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To have a sensei open his shirt like that and explain a principle to you...you can see that they really want to pass on the knowledge to you. A great teacher.
The teachers blocking direction and snap timing are legit. The heaviness of his fist comes from years of conditioning. With out striking or blocking an object for years a persons karate skill level in terms of defence will just be a kata for show.
Yes you are right I agree, nowadays people see a guy doing a kata quickly and powerfully and think that its very strong, but on reality the important point is the Timing of relaxation and contraction. If you contract too early, you Will Lost power, if you dont contract the strike is ineffective. But I think that you dont need to contract too much, because the contraction is natural but the relaxation no, so its more important to focus on relax. For me the hip movement is more important than the arms So, yeah its something that requiress a lot of training
This series of videos (shogen ryu) are my most favorite of any karate videos I have ever watched. I truly feel like these guys have a much higher understanding that most
VERY much enjoying your exploration of Okinawan Karate! I find this channel an extremely refreshing look at the Martial Arts in general with the key principle of learning alternative styles. Please keep it up.
At this level of martial arts there is a blurring of the boundaries between styles. It was explained to me that you begin your journey and have no form. You then learn form but it is not natural: it is tense and rigid. Then as you slowly understand what the form actually means/represents, the form itself becomes less and less important. Eventually you don’t need the form and become formless. The explanation of the eight point Möbius eventually becoming a single point was beautiful to me. The tendency in many martial arts to be tense when punching, and this video reminded me of the time my Sensei was laughing at us students, and asked me what there was between the target and my fist. I looked quizzically at him and said “Nothing.” He asked me why I was so tense then. It’s wasted energy and he told us to relax right up to point of impact. I think that’s one of the points these two amazing old men were getting at.
This is what is considered "short range power," in a lot of ancestor systems. Definitely a common core teaching. Seems like lots of the older cats in Okinawa had some of that stuff passed down. Unfortunately, you don't see it a ton in a lot of the more sport-based / long-range karate stuff you see nowadays. Even in systems that would benefit most from using this kind of power generation.
This example of Naihanchi Shodan is the closest to what I do. Very loose and relaxed in the arms, drawing most power from the core. Relaxation is especially important for uraken. I also noticed he stomped (Naihanchi ashi fumi) with every step and turn like I do. Very close to nami-gaeshi. Well done!
That's the point of the relaxation as well btw, allowing the power you generated by whatever method to flow more freely with less resistance, putting much less if a strain on you and using up alot less energy
Congratulations! It seems light you were starting to get it. They were liking what they saw. Do you think you will try to keep the relaxation and figure 8 ideas in your karate as you move forward? Or is it just something interesting from another style that doesn't really belong in Shotokan? Those two sensei were cracking me up. They have obviously been working on these techniques for SOOO long. And then they are trying to get you to understand this esoteric technique in an hour (?). You definitely did better than I would have.
I liked seeing you connecting all the dots in this on. I could see you lighting up once you were getting it. Their technique is like flowing water. I’m a fan
Oddly enough, short range power generation is specifically one of the things Sanchin teaches, by way of extension in its purpose in San Zhan, Saam Chien, & other ancestor versions of the form. Thus the pigeon toed stances & no dependency on slingshotting the body around as a power generation method. Not quite sure I see a similar foundational training modality within Naihanchi, but it's interesting to see others trying to find that stuff within their systems.
As a lay person this style seems a lot more fluid. It doesn't seem to individualise the muscles or limbs but comes from the core. Kind of like fighting water
I saw Bruce Lee do the “One Inch Punch” in 1967 at Madison Square Garden, NYC. Mr. Ohshima used to demonstrate a punch that was started already against the opponent’s chest. If done well, the opponent can really feel the penetration of the fist and will be abruptly pushed back. I also used to do this demonstration. Years later, Mr. Ohshima would demonstrate with both fists on the opponent’s chest. If you carefully watch Bruce Lee’s one inch punch, he extends his fingers and hits as the fingers curl into a fist, so it’s really a 3-4 inch punch. He also pulls the attacking side shoulder back and accelerates his hip and shoulder forward.
I have to agree with this Sensei in that I feel competition kata demonstrates no power. Yes, it's precise. Yes, it's usually pretty sharp and crisp. But there is a trend to just go fast and little value placed on body movements to create power. No one really needs a lot of power, but some power is needed.
@@sassuki That is a bold statement, Mens/Womens kata the last couple of years has been dominated by spanish/Japanese. From my knowledge spain is in Europe.
