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No!! No!! No!! I want futuristic never before seen alien type xeno's not little water bugs. I read the books imagining them so scary and advanced in spacesuits or mad energy type creatures. Apart from that I absolutely love these series and books. Cheers Paul.👍🏽 Big ups Def.💯👊🏾
This is by far the hardest thing not to say to my brother, he stopped after book 2 and i have read them all. It's something that lingers when he talks through his thoughts about the show and its so hard not to blurt that the main series doesn't give a physical description
I feel the need to point out "Trisolarans" is pretty much a simple translation of "San-Ti." And I don't see why the San-Ti would feel bad about their size. They are a highly advanced technological species, and their size has allowed them to survive. Sounds like projecting human attitudes onto someone else. I don't think The Dark Forest makes much sense. Among other things it presumes no friendly contact between different civilizations EVER, that everyone sooner or later begins thinking in terms of resources which will take billions of years to use up to the degree they fear homicidal terror at "losing" this race for resources, that entire civilizations (pretty much all of them) will act with total uniformity and without effective active dissent vis-a-vis genocide forever, that all civilizations in fact demand growth at all costs (there have been human civilizations that absolutely rejected this, and I mean long-lasting major ones), etc.
So the problem is -and the cool worlds channel gets into this - while there may be a lot of rocky like planets in the so called habital zone there's only a couple of suns that are "quiet" enough in the milky way to be favorable on said rocky planet to be conducive to form life. Do find the excellent "Cool Worlds" channel!!
Douglas Adams had an anecdote with a similar premise: a vast armada of hostile aliens were heading for Earth on a centuries long journey . When they arrived and began the invasion, due to a massive miscalculation of scale, the entire fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
Yeah, good comedy. Hence why it would be so silly and laughable if they actually introduce such tiny bug aliens in the show, LOL! It would completely change the tone for me.
Agreed. Quinns Idea's channel is amazing. I just found it, while looking for info on this show and I was blown away by how great his content is on the books, the show, as well as other Sci-fi stuff like DUNE
The Fermi paradox is utter bullshit. We've effectively observed the cosmos in a radius of 50 light years. It's like scooping up a bucket of seawater and concluding there are no fish in the ocean.
Except, it would be like scooping up that bucket to see no life at all, fish had to evolve from something. If life is not unique to Earth, then there should be some within 50 light years. I think you are seriously downplaying how "little" we've observed so far, in the context of the size of our universe, we haven't seen anything, but in the context of searching life, we've seen a lot.
@@cernstormrunner7263 I think it's an open admission that they see their physical form as inferior. What they achieved as a species is remarkable and borderline impossible in a system like that, but physically they're weak and easily destroyed
I thought it was kinda lame. I understand they don’t want us to see them just yet but come on, we wouldn’t like it is the reason? They’re literally on their way to conquer us😂
Glad to see the crossover of Quinn fans here excited for the shout out. Found him after watching Dune and helping me get immersed into that world as well.
@@romixfox4287 in the scene when is is speaking to “Lord” he tells them the people that oppose there cult are pests. I’m not completely sure on the actual wording. It is also when they say they are scared of us because we can lie after the he read them little red riding hood.
I believe at one point in the main books they are described as having glass-like see through bodies that are moldable and allow you to literally see their thoughts. Combine that with the spin off description, as being tiny and bug like creatures that can dehydrate at will, you have a pretty decent idea.
if they were actually bug sized, the conflict between us and them would make no sense, as it would be pretty much irrelevant in terms of inter-specific competition.
@@mikelampt2418not true, unless you're a species that reproduces via binary fission🤣. Look up "bottlenecks" r/t extinction events...usually doesn't end well. Which is why historically, women weren't sent off to war
Only for a thought experiment, via natural selection the with the chaotic environment they survived it was no longer they advanced technically to the harsh conditions. Imagine a cockroaches that were just a little smarter than the rest survive in which they would communicate and build elaborate and complex structures to survive the heat. Termites already have developed a primitive form of air conditioning based on building design in which we have modeled.
Your shoutout for Quinn’s Ideas channel is a great reflection on your own channel - which I also watch loyally! Keep the vids coming and best wishes for your TH-cam success and DadLife(TM) ;)
1. They need to "rehydrate" to be awaken from a dormant state 2. They have a hive mind "if one survives, we all survive..." which also explains why every new cycle, they start out more advanced than their previous cycle. 3. Bugs have been a theme this entire first season Conclusion: The aliens look like actual BUGS, only highly evolved 'bugs' who have similar features as the bugs on earth. And because of the hive mind, if only one alien survives, they all survive in that actual sense because they are one hive mind. What annoyed me a bit, was when Evans was reading a fairy tale and other stories to the aliens, as if he's been doing this all along and only "now" they started to ask questions? Didn't the "Sophons" (their spies) not see that humanity lies constantly and shouldn't been a surprise for them when Evans revealed humans could lie...? With every confict going on on the planet and so much more...? The "hive mind" shoudn't be like human civilizations, but it should have been a "culture shock" once their Sophons arrived on earth, but instead they already knew "how" humanity was, but not yet knew they deceived eachother? Hard to believe...
They aren’t actually a Hive Mind. They just communicate via showing their thoughts as light. They also can’t read thoughts, wich is why they jsut assumed that when a human says one thing and does another, they just changed their mind. Not to mention the Sophons aren’t actually omnipresent. They jsut swoosh around between important sites, they aren’t listening on in normal people constantly.
The 3-Body TV series likely accelerated the pace and condensed the plot, making it seem as though Sophon had been on Earth for an extended period, rather than just arriving a month prior to the scientists' deaths. Moreover, the series introduces a plot hole by portraying Sophon as an overpowering AI without realistic constraints, leaving viewers wondering why it doesn't just solve problems directly.
Also, the fact that the sophons were sabotaging our scientific results long before they found out they couldn’t trust us was also confusing. Maybe I missed something but did the old man/alien sympathizers know they were sabotaging science? If not, that would be the aliens deceiving us which supposedly they’re afraid of
@@putty-e2872yea, I wondered why the sophons couldn’t stop kill people directly since they’re literally intelligent particles. They could cause devastation if they really wanted to. Wipe out humanity by hacking into nuclear bases and nuking the world. Most of that nuclear fallout will be gone by the time they arrive. I also wondered if they had technology so crazy that they could program a particle, why can’t they just regulate their planets temperature and even gravity.
