A monster in the making . I have been an A&P mechanic for 26 years . Commercial jets , military aircraft and helicopters . But I love when people that know what they are doing , do this .
evan vukets that green 914 is my dads and it now had a LS3 and boxer S trans and a bunch of other parts to be a full track ready beast. I have a 914 with an Iron block 350 and 930 4 speed trans. Mine is as fast as a cayman Gt4
Great stuff. I want to see Renegade succeed at an inverse rate to the depreciation of 996 and 986 Porsches. At some point, I hope to meet both in the middle. Great video, great car! Looking forward to the future vids from this project!
Seeing as most Porsche engines rev out at 6500-8000 in stock form, which you specified, yes. It's really not that hard to make a rev happy small block of any flavor. Big bore, short stroke, proper balance, roller valvetrain, good tune, done. If you're in North America, tons of shops can do this for you. Easy peezy, lemon squeezey.
Dunno, from all I've seen they usually have a pretty steep fall-off of the torque curve from about 5000, 5500 rpms. Maybe the push rod valvetrains can't keep up that well (vs the usual DOHC in European cars)? Of course they make more torque down low than the rev-happier engines, but the latter is just a type i enjoy more. But yeah, I bet if someone knows what they're doing they can get them to rev as well, I've just yet to see one of those. I'm based in Germany btw ;)
ls motors all rev pretty easily up past 6500. My 418 stroker made 550rwhp from 5800-6500 flat and still made above 540 at 6800. and i still had factory rockers and steel valves. maybe you are talking about old small blocks?
You're doing poor research if you think a small block can't rev. There's a lot them out there that can, no brand preference needed either. Ford, Mopar, and GM all have offerings able to make high power at high rpm. You can type 7000, 8000, or 9000 rpm small block into youtube, or just google for plenty of evidence. I understand not everyone loves them, but for compact power a well setup OHV small block is almost impossible to beat. No other engine will give you 400-500 whp as reliably. You being based in Germany would make all the difference, if you understood how low cost and ubiquitous the small block V8 was in North America, it would make even more sense. You think you can get a running gen 3 SBC, ford 5.0, or 5.7 Hemi for around $350 if you know where to look. Once you taste that sweet V8 nectar, it's difficult to go back.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't doubt it's possible, and I know there are ones revving pretty high. It's just that every dyno plot I've seen of them (even higher revving ones), they still had their max torque somewhere around 5000, 5500, and then that fell off, so the power curve flattened out or even decreased slightly, while Japanese or European engines seemed more usually to have less torque down low, but peak somewhere near their rev limit. It's just another characteristic. I love how the bigger displacement V8s sound at low rpms tho, and I wish you could get engines as cheaply here as you can in the US. On the other hand, you probably still wouldn't be allowed to run them here, but that's another topic xP
Possibly a little - mostly by allowing more air under the car. It would have been better to tilt the rad the other way and exit the hot air through the hood...but there's not really enough room to tilt the rad that way without it getting in the way of the fuel cell. But with the engine's centre of gravity a bit higher than the original flat 6 - and probably being a little heavier since it's not air cooled (and I'm no expert, but I _think_ all the 911s are air-cooled still)...I suspect it won't balance quite as well at the limit anyway. Traction should be good with those size tyres though, and you can make up for a slightly messed-up balance with that additional mechanical grip - right up to the point that you push just past the limits of the tyres (which is exactly what Porsche did with the earlier 911 Turbo/930 models - the so-called "Widowmaker" - when they discovered the problems of big power and speed combined with a rear engine layout), so no foul in that regard. It will be interesting to see how it does on the limit in a race situation - and I really don't want to see something all tail-happy and sideways. *crosses fingers that we get to see the end result*
Emerald012 yes it will... sw20 mr2s have that setup where radiator air flows under the car and anything above 180km/h feels pretty sketchy because the front end gets so light. ducting through the hood is a great way to improve downforce, i don't know why anyone would think that this is a good solution other than for convenience. I guess this car is just going to be for show?
