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Chelsea locker room is gonna be hella awkward
Especially with cole Palmer there
At this point they might as well bring an actual lion there
again
Shi I’ve just realised
Emi Martinez and Moussa Diaby
But that's the way they like it
The most fucked up part is that Wesley Fofana, his teammate, calls out the racist chant, and he gets further racist abuse
If your mother is nigerian and i tell your mother is nigerian, HOW THE F IS IT RACIST FARLIBERL IDIOT?
Feel bad for him to be honest. Proves him his point though
And an apology that could just be copy pasted from the last time some player did something horribly racist will be all their teams demand to "prove they learned their lessons". Its all kinds of fucked up.
I'm going to say the N word
That's what Argentinians do
Enzo will never defeat the racism allegations just like how zeland will never do his background
Same for Zoro 😔
Literally no one cares about this chant
@@CrazedFilmz what do you mean no one cares when everyone is talking about it?
Enzo Fernandez
Your mother is Italian
Your father is German and a nazi
But Your passport says Argentinian
@@lilteenxhowa3786 they care about the attention🤣there's many racist things in the world and that's not one of them, taking little things like that and calling them racist makes yall lose credibility with people outside the woke mindset
Its crazy that they some how made a worse statement than "no, no, no I have black friends." To oh no he celebreted with a black player after a goal. Fuckin crazy
“Using race to talk shit is racist.” That’s like one of the main fucking definitions lol
And like the idea that they’re just having a little fun is dumb. Like, racists think racism is fun. Ffs
But they're not using race to talk shit. They're using the argument of "hey, this country is so bad at football they need to recruit descendants from another continent". Why the assumption that this chant wouldn't exist if the players were white? Where in this chant does it say anything about the color of their skin, or anything derogatory towards their race? If all the french players were descendants of people in Brazil, for example, and all of them were white - and if they sung about how "their passports say French, but their parents were born in Brazil" - would that be racist in any way? I agree that this chant is lame as hell and very disrespectful, but not racist.
@lfmm97 but France has some of the best football academies on the planet, where the vast majority of the NT squad were born and professionally trained
@@thatguy-notsuraj-6843 And I agree that suggesting that those players weren't born in France is very disrespectful just because their parents were born elsewhere, I think the chant is unacceptable for those reasons because it tries to call into question the patriotism of these players and such. They are all legitimately French, so that's why the chant is very childish and disrespectful, but I just don't see the racism here.
@@lfmm97 When he says don't overthink it this is what he meant lol it's obviously racist
I actually lost it at 'comic sans apology' 🤣
I'm just recovering from it now 😂
exactly what I had tweeted lmaoooo
Likebeggar
The irony that a team made of decendants of immigrants (I suspect there aren't many native south americans on the argentine national team) is making fun of another team for including immigrants.
If you look up Argentines history you'll find it's much worse. You know... There's a reason there are so few "darker" Argentines.
I'm pretty sure most of Argentina's current team are of Italian decent
The difference is that Argentina declared independence, while france takes players from their former colonies
@@ayooo9770 with the exception of 1 all of Frances current team were born in France not a colony
@@ayooo9770 literally the only reason for your complains is that they don't "look french" to you.
'Banter' is supposed to be a back and forth with the other person, if it's not something you would call them in front of their face its just an insult and isn't banter. Although I guess in this case they did say it in front of everyone...
It’s banter
Banter is “your mom sucks eggs.” Shit-talking is “his mom sucks eggs.” As far as I see it.
@@CrazedFilmzracist
Exactly
I did wonder if England chanted about the Falklands and said it was just banter, if Argentines would be so laid back about it.
The craziest thing about this is that they played against Colombia not even France why sing it anyway 😭 plus the Colombian team has a lot of black players too it looks bad all around
Because it is a song from the field, it has no logic, it is only to mock
Also France rugby just did a tour of Argentina and made the news for assault and some other controversy. Still not OK tho
Crazy considering garnachos birth certificate says spain
Macallister in the mud
The entire "I got lost in the moment" thing is just insulting. You started the stream, you knew that song word-for-word, you were basically leading it!
He was "caught up in the moment" but knew to try and cut off the stream to not broadcast them singing it lol he was just too late. Such a half ass apology I hope his chelsea teammates rightfully outcast him
When people say "that's not who I am" after the fact, I generally find myself thinking, "No, that’s _precisely_ who you are."
calling mbappe a ninja turtle is bants. calling him a transgender slur and mocking his ancestry is not bants. its really not that complex
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It's not calling Mbappé a transgender slur, it's referring to an alleged former partner
Is not that simple, well, it is but the sensibilities of the people in south america and the us or europe are very different, is kinda normal in stadiums to hear very hurtful chants around here but it never is controversial. I'm not saying is not bad or racist or whatever but football is some kind of lawless place here.
But is a football match song what is the problem with that?
@@gaffer2602 apologies, i wasnt actually aware of this. this context however doesnt change that its not bants still.
I wish more people - and I include Zealand in this - were calling out the transphobia in the song, as well as the racism.
Yeah, it's too normalized. And it's really bad. Football are in some parts very stupid.
why call out a good thing
@@RodrigoMCabrera Yeah it's about football... no trans, racial, gay slurs and so on outside of football...
You can't be serious, this is everywhere, and no one bats an eye except for in public, corporate, academic or similar settings
@@Nebulak187 I know that, i'm from Argentina. Football here its a religion, and no one really took seriously those lyrics, but in other countries seems to be very hard to believe, so i don't blame to much people being mad about them. Also here the homosexualality and tsgender are not a bad thing, some took that as a character and others with humor, but they are still a minority, but they are relatively free to live they normal lifes. The real problem here is clascism.
