This is a pretty mind blowing episode. Hearing Richard talk about musicality and his relationship to it in critiquing your version is a real privilege. More of this please - amazing
Richard was my teacher for a few months. Incredible his ability to see things and hear things. I'm no where close to a good drummer but he took his time with me to get me in the right direction and was so understanding. They say don't meet your heroes, but honestly, it only gave me more respect for Richard. Honestly, my favorite drummer for so many reasons. But yes, please more like this
Spaven at Jazz Cafe in London last yr was one of the best gigs I’ve ever been to. To cap it off, he is also one of the nicest guys you’ll ever chat to. Was a great teacher to lots of my gcse students for many years. All round good guy.
I saw him at the Jazz Cafe a few years back. He had already played every song before the encore and I wondered what was left; he stuck on some Jungle and KILLED IT. Such a good show.
Love the way he critiques the feel/vibe and gives a window into his process. I like Spaven's comment about wanting to be in flow while recording. I'm sure that goes for performing live too. I fight so much in my practice to not just go to flow that I forget it is still important and really the goal for performing.
He has an incredibly sensitive and artistic approach. It made me ask myself often I really listen and feel what's going on around me. I learned a lot. Thanks you.
Richard's feedback was awesome. It great to get his insight on how his playing fit the song. His approach reminded me very much of some of Vinnie Colaiuta's mainstream stuff where there's a lot of technique there, but the overriding goal is to make everything go down easy for the listener.
What a cool opportunity. I don’t think I’d have the courage for this one myself but I appreciate both of you being so honest with eachother. To me this is the most valuble lesson as a musician, As you can learn so much about yourself, weakness’s and determine what to focus on to grow. I would love to be critiqued by Richard or Nate myself. Heck I’d pay money for exceptional musicians and educators to be so specific as Richard was here. Very cool. Thanks for doing this one!
Aww yes that interview was epic! Looking forward to the full version. Well done Nate! Demoing your values to put yourself out there, improve and find your own style.
This video is perfect timing. I have been studying this track for probably longer than necessary recently. Although I agree it's important to add your own flavor, I just think (especially in my own experience) anything other than what Richard plays for that little end turnaround into the 32nd note rest kind of throws off the vibe every time. It's just such a specific flavor/feeling. I have found its everything in between that little gesture is where it's easiest to add your own (my own) "sound" so to speak. I hope to record a cover myself here soon. Thanks Nate for this invaluable insight!
Great stuff with Richard yes please , more content in this direction as your one of the best educators out there along with Drumeo. Stay blessed & fantastic...😊
Great show and a really nice idea about talking to the original musician too. I look forward to hearing the full interview with him. 10 out of 10 for 80/20.
richard played drumfest in my country. super cool dude, at the end he was nerding out about quintuplets and triplets with everyone in the audience(quintuplets are amazing). the playing was sooo cool, got signed drum head and thanks to hearing the cymbals in person I finally started switching to meinl. such a cool day.
Nate, this is great. I respect both your versions, they are as good as each other, in my book. So basically we have two Academics discussing Art. Invaliable ! Thanks, more please...
More of this! More of this! I loved your Nate Wood interview you did like 8 years ago. Adding the critique segment of the video seems like a stroke of genius. So, again... More of this! ^^
Hearing him talk about fitting into the groove was very eye opening. I immediately started thinking of examples from other favorite drummers doing that and sounding amazing in the context of that music and really "lifting it from underneath" in a way. Great episode! Bit of a Rick Beato just let them talk about it approach that seems to work well.
I appreciate what you do man. You’re a better player and educator than I am but you share on a level that is attainable for me (with plenty of time and practice); I can be challenged to actually grow and that inspires me to continue to journey. I learned a lot about my own playing (the good, bad and the uuugly) from you putting yourself out there - I love his praise of your own playing and I love his critique). He (and you) was/were able to articulate much of what I understand internally or subconsciously as a pocket, melody-focused musical drummer but you both take it to a higher under/overstanding and more mature level of artistic execution than what I’ve been able see. It was beautiful and refreshing. Keep up the good work my brother;)🙏👍
Very cool format. Im not sure how many you can do like this but its a cool concept. I just got done watching a certain famous classic rock drummer do a very long drum solo and I want sure it wasnt working for me. This type of drumming is way more interesting to me. Its cool how you brought up loop mentality and how it creates a vibe. The displacement, sonic asthetics and musicality just does more for me than pase drum licks. Great stuff.
