In my opinion, animus magic doesn’t take the soul, but the idea of it does. The idea of all the things you could do with it is what makes you evil. The simple, quick, easy solutions to problems without having to do any work is what causes the horridness in a lot of dragons, because they can stop anything bad happening to them and give themselves a perfect life, that leads them to feel entitled and important, like they are more valuable than anyone else and deserve better than anyone else. This also leads them to do immoral things, as they don’t view other dragons as being like them and having their own lives and families, but as lesser beings, which leads them to become selfish.
Hm… do you think this could reason with qibli’s intrusive thoughts or jerboa IIIs fantasies. They can do anything and have a perfect life, leading them to be selfish, and entitled.however, they did limit themselves for the sake of others. It’s great. But I think you are right…
I love how Prosecutor JMA has a more sophisticated voice than usual like Prosecutor Edgeworth has, while Defense JMA sounds more casual like Phoenix Wright
Animus magic does not corrode the soul!!!!!! Yes, there are cases where animus dragons have turned horrifically evil. But those are from the decisions they made. The night wings were scared of Darkstalker not because of his animus abilities as what he did with them. They explained how he was evil because he killed his own father and tried to overthrow the queen, but those were his actions and what he did with the animus magic he had. Jerboa wanted a perfect daughter and started of normal but got carried away and her fate was sealed when Jerboa 3 trapped her in that paralyzingly ice underground. Jerboa 3 did that because she discovered all the terrible adjustments her “mother” made to her. In talons of power, turtle tells anemone that his theory is that animus magic isn’t what turns you evil, it is the actions and steps you take to become more evil. When Albatross said that animus magic turns the soul evil in the Darkstalker book, he couldn’t have known that much amount the ability since there weren’t that many animuses and it was far in the past before much research or experiments could or would have been done. Animus magic is not evil
Also, my theory is it's what you do with animus magic is the things that make you evil, so for example, if you started a plauge THAT destroys the soul, but if you stop a genocide, that doesn't destroy the scroll. I also thing that the soul can be built again, and no matter what you tell me... ALBATROSS IS THE FRENCH REVOLUTION.
Before getting into this properly (only 0:42 in) I want to give my own thoughts... When we see animus magic's 'corruption' its rarely actually twisting of an individual's mind. It's just an individual choosing to make bad decisions and seems to be implied that Animus magic itself isn't the problem. Darkstalker wasn't corrupted because he used magic, he was corrupted cause he was a selfish cruel dictator of his own choosing. Anemone wasn't being tainted, she was choosing to use her magic selfishly Animus magic doesn't corrupt, rather the natural progression of someone of human or dragon nature with that power will eventually use it for more and more selfish means. Never realizing their actions are immoral till it is too late and they've become a cruel, selfish dictator who refuses to improve themselves.
And with the right course of action, animus magic could be literally god tier useful. I mean imagine! You could educate entire continents! I could give them all that same emotion spell Anemone used to show people that everyone deserves respect, kindness, and care. If they knew how bad things were for certain people, or what their actions caused, along with a solution provided, they'd likely fix things.
When talking about animus dragons going evil I don’t think exactly using the magic is what automatically turns you evil. I think it’s just the idea that you can do anything. I mean even if your the nicest person in world, the ability to literally shape the world around you, make entire dragons, make everyone like you or fear, or kill an entire continent with the snap of your fingers, how do you not start seeing the world as a video game. Something you can reset and change at will. Being an animus is like being on creative mode for dragons, you can literally do anything. You lose your self due to that unlimited power because why would you care about anything when you could literally alter anything that displeased you. I’m just saying if anyone in the real world had animus magic, humanity wouldn’t last a week.
Personally, I think that some random dragon way back in the past, before Diamond and her shenanigans, was scared of animus magic, so they went to his tribe’s animus and told him fake stories of other animi going crazy and killing everyone. Later this was spread due to trade and eventually reached the Queen’s at the time, which they called a council about it. During this council they basically did something like this, but the Prosecution won and fear was distilled into the hearts of dragons. Animus dragons were probably persecuted and disappeared from the face of the planet. It was this story that then traveled through time, and the Skywings said, “no we are not having them.” and then the Icewings said,” okay one spell per life to benefit the whole tribe,” meanwhile everyone else was like “meh” except Nightwings. They decided no more animus magic, and killed descendants and relatives of their animus(s) to completely rid their tribe from ‘the dangerous’ effects of magic. This was how the Nightwings had no animus dragons at the time of Arctic and Foeslayer. So all this talk about loosing a soul? All physiological. You know it’s funny what a fear can do to people, and dragons for that matter.
