. I had a former coworker of mine go to Disney, his daughter who was four at the time, lost her band. At security the officer on duty PULLED UP his magic band from the day prior, and used security footage to confirm it was A his daughter and B she was in the park the day prior.
They have face recognition software that will track you while in the park, too.
“They delete it after so they can make sure no copy ticket is used by matching it with your deleted finger print” 😣 my brain
I think what she is trying to say is when you enter the park and use the ticket for the first time and scan your finger print for the first it locks that ticket to that finger print and after you use it again it checks to see if that fingerprint is the same as the first one. Presumably they delete the finger print after a set amount of time.
It's a hash. When you first scan your fingerprint, the system computes a hash of it, stores the hash somewhere, and on subsequent scans the system checks for the stored hash and sees if they match. A hashing function is non-reversible, so it's impossible to see the input data.
“They do it so only one person can use a ticket” the only way they could do that is by having a database with your fingerprint in it.
They use your fingerprint to associate a code number with your ticket. This code number is not a unique number. It's based on sample points from around your fingerprint. Multple people can generate the same code number. And a code number cannot be used to generate a unique fingerprint.
For example, when you scan your finger the first time, it generates 134 as your code number. They associate 134 with your ticket. The next time you use your ticket, it has to be used with a finger that generates 134 as it's code number. Multiple people have prints that will generate 134, but the probablity that you would know someone who does, tied in with the facts that you don't know what number is associated with your card and that if the card is used unsuccessfully too many times then you have to deal with a live person at the park entry before the card will be accepted, is enough to guarantee that the card will only ever be used by one person.
Disney probably told her, to say "they delete it right after"
"They don't have a database, they just make a database of your fingerprint" 😂😂
A hash number, not a fingerprint.
Bro you’d have to have a database for that, they could delete it after the day, but they have to keep it for the ticket fraud thing, otherwise it would be completely useless
Well the video basically describes what is known as "hashing"... unfortunately only 1000 different buckets doesn't convince me that's the truth tho, imagine how many customers they have daily and what the chances are that 2 different fingerprints would be converted to the same number...
@@erikkonstas Yeah, hashing would be the only way this can make any sense at all, even though that's not really "matching your fingerprint to a number" as she describes it.
No it makes an MD5 hash from the image data so your fingerprint is never stored
They collect data but also delete it at the same time.
-this girl
“they delete your info right after!” let’s be fr.
"and they dont have even have a database to save your fingerprints"
*in the same breath*
"but they delete it right after"
The fingerprint is hashed; they only store the number. Because there are only 1000 numbers they use, multiple people will have the same number so it’s not uniquely identifiable, but it will be rare enough to prevent reuse
So it’s a database, but of numbers not fingerprints
@@JGHFunRunthey really could do it without database if the number is stored in the card it self
I fail to believe a company like Disney doesn’t do anything with all that free data from every person visiting their parks
meanwhile....According to a Disney announcement, the facial recognition software's primary focus is to understand guest behavior. Disney has set up cameras all around their theme parks and will use this technology to monitor guests, optimize their days at the park, and enhance the Disney World experience now and for the future.
Went there and I promise you they don't delete it.
My niece stole my week pass before I got to use it.
They followed me after holding me up in line, because it didn't match up.
They don’t delete it for passholders! Only for tickets that are one days or longer for people who have gone back home from their trip!! I know this because I worked park entrance!
Imagine a country where voting requires less proof of identity than a DISNEY TICKET
Shhh that’s too logical for people 😂
Just shows how stupid the average American is. 3lecti0n f_rau-d is real and is easier to do than stealing a pack of gum
@@thomasb282 I imagine none of you have gotten your voter registration
L oooo Llll right !!! And Biden WON lmao
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@@macid384 that's right! :)
“They totally don’t keep your finger print”
*does jedi hand wave thingy
(Mickey mouse voice) "why are you waving your hand around like your some kinda jedi?"
@@tinfoiljay8761"Mind tricks aren't gonna work on me, only money"
They 100% track you in the parks.
