HMS Victory: Returning Nelson's flagship to her former glory
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- HMS Victory is undergoing a massive restoration and conservation programme costing around £45m.
Lord Nelson's flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar is being stripped right back and having all the rotten wood removed.
Forces News was given exclusive access to the ship, preserved for all to enjoy at the National Museum of the Royal Navy in Portsmouth, to see the progress that's being made.
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Wonderful to see the care and science going into the preservation of HMS Victory. She really is a National Treasure.
My dad was one of the shipyard workers who built victory
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24you mean restoring this National Treasure.
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 no he was one of the original builders when the ship was new
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Oh wow. Your father was one of the Original craftmanship of the HMS Victory
So your dad was around in the mid 1700s when this ship was built then,so your agood 300 years old then are ya,yeah rite,ya muppet.
As an American, I congratulate the British for preserving this living piece of history. HMS Victory is around 75 yrs older than the USS Constitution, and maintaining these vessels requires a huge investment. At a time when there is a movement to discard our history, it is heartwarming to see this project (much like the effort to preserve the battleship USS Texas).
What movement is discarding history?
@@seanwebb605Progressivism. Or haven't you seen statues being torn down and history being re-written these last several years?
@@suspiciousminds1750 You mean the confederate statues that were erected in response to the civil rights movement? What history is being re-written? I would be surprised to learn that you has much experience as a scholar. More like right wing symbolism. Are you planning on burning any books today?
@@seanwebb605 Columbus' statues are being removed, the Founding Fathers are being trashed as little more than slave owners, Teddy Roosevelt's statue was removed from NYC, even Frederick Douglas and Lincoln statues have been defaced! Perhaps you are not aware so the so-called "1619 Project" by Nikole Hannah-Jones, that states the US was founded solely to protect slavery.
"National Socialists" are the book burners, I wasn't aware that Socialists are "right wing."
"I would be surprised to learn that you has much experience as a scholar. "
-I may not be a scholar, but at least I know grammar.
Do some research, learn some proper grammar, and maybe, maybe, you won't embarrass yourself.
Class dismissed.
We're done.
Bye!
"HMS Victory is around 75 yrs older"
Barely 30. 1765 vs 1797
As an American and a fan of military history, I am grateful that the Royal Navy is preserving and keeping HMS Victory afloat for generations to came. Her history should never be forgotten. Thank you!
Well not afloat. She has been in dry dock 102 years.
She is not going to sail ever again, sadly
You don't need to state that you're American
@@raphaelsmithwick4363 it’s internet: he could been Australian for all we know
@@raphaelsmithwick4363 I personally like that he's stated where he's from as it shows that she is famous beyond the UK where her history truly lies.
I visited the victory in the mid '70s when we anchored off of there, I was on the USS Nimitz.
My mum got us abroad your ship on a liberty boat when an officer was stood up on a date and he took us instead.
One of my ancestors came aboard her with Captain Hardy, and my maternal grandfather served aboard her briefly whilst training in WW1
Not according to her history, he didn’t.
This is the Victory it's the symbol of our land. You can build it in a bottle you can hold it in your hand.
Amen.
I know it would never happen, but imagine seeing the Victory sailing with the Constitution...that would be a sight to behold. To the people doing the restoration of HMS Victory, thank you and keep doing an outstanding job.
Way back in 1979 I met my future wife who was Captains secretary onboard. We married in 1980 and were still here 44years on….happy days!!
Congratulations!
I walk those decks nearly 10 years ago now and was so great full for having that experience so I wish for good work so others can experience the same thing ❤❤
Hope you have a sprinkler system on Victory. It worries me that we'll lose it to fire one day, either by accident, neglect, or vandalism.
Learn lessons from Notre-Dame.
Some left wing groups who want it erase British history have already threatened to burn down the ship along with other historical British landmarks. Matter of time unfortunately
I think lessons were learned from the Cutty Sark fire in 2014.
Toured her in the early 80's. A great memory.
Bet the French and Spanish don't think so!
She is beautiful!