yes, and to support your statement there was a completely different book “The Invalid’s Story” by Mark Twain, the narrator was healthy before the train journey. However, due to his mistaken belief that he was traveling with a corpse (which was actually a box of rifles and a block of Limburger cheese), his health deteriorated12. The narrator’s imagination and the stress of the situation led him to believe he was ill, which eventually resulted in actual physical illness12. Two years after the train ride, he resigned himself to imminent death13. This story is a powerful illustration of the potential impact of mental stress on physical health. EDIT : in other words, it can actully be all phycological after all the two men in this story got physicly sick because of it. ANOTHER EDIT: THIS IS MY CONVERSATION WITH AN AI ABOUT THIS TOPIC YAY! :this is what i said :i think it is a phychological thing since the dragons think it does that it can make them go insane. for exaple like how in the invaids story he got physicly sick because he thought it was a real corpse WHAT AI SAID ABOUT IT :Your interpretation aligns with a psychological phenomenon known as the “nocebo effect,” where negative expectations or beliefs lead to negative outcomes. In “The Invalid’s Story” by Mark Twain, the characters’ belief that they were in the presence of a corpse led to physical illness. Similarly, in the “Wings of Fire” series, if dragons believe that using animus magic will corrupt their souls, this belief could potentially lead to negative psychological effects, which could manifest as “insanity” or other forms of distress. This is a fascinating perspective and a testament to the power of belief and expectation. It’s a reminder that our perceptions and beliefs can significantly influence our experiences and outcomes. Well done on drawing this parallel! 👏
I think it all comes down to the intent behind the spell you're casting. I don't think animus magic itself is corruptive, however I do think it is a very addictive entity. We see it play out with Darkstalker, where he became so desensitized to using magic on a whim that he had to be told on multiple occasions genocide was an amoral solution. Jerboa also had zero self-control, and having the power to back it up certainly wasn't helping her. So, just because you're a "nice person" with a "pure soul" and "good intentions" doesn't mean you can use it all willy-nilly and you'll be fine; it's a very slippery slope, and even the best intentions can inadvertently lead you down a dark path if you disregard the risks. Qibli recognized this, and it played a big part in his refusal to become an animus himself.
A moral compass you set with that magic would be a good way to prevent anything bad before it even starts. Perhaps and advisor to show you the consequences of your actions and how to better them without the use of magic. When played right and in as few spells as possible, this could still work.
One thing that the books mentioned a lot is that the size and the scope of the spell seems to affect the curse. For example, the seawing palace had to be grown from scratch, carefully designed and refined, while many spells (like enchanting a piece of jewelry) are far smaller. So while absolute power corrupts absolutely, it could also be that more powerful spells can corrupt more powerfully
DarkStalker wasn’t obviously corrupted by his magic till his life, the one he had known and wanted since forever, began to fall apart. He was how young? And had so many things put on him. Honestly, he made the bad choices, and his mind never went “oh nooo.. I’m slipping... rAaHh inSanItY..”, it just gradually showed him giving into his lust for power, one that had always been there technically (His hatching, for example.) Yet I believe none of us can blame him as it wasn’t his fault. It was his upbringing and the fact the only few people grounding him were either taken by him, or fought against him. (And if you wanna make an argument about “how many spells = how bad an animus is”, compare Arctic’s spells and Turtles. Turtle never made bad decisions with his magic, because he wasn’t originally a “bad animus”. Sure some were beneficial but they were either harmless or for the greater good. Arctic originally was just desperate for a way out and it caused him to make bad decisions, the guilt from them all and the anger at himself for doing such things (+ the anger at his tribe and the Night’Wings), caused him to spiral and he once again, became desperate. Kind of the same situation with Jerboa 1, right? Except she had never been afraid of what could happen, hence the much overuse.)
The magic itself I don’t believe actually turns dragons evil. Let me use turtle as a example. Turtle is one of the few animus dragons who did not turn evil yet he cast 25 spells and some dragons simply casted seven. Well I have a theory, Turtle was always a very nervous and cautious dragon ever since he believed he failed his father and his entire kingdom. That caution that has still stuck with him to this day makes him a amazing candidate for an Animus. Ever since he smacked Chameleon’s nose and broke it with a book he’s always been more nervous then ever with his mind flashing the image of his powerful he felt. Yet there was always this nagging anxiety of losing his soul since he found out he was an Animus. That stuck with him each time he cast a spell there was a moment of hesitation and fear that he would become what tribes feared most a deranged Animus. Yet he made it a point to be cautious with his magic his whole life and didn’t use it to just get rid of dragons or make his worries disappear. Meanwhile Darkstalker as soon as he made the spell that allegedly saved his soul he didn’t care he could do whatever he wanted and his soul would be fine in his mind. But what I’m thinking is the spell did nothing because Animus magic doesn’t take away your soul in the first place. Darkstalker knew he could do whatever he wanted to any dragon he wanted and that power drove him to want to be the king of the Nightwings. It’s why he killed his father because he felt his soul would be fine. But at that moment each time he did something violent or just plain evil he was losing part of his soul not because of the magic itself but because of the power he felt during it. The end! Sorry for a long one I got wrapped into it
I’ve never really thought that it was casting spells that made them evil. A lot of the dragons that went evil were in a toxic environment, where competition was always shown to be the key to success. And animus magic was a super easy way to win. If they keep winning with animus magic, why stop using it? If you’re on top, why listen to the concerns of anyone else? You can see that happen with dragons who aren’t animus, too. Not always a villain, but being mean and manipulative ended up getting them high on the chain of command (Queen Wasp, Morrowseer, Queen Scarlet…).