Honestly, the scariest part isn't that our solar system is destroyed. It's HOW it's destroyed. Absolutely horrifying and nothing I could've imagined before I read the series.
Great that they are "insect-sized" or even smaller (near microscopic) and consider humans "bugs"... And it makes sense considering the environmental inconsistencies of their planet... Nice that a sci-fi series does something other than paint bipedal humans a different color or add bumps/hair/pointy ears and then call them "aliens".... Anyway, thanks for the nice breakdown as always Paul!!
Thats just a fanfiction that the author complimented. The books imply they’re close to human size - they want to use the buildings and furniture already on Earth.
They weren’t being deceptive. They were doing it but just didn’t say anything. Everything happened right in front of scientists eyes but don’t know what is happening which took a while for them to catch on. Also how can we expect them to announce they are there when that is just our understanding of what an intelligent species would do if they don’t know deception.
@@shinbi6009 Exactly. Deceiving would have been leading us to the wrong answers rather than our sabotage. Much worse, we wouldn't even know it was happening.
I think deception. The sofons are not part of our current scientific paradigm. So to me, them using the sofons to change the sky and the collider readings “leans” toward being deceitful. The sky and readings are false imagery….they are liars who don’t like liars 🤔
I was talking about cockroaches the other day. I've never actually seen one myself but apparently they are really hard to kill perfectly adapted for survival. And they stink according to my elderly parents.
Was able to meet him back in July 2019 at Con of thrones . He is the most kind hearted and positive person! If you go to his channel he has amazing indepth break downs of the series!
Quinn is the best! I’ve found so much good sci-fi content through his channel. His TBP stuff is awesome, and so are his Dune videos. It always bums me out that the TH-cam algorithm does such a poor job of surfacing such awesome creators.
"Begrudgingly" cosigned would be a more accurate interpretation of how this "spin-off" book was received by the original author. Enthusiastic? Excited? Happy to do so? Nope, couldnt use any of those terms 🤷🏽♂
I’m so thankful you’ve read the books! It’s my favorite science fiction series. I kinda hope you do a breakdown on HOW much Will buying Jin the Star goes to payoff in the future. That scene had me in literally tears 😭 Will was my favorite, besides Jack/Sam. Also, have you been listening to the official podcast? It’s such a nice bonus.
Should I try the books? I’m so tempted but I thought I heard there was issues with the translation? Maybe that person was wrong, hopefully! I was utterly fascinated by season 1 and it reminds me lots of other shows I like. I already know a lot of “spoilers” from future books like what happens with Will, Jin and the star he bought like you mentioned. Even with those spoilers I think I’m gonna try them!
Actually in the Chinese Three body show in the last 2 episodes they are actually shown as humanoid bugs with tentacles like hand and translucent bodies
Perhaps the idea for the Trisolarans was modelled on the G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs from Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy (pub 1979). "Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire (G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs) battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.". 😄
If they are bug-sized, can't they just come to Earth quietly? They don't need to announce their plan to colonize Earth; the whole civilization can live next door, and I probably wouldn't know. 😅😅😅 this is stupid
I smashed the like button BEFORE the smash-joke. Edit: is season two gonna be far in the future with a new cast or set next year with the same faces? Troubled I am.
I hope its the same cast, I really like some of the characters and their story isn't over. That said, we definitely need to see the future battle at some point, maybe towards the end of the show.
Nice to see that you've been watching videos from "Quinn's Ideas." So have I. I actually didn't discover his channel until sometime during my watch of the Netflix show. Basically, during my watch of the show, I found out that it is based on a book series. Went looking for videos on the book series and found "Quinn's Ideas". Saw all the videos he had available on this book series, among others. After finishing the Netflix adaptation, I started watching Quinn's videos about the books. By now, I believe I have watched them all, including his 4.5-hour monster of a compilation video. Incidentally, via Quinn, I found out about the Chinese adaptation called "Three Body". This adaptation is 30 episodes and only consists of the first book in the series. I have been watching it via Amazon Prime, and I am currently on episode 22. Between the Netflix adaptation and the Chinese adaptation by Tencent, I really am wanting the entire book series to show up in live-action, including the book not written by the original author of the series.
Thanks for your Shout-Out to Quinn, he does give very detailed & astute analysis’s on the 3 Body Problem both the books and both the series, Tenent’s (Chinese), & Netflix’s.
Can I just point something out here. Everyone is saying they are bugs. Like tardigrades. They must have some fairly decent size to them to have the physical ability to create ships. And harness the power that they have. Also bugs are pretty resilient things. They would probably survive extreme heat or extreme cold.
How can you possibly come to the conclusion they are small little "bugs" when they clearly talk about the equivalent of mice nibbling at them while dehydrated, causing them to be missing "fingers" or bites out of their sides when rehydrated. This suggests the trisolarans are at least the size of a cat, not a grain of rice as you incorrectly assume.
@@heavyspoilers What I mentioned is IN the books. So it doesn't make sense. You telling me they changed them in later books to be the size of a grain of rice? Because that is contrary to at least book 1.
Yeah I was just gonna suggest Quinn! I love this channel but he really gets into the nitty gritty of the books and comparisons. Those books are also DENSE, I read them and his channel helped a lot.
The Earth has been around for 5-8 billion years... and we only started looking for 60 years or so? That's like you are in the ocean and can't see any fish looking at the surface for one second.
@@didamnesia3575 it might be a shark and it could eat you, or it may be a sardine, and you will eat them. That said, it would not surprise me too much if the government made announcement with in our lifetime that there is contact with another lifeform. Be it a probe, alternative dimension, or communications. The pace of human technological advancement has been exponential the last 80 years, and its hard to believe we didn't get a boost at somepoint(s).
I think the point is if advanced alien civilisations exist wouldn't space be full of radio signals. Radio waves become weaker & weaker the further they travel. Maybe if they are that advanced they don't use radio signals and communicate in a way we don't understand. Maybe on a quantum level a bit like the sophons. Or just as scary there might not be any other advanced aliens out there just simple lifeforms. That's science we just don't know until we find out.