I've been to see the HMS Victory 2 times now and wacked my head both times due to how cramped the ship is inside as the average human height was back then was a lot smaller than it is now. Totally worth it as it is something you should take time to see in person if you can.
That's not true! The average height is virtually the same as it is now. Captain Hardy was 6'4"
Average height isn't the reason the headspace is short there's a lot less of a size difference than people think between modern people and those from hundreds of years ago..... odds are the headspace is cramped because making it like that allowed them to fit another deck level inside the ship.
Kakarot64- Spot on! That's the reason, to make as much space as possible, it wasn't a cruise liner!
The problem is restoring and preserving something that was only really designed to last a few years if it was lucky. If Nelson came back to life he would be amazed that anything was left. People forget that stuff built for war is rarely designed to last for that long.
But Victory was already 50 years old at the Battle of Trafalgar. She was built in 1765.
The way our Navy is going we might need that to be operational 😂😂
amazing works
What about putting a structure around it like a hanger, project sea and sky on the dome inside but protect it from weather for the rest of time
Great idea but would sadly cost far too much.
I thought the same, something traditional , similar to the old victorian railway terminals with the arched glass roofs and the sides could be build to be inkeeping with the other dock buildings.
@@AtheistOrphan healer than a rebuild every 25 years or so…. I bet a public fundraiser could be used to supplement the costs . Good thing for the king to chip in for
Have the premiere soccer clubs donate to it also
As an 80 year old semi retired shipwright, it brings home the problem of the lack of training in this country, that an icon of our maritime history is in the hands of foreign boat builders. It seems that France in particular, have taken over maritime history, and the training of a new generation of shipbuilders, while in Britain this skill has been deemed to be in danger of being lost.
Like Trigger's broom.
I was going to say that too.
@@VanderlyndenJengold me too!
When your car breaks down do you replace parts?
It would be amazing if they actually restored Victory to sea worthy condition and put her back out to sea like USS Constitution.
Easier to build a replica
Of course the original frames were not laminated with resin........
Better hurry up, Navy is gonna need her come September!
Why ?
@@matthewrose6275
Additional hull for providing taxi services to small boats crossing the channel.
When on Victory in 1976 . Made when Great Britain ruled the world's seas and oceans . 🏴🇬🇧
Amazing
When you do something, do it right. How can you use laminated futtocks when they did not do that when the ship was built? Use historically correct procedures!
I wonder how long laminated wood will last compared to the original solid timbers?
surely traditional methods have worked this long, why not replicate those🤷♂
@@joncawte6150 No oak trees left that are large enough to make such a large curved piece. Most of the woodlands are gone and built over and it would take hundreds of years to grow an oak to that size
@@toekneekerching9543 The US Navy actually has an forest for that purpose, to maintain USS Constitution.
6.03 Hood in the background...
An 'ancient ship'? Ah yes, those descriptions of her sailing into battle alongside Roman triremes...
Ancient just means very old. There's no defined period
350 years is ancient
It’s a pretty nice boat, no USS Constitution and she would obviously get smoked in a 1~V~1 against Old Iron Sides but a very fine ship. 😊
I would like to think so but it would depend on the handlers. Victory greatly out guns our Constitution. The Constitution does have speed and maneuverability on Victory and a thicker haul. If Victory got a clean broad side off it would be over but if Constitution could control the engagement and limits her to the chase guns Victory would face a slow defeat. Brits had orders to avoid our frigates less a 2 to one advantage in both ships and guns. Victory has the guns but would need an escort to prevent loosing the battle of possition. Something Nelson himself was an expert at Trafalgar by spliting a larger enemy in half then defeating in detail.
Only 17% of what you see is original, she underwent a lot of repairs after Trafalagar, and since being dry docked is collapsing under her own weight.
Khufu had a boat, its over a thousand years old.
Buried in the sand, I think.
Fortunately in the 21st century we better have wood preservation treatments available which should enable timbers to last a lot longer.
Oh and someone needs to point out to the presenter that it's the weather from the English Channel that's battering it, not the Atlantic.
When shall you finish this endless restauration ?!…
I saw with my parents in 1972 in one piece.