Agreed I think it is a combination of power corrupting and trauma think about it a lot of these bad animus dragons have trauma even jerboa was tortured by Queen scorpion as for the power corrupting in other cases there is queen wasp as you mentioned I think she is an interesting example she was insane and paranoid snowfall could have become like her as you learn in snow fall's vision she did what she did because she thought the leaf wings and silk wings were dangerous and went crazy
I wasn’t expecting to see JMA as a defense attorney, but now that it’s happening I better hear him say “OBJECTION!” at the top of his lungs at least one- 2:06 *YEEESSS!!!*
Yess I'm glad someone actually went in depth about it I disliked how everyone just shrugged their shoulders and said that it probably did because the books said so. I always believed that it was just the way they used it that used it.
I don't think animus power corrupts a _soul_ Animus power is a shortcut You take it once, you see how easy it is, you do it again. You see a problem, you fix it. And if that problem is your father. Well, you know what happened to Arctic.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely." This is great. Thank you for this video, I loved it. This is one of the greatest arguments, and few haven't heard it. I love arguing about this, I think it actually doesn't. It's the choices they make, the feeling of power. Something might've helped them on this path. For example, I will use Albatross and Darkstalker. "You'll always be mine." Albatross was pushed so far by his sister, Queen Lagoon, by the threat of being replaced, the teasing, the just absolute mean comments, it tipped him off. He couldn't take it anymore. Darkstalker. The fact that he felt threatened by Indigo. He thought - he knew - he could've been killed, right then and there. He started to feel insecure, causing him to enchant himself to be invulnerable. By doing this, he noticed you could enchant actual dragons. He wanted to experiment. The feeling of power, it drove him in the wrong path. He made himself invulnerable. He stopped any dragon against him. He felt that what he was doing at the time would all be perfectly fine, because the future he saw was 'perfect'. A simple spell - to stop his love from seeing the dark, dangerous futures so that they could be happy now. Together. It made life easier. Small things like this, is what I think drove him too far.
I know that the books lean more in the direction of animus magic not being inherently evil, but I kind of like the idea of evil animus magic...? I know it's not as provocative and doesn't really fit the theme of the books (the power of choice), but I think animus magic is overpowered as hell and needs some sort of nerf 😅 Also, in my opinion, evil animus magic is more threatening and mystical. I mean, it's frightening to watch a character like Darkstalker or Jerboa I gradually become corrupt due to obsessing over their magic, but what's at stake for characters like Turtle or Fathom? We know they're good, and they know they're good, so there isn't really any weight to any of the spells they perform. Knowing that each little spell could drive you insane just sounds more interesting and scary to me 🤷♀️ So I agree that the books intend animus magic itself to be neutral (I'm pretty sure Turtle even outright states that at some point), but I tend to prefer the idea of evil animus magic.
In my opinion I say that it has no effect on the soul since in Darkstalker, Darkstalker was literally looking into the future where he got everything and didn’t care what he had to do to get it. He even tried enchanted a piece of jewelry, so Clearsight would look into the good futures and not looking to the bad futures. I say he was corrupted by the idea that he could do anything
I actually wanted the trial to continue. Lol I think it is true that it is more the corrupting influence of magic, but given how OP it is, it is the most morally dangerous power you can wield in the setting.
I think it’s the choices of other dragons around the amiuses like when Indigo attacked Darkstalker that’s when started to go mad and when Albtross was abused for things he started going mad.
Another theory is that most animus dragons that have gone evil, have had some sort of trauma. For example, I personally think Arctic wouldn’t be such a bad father if he didn’t go to Nightwing island just to figure out that the Nightwings were going to use him. If Arctic and Foeslayer moved to an island together, that would most likely lead to a happier family with probably no evil Darkstalker. Another example is Albatross, who knew he was giving away his soul to help people only to be overlooked by the queen. That’s most likely why he attacked the Seawings at their banquet. Overall, I do think it’s a dragon’s past life that influences them turning evil. As well as that, a dragon’s actions affect them as well. They could beleive they are good, but do bad things. Like Darkstalker.