You are doing an excellent job of applying what they are teaching. Take it in, perhaps it will not connect fully for you right away but keep it in the back of your mind and keep trying to feel what they mean. It will serve you very well in time!
Yes!!! A whip! Finally they expose the power being generated from the gyroscopic movements of the hips, generating torque through the midsection, to offset the shoulder and project the fist to the final point of contact, effortlessly. “Conservation of energy” and striking with precision. Those that are beginning and intermediate will never understand this fight language until they actually strike and get struck. Stance, position and timing are the key concepts, then people can begin to understand the torquing dynamics to generate force through an organic structure.
Yes this reminds me of Chen Style Fajing. They say at the highest levels, Okinawan Karate Masters should look like Tai Chi Chuan in their forms. I see the similarities to this and other wushu releasing internal power/Jing in it's strikes.
that amount of knowledge that is packed intos this 8.5 minutes video is so intense. After watching it for the first time i was just like: woah. this make so much sense, And now everything my sensei told me back then makes even much more sense if you take this hip movement into consideration. You can consider yourself really lucky to have such great teachers Yusuke Sensei and i really envy you (in a positive way of course ;) ) of having the opportunity to make such a great experience.
I like a lot that's in this video! Tekki Shodan is my favorite kata. The way he blocks, rather than pivoting at the elbow, it has a forward punch component. I developed that on my own sensing it was more effective that way. As for the one-inch punch, I learned that through Joe Lewis, who learned it from Bruce Lee. As for you, you are getting better at their relaxation/tension principle. Just need to tighten the fist before contact. No need to tighten the whole body. The snap at the end only indicates the technique is over, it has nothing to do with power.
Yes!!! A whip! Finally they expose the power being generated from the gyroscopic movements of the hips, generating torque through the midsection, to offset the shoulder and project the fist to the final point of contact, effortlessly. “Conservation of energy” and striking with precision. Those that are beginning and intermediate will never understand this fight language until they actually strike and get struck. Stance, position and timing!
I wonder if the founder of this style may have learned some Tai Chi. We do the Figure eight Tanden rotation also. If you learn a little bit from each of the schools you visit, you will become very good.
i have reflexive tics where my body copies movements i see at the same eact time as i see them and my hips moved so much (as much as they can while seated) watching this
Indeed, I see some Wing Chun movements and concepts in this video - Tan Sao. I am sure Tai Chi is also present greatly, but I just don't have experience in Tai Chi yet.
As a martial arts nerd i found this so interesting i know karate came from shaolin incense shop boxing which used the hips more than modern karate but used wider sweeping movements but this seems to be more influenced by Tai chi was this a native evolution or was there a northern Tai Chi influence on ancient Okinawa
the figure 8 things makes a lot sense. It's kind what boxers do to generate power in small spaces since that way your rotating your hips in multiple direction. Would be cool to see how this works with something like those two last balances exercises you have on you balance video as it would allow more weight on the balance leg like since you could till the hip and then tilt it to the leg your transitioning too instead of straight hips. I think it would be more powerful and fluid
No sensei has ever teached me a specific technic for a 1 inch or 6 inch punch. Though I have been practicing martial arts for many years, I understand the mechanics and usefulness. I have used it training, but just for show to my training partners. If you understand the biomechanics and alignment necessary it is not difficult.
I respect what they are teaching here. I would say this comes from Matsubayashi Ryu, but I don't want to get into politics 😊 On a side note, we can see *for sure* they were educated in the Nagamine lineage because they slap their own body in arm techniques while pulling back to hiki-te; no disrespect intended 😊
There are many variations of the"one inch punch" or "inch power in general". Aside from the interesting things your showing here, Bruce lee's one inch punch was also different from the actual wing Chun and tai chi one inch punch, which has more to do with properly transferring the force into the target in the most efficient way possible than it is about generating great power, tho yes each variation can do all
@@stanclark3992 yes, and Bruce's one inch punch really didn't have much to do with the internal power, as the other variations do. at the most it did use the power of "relaxation" to more effectively use his external movement in a way that flows like water, as he would say. Tho that is not the proper interpretation of that saying and Bruce did not actually do or understand the actual training of the internal power and using it, tho he was working on it but he was actually pretty turned off to the actual training he would need to do in order to build and use the internal power can explain why I say that in more detail of you like but I think that's sufficient lol. And that being said it was very exceptional that Bruce Lee was able to use raw external force in the way he did with that much power and accuracy.
