Can't believe I only just found this. This is gold. And a true representation of what Millwall really is about. I have been a Wall fan for 27 years. Love the club.
cabbie at the end summed it up for me with the Palace muggy ultras and what football has become,my old man took me to Highbury late 70s v Bolton wanderers, never looked back when I saw thst green Highbury pitch😍was at the fa cup 2-0game v millwall evil atmosphere thst day arsenal were at their peak firmwuse back then can remember getti g out of Finsbury Park seeing the pub on St Thomas's Road smashed was still at school at the time interesting day, the loud explosion at kick off then kicking off lower North Bank seeing 40 bald millwall grizzlies bring led out to the clock end, loved going to millwall old den proper football, gave up going when we left our home Highbury went to court for my club no regrets👍now living out in spain your club never leaves your heart no matter how far away or how far detached you felt, respect to you anyway 👍
Some nice memories there, and I am sure you could keep them coming for quite a while!! I am pleased that you picked up on that final anecdote, as many seem to miss that one. It was a great project, and I very much enjoyed being part of it, got to know a wide range of unique characters. I feel that the documentary is an honest representation, and I would like to believe that it helps bring about a better understanding of what Millwall is all about.
im a villa fan living in southern ireland now but i remember going to villa parl season 1976/77 league cup 5th rd villa at home too Millwall villa won 2-0 me my late dad and my school friend were in the old witton end with all the Millwall fans great crack i was only 15 this Millwall skinhead asked me out for a fight but the t5op boys told him too leave us alone no problems after that great Respect for Millwall fans hope too see yous in the Prem next season great Respect for skin heads as well im a 79 revivalist mod !! good luck too Millwall utv!
well done Anthony Lynch... you have the T shirt on I designed!.... you know this club has been so well supported by females for decades... some of us home and away since 1970....yet you haven't approached any for comment
Certainly a valid comment. The focus of the project was on the experiences of black Millwall fans, but I would very much have liked to include female Millwall supporters as well. But while I did approach, I didn't really get anywhere, and it was one of the main challenges of the project that many supporters (male, female, black, white) did not trust my motives, and therefore they decided not to take part.
Indeed, and it was very much the story of Tiny that inspired the project. I was glad to be able to include an interview with his mate, Norman Garcia, as well.
@@olejensen970 Nice one! What inspired you to make the film? It's really well put together, you get a real sense of the Millwall humour and a unseen side of The Lions fans many wouldn't have a clue about.
@@phillloyd9978 I am a social researcher, and I have been doing fieldwork in this part of South London for a number of years now, but it was not until I came across an article about Tiny in Southwark News that I started thinking about putting together the project that eventually became 'Black Millwall' - nothing like a short title that can make people stop up and listen. I was lucky, as well, that Bede House was happy to host the project, and The Lottery found it worth funding. For more detail about the actual project that the documentary is part of, do have a look at bedehouse.org.uk/millwalls-changing-communities-research-project/
@@olejensen970 Thanks for replying. That's great, thought provoking subject and gracefully executed documentary. I thoroughly enjoyed it and forwarded to everyone I thought would like to watch. 👍🦁
So sorry to hear about Phil passing away. It was an honour and a pleasure to meet him, and I hope that our documentary managed to provide some recognition to the contribution made by him and Trevor Lee. RIP
@@househunting9716 Thanks for your kind words. I've got an audio-recorded interview with Phil, from summer 2017. If you give me your email address, I will send it to you. Ole
The, at times, unearned clemency aside - I think most of these guys are just racist; as has recently been shown, "being black and being Millwall" is on the condition that they (the black fans) are sufficiently obsequious - this is an interesting insight...
I am glad you find the documentary 'an interesting insight'. That said, one of the ambitions behind the documentary was to provide an understanding that went beyond the popular stereotype of Millwall fans as racist hooligans. Historically, being a black Millwall fan involved witnessing racist behaviour and targeting the opposition - players and fans - using racist chants. But it is also a story of how 'doing football' - as in playing, talking about, dreaming about - was very much part of a South London childhood, eventually (maybe) leading to The Den. Personally, I am a relative newcomer, but I have been to a good handful matches at The Den, went to different parts of the stands, but never experienced any racist chanting. What happened last Saturday can be interpreted in many ways. I find it saddening, as the booing, once again, undermines what the club has been attempting to do for many years. But the booing does, absolutely, not represent all Millwall fans. I could go on for a while, but will leave it for now.
@@olejensen970 I've no doubt they were cordial to you, however, that doesn't negate the plethora of racist conduct Millwall fans are guilty of. I'd add that one of the black fans in your film was recently filmed singing about how BLM "take it up the ass," to the approving laughter of his white audience.
