@@phantomwalker8251. You are obviously a Yank . In Australia it's easy to find Areas where you are1500 km / 950 Miles away from Fuel . 300 litres is a good MINIMUM to have on board over here . 300 litres of Fuel = 250kg . Unlike the U.S. , there are actual genuine Trackless Wilderness areas here still . 1000 km in sny direction to reach Anything resembling a " settlement " .
Justin, I am one of those old school wheelers that never gave a damn about “them new fanged toys”. You have removed the mystery, thank you. Now a I just have to get away from my steel line and I’ll be in the 21st century.
synthetic line is WAAAAAY safer. I started out with steel on the TJ I used to have. if synthetic fails and you're in the path, it'll hurt like hell, but it won't kill you. (but stay out of the path regardless)
Justin King yup, ‘03 TJ... I guess that’s the path I am on. I have a newer winch with synthetic line, just not gotten around to mounting it. SO MANY other jobs on the old fellow. Long arm joints are next up, and CrMo axles are in a box. (Sigh, baby steps.)
I've seen steel line part, let me tell you this, the guy lost his leg and yes he was standing way back, that line whipped like you would not believe and just sliced his leg clean off. Brand new cable. should never had parted but did. Get you wench line replaced ASAP!
@@JustinKingOffroad I had a synthetic winch line break once while I was in its path. I was so scared I shit my pants, turned around and ran like hell. I'm damn fast, but not fast enough and the broke synthetic winch rope whipped me right up the ass crack before I could get away. In the end it all worked out though cause the rope wiped my ass for me nice and clean from shitting myself.
One definition! "A snatch block refers to a particular type of block. A snatch block has a side plate sometimes called a cheek plate, that can be opened for easy insertion of cable without having to remove the load or fittings from the end of the wire. The process of inserting a line into a block is called reeving, reeving is done with a pulley block most often with multiple sheaves (pulley wheels) that require the line to be threaded before an end or load is attached. Snatch blocks are often used in applications to move loads over short distances, as opposed to long lifts and continuous service. They are called snatch blocks because they are often used in conjunction with a winch in a recovery application, and can improve the functionality of a winch by increasing its pull power. It also allows you to change the direction of your winch’s cable when the anchor point is offset." Right or wrong that is what I was taught when I first got involved in offroading and taught about snatch blocks. The first actual thing I was told was "Learn how and prepare to get yourself out of trouble before you ever increase your ability to get into trouble with lifts and bigger tires."
@@zachkunkle6309 Just like all tires are wheels, not all wheels are tires. All sequoia are trees, not all trees are sequoia. All snatch blocks are pulleys, not all pulleys are snatch blocks. One is a specific item in a broad category the other is the broad category. Dare I say engine and motor...
Nice video and a good intro to the X-Lock. After working 32 years in the Fire Dept. I have treated many patients injured from loose equipment in their vehicles. I would suggest you secure your load or at the very least, install a partition net.
Wow I learned A LOT!!! I am now a weekend warrior 😂😂 multiple years Moab river guide and Park City ski patrol then 15yrs FF/Paramedic needless to say I have spent a lot of time outside after building a rig for Moab and now I’m outside Zion and do a lot of canyoneering. I burnt my first synthetic rope the other day on my 9500lb Ram. I can only give kudos to you!!! I obviously have most of what you have but the simplicity of your explanation really made me think about my situation and organization. I am truly grateful and openly humbled to know that I have a lot to learn. The other day dismounting 4 33x10.5r15 by hand I was praying that a good old boy would come by and tell me what I was doing wrong. (I have the stems patches ect) That didn’t happen but the next day I saw your video. Thank you for sharing the xlock is definitely a next on my list!
I'm outfitting my 04 expedition. Lots of room. I've owned 3 jeeps over the years. The older I get I really enjoy the creature comforts. Need the room. Great job.
Just FYI, Im not in the US but down under in OZ. But you comment on fire extinguishers hit home, my Landcruiser 100 recently burnt due to the battery exloading, yes Boom. The resulting engine bay fire took three 1kg (2.2 lbs) to put it out. I only carried one myself just happened to be in a situation where I had access to more. Short story, one is not that much better than none. I now carry a 2.5kg and a 1kg in my new rig. Hope this helps someone in the future.
Check out the Element E50 Fire Suppression, its 80% smaller and 5x the discharge time.. and its 275 grams vs 7 lbs... ABCK rated, and leaves no residue or corrosion on wires and metals like the normal kind. I just carry these now because they are easier to mount and use.
Snatch block is an open gate. Meaning you have to open/slide to fit the line onto the pulley. Pulley block is a closed gate. Meaning the pulley is enclosed and you have to feed/push/pull the line through it. Hope this helps
That’s a very well supplied ride. Nice array of items. That X-Block is cool but so very expensive. Now to get two fiddle blocks. Add some clear packing tape in the event you crack or break glass. It’s less obtrusive than duct tape on the windshield or mirrors. Love that front bumper. A small bright green one side, bright orange other side synthetic ground cloth for laying tools on and for signaling comes in handy. I learned not to place tools and such on the vehicle. If you forget them you lose them on the trail. If they are on the cloth you will pick them up.
That 72 hour bag would make a great video to see you do a bag dump on that. Curious to have the full list and make one up for myself when out and about on trail rides when not hunting. Typically i have the gear i need during a hunt, but on those scout trips and trail rides, thats when I would find myself wishing I had a bag like that.
Thanks for the how to on the x lock. I also picked up on other must haves throughout your video. No matter how much I think I know there is always something out there I don’t. Thanks again.
A snatch block is very similar to a pulley block with the same wheel on axle design, however a snatch block, unlike the pulley block, is designed to open.
You have a lot of cool gear and definitely will consider getting some like the X-lock for example. BUT my question for you is, Wouldn't it still be easier to use a snatch block? It doubles your line pull instantly and seems just as easy to set up if not easier.
Thanks, I pondered how to shorten my Line #1 and my extension line #2 forever and after seeing one of your other videos I bought 2 of them. (it was difficult to google and find the website). I travel alone for landscape photography and have to recover myself. I carry multiple pulley blocks, tree savers, hard and soft shackles, F55 Kinetic Rope, pul-pal, maxtrax. If you could spare the time and effort, it would be great to see other/advanced uses of the X-Lock, or anything else related to self recovery. Thanks, I've learned a lot from all your videos, I am less intimidated to do something I've never done before, and can plan for safety better, please never stop.