Heard people theorize that they communicated with visual thoughts, and that they have a metallic Shiney skin, so maybe like a cuttlefish with changing skin, but it always displays their true feelings and expresses for them. So lying would be hard if it happens unconsciously
If you got their biology from Redemption of Time, please DISREGARD it. Redemption of Time is nothing but fanfiction by most readers. Cixin Liu had planned to write another book in the 3BP universe, but RoT destroyed any hope of that.
Thanks for the video. This is why I, largely, avoid modern science fiction. I also suspect this is why Hollywood is doing so poorly with film releases lately. Everything is the end of the world / apocrypha. Once, or twice, this is entertaining. But it gets really boring after a while. None of these science fiction authors have it in them to write something new/interesting. For those that care, esoterically speaking, the world is not coming to an end. Apocrypha is always local in nature. The world, and by extension, humanity will do just fine. Doomers aren't just boring... they are dumb. Ultimately most people who give in to this are just using it to excuse their own laziness. Actually making the world a better place takes a lot of work. FWIW, Aaron Cleary has a great book called the "Curse of the Hi IQ" that gets into some of the psychology. I just spent the weekend hanging out with a few billionaires. The positive nature of their vibe was really refreshing. It is just a shame so many, who could do what they do, talk themselves out of it. The world would be a much better place.
I think the most heads up you could give about spoiler is already at the name of the channel! Loved the adding part of the little heart attack tho hahahahha thanks for the content!
What hints? If we want to talk about what Liu Cixin intended, then we must discard 4th book. Then I would say if Trisolarans were that small, their ship sizes would not make sense. Also Yun Tianming having all that room to live (and farm) with them would not make sense eighter. If i remember correctly Trisolaran robots assisted him farming. If they were that small, wouldnt it make sense that their helper robots would be small too?
Okay so a couple things. In the original Chinese book, the aliens are known as the Santi, only in the translated version are they known as the tricelorians. And the aliens were never really described in the original books, it was only in the fan made redemptions of time book that they were described, tho cixin liu did give his blessing on the book so it’s like half cannon. In the show you saw how they made those tiny computers, they first blow the proton to the size of a planet and THEN they create the computer on it, before shrinking it after they are done. So no there’s no evidence still in the show that shows what they look like at all
Goes back to the question in Jurassic Park. “Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should”
The most disturbing part isn't that the solar system is destroyed, but HOW. I probably reread that section 20 times, just to make sure my nightmares would be accurate. 😂
Fyi, your spoiler "warning" is a MASSIVE spoiler dude. Spoiler warning: . . . . . . . . . . "How the san-ti LOSE" !? come on man, i know you can do better lol 😘
Just a non interesting commentary, I loved the series how it been build up, but most importantly the fact that, what happens in the series is actually accurate. Between the revolutution of china in May 66 follow by the red august, under Mao Dzedong, till the very document of the Wouw signal it’s the copy of the original, what show a deep study to be accurate in they use of history to create that fiction. I am a everybody, not academies, but I have learned I big deal because of that series after research like ( Silent spring written in 62 explaining the take of conscience of the destructive power of human to the anvironement with pesticide, and the tragedy of the attempt of silent Rachel Carlson the writer … make some research I have learn a huge deal of very interesting things.
The thing Paul said about three minutes and 20 seconds in... It's offputting. He's basically bashing on us, his audience. I'm starting to understand why other creators don't like him.
So the "Dark Forest" theorem is an extension of Sutekh's supremacism in that he feared other lifeforms advancing beyond the Osirons (him in particular) in intellect and ability and sought to destroy such life preemptively before it became a threat; Sutekh is the ultimate general charged with Osiron security. Similarly, the Daleks are the ultimate xenophobes that seek to reduce the cosmos to a genomic singularity of only one sentient lifeform to exclusion of all others than themselves. I have several difficulties with the Three Body Problem. And the first is: the element of natural selection and environmental adaptation. The series makes assumptions as to the living conditions of the Trisolarens in that they are entirely land animals with no aquatic or subterranean variations of their form; unless their planet's crust and seas are not nearly as deep as ours or offer not mediating shelter from their environmental extremes in Chaotic eras? However, and as an example, terrestrial Tardigrades can survive a plethora of extreme environments and disasters without extermination or even death of single individual"water bears"; if a creature evolved on a planet of extremes they would surely develop a science and then a technology that would be as robust as them? And if the Trisolarens were able to build colony ships, to reach earth in 400 years, they could conceivably devise and fabricate artificial colony environments, removed from their planetary extreme periods, to stabilise their society while remaining within the home solar system or at the very least stay outside of the destructive influence of the tidal forces of their three suns? Secondly, and perhaps it's a cultural thing, I can never get to grips with the solipsism of Ye Wenjie in that she knowingly endangers humanity so selfishly; I understand the writer is making a point about the horrors and lasting psychosis induced by Mao's Cultural Revolution but even then it seems far fetched unless he is writing Ye Wenjie as not really understanding the full scale of the danger she has put her world in - sociopaths rarely see their motives as bad, just lacking in consequential cognition of their actions. Third, the Three Body Problem seems to be obsessed with ownership and money making as even in extremis the surviving humans retain rights to observable Stars named and effectively bought while on earth (when there was an earth) and there's no common good, just a mercantile mindset and selfishness in the survivors to exclusion of all others. Again, is this a cultural idiom that runs as an undercurrent in modern Post Communist China? Or is the writer merely embracing realism that we will slaughter and swindle our own for advantage even in the nadir of humanity? Let's hope the second series of the television adaptation stitches these plot holes together?
There’s no life on other planets. It’s just earth. Yes we are special. Yes there is a god. No there’s no other explanation. Any other explanation just makes you look like an inexperienced child.
the San-Ti Ren can only access each other's thoughts when there is communication (as said from the sophon), which just means that you can choose whether to share thoughts or not, kinda like a light switch
Imagine getting raided by aliens that are nearly as big as a rice corn. Their Sophons are everything they have. To be honest, they are very OP. Still Novels and nothing from Cixin. They might be still something else.
this does not make sense. Brain size implies they can't be that small and have higher function. Unless. Unless they somehow have a hive mind that creates a super mind that coalesces brain power like a supercomputer. otherwise...