Verdict: moral skill issue Fr tho, the ambiguity of animus magic’s effects on the soul works very well as a plot device to reveal a character’s motivations and ambitions. It would be neat to have a definite answer though
@@JadeMountainArchive Meh it sounds about right. If one goes in with the most analytical and humane goals and desires with the knowledge to operate it, stuff could get done much better than some irrational, last minute big spell.
also in jerboas case you gotta consider the "living forever" part, a mortals mind was never designed to live that long, as shown by how her sanity deteriorates over the centuries
your soul only gets damaged if you use animus magic for something selfish or to directly harm someone else like using it to enchant a rock to pound another dragon's head or to turn a plant into gold for yourself
I'd view logical convincing to be a better way to get through things. Perhaps one could enchant themselves to have sort of second voice that would feed them knowledge and exist to serve the user while providing moral and intellectual guidance. Sort of an AI helper for diplomacy. That'd get you pretty far, not to mention that telekinesis could allow you to create new islands for people to live on, resources to use, and knowledge to spread.
Defense Jade: “OBJECTION! Wait! Sorry-wrong franchise.” Literally killed me. Best objection ever. This was a great topic to take to court and I agree with the outcome.
I think it’s the choices you make that affect how you use animus magic and if you’re good or evil. A lot of things go into this: your upbringing, how people treat you, and how you view animus magic and how you think you should use it.
I agree with the defense. Evil can definitely erode someone's soul, more than magic ever could. There's another piece of evidence for this in book 10, where in the ravine, Qibli tells Darkstalker that it's his actions that have made him evil, not his magic. Note that this comes after the soul reader is used AND Darkstalker protects himself from the effects of animus magic. And with the fact that Queen Diamond used her magic only four times and yet still went insane is more proof. I rest my case.
I would also like to state that animus magic does corrupt turtle for a moment. In talons of power, turtle thinks about how he beat chameleon with a scroll and when turtle looks down at his talons, he sees them covered in blood and shakes them until they look like his own talons again. He also says that chameleon deserved to be beat because of he did to kinkajou, which anemone later says that whirlpool deserved to die- just like how turtle said that chameleon deserved to get hurt- and anemone turned corrupted. But anemone did cast as much spells as turtle and she got almost fully corrupted while turtle thought a evil thought once.
Like he said absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have infinite power you are placed with choices far beyond anything you could have imagined. That gives you an even amount of good and bad decisions. Unfortunately the great Darkstalker and Jerboa 1 fell victim to the vast greatness of bad decisions and how they would give you more power in turn. It’s not the magic it’s the dragon 🤷♀️ Loved this video keep up the good work!
Honestly, I've always been convinced that animus magic never actually corrupts the soul, whether, tragic backstories and unfair treatment leads to animus(es?) poor judgement and decisions. After thinking about Fathom, Turtle and Orca, though, I've altered this point as to just blame their own actions, which maybe influenced via their dark pasts but aren't the direct cause of it. Stonemover's case has gotten me thinking though. If there is no curse, then how in Pyrrhia did his spell work? As the defense has stated, maybe it is misunderstanding but what if it wasn't? What if Stonemover originally wanted himself to become stone so he couldn't hurt anyone with animus magic, but seeing as how unreasonable the Nightwings would see this, he made the excuse to convince them otherwise. Note: He said that he was being used in the war and had committed several crimes. There is no real evidence that those words were the ones he uttered when he cast the spell, and, as persecution Jade said, the theory of corrupted souls has been around for millennia, obviously he could use that against others. Thorn has stated the Stonemover is smart as well, due to his help with his time with her, so this wouldn't be too complex for him. Now, believe what you want but in summary; animus(i?) actions defy their fate, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The curse is probably some tall tale dragon ancestors created to get a grasp of their world and now everyone just believes it. That is my case, I yield my time to the chair. (im so sorry for the long paragraph jma i just had to get my thoughts out)
I don't believe animus magic directly affects the dragons soul, but rather the sheer knowledge of their nearly limitless power they have drives most of them to corruption. Literally after watching this I was walking around ranting about this for QUITE a while. Ah, the joys of theorizing.
I'd say that it would just take a lot of premeditation and planning to make a good spell work. It'd require collaboration, knowledge, and addressing every possible issue. One could simply enchant themselves with a god tier level of knowledge and immediately know how best to help the world with no murder, mind control, or threats to speak of.