@@stanclark3992 Bruce was using the concept of motion in stillness , tho he still didn't really do the training for that either. if you understand that, if not essentially he mastered using each of his joints in a line kinda like a wave or "water" and the force was traveling from his foot to his fist without very much external movement. Which is really very beginner level training for using the internal power and kind of a pre condition for using it, tho it doesn't actually develop or build it. But it can still add alot of speed and power to your movements without actually having trained any of the internal stuff, like in systema or akido. It is a beginning stage and uses the same principles but is not yet actually internal power
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 Hi Rusty. I'm not sure myself how much internal energy Bruce Lee developed. Having said that, I do like your characterization of his 'external' strength. I train traditional karate, a derivative of Shotokan. Traditional karate develops body, mind, spirt, and so I have internal strength. It is, however, only on a rudimentary scale. Even so, it is remarkable how it strengthens me, given I am quite average physically, at best. 🙂CHEERS.
@@stanclark3992 very good to hear that actually, I did a small bit of shotokan, but it was actually taught in my tae Kwon do class which I did for around 10 years it was just sections of karate incorporated into tkd not the art as a whole. . And I did akido for 2 years but didn't really understand it much during that time. But now for the last 10 years I have been training qi gong, tai chi and wing Chun and I've been very lucky to receive the training I have
Picture a coin spinning and as it slows down in begins to fall and make that figure 8 pattern. Now engage your psoas muscles in your legs ( inner thigh) in and up and down manner to get your waist to make the same figure 8. This generates a good deal of power and it becomes a smaller and smaller movement while delivering more and more of your weight plus rotation plus gravity… Did they ever explain why they seem to strike themselves before their “block” or strike? Thank you for sharing.
Taika oyata is someone you should study . My sensei is one of his last students . If you punch at a Fibonacci it creates a spiral which even less than an inch away will force your opponent to go flying ( because it’s not really a punch ) . To really get to that point nahanchi must be done 10k times. You’re snapping isn’t what generates it . In Okinawan karate there isn’t kicking or punching . You must remove that from the mind. Relax the body and let it move without you moving it. Come to Florida sometime I got ya 🤙
@@BLenz-114 throw your arm out straight then let it drop so it turns over . At this point your fist should move towards the other side of your face and you focus on pulling back not pushing . They don’t push in the style at all they pull since everything was based on fishing .
Interesting for me is the Uchi-Uke he is doing moves forward to the partner, while we try to take the Block early and pull the partner in his direction. Would be interesting for me to feel the difference. 🤔👌
That mobius strip movement is giving me Kengan Ashura vibes. Though the character did it with his shoulders instead of his hips. Edit: Ok, now it’s giving more Kengan vibes with the letting your body limp like jelly. Is this Formless Karate?
When I wear gi I cant never get my punches to snap but when I kick I can always get my kicks to snap out that power but my punches do have power but I cant never get the gi to snap can you help me what I do wrong? By making a video on it? Thanks for your time.
This is among my most difficult to conforms its from this curricular philosphy although I'm not against this Shogen Ryu Karate but only thing I decline to participated this because I made lacking sufficient understanding that how to cope from this strange fundamentals here, I am no against this but this is another part from my new fundental studies, On my own qualified Philosophy I used already with similar results from here as to draw with strikes towards wall bag via loosely flexed my own inclosed fist without huge changing its structural position but I keeping my position well-aligned accompanied from my biomechanics and my reinforced structural qualifications as yet when they hit at the exact locations and yet rigidity of the aligned trajectory were to contracting my fist at the period of collision course and that is my own economy of motions that I've isolated to learn from my Eskrima stick strikes
Fun Fact; since the 1960’s Okinawa Karate master’s have gone to Taiwan to learn from the Older Generation there. Because Taiwan had a huge immigration from Fujian for almost 400 years. That’s a long time. Perhaps historically longer than Okinawans trips to the Mainland. Once back in Okinawa what they learned in Taiwan becomes “ our old Okinawa secrets from our Ancestors “. Yeah. Untrue and disingenuous. BUT! They had a captive classroom of young eager paying American GI’s signing up in their dojos! Buying karate gi and testing fees. Never to understand Kata bunkai and how the old “ hide and seek “ system fit together! I’ve seen it all. I’m pushing 70 speak fluent Chinese and have lived on Taiwan and sometimes Okinawa most of my life. Follow the money. Sorry but it’s completely true
In your video: "Top 10 mistakes in karate you overlook.", one of the mistakes is hitting yourself to make the punch sound more impressive. But your sensei here does it every time. Now explain to me please who is wrong on this issue? Thanks.