One example is the "Framed out Toyota" from yesterdays video, How would one jeep do that recovery if they had all the right equipment? Also, how could he recover himself?
bridal off the driver side frame to the big tree, probably with a 2:1 in there if enough room. and then scotch anchor the single pulling vehicle (just a big tire chalk but chained to the bumper), and pull it sideways with the person in the vehicle driving forward and back. might work might not. that was close to a 10,000 lb pull. to recover yourself in that situation you'd have to pull hard left at about a 45 to a distant tree to get back onto the trail.
Thanks, I've been wondering how the x-locks work. But better to use a snatch block or ring and do a 2:1. Shortens the distance to the anchor and less work for the winch.
@@JustinKingOffroad Cool. I might get one - could come in handy. Have a Disco II here in Jamaica with Terrafirma 12k winch, locking centre diff, traction control, steering guard, both diff guards, and fuel tank guard. I'm a caver (speleologist) so have a couple of long lengths of retired 13mm dense static line I use as extensions when required. If you think the x-lock is helpful, what the hell - why not.
XLn't tutorial Justin, thank you! Hoping to get back out to CO, WY, UT & the Rockies again soon! Glacier Springs was one of my favorite places out overlanding twice last year!
Pretty Kool set up I wouldn't use those clusters for recovery There used for transportation only Got mini j ,R hook, T hook very useful 👌 Once you past working load limit your petty knowledgeable guy I hear it. Nice video 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Justin. You explained the use very well. I was interested in what you carried with you on the trail. I expect you have to be prepared for the unexpected! It does seem to be an expensive hobby, lol. good video!
Another big benefit of getting down to the drum is I find you are less likely to end up with rope jams. I really should consider reducing my rope and carrying an extension, thanks!
To everyone that says its disorganized and that its overkill must not offroad alot alone (maybe y'all just overland) not making fun of overlanders. Also redundancy can and has saved tons of people things snap, break, bend, go missing/get left behind. Plus from the fact that he has a 3 day survival bag just incase things go from bad to worse let's you know how deep into nature he gets.
there's really not much to it is there! for self recovery a good tree strap and proper rated shackles, and maybe an extension are all you usually need. (well and a winch)
Ya the winch is actually the first on the list my 100 series land cruiser hasn't gotten stuck yet (✊🌲) but am not gonna wait on that to happen but ya thanks now i know exactly what to get started with
Neat device. I'll stick with steel tho. Presumably the device is only usable on synthetic rope tho, yeah? Good to know the math behind the wrap#/torque. I've noticed short pulls using only 20ft of the 100 that's on my drum seemed more difficult for the winch compared to those pulls using 80ft of the cable. Now I understand why. Hadn't really thought about it I guess. Good stuff. (guessing the math applies to both steel and synthetic?) Missed opportunity tho...to explain the diff between a snatch block and a pulley block. Hadn't heard the latter term before. If you get a chance, and could be bothered...unless you already have in another video...to explain the difference, it would be yet another great info vid. Happy Trails from 'the springs'.
I really only ever bother with this with the extension though. Throw a soft on a 100’. And it’s much quicker to shorten the extension or re rig it to a different tree without waiting on the winch. 2x 1/2” 100’s one of these, a land anchor. 2-3 softs, and 2 cheap pulleys and you really can’t say there’s anything other than fire or underwater that should stop you.
It's interesting to see and compare what different people carry for emergencies. I'm a backpacker first, off-roader second, so I'm well prepared survival-wise, but my vehicle recovery gear is lacking. I'd like to see your whole survival bag and see what all you pack. I can tell you probably carrying a full pocket of electrolyte mix is not necessary, and with duct tape you can make your own roll which uses less space.
your fire-ex must not be floppy loose or covered up hidden in a bag. also up grade to two 5 pound dry chem units. tools a good bag about the size of your back pack. carry's most everything you would need. even good for the wrecking yard runs. park your chain in a old anti freeze jug cut the cap area off and there still is a handle to carry it (old ole jugs are designed to get brittle and fail). BUT you MUST anchor every thing down. as if you roll everything become a head smasher. heck even if a fool crosses the center line.
I understand it has other uses, but you could have left your winch line long and used the block that you already own to still have more pulling power than your x lock on a short single line. Just seems to be overlapping gear. I could see it making it easier to tie two lines together, but now you have a projectile if a line breaks.
That is the koolest thing I've seen. I don't think I have ever seen one of those either at the 4x4 shop or even in the magazines. Also since you are doing rescues have you ever considered carrying a harness with you? You really don't need a Hi dollar one right the one that I use when I go climbing. They have some that are cheaper but they do work it just might be more buckles and things like that that you have to mess around with. Wear the one I have I set it up and it never changes unless I pick up weight or lose weight. You need a few carabiners professional ones not the kind Walmart sales. And get yourself a very good rope this is the one thing to save money on. You can catch a good rope on sale. There's a couple other things like a crazy eight. I really did enjoy your video thanks for showing how everything works. I definitely hit the like button and subscribe button.
Ok... fee questions 1 what you filming with? 2 what part of Colorado you from? 3 how do you cut and shorten the winch line? Great video...going to Middle Saint Vrain and Connie creek (I think its called) near Estes Park next weekend...want to join me?
i usually use gopros to record with. I have a hero 5 and hero 7. i've been in northern colorado most of my life, there's only a couple trails left NW of red feather i haven't been on yet, but if it's north of i70 i've probably done it. cutting down a synthetic winch line is easy, get a real sharp utility knife (new blade) and just cut it. the process to taper it down to do the deep bury takes a bit of time, but there's plenty of other videos out there on how to do that.
Interesting, never saw the X-lock before. My first thought is it is an answer to a question no one has asked. I'll give it some more thought, good to know it exists. Are you a climber by chance? The only problem I've ever had was the winch line was to short. I over size my winches i.e. 12K on a JK. Having only 50' on your drum seems to be more of a hindrance that a help. What I do is always double line, more power more control and slower, three huge positives. Then, if/when I need 100' I go single line and you still are on the lower wraps.
Hi sir very good job. Comms what are yall running in bored and hand held. Looking to decide on new for are sar team. New something that works in thick trees and decent mountains.
