Dear Pastor Skip Heitzig, after listening to your teaching (December 2020) I glanced through the comments below, and was amazed. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14). I found your teaching to be clear, faith promoting, and (according to my beliefs) true and Scripturally sound. Thank you so much.
1. In the actual Hebrew it uses past tense not future 2. In the actual Hebrew it uses young woman not virgin. 3. In Isaiah 8:4 it says “For before the boy knows how to say 'My father' or 'My mother,' the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria." This boy is Hezekiah not Jesus.
@Christopher Harle 1of2 Hypothetically, if people in the comments are the ones with spiritual discernment and you're the one who's spiritually blind, how would you come to recognize that fact? Or would you?
In context Isaiah is speaking about a specific young woman who will become pregnant during the life time of Isaiah and King Ahaz. A miraculous virgin birth that supposedly took place over 560 years later would be irrelevant to Ahaz, who required a sign prior to an imminent military invasion. Christians attempt to avoid this problem by claiming that this is a “double level prophesy” that happens both during the time of Ahaz and again in the time of Jesus. If Christians want to believe that the word Almah means a virgin and simultaneously claim a “double level prophesy” they would have to believe that a virgin birth took place in the time of Ahaz. However, this never occurred and would also contradict the claim that Jesus’ virgin birth is unique. The sign mentioned in verse 14 to Ahaz is that the two kings who threatened King Ahaz would be destroyed quickly. This sign is described in the next verse: “before the child knows enough to refuse evil and choose good the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken” Isaiah 7:15 It is fulfilled in the next chapter with the birth of a child to the prophet Isaiah: “he (Isaiah) approached the prophetess and she conceived (tahar) and bore (taled) a son and God said to me: Name the child “Maher-shalal-hash-baz” which means (the spoil speeds the prey hastens). For before the child shall know how to cry my father my mother the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Sammaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.” Isaiah 8:4 Clearly, the woman mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and 8:3-4 are one and the same and that she is Isaiah’s wife. The real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly and before he matures (knowing the difference between good and evil and father and mother) the nations who threaten the Kingdom of Judea will be defeated. Interestingly, Isaiah’s children are specifically referred to as a “signs” from God. “Behold I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel.” Isaiah 8:18 King Ahaz was told to trust in G-d for assistance and to ask for a sign as proof that his enemies would be defeated. He is told that the sign will be the birth of a child from the young woman who will call the child (Immanuel -עמנואל).[4] Although this name mean ‘God is with us” it does not mean that the child will be divine. It is very common for biblical personality to have names that include God and part of their name. For example, (Daniel -דניאל) means “God is my Judge.” The implication was that G-d would be with Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah in their fight against their enemies. Isaiah refers to this when he says, “Contrive a scheme, but it will be foiled; conspire a plot, but it will not stand, for God is with us (Emanu El).” Isaiah 8:10 Eventually the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Aram-Syria are vanquished by the armies of Sennacherib King of Assyria (Babylon) who exiled the northern kingdom, “The king of Assyria invaded the entire country… the king of Assyria captured Samaria and exiled Israel” 2 Kings 17:5-6 “Thus God saved Hezikiah (son of Ahaz) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib King of Assyria.” 2 Chronicles 32:22 The concept of a virgin birth preceded Christianity and has its roots in Greco-Roman mythology. Numerous Greek and Roman gods were born of virgin births, as recorded in the “Golden Bough” by Frazer, for example Tammus and Attis who both were claimed to be of virgin births. The concept of the virgin birth was adopted by Christianity from the pagan world and has no foundation in Judaism. Isaiah is clearly describing an event that has no Messianic connotations. In fact, the word Messiah is never used in this chapter.