+aussiebloke609 All 911's from the 996 onwards are watercooled, the 993 (the generation after the car in this video, which is a 964) was the last generation of 911 to come aircooled.
Purest will say you ruined the car, I say you saved it at the same time making it better. It can be corner balanced and handle just as good as it was before. Cost is what has kept me away from a great looking car now I see a fried egg in my future.
P Kuudsk the later aircooled engines were set very low in the rear to get the center of gravity lower to help the tail happiness of the 911. Now the center of gravity is higher than any 911 engine. He also decreased the value of the car he didn’t save it.
Great conversions! That 911 looks scary as those cars have a problem with lifting front ends and venting the radiator under the car just makes it even scarier.
There's no way I can afford a real 930, and a Singer is beyond out of the question. However, I hope to make a 911 SC with a 930 body kit and either an SBC or an LS1-LS3 a reality with Renegade Hybrids within the next 5 years.
Hi there. That looks like a nice swap going on. As a documentary maker myself, I would have liked to have had a slightly slower camera up/down into the guts a bit closer to see what was being talked about. Maybe next retime.
those tires aren't as bad as dan thinks they will be, sure a twin turbo v8 will smoke them, but they stick really well compared to others I've run and the best part about them is they are really good in the wet, not like 595s or re 003, dry and wet they are better from personal experience, and they don't take long to heat up nor do they seem to over heat try them guys, they are good to track / daily on
so is a set of 4 a set in stone thing since they're 1 off's I'm just wondering if it's possible if it could be a set of 5 rims so I have a matching spare wheel & of course I know more product means more money but I like to always buy my rims in 5
The dished prototipo might be a better choice for a 911 because you'll want to get that steeringwheel a little closer to you with the kind of snap oversteer that this car promises. Or shorten your legs.
I don't know that's a lot of air now being dumped under the front of the car creating more lift to a car already prone to it, it really should vent out the bonnet
Damn 80 lbs more but stiffer chassis and all the torque and power you would ever need. That in that 08 Cayman is like the greatest fucking car ever. I do wonder how much difference from also having a V motor instead of a flat makes. Probably not much lol.
its called capitalism he found a demand that enkei wasnt willing or able to supply, so he created one. besides, imitation is the best form of flattery. also its pretty hard to 'steal' a design considering he likely didnt have access to any of the original drafts. the style of the face itself is derivative and he admits it, but thats definitely not stealing.
The rad.. us Baltimore people call them RADeeeaterr the other guy calls it a radiator so do you call a rad for the first three letters I knew Baltimore speak and say RADeeeateer . Or is it race for short. Love all our accents in the Mericas
People would rather see it rot in a field than enjoy it's new life. sad.
A monster in the making . I have been an A&P mechanic for 26 years . Commercial jets , military aircraft and helicopters . But I love when people that know what they are doing , do this .
I don't think the commenters are mad enough yet, you should LS swap a Carrera GT
I like your style.
Awesome idea! I reckon they could turn drop a duramax into a Lexus LFA too or a K20 in a Murcielago. 2JZ S-class, anyone?
If it's done successfully and the owner enjoys the end result, what's the problem?
My dream is to swap the new porsche 911 turbo. That thing looks sick in black.
@Frank Ricard, I've always wanted to Duramax a Corniche lol
So weird, I JUST revisited the first video from 7 months ago looking for updates! I love this channel.
This guy's got great camera presence. Y'all should keep him around... and keep up with this awesome project.
Great update, love the idea of this project. Keep the vids coming on this!
914 with an LS! Now that would be an even more fun car to drive to a Porsche cars and coffee than my 65 fastback 😄
evan vukets that green 914 is my dads and it now had a LS3 and boxer S trans and a bunch of other parts to be a full track ready beast. I have a 914 with an Iron block 350 and 930 4 speed trans. Mine is as fast as a cayman Gt4
William Penturf do you have a build thread anywhere or an Instagram I can follow? Sounds like two amazing projects
Levi Betz there is one in the workshop during the video...
