I get it Griffith can be creepy but he's a very wholesome boy and a comfort character for many of us fans you'll eventually understand and his wholesomeness will eclipse your suspicions But maybe not as he is a complex character so you might end up with a different view on him
I think the reason Griffith chose Guts for the assassination is because he's the only one that would kill someone for him while not changing how he sees him. Casca, despite idolizing Griffith, wouldn't be able to assassinate someone. On the battlefield she would kill for him all day but to kill someone unarmed, unaware and with a child in the mix I don't see her being able to go through with it. The members of the Hawk, despite being mercenaries, are closer to being soldiers rather than killers. Guts on the other hand is much closer to killer than soldier.
@@booksandtropes also, our knowledge of the night is skewed by our modern electric lights and movies where night scenes are light up so we can see. Real night with only stars light is a lot darker that what we imagine.
That scene where Guts killed that kid and his father is honestly one of my fav moments with his character The only times Guts really killed anyone was during battle so he always had the adrenaline of fighting inside him which probably ensured he never really thought about the actual death he had to impart But now he stared death straight in the face without that adrenaline of battle. And he felt it hard
Guts and Casca in the cave is the inverse of their first interaction when she had to provide body heat for him after he was injured in his duel with Griffin.
Miura is such a good writer in so many ways that he can completely show his hand, but still has everyone falling for Griffith even if we know better, as his otherworldly charisma just jumps off the page. The Behelit is almost literally plot armor. It's like Zodd came across a hashtag that said "MainCharacter," on Griffith and realized all this nonsense was above his pay grade. Love that on his way out he was like "Guts you're cool, but your buddy is going to 100% kill you," and that was it.
I cant overstate how happy I am to see you reading Berserk. while golden age is widely known as one of the best arcs in animanga, what comes after is most definitely not a drop in quality, still loads on loads of what you look for in a story. don't take not being caught up for granted enjoy it while you can 😭
One thing I always appreciate about Guts is that despite being a bit of a meathead and only thinking about battle(which is fair, he isn't exactly educated in anything other than war) he never gets upset at getting criticised and actually contemplates it. Especially when it comes from Corkus who is a quite abrasive. Of course he'll shoot back when he feels it's unfair but most of the time he seems to appreciate it.
You glossed over one of my favorite parts of the whole story, but it’s okay because I have a very different perspective because I’ve read the story over 5 times. Lol
Berserk has so many beautiful pages 😭😭 I've read the whole manga multiple times just to try to fully appreciate the artwork and it always seems like I need do it again. Seriously, take your time reading this masterpiece. You wont be able to read it for the first time twice 😂
Enjoying the reviews. Careful with reading these witty comments, spoilers are everywhere. I'm glad you're enjoying this series this early on. Also, I really like Berserk's artstyle & paneling. The contrast of black & white is really what makes Miura's art pop. And the paneling treatment is masterfully done, you can tell that some moments are given more significance when it gets a full-page treatment, or even a double-spread.
There’s another layer to Griffith’s little assassination plot that isn’t explicitly mentioned, like a lot of details in this story, but is very easily inferred with a little bit of additional context. Midlands Royal Family, as of when the Band of the Hawk was formally inducted into the military via Griffith’s knighthood, consists of the King, his only child, Princess Charlotte, the King’s brother, Count Julius, and Julius’s son, Adonis. It’s astoundingly clear that Griffith intends to gain claim to the throne via Charlotte, that much is obvious, but there’s one little complication to that plan: Charlotte is at the very end of the present line of succession. More specifically, to the wondrousness of institutionalised misogyny within the nobility, in the event that the King died or adjudicated the throne, the immediate successor would be Julius, followed by any of his male heirs, namely Adonis. Thus, taking this into account, when re-reading the scene where Griffith hears that not just Julius died as planned, but poor little Adonis as well, his elation makes a hell of a lot more sense, because suddenly Charlotte’s value relative to the crown just shot into the exosphere, and he had her on lock.
Oh damn, I was working on game of thrones logic where the child (charlotte) would come before the kings brother regardless of gender. But even if that was the case given her age someone could easily say Julius should rule in her place and then eventually usurp the thrown… this plan removes that risk entirely! THIS IS WHY I DONT TRUST GRIFFITH! HE PROBABLY TOLD THE SON TO GO TO HIS FATHER THAT NIGHT 😭😭😭
Huh, I actually didn’t think of Julius potentially using regency as a path to the top, I just operated on the natural assumption that Midland was, as it has consistently been depicted across the narrative, a standard Dark Ages era civilisation (or more accurately, extremely analogous to one), and was thus beholden to the standard cultural practices and norms present at the time relative to lines of succession and women’s places within such lineages. That being said, regardless of the underlying politics that may have led to Julius taking the crown, his and Adonis’s removal from the chess board is an immense boon to Griffith, disposing an immediate threat to his plans, alongside potential future threats to his ascendancy to the throne he so coverts.