My vote's with the defence. One of the most prevalent themes throughout all of WoF is that everyone has a reason for the things they do, be it good or bad. Animus dragons, for all their power, are just as susceptible to cultural and personal influences as anyone else. Take Albatross for example. The history scrolls treat his committing the Seawing massacre as a result of his animus magic corrupting an otherwise happy and stable dragon. 'Darkstalker' however reveals that he suffered a lifetime of abuse and humiliation at the talons of his sister Queen Lagoon. Her making it clear that she planned to replace him with Fathom proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. His animus magic wasn't the cause of his downfall; it simply gave him the means to act on the anger and resentment that had been building up over the years.
omg thank you so much!! This is one of the classic wings of fire questions and topics. Really love that you went into depth with it, and I love the whole court theme! great video JMA!!!
Love the video intro lol. I'm really glad you made a video addressing this topic! I've always wondered if it really is animus magic in general that turns dragons evil or if there are certain conditions in place to do so. Gosh, the lore of WoF is really interesting.
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If we take a page from the Starwars animus (Force) users the Jedi and Sith, the power these individuals wield knew one could fall to absolutism of the force so they used a tactic so when the group were experiencing this, they sent individuals who fall too close to one side to have them feel the opposite forces they are falling to abd which returns them to a balance again. From this logic, we can say that the Force and Animus powers are by action and that the individual's choice will judge the path they take, just like we humans take the words "Good vs Bad, Hero vs villain" we define them by the actions we take and what made them go through with their paths they made, so my point stands that only action can be made to set dragons to either Good or Bad, Hero to Villain, and Wise to Intellect.
I believe it was Turtle who pointed out that animus magic itself doesn't make one evil, but rather the act of casting spells gives one the power to become evil. I think this is a good take on the topic and ties in the whole absolute power thing as well.
I’m honestly conflicted on either view, and I honestly am fine with Animus Magic eating away at the soul or not. If it does, it shows that having such fantastical power comes at a terrible price. But I also think Dragons who become too comfortable with Animus magic, like Darkstalker, Jerboa, or Anemone become too used to using their magic, and use it to solve any problem, which leads to them developing a dependence on their powers, and thus, a god complex. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely after all.
i mind add this, personally i think animus magic makes you THINK you are evil. turtle knew about the curse, but later in talons of power he talks about how animus magic wont make you insane if you, for lack of a better term, believe you aren't insane. At that point, anemone was insane, but after the fight, she had redeemed herself, now knowing about this curse. and perhaps this is why stone mover's scales got medusa'd. the curse doesn't make you insane, but makes you believe you are insane. as true power corrupts truly, true belief (of one's self) effects truly.
I never expected this video to be set in a court, I liked the idea a lot! And I'm always happy to see your dragon OC interact with different expressions! So cool!
In my opinion, saying that it was the magic eroding the souls leads to a less satisfying message overall, I feel that the more satisfying underlying message to be taken from this is that absolute power gone unchecked can corrupt a person. Also, I like that prosecutor Jade seems to almost have a deeper voice
nice video! i really loved it. anyway, on with my vote. I’d have to agree with Defendant JMA. I’ve seen it a lot, usually they’d turn evil not because of the erosion, but because the power goes to their heads. Just like in 8:03 , where Jerboa III realizes she can use her magic for these selfish choices. If she did those spells, the power would most likely get to her head, and she would turn out, “evil.” This is my argument, though there is more proof to back this up.
I think it erodes the soul a bit sense turtle feels himself getting less cautious about his magic but that could be him just getting more scared of his magic in a way. And the way u set up this video had me laughing good job
My theory is that the temptations of unlimited power makes a dragon evil, like in talons of power Turtle was waiting for the right moment but when he 'failed' he lost hope in Animus magic
Maybe its just pride, like the sin. The fact that they don't have any limits, they think they're so powerful, not being scared anymore, cuz they're unstoppable. Wow, you make statistics and stuff that I would label boring so fun. Keep up the good work!
My theory was always that (and I heard it was confirmed) that animus magic doesn’t actually steal your soul, it only turns you evil if you make bad choices with it, like Stonemover (but he reversed the curse) and Darkstalker. Anemone was fine because she didn’t make many bad decisions with her magic.
I actually think Turtle is a better example of "being fine", as I believe Anemone is (or at least was) actually slipping, if slowly, into a more "evil" state. I don't think she is fully evil, but she definitely isn't as innocent as she was in, say, book 2. Remember that sweet, gentle little dragonet? Now fast forward to, say, books, well, pretty much 6-10. NOT QUITE AS INNOCENT. Even AFTER the whole Darkstalker instance, she still never fully went back to the way she used to be. Since she accidently killed Whirlpool, she seems much more liable to use her magic more often.
@@meloncollieytHer accidental killing of Whirlpool definitely affected her more than she let on. The fact that she had to keep it a secret and couldn't confide in anyone certainly didn't help her mental state. She became convinced that she was already evil so there was no point in fighting it. Turtle being able to convince her that she could still be a good dragon certainly helps disprove that soul corruption is entirely down to the animus magic.