"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel." ⭐️⭐️ -Isaiah 7:14
In context Isaiah is speaking about a specific young woman who will become pregnant during the life time of Isaiah and King Ahaz. A miraculous virgin birth that supposedly took place over 560 years later would be irrelevant to Ahaz, who required a sign prior to an imminent military invasion. Christians attempt to avoid this problem by claiming that this is a “double level prophesy” that happens both during the time of Ahaz and again in the time of Jesus. If Christians want to believe that the word Almah means a virgin and simultaneously claim a “double level prophesy” they would have to believe that a virgin birth took place in the time of Ahaz. However, this never occurred and would also contradict the claim that Jesus’ virgin birth is unique. The sign mentioned in verse 14 to Ahaz is that the two kings who threatened King Ahaz would be destroyed quickly. This sign is described in the next verse: “before the child knows enough to refuse evil and choose good the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken” Isaiah 7:15 It is fulfilled in the next chapter with the birth of a child to the prophet Isaiah: “he (Isaiah) approached the prophetess and she conceived (tahar) and bore (taled) a son and God said to me: Name the child “Maher-shalal-hash-baz” which means (the spoil speeds the prey hastens). For before the child shall know how to cry my father my mother the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Sammaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.” Isaiah 8:4 Clearly, the woman mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and 8:3-4 are one and the same and that she is Isaiah’s wife. The real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly and before he matures (knowing the difference between good and evil and father and mother) the nations who threaten the Kingdom of Judea will be defeated. Interestingly, Isaiah’s children are specifically referred to as a “signs” from God. “Behold I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel.” Isaiah 8:18 King Ahaz was told to trust in G-d for assistance and to ask for a sign as proof that his enemies would be defeated. He is told that the sign will be the birth of a child from the young woman who will call the child (Immanuel -עמנואל).[4] Although this name mean ‘God is with us” it does not mean that the child will be divine. It is very common for biblical personality to have names that include God and part of their name. For example, (Daniel -דניאל) means “God is my Judge.” The implication was that G-d would be with Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah in their fight against their enemies. Isaiah refers to this when he says, “Contrive a scheme, but it will be foiled; conspire a plot, but it will not stand, for God is with us (Emanu El).” Isaiah 8:10 Eventually the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Aram-Syria are vanquished by the armies of Sennacherib King of Assyria (Babylon) who exiled the northern kingdom, “The king of Assyria invaded the entire country… the king of Assyria captured Samaria and exiled Israel” 2 Kings 17:5-6 “Thus God saved Hezikiah (son of Ahaz) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib King of Assyria.” 2 Chronicles 32:22 The concept of a virgin birth preceded Christianity and has its roots in Greco-Roman mythology. Numerous Greek and Roman gods were born of virgin births, as recorded in the “Golden Bough” by Frazer, for example Tammus and Attis who both were claimed to be of virgin births. The concept of the virgin birth was adopted by Christianity from the pagan world and has no foundation in Judaism. Isaiah is clearly describing an event that has no Messianic connotations. In fact, the word Messiah is never used in this chapter.
@@denzelvalentino8992 What indicates that it is a dual prophecy? How do we know it’s not a triple or quadruple prophecy? And if it’s a dual prophecy, who was the virgin from 700 years prior to Jesus?
Jacob's only daughter, DINAH... was a YOUNG woman victim of rape but still, she was called "ALMAH."... Therefore, regardless virgin or not, the Hebrew word "ALMAH" means a female that is still "YOUNG," of age... perhaps below 21 Years old... A young girl victim of rape is still called "ALMAH" in Hebrew... even if she was raped (non-virgin)...
Look that the prophecy of Isaiah had been already debunked as non-prophecy. Isaiah 7:14 says "ALMAH HARAH YOLEDET" which means "young woman / pregnant / is about to give birth" - ALMAH never means "virgin" (which is BETULAH) - HARAH never means "will conceive" because not only isn't future tense, but it's not a verb at all, it's an adjective meaning "pregnant" (and a pregnant woman has ALREADY conceived) - YOLEDET is a participle that means "is about to give birth" There's no Mary nor Immanuel in this verse. The young woman was Abi / Abiya, wife of Ahaz king of Judah, and she named the child Hezekiah (or Ezekias). The verse of Isaiah narrates the hope upon this newborn, heir to the kingdom, to free the people from the yoke of the Assyrians once he would have become the king. It's in the 2nd book of the King. It never mentioned Jesus. It's just in your head, always faulty of stupid interpretations!
I would certainly hope not. Jesus is the I AM. He is 100% human and 100% God. I pray that you gain full understanding of the scripture. I'm here if you need me.
Amen 🙏 blessed 🙌 thank you sir
Dear Pastor Skip Heitzig, after listening to your teaching (December 2020) I glanced through the comments below, and was amazed. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14). I found your teaching to be clear, faith promoting, and (according to my beliefs) true and Scripturally sound. Thank you so much.
1. In the actual Hebrew it uses past tense not future
2. In the actual Hebrew it uses young woman not virgin.
3. In Isaiah 8:4 it says “For before the boy knows how to say 'My father' or 'My mother,' the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria." This boy is Hezekiah not Jesus.
