Yo what is up guys, hope me sharing some of what I found to be powerful was helpful. Remember your account is your own and you should always do what you find to be most fun and enjoyable!
I need to see the numbers, so here's what to expect once you reach EQ4: Char Level 60 -> 70 requires 66 purple EXP books, Calyxes drop ~2 books per run, so 330 stamina per character Cone Level 60 -> 70 requires 29 purple Films for 4-star, 36 for 5-star, Calyxes drop ~2 films per run, so 150 stamina and 180 stamina per 4-star and 5-star light cones, respectively Traces Level 60 -> 70 requires minimum 12-13 (8 for stat bonuses + investing into the ult and skill + 4-5 for light cone ascension) for 4-star character, minimum 16-17 for 5-star character; Calyxes drop anywhere from 0.4 to 1.5 purple mat per run, so average of 130 stamina and 180 stamina for 4-star and 5-star characters, respectively Per character, you will need 610 stamina per 4-star character and 690 stamina (nice) per 5-star character. If we assume we have literally nothing going into TL50, then that's an average of 2.7 days of farming per character for just the bare minimum traces but maxed level and light cones. If you are set on 8+ characters, that's a little over 3 weeks without using any fuel. And this doesn't event take into account maxing your main dmg dealers and farming for credits. To give a more realistic example, once I reached TL50 I managed to level up 7 characters to 65+, 2 light cones to 70, and bonus stat traces for 4 characters. I only plan to focus on light cone farming and bare minimum traces while farming what level EXP I can from the daily farming route until TL60, so that cuts down my stamina cost to around 300 per character. However, I'll probably need to farm credits simultaneously, which is easily another 150 stamina or more. Still, that's < 2 days of farming per character for a total of ~2 weeks. Just in time for the new patch and MoC reset. Hope this helps add to Grim's vid and lmk if I got the numbers wrong. Edit: Currently TL 53 and realizing that trace farming is hell and it's closer to 0.45-0.5 purple mats per run, which means stamina totals double to 260 and 360, respectively, for 4-star and 5-star characters. Help.
this is very helpful, I'll probably focus on only farming golden calyxes since they are at max level already, got all of my characters relevant traces at lvl 6 and I'm despairing over how I've exclusively farmed exp for 4 days and am still a bit short on exp to lvl a character from 70 to 80
If you are actively farming the overworld you may wish to only level your characters to 69/70 the exp given from overworld mobs can add up and save exp books in the long run ^.^ great tips love the format
I'm about to hit 50 after the reset, and I previously thought investing in traces up to level 6 was quite a bad decision. Looking at it now, it was a good idea as I will mostly park my units at trace level 6. Time to relic farm when I hit 50!
Thank you for the heads up! This is the kind of guides that everyone should know of because the amount of stamina efficiency you get from these advices is very invaluable.
I'm 47, not sure I can really push to 50 before Monday :/ sounds unlikely. And I wouldn't know what to dump that stamina into. Credits ? Xp ? LC xp ? SU artifacts ?
Im getting tl50 in a few hours, thank god that I saved my echo of war and I can do it in eq4 before the weekly reset. Nice tip to optimize efficiency on farming between traces and xp books! Definitely doing that path. Thank u for this 3:36, i've been finding this for so long. Glad that I was right speculating the materials needed which is 5 on lvl 7 to 8. Didn't expect the echo of war mats tho. I pre-farmed the exact amount to max my seele. 🙌
Your timing is always perfect. Thank you once again for the comprehensive information 🙏 I was just thinking about this earlier before I logged out lmao
It is worth noting that for the person relying on daily experience, their relative power level even once they reach an equal TL is going to be much lower with much less resources. The majority of exp for a stamina refresher is resource dense, whereas more than half of the experience for a normal player is coming from dailies.
Very fair point I think its totally fair to skip the memory of chaos dps and healer power spike and forgo the jades if you want to maximise your stamina efficiency on the golden calyxs what do you think?
@@GrimroGacha damn you both have a really good point here! Im going to look more carefully if the dps power spike will grant me more stellar jades in the current rotation when i reach it; if not, i'll just go for max efficiency
I should remind people that this is only for people interested in pushing MoC and getting maximum efficiency out of their stamina. If you're not that hardcore and aren't pushing MoC you can just farm whatever you want until you want to attempt going far there. So if you like the RNG of farming relics go for it.
So far I've done full stars in Memory of Chaos up until the 3rd floor. 4th floor is crazy. My plan so far is to get maximum levels on artifacts for my characters without focusing a lot on substats. When it's done I'll ascend most to lvl.70. TL52 so far so I got some time until TL60.
I heard that the Wind set is also pretty good for supports thanks to the 25% Action Advance on Ultimate. A Reddit post seemed to think it might even out-perform Wild Wheat in some scenarios, so do you think that domain be good to farm if you have also have Yanqing to make use of the Ice set?
absolutely, the wind set is the most op support set right now. the broken combo is natasha or bailu with the lightcone that you can buy in the mirror, the one that gives energy to a unit below 50% energy everytime your turn begins. which makes the extra turns become a battery of both energy AND skillpoints. it makes some dps go from 4-3 skills per ultimate to 2-3 skills per ultimate and some supports like welt actually make heavy use of more energy regen.
On what scenarios does it outperform wild wheat? I just got done farming knight set and am thinking of farming wild wheat but if wind set is generally better, id farm that instead
@@joaquinchua3348 if you have the wind set with spd boots, it goes toe to toe with wild set with spd boots for every harmony/nihility character (keeping in mind damage sets on certain nihylity characters is better on non hypercarry teams, a.k.a kafka, sampo, you get the idea)... on abundance, with quid pro quo at high superimposition (you can get it from the mirror shop) it becomes superior at every point. since it gives certain characters a new energy breakpoint. units like welt, YQ, Seele, march 7th that rely on their ults for extra utility going from 3-4 skills to 2-3skills is op... it's just very rng to get a wind set with spd boots :c
If you're already getting 27/30 stars in MoC it means whatever you did is perfectly fine. That's the hardest content and f2p players should get there in a month or so with even more resources (new quests and another extra month of assignments/content). Day one players who used fuel but didn't refresh energy are only reaching lvl50 today and tomorrow.