So yeah, football out of context is a thing.
@@coralpilled Bigotry in any form is bad, even if you agree with it
One thing i really dont understand is why they were even talking about the french when they just got finished playing copa America against Colombia
I think cuz MBappe said the Euro's is harder to win than the World Cup
cause argentinian fans have different chants not only talking about their team players and history but also rivals like Brazil, France was included a few years ago especially with Mbappe's comments talking about south america's football level compared to europe that clearly didn't sit right with fans
The, um, somewhat transphobic part is very bad too. So what if or not Mbappe had fun with a trans person? Gross song.
GAY
A lot of people who arent racist are totally cool with transphobia. It's frustrating
Surprisingly the most searched type of adult content in Argentina is transgender content. Not surprised
Well the song was saying fact but it still racist
Sadly there is a lot of homophobia and transphobia in football. More than racism.
Argentines? Racist? Who would have thought
I would really like to know where and when this retory of Argentines being racists started. Its specially funny when an American says it.
@@MightyBileBrazil: I don't exist
Next you’re gonna tell me the Italians have a bit of a temper or something!
@@MightyBileArgentina is where a majority of Italian fascist and Nazi higher command fled to for safety after WW2 and they were openly accepted by the Argentine government. There are entire towns filled with Nazi regalia which have been kept and are glorified by their grandchildren and where only German is spoken because of how intolerant of outsiders they are . When Israeli secret service members were Nazi hunting after WW2 they found the majority of their targets in Argentina. There’s a part of Argentine culture that is proud of the fact it has the smallest non white population in South America.
@@viniciussilveira49 Please, enlighten me how we are racist against Brazil? Pretty much everyone in Argentina loves Brazil and we are one of your favorite tourist destinations as well as you are ours. We do get under your skin in sports, the same way you do to us.
There is a grand total of one player on the France team born in Africa. There are probably numerous Argentinian players with really recent immigrant ancestors. I bet several have European passports. Poor Rose Bertram somehow catching strays as well.
Not recent anymore, its almost dating a century, also getting european passports for south americans is easy if you go to the right country like Italy (5 years or having any ancestor), Spain (2 years) or Portugal (2 years).
MacAllister I think has Scottish grandparents which is where his Ginger hair comes from and the Argentinian squad bullied him till Messi told them to stop
@@karmaascendant3936 Don't misinterpret, no one in Argentina was bullying him for being ginger. He was being told "colo" which is a very common nickname for ginger people in Argentina. Usually used in a good way. He said he didn't like it, and after Messi said hey stop, people stopped. It's not that deep.
Big difference between French passport and French ethnicity
The chant refers to his ex, Ines Rau
the way some ppl are like "oh, they're footballers that didn't finish high school bla bla bla" as a weird way to lessen the AWFUL blow is irritating not only because you can legit hear one of the players tell him to "end the live" meaning that they're very much aware of how badly this reflects on ALL of them if this was ever made public, but a good chunk of them have played abroad for years now. (hell, emi martinez, their gk, has played in england for MAJORITY OF HIS PROFESSIONAL PLAYING CAREER) they just don't care as long as they don't get caught.
its the 1st time i see someone show the correct translation of the song
After reading the lyrics for the first time too, I don't get how it's racist? I mean it just sounds like they were trying to say there's many duo nationals in the France team, which is true because 23 out of the 25 most expensive French players are duo nationals according to transfermarkt. If that's racist, then those people who have a problem with Indonesia playing Dutch players are on the same boat.
@@jeffwang7305 did you watch the video? zealand explained it pretty well
@jeffwang7305 from the comments I've read, this how people view it: French players have different ethnic origins, but since they were born in France, then they are French
I will say that I don't see this chant igniting hatred or any negative view of the French players other than to get under they're skin. The quickest way to achieve that goal (getting under their skin) is to point out their race
@@jeffwang7305 france ladies are still upset after the last world cup, they buy any problem. Colonialist countries talking about racism, yeah cool.
I’m more suprised that the racism was the main focus and not that fact they called Mbappe a “tranny fucker” which is equally as crazy
Brazilian from the south of the country here. Neighbour of Argentina. They flood our beaches every year, and come to football matches in our stadiums. In all of my life, i have seen very few respectful argentinians. They carry their racism as a badge of honor.
You are wrong. Have you seen how the Brazilian police treat us?
I can understand that some are extremely passionate. My best Argentine friends dislike football, they don't care about the sport. They say it's detrimental to their country and their society isn't focused on the main issues that should be a priority, like the economy and security. You can call them out all you want, but they don't care. 😅
@@CrazedFilmz oh, they should treat it worst, if there is one type of nationality that somehow makes you think a police man is in the right, thats a argentinian
I mean, i can say a lot about brazilianfans in our country. A lot to desire, and not only in here, also in Uruguay have bad experiencies with them. But yeah, a lot of people are racist thats a fact
como é bizarro ver os gringos do mundo todo discutindo sobre o que a gente aguenta todo ano quando vamos jogar contra esses caras né mano kkkk
also argentina has so much *white* spanish and italian heritage that the native heritage and features is unrecognizable.. it’s intentional, which is why it’s important
ironically enzo is one of the players who seems to have enough native heritage that he is visibly non-white
wonder why they arent singing it about griezmann who is half german and half something else that i forgot... mhmmm
Half portuguese on his mother's side
Yeah. Definitely no racist intent. 😂
It's important to note that many of the song's defenders claim the lyrics reference the french players' heritage/origins when this is simply not true. The lyrics very clearly claim that the players are actually africa-born and have nothing french about them. It's blatantly racist.
