All glories to the vaishnavas! it really inspires young FOLKs to hear such struggles that our senior devotees took, and it solidifies our faith in the institution of ISKCON Bangalore and group of temples. I submissively accept the beautiful authority system (FOLK and hierarchy) which is in place - continuing the preaching and spreading the glories of Guru and Krishna and I aspire to be the servant of the vaishnavas who are sincerely serving the only true Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON movement!
Can't express how Wonderful it is to hear from such an exalted devotee!!! So wonderful Realizations of HG Suvyakta Narasimha prabhuji... Srila Prabhupada ki Jayy! 🙇🙇
I'm impressed by the structured organizational ethics and etiquette of ISKCON Bangalore. The training of missionaries in this organization sets a standard that I find unmatched by any other.
Hare Krishna Prabhu, Dandavats. Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I'm from folk mysore and I'm conveying my heartfelt gratefulness & gratitude's for conducting this interview with Prabhu and asking straight which cleared so much to us, folks. It's was high time that we all wanted to hear openly, as it is truth and in this podcast it was made happen very nicely. Thank you once again Prabhu. Your Servant, Dhanush Raj
I am very much fortunate to work with Suvyakta Prabhu in VCM and Akshaya Patra under his guidance. Very True and Real Prabhu I have met. He is Guru for me
Hare Krishna Prabhuji - Thank you very much for such wonderful talk with senior vaishnava. Please continue to create such videos with other Senior Vaishnavas as well. This will surely inspire bring us closer to Srila Prabhupada! Thank you very much Prabhuji!
Hare Krishna Prabhu Prabhu this is my eye opener video Thank u so much prabhu Prabhu pls keep continuing to make this type of videos Prabhu pls make the same type of videos with CPP, stotakrishna Maharaj and amitasana prabhu Pls prabhu Jai prabhupad
Despite being a highly educated person, he leads a devotional life. As a result, many people of the society and the state will be benefited by it. Nowadays highly educated people earn money by cheating common people. But if all highly educated people like him try to become devotees of God then peace and order will be restored in the society and people will not be harassed. Thanks to those who are trying to convert people especially highly educated people by preaching the word of God.🇧🇩♥️Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩
All glories to Srila Prabhupada's Ritvik devotees. Without fail, they all glorify our Srila Prabhupada and never fail to give our Srila Prabhupada all the credit.
And they always have Srila Prabhupada's original books . Thanks for increasing our implicit faith in the power of being surrendered to Srila Prabhupada!
Hare Krishna Rasa Parayana Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada Firstly, thank you so much for bringing out these much needed podcasts with senior Vaishnava leaders of our group. First with HH Stoka Maharaj, then with HG Madhu Pandit Prabhu , HG Vyomapada Prabhu and now with HG Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu. Timestamp 1:22:50 to 1:27:20, where Prabhu explains about the miraculous growth of vegetation in the Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir campus and connects it to Kunti Maharani's prayer SB 1.8.40 is revealing and truly amazing. timestamp 1:32:38: 1:46:55, Prabhu's miraculous recovery by the grace of Shrila Prabhupada and Shri Krishna is really hope giving.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandavat Pranam All glories to Srila Prabhupada Throughout the talk I was getting goosebumps....mercy of Radharani and Krishna is very evident Thankyou Prabhuji for sharing such wonderful events Thankyou Ys
I am not related to ISKCON but as a sanatani and as a Sri Vaishnava I can say that this ' ritwik ' system has no parallels in the entire history of sanatan and vaishnava parampara . When a guru is physically there he can ask his ritwiks to initiate on his behalf but this simply cant continue long after the passing away of the guru . There is a reason why we use the term " Guru Parampara " , There is a lineage of Guru and his/her sishyas and then the sishyas are given the guru gaddi and the process starts again . I can understand if Bangalore temple had issues with certain individuals in the GBC who were not spiritually advanced enough to take the responsibility of a Guru but to say that in Vedic sanatan system we can obliterate the old system of Guru Parampara and stop at one guru is anti vedic . No other sampradaya of sanatan dharma follows such a practice . Then why just Prabhupad ? People can initiate others in the name of great sages like Vasishtha , Yagyavalka Vyasadeva and so many others . If both these groups within Srila Prabhupad's organization fail to see anyone worthy to take on the position of a Guru then there is something wrong with their sadhna . Almost 50 years after the passing away of the Acharya there is nobody worthy enough to take his place ...I know Prabhupada did not specify anyone to take his Guru Gaddi but that was a long time back and most of his direct disciples are no more and soon the rest will also follow but if even now there is no worthy individual to take on the position of Acharya then there is something wrong within the whole system .
Such a hypocritical situation has arisen everywhere. But if no one is qualified to be a guru, then this whole sect ends here by breaking up. But even in ISKCON there are some sincere Gurus who have no stigma attached to them. The only difference is that they are not very famous.
An Acharya is empowered by Krishna. What he does for a certain time, place and circumstance, need not have any precedent in the Sanatana history. One has to simply follow the instructions of the Acharya to attain Krishna. Those are doing it in ISKCON Bangalore are seeing the wonderful results of the system set up by Srila Prabhupada and the fool proof way in which it is working. There is no need for others, who are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada to comment on Srila Prabhupäda's actions. Nor can such persons understand the deep import and purpose behind Srila Prabhupada's actions. "Judge the action by the result". ISKCON Bangalore and its affiliated Temples' success in spreading Krishna consciousness is proof of the Ritvik system's authenticity.
@@mukundamadhavadasa8471 well the same can be said about the original ISKCON . Here in the USA ISKCON has been hugely successful and spreading the light of Sanatan Dharma and Vaishnava ideals and in the past decade their devotees have increased many fold ..Should one not see that as success ? ..Also as a Sanatani and a Vaishnava I have every right to comment on the practices of a sanatani Vaishnava organization ...OR DO YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE Banglore temple to be outside the fold of Sanatan Dharma and Vaishnava family ? Also there are quiet some confusion about what Srila Prabhupada wanted . In some of the very last letters he wrote it seems he wanted his direct disciple to make sishyas of their own .
First of all Prabhu, a true Vaishnava never claims himself as a Vaishnava. Seome neophytes like us have no right to judge the activities of the Pure Devotee . Just like Mudhas and less intelligent people cannot understand the activities of the Supreme Lord, we also can never understand how a pure devotee and his energy works. Srila Prabhupada has initiated many unique trends which may not be easily acceptable by the orthodox Brahmanas . Like giving second initiations to matajis and giving them the right to enter the altar and do pujari seva. As a sannyasi he was not supposed to even attend the marriage ceremony, yet he himself conducted the marriage ceremony of his disciples. The whole point is that Empowered Acharyas can change the rules and regulations According to Desha Kala, Patra i.e. Time ,place and circumstances. So there is nothing extraordinary in him creating a new system of ritwik initiations. This ritwik system was prevalent during Srila Prabhupada's Time as well. Why do you want to limit Srila Prabhupada to the body. He is transcendental and is very much available for all of us like he was during his physical presence. All the followers of the Ritwik System feel his presence and personal guidance in our daily lives. There is no doubt about it.
@@ShrilaPrabhupadno need to breakup . Simply follow instructions of HDG ACBSP and you will be able to advance in Krsna consciousness swiftly. It is a very simple process.