I think what it is is if you use too many dark, evil spells it starts to make you fell like you have all control. And I feel like that drives them mad because of the fact that they have no limits.
There is one thing that I think is vary overlooked in these kinds of arguments; The Act of Violence Effect The Animus Dragons who trun evil, or start to go down that road, didn't show signs of corruption until they used committed an act of Violence or Imorality Here are three examples Arctic - casted THREE spells with no problems but became cold & angry after casting ONE spell that killed the IceWing soldiers Anemone - casted many spells & was fine, killed one Dragon & went nuts Turtle - was completly ok despite casting more spells than our previous two examples & started getting flashes of blood & death after using his magic to break Shapeshifters face Now doing something harmful to someone else can have negative effects of ones mentally Aniums or not I therefor propose the notion that Animus Magic, rather than corrupts the soul, simply worsens these effects
yeah, it makes sense. Although Turtle casted a lot of spells here and there, he was never a bad dragon and didn’t want to be. It was Darkstalker’s personality that had made him evil and use his powers for bad things, like Arctic’s gruesome death.
probably similar to real life, your actions whether good or bad define who you are and whether your soul is good or bad I mean I wonder how Darkstalker would have turned out if instead of wanting power, he like helped orphans with his magic and fed the homeless
I personally think that what leads to animus being evil, is themself. After all, as said in the video, absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, if an animus while not exactly limiting the amounts of spells you do, but what you do with those spells, keeping your morals in check, is the best thing that animus can do. Using the magic for selfless acts, instead of mere selfish gain. For example, enchanting into existence some fruit that cannot be burned, so firescaled dragons like Peril could eat it.
I was surprised when you started talking about correlation doesn't Equal Causation, because I was talking about that before I watched the video. Also I haven't seen another youtuber talk about it. Smart JMA. : D
I feel like having animus magic is like playing a game with all cheats enabled. You can do whatever you wish, whenever you wish. There's no more challenge. Soup too cold? Just heat it with magic! Don't have money for insurance? Just magic some money into existance! Some dude dies? Just revive him! Co-worker is being catty? Obliteration it is! Etc, etc, etc. When you play that game this way you aren't as engaged with the characters as you would have if you had never used a cheat. At a certain point there are no stakes. No reason for you to be invested in the people around you. At a certain point everyone just becomes an object to be used, discarded, or to be entertainment. The game is no longer fun or engaging because you aren't grounded by the stakes and consequences. This does depend on the person however, some people are more inclinded to take controle more than others. Some are just more empathetic or self serving. Many of the animus dragons in this world struggle with the idea of self-importance. Do they want to exert their will over everyone or not. Do they want to care about everyone? Are some people less worthy of respect? Those who choose to care, to not control everyone, choose to restrain themselves and are therefore grounded. Those who choose control slowly become detached from everyone and everything. Suddenly there are no more problems or challenges or enemies because the world is just the way you want it. This all depends on the dragon and who they care about. Animus magic only makes it easier for those with cruel heats to shrug off consequences.
I think magic can make a dragon evil, but it also is their own choices. I sometimes wonder if they where born without the magic, if the evil animus dragons WOULD have been evil. But we can't know that, I just think its a possibility that it can turn them evil, but at the same time what the dragon DOES is also what makes them evil
I remember when I was in the first arc and saw the 15th book I thought it was gonna be a tribe of animus and it would show us how they used it day to day without corrupting their souls
For the darkstalker protecting his soul and stonemover redirecting it into his scales, I think there is a price that must happen no matter what, stonemover redirected it not negating it or stopping it, darkstalker tried to stop it, I think it can manipulate it but it can’t stop it as it MUST cause some type of negative effect, as if it admits some kind of energy through the dragons body, that feeling that turtle felt go away for example was animus magic, and it takes effect throughout the dragons body when a dragon uses its magic in some way, if it’s negated that feeling would be negated or the feelings just never implies anything within the body witch anemone and darkstalker didn’t seem to have a reaction when they put on the necklaces, to stop it from corrupting the soul or any negative effect to you then you must redirect it into another object or dragon and I don’t mean putting all your magic into a object I mean redirecting the negative effect to another dragon like a different dragon that you choose to slowly turn evil or into a plant, sheep or anything else.
