Seymour Duncan JB vs DiMarzio Tone Zone
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- Using two LTD EC1000T guitars that are equal in every way other than the pickup in the bridge. White guitar has Duncan JB and Black guitar has DiMarzio Tone Zone. Played on Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister and Orange Tiny Terror. Which is better? using ghs strings 10-52
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LOL with THAT much gain it doesn't matter WHAT Pickups you have
Thanks for the comment and sharing your opinion. However it does matter what pickups you have because of feedback or the amount of high end and muddled sounds. The clarity is nothing to be overlooked when there’s a lot of gain.
I've been playing guitar for thirty five years, and in my time I've seen the evolution of gain from a very historical perspective. First of all, your pickups may matter even more when you utilize as much gain as Sam does in his video. I consider both the JB and the Tone Zone subpar for handling these levels of cascading, compressed gain. The JB is too trebly and the exaggerated EQ of the Tone Zone (that's a DiMarzio trademark, the tweaked EQ) make these pups inadequate to handle the gain. This is why I recommend nothing less than an EMG 81. Remember, your pickups and your amp are in dialogue with each other. The EMG, being an active pickup, has an internal preamp that offers compression with low mids and maximum clarity with heavy gain. Besides the internal preamp another advantage of the 81 is it's duel rail design. Underneath the epoxy sealed cap it looks more like a Duncan Slug, Jupiter, Dimebucker, Bill Lawrence, DiMarzio X2N/D Activator X, or a Joe Barton. Rails have the advantage of higher fidelity string bends due to a more constant magnetic field. This is one reason players such as Joe Perry and Danny Gatton have used Bill Lawrences and Joe Bartons. When you add to the mix the ceramic mag of the 81 which the Alnico 5 JB and Tone Zone are missing it only adds to the clarity of the 81 with a high gain amp. I have nothing against Alnico mags, but they are not the clearest when it comes to high gain. Ceramic will always win, hands down. It's a law of physics.
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They both sound equally like shit because there shouldn't be any effect pedals in the chain in pickup demos!!
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It would be so much easier to really distinguish which pick up is better if only your tone was more carefully dialed. A lot less gain on both the overdrive and the amp would clear up a lot of that fuzz and it would probably sound killer 🤘🏻
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LOL..they both sound like a thousand pissed off hornets in a tin can..
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Dude I have to give you props on the way you respond to all these crazy comments and opinions going in every direction, you are truly a gentleman. 🤘🏼✌🏼
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I honestly don't think it matters what pickup you use in this situation. Whatever you call....that.
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That's an impressive collection of guitars and gear. Just need a metronome ;)
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I would say that you should have a much simpler signal chain, like going directly into the amp with no pedals and then into either an IR or a cab and mic the cab up. It seems that the mic you used to record this kind of cuts the top end from the sound which makes the comparison a little unfair to both pickups. Nice attempt at demoing though, I recently tried a Tone Zone on an Ibanez and JB is favorite humbucker for the last 6 years or so.
Cool for the insight and sharing your preference.
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the dimarzio seemed to sound fatter and the JB had more articulation, personally with that much gain I would probably pick the JB as the tone zone was pretty muddy, for lower gain stuff I would use the tone zone. something cool to try is a 250k pot with a JB, it smoothes off the top end and sounds killer for classic rock, maybe not for metal though. cheers for the video
Thanks for the comment and advice to help out the JB
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Tone zone sound really good, thanks for the video. Greetings from Argentina.
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The JB seems to have more character. Would like to see a variety of tones compared.
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I prefer the sh4. More clearer but still full sounding. If you like the fatness of the Tone Zone, try the sh8 invader, it's way better. Thanks for the demo, and excuse my english!
Really I have never tried out the invader. I will have to check it out sometime.
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gorgeous guitars!
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To be honnest I have several guitars with EMG 8& 60 ( Jim root telecaster) , Dimarzio d activator which is a lot more power full than the Ton Zone and SH2-SH4 , the best pick up for me is the SH4 good clean sound and great overdrive
Thanks for the comment. I never had a chance to try the d activator. Is it really tight and powerful?