Congratulations Nate to have the courage to confront your version with the creator himself. It’s very interesting to understand what Richard really puts behind his drumming and what are his priorities. Yes, more of these for sure.
wow, once I saw how rough your first takes sounded (although technically correct), I got a whole other level of appreciation for how refined Richard Spavens playing actually is. It's so tasty!
13:10 reminds me of Vinnie’s approach on Seven Days. The backbeat is strong....my wife doesn’t hear the brilliance on hi hats, Lol ...but she can relate to the rhythm due the backbeat, even though it’s just rim in the verses.
Real cool video, really brave too. Could tell that you had skin in the game, and it wasn’t just mates backslapping. I know people who have been taught by Richard and he doesn’t suffer fools. Appreciate you taking a risk and putting it out there.
Messes with my ear, which I guess is the point. lol Years ago people would give you side eye if you messed with the time with offsets like this in such a ballad type tune. So I guess it's refreshing that drumming like this is more accepted. Though I think if you did do such offsets on a gig with people on the dancefloor, they'd be tripping and falling over! Kudos Nate for not only tackling this, but having the guts to interview the actual author and take the criticism head on. And his take about NOT wanting people to think how clever the bit was, but more about the MUSIC, so unselfish...👍😗
If you look at Richard’s left hand and 80/20’s Drummer you can see a technique difference that transfers to sound. You can see Richard adding his arm to produce more of a solid dead shot rim shot like and R&B player. Where with the 80/20 you can see him relying more on finger control technique and jazz hands.
Awesome, thank you. More of this please, why not ask Marc Guiliana how you played his stuff ? Your channel could become a kind of Rick Beato equivalent, drums only, keep going !
I played nova at my lunchtime recital!!! When I proposed the idea to my teacher and man was like “Nuh uh no way.” The 2 months put into this song was… brutal for a 15 year old me.
It was a content style I was experimenting with at the time, where I'd play "crash test dummy" and put myself in the hot seat by trying to cover famous musicians' songs, then getting their critique. Richard and I talked about it beforehand and he thought it was a great idea. You can take from that what you will. I'm not morally equivocal about it. If I'm up at night it's over other things.
Yeah I can agree in a sense when people make it feel so deliberate and forced, however the people that are really good at it most of the time make it feel good and feel like it’s not what your trying to do at any given time just because you know the drummers out there are gonna be like woah… I get that too but I think it’s something people freak out about cus they don’t quite understand what’s happening. It’s also a bit of magicianship musician wise almost like slight of hand, pulling the rug out from under one or the table cloth off the table while everything still being in place on the table. Once you understand what your doing and can play it unforced at any given time as needed it’ll be more like spaven was saying, it’s just part of the backbeat groove is all but with a little flav of something different and spicy yet not having it be deliberate at all. I’m the best run on sentence drummer out there but I think you may understand where I was going there 🤓
*Its hard to put my finger on, but I quite dislike the way you drum. I think the closest word to it is DYNAMICS, like everything you play stays on this narrow sonic range. Also, I think your drums sound downright bad, unless you’re going to a tone-free frail tap sound, then you actually nuked it from orbit. As for “not playing the cover exactly as the original”, I agree with that to an extent. But when the song (Nova) is built on this simple staggered motif that is imitating a looping sample, I feel like you HAVE TO nail that and the give that the solid finesse and simplicity it requires, which I think you failed to do. Spaven is leaving the flowery stuff to the other sections and even in those he’s playing as if he’s trying to stray but he gets dragged right back in with enough fluidity that it works beautiful, but the main section is just a solid structure with no frills beyond the beat itself. Ironically, I think you played the second section better than the first, the harder more dense and shifting section better than the straight forward easier section, and again, I think you’re drum kit sound just doesn’t do it justice regardless of what you play.*
Ok yeah I just finished the video and Spaven seemed to have similar criticisms. You’re over playing the main bit that is a fairly simple loop with a cool little gap at the beginning, but you did best at the middle section where it’s a bunch of “floaty” rhythmic wilderness. Your channel is verging on inspirational because if you can get paid doing this, that makes me feel a lot more confident that I could do the same.