"They dont have a database for finger prints"
*proceeds to explain about the database of the tickets being linked to tickets*
They have a database of _numbers_ not fingerprints. Learn the two.
they do all that for ticket fraud but don’t pay their employees fairly 💁🏻♀️
The must pay pretty well if people are still working there 💁🏼♂️
Lol my whole family lives down in Florida and works at Disney, they are doing alright. Who told you they don't pay good wages?
@@kgotter15 dollars an hour for cast members, same as Best Buy and they refuse to give raises
@@DarkAttack14Well, the people who work for them of course.
No... the real hypocrisy is that they do all that but will vehemently oppose voter ID laws. Like, gee what's more important.... stopping people from cheating you out of a few bucks or stopping people from committing voter fraud and influencing critical legislation.
"They don't have a database of fingerprints"
"In the future when you scan it reads that number"
Yeah, my cat is a dog.
How do you know your cat doesn’t identify as a dog you bigot?
Ever heard of Feline dysphoria???
So... they do have a database of fingerprints then, otherwise that wouldn't work 😂
How do they delete it immediately but simultaneously keep the information for the future to use when you come back to the park and scan your ticket?
They keep the number
Good question - they keep the number but not the scan itself!
@@TheMouselets But how does keeping the number prevent someone else from using that ticket? Am I missing something?
@@TheMouselets How do they attribute the fingerprint to the number, then?
@@adamsdiwhy so, how do they match your fingerprint to the number?
The way this can work, in more depth:
When the program was being developed, a large sample dataset of fingerprints would have been used, possibly in the hundreds of thousands. An algorithm would be implemented to identify patterns within these fingerprints. By analyzing the dataset with this algorithm, patterns would be identified and the number of fingerprints that shared these patterns would be determined. If patterns were found that were present in some, but not all fingerprints, this could be considered a categorizable property. Many properties per fingerprint would be needed, possibly in the hundreds. These properties would then be grouped into 1000 categories. Each fingerprint is then categorized based on which category it shares the most properties with. This allows for the same fingerprint to always receive the same number, even if the scan is not perfect.
Every time a fingerprint is scanned, this calculation is done again. The fingerprint should match to the same category, resulting in the same number every time, without actually storing the fingerprint in a database.
Now, many roads lead to rome, and this is just one of them. There are other ways Disney could be doing this, but if you were unsure of how Disney could accurately match a fingerprint to the same number each time it is scanned without storing the fingerprint, this is one potential method they could be using.
Also, I really wouldn't be worried about Disney lying about storing your fingerprints. Yes, they could be, but it would be a huge risk. If it were to ever get out that they were storing that kind of information (let alone if the data itself was breached) it'd cost them a lot . Like probably a lot more than it could ever be worth. I don't believe they're dumb enough to risk that.
This is the real reason why I don't visit Disneyland.
i was just in Disneyland... there were no fingerprint scanners
@@trevorashman2258 disneyland doesn’t have them but disney world does
seems like a pathetic reason to not visit…also that’s disneyworld not in disneyland
@@imaswiftie07 Disneyland, Disney world..... WGAF, is all under the same umbrella.
@@imaswiftie07Disney is kind of made for inherently pathetic people 😂 you realize that right?
There is a database collecting this information, or none of this would work.
Ah the absolute simping for Disney…sis really said “reading a number” right after she said “no database” 😂😂😂
I mean, wtf do you think they need your fingerprints for? Do you really think you are that important? There are ready several companies that actually share your personal data BLATANTLY so why tf do you think a damn fingerprint would be "sold" by Disney?
@@TOBY-jy7bz LOL why are you so triggered? I only pointed out that they do store info on their database, I didn't even mention the alleged selling of fingerprints. Do you work for Disney or something? 😂😂😂
There is a difference between holding the fingerprint data and the number.
If what has been described in the video is true disney has some system for converting a fingerprint scan to a number from 1 to 1000 and since there are way more than 1000 fingerprints the process is not reversible. That means that if Disney only stores the number they can’t reverse the process to get your fingerprints. All they really can do is associate you with the number which should be the same every time you scan.
