Thank you for the educational video. Since you welcome proposals, most home users would probably benefit, if you created a series of setting up most common applications, in a way similar to omv. The underlying framework is somewhat different (kubernetes) and relevant documentation/guides/videos are severely lacking (at least when I searched some time ago). Personally, I use an ubuntu server and added apps through docker and although I have tried truenas and probably willing to move to the platform, the framework and lack of guides has held me back.
On the console setup screen, how did you get from the nine options to your desktop? You didn't include that part. Edit: I have another question, should I bother installing a second NVMe? I hear TrueNAS doesn't like cache disks.
Follow-up video content idea. Truenas has features that other NAS operating systems do not: Compression and deduplication, due to the ZFS file system. Since this Terramaster NAS has a relatively weak CPU, I'd like to see how the NAS handles this. I haven't found any good data on these features in a low traffic setup, such as only one write stream and a few reads at a time. Does compression tax the CPU to the max and affect speed? Is deduplication even possible, as this puts a lot of load on the CPU and memory?
Correct me if I'm wrong. But truenas scale takes your entire boot device right, I forget the term.. But there is a work around. That 1tb is nvme is a lot to sacrifice. He might have mentioned this in the video and I just missed it. Apologies if so.
2 reasons: 1. It's what I had on hand. 2. Because this was just for demonstrative purposes. Not everything I make a video about is something that goes into production on my network.
FWIW, if anyone happens to have a QNAP TS-453D, I just discovered that it will actually boot off the two drives on the RHS nearest the power button. I had mine setup with 1x external USB 500 GB SSD plus 2x internal 500 SSDs in Raidz-1 (Proxmox) and that worked for a year but in reconfiguring it (to sell) I saw a couple of drives showing up in the BIOS which I never noticed before, so I removed the external USB SSD, reinstalled Proxmox, and it's now booting up directly off those two internal SSDs minus any USB drive! For over a year, I thought it was NOT possible to boot off the internal drives at all.
Thanks for showing us the process! Once you removed the internal USB boot drive, did you have to use that USB port for the TrueNAS installation media, or could you have used one of the other USB ports on the back?
Thanks for watching!! I read/saw/something that the device looks specifically for the internal USB port to boot from, but I didn't test the other ports.
I don't think that was the question. I think they were asking about being able to put the installation media into different USB ports just for the installation process, not installing on a USB drive. At least that's how I read it
Thanks for the videos I use them all the time to get stuff done that I have now clue how to do. I would love to see how to recover and volume that was accidently deleted.
There is a post somewhere about how to hack the TN installation script, so it only uses 16 or 32 GB of the boot drive in a separate partition. Then you could use the rest of the boot drive for storage, or perhaps cache in the case of a NVMe drive.
I don't remember the specifics, but it's just DDR4 SODIMM memory and, while TerraMaster has their own branded RAM, I wouldn't buy it since 8GB of TerraMaster RAM is $70 when you can get this 32GB kit (16x2) for just under $70: amzn.to/3T5CCBE (Amazon affiliate link).
@@DBTechYT Thank you so much. Just before I saw your reply, I assumed it was a standard DDR4 and ordered the very same kit from another vendor. I wish I has a bit more patience to wait and used your link :(
This looks like a relatively good device for the money, and the fact you can install another OS so easily is great. If anyone (like me was wondering what network chips it's using: Intel i225. (As seen in the BIOS on the FAST tab). @DB Tech - got any performance numbers for us??? 🙂
@Bernd Hofmann Like... Did you even watch the video? Why would you say that I didn't cover the specs of the device when I very clearly covered it TWICE.
My point of sending you wasn't to promote TrueNAS. It was to show you how the installation process works. I don't fee like I'm going to be any help to you because you just dump multiple questions at once every time you get an answer. Your comments/questions make you sound manic and frustrated. I would suggest going and doing more independent research on the NAS device you want to use and see if it fits your needs. If you can't find one, I would encourage you to head over to this subReddit as they are going to have more information that will be helpful to you than I will: www.reddit.com/r/HomeNAS/
@@DBTechYT the question is more about the capacity, 1GB ram trueNAS would work correctly, it is for personal use without much traffic, it is that I have tried to install odoo with the terramaster OS but it does not work and does not allow VPN, it is more to be able to give the odoo a function NAS F2-210. Or if you tell me a solution to be able to install external applications on that computer.