This is a pretty mind blowing episode. Hearing Richard talk about musicality and his relationship to it in critiquing your version is a real privilege. More of this please - amazing
Richard was my teacher for a few months. Incredible his ability to see things and hear things. I'm no where close to a good drummer but he took his time with me to get me in the right direction and was so understanding. They say don't meet your heroes, but honestly, it only gave me more respect for Richard. Honestly, my favorite drummer for so many reasons. But yes, please more like this
Spaven at Jazz Cafe in London last yr was one of the best gigs I’ve ever been to. To cap it off, he is also one of the nicest guys you’ll ever chat to. Was a great teacher to lots of my gcse students for many years. All round good guy.
I saw him at the Jazz Cafe a few years back. He had already played every song before the encore and I wondered what was left; he stuck on some Jungle and KILLED IT. Such a good show.
LOVE THIS DUDE!!!
Love the way he critiques the feel/vibe and gives a window into his process. I like Spaven's comment about wanting to be in flow while recording. I'm sure that goes for performing live too. I fight so much in my practice to not just go to flow that I forget it is still important and really the goal for performing.
He has an incredibly sensitive and artistic approach. It made me ask myself often I really listen and feel what's going on around me. I learned a lot. Thanks you.
Wow!! He gave you an incredibly intelligent and thoughtful critique. You’ve definitely earned this opportunity. You’re an asset to all drummers.
Richard's feedback was awesome. It great to get his insight on how his playing fit the song. His approach reminded me very much of some of Vinnie Colaiuta's mainstream stuff where there's a lot of technique there, but the overriding goal is to make everything go down easy for the listener.
What a cool opportunity. I don’t think I’d have the courage for this one myself but I appreciate both of you being so honest with eachother. To me this is the most valuble lesson as a musician, As you can learn so much about yourself, weakness’s and determine what to focus on to grow. I would love to be critiqued by Richard or Nate myself. Heck I’d pay money for exceptional musicians and educators to be so specific as Richard was here. Very cool. Thanks for doing this one!
Aww yes that interview was epic! Looking forward to the full version. Well done Nate! Demoing your values to put yourself out there, improve and find your own style.
This video is perfect timing. I have been studying this track for probably longer than necessary recently. Although I agree it's important to add your own flavor, I just think (especially in my own experience) anything other than what Richard plays for that little end turnaround into the 32nd note rest kind of throws off the vibe every time. It's just such a specific flavor/feeling. I have found its everything in between that little gesture is where it's easiest to add your own (my own) "sound" so to speak. I hope to record a cover myself here soon. Thanks Nate for this invaluable insight!
Great stuff with Richard yes please , more content in this direction as your one of the best educators out there along with Drumeo.
Stay blessed & fantastic...😊
Fantastic episode. Richard Spaven is changing the musical landscape. Good job on your interpretation of Nova.
Great show and a really nice idea about talking to the original musician too. I look forward to hearing the full interview with him. 10 out of 10 for 80/20.
That’s exactly why I enjoy Nate’s content so much. I mean,who else would do stuff like this..?
Dude, you have balls of steel.
How did you not shit your pants sending him a cover of his song?
I shall never know.
Good stuff 👍👍👍
I respect Richard for being honest, honest advice is the best advice💯
richard played drumfest in my country. super cool dude, at the end he was nerding out about quintuplets and triplets with everyone in the audience(quintuplets are amazing). the playing was sooo cool, got signed drum head and thanks to hearing the cymbals in person I finally started switching to meinl. such a cool day.
15:55 I laugh the same way 😅 through my nostrils!
Sadly, I can't come up with something smart. Love your drumming. You're a big inspiration!
Nate, this is great. I respect both your versions, they are as good as each other, in my book. So basically we have two Academics discussing Art. Invaliable ! Thanks, more please...