This series is funny . In the first episode , they did funeral in Chinese traditional way and worshiped. And, they said we are scientists, we don’t believe God . 😂Lol. Too smelly Chinese in the whole series
I know it's fiction but doesn't it seem implausible that the super intelligent alien race are the size of a grain of sand? On earth, brain size directly correlates with intelligence. Everything else in this series tries it's hardest to engrain the Sci-fi concepts in actual real world science as possible.
I found it fascinating that the character of "Ye Winjie" is brutalized by Mao's cultural revolution, yet is motivated to assist the arrival of a group seeking to do the same to the earth upon arrival. This is analogous to what a regressive political party is attempting in America by enabling Chine's covert subjugation of America.
And all of this started because a few line of answers from a one handed woman. How such an, in her mind at that moment, insignificant individual actions became a catalyst for interstellar war(s), near demise of human race, and later, interdimensional war. A flap of a butterfly wings.
I knew about the 4th book and its description of the trisolarans. however I chose to ignore it since it kind of destroys much of the premise of the original trilogy if it were considered true canon.. because I see no way the humans and the trisolarans would actually come into conflict if their size was that different from one another.. if a single trisolaran took up that little space, and I assume that few resources, we could just become symbiotic as species instead of having to wipe each other out like in the books.
The reason "Dark Forest" is so much nonsense, is because resources as understood by lesser civilizations are not as "finite" as those civilizations would believe compared to truly intergalactic and even interworld traveling civilizations. Water, food, and other material needs would have to be situated, planned, and in basic near abundance prior to that galactic and interworld expansion. Basically, most of the problems single planet civilizations have experiences, would most likely need to be solved prior to galactic expanse. At the very least, that sort of expansion would have to be supported by technology and understanding that would allow for itself. It's entirely illogical to think that intergallactic species would ever do something like this, but it does make for some good scifi drama.
Ahh, so I was right in assuming that this sci-fi show would just be another anti-human garbage show where "evil wins", humanity is destroyed, aliens wipe us out or something. Just depressing and pointless overall, but that is appearantly the only kind of sci-fi they are able to put out these days. Also, if they introduce these little bug bears as the aliens in the show, it's going to be some serious LOL-material... That is just so silly and laughable. At this point, when they do find out what they really are like, it should unite humanity instantly because it would be so obvious we could easily defeat them.
ome on, if they are micro size, they would not be traveling across space and time on 1000 ships..... and if they were microns, they would see us as a threat.
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No!! No!! No!! I want futuristic never before seen alien type xeno's not little water bugs. I read the books imagining them so scary and advanced in spacesuits or mad energy type creatures. Apart from that I absolutely love these series and books. Cheers Paul.👍🏽
Big ups Def.💯👊🏾
Also Quinns ideas is the absolute first place to go for sci-fi and especially Dune and 3body.
This is by far the hardest thing not to say to my brother, he stopped after book 2 and i have read them all. It's something that lingers when he talks through his thoughts about the show and its so hard not to blurt that the main series doesn't give a physical description
Thanks for shouting out Quinn. ❤
I feel the need to point out "Trisolarans" is pretty much a simple translation of "San-Ti."
And I don't see why the San-Ti would feel bad about their size. They are a highly advanced technological species, and their size has allowed them to survive. Sounds like projecting human attitudes onto someone else.
I don't think The Dark Forest makes much sense. Among other things it presumes no friendly contact between different civilizations EVER, that everyone sooner or later begins thinking in terms of resources which will take billions of years to use up to the degree they fear homicidal terror at "losing" this race for resources, that entire civilizations (pretty much all of them) will act with total uniformity and without effective active dissent vis-a-vis genocide forever, that all civilizations in fact demand growth at all costs (there have been human civilizations that absolutely rejected this, and I mean long-lasting major ones), etc.
Also, I love Quinn’s Ideas. He’s been my go to source for Science Fiction for 3+ years & the sole reason I got into this incredible series of books!
Yeah guys channel is amazing
Same, dude works his tale off and is worth the watch
Yea he be og syfi
Such a great dude to spend time with, everyone subscribe to Quinn
Yeah that dude puts out really great vids. He's rad.
Quinn is awesome for sure. Love his breakdowns
Scorched earth tactic. Threaten the trisolarans with the destruction of earth if they do not turn back.
Go read the next book. or listen to it.
Is anybody think that maybe the humans in the show were tricked into thinking they lost a head in space??
So the problem is -and the cool worlds channel gets into this - while there may be a lot of rocky like planets in the so called habital zone there's only a couple of suns that are "quiet" enough in the milky way to be favorable on said rocky planet to be conducive to form life. Do find the excellent "Cool Worlds" channel!!
Douglas Adams had an anecdote with a similar premise: a vast armada of hostile aliens were heading for Earth on a centuries long journey . When they arrived and began the invasion, due to a massive miscalculation of scale, the entire fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
Love that little bit from the novel. Big fan of the whole series.
Yeah, good comedy. Hence why it would be so silly and laughable if they actually introduce such tiny bug aliens in the show, LOL! It would completely change the tone for me.
@@Zeetana1 I love the idea that they're microscopic. Why would it change the tone? Viruses have killed millions of people on Earth.
I love that moment! Totally applicable to this book.
an armada of alien spaceships
destroyed by hydrochloric acid 🤣
Nice one shouting out Quinn's Ideas, his channel is next level for sci-fi / horror content, check him out!
Love his channel and this one.
Agreed. Quinns Idea's channel is amazing. I just found it, while looking for info on this show and I was blown away by how great his content is on the books, the show, as well as other Sci-fi stuff like DUNE
My favorite Sci-Fi TH-camr
Same, glad he mentioned him. I remember watching his take on the 3 body problem as well.
“Oh sorry, Tatiana. I think I accidentally stepped on your Lord…”
Actually a cockroach in the ships galley...cockroaches are hard to kill though...
The Fermi paradox is utter bullshit.
We've effectively observed the cosmos in a radius of 50 light years.
It's like scooping up a bucket of seawater and concluding there are no fish in the ocean.
Except, it would be like scooping up that bucket to see no life at all, fish had to evolve from something. If life is not unique to Earth, then there should be some within 50 light years.
I think you are seriously downplaying how "little" we've observed so far, in the context of the size of our universe, we haven't seen anything, but in the context of searching life, we've seen a lot.