Great stuff. I want to see Renegade succeed at an inverse rate to the depreciation of 996 and 986 Porsches. At some point, I hope to meet both in the middle. Great video, great car! Looking forward to the future vids from this project!
Thank you! I'm so glad you guys did this.
What an awesome project!
Amazing swap the wheels look fantastic as well! I think there is nothing better than a bigger engine with a turbo slapped on done well.
I enjoyed watching this from start to finish
such a SICK car! with a proper power plant
Thats Rad...
Tasty Donuts..!! Nice job Renegade..!
I have a 74 911 targa and I’m totally going to do this
Can you get the LSses to rev as deliciously high as the stock Porsche engines?
Seeing as most Porsche engines rev out at 6500-8000 in stock form, which you specified, yes. It's really not that hard to make a rev happy small block of any flavor. Big bore, short stroke, proper balance, roller valvetrain, good tune, done. If you're in North America, tons of shops can do this for you. Easy peezy, lemon squeezey.
Dunno, from all I've seen they usually have a pretty steep fall-off of the torque curve from about 5000, 5500 rpms. Maybe the push rod valvetrains can't keep up that well (vs the usual DOHC in European cars)?
Of course they make more torque down low than the rev-happier engines, but the latter is just a type i enjoy more.
But yeah, I bet if someone knows what they're doing they can get them to rev as well, I've just yet to see one of those.
I'm based in Germany btw ;)
ls motors all rev pretty easily up past 6500. My 418 stroker made 550rwhp from 5800-6500 flat and still made above 540 at 6800. and i still had factory rockers and steel valves. maybe you are talking about old small blocks?
You're doing poor research if you think a small block can't rev. There's a lot them out there that can, no brand preference needed either. Ford, Mopar, and GM all have offerings able to make high power at high rpm. You can type 7000, 8000, or 9000 rpm small block into youtube, or just google for plenty of evidence. I understand not everyone loves them, but for compact power a well setup OHV small block is almost impossible to beat. No other engine will give you 400-500 whp as reliably. You being based in Germany would make all the difference, if you understood how low cost and ubiquitous the small block V8 was in North America, it would make even more sense. You think you can get a running gen 3 SBC, ford 5.0, or 5.7 Hemi for around $350 if you know where to look. Once you taste that sweet V8 nectar, it's difficult to go back.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't doubt it's possible, and I know there are ones revving pretty high. It's just that every dyno plot I've seen of them (even higher revving ones), they still had their max torque somewhere around 5000, 5500, and then that fell off, so the power curve flattened out or even decreased slightly, while Japanese or European engines seemed more usually to have less torque down low, but peak somewhere near their rev limit.
It's just another characteristic.
I love how the bigger displacement V8s sound at low rpms tho, and I wish you could get engines as cheaply here as you can in the US. On the other hand, you probably still wouldn't be allowed to run them here, but that's another topic xP
Cayman with an LS would be perfect
Dave wouldn't that radiator location create lift?
Possibly a little - mostly by allowing more air under the car. It would have been better to tilt the rad the other way and exit the hot air through the hood...but there's not really enough room to tilt the rad that way without it getting in the way of the fuel cell. But with the engine's centre of gravity a bit higher than the original flat 6 - and probably being a little heavier since it's not air cooled (and I'm no expert, but I _think_ all the 911s are air-cooled still)...I suspect it won't balance quite as well at the limit anyway. Traction should be good with those size tyres though, and you can make up for a slightly messed-up balance with that additional mechanical grip - right up to the point that you push just past the limits of the tyres (which is exactly what Porsche did with the earlier 911 Turbo/930 models - the so-called "Widowmaker" - when they discovered the problems of big power and speed combined with a rear engine layout), so no foul in that regard. It will be interesting to see how it does on the limit in a race situation - and I really don't want to see something all tail-happy and sideways. *crosses fingers that we get to see the end result*
Emerald012 yes it will... sw20 mr2s have that setup where radiator air flows under the car and anything above 180km/h feels pretty sketchy because the front end gets so light. ducting through the hood is a great way to improve downforce, i don't know why anyone would think that this is a good solution other than for convenience. I guess this car is just going to be for show?