You're a explaining legend I'm going to subscribe to you right now you deserve alot thanks for your advices keep going we all looking forward for more and more videos like this ❤❤
Hitting 50 today and feel like I’ve really mismanaged my materials. I have 12 characters at either 60/60 or 50/60 and am really going to struggle when moving into the 70 territory. Been leveling units i know I’ll use eventually but I feel like I would’ve been better off trying to make just two hypercarry team comps.
12 characters? what do you need 12 characters for? youd only level up more if you need them to push higher in simulated universe or memories. Otherwise it's better to stall leveling new characters as late as possible, as you get more mats to level them faster when you get higher equilibrium. Once you've almost maxed out 8 characters, getting another 9th character to that same level will be done super quickly, at the loss of rolling for more relics anyway.
I'm still only lvl 43 but this is helpful to think about the future. Right now I'm working on traces for my main DPS's (Seele and Sushang) as well as my preservation units (Gepard and fire MC). I got quite lucky on the weekly bosses that dropped a pair of wild wheat gloves with double crit and atk%. It rolled crit rate twice then at +12 and +15 it hit flat hp of couse >.< but I think 8.1 cr and 5.8 cd is still pretty good at my level. I also got a hat that has crit rate and atk% that I didn't dare level yet. I'm hoping I don't have to farm too much in the wild wheat cavern, but it really is such a universal set. Too bad it's paired with a garbage set, like the quantum one as well -.- I think my Seele is going to be stuck on wild wheat for a while... I'm wondering if I should farm a boxer set for Sushang, and how valuable is the thief set anyway?
@@-Maruku- It really depends on which characters you want to build. Buffer like Bronya and Tingyun needs Crit DMG% and ATK respectively. While debuffer like Asta and Pela needs some effect hit rate and break effect.
I was shocked when I heard about your 27 stars in Memory of Chaos :D I barely managed to finish 4th floor and got just 3 stars from all the first 4 floors lol
Wished there was like a mini/brief section that recaps what to prioritize at the lower Trailblaze levels before 50-60 since most of us aren't there yet and new/updated info might impact farming efficiency at the lower ones. Also was wondering how impactful are Debuffers like Pela and Welt atm for endgame/MoC compared to using Buffers like Tingyun, Bronya, and even Asta since they compete for the same slot in team comps? Especially curious about Welt since he was ranked higher in your last Tierlist update as some found success with him, but slowing enemy speed (helps with survivability) doesn't slow down turns too.
U can take a small L and preefarm acension mats to only ur main dmg dealer and get her or him up an running fast in order to make the transition a bit smoother and the grinding smoother. Especially if u dont have any high lvl friends
yah that's a good way of spending fuels, these days a just spent all of my resources on perfecting my Jingyuan and it was really tuff, rng sucks bla bla. Now I got a decent ratio after 3 days and just found out your video which opens my mind ALOT 😅 Btw thanks for sharing
I'm about to reach level 50 tomorrow, and I think I'm just gonna spend almost all of my time from level 50-60 farming EXP and credits. I already spent levels 40-50 getting 5 star relics for my main team, getting all their traces to level 6, and pre-farming all of the ascension materials necessary to get both them and the characters I plan to use on my second team to level 70. I'll hold off on farming more relics, trace materials, and ascension materials until I reach level 60, since I don't plan on tackling Memory of Chaos until I'm at least level 60 anyways, so I may as well make the most of my time until then by hording EXP and credits while it's still the most efficient thing to farm.
I just got to 50, this guide is very helpful. The first thing I'll do is lvl 70 my DPS and their light cones and then upgrade some stat bonus traces. Then I'm probably prioritizing leveling characters up and just settle for copium relics for the meantime.
You can also take your dps skill and ultimate traces etc if applicable to 7 or maybe 8 if you are looking to BIG invest for even more dmg but that costs a lot of mats.
Same as in Genshin, sweet spot was having 60/70(sup) or 70/80(DPS)(have in mind genshin has 90lvl cap while HSR only 80) characters and 6*/6/6(sup) 8*/8/8(dps) talents. *- many characters dont have benefits from lvlup basic attack both support and DPS because supports dont even use it in combat thats why till this day all my suppports is 1/8/8 while i can make them 9/9/9 in a second, and even dps still 8/8/8, i start to lvlup to lvl 9 or 10 only after 3 years of playing because i have nothing else to upgrade and i already beat hardest content 2.5 years ago and do it till this day without any problems. I was able to get 36stars in abyss even with lvl70 characters that was having lvl 3-5 skills. And i strongly believe that in HSR its more easy to do because even as f2p i already get to hardest content and on next week i will already get some stars. While in genshin it took 2 times more time to get to this point.
So I accidentally was farming good value relics sets XD I started with Genius of Brilliant Stars for Seele. Currently working on two sets of Knight of Purity Palace and Band of Sizzling Thunder for Serval ^_^
half the comments are people saying this so the timing is not unusual. most people who started in the few days are at exactly this point, there's very little variation or room for different progression speed when everyone is limited by the stamina (or max number of stellar jade refreshes) system. kinda like how everyone is running the exact same teams because there are so few units in the game
Good tips! Farm relics, trace materials, ascending materials or whatever if you want to make progress in MoC, o/w farm golden Calyx at equilibrium level 4. The reasoning becomes obvious if you reverse engineer what you will farm when you are at a higher equilibrium level. Say I farmed some crimson Calyx at EL4, if I ever needed to farm golden Calyx when I am at EL5, it's a loss, cz I would be better off switching them (i.e. doing the crimson at EL5 and the golden Calyx at EL4). So reverse engineering this you would get maxed efficiency / output by doing the following: farm based on demand at EL6 (or above), farm only descending/trace materials at EL5, farm only gold and exp at EL4. This also implies farming relics at EL3 is a wise move as it is the last chance to farm relics before we get EL6 w/o loss of efficiency. Well, this might be too late but should be good tips for new comers.
Wow I picked up on this as well. I realized golden calyx is gonna be my new home so I started farming relics the other day (currently tb48). I have a ton of fodder from simverse so I'm excited to see a dramatic improvement in my account.
@@yukiakabane8381 Yes, Right now you should be farming quantum set for qq/seele, and then wild wheat once thats done until 50. Dont feel pressured to prefarm mats right now, be patient and youll have a much more polished account. Also for relics, take what you get (correct main stats), dont try to make perfect builds, wait until your core 8 is lvl 70 with lvl 5 talent, then can go back and minmax relics.
