This update is out now! Some regions of the Pearl support site still don't show it, so here are direct links to all of the new updates! ► Manual for v1.4.18 - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/document/dgnao0qdf53mrc7b92iiuloi1q/MtrR8uqhmY5J-Ce0ozekW5NTS1Y/original?content-type=application%2Fpdf&name=PearlMimicPRO-User-Manual-v1.4.18.pdf ► Software Update v1.4.18 - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/other/nr60k4bhph29rf2hlqbgk86l5k/K90wXpSoshY-pHhngqqN3nzDH-k/original?content-type=application%2Fzip&name=Pearl+Mimic+Pro+Update+1.4.18.zip ► Library Update Installer (Windows) - slate-product-files.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/pmp/updates/PMP_Library_Updater_Setup_2.0.0.exe ► Library Update Installer (Mac) - slate-product-files.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/mimic/updater/PMP_Library_Updater_2.0.0.dmg ► Mimic Instrument Editor (PC only) - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/other/17de9hvb4t43ndgc3r64cqmu4s/GyhSH35thmhVSQAddOROXoVhXNc/original?content-type=application%2Fzip&name=Pearl+Mimic+Pro+Instrument+Editor+-+PC+Windows.zip
Wow! I didn’t know this was coming. Very exciting! I’m so happy that I chose to buy a Mimic Pro. eDW was a huge influence in that decision. Thanks Luke!
@@alexyoung5798 It totally depends on what you mean by "better"! It sounds more "acoustic" than the TD-50X, it can now load new multilayer instruments whereas the 50X can't and it does some other features in ways that the 50X doesn't/can't. But the 50X can do other things better than the Mimic, like quick sound shaping on-module with its modelling, transient shaping, multiFX and some other stuff. The digital pads paired with the 50X are still pretty top-tier when it comes to playability too, but the Mimic rivals its trigger performance with analogue pads. So it really depends on what your wants and needs are.
Tried the position sense with different pads this morning, here are my findings: EFnote 14 snare from the efnote 7 kit: works just perfect, smooth transition between center and side samples. Roland PDA-120LS: works good on the sides but not on the top part where you usually start rolls, it triggers center sounds starting from the top, ghost notes on both sides are triggered correctly as side sounds. Roland PD-108: works great, good transition from side to center sounds from all sides. GEWA 14" from the gewa g5 pro BS kit, works ok, good transition from center to side samples, struggles a bit with low velocity side hits being registered as center hits but overall works ok, rim signal is also a bit weak. So to resume if I have to pick one right now it would be: 1. EFNOTE 14" Snare 2. Roland PD-108 3: GEWA 14" 4: Roland PD120LS
Hey Luke, thanks a lot for you video! I hope you will release the special video on positional sensing settings soon. I use an EFnote 14inch snare (4 side triggers) which I can´t dial in as smooth as you show with the ATV snare. Anyway, I would like to thank you again for bringing your expertise up in all your videos and your posts on vdrums!
Hey Luke, Around 2:00 you noted you were going to post a more in-depth video on setting up Positional Sensing . I was wondering if this ever happened? I'm working on setting up PS with my Roland PD-128 (& PD-125). It works OK but I was hoping for more. I may have forgot something or maybe you have some other magic for me to perform. Thanks, Steve K.
Hey Luke, First off thank you for your input, evaluation, suggestions, and concern. Much appreciated. You briefly addressed this. Not to be too demanding here but regarding positional sensing on pads other than ATV, you noted it works somewhat on a single cone Roland PD-128. Do you believe this would also be successful on a Roland PD-125? If so, what manufacturer pad assignment would you suggest? Thanks again, Steve K.
Hey! I would imagine so, but of course I haven't been able to test it. You would have to use the ATV preset for it and probably invert the position like I mentioned for the PD-128. The rest of the setup would then need to be tailored to the exact pad (top velocity, head/rim balance, the exact values for the centre/edge samples etc.)
Good to hear. Although I'm not the most knowledgeably eDrummer techie or PMP guy around I'll give it a try and keep everyone posted. Again, thanks. . .
Towards the end of the video, you speak of the HCM NL-1 trigger bar and start playing it at 8:35. What snare drum is this mounted on? Is it the ATV ad13?
Great videos!! I´ve just updated my library and the sounds are amazing. 077 Hot Chili kit is perfect! Just a question, which is the best snare to have with mimic pro today? I have the Roland PD-128S. thanks!
Legitimately - I used the mimic editor and I don’t understand how you can separate out room sounds for the direct sources to be able to work within the mimics mixer. For example - snare direct hit on the default sounds are a mix of direct, overhead and room. How can I do this for my own samples? Is it possible?
@@TheSteveKinney I don't know for sure but I think it's very unlikely. Would be a huge task to undertake for a tiny percentage of users, as I understand it. This library update and editor was a pretty massive update for a module that's been out a long time, I doubt we'll see a lot more like it unless it just starts selling crazy numbers! (Again, a guess/prediction based on what's happened so far - I don't know what their plans are, if there are any.)
I need some help. I am upgrading my TD11 kit, this will be my second adventure into the e-drum fame . Should I just go with the TD50 with digital snare, digital hi hat and digital ride or stay on course with my PD-108 toms, PD-108 Floor tom, 13CYR, QTY 2 12CYC, with PD-125BK Snare. I am looking for a kit for the studio and professional recording.