What a kind person!
The best thing about Richard's critique was that I could apply it to my own playing - and I have never heard that track before.
More of this! More of this! I loved your Nate Wood interview you did like 8 years ago. Adding the critique segment of the video seems like a stroke of genius. So, again...
More of this! ^^
Amen to Richard's approach. I have a feeling people think and focus waay too much on notes than music itself in general.
Hearing him talk about fitting into the groove was very eye opening. I immediately started thinking of examples from other favorite drummers doing that and sounding amazing in the context of that music and really "lifting it from underneath" in a way. Great episode! Bit of a Rick Beato just let them talk about it approach that seems to work well.
I appreciate what you do man. You’re a better player and educator than I am but you share on a level that is attainable for me (with plenty of time and practice); I can be challenged to actually grow and that inspires me to continue to journey. I learned a lot about my own playing (the good, bad and the uuugly) from you putting yourself out there - I love his praise of your own playing and I love his critique). He (and you) was/were able to articulate much of what I understand internally or subconsciously as a pocket, melody-focused musical drummer but you both take it to a higher under/overstanding and more mature level of artistic execution than what I’ve been able see. It was beautiful and refreshing. Keep up the good work my brother;)🙏👍
Very cool format. Im not sure how many you can do like this but its a cool concept. I just got done watching a certain famous classic rock drummer do a very long drum solo and I want sure it wasnt working for me. This type of drumming is way more interesting to me. Its cool how you brought up loop mentality and how it creates a vibe. The displacement, sonic asthetics and musicality just does more for me than pase drum licks. Great stuff.
Amazing video, brilliant effort from you on the piece and great thoughtful, articulated feedback from Richard.
HAHAHA THE TRANSITION FROM NOVA TO THE INTRO SONG AAAAA
Congratulations Nate to have the courage to confront your version with the creator himself. It’s very interesting to understand what Richard really puts behind his drumming and what are his priorities. Yes, more of these for sure.
Amazing episode!
Such a treat to be able to hear this conversation.
Thank you!
Really love this format, talk with other drummers more 😃
Loved this, so cool you were able to connect with Richard Spaven!!!! Congrats on 100k too!
Great episode. More of these
Amazing video, I’m on richard spaven patreon and I’m loving it
Great lesson as always! :D
It requires guts to approach a hero of oneself and to ask for a reaction/feedback. Awesome video. Awesome project.
wow, once I saw how rough your first takes sounded (although technically correct), I got a whole other level of appreciation for how refined Richard Spavens playing actually is. It's so tasty!
Definitely more of this!!! Marcus next?
Great lesson ❤ !
Sick episode guys! Nate this was phatt - keep up the fantastic work! Thank you 🙏
13:10 reminds me of Vinnie’s approach on Seven Days. The backbeat is strong....my wife doesn’t hear the brilliance on hi hats, Lol ...but she can relate to the rhythm due the backbeat, even though it’s just rim in the verses.
Real cool video, really brave too. Could tell that you had skin in the game, and it wasn’t just mates backslapping. I know people who have been taught by Richard and he doesn’t suffer fools. Appreciate you taking a risk and putting it out there.
Great experience.
Congrats!!!
Messes with my ear, which I guess is the point. lol Years ago people would give you side eye if you messed with the time with offsets like this in such a ballad type tune. So I guess it's refreshing that drumming like this is more accepted. Though I think if you did do such offsets on a gig with people on the dancefloor, they'd be tripping and falling over! Kudos Nate for not only tackling this, but having the guts to interview the actual author and take the criticism head on. And his take about NOT wanting people to think how clever the bit was, but more about the MUSIC, so unselfish...👍😗
If you look at Richard’s left hand and 80/20’s Drummer you can see a technique difference that transfers to sound.
You can see Richard adding his arm to produce more of a solid dead shot rim shot like and R&B player.
Where with the 80/20 you can see him relying more on finger control technique and jazz hands.
The way I'd describe Richard Spaven is that he plays like he's a looped sample being mixed by a producer, it's so unique sounding
That's exactly it.