I'm a crane operator and you refer to that snatch block as not a snatch block which in fact it is a snatch block if you can open the block place your rope in it it is a snatch block if you feed your rope through it that's when it is a pulley block
@@JustinKingOffroad I maybe a little slow but I dont see where it wouldnt be more practical to just use the snatch block and double the pulling power eliminate all the extra rope handling and just pull what you need from the spool, dont get me wrong the X looks like it could be handy for something
I can see where your ideas are good, but I prefer to keep 90 feet of rope on my winch. I can go out 70 feet if I need to, and I can use one, two or three snatch blocks to shorten the cable when needed, while multiplying the power of the winch, while reducing the load on it. I also noticed that you do not run a wireless winch remote. I have found that I can do the job of 2 with wireless, spotter and operator. No miscommunication with myself! 😏
Absolutely a viable option. In fact, we often use the x-lock in conjunction with pulley blocks to get all the way down to the last wrap of the drum. Get even more power from the rigging.
@@JustinKingOffroad I actually have a fiddle block and most of the time I don’t have enough like to run a fiddle bock and end up using two snatch blocks. However one time I needed to do a reverse pull I had to use an extension.
New at this, but isn't it bad form to add any high weight metal object in the middle of a winch line? If the single side breaks, you get the doubled side slinging back to the tree with that chunk of metal, which can wrap and fling in any direction. Just curious why it's okay in this case. Or maybe I'm wrong about metal chunks in the middle of the line.
Its perfectly fine if youre staying within the operating limits of your gear. However since this video was made a new standard is out involving safety lanyards to catch metal bits. An update to this is on my list of things to do after it warms up.
@@JustinKingOffroad My thought is that the line is always going to be the weakest link and is expected to break first. So personally I would never attach a heavy metal object to what is expected to break. Especially since the way it will break will always launch whatever is connected like a missile. Tie points might break apart without coming off the frame, but that chunk of metal will literally always be launched if the line breaks.
honestly not really, it's a culmination of things i need for 3 days. especially with a special dietary restriction (celiac's is not fun in the prepping dept).
Nice setup, and good gear review. Only thing I'd say you're missing is at least a pistol and a couple mags in case you have to hike out. Personally I pack a rifle and pistol, bad things live in big woods.
snatch block is the widely used term hence it's on the label lol! but what really blows your mind is the "d-rings" people put on their bumpers like me are actually Shackles lol! There really are "D" rings too in the crane world.
@@JustinKingOffroad Ya when I was in tank recovery in the military back in the 70's they called them Shackles, interesting!! Love to watch you guys work.
Great video. What brand is the 72 hour bag? Seems to be a lot of prepackaged 72 hour kits our there but I wonder about the quality of the items included.
it's not an off the shelf bag, i put it together myself tailored to my needs for 3 days. i have a food allergy to accommodate, and this bag is more "vehicle centric" vs hiking out. but i could hike out with it if needed.
Actually you still need an x lock because tying and knot in a winch rope creates a severe weak point. A lifetime of scouting I know how to tie those knots!
@@JustinKingOffroad i do not agree. presure and/or friction on the x-lock are nessesary for function simmilar to knots. even the radius is simmilar. if the extension rope is tied to the winch rope with a blake's hitch with some extra wraps around the winch rope, than the presure on the winch rope per cm2 is much less than with x-lock and only the extension rope makes one a bit sharp turn. x-lock is easier, yes. but it is even an extra piece of gear you have to carry. working as an arborist i try to avoid extra load if i can fix things without.
Ok might be a dumb question but if the tree strap breaks didnt you just make a metal projectile aimed straight for your jeep? Kinda like why you should never link ropes togethor with a D ring
correct. but that tree strap is rated to 26,500. and you never want to put more force into gear than its rated for. even at 2:1 with 20,000 pounds of available force, you'll only exert exactly what's needed to free yourself.
That's actually does not work as well as you think. there's a bunch of videos on TH-cam explaining how powerful that recoil is and how a blanket isn't going to stop anything. You are much safer staying within the safety ratings of the equipment you are using, and keeping people out of the recoil zones.
@@JustinKingOffroad I agree with the points on ensuring everything is load rated and regularly inspected for wear. With the winch blankets I have mined packed with mud. Going to buy a second to increase the weight at multiple points.
Don't forget to factor in that you are adding mass to the line. That actually does account in the pulling force equation. I4WDTA doesn't teach covering pulling points with blankets or dampers, just because how deadly that becomes.
you know that's a good question, it's been so long now. basically get any rated winch line that is at least 1.5 times the capacity of your winch. i think i've had that since 2015, so i honestly don't remember exact specs.
Thanks for the explanation on the X-Lock, I’ve always used my snatch block to double back to the jeep to increase pulling power and reducing work load on the winch. Really helps to counter the 12% loss for every wrap of winch line on the drum is why I use a snatch block when I’m stuck hard
It is way more than 10% loss, winch rating is on the first layer, five layers up it is approximately 50% loss. Most winch manufacturers and synth rope manufacturers recommend 7-10 wraps to keep rope anchored to drum. Digging the rigging plate, though.....
Nice tool but man, at $150 I can’t justify it. I was thinking it would be in the $60 range. I’ll stick with the bonnet hitch or, whatever it’s called, with a hitch pen to take out the slack on my extension. I’m usually not worried about taking out slack just to get more wraps off, unless my winch is really bogging. But I use it mostly on my extension, just messing around with different pulley setups. Can get a 6:1 with just 3 blocks.
Wanted to ask...If you used your snatch block in the same scenario, you would be using 60 ft if cable and still getting to the last wrap on the drum and 100% pull power of the winch. It seems 6 of one or half a dozen of the other?
Great video, thank you. I know I was one of the ones asking about the XLock so this is greatly appreciated. One thing I can't understand is how you get a 10% reduction for each wrap in the drum. Isn't it the case that, the larger drum takes less power, not more to pull? Thats how I understood physics.(Like when you put a larger tyrre/tire on a rim, it takes less engine force to drive you along?)