If the device only has 1GB of RAM, I wouldn't even bother installing anything else on it and would only use it as a NAS. Anything more than that might slow it down too much.
I ended up not doing anything with that device, so I scavenged a couple of hard drives out of it to build a CasaOS setup with a ZimaBlade. I still need to make a video about that device, but once I do, I'm planning on putting the TerraMaster back together and putting Unraid on it to give it a go.
I just got this Teramaster today - and I have been reading that some third-party RAM won't work on it - the ram listed in your description section is working okay for you?
the problem is with their software. TOS 5.0 blocked thirdparty ram, but I've seen posts saying they removed it with TOS 5.1. Anyway, if you use truenas there will be no problem.
Hi, is it possible to run proxmox then virtualize truenas scale on this terramaster f4-423? Hoping you could reply on my comment as I was eyeing for this build. Thanks!
@@DBTechYT I guess what I am asking is, is it even possible to boot off an external USB on the USB ports on the back of the enclosure? Also, my F4-423 is vibrating terribly, does yours as well. Video clip: th-cam.com/video/-gKKyu7C6qc/w-d-xo.html
I think it's possible to boot from the external USB ports, but I think you've got bigger problems. Are you able to isolate that to a single drive? I think you might want to run some tests to see if you've got a drive failing
@@DBTechYT Traefik + Authelia + cloudflare tunnels on one same video. Setting up a Navidrome with remote capabilities, bonus points if also includes the mobile app setup You can probably recreate Plex/Jellyfin + Prowlarr + Sonarr + Radarr + VPN qBittorrent (its been done by anyone with a pulse but there are very few that do it walking new users starting out on Truenas Scale) WG-Easy Any other TrueCharts app that does not currently have a video on youtube.
I have previously done this on a terramaster f2-221 just for an interesting project. It only has an Intel Apollo J3355 dual core , so not really expecting to et many VMs running.
Yeah. This one has 4 cores and 4 threads, so VMs are basically out of the question, but for running apps natively and storage, I think it'll be a great solution.
Even though it seems a good idea, are you sure there is no h/w level raid in terramaster default configuration? ... since zfs and h/w raid don t get along well due to the well known and documented reasons. Also you could have made a comparison test between smb speeds of terramaster's btrfs share and the same from truenas side. Finally you could set up a disk failure and check during the resilver process cpu utilization. As for what you do further with this installation, sync would be next logical step, nextcloud, vpn a small linux cli distro (turnkey , alma) with pi hole / ad-guard or something .
@@DBTechYT I do lots of stuff that isn't a good idea, lol. As Adam Savage often says the only difference between screwing around and science is documenting the process.
You do not need to remove or replace the internal USB to install a new OS. Instead plug a bootable USB in the front, enter BIOS, and you can swap which USB it boots from within an obscure submenu under the "Boot" tab.
True, but if you're going to install new RAM anyways, it would prefer to just replace the USB Stick, in case you are running in some sort of problems like a power failure (or bad CMOS battery) the system won't go and boot from the internal stick with the original OS on it, overriding your entire system. It then just starts the TrueNAS installation and waits there, for your input. So it's just some sort of a safety-feature if you like.
it’s hard to believe setup interfaces have not changed since the 80s. it’s 2023 and we’re all still using these ugly menus for bioses and setups with the blue background and grey foreground.
FYI as far as I know, this no longer is possible, because TrueNAS completely deactivated the Realtek drivers for the NICs in the Terramaster unit. Therefore, although you can install the current version of TrueNAS, it is not able to use the LAN ports on the NAS.