Damn! I just recently discover that huge pmp update! It is soooo cool! And yes… I dream 808 and 909 sounds would be added in future. Luke, could You make detailed video of making music that follows drums, rather than playing to backing tracks? I think Shawn Crowder from Sungazer shown sometning like that a while ago. Like programing kick trigger with random sounds based on some scales. Same on snare and everything else. Cymbals making synth backgrounds ect. You know what I mean. I wish to set up my pmp module with DAW so whatever I play on drums the music follows based on different formulas I choose. In future I dream about virtual band members based on AI modules. Imagine virtual bass, guitar or piano players play along with You. Each one learning from You and every other AI band member! That will change everything. Thanks for awesome video. Much love.
Great Video Luke, I was wondering is the atv s 13 snare worth the purchase. Does the update fix the Lemon 18 inch ride problem do we still have to switch the Wires.....Thxs
Hey Luke, great Video. Could you please explain how the PS setup for a ATV Snare is made? What are your settings Head Center Sound at: and Head side sound at: and how is ypu Mesh tuning? I use drum dial but the PS is not very accurate even ...
Just got my Mimic Pro and used your video as reference. Thanks a lot! One question: is there a table to use as reference for the best preset for each pad? I have PDA-120 (snare and floor tom) and PDA-100 (as rack tom), but I'm not sure which preset to choose. The PDA-120 is a 3 cone, similar to ATV aD-S13, but I'm not sure it this is the best preset to choose.
I just purchased a used pearl mimic pro. I'm so excited to get it Friday. I almost bought the Roland V71 module but got the mimic instead. Hopefully it was the right choice because I do like the V71 from the videos I watched .
Would it be possible to add positional sensing to v-drums connected to Addictive drums, by adding another piezo to the edge of a drum and connecting it to the AUX input of the Roland module and then Midi Mapping it inside Addictive?
I've never tried a method like that but I don't think it would work, no. Both piezos would still trigger whether you hit the edge or center (a side trigger still picks up hits from other locations), so I think it would just trigger both inputs at different velocities depending on where you're hitting the pad.
Hello, I updated my mimic and finally they fixed the player. it stops at the end of the sequence now BUT Loop still doesn't work for professional playback. the timeline works in seconds (c'mon!!!) , i made then a separate track for the loop section but although the tracks loops ok there is around a eighth pause at 114 bpm when the player goes to next song. Can you communicate with the team developping mimic software? the loop can't be used in shows this way and it would be a really nice feature to add to the module. otherwise the loop function will be locked to rehearsing pourposes only and it would definetly be a pity.
Hi Luke. I'm surprised that Pearl managed to put PS on a three cone trigger system like ATVs. Could you make a video on comparing the PS for different pads?
Great video Luke. Does the Pearl Mimic have setting for the Alesis Strike pads and if so do you get rim triggering as well? (Full functionality of the pad)
Sorry, I missed this! There aren't built-in presets for Strike pads specifically as far as I remember, but it should be possible to dial them in ok for head and rim triggering with the right preset type (Dual Piezo/Side Trigger). I used to use an Alesis Strike pad as a floor tom and Don recall having any problems using it with the Mimic.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi, Thanks for the answer ! I have another question if you could try to give an answer that would be awesome : Are Alesis strike pads eligible to positional sensing on the mimic ?
Do these custom trigger settings exist for other brands? I have ATV aDrums performance drums and would like to have the correct settings for the Pearl Mimic Pro. Does ATV provide them? Can produce them (of course I would be willing to pay for your efforts)?
Hey! I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for. There are pad presets in the Mimic Pro for ATV cymbals and the aD-S13 snare drum in the most recent update. You will still need to dial them in to your liking - this can't be done without the pad and module in front of you as every pad will respond a little different and every person expects a different feel. The rest of the ATV drum pads can be used easily with other presets already found on the module - most kick drum presets will work with most pads and the toms would dial in easily with the dual zone side-trigger option.
hello, I tried many options, somehow I don't like it, but I see that it's good for you, I will be very grateful if you help me to make the dynamics, according to you, if it doesn't work for me, the dynamics, I'm willing to pay, help me please😢
Great video! This his a huge improvement! Love Mimic! A question please, do you know the kit you used at 00:20? This kit has a marvelous sound! Thanks Luke for this great video!
Thanks! Yeah, it's a pretty massive update eh? It's just one that I threw together to show off the PS, not sure what instruments I used because it was my "tester" preset that's already been changed for other parts of the video. I'll see if I can find them again when I'm next in the studio but can't promise anything!
The multilayer sample support with the new Mimic Instrument Editor pips it for me at the moment. But my mind changes between them whenever I use one for a few hours 😂
Hi Luke, I have ATV Snare/Tom Pad "xD-P13M" (also equipped with the 3 coins). I think the positional sensing works very well. I'm just wondering, is the "aD-S13" snare much better in terms of this technology (pos-sens / 3 coins) and whether it's definitely worth changing? After all, the price difference is quite large...