@@EthanFazel I’m not sure of what erra of history this draws on but I can’t think of an example where an uncle would inherit the thrown over a legitimate child (regardless of gender) without first having to discredits the child’s claim But agreed, it was a threat and possibly for Griffith. So better to eliminate that risk
The sexual stuff with Casca is a common complaint and yeah I think it can be a little overdone at times. Probably what most people find objectively could be argued is the biggest issue with the story. But as you mentioned in a setting like this. Its completely realistic that this kind of stuff would happen. So it's definitely not anything that contradicts Miura's world or setup.
I think you should know that Guts and Griffth some aspect of their relationship is inspired by Miura and his best friend MORI Kouji wish also a mangaka
Future Guts (ie. Black swordsman Guts) would have much less of an issue with Zodd, but I think he's still out matched. Zodd is definitely well above the average apostle, very few who have a chance agaist him.
IIRC Muira has publicly said that he regrets using sexual assault as a plot device as often as he did in the early parts of the story and there is one mini-arc you'll get to fairly soon where it does genuinely become too much. It's not as prominent in later parts but ofc it's still present. Kinda has to be when it's a defining aspect of the main character's life. And to be fair he was also just 25 when he wrote this part and subtlety is not his strong suit, sexual assault is certainly an effective way of getting the reader to hate someone real quick. Mind you i would ofc have liked for there to be less of it but i'm also not exactly surprised that it'd be a young author's go-to "this person is terrible"-tool.
Should be said that nosferatu means immortal. Zodd has been on battlefields for 100 or 300 (I wanna say 100) years. I don't remember. He'd have to be immortal to be able to fight all that time. There's a golden age movie trilogy. (Which later became the memorial edition) guts used a normal sword for the assassination. One change I really like for the exact reasons you've said.
About the violence against women and children in this series, I think Miura did not want to pull the punches. I mean, the setting was in fictional medieval Europe. So from what I see, Miura wanted to depict as raw as possible the condition and the mindset of the people from that era in his story. Of course it was upsetting and very uncomfortable, but it was medieval Europe as we knew.
Agreed, I’m all for not pulling any punches and I’d expect it’s inclusion given the setting I’m just nervous it will become a repetitive theme…. But at this point I completely trust him with the story, so I’m not actually worried about it :)
@@booksandtropesi think it's completely fair if you do have issues with it Many do It's a sensitive issue in the fandom but also common among some new readers I can only say that around halfway point the series stops using SA and it goes away almost completely But the road gonna be rough getting there
Tbh I have to disagree with this. The portrayal of SA is actually my biggest problem with Berserk. For one thing, the argument that the Middle Ages were full of savagery is just so misleading. The real answer is that we just don't know for sure. It's still disputed among historians how much SA there was on average. The sad truth is that SA is still a major threat to many women and men. But that's not really why I don't like them in Berserk. It's the way how it’s portrayed to us. In the few cases where we see SA against men, it's always something deeply traumatic for the victim, with Guts being the most prominent victim, while SA against women and children is mostly used as "world building" and for shock factor. Yes, there are exceptions, but compared to men, where any SA is deeply interwoven into their character development, this is rarely the case with women. Just look at Guts SA panels and take any other SA of a woman and compare the imagery.
@@Flammewar that’s unfortunate, I’ll have to see how it’s used going forward. My biggest fear is it not being presented as a terrible thing and only being used because of the setting :( (Also agree, historians debate how frequent assaults were but in war times I’d assume it’s on the higher side 😞 )
@@booksandtropesSince it's relevant to this discussion it's worth noting how Miura openly discussed how using so much sexual violence throughout the early-mid series was one of his largest regrets. He started the series as a young man in the 1980s (IIRC, maybe 90s?)...a different person in a different time (not to justify it, but to contextualize it.)
In the quote at the beginning you read it's not "at least is it true that man..." it's "at least, IT IS true that man..." does not have free will. Pretty big distinction here, the narrator basically saying that fate/destiny exists in this world, there is no free will, everything is fated and man has no control over his own destiny. And of course it's showing the behelit for that narration. The stuff about the sword though is something else, not sure what it exactly means off the top of my head.