"You wouldn't like it."
Anyone get creeped out by that line?
Not really. Imagine how we appear to the San-Ti
@@antonycharnock2993 i guess its just neat that they would admit that. I kind of hope we never see them.
@@cernstormrunner7263 I think it's an open admission that they see their physical form as inferior.
What they achieved as a species is remarkable and borderline impossible in a system like that, but physically they're weak and easily destroyed
I thought it was kinda lame. I understand they don’t want us to see them just yet but come on, we wouldn’t like it is the reason? They’re literally on their way to conquer us😂
@@randomdaveUKI would think that’s the true reason aswell but really confusing when you think about how they can’t really lie
Glad to see the crossover of Quinn fans here excited for the shout out. Found him after watching Dune and helping me get immersed into that world as well.
Same
Now I understand why they got upset by the “pests” remark. He offended them and told them we squish tiny organisms.
What scene was this?
@@romixfox4287 in the scene when is is speaking to “Lord” he tells them the people that oppose there cult are pests. I’m not completely sure on the actual wording. It is also when they say they are scared of us because we can lie after the he read them little red riding hood.
@@GlobeHard aww yeah gotta watch this scene again! All dots are connected 🤯
I believe at one point in the main books they are described as having glass-like see through bodies that are moldable and allow you to literally see their thoughts.
Combine that with the spin off description, as being tiny and bug like creatures that can dehydrate at will, you have a pretty decent idea.
I like the glass like description but that bug like size is shit... Maybe increase their size
@@pthespidey5057 It's not shit when you think about how small creatures (viruses, bacteria) already kill us in the real world.
@@pthespidey5057 🤣🤣🤣 so if we discover that the aliens are like bugs or like octopus (the Arrival), humanity shouldn't take aliens with a warning?
if they were actually bug sized, the conflict between us and them would make no sense, as it would be pretty much irrelevant in terms of inter-specific competition.
Bugs are nearly IMMPOSSIBLE to wipe out!
If one of use survives we all do
@@mikelampt2418not true, unless you're a species that reproduces via binary fission🤣.
Look up "bottlenecks" r/t extinction events...usually doesn't end well. Which is why historically, women weren't sent off to war
@@mikelampt2418use?
if they are bugs, I doubt they would call us " bugs".......
Only for a thought experiment, via natural selection the with the chaotic environment they survived it was no longer they advanced technically to the harsh conditions. Imagine a cockroaches that were just a little smarter than the rest survive in which they would communicate and build elaborate and complex structures to survive the heat. Termites already have developed a primitive form of air conditioning based on building design in which we have modeled.
Your shoutout for Quinn’s Ideas channel is a great reflection on your own channel - which I also watch loyally! Keep the vids coming and best wishes for your TH-cam success and DadLife(TM) ;)
thank you man, much appreciated
San-Ti is the name used in the Chinese version of the book, so its still accurate.
san means 3 in mandarin. ti might be a simplified version of sun: Tàiyáng
Ti means object@@badrequest5596
@@badrequest5596 it has a weird double meaning of 'saints' in Italian too which i presume to be accidental but possibly not
"Ti" in Mandarin actually translates to "body" (mass).... so San-Ti = Three-Body ...
@@tonyprohaska interesting 🤔
1. They need to "rehydrate" to be awaken from a dormant state
2. They have a hive mind "if one survives, we all survive..." which also explains why every new cycle, they start out more advanced than their previous cycle.
3. Bugs have been a theme this entire first season
Conclusion:
The aliens look like actual BUGS, only highly evolved 'bugs' who have similar features as the bugs on earth.
And because of the hive mind, if only one alien survives, they all survive in that actual sense because they are one hive mind.
What annoyed me a bit, was when Evans was reading a fairy tale and other stories to the aliens, as if he's been doing this all along and only "now" they started to ask questions?
Didn't the "Sophons" (their spies) not see that humanity lies constantly and shouldn't been a surprise for them when Evans revealed humans could lie...? With every confict going on on the planet and so much more...?
The "hive mind" shoudn't be like human civilizations, but it should have been a "culture shock" once their Sophons arrived on earth, but instead they already knew "how" humanity was, but not yet knew they deceived eachother? Hard to believe...
Yeah. I struggled with that. It's not like the Sophons couldn't access an entire history worth of human knowledge
They aren’t actually a Hive Mind. They just communicate via showing their thoughts as light.
They also can’t read thoughts, wich is why they jsut assumed that when a human says one thing and does another, they just changed their mind. Not to mention the Sophons aren’t actually omnipresent. They jsut swoosh around between important sites, they aren’t listening on in normal people constantly.
The 3-Body TV series likely accelerated the pace and condensed the plot, making it seem as though Sophon had been on Earth for an extended period, rather than just arriving a month prior to the scientists' deaths. Moreover, the series introduces a plot hole by portraying Sophon as an overpowering AI without realistic constraints, leaving viewers wondering why it doesn't just solve problems directly.
Also, the fact that the sophons were sabotaging our scientific results long before they found out they couldn’t trust us was also confusing. Maybe I missed something but did the old man/alien sympathizers know they were sabotaging science? If not, that would be the aliens deceiving us which supposedly they’re afraid of
@@putty-e2872yea, I wondered why the sophons couldn’t stop kill people directly since they’re literally intelligent particles. They could cause devastation if they really wanted to. Wipe out humanity by hacking into nuclear bases and nuking the world. Most of that nuclear fallout will be gone by the time they arrive. I also wondered if they had technology so crazy that they could program a particle, why can’t they just regulate their planets temperature and even gravity.
Honestly, the scariest part isn't that our solar system is destroyed. It's HOW it's destroyed. Absolutely horrifying and nothing I could've imagined before I read the series.
Wasn’t it described as being unpainful?
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That's one of the most spectacular scenes I've ever read, and can't wait to see it play out on the screen 😮
@@shazanali8551 answer the question lmao I read the books and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t painful
I've just finished The Dark Forest and found out what "The Spell" was...
So glad to see Quinn’s Ideas get a shout out. Every sci-fi fan should be watching his content.
Great that they are "insect-sized" or even smaller (near microscopic) and consider humans "bugs"... And it makes sense considering the environmental inconsistencies of their planet...