Does this still hold if you get bp resources? Also when should you spend fuel then? I'm currently tb 48, prefarmed a bunch of mats for seele ascension for EL4 before I saw this. So main stat relics at EL3, ascend level + lc at EL4, traces at EL5?
If have both seele and clara, the quantum set for the former and the dmg reduction set is quite good for a tank that doesnt give shields like clara as I dont use march in her team so the domain will be good in that case. Anyway, my luck in relics are horrible, just getting main stat is so difficult.
I would prefer normal dps stats but with that dmg reduction set because stacking dmg reduction have exponential effects, as well as the help of healing and especially the energy gain to maintain the taunt/dmg reduction buff on clara but make sure clara is faster than the healer to get the effect. Plus, I just required that little bit of survivability to match that of natasha beside her who is very tanky so cleave attacks killing clara but not natasha situation wouldnt happen. Anyway, I also like fleet of the ageless for the extra hp and total sum of 32% atk on the whole team to survive MoC.
Im confused, you said to level up traces to 6/8 + passives at the start then wild wheat set farming but later said to leave it all till you are 60 and just focus on the golden calyxes and getting characters to 70 instead since you aren't farming at full efficiency? which one?
didnt realise that the calyxes max out when the others keep scaling. Definitely changes it a bit, I've been prefarming for all prior equilibrium levels but definitely wont for that last one
Great video like usual! Are you going to do any videos of your memory of chaos runs? Would love to see the team comps you use and how you play out some of these harder stages
hey grim, I have a question as well as a video idea I would like to see. can you talk about double dps, vs dps debuffer, vs dps buffer? Things like which is better, to run seele with welt, or seele with tingyun, or even seele with Jing yuan.
Hey, Grim not sure if this is something you want to do, but when you get to the point where you feel it’s worth farming for you characters final gear it may be worth mention what ratio of ATK to CRIT you want in your stats. As in early game ATK is so much more accessible so obv everyone has too much and is hitting diminishing returns. This would be a interesting video imo as it will really give incite on which gear sets/ ornaments you may want. e.g. we know crit rate/crit damage should be 1/2(up to 100% crit rate) but how much atk over base do you want? Mathematically you want your (ATK% more than base) * 2.23 = crit rate % + crit damage %. That will give you the optimal ratio of atk to crit
I dont subscribe to “maximum attack” theory. Stats all have a specific value to each character based on the stats they already have and their kits or potential buffs therefor even if you have a lot of attack it still might be good to get more.
@@GrimroGacha except that’s not how the maths works. The more attack you have less relative improvement you get, it’s what people mean by diminishing returns. That same improvement if spent on the equivalent crit would be worth more damage than the attack. Taking the avg sub stat ratios actually tells you what is worth what 3.9% Atk/2.9% crit rate/ 5.8% crit damage is the ratio of stats you want for the most damage.
Crazy theory for those that lack Gepard/Bailu: Guard set on the entire team + Fire MC + New Life lightcone has the potential to keep the entire team alive without Natasha/March. The 8% max HP heal per turn looks bad, but if you can somehow reduce damage intake to 24% of max HP per turn then that 8% heal has an effect similar to 33% damage reduction. Taking only 16% max HP per turn means that 8% heal is similar to 50% damage reduction. And if you can reduce damage intake to 8% of max HP or less, then you're invincible. DMG RES is the opposite of DMG or ATK in that the more DMG RES you have the better it gets. So you won't see a significant improvement for using a damage set, while the Guard set's 8% DMG RES looks a lot better when stacked with Fire MC team buff and New Life lightcone. I'm rank 41, and farming the Guard set once I hit 50 is my current plan unless I luck into Gepard/Bailu.
games like this typically make damage reduction stack with itself multiplicatively (e.g. 20% DR + 20% DR is 1*.8*.8 = 64% damage taken) so that it isn't possible to reach 100% DR (total immunity) from multiple sources, so i would double check the damage formula for that if you have not already.
DMG RES is a different multiplier than damage reduction. It doesn't add up like that. In this game, effects that reduce damage taken don't stack with similar effects to begin with (even with same wording). It's all multiplicative as far I have tested. You never get to utopic numbers of damage mitigation like you suggested, not even close. Some friends of mine have no additional defensive options either. But they still got some progress into MoC at Trailblazer 40.
@@ex_cathedra To be fair, it does stack like that in Genshin Impact. Still, he should have checked the facts before calculating a bunch of stuff only based on assumptions.
I noticed on the characters 3rd bonus ability it says ascension 6. Isnt that TL70? right now we are equilibrium 4 at TL50, am i missing something or we get a double equilibrium level up within 50-60?
Awesome guide . Very informative . I had a question . On healers and shielders . Which main stat would you suggest getting ?? I'm new to Honkai and just learning the ropes . 😅
Thanks for this. I might reach TL 50 by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest, so this is really helpful. Going to work on leveling up Seele and Sushang as my DPS. Hook as a third option since I didn't get Jing Yuan, so I need more coverage to counter elements instead of relying on Jing to carry my second team. Good thing I haven't farmed Wild Wheat yet because that was the set I was gonna go ham on when I reach 50 since it reminds me of Genshin's Gladiator where you can just slap it on anyone for free damage.
Unless you have the second healer (Bailu) or strong shielder (Gepard) invested for Chaos, I don't think it's efficient farming Wild Wheat to deal with Chaos. My second team (no healer) hardly gains victory in high stages of Chaos. I focus on farming character materials and quantum set for my main Seele team, and the guard set (dmg taken -8%) coming along with it will be for all characters in the second team (no healer). I don't think it will be a wise choice but that all I can come up with aiming for Chaos. Do you guys have any better idea to help me?
as a Bailuless and Gepardless, I just don't bother too much about Chaos. You could try with a Seele super nuke high risk (no healer), and a Natasha team on the other. Otherwise, just wait and chill until we get Luocha 😁
honestly i dont think youll get far without gepard or bailu. I dont think farming specific sets is going to change that. Roll fire mc + march 7th in 1 team and natasha in the second is probably best bet and your other characters need to hit enemies for strong weakness breaks. But getting a tiny bit of extra damage on seele isnt going to help your other team win. You need universally good sets on 8 characters, just turns out that wild wheat is good on everything.
From what I see on the tooltips you can use Immersifiers as a Stamina battery if you want to have as much Stamina available as you hit that next Equilibrium level. Simply turn Stamina into Immersifiers up to the cap of 8 (320 Stamina) and then consume them to replenish Stamina when needed. Just make sure to not overcap Immersifiers with the weekly SU rewards.