But how is this racist though? Genuine question. Isn't a racist act defined as something that is discriminatory towards people of a certain race? I don't see how this chant is in any way suggesting that black people are inferior or anything of the sort. I can see how it's extremely disrespectful to suggest that those players aren't french, when they absolutely are, but where's the actual racism here? Why the assumption that there wouldn't be a similar chant even if all the players were white? If all those players were white, and there was a chant questioning whether they should/shouldn't be playing for a specific country, would that be racist? My point is, this chant doesn't seem directioned so much at the color of their skin, but at the fact that those players are descendants from another continent - which of course is a silly argument because all of them were born in France. Again, I just don't see how this is racist.
Are we not actively changing the definition of racism nowadays? I just feel like we should be somehow using a different word to describe all of this and not compare this chant to legitimate acts of racism out there, and I find it wrong that people who genuinely believe black people are inferior are getting lumped together with these football players who are just being dumb and chanting some childish stuff to suggest that "hey, this country sucks so hard that they need to recruit their talent from other parts of the world".
The lyrics say nothing about where the players were born
@@lfmm97 the definition didn't change...racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. I'm guessing you just didn't understand or know the definition. The fact that they chose to focus on race inherently made it racist.
They chose to be prejudice towards them therefore this is the only conclusion. Also before you ask how it's prejudice the definition of prejudice is dislike, hostility, or unjust behavior deriving from unfounded opinions.
Every black Frenchman was born in France with the exception of 1 camavinga. By focusing on race they're outright saying they're too black/African to be considered French if you don't understand how that's racist then there's no helping you
@@letti4285it says that there parents are not born in France and so the players aren’t proper French players. Which is blatant racism
@@LM.211 that's a mistranslation, there is nothing in the song that talks about birthplace
What makes the chant racist is they're only targeting black players. Griezmann has a German and Portuguese parent but nothing chanted on him also why randomly chant something anti France when you won the Copa America? What does France have to do with this?
Griezman is from Europe
@@rumblebird9888can you not read. Germany and Portugal are in Europe and Griezmann was born in France
I think the song has just gotten associated with winning a trophy for them. Really weird, like can't they commission a professional to write a new song for every final?
@@rumblebird9888 Are you serious 😐
They were all singing random songs, was part of the party celebration, and there was nothing racist in the song
"Mbappe is running to nowhere" is actually s-tier bants
May I be wrong, but it may be less about Enzo and others, but Argentina as a whole.
There are almost no black Argentinians and some Argentinians are proud of it by saying how their country is "mucho mucho blanco".
Their officials say they came from European ships and Brazilians came from African jungles.
Do I have to add anything more?
People have pointed out how weird it is that Argentina’s probably the only national team in South America with no Black players, at least no major first-team national squad members. Myself included!
Imagine saying a whole country is racist. Literally everyone made fun of the president after he said that. A shit president at that. "Mucho mucho blanco" isn't even a phrase in Spanish, stop inventing bullshit.
@@SuperJNG18It's weird because none of the other south american countries decided to commit a genocide of african slaves in their borders once slavery was abolished. Look it up
"Mucho mucho blanco" isn't even a phrase in Spanish. Stop lying. The entire country isn't racist, stop saying shit to fit your agenda.
@@Dkmo94That’ll do it…
That clip of him celebrating with Fofana is literally "I have a black friend" in video form.
real talk, if we're gonna tell Mexico fans not to chant. . .the thing they chant, the Argentinian team can't do this
They're not the same thing
@@Rossoneri2 you are right, argentinians chants are worse
So that’s why Chelsea seemed to have improve towards the end of the season when a certain some was absent due to injury
I wanted to like Enzo last season but playing him and Caicedo in the same midfield fucked us. We played so much better when he was benched
yeah, the players were being racist with enzo lol
I like how everyone is just ignoring the “tra*** fu***” part 😂😂
that's good banter
Shhhhh
@@zrader1 not really, especially if it uses the slur.
@@vignotum132 the only thing they're right to take the piss out of in that song, racism was uncalled for tho
@zraider No, transphobia is not banter. GTFO
Messi fans just had their lives flash in front of their eyes. Am I evil for wanting Messi there? probably hihihi for the chaos, but on a serious note Enzo should do some serious work on fixing the relationship with his teammates.
Brazilians and Mexicans: how is this news to you?
Hi from Argentina.
We were doing ok, so naturally someone had to do something stupid. Makig this clear first, i think people in Europe has no idea how football culture is here, and maybe in southamerica (but, i haven't been checked). It is not nice. it has a beautiful side, but also a very ugly one.
To me the songs was bad, but, yeah, just bad. it might surprise, but it is so because i have heard many worse things. Football is a popular sport, but often that means a medium for poor people to rise. or free frustration and anger. And many fans do not have a good education. And there is a frontier mentality in which people denigrate others just to be on the good side of the line.
But as strange as it might sound many people just sing the songs and don't think too much about it. They don't have any plan or agenda. Nobody take the songs seriously, maybe they should. But as far as they know there is no damage. There are fans singing derogatory songs that coudl be apply to them easily. Fans talking shit about a country only to cheer for it once a star for that country score a goal for their team.
Just in case someone don't get it, yes, the song is bad.
Now if you ask many argentinias the will tell you, how can France complain? they treat inmigrants like shit and use it only for sport when they are good enough. And say that is the point of ths song. In part is the point, but two seconds of good thought would make you think you shouldn't sing taht because someone might feel bad about it.
But terrible bad, awful songs are not a wird ocurrence, are just main stream in football culture. Very sadly so. And for many good people this is so normalized they won't notice what they are doing.