Get the help of those who recently finished to restore Notre Dame de Paris !
I would like to cross again the « English channel !!! » …before I pass away to see her again !…
I am a bl…..y Frenchman 😉
Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves!
If they are making her structurally sound.... what is stopping her from becoming seaworthy again? That would be a sight.
45 million euros? holy shipp
Would it not be cheaper to build a glass house around it ?
Navy will be sending victory to the Red Sea I’m sure 😂😂😂😂😂
It looks rough in recent years: looked better in the 1970s
The majority of cannon are wooden reproductions because the decking was failing i have a photograph of me and a friend holding a 32. pounder aloft in the shipwrights workshops back in 90s
Could she actually sail again.
I have read that this work is being done to bring her back into active service in case of conflict overseas. Any truth to this?
Given his level of ignorance about all things military, Shapps might well think that a good idea.
Last time i heard the Royal navy is part of the British institution even when she was launched ' i presume the crew was made up of briton's up and down the land and i guess a few from oversea's as well ' so it's a British ship not a English ship
How much of the original ship is still there ?
Just the bell
All sounds a bit Triggers broom to me…
Ah yes, the mop and the mop head situation
Too bad they couldn't house her in an indoor structure. Wood that old can't withstand the weather.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to store her inside a dry and controlled environment?
triggers broom over the year its all been replaced...
So glad she is being preserved! who cares how much it costs. and still being the oldest ship in the world still commissioned. she is one historical treasure.
It really annoys me when people say the money is being wasted etc. Its paying wages and training apprentices, they spend the money in the economy - its not like PPE contracts where it just goes into an off shore bank account
When I first started work in 1981, I worked with a lovely old chap called Reg Keyte who served on HMS Victory - honestly. He was a gunner on HMS Nelson in the Second World War, was wounded in action and when recovered was confined to shore and so served as Fire Watch on HMS Victory, an important job given the air raids on Portsmouth. Naturally there was much banter at work, such as Reg being asked what Admiral Nelson was really like, all of which was taken in good spirits, as one would expect from a real gent. He would be pleased to know his old ship is being restored.
Do you know if anything happened to the ship for mr. Keyte to get into action, protecting her?
@@exharkhun5605 I don't believe so. I think he had a relatively quiet time on his watch. His injury incurred on HMS Nelson though left him with a permanent limp from an immobile ankle. If I recall correctly he was a gunner on A-turret. I've no idea in which action this occurred.
@@spotontheroad1 Thank you for answering. It's still a lovely little anecdote that connects history to us in our own time. Wishing you the very best.
That's a fantastic story. Here's to you, Reg!
@@exharkhun5605 In 1941 her keel was broken by a 500lb bomb courtesy of the Luftwaffe.
Went on a tour of HMS Victory in 1964/5 - whilst a trainee at HMS Ganges - it is truly wonderful to see the commitment to keeping this priceless history of Great Briton in good shape.
That was about the same time as I went on a tour of HMS Victory. I was a Cadet training to be a weapons artificer at HMS Excellent (Whale Island). Great memories.
The last time I visited her was in the late 1950's and she was still afloat in the dock. She was then the Flagship of The Admiral Commanding Portsmouth and his office Nelson's day cabin. My Father, an Intelligence Officer, a Captain, was visiting him and being the school holidays I was dragged along, not complaining for once. A very well informed CPO gave me an excellent tour of her. Dad had to be assisted into the staff car by his steward having consumed a large quantity of Plymouth several hours later.
@@tonys1636 All the records say she went into drydock on the 12 January 1922, and on the 8 April 1925 she was temporarily refloated within Portsmouth's No. 2 dock, to adjust the supporting cradle so that Victory's waterline would be at the same level with the top of the dry dock consequentially she was not afloat in the 1950's.
Bonus: If you go to Portsmouth to visit HMS Victory, you can also visit HMS Warrior (1860 or so) which is an incredible look at technological change. Steel hull with sails. Old and new guns - from the oldest muzzle loaders to breech loaders but fuzed like a muzzle loader to proper fuzeless breech loaders. Very interesting bonus!