Hare Krishna Dandwat Pranam to Every devotee of Hkm I am very blessed that I seen this podcast Thank you everyone I was loosing faith But now I know Prabhupada is the only one 🙇🏻♂️❤️ Madhu pandit Prabhu ki Jai🙇🏻♂️ Srila Prabhupada’s iskcon ki Jai🙇🏻♂️ Hare Krishna movement ki Jai 🙇🏻♂️
Dandavat pranam Narmsimha prabhu.. it is eye opening conversations.. fact remains crystal clear.. truth shines so do your guru.. I would love to concentrate on teaching more from Narsimha prabhu.. all glories to Bakti vedanta saraswati swami prabhupad.. also to Iskon Bangalore aacharya 🙏🙏
Excellent Responses. Faith in Srila Prabhupada as the eternal Initiating Acharya of ISKCON is the base for any progress in Bakthi. There is no other way to Golok apart from the Hare Krishna Movement with Srila Prabhupada as the Caption.
Pardon my ignorence...🙏It's a simple in my small thinking ... HG Srila Prabhupada is Diksha Guru (always)and senior disciples may act as Siksha Guru… Siksha Guru will help us on day by day duties and offer Diksha through Prabhpada Ji with his grace as well. Hare Krishna
Exactly, you have captured the point and the spirit, Prabhu! "Essential truth spoken concisely is true eloquence" (Chaitanya Charitamrta Adi lila 1.105)
So does this mean no one in Iskcon can become Guru? Also Srila Prabhupada lectured that one must accept a living Guru. So how does that fit with these alternative presentations in this video.?
Not true, come and see for yourself... Do you have any example to substantiate any non Indian devotees not being allowed in ISKCON Bangalore or our group of temples?
Hare Krishna! Anyone know if the ritvik gbc publishes resolutions or have a place where they share what was discussed in the meetings? Also, are some comments being deleted?
Ritvik is a serious deviation. Bangalore group of temples is constructing big big structures, iskcon is building temples Within the hearts of millions . This is the difference. Your business won't last longer .
Everyone is free to preach Srila Prabhupada's message and spread his mission. HKM's policy is not to criticize unnecessarily but preach to the innocent souls and bring them to the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet.
Thats exactly the point. Guru parampara consists of all Pure and exalted Vaishnava. It's not for Neophytes and ordinary conditioned souls. We are already in the mainstream. You join us and take shelter of the right person.
Any living being irrespective of his status can seek a Guru. It is the Guru who takes a neophyte out of the darkness. Please throw some light, who is the right person?
I didn't understand where in the conversation is there any denouncing of Guru Parampara! Rather, Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu is explaining how that pure Guru Parampara which is the core of Sanatana Dharma has been contaminated, as the July 9 letter had been hidden and later misinterpreted and the actual Guru Parampara has never been implemented in ISKCON today. The results of following Srila Prabhuppada's desire to continue Guru Parampara is evident to the devotees who are following this system. We have no fear of a 'guru' fall down, because we surrender to the Guru who never falls down-Srila Prabhupada!
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 you have any other evidence? Okay even if we follow the letter , I say ISKCON still follows it and you don't. Can you prove this statement wrong? Okay have you met any Ritviks Mentioned by Srila Prabhupada? Have you taken diksha from any Ritviks mentioned by Prabhupada? If no, then the conversation is over. First of all, Ritvik system is followed when Guru is alive and he accepts disciple. Even if we take Ritvik System as still valid till now ,Ritvik appointed by Srila Prabhupada can appoint others after them. Have you been appointed?
It's just a False Ego that "we deserve Prabhupada and nothing lower than that. I am great and I will accept only the greatest that is Srila Prabhupada. All others are fallen , only I am greatest (another pre assumption) . They don't deserve me ....." But they don't understand a simple analogy, "Being Servant of The Servant of the Servant of Krishna."taught by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Actually it's all money game prabhu, if their money is stopped they will leave HKM or the stolen name "ISKCON Banglore". But one thing they cannot Understand that "what will happen after death?" We have an answer that "Prabhupada we unqualified were trying to serve your servants" but what answer do they have? "Prabhupada we were telling that all your servants are Fallen and finding faults in them, you don't know how to train them enough to understand instructions and follow them!?" Really?!
Not just his mind, the podcast is clearing all the interested sincere minds that following the July 9, 1977 directive of Srila Prabhupada is the only valid thing to do in the institution of ISKCON! Hare Krishna!
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 why clearing do you still have doubts, if so why to accept diksha........ Clearing itself shows that their minds are not completely cleared.........
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 that's very good intention of urs........... His Divine Grace always says that cheaters will go to cheaters....... So with this one can easily say if someone wants to get cheated he will get cheaters. Hare krishna
Hare Krishna please don't make any corrections or comments regarding ritvik and guru issue because anything happened with out the knowledge of the supreme lord Krishna so let's practice Krishna consciousness with out disagree ment each other Iskcon is one institute started by srila Prabhupada please coperate don't fight for silly issues all are son's of lord Krishna each individual has independent to select ritvik or living guru anyway we pray to srila Prabhupada take is movement to another 10000 years please no more disagreement Tq
@@kirr4The very basis of all your arguments in the court was that ISKCON BANGLORE devotees are after property and for power they are doing this. Why you are running away now. Accept it, we are ready to surrender everything to you. Our only request is to let us follow instructions of HDG ACBSP. All your false claims have been defeated.
@@kirr4 can you please mention how it is cleverly twisted? To ask that in all the temples that have been started after ISKCONBangalore decided to accept only Srila Prabhupada as the diksha guru, should be allowed to follow this system even after handing over the administration to the hands of ISKCON bureau/GBC, is as simple and straightforward as possible! Where is the twist other than in the minds of those who want to hold on to usurped positions although unqualified to hold such an unauthorised position of diksha guru against the wishes of Srila Prabhupada? If the dispute is apparently of the property, we have offered to hand over not just ISKCONBangalore but all the other temples that have come up thereafter from our preaching to the ISKCON bureau and GBC, yet they're not ready to accept anyone to take direct shelter of Srila Prabhupada! The only disagreement as disciples of Srila Prabhupada we have, is that nobody should usurp Srila Prabhupada's rightful position as the sole initiating spiritual master, diksha guru in Iskcon.
I have just finished entire podcast one straight question to prabhu is if His Divine Grace wants to be a Diksha guru for ten thousand years.... He would have stated very directly and clearly that I will be the ONLY diksha guru for ten thousand years............ He was very clear in his plans in between some people poped up suddenly and brought this ritvik issue........ If His Divine Grace listens to this podcast he would be very much suprised to know how the speaker was able to exactly grasped the thinking of prabhupad ji as it is........ Maybe in that prabhu might have blessed with riddhi siddi to know the mind of his guru who has already left the planet physically....... Coming to rasparayan prabhu it appears that he is simply clearing all the doubts of the brahmacharies of HKM by quoting the opposite party name....... If anyone says anything about them they are opposite party if by chance MPP prabhu says there's some mistakes in current system of ritvit issuess they say MPP prabhu is opposite party.......