I don't like it this style. The instructors slap their body in almost every move creating the illusion of power. I understand to relax but this seems like a sales gimmick to me with the slaps of the body. Like they are trying to convince you and themselves this is a better way, when in fact it is just compensations of power due to age. Just my opinion.
Unfortunately internal body mechanics aren't the easiest to comprehend or "see" in non-physical formats like TH-cam, but if you know what you're looking for (full body connect/root, movement from the tanden/dantien, etc.) then it's easy to see these two sensei's have a ton of skill that unfortunately needs to be felt in person to understand or believe.
@@Newtypenewtype This concept is only expressed with some of the older masters in Okinawa in many styles of Karate. I practice Goju my teacher learned in Okinawa, so this concept is prevalent and taught in what we do. Achieving this creates more power and speed with less effort once mastered, a lot harder than it looks, can take several years to put it all together with proper timing, but well worth the effort. Like you said it has to be experienced to be understood.
@@JardoniJovonovich what. Its not a deadly blow. I respect these masters like i Respekt oll TMA. But in a real fight or mma its bullshit. Its more a philosophie and history than effective real fighting...
Well . . . . I agree that body slaps are sometimes used to "fake" having power or snap, but I felt like with these guys, they weren't trying to fool anyone with the noise, it was just a side effect of their relaxed style. They never told him to make the noise or slap himself. I'd say it can indicate BS but is not necessarily an indication of BS. As to whether the relaxed style is "better" . . . yeah, I think that's TBD. But I give these guys some serious respect, seeing how long they've been at it.
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To have a sensei open his shirt like that and explain a principle to you...you can see that they really want to pass on the knowledge to you. A great teacher.
The thing I like about traditional martial arts is how it can keep you very strong and active at much advance age
Exactly, I would say more everlasting..
The teachers blocking direction and snap timing are legit.
The heaviness of his fist comes from years of conditioning.
With out striking or blocking an object for years a persons karate skill level in terms of defence will just be a kata for show.
Yes you are right
I agree, nowadays people see a guy doing a kata quickly and powerfully and think that its very strong, but on reality the important point is the Timing of relaxation and contraction. If you contract too early, you Will Lost power, if you dont contract the strike is ineffective. But I think that you dont need to contract too much, because the contraction is natural but the relaxation no, so its more important to focus on relax. For me the hip movement is more important than the arms
So, yeah its something that requiress a lot of training
Pretty similar concepts to wing Chun, loving this style
I agree. Especially the center block / redirect is basically Tong Sao, and it uses the same soft redirection of the force principle.
Fantastic. Real teachers teaching core concepts openly. This is the kind of basic training we need.
This series of videos (shogen ryu) are my most favorite of any karate videos I have ever watched. I truly feel like these guys have a much higher understanding that most
As a style their style has a lot less "telegraphing"/"folding" to their blocks. But as a teaching method it is a lot harder.
Excellent video again. Beautiful movements. I'm a really loving this Shogen Ryu serie.
I'm only learn a basic karate,but still can see a huge difference in every move in Okinawa karate,that just an another level of karate
I like that he understands the "at the moment of contact" aspects as well as he was almost getting into the multidirectional force applications
Love that soft contact followed by sticking on the uchi uke, very like tai chi
VERY much enjoying your exploration of Okinawan Karate! I find this channel an extremely refreshing look at the Martial Arts in general with the key principle of learning alternative styles. Please keep it up.
At this level of martial arts there is a blurring of the boundaries between styles. It was explained to me that you begin your journey and have no form. You then learn form but it is not natural: it is tense and rigid. Then as you slowly understand what the form actually means/represents, the form itself becomes less and less important. Eventually you don’t need the form and become formless. The explanation of the eight point Möbius eventually becoming a single point was beautiful to me. The tendency in many martial arts to be tense when punching, and this video reminded me of the time my Sensei was laughing at us students, and asked me what there was between the target and my fist. I looked quizzically at him and said “Nothing.” He asked me why I was so tense then. It’s wasted energy and he told us to relax right up to point of impact. I think that’s one of the points these two amazing old men were getting at.
Another great video, this is great information and seeing the elderly teachers advising you is great to see.