Nice that a sci-fi series does something other than paint bipedal humans a different color or add bumps/hair/pointy ears and then call them "aliens"....
Anyway, thanks for the nice breakdown as always Paul!!
Thats just a fanfiction that the author complimented. The books imply they’re close to human size - they want to use the buildings and furniture already on Earth.
The Santi don't know deception yet deception is exactly how the Santi mess with human science. Shout out to Quinn too!
They weren’t being deceptive. They were doing it but just didn’t say anything. Everything happened right in front of scientists eyes but don’t know what is happening which took a while for them to catch on. Also how can we expect them to announce they are there when that is just our understanding of what an intelligent species would do if they don’t know deception.
@@shinbi6009 Exactly. Deceiving would have been leading us to the wrong answers rather than our sabotage. Much worse, we wouldn't even know it was happening.
I think deception. The sofons are not part of our current scientific paradigm. So to me, them using the sofons to change the sky and the collider readings “leans” toward being deceitful. The sky and readings are false imagery….they are liars who don’t like liars 🤔
Ok guys. This not being deceptive is really leaning hard on the "You never asked me if I had kids." 😂😂😂
@@Wolvesarechasingme thats actually a funny but good example.
1:47 Ask any pest control agent exterminating cockroaches and they'll always say, _"If one survives they all survive."_
I was talking about cockroaches the other day. I've never actually seen one myself but apparently they are really hard to kill perfectly adapted for survival. And they stink according to my elderly parents.
@@antonycharnock2993"apparently" umm or just simply look up cockroaches on Google You weird one
Quinn is my go-to chan for Dune and Foundation as well :)
Shout out to Quinn’s Ideas!
THIS
Yup he's the one that showed me these books.
A legend
Was able to meet him back in July 2019 at Con of thrones . He is the most kind hearted and positive person! If you go to his channel he has amazing indepth break downs of the series!
Quinn is the best! I’ve found so much good sci-fi content through his channel. His TBP stuff is awesome, and so are his Dune videos.
It always bums me out that the TH-cam algorithm does such a poor job of surfacing such awesome creators.
"Begrudgingly" cosigned would be a more accurate interpretation of how this "spin-off" book was received by the original author. Enthusiastic? Excited? Happy to do so? Nope, couldnt use any of those terms 🤷🏽♂
Excellent! Yes, I brgan to suspect they were bug-like due to those clues, too. Tardigrades are cool!
Absolutely love the idea of them being so tiny.
@UCmakQ_8FIxs7b1tJUHG4E_g Thank you, I really appreciate that. Love this channel and energy is awesome.
I’m so thankful you’ve read the books! It’s my favorite science fiction series. I kinda hope you do a breakdown on HOW much Will buying Jin the Star goes to payoff in the future. That scene had me in literally tears 😭 Will was my favorite, besides Jack/Sam. Also, have you been listening to the official podcast? It’s such a nice bonus.
Should I try the books? I’m so tempted but I thought I heard there was issues with the translation? Maybe that person was wrong, hopefully!
I was utterly fascinated by season 1 and it reminds me lots of other shows I like.
I already know a lot of “spoilers” from future books like what happens with Will, Jin and the star he bought like you mentioned. Even with those spoilers I think I’m gonna try them!
I love Quinn's ideas! So cool to see you shout him out as well. I found him once the first dune trailer dropped and have been a fan since.
Actually in the Chinese Three body show in the last 2 episodes they are actually shown as humanoid bugs with tentacles like hand and translucent bodies
Perhaps the idea for the Trisolarans was modelled on the G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs from Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy (pub 1979). "Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire (G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs) battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.". 😄
tardigrades ( water bears) are tiny but we couldn’t crush or kill it if we wanted to. 😂😂
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If they are bug-sized, can't they just come to Earth quietly? They don't need to announce their plan to colonize Earth; the whole civilization can live next door, and I probably wouldn't know. 😅😅😅 this is stupid
Excellent 10min summary!!! so many other drag this stuff out for hours... well done!!
I smashed the like button BEFORE the smash-joke.
Edit: is season two gonna be far in the future with a new cast or set next year with the same faces? Troubled I am.
I hope its the same cast, I really like some of the characters and their story isn't over. That said, we definitely need to see the future battle at some point, maybe towards the end of the show.
It will be the same cast because DnD were smart enough to include all the main protagonists of the story in season one.
In the book series, they were the size of grains of rice and scurried around like bugs.. The irony!
Nice to see that you've been watching videos from "Quinn's Ideas." So have I. I actually didn't discover his channel until sometime during my watch of the Netflix show. Basically, during my watch of the show, I found out that it is based on a book series.
Went looking for videos on the book series and found "Quinn's Ideas". Saw all the videos he had available on this book series, among others. After finishing the Netflix adaptation, I started watching Quinn's videos about the books. By now, I believe I have watched them all, including his 4.5-hour monster of a compilation video.
Incidentally, via Quinn, I found out about the Chinese adaptation called "Three Body". This adaptation is 30 episodes and only consists of the first book in the series. I have been watching it via Amazon Prime, and I am currently on episode 22.
Between the Netflix adaptation and the Chinese adaptation by Tencent, I really am wanting the entire book series to show up in live-action, including the book not written by the original author of the series.
Damm 🫡
2:11 the like button lighstup :O
People getting pissed that a channel called heavy spoilers spoiled something for them is senseless
Thanks for your Shout-Out to Quinn, he does give very detailed & astute analysis’s on the 3 Body Problem both the books and both the series, Tenent’s (Chinese), & Netflix’s.
"When you say these videos are sh*t, and then you make one yourself, and you look f*cking stupid!" As a fellow TH-camr, I adore this comment.
Can I just point something out here. Everyone is saying they are bugs. Like tardigrades. They must have some fairly decent size to them to have the physical ability to create ships. And harness the power that they have. Also bugs are pretty resilient things. They would probably survive extreme heat or extreme cold.
It's because of Quinn I got into the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy. His videos on the Dune books are also killer 🤘🏻
Quinn is fantastic
Quinn's Ideas!!!!
It’s been said a bunch, but for anything sci-fi, Quinn is the go to
I think in the chinese language books, San-Ti are the names of aliens
Yes, San Ti literally means "three body"
I found Quinn’s Ideas directly after watching the show. Amazing insight and breakdowns.
love the fact highlights the like button every time you say like in the video
Following quin since 3-4 years loved his content
Quinn is the fucking MAN! Got me hooked on this series and MANY others! Definitely worth the sub!