Hare Krishna Prabhu, I think it is amply clear in July 9, 1977 letter that His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada wanted the system of initiations as He has described in the July 9 letter to continue henceforward in his institution of ISKCON. Of course he says henceforward and not any specific number as to 10,000 years or whatever. Even Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura didn't clearly appoint anyone as guru but told them to make a GBC, but the devotees at Gaudiya Matha didn't do so and as a result, Srila Prabhupada says they disobeyed their Guru Maharaja. But please carefully note, Srila Prabhupada never became a guru or acharya within Gaudiya Matha but started his own institution called ISKCON where He is the Founder Acharya, but He credits all his success to His Guru Maharaja Bhaktisiddhanta Sawasvati Thakura. Now, as the Founder Acharya of ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada has decided the system of initiation in his institution after his physical departure, through Julu 9, 1977. Now, if anyone thinks they are qualified and have received blessings and order of Srila Prabhupada to initiate and be the next Guru/Acharya, they can be one, by starting their own institution, like Srila Prabhupada did, and credit their success to Srila Prabhupada. But within ISKCON institution according to July 9, 1977 letter, which is the last instruction on this mater, has no provision to have any other gurus. Hence, what we are currently following in ISKCON Bangalore and HKM group of temples is exactly what Srila Prabhupada decided for ISKCON. Now, as some would turn around and say that none of our devotees names are in the list of 11 representatives mentioned by Srila Prabhupada in July 9, 1977 letter, and hence our system is farce, it is just impractical to think this way. Do you believe that after these 11 people are no more ISKCON institution cannot hold any initiations and recruit new devotees and Srila Prabhupada cannot accept new disciples anymore? The 11 at that time were just those who were practically managing and available, and as in July 7 conversation, Srila Prabhupada makes it amply clear that it was just a matter of practicality to be a ritvik, whoever is the nearest can do this service. Hence, in the current scenario, we have our senior devotees who have taken up this responsibility. Ritviks have no special duties like a Guru, and in fact in our system, the initiate doesn't even get to know which devotee was the ritvik who chanted on his beads and chose his spiritual name, so that there is no apparent sentiment attached in his/her mind about the 'ritvik', which is unnecessary. Ever disciple in ISKCON must have unadulterated Guru Bhakti only to Srila Prabhupada and we are doing our best to promote this in our institution and finding the results. We have found this practical and implement it, and do not wish to sit and over-analyze and criticise or find faults but engage in positive preaching to build Srila Prabhupada's institution and to assist Srila Prabhupada to rescue conditioned souls from clutches of Maya. Lord Krishna says, 'For a doubting soul there is neither peace in this life, nor the next.' We are no way qualified to test Srila Prabhupada as our Guru or not, we have simply been blessed by His Causeless Mercy to be accepted as His disciple. At the same time, we aren't sentimentally accepting Srila Prabhupada as our Guru, He has volumes of philosophy and practical reasons to show that He is the only fit person to be accepted as the sole diksha guru and acharya for the conditioned souls of this Kali Yuga. If you choose to be confused and criticize and protest, it is your free will, but we are happy to receive Srila Prabhupada's mercy and march on, following His footsteps, back to Godhead. Hare Krishna!
On this subject in July 7, 1977 room conversation while listing the names of those who will perform duties of a ritvik, Srila Prabhupada's final words on the matter before the letter got drafted is as follows: "Prabhupäda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right... That will depend on discretion." It means that these 11 devotees were not the only ones to perform these duties, nor will be perpetually there to perform these duties, and on their departure the ritvik system of initiation would cease to exist. If that would be so, Srila Prabhupada wouldn't mention in his will, as follows: "The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of the death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) executive directors acting at one time." This clearly means that to implement Srila Prabhupada's will in ISKCON institution Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples must continue to exist beyond those mentioned in the will at that time. So the argument that there can be no ritviks beyond the 11 mentioned in July 9, 1977 directive is meaningless. In any case, instead of using 'discretion' and adding new initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada to act as ritviks, what is the positive alternative? to speculate and generate new systems and cause confusion and chaos? In our institution we have ample clarity, no chaos, no confusion on this subject, and it is by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, not because of any mental speculation. So, one can continue to question and criticize but by Srila Prabhupada's mercy this institution will only grow.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 hare krishna prabhu thanks for taking out so much time for replying to me, in ur entire reply there's no where mention about my doubt........ Is there any direct instructions or letter which is duly signed by His Divine Grace stating that he will be the ONLY diksha guru......... If prabhupad ji intention is that he would have mentioned it clearly directly but why it's not there...... That's my doubt , do you think that prabhupad is being checked by demon Tamal at his last days..... As HKM group is claiming that all GBC gurus are self oppointed gurus because they don't have any written letter to become diksha guru........ How about you where the letter for you to act as ritviks can't you be called as self appointed ritviks............ Do you think that His Divine Grace is not capable of making atleast few pure devotees where they are able to give diksha and deliver their disciples...... How much sin you want to transfer to His Divine Grace by giving diksha on behalf of him , as mahaprabhu clearly states to his followers not to make too many disciples.......,. I have worked with ur group very closely compared with Fiskcon your is far far better I won't deny it, it's a open fact but in this issue I have some confusion🤔, His Divine Grace clearly instructed us not to leave iskcon which you have done against his will if some theives will invade ur home will you run away from it or u will fight for ur beloved ones...... His Divine Grace says ISKCON is his body these Fiskcon rouges are damaging the body of prabhupad ji as a follower of prabhupad ji won't you think that it's ur responsibility to fight for his own stated mission ISKCON, insted of fighting simply compromised with them let's not fight openly you keep quite we keep quite, is this is not the deal HKM is having with Fiskcon bogus gurus.......... According to the deal the joker of Fiskcon made to apologize to MPP and CPP.......... Now you openly says your the only one who are sincerely following His Divine Grace............. First of all self scrutinize ur self weather your truly following his Divine Grace or not...... U know pretty well that ur not you have actually admitted earlier in ur comments then if you are also not following then what is the difference between you and them....... Same.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 very proudly your saying that we are practical and getting the results, was that results are in line with His Divine Grace instructions...?
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 when the matter comes to fare discussion you should reply point to point as your sincear followers of His Divine Grace you should reply.... No one is simply sitting, over analyzing or critizing Or fault finding...., His Divine Grace says if you call a theif as a theif it's not an offence similarly there are the doubt s so explain them......... As you have actively participating in this discussion shows how much busy you must be in saving the jivas from the clutches of maya it clearly evident ........
If someone is suffering from illness two things we should consider one is maybe krishna is kindly taking away my karma in vrindavan very fastly other is that maybe I might have committed an offence, second way of thinking is always happens with advanced devotees they always thinks like that but prabhu he himself contradicts here...... Funny thing is that ss its radhika s mercy lemme finish by staying in vrindavan the holy dham , but prabhu as he' s having position moved to hill station outside dham....... Great......