I think that animus magic dose not take the soul. I believe that it all depends on what the spell is, and that more complex spells such as immortality gives a feeling of power that gives the animus the feeling of power that sometimes makes them snap. For example, according to fathom albatross was kind and sweet towards him and said how tired he was of his sister using his power and how she herself was turning evil, then when albatross killed her and finally using his magic for himself for once he had feeling of power and freedom and snapped. ( this also is the same story with jerboa1)So that is why I believe that it is that feeling of power that makes a dragon go insane. Jam pls make a sequel to this video and have this comment in the video pls❤️
It depends on the spell. Recently re-reading Legends Darkstalker and arc 2, the feeling of absolute power seems as something to destroy your soul. For example, spells such as Darkstalkers teeth could be bad because you are killing dragons, spells like the plague are easily terrible, trying to wipe out an entire tribe and mind controlling spells to change anything into what you want are manipulative and something considered unethical. If the spell you cast is within ethics, it will not take away from your soul. But then there is Albatross who did his Queen all she wanted and eventually went mad. Perhaps the feeling of being controlled by his sister was what pushed him to the point, and it wasn't necessarily about the magic. Albatross, as said by Fathom, showed no sign of evilness earlier that day. if you read this entire thing then I don't know what to say.
Oh, I’ve always been on indigo’s side even before I read her wording i’ve always thought it was the what they did with the magic that was the factor that decided wether they were good or evil
Pretty sure Qibli said something like “Even if your soul is protected, it’s your actions and thoughts that change that as well. If you’re protected from the effects of animus magic, you aren’t protected from yourself and your actions” but tbh I haven’t read that book in a while
Jade, first and foremost, what an insightful video! Before I get to what I truly believe is the true answer, in my opinion, it’s B’a’youWolf, not BeyouWolf, lol. It’s because my homeland is Louisiana, where 40% of the US’s wetlands, also referred to as “swamps” and more rarely, “bayous”.
This video answered so many of my questions, thank you for making this! I vote that animus magic does NOT directly destroy a soul. And why does prosecution’s voice remind me so much of the narrator for SCP Explained?
I don't think it does. Really there is not much evidence for it, and it seems more like an "absolute power corrupts absolutely" situation. At the end of Legends:Darkstalker, Fathom would have used the soul reader to determine whether the spell he cast had done anything to his soul, but nope, Tui writes that Indigo takes it from him and throws it in the fountain. At least now we got this video. Edit: funny how it was a court case vid even though Jerboa stopped an entire generation of animus users from using animus magic without consultation. Its also a little funny that out of everyone we see in the crowd, only Winter even knew what animus magic was before very recently. Edit2: 3:52 he showed very slight signs, he would hallucinate his claws curling in to fists, but that was it, and no one else knew.
This was a trial I enjoyed. XD I honestly just have to agree with Indigo. Maybe in someone's mind there is no real limit between good and bad actions (since some can quite combine, causing good for some, while bad for others), but you can tell from how it affects the others. As I remember, Albatross worked on quite big projects with his magic. Maybe it could be inoffensive, maybe it is among the reasons why he'd gone crazy, but... he was forced to use his magic from a young age. And we don't know everything queen Lagoon made him do. And he also stayed with the royal family for his life. As for the other cases, it is not the amount of spells you do, but *what* are those spells for.
Didnt tui almost confirm that it was the actions in book 9 with turtle and anemones the more you use it for bad things the harder it is to go back and stuff like that. I vote with the defense
This is amazing. I love how JMA pretends to kind of be like Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth. I like how this is both an analysis and a court video. Also 2:05, LESSS GOOOOOO 😂
I have recently completed arc 2, and I must say I think it definitely does: With Albatross (one of the main dragons who did a slaughter) we see a dragon who, after a great number of spells in a relatively short period of time, goes from having his own trauma and frustrations on a relatively normal level to get the deep desire to go on a killing spree. Albatross was someone chased by the guilt of hurting someone without meaning to, and tortured because of that for one person for most of his life. Then he spends, reluctantly and against his will, time training his future replacement. Then, as he finishes the Summer Palace, he gets told at his face by her queen that she doesn't depend on him as much anymore. It makes perfect sense that he would get overwhelmed by the accumulated rage he got after all this years, and kill her. It makes sense for him to kill his apprentice so he won't be replaced. What doesn't make sense is that he would waste time killing random people, even from other tribe who he doesn't even know when his apprentice was right there and it allowed him to ran away. He just kills indiscriminately, and in an over the top fashion that doesn't fit a burst of rage or targeted vengeance. Some say that it's the feeling of power what corrupts an animus the more they use their powers, but Stonemover proves that isn't the case. He used a great number of spells, and despite having no prior history of violence nor resentment against anybody, he was able to feel those urges appearing out of nowhere and decided to imprison himself because of it. I've also heard people say that what sends an animus down the slippery slope is hurting/killing someone at some point, but Fathom proves that an animus dragon can kill someone with magic and still remain stable as long as they don't cast a great number of spells. When you put the two together you see that a non-violent dragon gets violent urges from using the magic too much, and a killer dragon doesn't get those same urges because he barely used the magic. This doesn't fit a psychological explanation, but it does fit the soul-consuming explanation. Add to that the Icewing's pretty clean history of animus dragons, which was made possible through the limitation of their magic. They had some animus bastards like Queen Diamond, but even they didn't go on killing sprees despite living in a society that puts a lot of pressure on them almost from the moment they hatch and makes them meet bitter rivals and humiliation. I think this three examples (Fathom,Stonemover an Icewing history) prove, at least with some certainty, that, while psychological circumstances do play a part in wether the dragon will listen or not to those urges, they are not the origin, but rather the soul erosion that comes with the abuse of magic. Edit: Add to that Anemone, who wanted to kill her mother for recognition and to compensate for her wounded pride, which was understandable from her perspective, but by the time she was about to do she had magically shifted to kill everyone, including tsunami, her beloved sister who wasn't involved at all and had helped her immensely. I think this further cements that the soul erosion is real, and only needs a bad predisposition to take effect.