I worked in the industrial hydraulics industry. A lot of hydraulic winches.lol.. They call it bare drum, which is the maximum pull force and then after a full wrap layer on the drum it is called a 'mean drum', you lose a percentage of the winches pull rating and last, but not least there's a full drum, thats the maximum amount of rope layers rated and the least amount of pull force from the winch. Remember, if you put the rope through a snatch block you basically increase the winches pull force X 2. On another note, brakes. If you put larger tires on a vehicle you should concider an appropiate brake up grade, larger tires create more 'rolling mass', it takes more braking force to stop, most manufactures use a safe rated brakes for the size tire they install..not sure what the specs are for deciding how much of a larger tire you can put on with stock brakes but the VIN should have a number code that deginates brake safe stopping force, as in, my old 88 chevy pickup had factory brakes rated to safely stop a 5000# vehicle....
For most pulls I like to run through a pulley anyway because it takes a lot of strain off the electrical system of the vehicle, it'll obviously take longer to winch because you have to pull in two feet of line to move one foot but it's worth it.
@@jamesmoore3346 we are highly regulated, here in Queensland, Australia, and only allow a 50mm (2") increase in rolling diameter in tyre size and the vehicle manufacturers are *supposed to* allow for that increase under the rule which govern bringing cars into the the country. (As Ive found out over the last 2 years, the manufacturers dont care about rules or laws and the Government uninterested in controlling them)
I didn't see this asked already and I'm late to the party, but I hope you'll answer. What brand, &model is your 72-hour bag and your recovery gear bag?
my 72 hour pack is the 5.11 tactical rush pack. it's a great pack. the recovery gear bag is just a home depot contractor style bag. nothing fancy there.
I carry more than that which I won't get into, but I would include skid plates (before using a winch), a compact shovel, and zip ties.
I have a Yankum rope! 28k rating. I found it off of Matt’s off road recovery! He has a great channel!
kinetic ropes are awesome! makes fast work of pulling my framed out power wagon from a snow bank lol.
@@JustinKingOffroad you want a laugh,?.watch inskip 4x4,then rohny dahl. with his over loaded 79 toyota.. 300 lt fuel ect..
@@phantomwalker8251. You are obviously a Yank . In Australia it's easy to find Areas where you are1500 km / 950 Miles away from Fuel . 300 litres is a good MINIMUM to have on board over here . 300 litres of Fuel = 250kg .
Unlike the U.S. , there are actual genuine Trackless Wilderness areas here still .
1000 km in sny direction to reach Anything resembling a " settlement " .
Justin, I am one of those old school wheelers that never gave a damn about “them new fanged toys”. You have removed the mystery, thank you. Now a I just have to get away from my steel line and I’ll be in the 21st century.
synthetic line is WAAAAAY safer. I started out with steel on the TJ I used to have. if synthetic fails and you're in the path, it'll hurt like hell, but it won't kill you. (but stay out of the path regardless)
Justin King yup, ‘03 TJ... I guess that’s the path I am on. I have a newer winch with synthetic line, just not gotten around to mounting it. SO MANY other jobs on the old fellow. Long arm joints are next up, and CrMo axles are in a box. (Sigh, baby steps.)
I've seen steel line part, let me tell you this, the guy lost his leg and yes he was standing way back, that line whipped like you would not believe and just sliced his leg clean off. Brand new cable. should never had parted but did. Get you wench line replaced ASAP!
@@JustinKingOffroad I had a synthetic winch line break once while I was in its path. I was so scared I shit my pants, turned around and ran like hell. I'm damn fast, but not fast enough and the broke synthetic winch rope whipped me right up the ass crack before I could get away. In the end it all worked out though cause the rope wiped my ass for me nice and clean from shitting myself.
One definition! "A snatch block refers to a particular type of block. A snatch block has a side plate sometimes called a cheek plate, that can be opened for easy insertion of cable without having to remove the load or fittings from the end of the wire. The process of inserting a line into a block is called reeving, reeving is done with a pulley block most often with multiple sheaves (pulley wheels) that require the line to be threaded before an end or load is attached.
Snatch blocks are often used in applications to move loads over short distances, as opposed to long lifts and continuous service. They are called snatch blocks because they are often used in conjunction with a winch in a recovery application, and can improve the functionality of a winch by increasing its pull power. It also allows you to change the direction of your winch’s cable when the anchor point is offset." Right or wrong that is what I was taught when I first got involved in offroading and taught about snatch blocks. The first actual thing I was told was "Learn how and prepare to get yourself out of trouble before you ever increase your ability to get into trouble with lifts and bigger tires."
Well said. I didn't understand why he tries to make a difference between snatch blocks versus a pulley block.
@@zachkunkle6309 Just like all tires are wheels, not all wheels are tires. All sequoia are trees, not all trees are sequoia. All snatch blocks are pulleys, not all pulleys are snatch blocks. One is a specific item in a broad category the other is the broad category. Dare I say engine and motor...
Dont lie.
A snatch block doesn't increase power. It increases force.
Nice video and a good intro to the X-Lock. After working 32 years in the Fire Dept. I have treated many patients injured from loose equipment in their vehicles. I would suggest you secure your load or at the very least, install a partition net.
i have everything in the back strapped down now, things were just amiss this summer lol!
The amount of knowledge and wisdom dropped in this videos shook me to my core
Wow I learned A LOT!!!
I am now a weekend warrior 😂😂 multiple years Moab river guide and Park City ski patrol then 15yrs FF/Paramedic needless to say I have spent a lot of time outside after building a rig for Moab and now I’m outside Zion and do a lot of canyoneering. I burnt my first synthetic rope the other day on my 9500lb Ram. I can only give kudos to you!!! I obviously have most of what you have but the simplicity of your explanation really made me think about my situation and organization. I am truly grateful and openly humbled to know that I have a lot to learn. The other day dismounting 4 33x10.5r15 by hand I was praying that a good old boy would come by and tell me what I was doing wrong. (I have the stems patches ect) That didn’t happen but the next day I saw your video. Thank you for sharing the xlock is definitely a next on my list!
I'm outfitting my 04 expedition. Lots of room. I've owned 3 jeeps over the years. The older I get I really enjoy the creature comforts. Need the room. Great job.
Just FYI, Im not in the US but down under in OZ. But you comment on fire extinguishers hit home, my Landcruiser 100 recently burnt due to the battery exloading, yes Boom.
The resulting engine bay fire took three 1kg (2.2 lbs) to put it out. I only carried one myself just happened to be in a situation where I had access to more. Short story, one is not that much better than none. I now carry a 2.5kg and a 1kg in my new rig. Hope this helps someone in the future.