Hey! I haven't tested it myself to know for sure, but I believe that those xD pads are very similar to the aD pads (same 3 cones on the head). I think the rim piezo setup might be different (from what I've read, at least). Since it's just using the head for the PS, my guess is that you would get very similar results with the xD pads. As I say, I can't be sure, but I'd be surprised if there was a big difference swapping between these pads on the Mimic.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, many thanks for the quick reply. I just spoke with a technician from drum-tec and he confirmed that technically there is no difference between these two snare-pads.
Hi Luke, thanks for the Mimic Pro update overview. I have a question about your hi-hat setup in the video. I'm also using a Yamaha PCY135 for my hi-hat. I'm using an eDRUMin 10 with Superior Drummer. I notice you're not using the Yamaha pin and that you seem to have the PCY135 held in a way that there is only the amount of movement you might get with an acoustic hi-hat that's closed but not with full foot down pressure. Have you ever shared the details on how you have that set - it looks like it plays better than what I'm doing now. Thanks
Hey! I'm just using a hi-hat clutch to hold the PCY-135 in place, but it has rubber washers instead of felts. This is a big part of what stops it from moving too much because the rubber fills the hole entirely rather than just sitting on top of it like felts would, so it grips down on it pretty hard. The rubber then also helps to prevent spinning since I'm not using the anti-spin rod.
I'm not sure if this is the exact one because I got mine as part of a kit I bought second hand, but it looks very much like this one - www.musicroom.com/mapex-hi-hat-clutch-mpxhihatclutch
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I was looking for a clutch with rubber, however, I just put a tama quick-set cymbal mate directly upside-down without any felt directly against the top of the hat (on all my cybmals actually) and I dig it
Can you please do a video on how to use the mimic pro live. The manual says not to use xlr cables because it will damage the unit. Most live venues use xlr snakes. Thank you.
Yes, I believe if phantom power gets turned on for those XLR channels, it could damage the module. Best practice is to use a DI box (either one for each channel you use or a DI rack with multiple DIs), that way you can use jack outputs from the module which will be converted XLR for the front of house and also eliminate that phantom power issue.
Hi, anyone have any experience of running this module with Alesis Strike Pro SE hardware? I think I have positional sensing on my Alesis snare… would this work ok? Thanks,
Luke, now the Hihat CC is now on the same midi channel as the hihat, does that now mean you can layer toms too you out midi out to midi in (like you tried in an earlier video)
Hey man! Someone else asked me this a while back and I haven't tested it yet. At first I didn't think so because the main issue was to do with not being able to user-assign the CC yourself to be on different in/out channels, but if changing the hat bow in/out note channels does affect the CC now, there is a chance it might work. I'll have to actually test it haha!
I wonder what the consensus will be comparing the Mimic to the TD-50X sound wise. Has Roland caught up or do to it's sound engine it will never catch up to Mimic ?
Only you can determine that by listening to the sounds keep in mind that Roland sounds are processed and Pearl raw sounds are studio recorded from different drum kits.
I don't even know if we could reach a consensus, to be honest! There are seemingly as many Roland purists around as there are people who swear by only VST-level sounds. The approach to the sounds are objectively different, so anyone who prefers "real drums" recorded in a "real room" will likely prefer the Slate samples, whereas Roland's sound character has a charm that some people really warm to and it's very customisable.
$200 😱 but yes, I agree! Still having support this far on is admirable, it's absolutely not something that they need to do but here we are with a proper functionality boost.
With my testing so far, it feels like the head response is a little more even than my Roland PDA-120L, which is awesome. Might be the size difference, will have to test more, but I like it!
I've not tried them, but I believe they should do because they're effectively the same build as ATV pads. I'm sure I've seen someone confirm they work just as well, but I can't remember where off the top of my head.
Yeah, the snare will be available soon with presets to go with it! The toms and cymbals on the kit in this video are from Superior Drummer 2 though, so the presets are using Slate sounds for those instead.
Oh wait, sorry. I was thinking of the editor video. All of the instruments in the first kit of this video are stock ones. I'm not sure exactly which ones because I just threw it together as a tester kit to show things off.
I don't know when I tried the mimic I didn't like it as much as the efnote. I guess the samples seemed to clean or something. I know they are really decent samples tho.
I tried PS and couldn't get it to do anything then found out that PS only works on the SD4 and 5 kits (The stock instruments from mimic) not the new SD3 kits that were added.
Yeah, the SSD3 snares don't have full head side samples, unfortunately. One thing I've noticed is that there is a slight variation when you go to the edge because the head of these samples actually contains the rimshot on the highest velocities, whereas the version of the head samples that make up the "side" articulation doesn't! I'll make sure to include all of this info if I get around to the PS setup video I'm hoping to do at some point.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Sweet! My edrumin4 is in transit. I sourced a used pd-125 for PS with it but probably would have gone with a 120 had I seen this video beforehand. I’ll get one and use whichever I like less for a tom
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, my eDRUMin and PD-125 arrived today. I am just focused on testing the used PD-125 atm. May I ask for your input? With my TM-6 Pro, I am simply swapping out the PD-125 for the PDX-8 I am using for the snare which I have triggering exactly as desired and I would like to achieve the same or better results with the PD-125. I am able to get the results I want on the rim of the PD-125 with the factory TM-6 Pro PD-125 trigger settings, however, the head seems less loud and I am having to put in too much effort with heavier sticks to both hit the head hard and quickly enough to achieve a proper amount of attack with varied settings across PD-128, PD-125X, PD-125 or even PDX-8 trigger profiles. The rim is at the sensitivity where I want it to be and increasing the sensitivity by 1 is a bit too strong for the head and also doesn't really solve my attack problem. Specifically the used PD-125 (which is in good shape) came with a drum-tec real feel mesh head and this is my first experience with either. The PDX-8 has its stock v-drum remo head. When playing hi-hat to snare and back the snare really has trouble distinguishing itself due to the lack of attack. There doesn't seem to be a significant hotspot on the pad. It does trigger stronger in the center but I pretty much have to hit it dead on the cone with force and speed to achieve the proper amount of attack. Have you tried the drum-tec real feel mesh heads vs the stock v-drum remo heads on a PD-125 before and observed reduced transient sensitivity in head triggering?