You are only able to redeem immersifiers in the simulated universe, not anywhere else. This is an excellent strategy to bank stamina now to do on a higher sim universe level but otherwise is kinda pigeonholing your stamina.
@@tomyourfriendlyhagcollector no, you just use them in place of 40 stamina when redeeming for planar sets, but you can save up to 8 of them without time limit.
imma be farming exp and credits cause goddamn is it expensive, I've been farming for like 4 days only character exp and I still don't have enough to lvl a character from 70 to 80, like wth
I'm one of those who like reading / looking at information while listening. So an info graphic would be tremendous to digest / screen shot for reference. Perhaps as a TL:DR at the end you could maybe type a quick one up on notepad. I just find myself continuously going back 20secs to try to make sure i understand what it is you're saying and when you're saying it.
i have been saving my fuel and just today hit level 50. would you say it's safe to spend fuel now or should i hold off until i reach 60? i havent farmed relics yet so im thinking on spending it on them (im free to play and not too interested in hard pushing memory of chaos)
Just checking star rail station ascending seele grants 7.7% more base life going from 703 to 753. You also gain 6.8% more base attack which I personally think is pretty nice I guess if you factor in light cones and base attack and life from high level relics you could consider the boost less.
@@GrimroGacha Oh yes, I was looking at my total. That said, I was thinking of leaving all supports at 60/60 but now that you mentioned the final special-trace unlock it seems impossible after all in the long run :)
I think farming wild wheat at the start is good since most characters use it but eventually it would be better to pivot to other domains We get wild wheat pieces from echoes of war so over time you'd get a good pieces without using additional stamina since we have to farm echoes of war anyway Farming wild wheat domain provides the most power short term but lower stamina efficiency over the long term
Agree. Imo focusing farming wild wheat now only matter for those that want to min max ASAP and get star on MoC. For f2p casual might as well farm the specific domain and just use whatever substat you got as long the mainstat match and just level it to 12-15 and continue the grind at next world level.
Problem with that is like what are you farming for? Just farming wild wheat is getting him 27/30 Memory of chaos stars, and it’s not ridiculous to assume that the power spike from just getting the last ascension passive will be enough to full clear. What will need the “Best in slot” relics?
this isn’t really true because wild wheat is still BIS on so many supports in the game, and supports make up a vast majority of any team comp. Even in the late game, until new sets come out, wild wheat is still super useful in the late game. The only real replacements you’d have to do are for your main dps’s, and even then, for most characters minus Seele, 2pc 2pc is generally barely under a full 4pc set for them- like the difference between hitting one or two better substat rolls.
Yo what is up guys, hope me sharing some of what I found to be powerful was helpful. Remember your account is your own and you should always do what you find to be most fun and enjoyable!
I lost my 50/50 to clara and i got her light cone a while back from the standard banner so i guess imma main her now. Any relic set recommendation?
@@honv1990 The Champion Boxer is her BiS set....since it's Physical DMG bonus and also triggers ATK% Bonuses when they attack or get hit.
@@JMike-bq6rl thx for the info, I'm trailblaze level 49 atm might try to farm it after I hit 50 in the coming week.
hi Grim , how long did it took you to get to lv 60 account from lv 50? thx
Do you recomend using Effect Hit Rate on the MC to reduce the chance of the enemy resisting the Taunt?
HSR is in fact not a rpg game, but a resource management simulator.
Every single gacha is like that if you try to minmax characters
HSR means?
@@kakaishi7210 honkai star rail lol
@@kakaishi7210 Headquarter Simulator for Resources 😂
I knew it going in.
I need to see the numbers, so here's what to expect once you reach EQ4:
Char Level 60 -> 70 requires 66 purple EXP books, Calyxes drop ~2 books per run, so 330 stamina per character
Cone Level 60 -> 70 requires 29 purple Films for 4-star, 36 for 5-star, Calyxes drop ~2 films per run, so 150 stamina and 180 stamina per 4-star and 5-star light cones, respectively
Traces Level 60 -> 70 requires minimum 12-13 (8 for stat bonuses + investing into the ult and skill + 4-5 for light cone ascension) for 4-star character, minimum 16-17 for 5-star character; Calyxes drop anywhere from 0.4 to 1.5 purple mat per run, so average of 130 stamina and 180 stamina for 4-star and 5-star characters, respectively
Per character, you will need 610 stamina per 4-star character and 690 stamina (nice) per 5-star character. If we assume we have literally nothing going into TL50, then that's an average of 2.7 days of farming per character for just the bare minimum traces but maxed level and light cones. If you are set on 8+ characters, that's a little over 3 weeks without using any fuel. And this doesn't event take into account maxing your main dmg dealers and farming for credits.
To give a more realistic example, once I reached TL50 I managed to level up 7 characters to 65+, 2 light cones to 70, and bonus stat traces for 4 characters. I only plan to focus on light cone farming and bare minimum traces while farming what level EXP I can from the daily farming route until TL60, so that cuts down my stamina cost to around 300 per character. However, I'll probably need to farm credits simultaneously, which is easily another 150 stamina or more. Still, that's < 2 days of farming per character for a total of ~2 weeks. Just in time for the new patch and MoC reset.
Hope this helps add to Grim's vid and lmk if I got the numbers wrong.
Edit: Currently TL 53 and realizing that trace farming is hell and it's closer to 0.45-0.5 purple mats per run, which means stamina totals double to 260 and 360, respectively, for 4-star and 5-star characters. Help.
this is so helpful why nobody hasnt give some appreciation yet, thanks for the info man
this is very helpful, I'll probably focus on only farming golden calyxes since they are at max level already, got all of my characters relevant traces at lvl 6 and I'm despairing over how I've exclusively farmed exp for 4 days and am still a bit short on exp to lvl a character from 70 to 80
Thanks dude this is really nice, though in the future it would be less than 3 weeks because we'll get stuff from events and nameless glory.
thank you so much! I was lost on how to progress since I have my two teams decently built
Wish I could save this while at work
If you are actively farming the overworld you may wish to only level your characters to 69/70 the exp given from overworld mobs can add up and save exp books in the long run ^.^ great tips love the format
I'm about to hit 50 after the reset, and I previously thought investing in traces up to level 6 was quite a bad decision. Looking at it now, it was a good idea as I will mostly park my units at trace level 6. Time to relic farm when I hit 50!