Sorry, this is not my field of experience, therefore I am asking: Does it even affect the F4-423? The processor in use is a Intel processor and not a realtek one like on some other units? Is there a Realtek component in the Terramaster F4-423 that causes this issue with the LAN ports? I ordered it cheaply and planned to put TrueNAS on it, but this comment makes me reconsider it if it's not has the full support for it.
I bought this Terramaster model, but it's not even using realtek. I currently have truenas running on it using the full bandwidth, so the information is misleading
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I like that step by step video! Good job!
Thank you for the educational video. Since you welcome proposals, most home users would probably benefit, if you created a series of setting up most common applications, in a way similar to omv. The underlying framework is somewhat different (kubernetes) and relevant documentation/guides/videos are severely lacking (at least when I searched some time ago). Personally, I use an ubuntu server and added apps through docker and although I have tried truenas and probably willing to move to the platform, the framework and lack of guides has held me back.
Thank you for this I'm running a HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 with Truenas scale.
On the console setup screen, how did you get from the nine options to your desktop? You didn't include that part.
Edit: I have another question, should I bother installing a second NVMe? I hear TrueNAS doesn't like cache disks.
Thanks for the video! I was actually thinking about doing this :D
Thanks for checking out the video! Had a fun time making it!
Follow-up video content idea. Truenas has features that other NAS operating systems do not: Compression and deduplication, due to the ZFS file system. Since this Terramaster NAS has a relatively weak CPU, I'd like to see how the NAS handles this.
I haven't found any good data on these features in a low traffic setup, such as only one write stream and a few reads at a time. Does compression tax the CPU to the max and affect speed? Is deduplication even possible, as this puts a lot of load on the CPU and memory?
Correct me if I'm wrong. But truenas scale takes your entire boot device right, I forget the term.. But there is a work around. That 1tb is nvme is a lot to sacrifice. He might have mentioned this in the video and I just missed it. Apologies if so.
2 reasons: 1. It's what I had on hand. 2. Because this was just for demonstrative purposes. Not everything I make a video about is something that goes into production on my network.
@@DBTechYT i get it. And I appreciate the content. 👍
What size screwdriver did u use. Can u provide a link. I'm having a hard time getting the screws out.
FWIW, if anyone happens to have a QNAP TS-453D, I just discovered that it will actually boot off the two drives on the RHS nearest the power button. I had mine setup with 1x external USB 500 GB SSD plus 2x internal 500 SSDs in Raidz-1 (Proxmox) and that worked for a year but in reconfiguring it (to sell) I saw a couple of drives showing up in the BIOS which I never noticed before, so I removed the external USB SSD, reinstalled Proxmox, and it's now booting up directly off those two internal SSDs minus any USB drive! For over a year, I thought it was NOT possible to boot off the internal drives at all.
Thanks for showing us the process! Once you removed the internal USB boot drive, did you have to use that USB port for the TrueNAS installation media, or could you have used one of the other USB ports on the back?
Thanks for watching!! I read/saw/something that the device looks specifically for the internal USB port to boot from, but I didn't test the other ports.
@@DBTechYT X-Systems doesn't recommend running TrueNAS from USB since version 11 core
I don't think that was the question. I think they were asking about being able to put the installation media into different USB ports just for the installation process, not installing on a USB drive. At least that's how I read it
@@DBTechYT Correct.
Nice video! Make a video please on how to use this as external storage like you did in the RPI serie (/config, /tv etc....together with docker)
Thanks for the videos I use them all the time to get stuff done that I have now clue how to do. I would love to see how to recover and volume that was accidently deleted.
There is a post somewhere about how to hack the TN installation script, so it only uses 16 or 32 GB of the boot drive in a separate partition. Then you could use the rest of the boot drive for storage, or perhaps cache in the case of a NVMe drive.
Great video. Can you please provide spec/details of the DDR4 16GBx2 you installed. Thanks
I don't remember the specifics, but it's just DDR4 SODIMM memory and, while TerraMaster has their own branded RAM, I wouldn't buy it since 8GB of TerraMaster RAM is $70 when you can get this 32GB kit (16x2) for just under $70: amzn.to/3T5CCBE (Amazon affiliate link).