That Karate-gi has been through a lot of training! Just Amazing!!
This is what is considered "short range power," in a lot of ancestor systems. Definitely a common core teaching. Seems like lots of the older cats in Okinawa had some of that stuff passed down. Unfortunately, you don't see it a ton in a lot of the more sport-based / long-range karate stuff you see nowadays. Even in systems that would benefit most from using this kind of power generation.
Very different of modern karate in kata, you can see the contraction and the use of the hip always very nice
This example of Naihanchi Shodan is the closest to what I do. Very loose and relaxed in the arms, drawing most power from the core. Relaxation is especially important for uraken. I also noticed he stomped (Naihanchi ashi fumi) with every step and turn like I do. Very close to nami-gaeshi. Well done!
Reminds me on the Karate way of Systema!
That's the point of the relaxation as well btw, allowing the power you generated by whatever method to flow more freely with less resistance, putting much less if a strain on you and using up alot less energy
He is right. Aikido is similar, but few in my art know it.
Congratulations! It seems light you were starting to get it. They were liking what they saw.
Do you think you will try to keep the relaxation and figure 8 ideas in your karate as you move forward? Or is it just something interesting from another style that doesn't really belong in Shotokan?
Those two sensei were cracking me up. They have obviously been working on these techniques for SOOO long. And then they are trying to get you to understand this esoteric technique in an hour (?). You definitely did better than I would have.
I liked seeing you connecting all the dots in this on. I could see you lighting up once you were getting it. Their technique is like flowing water. I’m a fan
Oddly enough, short range power generation is specifically one of the things Sanchin teaches, by way of extension in its purpose in San Zhan, Saam Chien, & other ancestor versions of the form. Thus the pigeon toed stances & no dependency on slingshotting the body around as a power generation method. Not quite sure I see a similar foundational training modality within Naihanchi, but it's interesting to see others trying to find that stuff within their systems.
This episode seemed less stressful. You were beginning to relax.
Slapping the gi unnoticebly for adding the cool sound effect I once used to be after, that is mainly what I got from this lesson.
As a lay person this style seems a lot more fluid. It doesn't seem to individualise the muscles or limbs but comes from the core. Kind of like fighting water
Sensei's hip twist was really fast🔥🔥
That part at the end, with the side block...reminded me of the Steven Segal video with Jesse Enkamp.
I saw Bruce Lee do the “One Inch Punch” in 1967 at Madison Square Garden, NYC. Mr. Ohshima used to demonstrate a punch that was started already against the opponent’s chest. If done well, the opponent can really feel the penetration of the fist and will be abruptly pushed back. I also used to do this demonstration. Years later, Mr. Ohshima would demonstrate with both fists on the opponent’s chest. If you carefully watch Bruce Lee’s one inch punch, he extends his fingers and hits as the fingers curl into a fist, so it’s really a 3-4 inch punch. He also pulls the attacking side shoulder back and accelerates his hip and shoulder forward.
I have to agree with this Sensei in that I feel competition kata demonstrates no power. Yes, it's precise. Yes, it's usually pretty sharp and crisp. But there is a trend to just go fast and little value placed on body movements to create power. No one really needs a lot of power, but some power is needed.
In WKF Kata yes, especially European athletes tend to make rubbish kata. But Japanese athletes usually perform pretty well.
@@sassuki That is a bold statement, Mens/Womens kata the last couple of years has been dominated by spanish/Japanese.
From my knowledge spain is in Europe.
@@ninocvjetkovic that is why it says "tend do", because the majority f*cks up really bad.
You are doing an excellent job of applying what they are teaching. Take it in, perhaps it will not connect fully for you right away but keep it in the back of your mind and keep trying to feel what they mean. It will serve you very well in time!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video!
These facts can take a lifetime to master
Yes!!! A whip!
Finally they expose the power being generated from the gyroscopic movements of the hips, generating torque through the midsection, to offset the shoulder and project the fist to the final point of contact, effortlessly. “Conservation of energy” and striking with precision.
Those that are beginning and intermediate will never understand this fight language until they actually strike and get struck.
Stance, position and timing are the key concepts, then people can begin to understand the torquing dynamics to generate force through an organic structure.
Awesome Man, thanks!!
Great time. Shogen Ryu's concepts are very interesting.
You can see the blocking technique flows and fades instead of solid block. This is based on White Crane Kung Fu techniques.