A person who simply accepted thy ritvit issue without any questions to the authority can easily speculate about prabhupad plans and radhika plans in vraj......As Divine Grace instructs us that one should test the spiritual master at least one year before taking diksha............ Not only that one can easily say that prabhu is simply and quickly believing some brajwasi said that poision of kaliya is spread over kilometers then how come the area around the kalighat like iskcon goshaala, madan ter which are having huge huge big trees of years of age......... So there's no poision over there........ Kuch bhi 😂😂😅
You seem to be looking into the hearts and minds of devotees and deciding that they have accepted Srila Prabhupada's system of initiation without sufficient introspection, questions, debate and discussions. If there is a positive alternative to the July 9, 1977 directive by Srila Prabhupada, please indicate. As to the poison of kaliya not affecting the other trees near Kaliya ghat etc, what is the point you are trying to make? So do you mention that it is not an ample reason to think, believe and be grateful to the mercy of Sri Sri Radha Vrindavanchandra that Their divine appearance has transformed an erstwhile dry region into a lush green and fertile land? Why do we have to find faults and over-analyze and criticise everything? By blessing of Krishna, of course even the trees at Kaliya ghat, Madan ter and ISKCON goshala have been unaffected by the poison of Kaliya, which is quite possible. What is so surprising in it? The surprising fact in the land of VCM is that nothing grew there before the deities were installed but after Sri Sri Radha Vrindavanchandra mercifully descended there, the land is transformed... Matlab, protest, criticism and fault-finding ke liye kuch bhi? 😂😂😂
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 When he understood that the water of the Yamunā was being polluted by the black serpent Kāliya, Lord Kṛṣṇa took action against him and made him leave the Yamunā and go elsewhere, and thus the water became purified --- chapter 16 subduing kaliya. Here His Divine Grace clearly said that water become purifed now you don't speculate...... Just to support ur speculation and ur speculative authority kuch bhi wah 😂 bhai wah....... Kutch to socho...... Now you even find fault with prabhupad ji statement to support ur so called authority
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 Anyone who hears the narration of the Kāliya serpent and his punishment will need fear no more the envious activities of snakes. The Lord also declared, “If one takes a bath in the Kāliya lake, where My cowherd boyfriends and I have bathed, or if one fasts for a day and offers oblations to the forefathers from the water of this lake, he will be relieved from all kinds of sinful reactions.”one more statement from prabhupad ji now start speculate again....... There one prabhu heard from one brajwasi stating that because of kaliya no trees nothing in this field he simply took it As It is and very openly Authoritatively stating publicly on social media which is totally against the His Divine Grace statement s........ Kutch bhi..... Kutch bhi ........ Seems ur guys are totally busy in cooking and serving the prasaad to the temple visiting devotees and offcourse definitely congregation devotees too..... First do the necessary what His Divine Grace asked you to do...... I was ur congregation I was made to take prasad which is cooked by hired chefs...... U even can't provide prasaad to the congregation devotees what to speak of out side visitors........ Hkm thinks only temple brahmacharies are devotees and outside devotees are fallen which is totally against prabhupad ji instructions........ As long as you won't follow His Divine Grace instructions you are nowhere......... That's the only fact.
@@kirr4 arey, we aren't finding fault with Srila Prabhupada's statement. We are simply trying to appreciate the fact that the descent of Their Lordships Sri Sri Radha Vrindavan Chandra converted an erstwhile barren land into fertile one I don't think there is a need to read too much into it. We feel blessed about the deities of Sri Sri Radha Vrindavan Chandra's presence there, that's all
@@kirr4 Just one point to clarify abour serving prasadam cooked by hired chefs: Srila Prabhupada says this, in a letter to all temple presidents (an institutional directive just like July 9, 1977... this letter on Jan 18, 1977: "Please accept my blessings. Now you must arrange in each temple there must be sufficient stock of prasadam for distribution. You can keep first class cooks, two or three, and they should be always engaged. Whenever any guest comes, he must get prasada. This arrangement must be made, that the cooks prepare ten-twenty servings at a time, of puris and subji, and you can add halava and pakoras, and the visitors must be supplied immediately. Whenever a gentleman comes, he must be served. As the twenty servings are being distributed, immediately the cooks prepare another twenty servings and store it. At the end of the day, if no one comes, our own men will take, so there is no loss. You cannot say, "it is finished,'' "it is not cooked yet,'' "there is no supply for cooking'' etc. This must be enforced rigidly." Hence, at least according to this quote hiring cooks for prasadam distribution is not wrong. You are contradicting yourself, you say you were made to take prasad. and then you are saying we can't provide prasad to congregation devotees? We are not going to go anywhere by going on with protests and finding faults, Prabhu!
Amogh lila prabhuji told perfect thing. This ritvik system is all just bcoz of two people. HG Madhupandit prabhu and HG Chanchalapati prabhu, once these two people disapper...all this thing will come to prabhupad's iskcon. Soon this will happen. Ritviks are gonna finish soon. Hare krishna
th-cam.com/video/ZxeENkvbMT4/w-d-xo.html In the above Video,Amogh Lila Prabhu himself is begging sincere apologies for making such immature comments because he Says his Guru Maharaj called and chastised him.. Amogh lila prabhu himself learnt his mistake but looks like u haven't learnt yet...so please learn quickly or else u may also get banned like him and then u will not have opportunity to even blaspheme vaishnavas... Also u r saying Prabhupada’s Iskcon but where is Prabhupada in iskcon? Books are edited, deity worship standards r changed, new books are being sold, women becoming gurus...please Enlighten us on Where did Srila Prabhupada authorize all these? The July 9th letter by Srila Prabhupada Clearly authorizes the Ritvik system followed by Iskcon Bangalore Group of temples...
Looks like you've not heard the full podcast. 1:46:56 Please firstly hear what HG Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu is saying then come to the comment section.
Dear Rahul! Looks like your Amogh Lila prabhu has taken special interest in Astrology and keeps on doing predictions. But sadly he couldn't predict him getting banned from speaking and not coming in public for a month
Rahul better you also give up astrology and use your logic. Just like modiji if not prime minister tomorrow India will stop it's functions similarly Prabhupadas Ritvik ISKCON won't stop if these two personalities not there tomorrow.
@@jasdhkm3576 ..I heard the full lecture with full attention and interest and only after that i commented. According to them after prabhupad all his disciples had fall down on you people didn't had fall down. This is straight insult to prabhupad that he selected all idiots to be gis disciple. Also without any authority you people had made GBC and all make all rules of your own. Prabhupad never approved this. Its all that you people have concocted something abd doing all rubbish things by just twisting facts..
All glories to the vaishnavas! it really inspires young FOLKs to hear such struggles that our senior devotees took, and it solidifies our faith in the institution of ISKCON Bangalore and group of temples. I submissively accept the beautiful authority system (FOLK and hierarchy) which is in place - continuing the preaching and spreading the glories of Guru and Krishna and I aspire to be the servant of the vaishnavas who are sincerely serving the only true Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON movement!
Do you study in NIT Surat, because one of my classmate got same name as yours and he is also from Bangalore
Can't express how Wonderful it is to hear from such an exalted devotee!!! So wonderful Realizations of HG Suvyakta Narasimha prabhuji... Srila Prabhupada ki Jayy! 🙇🙇
I'm impressed by the structured organizational ethics and etiquette of ISKCON Bangalore. The training of missionaries in this organization sets a standard that I find unmatched by any other.
Very inspiring talks prabhuji ❤... Waiting for talks with HG Chanachalapati prabhu and other senior Vaishnavas also.
Hari Bol 😊❤
Hare Krishna Prabhu, Dandavats.
Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I'm from folk mysore and I'm conveying my heartfelt gratefulness & gratitude's for conducting this interview with Prabhu and asking straight which cleared so much to us, folks.
It's was high time that we all wanted to hear openly, as it is truth and in this podcast it was made happen very nicely.
Thank you once again Prabhu.