@@DBTechYT Thank you so much. Just before I saw your reply, I assumed it was a standard DDR4 and ordered the very same kit from another vendor. I wish I has a bit more patience to wait and used your link :(
This looks like a relatively good device for the money, and the fact you can install another OS so easily is great. If anyone (like me was wondering what network chips it's using: Intel i225. (As seen in the BIOS on the FAST tab).
@DB Tech - got any performance numbers for us??? 🙂
Not yet, but I'll what I can put together :)
@Bernd Hofmann I did. Twice. First here: th-cam.com/video/5zz4netQZRc/w-d-xo.html and then here: th-cam.com/video/5zz4netQZRc/w-d-xo.html
@Bernd Hofmann Like... Did you even watch the video? Why would you say that I didn't cover the specs of the device when I very clearly covered it TWICE.
Great info. can you do a review about R86S G3 Firewall you had in the background. Thanks a million
It's on my to-do list :)
What's the main advantage of True NAS, other than the User Interface? Does True NAS allow it to be remotely accessed like DropBox using a Mobile App?
My point of sending you wasn't to promote TrueNAS. It was to show you how the installation process works.
I don't fee like I'm going to be any help to you because you just dump multiple questions at once every time you get an answer. Your comments/questions make you sound manic and frustrated.
I would suggest going and doing more independent research on the NAS device you want to use and see if it fits your needs. If you can't find one, I would encourage you to head over to this subReddit as they are going to have more information that will be helpful to you than I will: www.reddit.com/r/HomeNAS/
@@DBTechYT Thank you.
Just wondering how well this is running on the USB. TrueNAS recommends against installing the OS on USB.
The USB is just the installation media. Everything gets stored on the hard drives.
Hello, like a TERRAMASTER F2-210, do you think it is possible to install trueNAS on that device?
Should be almost the exact same process
@@DBTechYT the question is more about the capacity, 1GB ram trueNAS would work correctly, it is for personal use without much traffic, it is that I have tried to install odoo with the terramaster OS but it does not work and does not allow VPN, it is more to be able to give the odoo a function NAS F2-210. Or if you tell me a solution to be able to install external applications on that computer.
If the device only has 1GB of RAM, I wouldn't even bother installing anything else on it and would only use it as a NAS. Anything more than that might slow it down too much.
I know this a year old video, but did you leave TrueNAS on the device? And after a year what are thoughts still on it, if you are still using.
I ended up not doing anything with that device, so I scavenged a couple of hard drives out of it to build a CasaOS setup with a ZimaBlade. I still need to make a video about that device, but once I do, I'm planning on putting the TerraMaster back together and putting Unraid on it to give it a go.
I just got this Teramaster today - and I have been reading that some third-party RAM won't work on it - the ram listed in your description section is working okay for you?
It's been working without issue since I installed it.
the problem is with their software. TOS 5.0 blocked thirdparty ram, but I've seen posts saying they removed it with TOS 5.1. Anyway, if you use truenas there will be no problem.
just curious about the NVME drive, is 1TB overkill? I recently install TrueNas Scale on a 240gb NVME and was wondering if there is a sweet spot?
The NVMe drive is proabably overkill for this setup, but it's what I had laying around, so it's what I used
Can you do Unraid on the same system ?
You should be able to install any x86-compatible OS on the device that you want as long as the system requirements are met by the device
Hi, is it possible to run proxmox then virtualize truenas scale on this terramaster f4-423? Hoping you could reply on my comment as I was eyeing for this build. Thanks!
You *could* but this device only has 4 cores and 4 threads, so it's not a powerhouse of any kind
Why not go with unRAID, that runs from USB. You could use teh nvme as a cache drive. This would be a better solution imho
Can’t true nas run from usb?
@@Martin-delta note sure, but it is not recommended.. unRAID runs in the ram so it doesn't wear out the USB that much as truenas will
Because this was just for demonstrative purposes. Not everything I make a video about is something that goes into production on my network.