Check out the Element E50 Fire Suppression, its 80% smaller and 5x the discharge time.. and its 275 grams vs 7 lbs... ABCK rated, and leaves no residue or corrosion on wires and metals like the normal kind. I just carry these now because they are easier to mount and use.
Snatch block is an open gate. Meaning you have to open/slide to fit the line onto the pulley.
Pulley block is a closed gate. Meaning the pulley is enclosed and you have to feed/push/pull the line through it. Hope this helps
That’s a very well supplied ride. Nice array of items. That X-Block is cool but so very expensive. Now to get two fiddle blocks. Add some clear packing tape in the event you crack or break glass. It’s less obtrusive than duct tape on the windshield or mirrors. Love that front bumper. A small bright green one side, bright orange other side synthetic ground cloth for laying tools on and for signaling comes in handy. I learned not to place tools and such on the vehicle. If you forget them you lose them on the trail. If they are on the cloth you will pick them up.
That 72 hour bag would make a great video to see you do a bag dump on that. Curious to have the full list and make one up for myself when out and about on trail rides when not hunting. Typically i have the gear i need during a hunt, but on those scout trips and trail rides, thats when I would find myself wishing I had a bag like that.
Agreed, I'd love to see a video or part list for your 72 hour kit!
well you're in luck! th-cam.com/video/cSuNWzyaZeA/w-d-xo.html
Saw a video of you using it the other day and had to Google it. Definitely looks handy. Mechanical advantage is a wonderful thing.
Thanks for the how to on the x lock. I also picked up on other must haves throughout your video. No matter how much I think I know there is always something out there I don’t. Thanks again.
we continue to learn every time we're out and about too! always a better way to do something.
I remember a few years ago driving up to Durango while on holiday. A very nice area indeed. Loved the trains too. 👍
A snatch block is very similar to a pulley block with the same wheel on axle design, however a snatch block, unlike the pulley block, is designed to open.
Justin, Very good explanation of the X Lock 9:55 & how wraps of wench line effect pulling capacity . Thanks!
Very cool, thanks for sharing this! Had no idea about winch spool load loss. Makes perfect sense.
Nice gear, just gotta say I always have a chainsaw, sometimes a second one with a lewis winch to. But I live in the trees.
Great tour of your gear, Justin. Clear explanations and a nice guide for recovery basics.
You're one handed unzipping is on point sir! Beautiful Jeep, smart gear.
LOL!!!!
Thanks for showing us your inventory. Looks like your set for a little mishap in case it happens.
You have a lot of cool gear and definitely will consider getting some like the X-lock for example. BUT my question for you is, Wouldn't it still be easier to use a snatch block? It doubles your line pull instantly and seems just as easy to set up if not easier.
yes that would work HOWEVER there are still times you need to get to the last wrap even with a 2:1 and don't have any further room to work with.
Thanks, I pondered how to shorten my Line #1 and my extension line #2 forever and after seeing one of your other videos I bought 2 of them. (it was difficult to google and find the website). I travel alone for landscape photography and have to recover myself. I carry multiple pulley blocks, tree savers, hard and soft shackles, F55 Kinetic Rope, pul-pal, maxtrax. If you could spare the time and effort, it would be great to see other/advanced uses of the X-Lock, or anything else related to self recovery.
Thanks, I've learned a lot from all your videos, I am less intimidated to do something I've never done before, and can plan for safety better, please never stop.
One example is the "Framed out Toyota" from yesterdays video, How would one jeep do that recovery if they had all the right equipment? Also, how could he recover himself?
bridal off the driver side frame to the big tree, probably with a 2:1 in there if enough room. and then scotch anchor the single pulling vehicle (just a big tire chalk but chained to the bumper), and pull it sideways with the person in the vehicle driving forward and back. might work might not. that was close to a 10,000 lb pull. to recover yourself in that situation you'd have to pull hard left at about a 45 to a distant tree to get back onto the trail.
@@JustinKingOffroad Thanks
X-Lock. As Lloyd Christmas would say 'I like it a lot'. Will be sure to get one for our kit. Thanks for the video, learnt a lot. 😙😙😙
Thanks for the info on the X-Lock I wondered how that was used
Thanks, I've been wondering how the x-locks work. But better to use a snatch block or ring and do a 2:1. Shortens the distance to the anchor and less work for the winch.
The real mind F is when you use the X Lock with a 2:1 haha
@@JustinKingOffroad Cool. I might get one - could come in handy. Have a Disco II here in Jamaica with Terrafirma 12k winch, locking centre diff, traction control, steering guard, both diff guards, and fuel tank guard. I'm a caver (speleologist) so have a couple of long lengths of retired 13mm dense static line I use as extensions when required. If you think the x-lock is helpful, what the hell - why not.
I don't use mine all the time, but when you need it you need it lol!
XLn't tutorial Justin, thank you! Hoping to get back out to CO, WY, UT & the Rockies again soon! Glacier Springs was one of my favorite places out overlanding twice last year!
Absolutely right on the pulling power. Use a 50' line and carry 1 or 2 50' extensions. Cool tool - another one to add! Thanks
Please don't lie.
Pulling power does not change.
Pulling force yes, power no.
"You need to know your strap ratings."
Two seconds later: "This one is, uh..."
They're all rated different, lol.
Not as much knowing by heart as checking before you rip it in half and hurt or damage haha
Pretty Kool set up
I wouldn't use those clusters for recovery
There used for transportation only
Got mini j ,R hook, T hook very useful 👌
Once you past working load limit your petty knowledgeable guy I hear it.
Nice video 👍👍👍👍👍
Well, damn! Now I need a new peace if gear! X-Lock made the list.
Thanks for spending my money! :)
Any time!!
Thanks Justin. You explained the use very well. I was interested in what you carried with you on the trail. I expect you have to be prepared for the unexpected! It does seem to be an expensive hobby, lol. good video!
Another big benefit of getting down to the drum is I find you are less likely to end up with rope jams. I really should consider reducing my rope and carrying an extension, thanks!
on the jeep about 50 feet on the drum is perfect. on the truck, that full 100 is extremely handy. when those things get stuck... they are STUCK
looks like the X lock replaces the old sheep shank to shorten line.