As well as Victory and Warrior don't forget Mary Rose and HMS M.33, a WW1 navy ship (a monitor) and HMS Alliance, a submarine, if you visit Portsmouth. In Belfast there is HMS Caroline, the last surviving ship from Battle of Jutland and also SS Nomadic, Titanic's tender.
Words cannot describe .. shear Majesty.. of. British Naval History ...
I trained a group of project managers from the dockyard a few years ago, one of whom looked after Victory.
He told me that possibly 15% of the ship is now original, rather like Trigger's Broom.
Compare that to the equally wonderful HMS Tricomalee at Hartlepool where possibly 90% of her may be original timber due to her being constructed of teak. Its great that we still care for these old men o' war, although I do worry about HMS Unicorn at Dundee as her planking is starting to look really bedraggled so she has to be next in the queue for a major restoration.
That's so true Dave.
Worth remembering that all the cells in a human's body are replaced every ~7 year, so you are not physically the same person your once were. Yet, you probably don't consider yourself to also be a Trigger's Broom.
@@DrRusty5Not all cells are replaced though. Most importantly neurons do not duplicate themselves and thus can't regenerate. Which is the reason why diseases like dementia are very hard to treat.
Same as USS Constitution
HMS Victory is important history to all of us and like our USS Constitution needs to be saved/shared with the world. Thank you for restoring HMS Victory. Shalom
Not bothered about your boat tbh..
@@Dave-hu5hr Same
@@Dave-hu5hrWhat a thoroughly rude and ignorant comment from a thoroughly rude and ignorant specimen of a person. Learn some manners if you function as a human being. Manners maketh man!!!
@@Dave-hu5hr What is wrong with you people? Your brave sitting behind a keyboard, hidden. Try being courteous, you might enjoy it.
Awesome, a truly terrific day out to go and visit this piece of history and walk the decks Nelson and his sailors walked and fought on and in.
Awesome 18th century technology. Reassuring to hear there's a master shipwright on the job.
Worth every penny ....
I was on this in 1979 with the Sea cadets from TS Boscowen. I recall the red floor, the reason was to hide the blood from injured sailors.
Brilliant. What an insight into the work involved to solve the problems found.
I'm wondering if some of that lovely smooth modern jointing makes water penetration around caulking easier or harder
Hearts of Oak. ✌️🏴
旗艦ビクトリーと海軍の神様ネルソン提督ですね 残っていると知りませんでした 素晴らしい！
Perhaps do like the swedes with the ship Vasa, and erect a whole museum around it.
There's not need to over passed the budget! WTH?
You talk about the millions like one talk about the pennies!
I do wonder how much of Victory is stll original...is it still the same ship? Interesting idea...
Considering all of the rebuilds since its original construction and return from battles I don't imagine much is original. Not what will be visible to the public.
someone needs to tell the wood storage guys to change the batteries on the smoke detectors
What happens to the rotten wood and can I have some, of it?
Lord Nelson said "England knows Lady Hamilton is a virgin. Poke my eye out and cut off my arm if I'm wrong."
Whos bright idea was it to let an ITALIAN lead the restoration of an English National treasure?
There were four Italians on board at Trafalgar! They put there lives on the line for England, so I don't see a problem with an Italian doing the work!
@@MyFinbar thank you for that little piece of information. I was not aware that there were Italians serving aboard the victory at Trafalgar.
Well, either way, I guess having the lead shipwright being an Italian is better than if they were French. Because then it would just seem like the very spirit of HMS victory was being insulted.
The crew were from all over the world, even French! If you're interested, a really good book is The men of HMS Victory at Trafalgar by John D Clarke.
Thanks for your reply.
@@MyFinbar I’ll look into the book
Only 20% is still original 😢
It's incredible that this historical treasure is still left to rot outside exposed to the elements. It should be a in a large dedicated hall displayed with full rigging.
A ship should never be severed from the sea.
@@SennaAugustus It's been in a dry dock for a century...
The interview questions are very well designed and the interview itself was very natural, the topic was very interesting as well. Great work by all!