I feel like you’re in Canada for some reason, but if your not I know most of the deluxe volumes are on sale for usually under 40-35 on Amazon and apparently Barnes and noble does a half off handbook manga after Christmas
idk why you're so suspicious of Griffith?! He's clearly an upright guy who knows how to play the game of thrones. As for why he picked Gutts I agree he seems like the worst choice but he's the one Griffith trusts to not fail.
griffith the most wholesome person you've ever met
Till the eclipse
i love him so much, he can do no wrong
@@robertf.atrozskin3596he even foreshadows he likes doing things by force. I wonder what would have happened if guts never left
I get it Griffith can be creepy but he's a very wholesome boy and a comfort character for many of us fans you'll eventually understand and his wholesomeness will eclipse your suspicions
But maybe not as he is a complex character so you might end up with a different view on him
You're on thin ice.
Griffith is like the exact opposite of wholesome lol
😐
@@alexfielding7191 😂
help me
Do not anticipate what is Griffith going to do. Just don't! Because how well prepared you are. It won't work
Just let her read and find out berserk fans always trying to spoil lol
I think the reason Griffith chose Guts for the assassination is because he's the only one that would kill someone for him while not changing how he sees him. Casca, despite idolizing Griffith, wouldn't be able to assassinate someone. On the battlefield she would kill for him all day but to kill someone unarmed, unaware and with a child in the mix I don't see her being able to go through with it. The members of the Hawk, despite being mercenaries, are closer to being soldiers rather than killers. Guts on the other hand is much closer to killer than soldier.
A very good point 👍
@@booksandtropes also, our knowledge of the night is skewed by our modern electric lights and movies where night scenes are light up so we can see. Real night with only stars light is a lot darker that what we imagine.
Glad you are enjoying it. The Golden Age arc is one of the best told stories ever, imo.
Wet clothes in a survival situation can kill you. It doesn't have to be freezing to get hypothermia
That scene where Guts killed that kid and his father is honestly one of my fav moments with his character
The only times Guts really killed anyone was during battle so he always had the adrenaline of fighting inside him which probably ensured he never really thought about the actual death he had to impart
But now he stared death straight in the face without that adrenaline of battle. And he felt it hard
Guts and Casca in the cave is the inverse of their first interaction when she had to provide body heat for him after he was injured in his duel with Griffin.
Miura is such a good writer in so many ways that he can completely show his hand, but still has everyone falling for Griffith even if we know better, as his otherworldly charisma just jumps off the page. The Behelit is almost literally plot armor. It's like Zodd came across a hashtag that said "MainCharacter," on Griffith and realized all this nonsense was above his pay grade. Love that on his way out he was like "Guts you're cool, but your buddy is going to 100% kill you," and that was it.
I cant overstate how happy I am to see you reading Berserk. while golden age is widely known as one of the best arcs in animanga, what comes after is most definitely not a drop in quality, still loads on loads of what you look for in a story. don't take not being caught up for granted enjoy it while you can 😭
One thing I always appreciate about Guts is that despite being a bit of a meathead and only thinking about battle(which is fair, he isn't exactly educated in anything other than war) he never gets upset at getting criticised and actually contemplates it. Especially when it comes from Corkus who is a quite abrasive. Of course he'll shoot back when he feels it's unfair but most of the time he seems to appreciate it.
Loving the berserk videos keep them coming
You glossed over one of my favorite parts of the whole story, but it’s okay because I have a very different perspective because I’ve read the story over 5 times. Lol
The Golden Age arc is one of the best arc in all manga!
Berserk has so many beautiful pages 😭😭 I've read the whole manga multiple times just to try to fully appreciate the artwork and it always seems like I need do it again.
Seriously, take your time reading this masterpiece. You wont be able to read it for the first time twice 😂
I’ll never get tired of “I can’t trust this man” 😂
I love that you keep repeating yourself “I don’t trust him” lol I forgot not to trust him and got heartbroken
Enjoying the reviews. Careful with reading these witty comments, spoilers are everywhere. I'm glad you're enjoying this series this early on. Also, I really like Berserk's artstyle & paneling. The contrast of black & white is really what makes Miura's art pop. And the paneling treatment is masterfully done, you can tell that some moments are given more significance when it gets a full-page treatment, or even a double-spread.
There’s another layer to Griffith’s little assassination plot that isn’t explicitly mentioned, like a lot of details in this story, but is very easily inferred with a little bit of additional context.