Awesome, thank you. More of this please, why not ask Marc Guiliana how you played his stuff ? Your channel could become a kind of Rick Beato equivalent, drums only, keep going !
More like this!!
great idea
Great lesson Nate!
This perfectly demonstrates the difference between a very, very good drummer, and Richard Spaven
AMAZING
I would like a explanation of the groove on Flawless (Robert Mitchell Panacea)
I'd love to see anyone cover Whole Other
✨✨✨Sounds excellent nate🫡
Dude, love this type of episode. Bring back Nate Wood!
Absolutely, first generation kneebody dork here. Nate wood would prob agree 😉
I played nova at my lunchtime recital!!! When I proposed the idea to my teacher and man was like “Nuh uh no way.” The 2 months put into this song was… brutal for a 15 year old me.
Love his thoughts here 🔥. Cool groove too
its def not a negative review....its just different...and different is equally as valid
"playing this thing that I don't actually understand". I know that feeling :P
You were ahead on the snare dude, the song has more of a swing to it....
Beautiful video !! A lot of info in it💯💯💯🤌🎬🎬 Your drum mix sounds crispy as a bitch too 🔥💯🤌
how are you my idol can I have a request to you ?
can we have a conversation because I wanted to have friend on other country by the I am Filipino
WERE YOU DRAGGING OR WERE YOU RUSHING
hope you notice me
Brufordy...
It seems like an ego-driven decision to have the opportunity to pick a musician’s brain and then just having him listen to you drum.
It was a content style I was experimenting with at the time, where I'd play "crash test dummy" and put myself in the hot seat by trying to cover famous musicians' songs, then getting their critique. Richard and I talked about it beforehand and he thought it was a great idea. You can take from that what you will. I'm not morally equivocal about it. If I'm up at night it's over other things.
I dont know why but I just am not a fan of the delay, I think it sounds like crap.
Agree. It's skillful but I don't think it sounds good. To each his own.
Your ears need checked then
It's not for everyone, it grew on me
Yeah I can agree in a sense when people make it feel so deliberate and forced, however the people that are really good at it most of the time make it feel good and feel like it’s not what your trying to do at any given time just because you know the drummers out there are gonna be like woah… I get that too but I think it’s something people freak out about cus they don’t quite understand what’s happening. It’s also a bit of magicianship musician wise almost like slight of hand, pulling the rug out from under one or the table cloth off the table while everything still being in place on the table. Once you understand what your doing and can play it unforced at any given time as needed it’ll be more like spaven was saying, it’s just part of the backbeat groove is all but with a little flav of something different and spicy yet not having it be deliberate at all. I’m the best run on sentence drummer out there but I think you may understand where I was going there 🤓
I don’t like either’s playing
*Its hard to put my finger on, but I quite dislike the way you drum. I think the closest word to it is DYNAMICS, like everything you play stays on this narrow sonic range. Also, I think your drums sound downright bad, unless you’re going to a tone-free frail tap sound, then you actually nuked it from orbit. As for “not playing the cover exactly as the original”, I agree with that to an extent. But when the song (Nova) is built on this simple staggered motif that is imitating a looping sample, I feel like you HAVE TO nail that and the give that the solid finesse and simplicity it requires, which I think you failed to do. Spaven is leaving the flowery stuff to the other sections and even in those he’s playing as if he’s trying to stray but he gets dragged right back in with enough fluidity that it works beautiful, but the main section is just a solid structure with no frills beyond the beat itself. Ironically, I think you played the second section better than the first, the harder more dense and shifting section better than the straight forward easier section, and again, I think you’re drum kit sound just doesn’t do it justice regardless of what you play.*
Ok yeah I just finished the video and Spaven seemed to have similar criticisms. You’re over playing the main bit that is a fairly simple loop with a cool little gap at the beginning, but you did best at the middle section where it’s a bunch of “floaty” rhythmic wilderness. Your channel is verging on inspirational because if you can get paid doing this, that makes me feel a lot more confident that I could do the same.
@@mellowtron214 Dunning-Kruger in full effect 😅
Bozo really thinks people wanted to hear all that
Gracias
He needs to be Jordan's permanent drummer
🎉🎉🎉
Great