@@3rdGen-Media I'm glad you worked out what the issue was. Just for future reference, if you do find that the head signal needs the sensitivity increasing but the rim is now giving too "hot" a signal, you can use the Rim Gain setting to bring the rim down in relation to the head. If you go down to 0.9 or further, this will effectively be 90% of the head signal and so on.
The feature has been added in the most recent eDRUMin software! I've not tried it myself but it seems other users have had good results. Check out the Audiofront forum, there might be more details there.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks man I wanted to check that out so I can buy a snare with that trigger setup, I was thinking on buying the ATV XD-P13, but do you know why is so cheap? is there something that I m missing because you can buy it for $159.00
To be honest, I'm not sure why it's so cheap but it seems like a bargain! It might be because they're usually supplied with the cheaper ATV pad kits but that's just a guess. I've considered picking one up myself in the past due to their price.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks if by any chance you play it, let me know please, because if I buy it, I will order it online becase those products don´t exist in my country so I won´t be able to try it out before I buy it
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I do wonder if the positional sensing is on par with the Roland digital snare? I stayed away from the digital snare for a couple years due to I normally play a 13 inch acoustic snare. But once I finally got the digital snare hooked up to my td27 it was a game changer. The realism it added was amazing. Much of a bigger jump than the digital hats. I never knew what I was missing.
It's not as accurate as the digital snare in terms of exact tracking - it jumps around a bit more and it seems a little more sensitive to badly tensioned heads. (Though if I watch the monitor on my 50X, it jumps around a bit more than you would think!) However, in practice it's not noticeably worse when playing and it adds a LOT to the sound and feel of the instruments. It just adds so much more liveliness to the SSD 4 & 5 sounds in particular.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I don't disagree overall, but I will add from my experience that equal head tension does make a difference. I have a 13" DIY three-cone snare with which I have achieved equal or better PS response than my ATV. That could be due to the fact that I have a Drum-Tec Real Feel head on the DIY which is a bit firmer, whereas the ATV head flexes more where a strike is hit. You may want to try the Drum-Tec head. I haven't tried the Drum-Tec head on my ATV snare but I may when I get a minute of spare time.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop FWIW I wired my DIY three-cone snare piezos in parallel and PS did not work. I switched to parallel and it work fantastic - as good as my ATV snares.
so where are all the videos showing how awesome the superior drummer 3 samples play on this? none out there... why? because they don't sound awesome....
This update is out now! Some regions of the Pearl support site still don't show it, so here are direct links to all of the new updates!
► Manual for v1.4.18 - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/document/dgnao0qdf53mrc7b92iiuloi1q/MtrR8uqhmY5J-Ce0ozekW5NTS1Y/original?content-type=application%2Fpdf&name=PearlMimicPRO-User-Manual-v1.4.18.pdf
► Software Update v1.4.18 - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/other/nr60k4bhph29rf2hlqbgk86l5k/K90wXpSoshY-pHhngqqN3nzDH-k/original?content-type=application%2Fzip&name=Pearl+Mimic+Pro+Update+1.4.18.zip
► Library Update Installer (Windows) - slate-product-files.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/pmp/updates/PMP_Library_Updater_Setup_2.0.0.exe
► Library Update Installer (Mac) - slate-product-files.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/mimic/updater/PMP_Library_Updater_2.0.0.dmg
► Mimic Instrument Editor (PC only) - pearldrums.canto.com/direct/other/17de9hvb4t43ndgc3r64cqmu4s/GyhSH35thmhVSQAddOROXoVhXNc/original?content-type=application%2Fzip&name=Pearl+Mimic+Pro+Instrument+Editor+-+PC+Windows.zip
Thanks for a wonderful video, Luke! The best module just got better!
Wow! I didn’t know this was coming. Very exciting! I’m so happy that I chose to buy a Mimic Pro. eDW was a huge influence in that decision. Thanks Luke!
It's been a long time coming! Glad you're enjoying the module!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop is this module considerably better than the TD50x?
@@alexyoung5798 It totally depends on what you mean by "better"! It sounds more "acoustic" than the TD-50X, it can now load new multilayer instruments whereas the 50X can't and it does some other features in ways that the 50X doesn't/can't. But the 50X can do other things better than the Mimic, like quick sound shaping on-module with its modelling, transient shaping, multiFX and some other stuff. The digital pads paired with the 50X are still pretty top-tier when it comes to playability too, but the Mimic rivals its trigger performance with analogue pads. So it really depends on what your wants and needs are.
I was blown away by how good the mimic pro snare drums were sounding in this video! Do you still love the Mimic pro?