Your Servant,
Dhanush Raj
I am very much fortunate to work with Suvyakta Prabhu in VCM and Akshaya Patra under his guidance. Very True and Real Prabhu I have met. He is Guru for me
Always Grateful to FOLK Ahmedabad to upload such Nectarean Talks of senior Vaishnavas 🙇🙇
Hare Krishna Prabhuji - Thank you very much for such wonderful talk with senior vaishnava. Please continue to create such videos with other Senior Vaishnavas as well. This will surely inspire bring us closer to Srila Prabhupada!
Thank you very much Prabhuji!
Hare Krishna Prabhu
Prabhu this is my eye opener video
Thank u so much prabhu
Prabhu pls keep continuing to make this type of videos
Prabhu pls make the same type of videos with CPP, stotakrishna Maharaj and amitasana prabhu
Pls prabhu
Jai prabhupad
Despite being a highly educated person, he leads a devotional life. As a result, many people of the society and the state will be benefited by it. Nowadays highly educated people earn money by cheating common people. But if all highly educated people like him try to become devotees of God then peace and order will be restored in the society and people will not be harassed. Thanks to those who are trying to convert people especially highly educated people by preaching the word of God.🇧🇩♥️Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩
All glories to Srila Prabhupada's Ritvik devotees.
Without fail, they all glorify our Srila Prabhupada and never fail to give our Srila Prabhupada all the credit.
And they always have Srila Prabhupada's original books .
Thanks for increasing our implicit faith in the power of being surrendered to Srila Prabhupada!
Hare Krishna Rasa Parayana Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Firstly, thank you so much for bringing out these much needed podcasts with senior Vaishnava leaders of our group. First with HH Stoka Maharaj, then with HG Madhu Pandit Prabhu , HG Vyomapada Prabhu and now with HG Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu.
Timestamp 1:22:50 to 1:27:20, where Prabhu explains about the miraculous growth of vegetation in the Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir campus and connects it to Kunti Maharani's prayer SB 1.8.40 is revealing and truly amazing.
timestamp 1:32:38: 1:46:55, Prabhu's miraculous recovery by the grace of Shrila Prabhupada and Shri Krishna is really hope giving.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji
Dandavat Pranam
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Throughout the talk I was getting goosebumps....mercy of Radharani and Krishna is very evident
Thankyou Prabhuji for sharing such wonderful events
Thankyou
Ys
Its always very inspiring to hear our senior vaishnavas
So Many Lila Prabhu Narrated Really feeling Blessed and inspired to advance in Krishna Consciousness.
Hare Krishna prabhu
please make a episode with HG Amitasana prabhu also
ys
Hare Krishna Prabhus 🙏🏻
Such inspiring podcast about history of HKM. ...
I am not related to ISKCON but as a sanatani and as a Sri Vaishnava I can say that this ' ritwik ' system has no parallels in the entire history of sanatan and vaishnava parampara . When a guru is physically there he can ask his ritwiks to initiate on his behalf but this simply cant continue long after the passing away of the guru . There is a reason why we use the term " Guru Parampara " , There is a lineage of Guru and his/her sishyas and then the sishyas are given the guru gaddi and the process starts again .
I can understand if Bangalore temple had issues with certain individuals in the GBC who were not spiritually advanced enough to take the responsibility of a Guru but to say that in Vedic sanatan system we can obliterate the old system of Guru Parampara and stop at one guru is anti vedic . No other sampradaya of sanatan dharma follows such a practice . Then why just Prabhupad ? People can initiate others in the name of great sages like Vasishtha , Yagyavalka Vyasadeva and so many others . If both these groups within Srila Prabhupad's organization fail to see anyone worthy to take on the position of a Guru then there is something wrong with their sadhna . Almost 50 years after the passing away of the Acharya there is nobody worthy enough to take his place ...I know Prabhupada did not specify anyone to take his Guru Gaddi but that was a long time back and most of his direct disciples are no more and soon the rest will also follow but if even now there is no worthy individual to take on the position of Acharya then there is something wrong within the whole system .
Such a hypocritical situation has arisen everywhere. But if no one is qualified to be a guru, then this whole sect ends here by breaking up. But even in ISKCON there are some sincere Gurus who have no stigma attached to them. The only difference is that they are not very famous.
An Acharya is empowered by Krishna. What he does for a certain time, place and circumstance, need not have any precedent in the Sanatana history. One has to simply follow the instructions of the Acharya to attain Krishna. Those are doing it in ISKCON Bangalore are seeing the wonderful results of the system set up by Srila Prabhupada and the fool proof way in which it is working. There is no need for others, who are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada to comment on Srila Prabhupäda's actions. Nor can such persons understand the deep import and purpose behind Srila Prabhupada's actions. "Judge the action by the result". ISKCON Bangalore and its affiliated Temples' success in spreading Krishna consciousness is proof of the Ritvik system's authenticity.
@@mukundamadhavadasa8471 well the same can be said about the original ISKCON . Here in the USA ISKCON has been hugely successful and spreading the light of Sanatan Dharma and Vaishnava ideals and in the past decade their devotees have increased many fold ..Should one not see that as success ? ..Also as a Sanatani and a Vaishnava I have every right to comment on the practices of a sanatani Vaishnava organization ...OR DO YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE Banglore temple to be outside the fold of Sanatan Dharma and Vaishnava family ? Also there are quiet some confusion about what Srila Prabhupada wanted . In some of the very last letters he wrote it seems he wanted his direct disciple to make sishyas of their own .
First of all Prabhu, a true Vaishnava never claims himself as a Vaishnava.
Seome neophytes like us have no right to judge the activities of the Pure Devotee . Just like Mudhas and less intelligent people cannot understand the activities of the Supreme Lord, we also can never understand how a pure devotee and his energy works.
Srila Prabhupada has initiated many unique trends which may not be easily acceptable by the orthodox Brahmanas .
Like giving second initiations to matajis and giving them the right to enter the altar and do pujari seva.
As a sannyasi he was not supposed to even attend the marriage ceremony, yet he himself conducted the marriage ceremony of his disciples.
The whole point is that Empowered Acharyas can change the rules and regulations According to Desha Kala, Patra i.e. Time ,place and circumstances.
So there is nothing extraordinary in him creating a new system of ritwik initiations.
This ritwik system was prevalent during Srila Prabhupada's Time as well. Why do you want to limit Srila Prabhupada to the body. He is transcendental and is very much available for all of us like he was during his physical presence.
All the followers of the Ritwik System feel his presence and personal guidance in our daily lives. There is no doubt about it.
@@ShrilaPrabhupadno need to breakup . Simply follow instructions of HDG ACBSP and you will be able to advance in Krsna consciousness swiftly. It is a very simple process.
Hare Krishna
Dandwat Pranam to Every devotee of Hkm
I am very blessed that I seen this podcast
Thank you everyone
I was loosing faith
But now I know Prabhupada is the only one 🙇🏻♂️❤️
Madhu pandit Prabhu ki Jai🙇🏻♂️
Srila Prabhupada’s iskcon ki Jai🙇🏻♂️
Hare Krishna movement ki Jai 🙇🏻♂️
Hare krishna great journey inspiring words
Glad you liked it
Amazing Session Thank you FOLK life and Hare krishna Mandir Bhadaj
Dandavat pranam Narmsimha prabhu.. it is eye opening conversations.. fact remains crystal clear.. truth shines so do your guru.. I would love to concentrate on teaching more from Narsimha prabhu.. all glories to Bakti vedanta saraswati swami prabhupad.. also to Iskon Bangalore aacharya 🙏🙏
Excellent Responses. Faith in Srila Prabhupada as the eternal Initiating Acharya of ISKCON is the base for any progress in Bakthi. There is no other way to Golok apart from the Hare Krishna Movement with Srila Prabhupada as the Caption.