Why do you have to open the unit and swap usb sticks? It has two external USB ports.
I like taking things apart
@@DBTechYT I guess what I am asking is, is it even possible to boot off an external USB on the USB ports on the back of the enclosure? Also, my F4-423 is vibrating terribly, does yours as well. Video clip: th-cam.com/video/-gKKyu7C6qc/w-d-xo.html
@@DBTechYT I guess what I was asking is is it possible to boot off of USB if you plug in the USB in the ports on the outside of the case?
I think it's possible to boot from the external USB ports, but I think you've got bigger problems. Are you able to isolate that to a single drive? I think you might want to run some tests to see if you've got a drive failing
Do more videos using Truenas Scale as the systems OS
That's what we have installed here. Are there specific things you'd like to see videos on?
@@DBTechYT Traefik + Authelia + cloudflare tunnels on one same video.
Setting up a Navidrome with remote capabilities, bonus points if also includes the mobile app setup
You can probably recreate Plex/Jellyfin + Prowlarr + Sonarr + Radarr + VPN qBittorrent (its been done by anyone with a pulse but there are very few that do it walking new users starting out on Truenas Scale)
WG-Easy
Any other TrueCharts app that does not currently have a video on youtube.
I have previously done this on a terramaster f2-221 just for an interesting project. It only has an Intel Apollo J3355 dual core , so not really expecting to et many VMs running.
Yeah. This one has 4 cores and 4 threads, so VMs are basically out of the question, but for running apps natively and storage, I think it'll be a great solution.
Please upload some things on documents management system
do you have any specific document management systems in mind?
Even though it seems a good idea, are you sure there is no h/w level raid in terramaster default configuration? ... since zfs and h/w raid don t get along well due to the well known and documented reasons. Also you could have made a comparison test between smb speeds of terramaster's btrfs share and the same from truenas side. Finally you could set up a disk failure and check during the resilver process cpu utilization.
As for what you do further with this installation, sync would be next logical step, nextcloud, vpn a small linux cli distro (turnkey , alma) with pi hole / ad-guard or something .
I definitely never said that this was a *good* idea, but I'll keep your comment in mind moving forward with future videos :)
@@DBTechYT I do lots of stuff that isn't a good idea, lol. As Adam Savage often says the only difference between screwing around and science is documenting the process.
@@Trains-With-Shane SCIENCE!!
You do not need to remove or replace the internal USB to install a new OS.
Instead plug a bootable USB in the front, enter BIOS, and you can swap which USB it boots from within an obscure submenu under the "Boot" tab.
True, but if you're going to install new RAM anyways, it would prefer to just replace the USB Stick, in case you are running in some sort of problems like a power failure (or bad CMOS battery) the system won't go and boot from the internal stick with the original OS on it, overriding your entire system. It then just starts the TrueNAS installation and waits there, for your input. So it's just some sort of a safety-feature if you like.
it’s hard to believe setup interfaces have not changed since the 80s. it’s 2023 and we’re all still using these ugly menus for bioses and setups with the blue background and grey foreground.
No argument from me
FYI as far as I know, this no longer is possible, because TrueNAS completely deactivated the Realtek drivers for the NICs in the Terramaster unit. Therefore, although you can install the current version of TrueNAS, it is not able to use the LAN ports on the NAS.
Sorry, this is not my field of experience, therefore I am asking: Does it even affect the F4-423? The processor in use is a Intel processor and not a realtek one like on some other units? Is there a Realtek component in the Terramaster F4-423 that causes this issue with the LAN ports? I ordered it cheaply and planned to put TrueNAS on it, but this comment makes me reconsider it if it's not has the full support for it.
If that's the case, wouldn't it mean the ethernet ports don't work even in the default OS?
I bought this Terramaster model, but it's not even using realtek. I currently have truenas running on it using the full bandwidth, so the information is misleading
Very misleading and complete lie. The system works just fine with TrueNAS. Why would they disable the NICs?