Thank you for the heads up! This is the kind of guides that everyone should know of because the amount of stamina efficiency you get from these advices is very invaluable.
What perfect timing! I'm on lvl 48 rn, getting there slowly but surely
I'm pretty close too, I don't get a chance to progress much so I've mostly been spam upgrading everyone while its still relatively cheap
I'm on 49. Pushing to 50 before Monday even if I have to use fuel. I would say the same for the guys at 48. Push for 50 before reset on Monday
48 rn too and this video is a blessing
I'm 47, not sure I can really push to 50 before Monday :/ sounds unlikely.
And I wouldn't know what to dump that stamina into.
Credits ? Xp ? LC xp ?
SU artifacts ?
@@UnWokeChronicles why before Monday?
I just hit TB 50 so this video is very helpful, thanks!
Edit: I never thought I'd run out of credits so fast
Im getting tl50 in a few hours, thank god that I saved my echo of war and I can do it in eq4 before the weekly reset. Nice tip to optimize efficiency on farming between traces and xp books! Definitely doing that path.
Thank u for this 3:36, i've been finding this for so long. Glad that I was right speculating the materials needed which is 5 on lvl 7 to 8. Didn't expect the echo of war mats tho. I pre-farmed the exact amount to max my seele. 🙌
Your timing is always perfect. Thank you once again for the comprehensive information 🙏 I was just thinking about this earlier before I logged out lmao
It is worth noting that for the person relying on daily experience, their relative power level even once they reach an equal TL is going to be much lower with much less resources. The majority of exp for a stamina refresher is resource dense, whereas more than half of the experience for a normal player is coming from dailies.
Very fair point I think its totally fair to skip the memory of chaos dps and healer power spike and forgo the jades if you want to maximise your stamina efficiency on the golden calyxs what do you think?
@@GrimroGacha damn you both have a really good point here! Im going to look more carefully if the dps power spike will grant me more stellar jades in the current rotation when i reach it; if not, i'll just go for max efficiency
Every stamina saved is more Relics for Qingque - which is why I’m eagerly awaiting Grimro’s QQ guide
run break effect to extend the entanglement time
Another great one grim!
I should remind people that this is only for people interested in pushing MoC and getting maximum efficiency out of their stamina. If you're not that hardcore and aren't pushing MoC you can just farm whatever you want until you want to attempt going far there. So if you like the RNG of farming relics go for it.
At TR50 farming for Relics is already pretty safe.
I just hit TL 50 and this Guide really helped me what to prepare and stuff.
NICE! I just got lv50 yesterday, I kinda got overwhelmed with how everything is so expensive. Thanks for the guide!!
thank you for the analysis on relics. i did a bit of farming for the quantum this week and it was just pain
Waiting for people to start doing TB 60 discoveries of drops, really looking forward to it
You're a god-send! Exactly what I needed
Thanks! I actually just reached 50 yesterday lol so good timing
So far I've done full stars in Memory of Chaos up until the 3rd floor. 4th floor is crazy. My plan so far is to get maximum levels on artifacts for my characters without focusing a lot on substats. When it's done I'll ascend most to lvl.70. TL52 so far so I got some time until TL60.
man grim you helped me out alot in poe with ur currency guides and now you are carrying me in Honkai ty man for all the work you done
I heard that the Wind set is also pretty good for supports thanks to the 25% Action Advance on Ultimate. A Reddit post seemed to think it might even out-perform Wild Wheat in some scenarios, so do you think that domain be good to farm if you have also have Yanqing to make use of the Ice set?
absolutely, the wind set is the most op support set right now.
the broken combo is natasha or bailu with the lightcone that you can buy in the mirror, the one that gives energy to a unit below 50% energy everytime your turn begins. which makes the extra turns become a battery of both energy AND skillpoints.
it makes some dps go from 4-3 skills per ultimate to 2-3 skills per ultimate and some supports like welt actually make heavy use of more energy regen.
I desperately need a Speed Boots for this specific Wind set effect....for my Bronya.....to make her start becoming a Skill cost efficient unit.
On what scenarios does it outperform wild wheat? I just got done farming knight set and am thinking of farming wild wheat but if wind set is generally better, id farm that instead
Bro listening to reddit dwellers over grim
What a fool
Yeah I'll farm wild wheat for my whole team rn thanks
I'll get optimal sets later
@@joaquinchua3348 if you have the wind set with spd boots, it goes toe to toe with wild set with spd boots for every harmony/nihility character (keeping in mind damage sets on certain nihylity characters is better on non hypercarry teams, a.k.a kafka, sampo, you get the idea)...
on abundance, with quid pro quo at high superimposition (you can get it from the mirror shop) it becomes superior at every point. since it gives certain characters a new energy breakpoint. units like welt, YQ, Seele, march 7th that rely on their ults for extra utility going from 3-4 skills to 2-3skills is op... it's just very rng to get a wind set with spd boots :c
dude how are these videos so well timed at at tb49 rn tyyy for the infooss !
I'm at TL 49 atm so I definitely needed these tips 👍
your videos are always extremely helpful! thank you
I just got to 50 like an hour ago so this is very helpful! thank u
I'll be coming back here often in the near future, just hit Trail Blaze lvl 50 yesterday!
thanks Grim, keep up the good work
Just got to 50, ty for pointing out golden crimson efficiency!
If you're already getting 27/30 stars in MoC it means whatever you did is perfectly fine. That's the hardest content and f2p players should get there in a month or so with even more resources (new quests and another extra month of assignments/content). Day one players who used fuel but didn't refresh energy are only reaching lvl50 today and tomorrow.
Only easy for f2p if they have gerpard or bailu.
I'm definitely glad I listened to okcode he said like day 1 you should just farm wild wheat as a baseline and then go from there later
I like how the phrase "farming wild wheat" even _sounds_ right.
As usual thanks for doing the work and sharing.
You're a explaining legend I'm going to subscribe to you right now you deserve alot thanks for your advices keep going we all looking forward for more and more videos like this ❤❤
hey babe wake up! new grimro video
Hitting 50 today and feel like I’ve really mismanaged my materials. I have 12 characters at either 60/60 or 50/60 and am really going to struggle when moving into the 70 territory. Been leveling units i know I’ll use eventually but I feel like I would’ve been better off trying to make just two hypercarry team comps.