I have started watching. Hope Krishna help me to watch full video without any skip.
Hare Krishna
Finally I completed
Very nice conversation Prabhu.
Hari bol
Grateful for this Vaishnava association. Srila Prabhupada ki jai
Pardon my ignorence...🙏It's a simple in my small thinking ... HG Srila Prabhupada is Diksha Guru (always)and senior disciples may act as Siksha Guru… Siksha Guru will help us on day by day duties and offer Diksha through Prabhpada Ji with his grace as well. Hare Krishna
Exactly, you have captured the point and the spirit, Prabhu!
"Essential truth spoken concisely is true eloquence" (Chaitanya Charitamrta Adi lila 1.105)
HDG Srila Prabhupada not HG. Please correct it.
Hare Kṛṣṇa. All Glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
Hare Krishna 👏👏
Dandavath Prasanama Prabhuji🙏🙏
Goosebumps Gaurenteed🎉❤
haribol!!!
Haribol prabhu,
.....please interview H.G. Gaurmandal prabhu..
Hari Bol💙
Hari Bol!
Amazing video prabhu 🎉
1.25.00 goosebumps
Jay prabhupada 🙏
Hari Hari Bol
Very motivating
So does this mean no one in Iskcon can become Guru? Also Srila Prabhupada lectured that one must accept a living Guru. So how does that fit with these alternative presentations in this video.?
Talk is really frank...👌👌
Why are foreigners not allowed in your all-Indian Bangalore Iskcon group of centralise temples?
Foreigners are allowed... Pls come to ISKCON Banglore and see.
Not true, come and see for yourself... Do you have any example to substantiate any non Indian devotees not being allowed in ISKCON Bangalore or our group of temples?
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Prabhu
Part -II?
Hare Krishna! Anyone know if the ritvik gbc publishes resolutions or have a place where they share what was discussed in the meetings?
Also, are some comments being deleted?
No comments have been deleted.
Yes it is published for the consumption of the devotees under the ISKCON Bangalore and HKM group of devotees.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 Okay Prabhu. Thank you for your reply. Where can I find the publications prabhu?
Happy to Subscribed
Welcome aboard!
Ritvik is a serious deviation. Bangalore group of temples is constructing big big structures, iskcon is building temples Within the hearts of millions .
This is the difference.
Your business won't last longer .
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How come there are divisions within those who follow Ritwik system? Like ISKM temple, give Gita temple and HKM
Everyone is free to preach Srila Prabhupada's message and spread his mission. HKM's policy is not to criticize unnecessarily but preach to the innocent souls and bring them to the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet.
Exactly, because it's Bogus
@@priyanshuprasad8618 ulta chor kotwal ko dante 😁
Guru Parampara is the core of Sanatam Dharma. Denouncing it will never gain acceptance. Please invoke it and join the mainstream.
Thats exactly the point. Guru parampara consists of all Pure and exalted Vaishnava. It's not for Neophytes and ordinary conditioned souls.
We are already in the mainstream. You join us and take shelter of the right person.
Any living being irrespective of his status can seek a Guru. It is the Guru who takes a neophyte out of the darkness.
Please throw some light, who is the right person?
I didn't understand where in the conversation is there any denouncing of Guru Parampara! Rather, Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu is explaining how that pure Guru Parampara which is the core of Sanatana Dharma has been contaminated, as the July 9 letter had been hidden and later misinterpreted and the actual Guru Parampara has never been implemented in ISKCON today.
The results of following Srila Prabhuppada's desire to continue Guru Parampara is evident to the devotees who are following this system. We have no fear of a 'guru' fall down, because we surrender to the Guru who never falls down-Srila Prabhupada!
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 you have any other evidence? Okay even if we follow the letter , I say ISKCON still follows it and you don't. Can you prove this statement wrong? Okay have you met any Ritviks Mentioned by Srila Prabhupada? Have you taken diksha from any Ritviks mentioned by Prabhupada? If no, then the conversation is over. First of all, Ritvik system is followed when Guru is alive and he accepts disciple. Even if we take Ritvik System as still valid till now ,Ritvik appointed by Srila Prabhupada can appoint others after them. Have you been appointed?
It's just a False Ego that "we deserve Prabhupada and nothing lower than that. I am great and I will accept only the greatest that is Srila Prabhupada. All others are fallen , only I am greatest (another pre assumption) . They don't deserve me ....."
But they don't understand a simple analogy, "Being Servant of The Servant of the Servant of Krishna."taught by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
Actually it's all money game prabhu, if their money is stopped they will leave HKM or the stolen name "ISKCON Banglore". But one thing they cannot Understand that "what will happen after death?" We have an answer that "Prabhupada we unqualified were trying to serve your servants" but what answer do they have? "Prabhupada we were telling that all your servants are Fallen and finding faults in them, you don't know how to train them enough to understand instructions and follow them!?"
Really?!
Anyways entire podcast is really good rasparayan pranhu again telling to his mind that its ok this ritvil system is authorised..........
Not just his mind, the podcast is clearing all the interested sincere minds that following the July 9, 1977 directive of Srila Prabhupada is the only valid thing to do in the institution of ISKCON!
Hare Krishna!
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 why clearing do you still have doubts, if so why to accept diksha........ Clearing itself shows that their minds are not completely cleared.........
@@kirr4 there are those who are new and trying to understand the issue at hand, and it would help them understand with clarity that's why.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 that's very good intention of urs........... His Divine Grace always says that cheaters will go to cheaters....... So with this one can easily say if someone wants to get cheated he will get cheaters. Hare krishna
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Hare Krishna please don't make any corrections or comments regarding ritvik and guru issue because anything happened with out the knowledge of the supreme lord Krishna so let's practice Krishna consciousness with out disagree ment each other Iskcon is one institute started by srila Prabhupada please coperate don't fight for silly issues all are son's of lord Krishna each individual has independent to select ritvik or living guru anyway we pray to srila Prabhupada take is movement to another 10000 years please no more disagreement Tq
We have already agreed to be united. We have submitted a written document stating the same. Please go though this podcast
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@@sukumaraharidasa5346 submitted in such a way that they won't accept it, very cleaverly twisted thing.
@@kirr4The very basis of all your arguments in the court was that ISKCON BANGLORE devotees are after property and for power they are doing this.
Why you are running away now. Accept it, we are ready to surrender everything to you. Our only request is to let us follow instructions of HDG ACBSP.
All your false claims have been defeated.
@@kirr4 can you please mention how it is cleverly twisted? To ask that in all the temples that have been started after ISKCONBangalore decided to accept only Srila Prabhupada as the diksha guru, should be allowed to follow this system even after handing over the administration to the hands of ISKCON bureau/GBC, is as simple and straightforward as possible! Where is the twist other than in the minds of those who want to hold on to usurped positions although unqualified to hold such an unauthorised position of diksha guru against the wishes of Srila Prabhupada?
If the dispute is apparently of the property, we have offered to hand over not just ISKCONBangalore but all the other temples that have come up thereafter from our preaching to the ISKCON bureau and GBC, yet they're not ready to accept anyone to take direct shelter of Srila Prabhupada!