To everyone that says its disorganized and that its overkill must not offroad alot alone (maybe y'all just overland) not making fun of overlanders. Also redundancy can and has saved tons of people things snap, break, bend, go missing/get left behind. Plus from the fact that he has a 3 day survival bag just incase things go from bad to worse let's you know how deep into nature he gets.
i push the limits some times for sure. probably more than i should.
I dont do much offroad but this helps a lot now i know what the pros use daily so i get only what i would need thanks a lot
there's really not much to it is there! for self recovery a good tree strap and proper rated shackles, and maybe an extension are all you usually need. (well and a winch)
Ya the winch is actually the first on the list my 100 series land cruiser hasn't gotten stuck yet (✊🌲) but am not gonna wait on that to happen but ya thanks now i know exactly what to get started with
Nice setup 👍 total coverage of equipment use and preparedness ...
Neat device. I'll stick with steel tho.
Presumably the device is only usable on synthetic rope tho, yeah?
Good to know the math behind the wrap#/torque. I've noticed short pulls using only 20ft of the 100 that's on my drum seemed more difficult for the winch compared to those pulls using 80ft of the cable. Now I understand why. Hadn't really thought about it I guess.
Good stuff. (guessing the math applies to both steel and synthetic?)
Missed opportunity tho...to explain the diff between a snatch block and a pulley block. Hadn't heard the latter term before. If you get a chance, and could be bothered...unless you already have in another video...to explain the difference, it would be yet another great info vid.
Happy Trails from 'the springs'.
so essentially you "wasted" some of your reach but gain power through reducing drum size. I like it. I'm getting me one
Bingo
I really only ever bother with this with the extension though. Throw a soft on a 100’. And it’s much quicker to shorten the extension or re rig it to a different tree without waiting on the winch. 2x 1/2” 100’s one of these, a land anchor. 2-3 softs, and 2 cheap pulleys and you really can’t say there’s anything other than fire or underwater that should stop you.
It's interesting to see and compare what different people carry for emergencies. I'm a backpacker first, off-roader second, so I'm well prepared survival-wise, but my vehicle recovery gear is lacking. I'd like to see your whole survival bag and see what all you pack. I can tell you probably carrying a full pocket of electrolyte mix is not necessary, and with duct tape you can make your own roll which uses less space.
I actually have a video that I recently did that goes through the whole 72 hour pack!
@@JustinKingOffroad thank you, just watched it!
Instead of the D ring I would use a snatch ring. The small radius will damage the rope fibers as they are not meant to bend that tight.
If you would like a compliment of gear LMK and Ill send you some stuff to review and use for free.
What do you have in mind?
@@carbonshocks if you still want to send some stuff over... i'm still interested!
@@JustinKingOffroad Shoot me an email at admin@olympusoffroad.com love to chat
@@carbonshocks sent!
Great supply show. Thank you
Cargo glide and sideways fridge is no problem. Just got mine and our Dometic cdz95 fits sideways, tray comes all the way out to get stuff behind it.
i can't get the seat to fold up it hits my snowmaster 56 dual zone.
Justin King if it’s in sideways I bet you could
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Still looking for a ride-along, even if it’s a drive-along.
Wow we have not made that red white and blue winch line in a long time! Maybe we should bring it back!
your fire-ex must not be floppy loose or covered up hidden in a bag. also up grade to two 5 pound dry chem units. tools a good bag about the size of your back pack. carry's most everything you would need. even good for the wrecking yard runs. park your chain in a old anti freeze jug cut the cap area off and there still is a handle to carry it (old ole jugs are designed to get brittle and fail).
BUT you MUST anchor every thing down. as if you roll everything become a head smasher. heck even if a fool crosses the center line.
The x lock seems to be great for those tricky recoveries
it's a very versatile tool!
Very useful info Justin. Thanks for sharing
You could put the X block up by the end with an extra half hitch, which you probably know. How else can it be used?
Really nice tutorial sir. Appreciate ya!
I understand it has other uses, but you could have left your winch line long and used the block that you already own to still have more pulling power than your x lock on a short single line. Just seems to be overlapping gear. I could see it making it easier to tie two lines together, but now you have a projectile if a line breaks.
It does overlap your gear a tiny bit but there are also uses of it with a pulley block.
Thank you! Keep ‘em coming!
That is the koolest thing I've seen. I don't think I have ever seen one of those either at the 4x4 shop or even in the magazines.
Also since you are doing rescues have you ever considered carrying a harness with you? You really don't need a Hi dollar one right the one that I use when I go climbing. They have some that are cheaper but they do work it just might be more buckles and things like that that you have to mess around with. Wear the one I have I set it up and it never changes unless I pick up weight or lose weight. You need a few carabiners professional ones not the kind Walmart sales. And get yourself a very good rope this is the one thing to save money on. You can catch a good rope on sale. There's a couple other things like a crazy eight.
I really did enjoy your video thanks for showing how everything works. I definitely hit the like button and subscribe button.
This should make the 175,964,132 people who have asked how to use it in the comment section happy lol.
it's not quite that many but it's been a few hahaha!
Ok... fee questions
1 what you filming with?
2 what part of Colorado you from?
3 how do you cut and shorten the winch line?
Great video...going to Middle Saint Vrain and Connie creek (I think its called) near Estes Park next weekend...want to join me?
i usually use gopros to record with. I have a hero 5 and hero 7. i've been in northern colorado most of my life, there's only a couple trails left NW of red feather i haven't been on yet, but if it's north of i70 i've probably done it. cutting down a synthetic winch line is easy, get a real sharp utility knife (new blade) and just cut it. the process to taper it down to do the deep bury takes a bit of time, but there's plenty of other videos out there on how to do that.
I didnt think winches would lose so much per wrap, good to know, I always over prepare anyway
Great demonstration! I learned a thing or two! 👍👍👍
Interesting, never saw the X-lock before. My first thought is it is an answer to a question no one has asked. I'll give it some more thought, good to know it exists. Are you a climber by chance?
The only problem I've ever had was the winch line was to short. I over size my winches i.e. 12K on a JK. Having only 50' on your drum seems to be more of a hindrance that a help. What I do is always double line, more power more control and slower, three huge positives. Then, if/when I need 100' I go single line and you still are on the lower wraps.
not a climber, but 50' has its benefits and disadvantages too. i'm going to leave 100 feet on the truck.
L Hurst what size rope is installed on the winch?