That definitely seems whats popular right now
just work on your main dps first, also just cause you did the ascension quest, you can still do easier runs, or get assists from other players
12 characters? what do you need 12 characters for? youd only level up more if you need them to push higher in simulated universe or memories. Otherwise it's better to stall leveling new characters as late as possible, as you get more mats to level them faster when you get higher equilibrium. Once you've almost maxed out 8 characters, getting another 9th character to that same level will be done super quickly, at the loss of rolling for more relics anyway.
Thank you! Very informative! 😁
I'm still only lvl 43 but this is helpful to think about the future. Right now I'm working on traces for my main DPS's (Seele and Sushang) as well as my preservation units (Gepard and fire MC). I got quite lucky on the weekly bosses that dropped a pair of wild wheat gloves with double crit and atk%. It rolled crit rate twice then at +12 and +15 it hit flat hp of couse >.< but I think 8.1 cr and 5.8 cd is still pretty good at my level. I also got a hat that has crit rate and atk% that I didn't dare level yet. I'm hoping I don't have to farm too much in the wild wheat cavern, but it really is such a universal set. Too bad it's paired with a garbage set, like the quantum one as well -.- I think my Seele is going to be stuck on wild wheat for a while... I'm wondering if I should farm a boxer set for Sushang, and how valuable is the thief set anyway?
TLDR: Min-Max Priority
1. Main DPS > Damage
2. Sustain Healer/Tanker > HP/DEF
3. Buffer/Debuffer > Utilities
What's a Utilities? Effect Res/Effect Hit Rate?
@@-Maruku- It really depends on which characters you want to build.
Buffer like Bronya and Tingyun needs Crit DMG% and ATK respectively.
While debuffer like Asta and Pela needs some effect hit rate and break effect.
Super helpful thank you!!!!
This video was soo good I had to watch it again. I must say I wasted a lot on farming 5 star relics on seele 🤣 I’m TL 48 now. This was helpful!
Dude really knows what the community needs! Always here craving more about your discoveries my dude
I was shocked when I heard about your 27 stars in Memory of Chaos :D
I barely managed to finish 4th floor and got just 3 stars from all the first 4 floors lol
Wished there was like a mini/brief section that recaps what to prioritize at the lower Trailblaze levels before 50-60 since most of us aren't there yet and new/updated info might impact farming efficiency at the lower ones.
Also was wondering how impactful are Debuffers like Pela and Welt atm for endgame/MoC compared to using Buffers like Tingyun, Bronya, and even Asta since they compete for the same slot in team comps? Especially curious about Welt since he was ranked higher in your last Tierlist update as some found success with him, but slowing enemy speed (helps with survivability) doesn't slow down turns too.
U can take a small L and preefarm acension mats to only ur main dmg dealer and get her or him up an running fast in order to make the transition a bit smoother and the grinding smoother. Especially if u dont have any high lvl friends
I just hit 50 minutes ago so great timing for the video. Thank you!!
yah that's a good way of spending fuels, these days a just spent all of my resources on perfecting my Jingyuan and it was really tuff, rng sucks bla bla.
Now I got a decent ratio after 3 days and just found out your video which opens my mind ALOT 😅
Btw thanks for sharing
I really like the healer set on my healers. Starting with an extra skill point is really nice, and 10% outgoing healing can help top you off.
I'm about to reach level 50 tomorrow, and I think I'm just gonna spend almost all of my time from level 50-60 farming EXP and credits. I already spent levels 40-50 getting 5 star relics for my main team, getting all their traces to level 6, and pre-farming all of the ascension materials necessary to get both them and the characters I plan to use on my second team to level 70. I'll hold off on farming more relics, trace materials, and ascension materials until I reach level 60, since I don't plan on tackling Memory of Chaos until I'm at least level 60 anyways, so I may as well make the most of my time until then by hording EXP and credits while it's still the most efficient thing to farm.
I just got to 50, this guide is very helpful. The first thing I'll do is lvl 70 my DPS and their light cones and then upgrade some stat bonus traces.
Then I'm probably prioritizing leveling characters up and just settle for copium relics for the meantime.
You can also take your dps skill and ultimate traces etc if applicable to 7 or maybe 8 if you are looking to BIG invest for even more dmg but that costs a lot of mats.
Thank you! This helped a lot
Same as in Genshin, sweet spot was having 60/70(sup) or 70/80(DPS)(have in mind genshin has 90lvl cap while HSR only 80) characters and 6*/6/6(sup) 8*/8/8(dps) talents. *- many characters dont have benefits from lvlup basic attack both support and DPS because supports dont even use it in combat thats why till this day all my suppports is 1/8/8 while i can make them 9/9/9 in a second, and even dps still 8/8/8, i start to lvlup to lvl 9 or 10 only after 3 years of playing because i have nothing else to upgrade and i already beat hardest content 2.5 years ago and do it till this day without any problems. I was able to get 36stars in abyss even with lvl70 characters that was having lvl 3-5 skills. And i strongly believe that in HSR its more easy to do because even as f2p i already get to hardest content and on next week i will already get some stars. While in genshin it took 2 times more time to get to this point.
Great vid thanks.
Gotta love that Deck Edit Theme
So I accidentally was farming good value relics sets XD I started with Genius of Brilliant Stars for Seele. Currently working on two sets of Knight of Purity Palace and Band of Sizzling Thunder for Serval ^_^
I'm actually about to reach lvl 50 by tomorrow, and then this video shows up.
What great timing like what the heck.
half the comments are people saying this so the timing is not unusual. most people who started in the few days are at exactly this point, there's very little variation or room for different progression speed when everyone is limited by the stamina (or max number of stellar jade refreshes) system.
kinda like how everyone is running the exact same teams because there are so few units in the game
holy cow what perfect timing ! Reached 50!
Great video as always grim 💓 im at tl49 rn
Just hit lvl 50 today this is gonna be super helpful
Good tips! Farm relics, trace materials, ascending materials or whatever if you want to make progress in MoC, o/w farm golden Calyx at equilibrium level 4.
The reasoning becomes obvious if you reverse engineer what you will farm when you are at a higher equilibrium level. Say I farmed some crimson Calyx at EL4, if I ever needed to farm golden Calyx when I am at EL5, it's a loss, cz I would be better off switching them (i.e. doing the crimson at EL5 and the golden Calyx at EL4).