@Christopher Harle 1of2 Hypothetically, if people in the comments are the ones with spiritual discernment and you're the one who's spiritually blind, how would you come to recognize that fact? Or would you?
Maybe it’s because he’s wrong
In context Isaiah is speaking about a specific young woman who will become pregnant during the life time of Isaiah and King Ahaz. A miraculous virgin birth that supposedly took place over 560 years later would be irrelevant to Ahaz, who required a sign prior to an imminent military invasion.
Christians attempt to avoid this problem by claiming that this is a “double level prophesy” that happens both during the time of Ahaz and again in the time of Jesus. If Christians want to believe that the word Almah means a virgin and simultaneously claim a “double level prophesy” they would have to believe that a virgin birth took place in the time of Ahaz. However, this never occurred and would also contradict the claim that Jesus’ virgin birth is unique.
The sign mentioned in verse 14 to Ahaz is that the two kings who threatened King Ahaz would be destroyed quickly. This sign is described in the next verse: “before the child knows enough to refuse evil and choose good the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken” Isaiah 7:15
It is fulfilled in the next chapter with the birth of a child to the prophet Isaiah: “he (Isaiah) approached the prophetess and she conceived (tahar) and bore (taled) a son and God said to me: Name the child “Maher-shalal-hash-baz” which means (the spoil speeds the prey hastens). For before the child shall know how to cry my father my mother the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Sammaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.” Isaiah 8:4
Clearly, the woman mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and 8:3-4 are one and the same and that she is Isaiah’s wife. The real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly and before he matures (knowing the difference between good and evil and father and mother) the nations who threaten the Kingdom of Judea will be defeated. Interestingly, Isaiah’s children are specifically referred to as a “signs” from God.
“Behold I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel.” Isaiah 8:18
King Ahaz was told to trust in G-d for assistance and to ask for a sign as proof that his enemies would be defeated. He is told that the sign will be the birth of a child from the young woman who will call the child (Immanuel -עמנואל).[4] Although this name mean ‘God is with us” it does not mean that the child will be divine. It is very common for biblical personality to have names that include God and part of their name. For example, (Daniel -דניאל) means “God is my Judge.” The implication was that G-d would be with Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah in their fight against their enemies.
Isaiah refers to this when he says, “Contrive a scheme, but it will be foiled; conspire a plot, but it will not stand, for God is with us (Emanu El).” Isaiah 8:10 Eventually the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Aram-Syria are vanquished by the armies of Sennacherib King of Assyria (Babylon) who exiled the northern kingdom, “The king of Assyria invaded the entire country… the king of Assyria captured Samaria and exiled Israel” 2 Kings 17:5-6
“Thus God saved Hezikiah (son of Ahaz) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib King of Assyria.” 2 Chronicles 32:22 The concept of a virgin birth preceded Christianity and has its roots in Greco-Roman mythology. Numerous Greek and Roman gods were born of virgin births, as recorded in the “Golden Bough” by Frazer, for example Tammus and Attis who both were claimed to be of virgin births. The concept of the virgin birth was adopted by Christianity from the pagan world and has no foundation in Judaism.
Isaiah is clearly describing an event that has no Messianic connotations. In fact, the word Messiah is never used in this chapter.
"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel." ⭐️⭐️
-Isaiah 7:14
In context Isaiah is speaking about a specific young woman who will become pregnant during the life time of Isaiah and King Ahaz. A miraculous virgin birth that supposedly took place over 560 years later would be irrelevant to Ahaz, who required a sign prior to an imminent military invasion.
Christians attempt to avoid this problem by claiming that this is a “double level prophesy” that happens both during the time of Ahaz and again in the time of Jesus. If Christians want to believe that the word Almah means a virgin and simultaneously claim a “double level prophesy” they would have to believe that a virgin birth took place in the time of Ahaz. However, this never occurred and would also contradict the claim that Jesus’ virgin birth is unique.
The sign mentioned in verse 14 to Ahaz is that the two kings who threatened King Ahaz would be destroyed quickly. This sign is described in the next verse: “before the child knows enough to refuse evil and choose good the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken” Isaiah 7:15
It is fulfilled in the next chapter with the birth of a child to the prophet Isaiah: “he (Isaiah) approached the prophetess and she conceived (tahar) and bore (taled) a son and God said to me: Name the child “Maher-shalal-hash-baz” which means (the spoil speeds the prey hastens). For before the child shall know how to cry my father my mother the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Sammaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.” Isaiah 8:4
Clearly, the woman mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 and 8:3-4 are one and the same and that she is Isaiah’s wife. The real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly and before he matures (knowing the difference between good and evil and father and mother) the nations who threaten the Kingdom of Judea will be defeated. Interestingly, Isaiah’s children are specifically referred to as a “signs” from God.