And it is not gonna change soon, because the economy and society in Argentina is not Europe. Maybe, with time.
Well said, it really does seem more just ignorant and stupid than outright malicious. I'm American but my girlfriend's family is from Argentina so I have some familiarity with the culture there and it does seem to line up with how common references to things like race are. Not that it's right but I think people need to understand it's just not the same as in Europe or the USA. And yeah, it does feel awfully hypocritical from France especially after the incident where Griezmann and Dembele were being openly and maliciously racist to Japanese hotel employees and the French FA did absolutely nothing and everyone has just let them move on from that with almost no consequences.
Really speaks to the character of those responding to this that they're all like "That's racist!"...but the transphobia is fine and not worth mentioning.
A fair number of comments here explicitly defending the transphobia too
Sorry but you can't change your gender
@@thesteelecrusader7778why not?
@@AndySport because biology
@@AndySportShow me a men giving birth
Dumb move obviously, even dumber to broadcast. However, we must remember this all anti-Mbappe thing started because Mbappe declared South Americans and their football to be "less advanced", which Argentines took issue with. Imagine if the roles were reversed or possibly directed at another continent, and we would never hear the end of it. Also, and I know that I'll catch flak for this, but there's somewhat of a point in the song (minus the historical error of Angola, who were a Portuguese colony). I don't think it's necessarily derisive to Africans, but more so to France for not being able to develop their own talent and having to steal players from their former colonies to compete. Obviously the France case is more complex, but it can be viewed as similar to when small oil rich states suddenly naturalize several Brazilians. The point is that France cannot compete legitimately. I think there's a strong case to be made that France, after centuries of subjugating Africans, stealing their natural resources, and then drawing arbitrary border lines and leaving countries in abject poverty and disarray are continuing to steal from these former colonies by way of taking their players. I'm sure the Ivory Coast would love to have some of their players back, but France has pipelines to steal their players due to colonialization. To draw an American parallel, it's a bit like when the rich private school comes in and lures all the best athletes away from the underfunded public schools. So long story short, I think the song is meant to talk bad about France, not the African players they use.
It doesn't matter if it hurt the Argentines or not, it is factually true. France had to play Portugal and Spain white Argentina was playing Canada and Colombia... But if their solution to playing in a weak tournament is to barely win it and then be racist I mean sure, that's one way to handle things lol
@@ShawnBlaque What are you even talking about
“Steal other players from their former colonies”
You mean people coming from French-speaking countries who may also have family already living in France deciding to live in France for economic or political reasons, spending the majority of their lives in France if not outright being born there is somehow “stealing from their former colonies”
I’m an American with ancestors who immigrated from Poland, doesn’t that somehow make me less American?
Yeah maybe Mbappé shouldn’t have said that about South American football, but two wrongs don’t make a right.
And again this was targeted not just at Mbappé but also at the French National Team in general.
Why weren’t their chants about Greizmann being born in Basque Country?
The chants weren’t “Hey, look how cool it is that France has a lot of players of African descent” it was “lol they claim to be French but have parents in Africa”
I’m pretty sure the Argentine National Team weren’t singing a Polemic about the history of French Colonialism and the damage it caused.
@@furrymemelady622 Yes, you managed to hit the nail on the head. Why did those French speaking people move to France for economic/political reasons? Because the French who were there made it to where their home countries could not stand on their own two feet economically or politically. And if you want to bring up your Polish ancestry, then yes it does make you less American. There was a whole race of people here before all of us that I would argue are the true Americans. We all may be Americans on paper, but those who were here first have the strongest claim to being "from here", and I would say the same for people of Italian descent who live in Argentina. But those two comparisons are different to France and its former colonies. Poland was at no point under the rule of the United States, while the places France draws upon were. And while I'm unsure of the Argentine national team's familiarity with French colonial history, we don't really know the intention behind the song. It could really be that they are going after players for being of African descent. But what I think is more likely (given the lyric of "but their passports say French") is the song is saying that France has taken all of these players, given them a passport, and let them play. Obviously the validity of that is questionable, but for some reason everyone seems to have jumped to the conclusion that the Argentine players have a deep seated hatred towards Africans.
3rd generation immigrants singing about 2nd generation immigrants is wild.
With their logic I’d like to congratualte Italy/Spain/Germany on there back to back Copa America wins 🙌🏼
Zealandism only has 49k subs? Jaysus i thought we were pushing 200k here
the only thing pushing here is that forehead towards the ceiling
Soon, in 6 months you can say you were one of the OGs
As a brazilian, it feels good to see the world get a glimpse of argentina's racist culture after reading about it and seeing it year after year. Unfortunately, a lot of the racism experienced within the South American club leagues gets swept under the rug and nothing happens. (Btw their own president said they came from boats and brazilians came from the jungle)
Hypocrite alert! I assume you were never on a stadium of a Copa Libertadores match, right? Everything is good with the Brazilian songs, they are fun too.
@@Jorge-ml4lnAnd your point is?
Brother, i wont sit here and defend no racist, homophobic etc chants. Doesnt matter if someone from my nationality said it, it's wrong.
At the at end of the day it's sad to see that your first response is to point the finger.
@@MatiasPaez-os2hymy man realy said "we make racist jokes but you guys make fun of our economy" think about that a lil bit my brother
Tbh, this wont ever get nowhere. They will never see racism the same way people from countries with black communities see racism. For them it isnt anything that serious to begin with.
Yup us mexicans knew this for a long time they call us indians and think they are better even tho they got no food to eat
Argentinian being Racist ?? NnnOOOooo
The surprise is surprising. The 2nd home of that famous German faction being racist should not be very surprising at all.