Damn, I wonder how they did the position sensing with 3 cones that are essentially just grouped together into one signal. That's actually impressive.
Really cool to see that positional sensing on a 3 cone setup is possible. Great video! :)
Thanks! 🙏 Yeah it's awesome to see it, don't think anyone expected it!
Tried the position sense with different pads this morning, here are my findings: EFnote 14 snare from the efnote 7 kit: works just perfect, smooth transition between center and side samples. Roland PDA-120LS: works good on the sides but not on the top part where you usually start rolls, it triggers center sounds starting from the top, ghost notes on both sides are triggered correctly as side sounds. Roland PD-108: works great, good transition from side to center sounds from all sides. GEWA 14" from the gewa g5 pro BS kit, works ok, good transition from center to side samples, struggles a bit with low velocity side hits being registered as center hits but overall works ok, rim signal is also a bit weak. So to resume if I have to pick one right now it would be:
1. EFNOTE 14" Snare
2. Roland PD-108
3: GEWA 14"
4: Roland PD120LS
Awesome!
Multilayer Sample import is huge! Hopefully Lustark updates SDSE to be more optimized for the mimic. I've been using the 2box preset
I imagine it probably will be, considering how many other platforms it's been updated for!
Hey Luke,
thanks a lot for you video!
I hope you will release the special video on positional sensing settings soon.
I use an EFnote 14inch snare (4 side triggers) which I can´t dial in as smooth as you show with the ATV snare.
Anyway, I would like to thank you again for bringing your expertise up in all your videos and your posts on vdrums!
Hey Luke,
Around 2:00 you noted you were going to post a more in-depth video on setting up Positional Sensing . I was wondering if this ever happened? I'm working on setting up PS with my Roland PD-128 (& PD-125). It works OK but I was hoping for more. I may have forgot something or maybe you have some other magic for me to perform.
Thanks,
Steve K.
Another great one, Luke! So much great info.
Thank you 🙏
Hey Luke,
First off thank you for your input, evaluation, suggestions, and concern. Much appreciated.
You briefly addressed this. Not to be too demanding here but regarding positional sensing on pads other than ATV, you noted it works somewhat on a single cone Roland PD-128. Do you believe this would also be successful on a Roland PD-125? If so, what manufacturer pad assignment would you suggest?
Thanks again,
Steve K.
Hey! I would imagine so, but of course I haven't been able to test it. You would have to use the ATV preset for it and probably invert the position like I mentioned for the PD-128. The rest of the setup would then need to be tailored to the exact pad (top velocity, head/rim balance, the exact values for the centre/edge samples etc.)
Good to hear. Although I'm not the most knowledgeably eDrummer techie or PMP guy around I'll give it a try and keep everyone posted. Again, thanks. . .
Towards the end of the video, you speak of the HCM NL-1 trigger bar and start playing it at 8:35. What snare drum is this mounted on? Is it the ATV ad13?
Hey! Yeah, it's the ATV aD-S13
Congrats man you are at 10k, congratulations ❤️
Thanks!
Great videos!! I´ve just updated my library and the sounds are amazing. 077 Hot Chili kit is perfect! Just a question, which is the best snare to have with mimic pro today? I have the Roland PD-128S. thanks!
Legitimately - I used the mimic editor and I don’t understand how you can separate out room sounds for the direct sources to be able to work within the mimics mixer.
For example - snare direct hit on the default sounds are a mix of direct, overhead and room.
How can I do this for my own samples? Is it possible?
You can't, sorry. It's bounced-down stereo mixes only.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop you think they will update this at all?
@@TheSteveKinney I don't know for sure but I think it's very unlikely. Would be a huge task to undertake for a tiny percentage of users, as I understand it. This library update and editor was a pretty massive update for a module that's been out a long time, I doubt we'll see a lot more like it unless it just starts selling crazy numbers! (Again, a guess/prediction based on what's happened so far - I don't know what their plans are, if there are any.)
Well, time to consider buying this module then.
I need some help. I am upgrading my TD11 kit, this will be my second adventure into the e-drum fame . Should I just go with the TD50 with digital snare, digital hi hat and digital ride or stay on course with my PD-108 toms, PD-108 Floor tom, 13CYR, QTY 2 12CYC, with PD-125BK Snare. I am looking for a kit for the studio and professional recording.
Damn! I just recently discover that huge pmp update! It is soooo cool! And yes… I dream 808 and 909 sounds would be added in future.
Luke, could You make detailed video of making music that follows drums, rather than playing to backing tracks? I think Shawn Crowder from Sungazer shown sometning like that a while ago. Like programing kick trigger with random sounds based on some scales. Same on snare and everything else. Cymbals making synth backgrounds ect. You know what I mean. I wish to set up my pmp module with DAW so whatever I play on drums the music follows based on different formulas I choose. In future I dream about virtual band members based on AI modules. Imagine virtual bass, guitar or piano players play along with You. Each one learning from You and every other AI band member! That will change everything. Thanks for awesome video.
Much love.
Great Video Luke, I was wondering is the atv s 13 snare worth the purchase. Does the update fix the Lemon 18 inch ride problem do we still have to switch the Wires.....Thxs
Cheers bud, finally pearl/slate listened to us
Hey Luke, great Video. Could you please explain how the PS setup for a ATV Snare is made? What are your settings Head Center Sound at: and Head side sound at: and how is ypu Mesh tuning? I use drum dial but the PS is not very accurate even ...