So reverse engineering this you would get maxed efficiency / output by doing the following: farm based on demand at EL6 (or above), farm only descending/trace materials at EL5, farm only gold and exp at EL4.
This also implies farming relics at EL3 is a wise move as it is the last chance to farm relics before we get EL6 w/o loss of efficiency. Well, this might be too late but should be good tips for new comers.
Wow I picked up on this as well. I realized golden calyx is gonna be my new home so I started farming relics the other day (currently tb48). I have a ton of fodder from simverse so I'm excited to see a dramatic improvement in my account.
Soooo farm gold calyx at EL4 (Lv50?), Crimson calyx at EL5, and based on demand/need on EL6? Did I get it rightttt?
@@yukiakabane8381 Yes, Right now you should be farming quantum set for qq/seele, and then wild wheat once thats done until 50.
Dont feel pressured to prefarm mats right now, be patient and youll have a much more polished account.
Also for relics, take what you get (correct main stats), dont try to make perfect builds, wait until your core 8 is lvl 70 with lvl 5 talent, then can go back and minmax relics.
@@quadcoregt1946 okayyy. Thanksss!
Does this still hold if you get bp resources? Also when should you spend fuel then? I'm currently tb 48, prefarmed a bunch of mats for seele ascension for EL4 before I saw this. So main stat relics at EL3, ascend level + lc at EL4, traces at EL5?
Great tips!
Just in time Grim! I just hit lvl 50 today :D
If have both seele and clara, the quantum set for the former and the dmg reduction set is quite good for a tank that doesnt give shields like clara as I dont use march in her team so the domain will be good in that case. Anyway, my luck in relics are horrible, just getting main stat is so difficult.
I don't think Clara should use defense set. It could be attack set also, but with defense as main stat
I would prefer normal dps stats but with that dmg reduction set because stacking dmg reduction have exponential effects, as well as the help of healing and especially the energy gain to maintain the taunt/dmg reduction buff on clara but make sure clara is faster than the healer to get the effect. Plus, I just required that little bit of survivability to match that of natasha beside her who is very tanky so cleave attacks killing clara but not natasha situation wouldnt happen. Anyway, I also like fleet of the ageless for the extra hp and total sum of 32% atk on the whole team to survive MoC.
In the long run weekly boss materials matters the least among all these resources according to my experiences from Genshin. 4:00
I just hit 50 today, great timing on the video lol
What TL level should you go from relics to pre farming for 60
The biggest problem for me is that there is no content left to do besides a few runs to spend your stamina
You can do the overworld and su farms if you want that keeps me busy and lots of progression.
Im confused, you said to level up traces to 6/8 + passives at the start then wild wheat set farming but later said to leave it all till you are 60 and just focus on the golden calyxes and getting characters to 70 instead since you aren't farming at full efficiency? which one?
For the healer set. I’d just lock the insane pieces with OP stats for healers, and salvage the rest.
Bout to hit tl 50 as a f2p. Crazy how he gets this vid out right b4 it
didnt realise that the calyxes max out when the others keep scaling. Definitely changes it a bit, I've been prefarming for all prior equilibrium levels but definitely wont for that last one
Great video like usual! Are you going to do any videos of your memory of chaos runs? Would love to see the team comps you use and how you play out some of these harder stages
Thanks I’m gonna be level 50 tomorrow I have the mats to immediately level jing ting bronya and seele to 70 rn and I have enough to max jings talents
Actually useful tips not like those other youtubers who just repeat the same generic stuff multiple times.
49 1/2 not using crystals on stamina. soo this guy came right at the best moment
hey grim, I have a question as well as a video idea I would like to see. can you talk about double dps, vs dps debuffer, vs dps buffer? Things like which is better, to run seele with welt, or seele with tingyun, or even seele with Jing yuan.
Hmmm will try.
Hey, Grim not sure if this is something you want to do, but when you get to the point where you feel it’s worth farming for you characters final gear it may be worth mention what ratio of ATK to CRIT you want in your stats. As in early game ATK is so much more accessible so obv everyone has too much and is hitting diminishing returns. This would be a interesting video imo as it will really give incite on which gear sets/ ornaments you may want. e.g. we know crit rate/crit damage should be 1/2(up to 100% crit rate) but how much atk over base do you want? Mathematically you want your (ATK% more than base) * 2.23 = crit rate % + crit damage %. That will give you the optimal ratio of atk to crit
I agree everyone knows when to stop with crit rate and dmg but we hear nobody talking about Atk and maybe even Def for tankers
I dont subscribe to “maximum attack” theory. Stats all have a specific value to each character based on the stats they already have and their kits or potential buffs therefor even if you have a lot of attack it still might be good to get more.
@@GrimroGacha except that’s not how the maths works. The more attack you have less relative improvement you get, it’s what people mean by diminishing returns. That same improvement if spent on the equivalent crit would be worth more damage than the attack. Taking the avg sub stat ratios actually tells you what is worth what 3.9% Atk/2.9% crit rate/ 5.8% crit damage is the ratio of stats you want for the most damage.
Crazy theory for those that lack Gepard/Bailu: Guard set on the entire team + Fire MC + New Life lightcone has the potential to keep the entire team alive without Natasha/March.
The 8% max HP heal per turn looks bad, but if you can somehow reduce damage intake to 24% of max HP per turn then that 8% heal has an effect similar to 33% damage reduction. Taking only 16% max HP per turn means that 8% heal is similar to 50% damage reduction. And if you can reduce damage intake to 8% of max HP or less, then you're invincible.
DMG RES is the opposite of DMG or ATK in that the more DMG RES you have the better it gets. So you won't see a significant improvement for using a damage set, while the Guard set's 8% DMG RES looks a lot better when stacked with Fire MC team buff and New Life lightcone.
I'm rank 41, and farming the Guard set once I hit 50 is my current plan unless I luck into Gepard/Bailu.
games like this typically make damage reduction stack with itself multiplicatively (e.g. 20% DR + 20% DR is 1*.8*.8 = 64% damage taken) so that it isn't possible to reach 100% DR (total immunity) from multiple sources, so i would double check the damage formula for that if you have not already.
DMG RES is a different multiplier than damage reduction. It doesn't add up like that. In this game, effects that reduce damage taken don't stack with similar effects to begin with (even with same wording). It's all multiplicative as far I have tested.
You never get to utopic numbers of damage mitigation like you suggested, not even close.