Hahahaha tiktok historians... First country USA, second The fkng URSS... But yeah, Argentina "tHe Most racISt coUntrY iN the WorLd" says the American.
@@user-zc2sz1os3jLol Argentina has a racist history but this lazy rhetoric of Argentiba being "le Nazi haven" is over exaggerated pop history especially when far more Nazis fled to the US and the UK
It was the Americans who let nazis fled to the US to help them in science projects
You know those people who say they’re not racist but the moment you have an argument with them they bring up your race/skin colour. Interesting individuals.
Also the Transphobia wasn’t cool either, who gives a shit if Mbappé dated a trans person? that’s his business
I don’t care if you personally wouldn’t date a trans person, don’t call people slurs and act like people who do should be mocked.
the woman wasn't even trans, she had the same name as a trans woman. not that it matters. just crazy that someone even implying that u have sex with trans ppl puts a target on ur back
I wasn’t aware, so I apologize. But yeah, really shouldn’t matter anyway, people are being absolutely unhinged about this.
People who argue in defence of racism don't do it in good faith? Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say. Well, not that shocked.
Funny how Theo or Griezmann never get mentioned in those chants
Latin America does not have the same racial conception as English-speaking or French countries. Our cultures will have similarities but they are different. In Argentina there was no such racial segregation as other countries had. That is why when we talk about nationality we never associate it with a racial aspect. The song is a joke that France needs people of other nationalities to achieve in football.
The fact they aren't even playing france is pretty sus to begin with.
It's a tradition in Argentina to sing against your rival even when you aren't playing against them. If Boca,River or any team wins anything they for sure are going to dedicate more than a couple of songs to their rival team
Like you could literally be playing against a Brazilian team in Libertadores, but Boca will sing about how River got relegated. River is going to sing about how they won in Madrid. And so on and so forth.
I get the river thing though, football rivalries within leagues run very deep. I also understand you beat France in 2022. But it just doesn't seem to be the kind of rivalry that would have you singing this kind of thing after a hard fought win over Colombia, you'd at least think it would be brazil or a true rival. I'm older, I have to fight off saying things that were not considered objectionable all time when I was younger, but I mostly do. People evolve and we must try to keep pace. 😊
@@rogerdiz3520 It's just a combination of things. It being the Messi WC, Mbappe interviews on how Euros are much more difficult, then we really don't have a problem with Colombia to begin with. We do have a song about Brazil obviously. And cultural differences, for us this song is considered "mild" if you compare it to the things we sing against ourselves when club football starts
Anyway, thanks for your reply, I don't know argentine football culture much outside of river and boca. I will make a point of trying to learn more. 😊
And it's even more racist because basically all of argentinian have italian, polish or spanish descends, but that doesn't seem to be something to be chanting about
Then chant about it, see if we care.
We're not french, we don't deny our origins
Nationality is not a race and I percive that a lot of people talking about this topic makes cero efforts to understand what the hell the song is about. It's not about race, the song doesn't mock players for belongin to their respectie races, the song calls out the french players with african heritage because argentinans feel that the african heritage should make french players want to defend their african countries instead of France. In a way argentinians feel offended by the lack of national pride from those players therefor the song resonates with them because the majority of argentinian football fanbase feels that the lack of national pride is something to be ashamed for.
It's not even about the players, it's not that deep. It's banter against France National Team.
As an Argentinian I've gotta say: no, it's not alright, the chant is not ok; if the chant was criticizing France for absorbing these players coming from French colonies (or neo colonies), it would be not only fine, but great; but the chant diminishes the exploited ones, the players coming from poorer backgrounds (plus, a bit of transphobia to add to the mix). And no, I won't apologize in regard of anyone, I haven't sang this shit
Basado.
The majority of french players were born in and around Paris. They’re French. They speak the language, they act French, they grew up in France, and were born in France. From a Frenchman to an Argentine, you have no clue how to define what does and doesn’t make someone French. That’s ludicrous.
It’s like with the US. Nobody is going to say Lebron James or Patrick Mahomes aren’t American because the majority of the country is white.
@@chairmanofrussia I was thinking the same thing: born and raised in France, some of them probably never stepped foot in Africa, yet some would have expected them to play for African countries. How much of an emotional attachment would they even have towards the countries their ancestors came from?
Good to see someone from Argentina standing against this. I’m sure you’re not the only one at all, but it’s been dispiriting seeing so many people defend it as “part of the culture” or some shit like that.
@@chairmanofrussia I think you are missing my point; I'm not criticizing how the players feel, I'm criticizing France and specifically the French government for pushing people into migration, and if they are not famous athletes (or rappers) then they are treated like scum (I mean, Le Penn being this popular is worrying to say the least) no matter how French they feel
Fun fact: Argentina and Uruguay only have that many Copa America titles because Brazil never sent their A team to the tournament between 1950 and 1989. Pelé only play once, when he was 18 yrs.
And now they suck so cry more😂
@@brandonvandijk5736brazil got 5 world cups u guys got handed ur last one by fifa
@@hhhajahahah7424 You're Mexican Argentina owns you're national team.
@@michaelalexander5350Brazil cooks ur over confident football history
Haha volve a tu favela
Nkunku and kounde and fofana in your locker room and you sing it hahaha
Why it's not an surprise? For me(I'm from Brazil), in football, argentians are always like this about brazillians, for example, but it takes a lot of media because was offend Frenchs and the argentinian players are in national team, not in Copa Libertadores, who Conmenbol never punished clubs and players from Argentina
Sorry if my english was bad, but I tried to explain my point
In exactly the same argument as yours, the lyrics are also very offensive to transsexuals as well, no? . .