Excellent video!!! BTW, you are absorbing the concepts quickly!
This was a great episode! Thank you for sharing! I have heard the figure 8 concept before, but have not understood it. Will practice it now 😁
It is very interesting .
Thanks
I hope you can try the Chan style Tai Chi and tell us the similarities and differences of power by relaxation from this style of Karate.
Yes this reminds me of Chen Style Fajing. They say at the highest levels, Okinawan Karate Masters should look like Tai Chi Chuan in their forms. I see the similarities to this and other wushu releasing internal power/Jing in it's strikes.
Strangely, this reminds me of kettlebell snatch technique. The arms are loose, with power coming from the legs and core.
I can see the knowledge running over and trying to spill out and then I see you stop and try to catch it. Brilliant.
Very interesting!
Nice video very informative.
that amount of knowledge that is packed intos this 8.5 minutes video is so intense. After watching it for the first time i was just like: woah. this make so much sense, And now everything my sensei told me back then makes even much more sense if you take this hip movement into consideration. You can consider yourself really lucky to have such great teachers Yusuke Sensei and i really envy you (in a positive way of course ;) ) of having the opportunity to make such a great experience.
Some fantastic advice on kata.
thank you
Yusuke-san, at 3:45 or so, you're starting to have real power. It was visible.
this style of Shogen-Ryu karate looks more real to me! the flow state and the ultra instinct
You can really see how much he has improved since the first episode. Very impressive.
Karate from origins of Fujian white crane and shaolin kung fu.
The arm movements seem very organic yet structured. Like vines that move in a specific way with purpose.
I like a lot that's in this video! Tekki Shodan is my favorite kata. The way he blocks, rather than pivoting at the elbow, it has a forward punch component. I developed that on my own sensing it was more effective that way. As for the one-inch punch, I learned that through Joe Lewis, who learned it from Bruce Lee. As for you, you are getting better at their relaxation/tension principle. Just need to tighten the fist before contact. No need to tighten the whole body. The snap at the end only indicates the technique is over, it has nothing to do with power.
Yes!!! A whip!
Finally they expose the power being generated from the gyroscopic movements of the hips, generating torque through the midsection, to offset the shoulder and project the fist to the final point of contact, effortlessly. “Conservation of energy” and striking with precision.
Those that are beginning and intermediate will never understand this fight language until they actually strike and get struck.
Stance, position and timing!
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Naihanchi（內步進） kata is very important in body control of Karate and Ti.
I wonder if the founder of this style may have learned some Tai Chi. We do the Figure eight Tanden rotation also.
If you learn a little bit from each of the schools you visit, you will become very good.
They come from the origins of Matsubayashi Shorin-ryu within which there was a schism in 2000. You would do well to explore their history.
the sensei looks so young and short but his voice is deep, nice training
Never heard of Shoken Ryu. Im Black in Shotokan and Kyokushin Kai but also studied Shorin Ryu Matsubayashi. My Karate background.
Private instruction from TWO venerable Karate masters! You must be in Karateka paradise Yusuke Sensei...You seemed to be catching on quickly, too.
i have reflexive tics where my body copies movements i see at the same eact time as i see them and my hips moved so much (as much as they can while seated) watching this
Okinawan style karate. it has chinese influences. its a soft style karate similar to some kung fu and tai chi styles.
Indeed, I see some Wing Chun movements and concepts in this video - Tan Sao. I am sure Tai Chi is also present greatly, but I just don't have experience in Tai Chi yet.
Of course Okinawan Karate has Chinese influence, it came from China and was combined with Okinawan fighting art thus creating Ti.
you need to visit and interview sensei Ikehara of Matsubayashi ryu.
Very funny series, it's basically you getting roasted for like an hour straight for our education.
That kata looked a lot like Tekki Shodan. I will definitely be applying some of these methods into my Shotokan!
Tekki Shodan is another name for Naihanchi. Same kata.
As a martial arts nerd i found this so interesting i know karate came from shaolin incense shop boxing which used the hips more than modern karate but used wider sweeping movements but this seems to be more influenced by Tai chi was this a native evolution or was there a northern Tai Chi influence on ancient Okinawa
the figure 8 things makes a lot sense. It's kind what boxers do to generate power in small spaces since that way your rotating your hips in multiple direction. Would be cool to see how this works with something like those two last balances exercises you have on you balance video as it would allow more weight on the balance leg like since you could till the hip and then tilt it to the leg your transitioning too instead of straight hips. I think it would be more powerful and fluid
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The movement is like Teki Shodan
I know this kata!!