Just got my Mimic Pro and used your video as reference. Thanks a lot!
One question: is there a table to use as reference for the best preset for each pad?
I have PDA-120 (snare and floor tom) and PDA-100 (as rack tom), but I'm not sure which preset to choose. The PDA-120 is a 3 cone, similar to ATV aD-S13, but I'm not sure it this is the best preset to choose.
I just purchased a used pearl mimic pro. I'm so excited to get it Friday. I almost bought the Roland V71 module but got the mimic instead. Hopefully it was the right choice because I do like the V71 from the videos I watched .
Great video! Thank You!
Hello, i'm french, how do you do to have all these snare drum samples with mimic pro please ? thanks for all informations
Would it be possible to add positional sensing to v-drums connected to Addictive drums, by adding another piezo to the edge of a drum and connecting it to the AUX input of the Roland module and then Midi Mapping it inside Addictive?
I've never tried a method like that but I don't think it would work, no. Both piezos would still trigger whether you hit the edge or center (a side trigger still picks up hits from other locations), so I think it would just trigger both inputs at different velocities depending on where you're hitting the pad.
Hello, I updated my mimic and finally they fixed the player. it stops at the end of the sequence now BUT Loop still doesn't work for professional playback. the timeline works in seconds (c'mon!!!) , i made then a separate track for the loop section but although the tracks loops ok there is around a eighth pause at 114 bpm when the player goes to next song. Can you communicate with the team developping mimic software? the loop can't be used in shows this way and it would be a really nice feature to add to the module. otherwise the loop function will be locked to rehearsing pourposes only and it would definetly be a pity.
Any news on the positional sensing setup guide that you mention in this video?
Hi Luke. I'm surprised that Pearl managed to put PS on a three cone trigger system like ATVs. Could you make a video on comparing the PS for different pads?
Great video Luke. Does the Pearl Mimic have setting for the Alesis Strike pads and if so do you get rim triggering as well? (Full functionality of the pad)
Hi,
Did you get any answer to that ? I might buy this module and use it with my strike pads as well !
Sorry, I missed this! There aren't built-in presets for Strike pads specifically as far as I remember, but it should be possible to dial them in ok for head and rim triggering with the right preset type (Dual Piezo/Side Trigger). I used to use an Alesis Strike pad as a floor tom and Don recall having any problems using it with the Mimic.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop
Hi,
Thanks for the answer ! I have another question if you could try to give an answer that would be awesome :
Are Alesis strike pads eligible to positional sensing on the mimic ?
Wow, very cool.
Do these custom trigger settings exist for other brands? I have ATV aDrums performance drums and would like to have the correct settings for the Pearl Mimic Pro. Does ATV provide them? Can
produce them (of course I would be willing to pay for your efforts)?
Hey! I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for. There are pad presets in the Mimic Pro for ATV cymbals and the aD-S13 snare drum in the most recent update. You will still need to dial them in to your liking - this can't be done without the pad and module in front of you as every pad will respond a little different and every person expects a different feel. The rest of the ATV drum pads can be used easily with other presets already found on the module - most kick drum presets will work with most pads and the toms would dial in easily with the dual zone side-trigger option.
hello, I tried many options, somehow I don't like it, but I see that it's good for you, I will be very grateful if you help me to make the dynamics, according to you, if it doesn't work for me, the dynamics, I'm willing to pay, help me please😢
Great video! This his a huge improvement! Love Mimic! A question please, do you know the kit you used at 00:20? This kit has a marvelous sound! Thanks Luke for this great video!
Thanks! Yeah, it's a pretty massive update eh? It's just one that I threw together to show off the PS, not sure what instruments I used because it was my "tester" preset that's already been changed for other parts of the video. I'll see if I can find them again when I'm next in the studio but can't promise anything!
Luke...Mimic Pro or TD50x...what's your favorite! Which one would you buy if you had to pick one.
The multilayer sample support with the new Mimic Instrument Editor pips it for me at the moment. But my mind changes between them whenever I use one for a few hours 😂
@@TheeDrumWorkshop The buy in costs on the TD50x with digital pads vs. using my existing pads and cymbals seems like the deal breaker to me.
That's understandable. The 50X feels great with those pads but it's definitely a chunk of money!
Hi Luke, I have ATV Snare/Tom Pad "xD-P13M" (also equipped with the 3 coins). I think the positional sensing works very well. I'm just wondering, is the "aD-S13" snare much better in terms of this technology (pos-sens / 3 coins) and whether it's definitely worth changing? After all, the price difference is quite large...
Hey! I haven't tested it myself to know for sure, but I believe that those xD pads are very similar to the aD pads (same 3 cones on the head). I think the rim piezo setup might be different (from what I've read, at least).
Since it's just using the head for the PS, my guess is that you would get very similar results with the xD pads. As I say, I can't be sure, but I'd be surprised if there was a big difference swapping between these pads on the Mimic.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, many thanks for the quick reply.
I just spoke with a technician from drum-tec and he confirmed that technically there is no difference between these two snare-pads.