Yes, it is very common for racists to be homo/transphobic as well
Nah
Yeah, which I haven't seen as many people call out, but the transphobia is still fucked up
Yeah that part is kinda getting overlooked now lol i remember there was some outrage when they first sung it at the world cup but i think that's because the mbappe rumors were more popular. Still stupid regardless.
Unfortunately, homophobia and transphobia is much more deeply ingrained in football culture than even racism.
Enzo is dumb, if you see the way he forced is way out of Benfica it’s clear he is dumb.
Compare it with the Darwin transfer to Liverpool, a world of difference.
can we talk about this though. if france fields 11 players not from france, are they really teh french national team? why should they and some other countries get to benefit from their horrible colonization hundreds of years ago?
They are hypocrites man. Do you remember French players Ousmane Dembele and Griezzman making fun of Japanese handyman in their hotel and getting sponorship revoked by Konami several years ago?
Yes but racism still doesn’t other acts of racism right. Just because they were racist doesn’t mean you should go ahead and be racist too.
Two wrongs don't make a right, dude. Jesus Christ...
@@RavencoarEDM It dosen't. Nevertheless, still ironic
Therefore ? Is racism OK now ? Wonder why Griezmann wasn't part of the chant despite him having foreign parents and a foreign name.
@hydromic2518
Yea but if you did it, it doesn't give you the right to call other people out on it, that called being a hypocrite. You don't deserve to play the moral high ground when you obviously don't believe in it
Even if the racism was acceptable, it's not, imagine being so insecure that your thoughts after winning the Copa America are about France
France living rent free in their heads
Not even in the same tournament I don't get it 🤔
@@Randomaccount9470 Don’t get why many people are arguing this when it’s very common for teams to sing about their rivals literally everywhere. Not just in Argentina, but in Mexico, USA, England, Italy, anywhere
Racism AND transphobia at the same time. How the heck does this happen in 2024.
ive heard people have been saying 2024 might be a crazy year for football. I just didnt know how crazy though.
Some people - quite a lot of Argentinians - kept a bit of decency and know who the perverts are...
shocked that there are people who need this to be explained to them, why it's wrong
what a world to live in & what else people can do for attention purposes lol
A lot of argentinians are ignorant about racism. They just refuse to accept/learn they did something wrong. Source,i was born in argentina.
I don’t think there are tbh. It’s really just bad-faith arguments on Twitter meant to farm engagement. It’s easy to understand why that chant wasn’t okay, it’s just a question of if people care or not
the joke is no where the players come from is the fact that the French National Team can't put together a team so they rely on immigrants cause the french suck at playing.
That's the joke.
If they were all Italian the joke would be how his mother is Venetian, his father is Bolognolesi but in their ID it says "French"
It is also transphobic yet people are ignoring that part
i know right? football is a toxic community
yeah, many media outlets just ignore it while not publishing the actual song
France24 straight up referred to transphobic part of the song as "targeting Kylian Mbappé" (he has/had a transgender girlfriend)
that is the actual bad part of the song, people have not caught up with our transphobia yet
@5.25 I don't know what lamentable means in French, but in English ... it just means lamentable
Well everyone make fun of france having no french descent players, its like having access to the whole continent of players while other countries are limited by their borders
Is it possible they are more mocking that france has to rely on players of African descent, rather than picking on the colour of their skin?
The comments about Mbappe are obvs personal and offensive, so it likely isn't. I just wonder if we are jumping to conclusions.
argentina Rulez
PS: dont go Listen to the french foreign legion anthem ,
As an argentinian, I'm gonna be honest: we are way more about discrimination by social status than by race, but when we are insulting someone, we used every visual thing at disposal even if we don't think it really. We throw race slurs or bodyshame a lot, and most of the time it isn't really about the insult we are saying, but mostly out of pettiness/anger.
Not saying you should tolerate that, but most of us can't even perceive what is the issue, this kind of aggresion is absolutely common. Hell, anyone could get a couple of race slurs or bodyshaming attacks just by accidentaly annoying someone on the supermarket. Not saying that it will happen everyday or something like that, but it could easily happen. Violence is totally ingrained in our culture
3:06 how about i write a song it’s called How did the Argentines eyes become BLUE
"All of France's players are descendants of immigrants" - says man with the surname Fernandez in South America
How does it come that both European and Copa Champions are utterly Racist (Argentina) and Nationalistic (Spain (Gibraltar is Spain)) at the same time...
The whole world is falling to the right at the moment. Scary times
Most football players were once football holligans.
Cope and seethe communist@@ninjalectualx
Also surly that excuse would work better if he sang it after the World Cup final, when they beat France and not when they beat Columbia in the coppa America
just a casual reminder of what Argentina thinks of black people
"In 1996, during a diplomatic trip to the United States, when asked about the black population of Argentina, President Carlos Menem remarked: "Black people do not exist in Argentina, we do not have this problem"."
Sounds like the most generic 1996 statement lol you gotta try a bit harder, USA politicians have said much worse
@@WookieWarriorz and USA only ended their aparthaid in the 80s, what is your argument you neanderthal, both countries are a paragon of racism, both are terrible. are you trying to say racism is OK because there is ppl more racist than the other racist guy here and actually clapping at yourself for such a' '' amazing argument'', what a joke
That's what one person thinks of the Black population. In the US, when slavery was allowed, the majority of presidents owned slaves. In the Early 1900's, numerous immigration laws were made to dehumanize and keep out immigrants from entering the country. Even today, Donald Trump continues to make remarks against Muslims and Mexicans and advocates for legislation to wall them out.