@@SacClass650 I haven't seen the footage, though I do have a quite good idea of who you might be referring to. But exactly which point are you making here? Once more, I'd disagree with the plethora (abundance) of racist conduct you are referring to. It doesn't reflect my experience, and I think there is a lot of truth to Reg Burr's claim, from back in 1993, that 'Millwall are a convenient coat-peg upon which football hangs all its evils'. btw, when did you last go down The Den?
Everyone got stick down the Wall, to say black players were targeted is a myth. No one was immune. It was usually strikers that were abused as they were seen as a threat, but it could be anyone. The media only highlighted abuse, when it's a black player (even booing), ignoring the fact other opposition black player who were not.. .. The worst abuse I've witnessed were : Shilton, Norman, Birch, I Wright. Fleck, Ince, Crouch, Rix, David Jones, Speedie, K Dixon, L Hughes to name a few. Gascoigne & Merson got stick but won the crowd over with there skills
@@Mute040404 , that sort of resonates with the memories expressed in the oral history interviews. I also think there is something deep-rooted in the wish to give big names a bloody nose, or certainly a good ear-full. 2-3 years ago Millwall fans were certainly getting ready to 'welcoming' John Terry to The Den.........
Can't believe I only just found this. This is gold. And a true representation of what Millwall really is about. I have been a Wall fan for 27 years. Love the club.
Glad you enjoyed it. Our intention was certainly to give an honest representation, 'warts and all', as someone put it
cabbie at the end summed it up for me with the Palace muggy ultras and what football has become,my old man took me to Highbury late 70s v Bolton wanderers, never looked back when I saw thst green Highbury pitch😍was at the fa cup 2-0game v millwall evil atmosphere thst day arsenal were at their peak firmwuse back then can remember getti g out of Finsbury Park seeing the pub on St Thomas's Road smashed was still at school at the time interesting day, the loud explosion at kick off then kicking off lower North Bank seeing 40 bald millwall grizzlies bring led out to the clock end, loved going to millwall old den proper football, gave up going when we left our home Highbury went to court for my club no regrets👍now living out in spain your club never leaves your heart no matter how far away or how far detached you felt, respect to you anyway 👍
Some nice memories there, and I am sure you could keep them coming for quite a while!! I am pleased that you picked up on that final anecdote, as many seem to miss that one.
It was a great project, and I very much enjoyed being part of it, got to know a wide range of unique characters. I feel that the documentary is an honest representation, and I would like to believe that it helps bring about a better understanding of what Millwall is all about.
This film is fantastic, cant believe the legend Ron Bell is in this, hes the reason me, a few close friends and our sons are millwall fans to this day
Thanks for the film sir...come on walllll..r.i.p THE GREATEST TINY...KAASSPPIISH🇬🇧🇯🇲❤️
Glad you liked the film. Unfortunately, I never met Tiny - did you?
Went to my first game in 1975 stood in the Halfway .
Loved it ever since.
Remember all the old faces at the Den
Hope our documentary did justice to your memories? It was certainly a pleasure to hear the old fans share their experiences.
Did u take part In racist abuse of players / say no 😂😂😂😂pls
RIP Tiny.
What a Brilliant doc. Good job.
im a villa fan living in southern ireland now but i remember going to villa parl season 1976/77 league cup 5th rd villa at home too Millwall villa won 2-0 me my late dad and my school friend were in the old witton end with all the Millwall fans great crack i was only 15 this Millwall skinhead asked me out for a fight but the t5op boys told him too leave us alone no problems after that great Respect for Millwall fans hope too see yous in the Prem next season great Respect for skin heads as well im a 79 revivalist mod !! good luck too Millwall utv!
well done Anthony Lynch... you have the T shirt on I designed!.... you know this club has been so well supported by females for decades... some of us home and away since 1970....yet you haven't approached any for comment
Certainly a valid comment. The focus of the project was on the experiences of black Millwall fans, but I would very much have liked to include female Millwall supporters as well. But while I did approach, I didn't really get anywhere, and it was one of the main challenges of the project that many supporters (male, female, black, white) did not trust my motives, and therefore they decided not to take part.
Beautiful doc!!! Thanks! To Northen italian ❤
has anyone got a link or remember the name of the documentary that featured a sunday league team who played the last game at cbl
Milldean FC. Part 1.
“Tiny” Millwall legend
Indeed, and it was very much the story of Tiny that inspired the project. I was glad to be able to include an interview with his mate, Norman Garcia, as well.
@@olejensen970 I remembered having a drink with Tiny and F groom in the adam and eve in Peckham back in the late 60s early 70s
Is this available on dvd ?
Really interesting film, well done.