@@hangingdeadguy1 Yes it is but again not good in clean sound ..
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Dactivator is great . one of my all time favorite brutal pickups. JB is nice , especially down tuned , but can get a little nasally on mid focused guitars in higher registers . Its a great rock pickup because of its mid push .
On average, manufacturers, be they of guitar, pickups, amps, drums, basses, microphones, whatever, are often behind the curve because music goes where it will and won't wait around for Sonor to make better drums or Jackson to build the right kind of guitar. If you look at the catalogue for manufacturers, you will see how far behind most of them were. The reason I love EMGs so much is that they represent one of the few times in history where a manufacturer was actually AHEAD of the curve. The same with Mesa Boogie. Both companies recognized two valuable realities others were missing: players wanted headroom. With Boogie it was getting a big sound into a little box, as they began with combos, and creating maximum headroom. Carlos Santana began using Boogies for the same reason I did. I know this is not a very metal thing to say, but I also wanted to save my hearing. I wanted to get the maximum crunch and dynamics at a much lower volume. Carlos basically wanted his guitar to sing like it would from a cranked up Marshall but at a lower volume back in the early 70s. I won't go through the whole Boogie story here as it's easy to find right here on TH-cam, but a lot of professionals wanted Boogies for the same reasons. They were a LOT easier to record with in the studio, more roadworthy than Marshalls, and extremely versatile, and could get dynamics at any volume. This is also what makes EMGs so great. When you pair EMGs and Boogies you get one hell of a sound, as Metallica, Lukather, and countless others have discovered. The Rockman, created with the genius of Boston's Tom Scholz, is another piece of wizardry. While I consider it more of a compression box than all out preamp, it helped get this exaggerated intensity players were after. I've owned one and can attest to how fun it was to use. I don't use it anymore because it's not the sound I'm looking for, but it helped players get ahead an extra mile, and was often used in the studio, often with lower gain amps like the Fender Princeton and Bassman and helped nail that guitar solo for the Captain Crunch commercial or whatever else session players needed to get done and fast. Another creation that helped players go the extra mile was the Floyd Rose. It was the first truly feasible locking trem. I have one guitar that has one now, but in the 80s I must have had ten of them at one time, mostly Kramers, Charvels, an ESP, and several kit guitars made of either Chandler or Warmoth parts. These days I'm more simple and use the trem sparingly, more like David Gilmour. A guitar I consider a real milestone is the Jackson soloist, particularly as it catered to high speed metal dynamics. You had a neck thru with a Floyd, and either two humbuckers or a humbucker and two single coils. Variations of this design were made for players as diverse as Jeff Beck and Steve Vai. But it was Kramer got put the Floyd Rose system in the hands of more players than any other company. They were priced right, well made, had great necks, and featured the Floyd and Seymour Duncan pickups. I would pop out the Duncans for DiMarzios, till I discovered EMGs beat them both hands down and switch to those instead. One reason Duncans and then EMGs got popular is they were not noisy like a lot of Dimarzios and stock humbuckers due to Duncan's consistent wax potting and EMGs active circuitry, etc. The next step up in guitars after Kramer's popularization of the Floyd Rose system was Ibanez's introduction of the RG series, including the JEM which is basically a modified RG. They featured 24 frets, a fast, slim neck, tapered neck joint, and the Ibanez Edge system which is the best floating locking trem system ever created. It totally one-ups the Floyd, in that it was made for a recessed cavity to pull up octaves, something popularized by players like Vai. I even had a recessed cavity done on a Kramer Baretta which only worked so well because the saddles of the Floyd, unlike the Edge, would dampen the strings when you pulled back too far. The saddles of the Edge are MADE for pulling octaves. Ibanez and the RG pushed extreme shredding to new levels while other companies, from Kramer to Jackson/Charvel and Hamer all played catch-up. To sum it up, all it takes is one little tweak to get ahead of the curve, or at least, ahead of the market. Ibanez now appears poised, with Fender, to overtake Gibson, which is terrible shape as a company. For like Harley-Davidson, Gibson decided to be the guitar company of the well-heeled weekend warrior, who can drop five grand on a Les Paul but can't play it any better than Mary Ford. It pays to cater to players, not poseurs.