I don't condone racism, but to propose the idea that one person or a group of people can represent the majority of a population is wrong and is the root cause that promotes stereotypes. Do N*zi marches in Nashville, Miami, Madison, all across the USA represent the ideas of the entire nation?
@@WookieWarriorz No actually the general population believed in black people even in 1996 lol yes USA was also very racist, but that doesn't make Argentina less racist unfortunately that's not how it works.
Y si no hay negros, querés que los importen como francia?
I can assure you Enzo is to a major degree oblivious to what the chant implies. Does it make it less offesnive? Nah. Still is bullshit. He is uneducated and in this particular topic should make an effort to fix that.
Yeah my take is it really just feels stupid and ignorant as opposed to outright malicious. He still should know better though
Man, South America has come out of this tournament looking really, really, really bad.
The USA had a really mediocre security at the stadiums, completely destroyed fields, and an idiotic half time show. But somehow, it’s a South America problem, because of a song. You must be really smart.
@@mustard96Conmebol is at fault for the half time show and the security 😂 keep lying to yourself
@@mustard96 conmebol was in charge of that. Do your research
Westerners are masters of doing the most egregiously nasty stuff possible, then claiming theyve "changed their ways" while still doing that stuff under the table, then becoming extremely sensitive about said stuff to the point they get offended by anything even slightly associated with it, the misinterpreting other cultures and harrassing them over supposedly doing said stuff, then repeating step 1. And I say this as a non south american westerner. Just insane hipocrisy and lack of accountability or ability to respect other cultures.
The stupidest thing about the “hrrrrr why is everyone so easily offended these days?” crowd is that they’re the same people who had a collective month-long meltdown when Bud light showed a trans person drinking their favourite brand of piss-water…
The fact that everyone has just conviently ignored the blatent transphobia in the song is also very telling of football culture
When, long ago,
the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image
Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts
were next designed;
Yet they were too remote
from humankind.
To fill the gap,
and join the rest of Man,
Th'Olympian host
conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought,
in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and
called the thing a Тrаnnу.
Воо hоо․ Υоu саn’t dеnу bаѕіс humаn bіоlоgу‚ rеtаrd․
There’s only XY, XX chromosomes, you product of siblings
Oh, cry me a river! Because clearly, the entire human race should abandon fundamental biological science just to indulge your little fantasy.
@@JuMa-m9i Scientist here, you’re wrong! XX and XY are not the only 2 genotypes people are born with.
There are actually _plenty_ more combinations - which in-turn leads to many different phenotypes (how you present physically/outwardly).
I’d suggest against ‘using’ [trying to use] science if you’re transphobic, because science is not on your side here
that roadrunner chant might have legs
Ain’t really surprised cuz their grandgrand Pappy’s probably from Germany
5:18 by the way lamentable is the same word in french as in English it just means something that is shameful, pitiful, deplorable, sad etc
1.5% of Argentinians are native.
Exactly. A guy with the last name Fernandez in Argentina should maybe shut up about the origin of French players
Argentina is a country founded by Europeans, inhabited by Europeans. By the same logic you could conclude that the English are not actually native to England because they replaced the native Celts.
@@benlonghurst7777 Argentina is a new world colony. At a time when European contries were etno states ( citizenship was tied to etnicity), the newly independend contries of America viewed citizenship as a choice. Immigration was fundamental for the creation of these nations.
@@kevindunn2663 I mean Enzo does look like he has some native ancestry but still a large part of his ancestry is obviously European. Though he could be 100% indigenous and that still wouldn't be ok
I came up with a cracking Anti-France diss song which involved swimming in the Seine because they have poo ball skills, thinking their league is great when no one can watch it and how Mbappé has left the country, but it was set to the tune of "Do Your Ears Hang low" which I then googled and thought maybe I shouldn't do that.
I think what is even dumber is that they didn't beat France to win the Copa America. So why are you even singing a song about them? It's dumb as hell. Qatar was two years ago guys.
If Argentina are allowed to go back in time then France should also be allowed to remind them when they destroyed Argentina in 2018
Because it's probably one of their lockeroom anthems.
He is ok broadcasting it because he is comfortable with that kind of talk
Alexis Macalister, an Argentine with famously Argentinian heritage, should feel hella awkward that his teammates sung that shit
Don't you mean Scottish heritage?
@@gaffer2602 I thought it was Irish
@@thesteelecrusader7778 you both failed at detecting sarcasm / irony
allegedly the rest of the team would make fun of him for being ginger and Scottish to the point Messi had to tell them to knock it off
@@thesteelecrusader7778 it's both
bro they beat comlombia and started talking shit ab france wtf
The chant is literally not racist... its not factually incorrect to point out that many players on the french team arent from france. Sure, theyre allowed to play for france, but the french national team essentially shops around countries in africa and takes their best players. Not at all does it mention race, and its not saying that its bad to be african, its saying that the french team is cherry picking players from other countries. Not at all racist
Disregarding the racism, remind me, how many native Argentinians are there on the Argentinian national teams.
Listen imma be real, I don't see what's racist here. Think about the lyrics, they state that many French people are not ethically French... Which is true these days. The only thing that is to be argued is whether the lyrics about mbappe are ok or not. This chant does not entice any bad behavior against Africans nor does the chant name any stereotypes about Africans. In short, people are spinning the narrative because they can not because of any real substance in the chant. That's my take on this
First of all it is racist because it is implying all of France’s black players are African, which they are not, which implies that all black people are African or that all Africans are black. Secondly what makes someone ethnically French? If you are born in France, grew up in France, speak French, learnt French history, went to French schools, eat French food, etc wouldn’t that make you French?
just so you know, "ethnicity" is defined as "belonging to a group". So if they have French Passports, they're Ethnically French. And if you don't agree with that, go argue with the dictionary. But saying people "aren't ethnically French" when they ARE is...... wait for it.... most likely racism. And when every person on the list is Black. Well that really simplifies things doesn't it?