How can you possibly come to the conclusion they are small little "bugs" when they clearly talk about the equivalent of mice nibbling at them while dehydrated, causing them to be missing "fingers" or bites out of their sides when rehydrated. This suggests the trisolarans are at least the size of a cat, not a grain of rice as you incorrectly assume.
cos I read the books
@@heavyspoilers What I mentioned is IN the books. So it doesn't make sense. You telling me they changed them in later books to be the size of a grain of rice? Because that is contrary to at least book 1.
Lowkey expected Quinn to show up here.
Since I thought we could destroy the Sofon with a single antihydrogen, the story lost its meaning for me
Yeah I was just gonna suggest Quinn! I love this channel but he really gets into the nitty gritty of the books and comparisons. Those books are also DENSE, I read them and his channel helped a lot.
The Earth has been around for 5-8 billion years... and we only started looking for 60 years or so? That's like you are in the ocean and can't see any fish looking at the surface for one second.
This is my favorite analogy for people that say "wtf no aliens?!?!?!"
Then after a long time, and rarely, a shark comes up and eats ya. Not all the time, but eventually
@@didamnesia3575 it might be a shark and it could eat you, or it may be a sardine, and you will eat them. That said, it would not surprise me too much if the government made announcement with in our lifetime that there is contact with another lifeform. Be it a probe, alternative dimension, or communications. The pace of human technological advancement has been exponential the last 80 years, and its hard to believe we didn't get a boost at somepoint(s).
I think the point is if advanced alien civilisations exist wouldn't space be full of radio signals. Radio waves become weaker & weaker the further they travel. Maybe if they are that advanced they don't use radio signals and communicate in a way we don't understand. Maybe on a quantum level a bit like the sophons. Or just as scary there might not be any other advanced aliens out there just simple lifeforms. That's science we just don't know until we find out.
We know that they’re shiny too. Highly reflective skins (or exoskeleton) and it’s why their technology is the same. Ie, the virtual headset.
No one knows what the Santi look like
eliza gonzalez is the worst part of this show!
Heard people theorize that they communicated with visual thoughts, and that they have a metallic Shiney skin, so maybe like a cuttlefish with changing skin, but it always displays their true feelings and expresses for them. So lying would be hard if it happens unconsciously
If you got their biology from Redemption of Time, please DISREGARD it. Redemption of Time is nothing but fanfiction by most readers. Cixin Liu had planned to write another book in the 3BP universe, but RoT destroyed any hope of that.
7:37 ok I'll come back after season 2 drops
So if they're the size of a grain of rice, why do they need to get rid of humanity to live on earth? We wouldn't even notice them.
Not intentionally; we invent, transform, create, and destroy things when we don’t like it. They would be a collateral extinction
1) the risk of our won advancement
2) we can lie. This may be dangerous to individual San Ti
3) because they want all the space they can get.
Thanks for the video.
This is why I, largely, avoid modern science fiction. I also suspect this is why Hollywood is doing so poorly with film releases lately. Everything is the end of the world / apocrypha. Once, or twice, this is entertaining. But it gets really boring after a while.
None of these science fiction authors have it in them to write something new/interesting.
For those that care, esoterically speaking, the world is not coming to an end. Apocrypha is always local in nature. The world, and by extension, humanity will do just fine. Doomers aren't just boring... they are dumb. Ultimately most people who give in to this are just using it to excuse their own laziness. Actually making the world a better place takes a lot of work.
FWIW, Aaron Cleary has a great book called the "Curse of the Hi IQ" that gets into some of the psychology.
I just spent the weekend hanging out with a few billionaires. The positive nature of their vibe was really refreshing. It is just a shame so many, who could do what they do, talk themselves out of it. The world would be a much better place.
I think the most heads up you could give about spoiler is already at the name of the channel! Loved the adding part of the little heart attack tho hahahahha thanks for the content!
He’s good looking!.!.
Technically not canon but I also really enjoy the interpretation, and clearly cixin did as well
😂😂😂😂 smash it like the like button
There are some hints that Trisolarans are the size of bugs. That's how they were able to dehydrate and hydrate at will.
What hints? If we want to talk about what Liu Cixin intended, then we must discard 4th book. Then I would say if Trisolarans were that small, their ship sizes would not make sense. Also Yun Tianming having all that room to live (and farm) with them would not make sense eighter. If i remember correctly Trisolaran robots assisted him farming. If they were that small, wouldnt it make sense that their helper robots would be small too?
Whos here because of Quinns ideas.
Quinn's Ideas is one of the best TH-cam channels out there!!
Okay so a couple things. In the original Chinese book, the aliens are known as the Santi, only in the translated version are they known as the tricelorians. And the aliens were never really described in the original books, it was only in the fan made redemptions of time book that they were described, tho cixin liu did give his blessing on the book so it’s like half cannon. In the show you saw how they made those tiny computers, they first blow the proton to the size of a planet and THEN they create the computer on it, before shrinking it after they are done. So no there’s no evidence still in the show that shows what they look like at all
One thing i still dont get, the sophons can apparently show you things, like time counters. Why dont they just make everyone blind?
So many plot holes
Good on you for shouting out quinns ideas, great channel! Yours is OK too I guess. 😂
I smell a crossover......please ❤
Goes back to the question in Jurassic Park.
“Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should”
Quinn is great! What about a team up?
All that I know about the 3 body problem is thanks to Quinn. He made me fall in love with this book and Dune.
The most disturbing part isn't that the solar system is destroyed, but HOW. I probably reread that section 20 times, just to make sure my nightmares would be accurate. 😂
It's like an anti-Star Trek vision. Nice you gave a shoutout to Quinn's Ideas! Definitely a great channel.
Use your brain and hit the thumbs up! LOLOL I'm gonna steal this. Very cool little variant you should use every time. Perfect!
Fyi, your spoiler "warning" is a MASSIVE spoiler dude.