So...Module makers are catching up to roland 🔥🔥🙌🏻
Hi Luke, thanks for the Mimic Pro update overview. I have a question about your hi-hat setup in the video. I'm also using a Yamaha PCY135 for my hi-hat. I'm using an eDRUMin 10 with Superior Drummer. I notice you're not using the Yamaha pin and that you seem to have the PCY135 held in a way that there is only the amount of movement you might get with an acoustic hi-hat that's closed but not with full foot down pressure. Have you ever shared the details on how you have that set - it looks like it plays better than what I'm doing now. Thanks
Hey! I'm just using a hi-hat clutch to hold the PCY-135 in place, but it has rubber washers instead of felts. This is a big part of what stops it from moving too much because the rubber fills the hole entirely rather than just sitting on top of it like felts would, so it grips down on it pretty hard. The rubber then also helps to prevent spinning since I'm not using the anti-spin rod.
I'm not sure if this is the exact one because I got mine as part of a kit I bought second hand, but it looks very much like this one -
www.musicroom.com/mapex-hi-hat-clutch-mpxhihatclutch
I would like to know details on that as well.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I was looking for a clutch with rubber, however, I just put a tama quick-set cymbal mate directly upside-down without any felt directly against the top of the hat (on all my cybmals actually) and I dig it
Can you please do a video on how to use the mimic pro live. The manual says not to use xlr cables because it will damage the unit. Most live venues use xlr snakes. Thank you.
Yes, I believe if phantom power gets turned on for those XLR channels, it could damage the module. Best practice is to use a DI box (either one for each channel you use or a DI rack with multiple DIs), that way you can use jack outputs from the module which will be converted XLR for the front of house and also eliminate that phantom power issue.
Hi, anyone have any experience of running this module with Alesis Strike Pro SE hardware? I think I have positional sensing on my Alesis snare… would this work ok? Thanks,
It would be awesome if you could do a video on a step by step of how to update the mimic pro. I'm having a terrible time
Coming soon!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop hell yeah! Fantastic
Luke, now the Hihat CC is now on the same midi channel as the hihat, does that now mean you can layer toms too you out midi out to midi in (like you tried in an earlier video)
Hey man! Someone else asked me this a while back and I haven't tested it yet. At first I didn't think so because the main issue was to do with not being able to user-assign the CC yourself to be on different in/out channels, but if changing the hat bow in/out note channels does affect the CC now, there is a chance it might work. I'll have to actually test it haha!
Great video Luke!Unfortuately,the editor is not in any link that I've tried so far.
There's a direct link in the description and a pinned comment!
I wonder what the consensus will be comparing the Mimic to the TD-50X sound wise. Has Roland caught up or do to it's sound engine it will never catch up to Mimic ?
Only you can determine that by listening to the sounds keep in mind that Roland sounds are processed and Pearl raw sounds are studio recorded from different drum kits.
@@mojodrum3215 consensus is what I am looking for.
I don't even know if we could reach a consensus, to be honest! There are seemingly as many Roland purists around as there are people who swear by only VST-level sounds. The approach to the sounds are objectively different, so anyone who prefers "real drums" recorded in a "real room" will likely prefer the Slate samples, whereas Roland's sound character has a charm that some people really warm to and it's very customisable.
This is what i call a proper module update (looking at you Roland TD50X 100$ update that shouldn't cost anything).
$200 😱 but yes, I agree!
Still having support this far on is admirable, it's absolutely not something that they need to do but here we are with a proper functionality boost.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop If i didn't have armrests in my office chair i would've fallen out. Yikes.
The ads13 is beautiful I love mine!
With my testing so far, it feels like the head response is a little more even than my Roland PDA-120L, which is awesome. Might be the size difference, will have to test more, but I like it!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop ATV ❤️🔥💪
Do you think any of the Efnote pads would work well with the mimic?
I've not tried them, but I believe they should do because they're effectively the same build as ATV pads. I'm sure I've seen someone confirm they work just as well, but I can't remember where off the top of my head.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop awesome thank you, got a Efnote 3 and love it but the module still struggles with heavy music. This mimic might be the answer
@@jonny526 Get the Mimic, sample your EFNOTE kits then load them into the Mimic with the new editor😮 (or just run them together)
Damn that is actually genius haha 😆
Yes they works except hihat.
Are you going to offer the first kit that i could hear in the video on your shop?
Yeah, the snare will be available soon with presets to go with it! The toms and cymbals on the kit in this video are from Superior Drummer 2 though, so the presets are using Slate sounds for those instead.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop cool . . . Which library if SD did you use for the Tom's??.
Oh wait, sorry. I was thinking of the editor video. All of the instruments in the first kit of this video are stock ones. I'm not sure exactly which ones because I just threw it together as a tester kit to show things off.
I don't know when I tried the mimic I didn't like it as much as the efnote. I guess the samples seemed to clean or something. I know they are really decent samples tho.
I tried PS and couldn't get it to do anything then found out that PS only works on the SD4 and 5 kits (The stock instruments from mimic) not the new SD3 kits that were added.
Yeah, the SSD3 snares don't have full head side samples, unfortunately. One thing I've noticed is that there is a slight variation when you go to the edge because the head of these samples actually contains the rimshot on the highest velocities, whereas the version of the head samples that make up the "side" articulation doesn't! I'll make sure to include all of this info if I get around to the PS setup video I'm hoping to do at some point.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop looking fwd to that vid before I mess around w PS
Meanwhile at Roland for the past decades: *crickets chirping*
Does positional sensing work on the 3 cone Yamaha snare?