The only disagreement as disciples of Srila Prabhupada we have, is that nobody should usurp Srila Prabhupada's rightful position as the sole initiating spiritual master, diksha guru in Iskcon.
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I have just finished entire podcast one straight question to prabhu is if His Divine Grace wants to be a Diksha guru for ten thousand years.... He would have stated very directly and clearly that I will be the ONLY diksha guru for ten thousand years............ He was very clear in his plans in between some people poped up suddenly and brought this ritvik issue........ If His Divine Grace listens to this podcast he would be very much suprised to know how the speaker was able to exactly grasped the thinking of prabhupad ji as it is........ Maybe in that prabhu might have blessed with riddhi siddi to know the mind of his guru who has already left the planet physically....... Coming to rasparayan prabhu it appears that he is simply clearing all the doubts of the brahmacharies of HKM by quoting the opposite party name....... If anyone says anything about them they are opposite party if by chance MPP prabhu says there's some mistakes in current system of ritvit issuess they say MPP prabhu is opposite party.......
Hare Krishna Prabhu, I think it is amply clear in July 9, 1977 letter that His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada wanted the system of initiations as He has described in the July 9 letter to continue henceforward in his institution of ISKCON. Of course he says henceforward and not any specific number as to 10,000 years or whatever.
Even Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura didn't clearly appoint anyone as guru but told them to make a GBC, but the devotees at Gaudiya Matha didn't do so and as a result, Srila Prabhupada says they disobeyed their Guru Maharaja.
But please carefully note, Srila Prabhupada never became a guru or acharya within Gaudiya Matha but started his own institution called ISKCON where He is the Founder Acharya, but He credits all his success to His Guru Maharaja Bhaktisiddhanta Sawasvati Thakura.
Now, as the Founder Acharya of ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada has decided the system of initiation in his institution after his physical departure, through Julu 9, 1977.
Now, if anyone thinks they are qualified and have received blessings and order of Srila Prabhupada to initiate and be the next Guru/Acharya, they can be one, by starting their own institution, like Srila Prabhupada did, and credit their success to Srila Prabhupada.
But within ISKCON institution according to July 9, 1977 letter, which is the last instruction on this mater, has no provision to have any other gurus.
Hence, what we are currently following in ISKCON Bangalore and HKM group of temples is exactly what Srila Prabhupada decided for ISKCON.
Now, as some would turn around and say that none of our devotees names are in the list of 11 representatives mentioned by Srila Prabhupada in July 9, 1977 letter, and hence our system is farce, it is just impractical to think this way.
Do you believe that after these 11 people are no more ISKCON institution cannot hold any initiations and recruit new devotees and Srila Prabhupada cannot accept new disciples anymore?
The 11 at that time were just those who were practically managing and available, and as in July 7 conversation, Srila Prabhupada makes it amply clear that it was just a matter of practicality to be a ritvik, whoever is the nearest can do this service.
Hence, in the current scenario, we have our senior devotees who have taken up this responsibility. Ritviks have no special duties like a Guru, and in fact in our system, the initiate doesn't even get to know which devotee was the ritvik who chanted on his beads and chose his spiritual name, so that there is no apparent sentiment attached in his/her mind about the 'ritvik', which is unnecessary. Ever disciple in ISKCON must have unadulterated Guru Bhakti only to Srila Prabhupada and we are doing our best to promote this in our institution and finding the results.
We have found this practical and implement it, and do not wish to sit and over-analyze and criticise or find faults but engage in positive preaching to build Srila Prabhupada's institution and to assist Srila Prabhupada to rescue conditioned souls from clutches of Maya.
Lord Krishna says, 'For a doubting soul there is neither peace in this life, nor the next.' We are no way qualified to test Srila Prabhupada as our Guru or not, we have simply been blessed by His Causeless Mercy to be accepted as His disciple. At the same time, we aren't sentimentally accepting Srila Prabhupada as our Guru, He has volumes of philosophy and practical reasons to show that He is the only fit person to be accepted as the sole diksha guru and acharya for the conditioned souls of this Kali Yuga.
If you choose to be confused and criticize and protest, it is your free will, but we are happy to receive Srila Prabhupada's mercy and march on, following His footsteps, back to Godhead.
Hare Krishna!
On this subject in July 7, 1977 room conversation while listing the names of those who will perform duties of a ritvik, Srila Prabhupada's final words on the matter before the letter got drafted is as follows: "Prabhupäda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right... That will depend on discretion."
It means that these 11 devotees were not the only ones to perform these duties, nor will be perpetually there to perform these duties, and on their departure the ritvik system of initiation would cease to exist. If that would be so, Srila Prabhupada wouldn't mention in his will, as follows: "The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of the death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) executive directors acting at one time."
This clearly means that to implement Srila Prabhupada's will in ISKCON institution Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples must continue to exist beyond those mentioned in the will at that time.
So the argument that there can be no ritviks beyond the 11 mentioned in July 9, 1977 directive is meaningless. In any case, instead of using 'discretion' and adding new initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada to act as ritviks, what is the positive alternative? to speculate and generate new systems and cause confusion and chaos?
In our institution we have ample clarity, no chaos, no confusion on this subject, and it is by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, not because of any mental speculation.
So, one can continue to question and criticize but by Srila Prabhupada's mercy this institution will only grow.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 hare krishna prabhu thanks for taking out so much time for replying to me, in ur entire reply there's no where mention about my doubt........ Is there any direct instructions or letter which is duly signed by His Divine Grace stating that he will be the ONLY diksha guru......... If prabhupad ji intention is that he would have mentioned it clearly directly but why it's not there...... That's my doubt , do you think that prabhupad is being checked by demon Tamal at his last days..... As HKM group is claiming that all GBC gurus are self oppointed gurus because they don't have any written letter to become diksha guru........ How about you where the letter for you to act as ritviks can't you be called as self appointed ritviks............ Do you think that His Divine Grace is not capable of making atleast few pure devotees where they are able to give diksha and deliver their disciples...... How much sin you want to transfer to His Divine Grace by giving diksha on behalf of him , as mahaprabhu clearly states to his followers not to make too many disciples.......,. I have worked with ur group very closely compared with Fiskcon your is far far better I won't deny it, it's a open fact but in this issue I have some confusion🤔, His Divine Grace clearly instructed us not to leave iskcon which you have done against his will if some theives will invade ur home will you run away from it or u will fight for ur beloved ones...... His Divine Grace says ISKCON is his body these Fiskcon rouges are damaging the body of prabhupad ji as a follower of prabhupad ji won't you think that it's ur responsibility to fight for his own stated mission ISKCON, insted of fighting simply compromised with them let's not fight openly you keep quite we keep quite, is this is not the deal HKM is having with Fiskcon bogus gurus.......... According to the deal the joker of Fiskcon made to apologize to MPP and CPP.......... Now you openly says your the only one who are sincerely following His Divine Grace............. First of all self scrutinize ur self weather your truly following his Divine Grace or not...... U know pretty well that ur not you have actually admitted earlier in ur comments then if you are also not following then what is the difference between you and them....... Same.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 very proudly your saying that we are practical and getting the results, was that results are in line with His Divine Grace instructions...?