Midlands Royal Family, as of when the Band of the Hawk was formally inducted into the military via Griffith’s knighthood, consists of the King, his only child, Princess Charlotte, the King’s brother, Count Julius, and Julius’s son, Adonis. It’s astoundingly clear that Griffith intends to gain claim to the throne via Charlotte, that much is obvious, but there’s one little complication to that plan: Charlotte is at the very end of the present line of succession. More specifically, to the wondrousness of institutionalised misogyny within the nobility, in the event that the King died or adjudicated the throne, the immediate successor would be Julius, followed by any of his male heirs, namely Adonis. Thus, taking this into account, when re-reading the scene where Griffith hears that not just Julius died as planned, but poor little Adonis as well, his elation makes a hell of a lot more sense, because suddenly Charlotte’s value relative to the crown just shot into the exosphere, and he had her on lock.
Oh damn, I was working on game of thrones logic where the child (charlotte) would come before the kings brother regardless of gender.
But even if that was the case given her age someone could easily say Julius should rule in her place and then eventually usurp the thrown… this plan removes that risk entirely!
THIS IS WHY I DONT TRUST GRIFFITH! HE PROBABLY TOLD THE SON TO GO TO HIS FATHER THAT NIGHT 😭😭😭
Huh, I actually didn’t think of Julius potentially using regency as a path to the top, I just operated on the natural assumption that Midland was, as it has consistently been depicted across the narrative, a standard Dark Ages era civilisation (or more accurately, extremely analogous to one), and was thus beholden to the standard cultural practices and norms present at the time relative to lines of succession and women’s places within such lineages. That being said, regardless of the underlying politics that may have led to Julius taking the crown, his and Adonis’s removal from the chess board is an immense boon to Griffith, disposing an immediate threat to his plans, alongside potential future threats to his ascendancy to the throne he so coverts.
@@EthanFazel I’m not sure of what erra of history this draws on but I can’t think of an example where an uncle would inherit the thrown over a legitimate child (regardless of gender) without first having to discredits the child’s claim
But agreed, it was a threat and possibly for Griffith. So better to eliminate that risk
Eh misogyny isnt accurate , well in the manga i mean. The age it is based off of , in the west , yes.
Guts: barking
Griffith:bad dog!
Guts:puppy eyes!
I found your video just juts after buying vol 1 and I thought it perfect time to buy the whole series just to experience with you
I ordered vol 1 of the deluxe edition for myself for christmas. So excited!
Also the fact that it was on sale helped 😅😅
Sales are the best! That's why I bought the first volume too! :)
The sexual stuff with Casca is a common complaint and yeah I think it can be a little overdone at times. Probably what most people find objectively could be argued is the biggest issue with the story. But as you mentioned in a setting like this. Its completely realistic that this kind of stuff would happen. So it's definitely not anything that contradicts Miura's world or setup.
Love your thoughts on this series, can’t wait for the next one!
I think you should know that Guts and Griffth some aspect of their relationship is inspired by Miura and his best friend MORI Kouji wish also a mangaka
Easy way to say behelit is "bay-lit"
that helps! thanks :)
Griffith my spirit animal
this is the greatest manga of all time. Cant wait for your volume 13 reaction!!!!
Thank you for talking about berserk.
I'm a japanese. I hope you continue to read and enjoy it.
Berserk=ベルセルク!!
Future Guts (ie. Black swordsman Guts) would have much less of an issue with Zodd, but I think he's still out matched.
Zodd is definitely well above the average apostle, very few who have a chance agaist him.
IIRC Muira has publicly said that he regrets using sexual assault as a plot device as often as he did in the early parts of the story and there is one mini-arc you'll get to fairly soon where it does genuinely become too much. It's not as prominent in later parts but ofc it's still present. Kinda has to be when it's a defining aspect of the main character's life. And to be fair he was also just 25 when he wrote this part and subtlety is not his strong suit, sexual assault is certainly an effective way of getting the reader to hate someone real quick. Mind you i would ofc have liked for there to be less of it but i'm also not exactly surprised that it'd be a young author's go-to "this person is terrible"-tool.
Even without knowing the events of the Blackswordsman arc, one'd recognize how sus Griffiths is xD
Great reviews 😄 its so much fun to watch people react/review berserk. im gonna be here for the whole ride 👍👍😁😁
Guts as assasin like rather send a sniper you send a tank lol and yes! one of little lew point in the story
Please continue! I'm loving your videos and would love to see you continue this series!
I will, I got the next part filmed and should post it in a few days :)
My co worker grew up kickboxing so being a fellow gym rat i asked her if it was legit and she said yeah so it was good enough for me
Should be said that nosferatu means immortal. Zodd has been on battlefields for 100 or 300 (I wanna say 100) years. I don't remember. He'd have to be immortal to be able to fight all that time.