Thanks a lot, it has generally been well received, and I am glad you enjoyed it.
@@olejensen970 Nice one! What inspired you to make the film? It's really well put together, you get a real sense of the Millwall humour and a unseen side of The Lions fans many wouldn't have a clue about.
@@phillloyd9978 I am a social researcher, and I have been doing fieldwork in this part of South London for a number of years now, but it was not until I came across an article about Tiny in Southwark News that I started thinking about putting together the project that eventually became 'Black Millwall' - nothing like a short title that can make people stop up and listen. I was lucky, as well, that Bede House was happy to host the project, and The Lottery found it worth funding. For more detail about the actual project that the documentary is part of, do have a look at bedehouse.org.uk/millwalls-changing-communities-research-project/
@@olejensen970 Thanks for replying. That's great, thought provoking subject and gracefully executed documentary. I thoroughly enjoyed it and forwarded to everyone I thought would like to watch. 👍🦁
Proper Londoners whatever race or skin colour i hate it when the papers try to make out that football hooligans are racist
Was the mascot drunk?
Yes. Please email your address to admin@bedehouse.org and we'll send a copy.
27:36 All right Steve Urkel
Phil Walker Rest In Peace
So sorry to hear about Phil passing away. It was an honour and a pleasure to meet him, and I hope that our documentary managed to provide some recognition to the contribution made by him and Trevor Lee. RIP
@@olejensen970 o my, this documentary is everything. So special. Thank you so much, for including dad in your vision.
@@househunting9716 Thanks for your kind words. I've got an audio-recorded interview with Phil, from summer 2017. If you give me your email address, I will send it to you. Ole
@@olejensen970 sent you an email. You messaged the site -- didn’t you xxx
great player seen him at villa park rip total respect from a villa fan
Ashame you had to bring all your drinking buddies to take on Luton though in 85
There wasn’t black fans at any club in the mid 70s there are. Luna with worse reps for racism then millwall
There are clubs
Hardly any, and certainly easy to miss. I know Norman Garcia started going in 1967, Herman Ouseley probably a bit earlier.
The, at times, unearned clemency aside - I think most of these guys are just racist; as has recently been shown, "being black and being Millwall" is on the condition that they (the black fans) are sufficiently obsequious - this is an interesting insight...
I am glad you find the documentary 'an interesting insight'. That said, one of the ambitions behind the documentary was to provide an understanding that went beyond the popular stereotype of Millwall fans as racist hooligans. Historically, being a black Millwall fan involved witnessing racist behaviour and targeting the opposition - players and fans - using racist chants. But it is also a story of how 'doing football' - as in playing, talking about, dreaming about - was very much part of a South London childhood, eventually (maybe) leading to The Den.
Personally, I am a relative newcomer, but I have been to a good handful matches at The Den, went to different parts of the stands, but never experienced any racist chanting.
What happened last Saturday can be interpreted in many ways. I find it saddening, as the booing, once again, undermines what the club has been attempting to do for many years. But the booing does, absolutely, not represent all Millwall fans.
I could go on for a while, but will leave it for now.
@@olejensen970 I've no doubt they were cordial to you, however, that doesn't negate the plethora of racist conduct Millwall fans are guilty of. I'd add that one of the black fans in your film was recently filmed singing about how BLM "take it up the ass," to the approving laughter of his white audience.
@@SacClass650 I haven't seen the footage, though I do have a quite good idea of who you might be referring to. But exactly which point are you making here?
Once more, I'd disagree with the plethora (abundance) of racist conduct you are referring to. It doesn't reflect my experience, and I think there is a lot of truth to Reg Burr's claim, from back in 1993, that 'Millwall are a convenient coat-peg upon which football hangs all its evils'.
btw, when did you last go down The Den?
Everyone got stick down the Wall, to say black players were targeted is a myth. No one was immune. It was usually strikers that were abused as they were seen as a threat, but it could be anyone. The media only highlighted abuse, when it's a black player (even booing), ignoring the fact other opposition black player who were not.. .. The worst abuse I've witnessed were : Shilton, Norman, Birch, I Wright. Fleck, Ince, Crouch, Rix, David Jones, Speedie, K Dixon, L Hughes to name a few. Gascoigne & Merson got stick but won the crowd over with there skills
@@Mute040404 , that sort of resonates with the memories expressed in the oral history interviews. I also think there is something deep-rooted in the wish to give big names a bloody nose, or certainly a good ear-full. 2-3 years ago Millwall fans were certainly getting ready to 'welcoming' John Terry to The Den.........
MILLWALL, UGH, so tired of being a Rogue Lion in the States, I want to ruck with youz, I need to ruck with my family
You need to remember to take your
Meds on a regular basis ..