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 when the matter comes to fare discussion you should reply point to point as your sincear followers of His Divine Grace you should reply.... No one is simply sitting, over analyzing or critizing Or fault finding...., His Divine Grace says if you call a theif as a theif it's not an offence similarly there are the doubt s so explain them......... As you have actively participating in this discussion shows how much busy you must be in saving the jivas from the clutches of maya it clearly evident ........
If someone is suffering from illness two things we should consider one is maybe krishna is kindly taking away my karma in vrindavan very fastly other is that maybe I might have committed an offence, second way of thinking is always happens with advanced devotees they always thinks like that but prabhu he himself contradicts here...... Funny thing is that ss its radhika s mercy lemme finish by staying in vrindavan the holy dham , but prabhu as he' s having position moved to hill station outside dham....... Great......
Fault-finding is another fault. For a devotee chanting Hare Krishna and in devotional service, any and every place is Vrindavana.
A person who simply accepted thy ritvit issue without any questions to the authority can easily speculate about prabhupad plans and radhika plans in vraj......As Divine Grace instructs us that one should test the spiritual master at least one year before taking diksha............ Not only that one can easily say that prabhu is simply and quickly believing some brajwasi said that poision of kaliya is spread over kilometers then how come the area around the kalighat like iskcon goshaala, madan ter which are having huge huge big trees of years of age......... So there's no poision over there........ Kuch bhi 😂😂😅
You seem to be looking into the hearts and minds of devotees and deciding that they have accepted Srila Prabhupada's system of initiation without sufficient introspection, questions, debate and discussions.
If there is a positive alternative to the July 9, 1977 directive by Srila Prabhupada, please indicate.
As to the poison of kaliya not affecting the other trees near Kaliya ghat etc, what is the point you are trying to make? So do you mention that it is not an ample reason to think, believe and be grateful to the mercy of Sri Sri Radha Vrindavanchandra that Their divine appearance has transformed an erstwhile dry region into a lush green and fertile land?
Why do we have to find faults and over-analyze and criticise everything? By blessing of Krishna, of course even the trees at Kaliya ghat, Madan ter and ISKCON goshala have been unaffected by the poison of Kaliya, which is quite possible. What is so surprising in it? The surprising fact in the land of VCM is that nothing grew there before the deities were installed but after Sri Sri Radha Vrindavanchandra mercifully descended there, the land is transformed... Matlab, protest, criticism and fault-finding ke liye kuch bhi? 😂😂😂
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 When he understood that the water of the Yamunā was being polluted by the black serpent Kāliya, Lord Kṛṣṇa took action against him and made him leave the Yamunā and go elsewhere, and thus the water became purified --- chapter 16 subduing kaliya. Here His Divine Grace clearly said that water become purifed now you don't speculate...... Just to support ur speculation and ur speculative authority kuch bhi wah 😂 bhai wah....... Kutch to socho...... Now you even find fault with prabhupad ji statement to support ur so called authority
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 Anyone who hears the narration of the Kāliya serpent and his punishment will need fear no more the envious activities of snakes. The Lord also declared, “If one takes a bath in the Kāliya lake, where My cowherd boyfriends and I have bathed, or if one fasts for a day and offers oblations to the forefathers from the water of this lake, he will be relieved from all kinds of sinful reactions.”one more statement from prabhupad ji now start speculate again....... There one prabhu heard from one brajwasi stating that because of kaliya no trees nothing in this field he simply took it As It is and very openly Authoritatively stating publicly on social media which is totally against the His Divine Grace statement s........ Kutch bhi..... Kutch bhi ........ Seems ur guys are totally busy in cooking and serving the prasaad to the temple visiting devotees and offcourse definitely congregation devotees too..... First do the necessary what His Divine Grace asked you to do...... I was ur congregation I was made to take prasad which is cooked by hired chefs...... U even can't provide prasaad to the congregation devotees what to speak of out side visitors........ Hkm thinks only temple brahmacharies are devotees and outside devotees are fallen which is totally against prabhupad ji instructions........ As long as you won't follow His Divine Grace instructions you are nowhere......... That's the only fact.
@@kirr4 arey, we aren't finding fault with Srila Prabhupada's statement.
We are simply trying to appreciate the fact that the descent of Their Lordships Sri Sri Radha Vrindavan Chandra converted an erstwhile barren land into fertile one
I don't think there is a need to read too much into it. We feel blessed about the deities of Sri Sri Radha Vrindavan Chandra's presence there, that's all
@@kirr4 Just one point to clarify abour serving prasadam cooked by hired chefs: Srila Prabhupada says this, in a letter to all temple presidents (an institutional directive just like July 9, 1977... this letter on Jan 18, 1977: "Please accept my blessings. Now you must arrange in each temple there must be sufficient stock of prasadam for distribution. You can keep first class cooks, two or three, and they should be always engaged. Whenever any guest comes, he must get prasada. This arrangement must be made, that the cooks prepare ten-twenty servings at a time, of puris and subji, and you can add halava and pakoras, and the visitors must be supplied immediately. Whenever a gentleman comes, he must be served. As the twenty servings are being distributed, immediately the cooks prepare another twenty servings and store it. At the end of the day, if no one comes, our own men will take, so there is no loss. You cannot say, "it is finished,'' "it is not cooked yet,'' "there is no supply for cooking'' etc. This must be enforced rigidly."
Hence, at least according to this quote hiring cooks for prasadam distribution is not wrong. You are contradicting yourself, you say you were made to take prasad. and then you are saying we can't provide prasad to congregation devotees?
We are not going to go anywhere by going on with protests and finding faults, Prabhu!
Amogh lila prabhuji told perfect thing. This ritvik system is all just bcoz of two people. HG Madhupandit prabhu and HG Chanchalapati prabhu, once these two people disapper...all this thing will come to prabhupad's iskcon. Soon this will happen. Ritviks are gonna finish soon. Hare krishna
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In the above Video,Amogh Lila Prabhu himself is begging sincere apologies for making such immature comments because he Says his Guru Maharaj called and chastised him..
Amogh lila prabhu himself learnt his mistake but looks like u haven't learnt yet...so please learn quickly or else u may also get banned like him and then u will not have opportunity to even blaspheme vaishnavas...
Also u r saying Prabhupada’s Iskcon but where is Prabhupada in iskcon? Books are edited, deity worship standards r changed, new books are being sold, women becoming gurus...please Enlighten us on Where did Srila Prabhupada authorize all these? The July 9th letter by Srila Prabhupada Clearly authorizes the Ritvik system followed by Iskcon Bangalore Group of temples...
Looks like you've not heard the full podcast.
1:46:56 Please firstly hear what HG Suvyakta Narasimha Prabhu is saying then come to the comment section.
Dear Rahul! Looks like your Amogh Lila prabhu has taken special interest in Astrology and keeps on doing predictions. But sadly he couldn't predict him getting banned from speaking and not coming in public for a month
Rahul better you also give up astrology and use your logic. Just like modiji if not prime minister tomorrow India will stop it's functions similarly Prabhupadas Ritvik ISKCON won't stop if these two personalities not there tomorrow.
@@jasdhkm3576 ..I heard the full lecture with full attention and interest and only after that i commented. According to them after prabhupad all his disciples had fall down on you people didn't had fall down. This is straight insult to prabhupad that he selected all idiots to be gis disciple. Also without any authority you people had made GBC and all make all rules of your own. Prabhupad never approved this. Its all that you people have concocted something abd doing all rubbish things by just twisting facts..