No sensei has ever teached me a specific technic for a 1 inch or 6 inch punch. Though I have been practicing martial arts for many years, I understand the mechanics and usefulness. I have used it training, but just for show to my training partners. If you understand the biomechanics and alignment necessary it is not difficult.
seems like they are unconsciously implementing what the other sensei from the other style said about not over tucking your hips.
I respect what they are teaching here.
I would say this comes from Matsubayashi Ryu, but I don't want to get into politics 😊
On a side note, we can see *for sure* they were educated in the Nagamine lineage because they slap their own body in arm techniques while pulling back to hiki-te; no disrespect intended 😊
There are many variations of the"one inch punch" or "inch power in general". Aside from the interesting things your showing here, Bruce lee's one inch punch was also different from the actual wing Chun and tai chi one inch punch, which has more to do with properly transferring the force into the target in the most efficient way possible than it is about generating great power, tho yes each variation can do all
Hi Rusty. I am not expert but yes there are different ways power is generated along with the internal energy. 😊CHEERS.
@@stanclark3992 yes, and Bruce's one inch punch really didn't have much to do with the internal power, as the other variations do. at the most it did use the power of "relaxation" to more effectively use his external movement in a way that flows like water, as he would say. Tho that is not the proper interpretation of that saying and Bruce did not actually do or understand the actual training of the internal power and using it, tho he was working on it but he was actually pretty turned off to the actual training he would need to do in order to build and use the internal power can explain why I say that in more detail of you like but I think that's sufficient lol. And that being said it was very exceptional that Bruce Lee was able to use raw external force in the way he did with that much power and accuracy.
@@stanclark3992 Bruce was using the concept of motion in stillness , tho he still didn't really do the training for that either. if you understand that, if not essentially he mastered using each of his joints in a line kinda like a wave or "water" and the force was traveling from his foot to his fist without very much external movement. Which is really very beginner level training for using the internal power and kind of a pre condition for using it, tho it doesn't actually develop or build it. But it can still add alot of speed and power to your movements without actually having trained any of the internal stuff, like in systema or akido. It is a beginning stage and uses the same principles but is not yet actually internal power
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 Hi Rusty. I'm not sure myself how much internal energy Bruce Lee developed. Having said that, I do like your characterization of his 'external' strength.
I train traditional karate, a derivative of Shotokan. Traditional karate develops body, mind, spirt, and so I have internal strength. It is, however, only on a rudimentary scale. Even so, it is remarkable how it strengthens me, given I am quite average physically, at best. 🙂CHEERS.
@@stanclark3992 very good to hear that actually, I did a small bit of shotokan, but it was actually taught in my tae Kwon do class which I did for around 10 years it was just sections of karate incorporated into tkd not the art as a whole. . And I did akido for 2 years but didn't really understand it much during that time. But now for the last 10 years I have been training qi gong, tai chi and wing Chun and I've been very lucky to receive the training I have
Picture a coin spinning and as it slows down in begins to fall and make that figure 8 pattern. Now engage your psoas muscles in your legs ( inner thigh) in and up and down manner to get your waist to make the same figure 8. This generates a good deal of power and it becomes a smaller and smaller movement while delivering more and more of your weight plus rotation plus gravity…
Did they ever explain why they seem to strike themselves before their “block” or strike?
Thank you for sharing.
Taika oyata is someone you should study . My sensei is one of his last students . If you punch at a Fibonacci it creates a spiral which even less than an inch away will force your opponent to go flying ( because it’s not really a punch ) . To really get to that point nahanchi must be done 10k times. You’re snapping isn’t what generates it . In Okinawan karate there isn’t kicking or punching . You must remove that from the mind. Relax the body and let it move without you moving it. Come to Florida sometime I got ya 🤙
Punch at a Fibonacci? Please elaborate.
@@BLenz-114 throw your arm out straight then let it drop so it turns over . At this point your fist should move towards the other side of your face and you focus on pulling back not pushing . They don’t push in the style at all they pull since everything was based on fishing .
that figure 8 looks so complicated (I am still struggling with simple hip movement lol)😁
Very good video! 👍 how do I take your free trial online lesson?
What is the name of your theme music at the beginning of the video?