There's a golden age movie trilogy. (Which later became the memorial edition) guts used a normal sword for the assassination. One change I really like for the exact reasons you've said.
Suffice to say the volumes will fly by and so will the reviews but I do hope you enjoy your holidays.
I’m hooked please keep em videos coming
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Makes me wonder how an interaction between Kuina from One Piece and Casca would go.
Would
About the violence against women and children in this series, I think Miura did not want to pull the punches. I mean, the setting was in fictional medieval Europe. So from what I see, Miura wanted to depict as raw as possible the condition and the mindset of the people from that era in his story. Of course it was upsetting and very uncomfortable, but it was medieval Europe as we knew.
Agreed, I’m all for not pulling any punches and I’d expect it’s inclusion given the setting
I’m just nervous it will become a repetitive theme…. But at this point I completely trust him with the story, so I’m not actually worried about it :)
@@booksandtropesi think it's completely fair if you do have issues with it
Many do
It's a sensitive issue in the fandom but also common among some new readers
I can only say that around halfway point the series stops using SA and it goes away almost completely
But the road gonna be rough getting there
Tbh I have to disagree with this. The portrayal of SA is actually my biggest problem with Berserk.
For one thing, the argument that the Middle Ages were full of savagery is just so misleading. The real answer is that we just don't know for sure. It's still disputed among historians how much SA there was on average. The sad truth is that SA is still a major threat to many women and men. But that's not really why I don't like them in Berserk. It's the way how it’s portrayed to us.
In the few cases where we see SA against men, it's always something deeply traumatic for the victim, with Guts being the most prominent victim, while SA against women and children is mostly used as "world building" and for shock factor. Yes, there are exceptions, but compared to men, where any SA is deeply interwoven into their character development, this is rarely the case with women. Just look at Guts SA panels and take any other SA of a woman and compare the imagery.
@@Flammewar that’s unfortunate, I’ll have to see how it’s used going forward. My biggest fear is it not being presented as a terrible thing and only being used because of the setting :(
(Also agree, historians debate how frequent assaults were but in war times I’d assume it’s on the higher side 😞 )
@@booksandtropesSince it's relevant to this discussion it's worth noting how Miura openly discussed how using so much sexual violence throughout the early-mid series was one of his largest regrets. He started the series as a young man in the 1980s (IIRC, maybe 90s?)...a different person in a different time (not to justify it, but to contextualize it.)
In the quote at the beginning you read it's not "at least is it true that man..." it's "at least, IT IS true that man..." does not have free will. Pretty big distinction here, the narrator basically saying that fate/destiny exists in this world, there is no free will, everything is fated and man has no control over his own destiny. And of course it's showing the behelit for that narration.
The stuff about the sword though is something else, not sure what it exactly means off the top of my head.
Kneel before Zod
Eyo I'm here to join thus journey
You will be reunited with Puck soon enough. And eithers will join as well.
I feel like you’re in Canada for some reason, but if your not I know most of the deluxe volumes are on sale for usually under 40-35 on Amazon and apparently Barnes and noble does a half off handbook manga after Christmas
Yes Canadian,
They aren’t on sale on Amazon.ca at the moment but I’ll definitely keep checking :)
Did we skip over the 100 Man Slayer &, the Bonfire of Dreams? I went on to the next video and it seems there was no mention of either :(
LESSS GOOO
Just trust him Jessica, Griffith did nothing wrong.
Griffith is maybe a little bit needy and ambitious, but he has only good intentions.
Rickert's hand disagrees.
You don’t know what that quote means? Well have u heard about…….. causality? >:)
Griffith did nothing wrong. Guts just needs to man up 😊
Griffith did nothing wrong (yet)
I keep hearing this! and it makes me not trust him more!
I don't know what he could possibly do and how bad it could be 😂
No natter what happens. Griffith did nothing wrong.
I see this a lot.... and I can't wait to get caught up so I can understand lol
He did EVERYTHING wrong
idk why you're so suspicious of Griffith?! He's clearly an upright guy who knows how to play the game of thrones. As for why he picked Gutts I agree he seems like the worst choice but he's the one Griffith trusts to not fail.
Very expensive books huh?
Looks like you need to
*sacrifice* your wallet
God, I hate Griffith so, so much.
Cool shirt bro
it says polka will never die! 😬
@@booksandtropesOh lol, how did I not recognize that iconic moment from Dresden Files. I thought it’s just a cool dino shirt 😂
@@Flammewar me too lmao, tho i still don't know what Dresden Files is 😂