@@danlux4954 are you asking for diameter? 3/8"
You could use 5/16” and still get the 12K rating. Get more length on the spool.
Hi sir very good job. Comms what are yall running in bored and hand held. Looking to decide on new for are sar team. New something that works in thick trees and decent mountains.
Good stuff...had to chuckle when I saw flip flops ...
Comfy! But not allowed on real operations lol.
What a terrific video. Thanks for sharing 👍
thanks for that Justin, 😀👍🇬🇧
I think It'd just be easier to use a snatch ring and have a much less load on the winch and rope.
Sometimes you have to use the x-lock in conjunction with a snatch block
Wow, you sure have bought a lot of things.
It's been acquired over the last 6 years mostly with credit card reward points. But yes I do have a lot of gear.
I'm a crane operator and you refer to that snatch block as not a snatch block which in fact it is a snatch block if you can open the block place your rope in it it is a snatch block if you feed your rope through it that's when it is a pulley block
Can/have you post(ed) a list of all you keep in your 72 hr bag?
i don't think i have, but i could do that some day.
get a snatch block doubles the winch pulling force and no need for all the extra hassle...
That is not always practical nor needed. And oftentimes we run this x-lock while using a snatch block.
@@JustinKingOffroad I maybe a little slow but I dont see where it wouldnt be more practical to just use the snatch block and double the pulling power eliminate all the extra rope handling and just pull what you need from the spool, dont get me wrong the X looks like it could be handy for something
I can see where your ideas are good, but I prefer to keep 90 feet of rope on my winch. I can go out 70 feet if I need to, and I can use one, two or three snatch blocks to shorten the cable when needed, while multiplying the power of the winch, while reducing the load on it. I also noticed that you do not run a wireless winch remote. I have found that I can do the job of 2 with wireless, spotter and operator. No miscommunication with myself! 😏
i am actually thinking about going back to a 100' line on the drum. and there's a long story as to why wired controllers is the only way i'll go.
One question. Why not use one or two snatch blocks to use up line, plus the snatch blocks will reduce load on winch as well?
Absolutely a viable option. In fact, we often use the x-lock in conjunction with pulley blocks to get all the way down to the last wrap of the drum. Get even more power from the rigging.
@@JustinKingOffroad I actually have a fiddle block and most of the time I don’t have enough like to run a fiddle bock and end up using two snatch blocks. However one time I needed to do a reverse pull I had to use an extension.
Very cool and informative
Why does the winch loose pulling capacity with each full wrap of the drum?
Don't feel bad, I also carry too much gear. It is like insurance, better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
it's a culmination of everything i've needed at one point and didn't have.
It’s a jeep thing you will not understand. Never seen or heard of this x-lock before that was a handy bit of kit
going to do some more video tomorrow
New at this, but isn't it bad form to add any high weight metal object in the middle of a winch line? If the single side breaks, you get the doubled side slinging back to the tree with that chunk of metal, which can wrap and fling in any direction. Just curious why it's okay in this case. Or maybe I'm wrong about metal chunks in the middle of the line.
Its perfectly fine if youre staying within the operating limits of your gear. However since this video was made a new standard is out involving safety lanyards to catch metal bits. An update to this is on my list of things to do after it warms up.
@@JustinKingOffroad My thought is that the line is always going to be the weakest link and is expected to break first. So personally I would never attach a heavy metal object to what is expected to break. Especially since the way it will break will always launch whatever is connected like a missile. Tie points might break apart without coming off the frame, but that chunk of metal will literally always be launched if the line breaks.
I'm just curious what that patch said. The way you pulled it off and laughed about showed me how much I apparently need one too.
lol! it's a moral patch... that is the SHTF bag right? so the patch said "un-F yourself" haha!!
@@JustinKingOffroad I knew I'd love it and need one, lol.
And the purpose for all this is so you can effectively reduce the spool diameter, giving more torque?
Correct.
Well thanks to you im so getting one.
What other uses does the xloc have you mentioned it but didn’t talk about it
In the description I put a link to the other uses
LMAO, I catch slack for my Jeep gear looking a mess, u catch slack for keeping yours clean and organized XD
hahahaha!!!
there's no pleasing these interweb people
Justin King 😂
Justin,
Lots of info out there on those 72 hour packs. Any specific guidelines or organizations you used to build yours?
honestly not really, it's a culmination of things i need for 3 days. especially with a special dietary restriction (celiac's is not fun in the prepping dept).
Nice setup, and good gear review. Only thing I'd say you're missing is at least a pistol and a couple mags in case you have to hike out. Personally I pack a rifle and pistol, bad things live in big woods.
That stuff was left out since TH-cam got all weird about it. But yes!!!!!
Worse stuff lives in the cities and towns that's why my wife and me both carry 38's on us everywhere !!!!!!!!!!!!
Pulley blocks have fixed tops, and snatch blocks are open at the top. Thanks for showing us your gear!
snatch block is the widely used term hence it's on the label lol! but what really blows your mind is the "d-rings" people put on their bumpers like me are actually Shackles lol! There really are "D" rings too in the crane world.
@@JustinKingOffroad Ya when I was in tank recovery in the military back in the 70's they called them Shackles, interesting!! Love to watch you guys work.
www.red-winches.com/product/snatch-ring-8t/
I carry 4 of these "snatch rings" they weigh less than one of my old "swing away" snatch blocks.
Great video. What brand is the 72 hour bag? Seems to be a lot of prepackaged 72 hour kits our there but I wonder about the quality of the items included.
it's not an off the shelf bag, i put it together myself tailored to my needs for 3 days. i have a food allergy to accommodate, and this bag is more "vehicle centric" vs hiking out. but i could hike out with it if needed.
Nice video. If you know how to tie a bowline, a bowline on a bight or a blake's hitch you never need a x-lock. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Actually you still need an x lock because tying and knot in a winch rope creates a severe weak point. A lifetime of scouting I know how to tie those knots!
@@JustinKingOffroad i do not agree. presure and/or friction on the x-lock are nessesary for function simmilar to knots. even the radius is simmilar. if the extension rope is tied to the winch rope with a blake's hitch with some extra wraps around the winch rope, than the presure on the winch rope per cm2 is much less than with x-lock and only the extension rope makes one a bit sharp turn.
x-lock is easier, yes. but it is even an extra piece of gear you have to carry.
working as an arborist i try to avoid extra load if i can fix things without.