+aussiebloke609 All 911's from the 996 onwards are watercooled, the 993 (the generation after the car in this video, which is a 964) was the last generation of 911 to come aircooled.
Thanks, mate - I can never keep them straight in my head. :-P
nice video! you should consider makin a vid driving the red porche doing couple pulls, would be dope. keep it up! 👌💯
movie videos on this car love it the 5.3 is sick
Wait, what was the story on that Esprit at the end?
Purest will say you ruined the car, I say you saved it at the same time making it better. It can be corner balanced and handle just as good as it was before. Cost is what has kept me away from a great looking car now I see a fried egg in my future.
M not purist, but now it will be tail heavy AND TOP heavy.
Andrew Jackson wrong! Haha
Yeah I'm thinking 996 with a dart ls 452 or so spinning 8-9k buahah! What a beast. Have your monstrous cake, your revs and eat it.
P Kuudsk the later aircooled engines were set very low in the rear to get the center of gravity lower to help the tail happiness of the 911. Now the center of gravity is higher than any 911 engine. He also decreased the value of the car he didn’t save it.
Great conversions! That 911 looks scary as those cars have a problem with lifting front ends and venting the radiator under the car just makes it even scarier.
There's no way I can afford a real 930, and a Singer is beyond out of the question. However, I hope to make a 911 SC with a 930 body kit and either an SBC or an LS1-LS3 a reality with Renegade Hybrids within the next 5 years.
Hi there. That looks like a nice swap going on. As a documentary maker myself, I would have liked to have had a slightly slower camera up/down into the guts a bit closer to see what was being talked about. Maybe next retime.
This is like the forth video today I have heard "so much room for activities" not by just you guys lol. That phrase is spreading like wildfire
I'd imagine a Boxster LS swap from these guys would be fine for Rhd given it's mid engine! This could be what I've been waiting for!!!
That Por is rad. That fuel ce is rad. That paint co is rad.
This video is rad
Driver at The end 🔥🔥🔥🔥
has moving the radiator down made it lower than the highest part of the water system on the engine?
.....😍😍😍😍😍 sweet vid guys!!!
love those sacrilegious swaps!
Drink game : Every time he says `Rad` and `Fab` have one shot. you will be wasted by the first 4 minutes.
That radiator and its placement are very cool. Please show us the lines they run to and from it. Also, is the transaxle in this the OEM 911?
It does look like a stock Porsche G50 transaxle. These things are totally overbuild and can probably handle the LS.
Indeed guys...if you go back in the SA videos, you can see the engine and transaxle on a stand in my garage.
those tires aren't as bad as dan thinks they will be, sure a twin turbo v8 will smoke them, but they stick really well compared to others I've run
and the best part about them is they are really good in the wet, not like 595s or re 003, dry and wet they are better from personal experience, and they don't take long to heat up nor do they seem to over heat
try them guys, they are good to track / daily on
why no hood extraction? wouldnt that actualy help down force?
that air exit out the bottom will decrease down force, yes?
SO MUCH ROOM FOR ACTIVITIES
so is a set of 4 a set in stone thing since they're 1 off's I'm just wondering if it's possible if it could be a set of 5 rims so I have a matching spare wheel & of course I know more product means more money but I like to always buy my rims in 5
Mike McCabe Certainly possible. Send us an email at www.augmentwheels.com
totally rad, rad!!
The dished prototipo might be a better choice for a 911 because you'll want to get that steeringwheel a little closer to you with the kind of snap oversteer that this car promises. Or shorten your legs.
What kind of Widebody is this? OEM Turbo or something?
Could this do a wheelie???
Will this work in an awd Porsche?