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@Angus Orvid Well,.....never mind...
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Turn the gain down so we can hear the pickups
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Perhaps 5 more pedals?!
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Sam Morris sorry, I guess you wanted review the guitars. But perhaps try it like this: 1) clean 2) Overdrive 3) distorted 4...) country, Blues, few styles at the end you can freak out with your pedals
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Would have helped if you had played something that didn't sound like tortured cats fucking. Still appreciate you taking the time to make video. Nice guitar collection 👌 🤘
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so.... basically the tone zone seemed to have more bass and treble and less mids. while the jb had mire mid-range? anyone?
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Would DMZ's Super-Distortion or SD's SH10 be better for this application?
The Tone Zone seemed to handle it fine, but talk about JB abuse!
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I honestly don’t know, I have never used the SH10, but I imagine it would have a lot of high end. The super distortion I have used for a short while years ago in a Les Paul. I was initially inspired by the sound and how it changed my guitar tone. But I later found it to be too harsh for my taste. I prefer the tone zone and air zone
You're asking the wrong guy. He can't even play anything but a low D palm muted, 2 power chord riff with like 100 pinch harmonics. How would we know about tone? Pickups? He just has gear that he has no idea how to use.
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I use DiMarzio Tone Zone with DiMarzio Crusers in middle and neck position on my Fender Strat after about a month of comparison with different pick ups and every brand hands down DiMarzio beat them all and teamed together with 2 different DiMarzio like I did Strat went from ordinary to a beast only guitar I play now
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I deff prefer the warmer Dimarzio unit.
Thanks for the clip !
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I prefer the dimarzio as well....dimarzios in general to me have a more open high end than seymours do, imo. Can always hear myself more clearly in a band situation with a dimarzio and they also seem to sit in the mix better to me. The dimarzio "air" series of pups (...air Norton etc....) have nice open top end. A newer "sleeper" dimarzio that I love is the 36 anniv PAF "Master" (not to be confused with the reg 36th anniv paf...)...that Master is my go-to humbucker replacement upgrade. They quietly snuck it into their lineup about 2 years ago. Thx for the video.
+livingabovethe12th thank you for the great comment and sharing the information about the new dimarzio ‘master’ pickup.
I guess I’m the oddball here but I dig the jb. I keep wanting to give Dimarzio a fair shot and every time sd just destroys em in my opinion. I guess like that mid range and snarl that the jb has.
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That’s cool man. I’m happy that you’re your own person and like what you like.
The Tone Zone sounds amazing for rhythm and has very good armonics. The JB has more definition. I prefer The Tone Zone
Thanks for the comment and I agree with you I prefer the tone zone
The JB is better suited to any LP style guitar. The Tone Zone is too muddy in mahogany, but it absolutely kills in a brighter sounding guitar.
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with that much gain and crackling you could have a bee hive for a pickup and it would be better sounding . These kids are lost these days i swear
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Man you have nice guitars, love your tone.
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It's funny that people buy a pickup for the name. It's all in your fingers.
Thanks for the comment and I agree. Some pickups don’t vibe well with me
Amp sound is tooooo fuzzy!!!
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For his défense I beleive his phone microphone wasnt good enough . im sure the real sound is a lot better :)
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nahh. little bit fizzy it's cool. if not, it's shrill
Tone Zone definitely got that punch in your Demo. I own a Super Distortion, SD JB and Tone Zone, GFS Loudmouth all on different guitars. And I love all of them.
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Play the same thing when comparing. Based on that... the Tone Zone stomped all over the JB.
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Tone Zone cut through slightly louder and more defined than the JB, it seems to have more high definition.
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Tone Zone !