Assuming that most of the timbers being replaced are original or at least a century old, why not rebuild with traditional methods instead of using methods that you can't guarantee will last 50 or 100 years. If it is down to timber quality issues and being unable to source sufficient quality British Oak, speak nicely to the US Navy who maintain a forest for the specific needs of their USS Constitution.
Also, refit the full masts, the Vic looks ridiculous without them.
She has be repaired many times, using traditional methods and still she rots.
Exactly right. a first rate line of battleship with only half her masts looks ridiculous. I remember then she had all her masts and yards in place. Now she is half a ship.
the government wouldnt do that because that requires foresight and theres little opportunity to contract stuff out to your mates
How, pray, do you fir the masts, while there’s a building over the top of her?
I’ll wait.
350 years old also we have plenty of oak he just said they source the best quality did you watch the video lol
For me one of the top ten European monuments.
Been on this ship so many times. It was an always on my list to visit when I went to town. So glad the repairs are getting on.
So So Happy That This Icon VICTORY Is being Saved
The REAL "HEART OF OAK"!
If you want to see how another English wooden sailing vessel is rebuilt (From the keel up), and see some of the techniques (in miniature) - check out the Tally Ho!
I was thinking about that as I was watching this. That is a great project as well!!
These people are so clever.
She stopped being an active ship when she was permanently dry docked. She will never have her former Glory unless she is restored to sail. That is why the USS Constitution is the oldest active duty warship in the world. HMS though older is a naval artifact not an active ship. Only at sea can a ship be restored to former glory.
no body said she was still active. she's the oldest commissioned ship in the world.
Great Job Money well Spent 👍🇬🇧
Looks like an application of "The ship of Theseus". Eventually there will be nothing left of the original Victory.
Perhaps once completed put her inside a large weatherproof pavilion? Then you just repair the pavilion as required.
Even your cells and atoms ate eventually replaced till not one bit of you is original. Doesn't mean your any less you
Keep the updates coming 👌🏻😃
Ship of Theseus?
Why don't they build a structure around it? As was done for the Vasa? That way the climate could be controlled, and any work they do won't be lost again in 30 or 50 years, and will not need to be repeated.
Also, if this were done, more of the original ship could be preserved. As it sits outside in the elements, more and more of the original ship decays and is lost. I've seen estimates that only about 17% to 20% of the original Victory is original... so it is not quite yet a "Ship of Theseus", but getting there. That 20% ought to be preserve in a shelter.
A building would save money in the future, also. I'm sure it would pay for itself, because this work will not be needed in the future. Also, who knows what the economies and politics will be in a hundred years... it could be that whomever is in charge then will simply give up on it, when it becomes rotted again. And it will rot again, if left outside.
Part of England's history?? Great Britain's surely.
Got the opportunity to visit on Monday Morning and it was a fantastic time to see the ship. Aside from the workers we often had an entire deck to ourselves. Were able to experience the ship in peace and quiet. Very grateful for the opportunity
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Nothing is more iconic of British Naval History than HMS Victory. This amazing vessel has to be the pride of Britian, It s is surrounded by HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose, three different generations of warship. I have visited HMS Victory a number of times, my family served in the navy and came from pompey. My G/G/fathers service record showed him attached to HMS Victory a number of times, I was very proud of that but soon discovered a sailor cannot be adrift without a ship, so when the ships tied up the crews were place on HMS Victory in the payroll, it showed they were infact ashore in Portsmouth HMS Firefly was another account for being ashore payroll entry.
45 million to fix a wooden ship?? Someone is really taking advantage of this project.
The old lady needs protecting.
I'm watching this with my seven year old... and you come out with futtock... she said, that man has a speech impediment
Oh, so the American wood was good, the British wood rotted out lol
Why not build a museum around her?
she will never be back to her former glory. she won't ever be repaiered back to sailing again.
The USS Constitution not only looks good but sails too!
Ship is thesus. After changing so many parts is it really the same ship
They are getting her ready to sail again as RN shrinks?
Reporter: great to see it like this so what is this...???bit counterintuitive !!!
Was it only manned by English seamen?