Interesting for me is the Uchi-Uke he is doing moves forward to the partner, while we try to take the Block early and pull the partner in his direction. Would be interesting for me to feel the difference. 🤔👌
I hope you did understand what I'm trying to describe. 😅
That mobius strip movement is giving me Kengan Ashura vibes. Though the character did it with his shoulders instead of his hips.
Edit: Ok, now it’s giving more Kengan vibes with the letting your body limp like jelly. Is this Formless Karate?
Kata shotokanryu "Tekki Shodan"
When I wear gi I cant never get my punches to snap but when I kick I can always get my kicks to snap out that power but my punches do have power but I cant never get the gi to snap can you help me what I do wrong? By making a video on it? Thanks for your time.
This is among my most difficult to conforms its from this curricular philosphy
although I'm not against this Shogen Ryu Karate but only thing I decline to participated this because I made lacking sufficient understanding that how to cope from this strange fundamentals here,
I am no against this but this is another part from my new fundental studies,
On my own qualified Philosophy
I used already with similar results from here
as to draw with strikes towards wall bag via loosely flexed my own inclosed fist without huge changing its structural position but I keeping my position well-aligned accompanied from my biomechanics and my reinforced structural qualifications as yet when they hit at the exact locations and yet rigidity of the aligned trajectory were to contracting my fist at the period of collision course and that is my own economy of motions that I've isolated to learn from my Eskrima stick strikes
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I can't get the tanden movement. Seems difficult to me
Very similar to wing chun practice to be honest
What's the kata in 0:17?
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Fun Fact; since the 1960’s Okinawa Karate master’s have gone to Taiwan to learn from the Older Generation there. Because Taiwan had a huge immigration from Fujian for almost 400 years. That’s a long time. Perhaps historically longer than Okinawans trips to the Mainland. Once back in Okinawa what they learned in Taiwan becomes “ our old Okinawa secrets from our Ancestors “. Yeah. Untrue and disingenuous. BUT! They had a captive classroom of young eager paying American GI’s signing up in their dojos! Buying karate gi and testing fees. Never to understand Kata bunkai and how the old “ hide and seek “ system fit together!
I’ve seen it all. I’m pushing 70 speak fluent Chinese and have lived on Taiwan and sometimes Okinawa most of my life. Follow the money. Sorry but it’s completely true
PS! There is a Chinese no-inch point blank punch too! Can’t wait for a “ made in Japan”label on that !
Curious...why is he hitting himself to make that snappy sound..
Why does he keep slapping his chest to make sound all the time? Is this part of the technique or style?
In your video: "Top 10 mistakes in karate you overlook.", one of the mistakes is hitting yourself to make the punch sound more impressive. But your sensei here does it every time. Now explain to me please who is wrong on this issue? Thanks.
Wait Bruuh were the 1 inch punch
It'$ not really close in karate?!?!?🙄
Don’t understand circles movements! Bad!
Dont feel any power in strikes.
I don't like it this style. The instructors slap their body in almost every move creating the illusion of power. I understand to relax but this seems like a sales gimmick to me with the slaps of the body. Like they are trying to convince you and themselves this is a better way, when in fact it is just compensations of power due to age. Just my opinion.
Agree. Couldnt describe it better!
Unfortunately internal body mechanics aren't the easiest to comprehend or "see" in non-physical formats like TH-cam, but if you know what you're looking for (full body connect/root, movement from the tanden/dantien, etc.) then it's easy to see these two sensei's have a ton of skill that unfortunately needs to be felt in person to understand or believe.
@@Newtypenewtype This concept is only expressed with some of the older masters in Okinawa in many styles of Karate. I practice Goju my teacher learned in Okinawa, so this concept is prevalent and taught in what we do. Achieving this creates more power and speed with less effort once mastered, a lot harder than it looks, can take several years to put it all together with proper timing, but well worth the effort. Like you said it has to be experienced to be understood.
@@JardoniJovonovich what. Its not a deadly blow. I respect these masters like i Respekt oll TMA. But in a real fight or mma its bullshit. Its more a philosophie and history than effective real fighting...
Well . . . . I agree that body slaps are sometimes used to "fake" having power or snap, but I felt like with these guys, they weren't trying to fool anyone with the noise, it was just a side effect of their relaxed style. They never told him to make the noise or slap himself. I'd say it can indicate BS but is not necessarily an indication of BS.
As to whether the relaxed style is "better" . . . yeah, I think that's TBD. But I give these guys some serious respect, seeing how long they've been at it.
Sloppy and no torque! Give up!