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"How the san-ti LOSE" !? come on man, i know you can do better lol 😘
Just a non interesting commentary, I loved the series how it been build up, but most importantly the fact that, what happens in the series is actually accurate. Between the revolutution of china in May 66 follow by the red august, under Mao Dzedong, till the very document of the Wouw signal it’s the copy of the original, what show a deep study to be accurate in they use of history to create that fiction. I am a everybody, not academies, but I have learned I big deal because of that series after research like ( Silent spring written in 62 explaining the take of conscience of the destructive power of human to the anvironement with pesticide, and the tragedy of the attempt of silent Rachel Carlson the writer … make some research I have learn a huge deal of very interesting things.
The thing Paul said about three minutes and 20 seconds in... It's offputting. He's basically bashing on us, his audience. I'm starting to understand why other creators don't like him.
So the "Dark Forest" theorem is an extension of Sutekh's supremacism in that he feared other lifeforms advancing beyond the Osirons (him in particular) in intellect and ability and sought to destroy such life preemptively before it became a threat; Sutekh is the ultimate general charged with Osiron security.
Similarly, the Daleks are the ultimate xenophobes that seek to reduce the cosmos to a genomic singularity of only one sentient lifeform to exclusion of all others than themselves.
I have several difficulties with the Three Body Problem. And the first is: the element of natural selection and environmental adaptation. The series makes assumptions as to the living conditions of the Trisolarens in that they are entirely land animals with no aquatic or subterranean variations of their form; unless their planet's crust and seas are not nearly as deep as ours or offer not mediating shelter from their environmental extremes in Chaotic eras?
However, and as an example, terrestrial Tardigrades can survive a plethora of extreme environments and disasters without extermination or even death of single individual"water bears"; if a creature evolved on a planet of extremes they would surely develop a science and then a technology that would be as robust as them? And if the Trisolarens were able to build colony ships, to reach earth in 400 years, they could conceivably devise and fabricate artificial colony environments, removed from their planetary extreme periods, to stabilise their society while remaining within the home solar system or at the very least stay outside of the destructive influence of the tidal forces of their three suns?
Secondly, and perhaps it's a cultural thing, I can never get to grips with the solipsism of Ye Wenjie in that she knowingly endangers humanity so selfishly; I understand the writer is making a point about the horrors and lasting psychosis induced by Mao's Cultural Revolution but even then it seems far fetched unless he is writing Ye Wenjie as not really understanding the full scale of the danger she has put her world in - sociopaths rarely see their motives as bad, just lacking in consequential cognition of their actions.
Third, the Three Body Problem seems to be obsessed with ownership and money making as even in extremis the surviving humans retain rights to observable Stars named and effectively bought while on earth (when there was an earth) and there's no common good, just a mercantile mindset and selfishness in the survivors to exclusion of all others. Again, is this a cultural idiom that runs as an undercurrent in modern Post Communist China? Or is the writer merely embracing realism that we will slaughter and swindle our own for advantage even in the nadir of humanity?
Let's hope the second series of the television adaptation stitches these plot holes together?
There’s no life on other planets. It’s just earth. Yes we are special. Yes there is a god. No there’s no other explanation. Any other explanation just makes you look like an inexperienced child.
Quinn is great. Glad you gave him a shout-out.
So how would the "pacifist" san-ti able to just hide the first communication if they are all connected?
the San-Ti Ren can only access each other's thoughts when there is communication (as said from the sophon), which just means that you can choose whether to share thoughts or not, kinda like a light switch
@@MiragePanda No she said once we communicate everything is known to both parties.
So that is a valid question.
Imagine getting raided by aliens that are nearly as big as a rice corn. Their Sophons are everything they have. To be honest, they are very OP.
Still Novels and nothing from Cixin. They might be still something else.
We know _already_ ...from 'The Lion King'
_San-Ti sana - SQUASHED BANANA!_
this does not make sense. Brain size implies they can't be that small and have higher function. Unless. Unless they somehow have a hive mind that creates a super mind that coalesces brain power like a supercomputer. otherwise...
This series is funny . In the first episode , they did funeral in Chinese traditional way and worshiped. And, they said we are scientists, we don’t believe God . 😂Lol.
Too smelly Chinese in the whole series
I know it's fiction but doesn't it seem implausible that the super intelligent alien race are the size of a grain of sand? On earth, brain size directly correlates with intelligence. Everything else in this series tries it's hardest to engrain the Sci-fi concepts in actual real world science as possible.
I found it fascinating that the character of "Ye Winjie" is brutalized by Mao's cultural revolution, yet is motivated to assist the arrival of a group seeking to do the same to the earth upon arrival.
This is analogous to what a regressive political party is attempting in America by enabling Chine's covert subjugation of America.
And all of this started because a few line of answers from a one handed woman. How such an, in her mind at that moment, insignificant individual actions became a catalyst for interstellar war(s), near demise of human race, and later, interdimensional war.
A flap of a butterfly wings.
I knew about the 4th book and its description of the trisolarans. however I chose to ignore it since it kind of destroys much of the premise of the original trilogy if it were considered true canon..
because I see no way the humans and the trisolarans would actually come into conflict if their size was that different from one another..
if a single trisolaran took up that little space, and I assume that few resources, we could just become symbiotic as species instead of having to wipe each other out like in the books.
The reason "Dark Forest" is so much nonsense, is because resources as understood by lesser civilizations are not as "finite" as those civilizations would believe compared to truly intergalactic and even interworld traveling civilizations. Water, food, and other material needs would have to be situated, planned, and in basic near abundance prior to that galactic and interworld expansion.
Basically, most of the problems single planet civilizations have experiences, would most likely need to be solved prior to galactic expanse.
At the very least, that sort of expansion would have to be supported by technology and understanding that would allow for itself. It's entirely illogical to think that intergallactic species would ever do something like this, but it does make for some good scifi drama.
Ahh, so I was right in assuming that this sci-fi show would just be another anti-human garbage show where "evil wins", humanity is destroyed, aliens wipe us out or something. Just depressing and pointless overall, but that is appearantly the only kind of sci-fi they are able to put out these days.
Also, if they introduce these little bug bears as the aliens in the show, it's going to be some serious LOL-material... That is just so silly and laughable. At this point, when they do find out what they really are like, it should unite humanity instantly because it would be so obvious we could easily defeat them.
ome on, if they are micro size, they would not be traveling across space and time on 1000 ships..... and if they were microns, they would see us as a threat.