I don't know that's a lot of air now being dumped under the front of the car creating more lift to a car already prone to it, it really should vent out the bonnet
Interesting to see what the lotus is for
beautiful car
Damn 80 lbs more but stiffer chassis and all the torque and power you would ever need. That in that 08 Cayman is like the greatest fucking car ever.
I do wonder how much difference from also having a V motor instead of a flat makes.
Probably not much lol.
Wow. Talk about hot fuel... That thing is going to have some real vapor lock problems.
More on that lotus?
Does the audio cut in and out for anyone else?
more v8 911 !
You should have taken Škoda 120 system.
LS everything.
Sick!
Cant wait
Awesome!
all the TRIGGERED Porsche fan boiz LMAO
That's not gonna just be loud, that's gonna be fuckin loud.
bonkers
I don't understand why people use "value tires" on expensive cars. Why risk it on tires when car costs hell lot more?
Lets count how many times we hear "RAD".
qq whats with the neon tie strap?
To remember to put oil lines (or oil in) - or some cooling line
It's to keep the car from doing a back-flip off the hoist (not kidding)
You don't wanna be rear ended in that car!
really neglecting Connie! where's the Connie updates!?
Nice
Been waiting forever! Not liking "rad" for radiator.
HVAC ? high voltage A/C ?
i think you mean ... flux capacitor
"I stole the design of an Enkei RPF1"
wow, cool.
I like to use the term improved upon...or even "Augmented"
I didn't know I could buy RPF1s in a 5x130 bolt pattern
its called capitalism
he found a demand that enkei wasnt willing or able to supply, so he created one. besides, imitation is the best form of flattery.
also its pretty hard to 'steal' a design considering he likely didnt have access to any of the original drafts. the style of the face itself is derivative and he admits it, but thats definitely not stealing.
They don't really look like RPF1 copies. Just a split six-spoke design 3-piece wheel.
also, the design of Enkei RPF1s which denotes "Replica Formula 1" , is very literally derivative to begin with, being inspired by Formula 1 rims
nice to hear some english speaking guys pronouncing Porsche right :D
The Porka looks crusty on the underside.
what is the advantage of the angled Raditator/interrcooler?
It Fits
that tie strap to hold the car is sketchy...
MWHAAAA HAAHAA LS SWAP THE WORLD!!!!!!
Sacrilege,these guys going to hell haha. Cool swap though.
This guys out douche’s the camera guy, I’m in disbelief.
It's not a "rad". It's called a radiator....
FUCKKKKKKK NEED THAT 911
Rear tires too narrow.
The rad.. us Baltimore people call them RADeeeaterr the other guy calls it a radiator so do you call a rad for the first three letters I knew Baltimore speak and say RADeeeateer . Or is it race for short. Love all our accents in the Mericas
He says "rad" and "fab"
The salt must flow...
What’s the point
Finnaly
Is that tj brz?
To all the purists They're really just a Volkswagen with a 6 cylinder engine so no great loss.
And where are mufflers and catalyst. How this can be legal?
Stop saying rad! It's a radiator or heat exchanger, not a "rad". If he's smart enough to design and make his own wheels, he should know better.
If you are going to steal their design, at least pronounce the name of the company properly........ it's pronounced NK not inkie
this would be so much cooler with the boxer engine.
That car is worth 2K, hahahahah
On what planet?
@@speedacademy is it 427 in it
I like what you are doing , but stop saying "Rad". It takes away from your credibility. You are not a teenager anymore...
say radiator! you sound like a fool "the rad" "the rad" "the rad"
A ton of work to make the car worse in every single way.
Only way this swap could make sense is if they put some drag radials on it.
LS swapping a Porsche... wtf.
They're really just a Volkswagen with a 6 cylinder engine so no great loss.
this is blasphemy and swaps on Porsches should be banned
They're really just a Volkswagon with a 6 cylinder engine so no great loss.
Putting a V-8 in a 911 is an abomination!😡😡
They're really just a Volkswagon with a 6 cylinder engine so no great loss.
Great wheels, terrible engine.