“Behold I and the children whom the Lord has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel.” Isaiah 8:18
King Ahaz was told to trust in G-d for assistance and to ask for a sign as proof that his enemies would be defeated. He is told that the sign will be the birth of a child from the young woman who will call the child (Immanuel -עמנואל).[4] Although this name mean ‘God is with us” it does not mean that the child will be divine. It is very common for biblical personality to have names that include God and part of their name. For example, (Daniel -דניאל) means “God is my Judge.” The implication was that G-d would be with Ahaz and the Kingdom of Judah in their fight against their enemies.
Isaiah refers to this when he says, “Contrive a scheme, but it will be foiled; conspire a plot, but it will not stand, for God is with us (Emanu El).” Isaiah 8:10 Eventually the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Aram-Syria are vanquished by the armies of Sennacherib King of Assyria (Babylon) who exiled the northern kingdom, “The king of Assyria invaded the entire country… the king of Assyria captured Samaria and exiled Israel” 2 Kings 17:5-6
“Thus God saved Hezikiah (son of Ahaz) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem from the hand of Sennacherib King of Assyria.” 2 Chronicles 32:22 The concept of a virgin birth preceded Christianity and has its roots in Greco-Roman mythology. Numerous Greek and Roman gods were born of virgin births, as recorded in the “Golden Bough” by Frazer, for example Tammus and Attis who both were claimed to be of virgin births. The concept of the virgin birth was adopted by Christianity from the pagan world and has no foundation in Judaism.
Isaiah is clearly describing an event that has no Messianic connotations. In fact, the word Messiah is never used in this chapter.
Read ALL of it .
It's a sign for King Ahaz
(700 years before Jesus)
It is a dual prophecy.
Read the 1st chapter of Matthew.
[ verses 22 & 23 ]
@@denzelvalentino8992 What indicates that it is a dual prophecy? How do we know it’s not a triple or quadruple prophecy? And if it’s a dual prophecy, who was the virgin from 700 years prior to Jesus?
@@avibenavraham : Study the scriptures of the Prophet ISAIAH who spoke this word of YHWH.
@@avibenavraham : It was a prophecy to King Ahaz and to ISRAREL concerning the coming of Jesus.
@@denzelvalentino8992 who was the virgin in the time of Ahab?
Jacob's only daughter, DINAH... was a YOUNG woman victim of rape but still, she was called "ALMAH."... Therefore, regardless virgin or not, the Hebrew word "ALMAH" means a female that is still "YOUNG," of age... perhaps below 21 Years old... A young girl victim of rape is still called "ALMAH" in Hebrew... even if she was raped (non-virgin)...
Your message is appreciated. Could you please provide the source for the story of the woman with tuberculosis whose life was saved by her pregnancy?
but Matthew 4:7 says ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ - so why are you interpreting the King's statement as if he does not trust God?
Young woman not virgin
Look that the prophecy of Isaiah had been already debunked as non-prophecy.
Isaiah 7:14 says "ALMAH HARAH YOLEDET" which means "young woman / pregnant / is about to give birth"
- ALMAH never means "virgin" (which is BETULAH)
- HARAH never means "will conceive" because not only isn't future tense, but it's not a verb at all, it's an adjective meaning "pregnant" (and a pregnant woman has ALREADY conceived)
- YOLEDET is a participle that means "is about to give birth"
There's no Mary nor Immanuel in this verse.
The young woman was Abi / Abiya, wife of Ahaz king of Judah, and she named the child Hezekiah (or Ezekias). The verse of Isaiah narrates the hope upon this newborn, heir to the kingdom, to free the people from the yoke of the Assyrians once he would have become the king.
It's in the 2nd book of the King.
It never mentioned Jesus. It's just in your head, always faulty of stupid interpretations!
🙏🙏🙏
Jesus didn't celebrate the tradition man made by man called Christmas.
I would certainly hope not. Jesus is the I AM. He is 100% human and 100% God. I pray that you gain full understanding of the scripture. I'm here if you need me.
@@Dr_Mike2 : Thank you.