Some friends of mine have no additional defensive options either. But they still got some progress into MoC at Trailblazer 40.
@@ex_cathedra To be fair, it does stack like that in Genshin Impact. Still, he should have checked the facts before calculating a bunch of stuff only based on assumptions.
I noticed on the characters 3rd bonus ability it says ascension 6. Isnt that TL70? right now we are equilibrium 4 at TL50, am i missing something or we get a double equilibrium level up within 50-60?
Great Vid
Awesome guide . Very informative . I had a question . On healers and shielders . Which main stat would you suggest getting ?? I'm new to Honkai and just learning the ropes . 😅
Which T4 characters would be best to build for Memory of Chaos as f2p? From T5 I have Bronya and Clara only.
Thanks for this. I might reach TL 50 by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest, so this is really helpful.
Going to work on leveling up Seele and Sushang as my DPS. Hook as a third option since I didn't get Jing Yuan, so I need more coverage to counter elements instead of relying on Jing to carry my second team. Good thing I haven't farmed Wild Wheat yet because that was the set I was gonna go ham on when I reach 50 since it reminds me of Genshin's Gladiator where you can just slap it on anyone for free damage.
Unless you have the second healer (Bailu) or strong shielder (Gepard) invested for Chaos, I don't think it's efficient farming Wild Wheat to deal with Chaos. My second team (no healer) hardly gains victory in high stages of Chaos. I focus on farming character materials and quantum set for my main Seele team, and the guard set (dmg taken -8%) coming along with it will be for all characters in the second team (no healer). I don't think it will be a wise choice but that all I can come up with aiming for Chaos. Do you guys have any better idea to help me?
as a Bailuless and Gepardless, I just don't bother too much about Chaos. You could try with a Seele super nuke high risk (no healer), and a Natasha team on the other. Otherwise, just wait and chill until we get Luocha 😁
honestly i dont think youll get far without gepard or bailu. I dont think farming specific sets is going to change that. Roll fire mc + march 7th in 1 team and natasha in the second is probably best bet and your other characters need to hit enemies for strong weakness breaks.
But getting a tiny bit of extra damage on seele isnt going to help your other team win. You need universally good sets on 8 characters, just turns out that wild wheat is good on everything.
From what I see on the tooltips you can use Immersifiers as a Stamina battery if you want to have as much Stamina available as you hit that next Equilibrium level.
Simply turn Stamina into Immersifiers up to the cap of 8 (320 Stamina) and then consume them to replenish Stamina when needed. Just make sure to not overcap Immersifiers with the weekly SU rewards.
wait, you can turn immersifiers back into stamina???
You are only able to redeem immersifiers in the simulated universe, not anywhere else. This is an excellent strategy to bank stamina now to do on a higher sim universe level but otherwise is kinda pigeonholing your stamina.
@@tomyourfriendlyhagcollector no, you just use them in place of 40 stamina when redeeming for planar sets, but you can save up to 8 of them without time limit.
Prefarming for the main carry makes the next eq lvl such a breeze.. Everyone else just feels stronger when your carry hits like a truck
i wouldnt worry abt getting traces 6-8. takes too long and relics farming need to get started soon
Thats a very fair point.
Which simulated universe relics should we farm post 50? Whats the most team efficient? 3 or 6?
Thats tough it depends if you build speed or not on your dps so thats why I couldnt recommend anything definitely.
imma be farming exp and credits cause goddamn is it expensive, I've been farming for like 4 days only character exp and I still don't have enough to lvl a character from 70 to 80, like wth
I'm one of those who like reading / looking at information while listening. So an info graphic would be tremendous to digest / screen shot for reference. Perhaps as a TL:DR at the end you could maybe type a quick one up on notepad. I just find myself continuously going back 20secs to try to make sure i understand what it is you're saying and when you're saying it.
Will do my my best next time.
i have been saving my fuel and just today hit level 50. would you say it's safe to spend fuel now or should i hold off until i reach 60? i havent farmed relics yet so im thinking on spending it on them (im free to play and not too interested in hard pushing memory of chaos)
You said ascending (without leveling) from 60 cap to 70 is a big boost or am I mistaken?
When I looked at my stats they increased by around 3%
Just checking star rail station ascending seele grants 7.7% more base life going from 703 to 753. You also gain 6.8% more base attack which I personally think is pretty nice I guess if you factor in light cones and base attack and life from high level relics you could consider the boost less.
@@GrimroGacha Oh yes, I was looking at my total.
That said, I was thinking of leaving all supports at 60/60 but now that you mentioned the final special-trace unlock it seems impossible after all in the long run :)
I think farming wild wheat at the start is good since most characters use it but eventually it would be better to pivot to other domains
We get wild wheat pieces from echoes of war so over time you'd get a good pieces without using additional stamina since we have to farm echoes of war anyway
Farming wild wheat domain provides the most power short term but lower stamina efficiency over the long term
Agree. Imo focusing farming wild wheat now only matter for those that want to min max ASAP and get star on MoC. For f2p casual might as well farm the specific domain and just use whatever substat you got as long the mainstat match and just level it to 12-15 and continue the grind at next world level.
Problem with that is like what are you farming for? Just farming wild wheat is getting him 27/30 Memory of chaos stars, and it’s not ridiculous to assume that the power spike from just getting the last ascension passive will be enough to full clear. What will need the “Best in slot” relics?
3x echos a week is super slow for getting multiple people into 4 piece sets, I don't want to wait till august to do chaos runs
Outside of quantum im happy with my wheat sets for the next few months I will continue my wild wheat farming personally unless a new set is released.
this isn’t really true because wild wheat is still BIS on so many supports in the game, and supports make up a vast majority of any team comp. Even in the late game, until new sets come out, wild wheat is still super useful in the late game. The only real replacements you’d have to do are for your main dps’s, and even then, for most characters minus Seele, 2pc 2pc is generally barely under a full 4pc set for them- like the difference between hitting one or two better substat rolls.
I'm about to hit TL50 and I still haven't done a single relic run, and even despite that I'm not ready to level all of my main MoC characters.
Thanks you
Lets get it 💪
This was perfect, i’ll be at 50 in like 2 days
Man
They already earn money from gacha and battle pass
Why they want another cash from farming for our units?
240 TP a day are not enough for 1 unit
im still at 45, Feels like theres nothing to do outside of achievement farming rn
You could do the daily overworld and weekly simulated universe farms they are both a lot of free stuff