@@heinrichbossmann5547 try it out in the field and you'll see that the winch rope will fail at the knot every time
Ok might be a dumb question but if the tree strap breaks didnt you just make a metal projectile aimed straight for your jeep?
Kinda like why you should never link ropes togethor with a D ring
correct. but that tree strap is rated to 26,500. and you never want to put more force into gear than its rated for. even at 2:1 with 20,000 pounds of available force, you'll only exert exactly what's needed to free yourself.
You can use winch blankets to reduce the risk of flying objects if parts fail.
That's actually does not work as well as you think. there's a bunch of videos on TH-cam explaining how powerful that recoil is and how a blanket isn't going to stop anything. You are much safer staying within the safety ratings of the equipment you are using, and keeping people out of the recoil zones.
@@JustinKingOffroad I agree with the points on ensuring everything is load rated and regularly inspected for wear.
With the winch blankets I have mined packed with mud. Going to buy a second to increase the weight at multiple points.
Don't forget to factor in that you are adding mass to the line. That actually does account in the pulling force equation. I4WDTA doesn't teach covering pulling points with blankets or dampers, just because how deadly that becomes.
What was the 100’ winch line extension you were using? The Amazon link didn’t work anymore. Was curious the brand and specs. Thanks!
you know that's a good question, it's been so long now. basically get any rated winch line that is at least 1.5 times the capacity of your winch. i think i've had that since 2015, so i honestly don't remember exact specs.
@@JustinKingOffroad Any brands safer than others? What ropes do you use now?
@@roedere if you can stomach the price, safe xtract is the best. But any rated rope is fine if you stay in the working limits of the gear.
Thanks for the explanation on the X-Lock, I’ve always used my snatch block to double back to the jeep to increase pulling power and reducing work load on the winch. Really helps to counter the 12% loss for every wrap of winch line on the drum is why I use a snatch block when I’m stuck hard
if you get stuck hard enough you'll need the X-lock and a snatch block!! (i've done that lol)
Please don't lie. Snatchblock does not increase pulling power.
It is way more than 10% loss, winch rating is on the first layer, five layers up it is approximately 50% loss. Most winch manufacturers and synth rope manufacturers recommend 7-10 wraps to keep rope anchored to drum. Digging the rigging plate, though.....
Wouldn’t the snatch block handle this issue? Easier and more effectively?
it can but sometimes even with a snatch block you still need to be on the last wrap of the drum and that's where this device comes in.
Great video. Thanks for doing that
Nice tool but man, at $150 I can’t justify it. I was thinking it would be in the $60 range. I’ll stick with the bonnet hitch or, whatever it’s called, with a hitch pen to take out the slack on my extension. I’m usually not worried about taking out slack just to get more wraps off, unless my winch is really bogging. But I use it mostly on my extension, just messing around with different pulley setups. Can get a 6:1 with just 3 blocks.
If you rig up a Spanish Burton you can get way more than 6 to 1. But it takes a lot of equipment!!
Cool, yea with 3 blocks you can get 8:1 with that setup.
Looks like if you have steel cable the X-Lock wont work. Right? Is there something that will accomplish the same and work with steel line?
that device is designed for synthetic line only. i think you're out of luck on steel. more pulley blocks would shorten the line too...
Wanted to ask...If you used your snatch block in the same scenario, you would be using 60 ft if cable and still getting to the last wrap on the drum and 100% pull power of the winch. It seems 6 of one or half a dozen of the other?
basically you nailed it. BUT... even with a 2:1 you might still need to get to that last wrap, and the x lock will do that for you.
nice frig. just got my snomaster, best frig on the planet next tot the National luna.ARB and dometic can't hold a candle to these bad boys
It's so awesome having one in the Jeep! Ice cream on a 90 degree day wheeling! Yes please.
What is the difference between a pully and a snatch block? They seem to do the exact same thing.
they do indeed do the same thing, its the overall design.
@@JustinKingOffroad so from what I've seen you would use snatch block with metal clevis and pulley with synthetic clevis? Sound about right?
Did you forget anything? "Your gonna need a bigger boat"!
actually... i have a pair of max tracks too! :-p
Great video, thank you. I know I was one of the ones asking about the XLock so this is greatly appreciated.
One thing I can't understand is how you get a 10% reduction for each wrap in the drum. Isn't it the case that, the larger drum takes less power, not more to pull? Thats how I understood physics.(Like when you put a larger tyrre/tire on a rim, it takes less engine force to drive you along?)
It's like the front gear on a bike attached to the pedals. Is it easier or harder to pedal on the small one? Much easier.
I worked in the industrial hydraulics industry. A lot of hydraulic winches.lol.. They call it bare drum, which is the maximum pull force and then after a full wrap layer on the drum it is called a 'mean drum', you lose a percentage of the winches pull rating and last, but not least there's a full drum, thats the maximum amount of rope layers rated and the least amount of pull force from the winch. Remember, if you put the rope through a snatch block you basically increase the winches pull force X 2. On another note, brakes. If you put larger tires on a vehicle you should concider an appropiate brake up grade, larger tires create more 'rolling mass', it takes more braking force to stop, most manufactures use a safe rated brakes for the size tire they install..not sure what the specs are for deciding how much of a larger tire you can put on with stock brakes but the VIN should have a number code that deginates brake safe stopping force, as in, my old 88 chevy pickup had factory brakes rated to safely stop a 5000# vehicle....
For most pulls I like to run through a pulley anyway because it takes a lot of strain off the electrical system of the vehicle, it'll obviously take longer to winch because you have to pull in two feet of line to move one foot but it's worth it.
Not to mention less strain on anchor points..
@@jamesmoore3346 we are highly regulated, here in Queensland, Australia, and only allow a 50mm (2") increase in rolling diameter in tyre size and the vehicle manufacturers are *supposed to* allow for that increase under the rule which govern bringing cars into the the country. (As Ive found out over the last 2 years, the manufacturers dont care about rules or laws and the Government uninterested in controlling them)
I didn't see this asked already and I'm late to the party, but I hope you'll answer. What brand, &model is your 72-hour bag and your recovery gear bag?
my 72 hour pack is the 5.11 tactical rush pack. it's a great pack. the recovery gear bag is just a home depot contractor style bag. nothing fancy there.