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Neither pup are really designed for downtuning. The JB was pretty much THE passive hard rock/metal pup of the 80s and it does that very well. The problem with the JB at the time was that you could not get good low end and high end out of it at the same time. The Tone Zone, with a very DiMarzio tweaked EQ going on, fixes this problem. The thing is, many find it too bassy. I say if you set the amp right it's easier to get the best of both worlds with the TZ than the JB. Personally, I prefer the JB because I don't use thrash levels of low end. But my main pickup for years has been the EMG 81, with the 85 a close second. You can't beat EMGs if you want the whole enchilada. EMGs give you massive range and headroom, and there are all sorts of tone and decibel boosters you can use if you want to expand it even further. EMGs are not simply pickups but a whole sound system that lives in your guitar. A lot of players like Petrucci are already using things like 20 decibel active booster circuits, even if they use passive pickups as he does with all of his signature DiMarzios. I think most players who keep changing pups would save a LOT of time and money if they'd just use EMGs. They're absolutely incredible and NOTHING beats them for metal. Nothing gets the same level of sustain, harmonic sensitivity, clarity, and sheer range.
Cool thanks for sharing. I’m personally not a big fan of EMG but I understand where you are coming from. Have you ever tried the Seymour Duncan blackout set? I prefer those for active pickups. Thanks for the comment
@@hangingdeadguy1 Yes. A friend of mine has a whole bunch of axes with Duncans and while they make some decent pickups I find the Blackouts to be very muddy compared to EMGs. I think the original LiveWires are very good and the sound samples of the Mustaine LiveWires sound great. I'm just very much sold on the EMG sound. They do exactly what I want a pickup to do.
That’s cool man. Thanks for responding. Have you ever tried the EMG 57/66 or HETSET?
@@hangingdeadguy1 I've tried on 57 on a friend's ax and loved it. Not tried the Het Set yet.
That’s cool. I hope you get a chance sometime soon but I think you would find it a bit muddy. Thanks for sharing
They literally sound the same with that amp cranked to all hell.
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Dimarzio si My favorite
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Your playing makes me want to psychologically analyze it but I will refrain. Anyhow something sounds blown out maybe the speakers are getting overpowered or there bad tubes I'm not sure.
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Sounds terrible... 😂 Sry.
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I can’t tell if this guy needs medication or, if he already took too much.
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I’m just messing with you. Not being serious. Lol
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Umm...too muddy. The JB kills that tone zone tho.
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JB win for me
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So muddy I can’t hear the difference
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They both sound dark
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Liked the dimarzios better
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The tone zone is a good pickup but not as good as the SH4 JB wich has a much better clean sound and great definition in high gain, you ll find here a relevant video on how you could sound with a SH4 th-cam.com/video/SYqM_cIPzWM/w-d-xo.html
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Hey man all I can hear is dogs barking
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Too much gain too make any difference!!!
Back off the gain & put some midrange into your tone setup & it's going to improve everything you hear!!!!
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2 much gain. try playing clean 1st, then kick the gain
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Wasted 5minutes in TH-cam. Cool looking guitars however.
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Can't hear anything over the gain holy fahk
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White noise and a lot of BS
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Tone Zone ... better; more distnict sound.
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Several minutes of my life I'll never get back. If you're going to demo, don't play that crap.
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Nice guitars. 0 skills my god. Practice first meyt!
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Lay off the drugs-
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They both sound like crap. It could be the guitarist though.
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Shite
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Dude pleeze. No LTD junk is ever going to be a Gibson LP, NOT EVER. They are "ok" for what they are {junk}, but they will never play or sound as good as a Gibson. Just look at the resale market, it tells you all you need to know about how well they hold their value. They are also a dime a dozen. Good first guitar, until you can save up for a real one {Gibson}.
Thanks for the comment. I have a proper les Paul and it’s awesome but the LTDs are a good thing for a whole lot less money
LTD's are guitars beginners buy and think they're metal. Clearly compensating his shit tone and skill with buying all these gear that he doesn't even deserve lol. I can't believe he has Les Paul too...It's like owning a Ferrari when you don't even know how to drive.
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