@@hydromic2518 but is the chant really implying everyone who is French being African? I mean sure, they are not stating that only some of French players descend from Africa. But neither is it vice versa, as I see it. They are poking "fun" at the amount of Africans in the French team, which I guess can be seen as offensive but it is a fact that France has many immigrants no matter if you find the chant offensive or not. (the word you is meant as in anyone). Regarding the being French part. There is a difference between being French and being ethnically French. If you speak French, work in France and love France, you a Frenchman. But that does not make you ethnically French. The thing I genuinely believe we humans have a problem with is that we seek a solution to things that have no solutions. Africans will always be Africans genetically, ofc only until they mate with non Africans, then after generations some genetics will disappear. But regardless, no matter skin color we are all human. Though the fact that some people will have a prejudice towards skin color or ethnicity is something that will always exist. Rivalry has been a part of the human history forever. And that rivalry is created by all types of reasons. From religion, to race, to disbutes of inventions, etc
@@xandermind3590 They literally say all the players on the team are from Angola. Also these players are not African. I am from South Africa, I doubt they speak any African languages, or are aware of African culture and history other than what some of their parents might have told them. And also if what I said doesn’t make someone French then Griezmann isn’t French either. Genetics don’t vary much between people. We share 99% of our DNA and genetics would have no factor in making you African or European or Asian. You cannot simply look at someone’s genes and know they are French or Turkish or whatever. You could maybe say they have a higher chance of being part of a specific group of people but this wouldn’t tell you much about their identity. Finally just because racism or discrimination is a difficult thing to stop doesn’t mean we should allow it. Pedophilia is hard to control but no one would say we shouldn’t do everything possible to stop it
They say that the french players are all from africa (angola). How do you derive to that conclusion? Because the majority of players are of a different colour Discrimination based on race is racism
Im just waiting for CONMEBOL to blame the bus company this.
Ironic part here is that Enzo himself with half of team by their own standards aren't Argentine and are unfit to wear the jersey due to their European ancestry.
It’s so simple. You can be proud of your heritage. That’s not racist. What’s racist is disqualifying someone’s nationality based on their heritage. Not that hard to wrap your head around
Nationality is based on ethnic heritage. Kurds don't have a country, but they do have a nation.
Just because someone has citizenship of a country doesn't make them part of the nation.
Good thing that the original chant hasnt come to light.
ESCUCHEN, CORRAN LA BOLA...
Decis el de chicago? Jajajajajaajaja
O "Que feo ser bostero y boliviano" ese me estalla (y soy de Boca)
@@ilovenovels seee
mientras no vean el facebook de enzo esta todo bien
A clip of him celebrating with a black team mate being proof of him not getting racist reminds me of Emre's agent saying he's not racist because Obafemi Martins is his best friend.
Brought to you by the country that openly brags about being settler colonials ("we come from the ships") and the Kyle Rittenhouse Cultural Center
Reminds me of the situation with germany after 2014 with the word "Gaucho" dropped in a song during the welcoming home to Germany in a stage.
Some people just don't even understand that there is only one living human race "homosapiens"
WHAT ABOUT NASCAR??
Nascar is woke, they turned too far left
That is a species, not a race.
@@cachosimpson7044 "Homosapiens" is a human race, humans are a species
@@jaggillarananas2618 No, Homo sapiens is a species. Amerindian, mongoloid, negroid, those are races.
Argentine Government's Sub-Secretary of Sports calling AFA and Messi to make a public apology for this on FM Radio.
The Argentine Presidents fires him for telling the National Team what they should do
Dumpsters fire keeps on giving xD
For anyone wondering, a little bit of context about why the hell did the players sing a song about France after winning the Copa América. It's a tradition in Argentina to dedicate your wins to your rivals with songs, memes and the usual trolling
So for example, If Boca, River or any team wins anything they'll sing a song (probably more than one) dedicated to their life long rivals. Even while the match is being played against a totally unrelated team (could be a Brazilian side in Libertadores) Boca's supporters will sing about how River got relegated, River's will sing about how Boca lost in Madrid, Independiente about how they got 7 Libertadores and Racing only 1, so on and so forth
Obviously it’s wrong in so many ways, but you think they targeted mbappe because 1) he scored a hatty in the wcf against them and 2) he said conmebol and South American football isn’t as developed
The fact that France weren't in the Copa America....... 😂
You are never going to fix this in latin america. These things are not seen as an issue here, if someone in a group of friends has a darker skin, everyone in the group will call him "negro" (black), if you have slightly smaller eyes, "el chino" etc etc.. is part of the culture. Not defending it, just explaining how people see things in latin america, probably people in Argentina found it funny..
This also happens in Mexico as well
what?? so a black person gets called black in latin american? what is this madness who would have thought it!
@@tomatoisnotafruit5670 I didn't say a black person, learn to read
@@sownyp9980 yes you did, how do you say black in spanish, oh right "negro" lmao, that is not a racist word, that's literary the word for the color black.
@@sownyp9980and we call whites gringo/gringa
But it's different to call black French players not French,while griezman is German and Portuguese but doesn't get mentioned,see the difference ?
Argentine fans have repeatedly sang racist chants and made racist shit in Libertadores games. It’s goes very deep in their country. “Mexicans came from Indians, Brazilians came from the jungle, Argentines came from boats”.