This is a very basic example of how password encryption works on the internet with a couple slight differences but ultimately both rely on irreversible deterministic processes
@@aparna2701 You didn't "pointed it out" nothing you just made an assumption with no logic behind it. "Deleting it right after" might as well just mean deleting it after getting out of the park. I am just tired of people thinking everything is a conspiracy
@@aparna2701 You didn't mentioned but what else could you be possibly implying if not making profit from it? Do you think they jerk off looking at somebody else's finger prints?
Good informative video. I will make sure to never go to Disneyland.
LOL
Right iv never been don't want to know
@@igniousdeath.23 it sucks. Over hyped AF. You have to have a consoomer brain to enjoy it otherwise it just feels like you are paying for the privilege to enjoy Disney™ official merchandise and properties®
They’re testing to see if your a Disney adult and pay them extra
It's not technically. It's just generating a random number hash but it's not a 1-1 match with any identifying info. It just says the person who uses this card has a fingerprint that matches a number. It's fairly anonymous tbh if it actually works that way.
Disney absolutely tracks you in the parks. They use the Magic Band and the My Disney Experience app to track your movements to help predict wait times. It's also used to see where crowd levels are in each park and while on property. Oh, your fingerprints are deleted but not until your tickets/annual pass expire.
Back in my day we didn't have to scan our fingers when visiting Disney World.
Feels like they could do this in an entirely different way. I feel like there's another reason they do this
It’s so people don’t buy a park hopper pass and then split it between two people
You can never delete a digital footprint… Disney got all the data now
They don’t even bother to store the whole print, just tiny subsections of it. From what I understand it looks for certain common subpatterns in fingerprints and use the relative positions of those to generate the number.
Yes you can, quite easily in fact. Its only after its downloaded off site does the data become trickier to identity as truly gone.
@@TheDarkMaster312 Nope; once you send something, assume it's staying forever. You don't know what their servers are doing...
"Disney deletes it right after the scan" -Disney
Definitely what Disney's representatives would say
They don’t delete it. If you are a pass-holder, it scans your finger once and then you get in. It’s to make sure you don’t steal another band. Although when you get a new one you need a new fingerprint. Hope this clears this up!
edit: I said yo instead of to
You don’t need a new finger print with a new band. The finger print is connected to the account the band is registered to. So the new band is already configured
When I was a kid, tickets were tickets if you still had days on it you could give it to someone else.
Imagine someone without hands or feet coming to the park that doesn’t have an ID 😭
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"Disney does ablism"
They take a picture of you if your fingerprint doesn't work or you can't provide one
Explanation as to why there is no database of the fingerprint:
They use your fingerprint to generate a hash, which you can think of as a # that can only be derived using your fingerprint. Now this hash will be matched to your card, and boom, you can now verify that this is your card via fingerprint.
The important bit: storing the hash (which they delete after you leave) is NOT the same as storing your fingerprint. The hash contains no information about your fingerprint; you cannot, for example, generate a model of the fingerprint from the hash.
The reason for this is some pretty complicated math, but basically, some information is intentionally lost when making the hash; so you cannot use the hash to figure out the original. Literally impossible to do so.
It really depends on what hashing algorithm they used. If they really don't care about security they could have used sha1 which has been broken
@@notmitenidt that really matters, it sounds like they’re mapping a totally unique finger print to a finite set of numbers, like I can’t take the number 732 and reverse engineer it into my own fingerprint. Sounds like they’re basing it off of the idea of two factor auth where it’s way less likely that you’re going to have
1: stolen the device
2: share the same hash as another person
I don’t really know how I feel about it either way and I think they could figure out two factor some other way, but idt the algorithm is that important if they’re deleting the fingerprint like she said (though I’m not saying they do lol)
yeah right 😂 I'm using id
Is it that hard to make a fake ID? Lol
@@MrSpeeed515 ?
Then don’t go. I’m sure Disney having your finger print is soo terrible. It’s not like you carry around a mobile devise that scans your entire face, listens to your conversations, and tracks you. Hah, never. Y’all are so ignorant I stg.
"They don't track you around the park" 😂 Girl, you are oblivious.
Their looking for who is Mickey's father, as hes wanted by the FBI.
Spoken like a true employee of a megacorp.