I didn't get great results with it, no. Not sure why.
Wow. Can audiofront edrumin do positional sensing on 3 cone triggers yet?
It has recently been added to the eDRUMin, yes. I have not tested it myself yet though.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Sweet! My edrumin4 is in transit. I sourced a used pd-125 for PS with it but probably would have gone with a 120 had I seen this video beforehand. I’ll get one and use whichever I like less for a tom
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, my eDRUMin and PD-125 arrived today. I am just focused on testing the used PD-125 atm. May I ask for your input?
With my TM-6 Pro, I am simply swapping out the PD-125 for the PDX-8 I am using for the snare which I have triggering exactly as desired and I would like to achieve the same or better results with the PD-125. I am able to get the results I want on the rim of the PD-125 with the factory TM-6 Pro PD-125 trigger settings, however, the head seems less loud and I am having to put in too much effort with heavier sticks to both hit the head hard and quickly enough to achieve a proper amount of attack with varied settings across PD-128, PD-125X, PD-125 or even PDX-8 trigger profiles. The rim is at the sensitivity where I want it to be and increasing the sensitivity by 1 is a bit too strong for the head and also doesn't really solve my attack problem.
Specifically the used PD-125 (which is in good shape) came with a drum-tec real feel mesh head and this is my first experience with either. The PDX-8 has its stock v-drum remo head.
When playing hi-hat to snare and back the snare really has trouble distinguishing itself due to the lack of attack. There doesn't seem to be a significant hotspot on the pad. It does trigger stronger in the center but I pretty much have to hit it dead on the cone with force and speed to achieve the proper amount of attack.
Have you tried the drum-tec real feel mesh heads vs the stock v-drum remo heads on a PD-125 before and observed reduced transient sensitivity in head triggering?
Nvm the trigger cone is shot
@@3rdGen-Media I'm glad you worked out what the issue was. Just for future reference, if you do find that the head signal needs the sensitivity increasing but the rim is now giving too "hot" a signal, you can use the Rim Gain setting to bring the rim down in relation to the head. If you go down to 0.9 or further, this will effectively be 90% of the head signal and so on.
No EDM and Electronica sounds, though. 😢
do you know if there is a way to get positional sensing with a 3 cone design using the edrumin?
The feature has been added in the most recent eDRUMin software! I've not tried it myself but it seems other users have had good results. Check out the Audiofront forum, there might be more details there.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks man I wanted to check that out so I can buy a snare with that trigger setup, I was thinking on buying the ATV XD-P13, but do you know why is so cheap? is there something that I m missing because you can buy it for $159.00
To be honest, I'm not sure why it's so cheap but it seems like a bargain! It might be because they're usually supplied with the cheaper ATV pad kits but that's just a guess. I've considered picking one up myself in the past due to their price.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks if by any chance you play it, let me know please, because if I buy it, I will order it online becase those products don´t exist in my country so I won´t be able to try it out before I buy it
I won't be buying one now because I ended up buying the aD-S13 instead. Sorry!
That was fast!
Been sitting on this a little while 🤣
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for making it. It’s a great introduction to what seems to be an amazing update. Can’t wait to dive into it.
Love these types of vids…and I don’t even own a Pearl Mimic. Not sure what that says about me
I enjoy watching videos like this about products I don't own too, so hopefully it's not saying anything bad 😂
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I do wonder if the positional sensing is on par with the Roland digital snare? I stayed away from the digital snare for a couple years due to I normally play a 13 inch acoustic snare. But once I finally got the digital snare hooked up to my td27 it was a game changer. The realism it added was amazing. Much of a bigger jump than the digital hats. I never knew what I was missing.
It's not as accurate as the digital snare in terms of exact tracking - it jumps around a bit more and it seems a little more sensitive to badly tensioned heads. (Though if I watch the monitor on my 50X, it jumps around a bit more than you would think!)
However, in practice it's not noticeably worse when playing and it adds a LOT to the sound and feel of the instruments. It just adds so much more liveliness to the SSD 4 & 5 sounds in particular.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I don't disagree overall, but I will add from my experience that equal head tension does make a difference. I have a 13" DIY three-cone snare with which I have achieved equal or better PS response than my ATV. That could be due to the fact that I have a Drum-Tec Real Feel head on the DIY which is a bit firmer, whereas the ATV head flexes more where a strike is hit. You may want to try the Drum-Tec head. I haven't tried the Drum-Tec head on my ATV snare but I may when I get a minute of spare time.
Why it doesn't say anything on the website?
For some reason their support site is having issues. There are direct download links in the description of this video and in a pinned comment!
Does the positional sensing work on my 3 cone trigger?
Unfortunately not 😔 Not quite sure why, there must be a difference in the signal somewhere, I couldn't get it to be consistent at all.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop FWIW I wired my DIY three-cone snare piezos in parallel and PS did not work. I switched to parallel and it work fantastic - as good as my ATV snares.
so where are all the videos showing how awesome the superior drummer 3 samples play on this? none out there... why? because they don't sound awesome....
Has the roland patent expired then? 🤔
A couple of years ago already, I believe