Someone’s probably already said this but I’m too lazy to read the comments soooooo I don’t think it’s the magic itself that turns you evil, but rather the feeling of unlimited power. It’s more a psychological effect, because animus magic has next to no limits, (apart from bringing dragons back from the dead but I think you can counter that by like, enchanting yourself to have that power I think?) so you can do anything you want. This is essentially, unlimited power, and just knowing you can flick away your problems with a tiny spell makes you think less about the collateral damage the more and more you use it. There’s not really an equal good side to it, you will probably turn out like a Fathom (constantly scared and worried about your power so you can never have a good life) a Darkstalker (uses it without care, doesn’t think much of the collateral damage) or an Arctic (constantly limited by the rules others put around YOUR magic and YOUR powers that leads to longing to break free without breaking all these boundaries) Basically the more you use it, the more feeling of unlimited power you gain, slowly turning you careless if “just a few” lives are lost. It won’t start out that way, but in the end the road only leads down that path And this is basically why I think jerboa was justified deleting animus magic forever. The only way you could hypothetically possibly bring back animus magic is if you put a copy of Qibli’s earring on Peacemaker, turning him back to Darkstalker. He won’t have his immortality/protection spells on him, but theoretically since he wasn’t existent/alive at the time, he still might have his animus magic, and because he was one of the smartest animus dragons existent at the time, Qibli and Darkstalker could figure out a way around the spell, eg. Enchanting like, a rock so when it is dropped it will give Darkstalker the power to work around binded animus spells *essay ended*
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In my opinion, animus magic doesn’t take the soul, but the idea of it does. The idea of all the things you could do with it is what makes you evil. The simple, quick, easy solutions to problems without having to do any work is what causes the horridness in a lot of dragons, because they can stop anything bad happening to them and give themselves a perfect life, that leads them to feel entitled and important, like they are more valuable than anyone else and deserve better than anyone else. This also leads them to do immoral things, as they don’t view other dragons as being like them and having their own lives and families, but as lesser beings, which leads them to become selfish.
I agree
Hm… do you think this could reason with qibli’s intrusive thoughts or jerboa IIIs fantasies. They can do anything and have a perfect life, leading them to be selfish, and entitled.however, they did limit themselves for the sake of others. It’s great. But I think you are right…
absolutely agree with this
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Also dont forget in book 10 when Darkstalker brings Vulture and sees that both their souls are very bad but only one has magic
I love how Prosecutor JMA has a more sophisticated voice than usual like Prosecutor Edgeworth has, while Defense JMA sounds more casual like Phoenix Wright
Hahaha, had to differentiate them a little bit :P
Animus magic does not corrode the soul!!!!!!
Yes, there are cases where animus dragons have turned horrifically evil. But those are from the decisions they made. The night wings were scared of Darkstalker not because of his animus abilities as what he did with them. They explained how he was evil because he killed his own father and tried to overthrow the queen, but those were his actions and what he did with the animus magic he had. Jerboa wanted a perfect daughter and started of normal but got carried away and her fate was sealed when Jerboa 3 trapped her in that paralyzingly ice underground. Jerboa 3 did that because she discovered all the terrible adjustments her “mother” made to her. In talons of power, turtle tells anemone that his theory is that animus magic isn’t what turns you evil, it is the actions and steps you take to become more evil. When Albatross said that animus magic turns the soul evil in the Darkstalker book, he couldn’t have known that much amount the ability since there weren’t that many animuses and it was far in the past before much research or experiments could or would have been done. Animus magic is not evil
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It's been a while since we entered the court of pyrhia. Strap in, boys.
Also, my theory is it's what you do with animus magic is the things that make you evil, so for example, if you started a plauge THAT destroys the soul, but if you stop a genocide, that doesn't destroy the scroll. I also thing that the soul can be built again, and no matter what you tell me...
ALBATROSS IS THE FRENCH REVOLUTION.
Scroll 😂😂 (no offense)
EXACTLY
Hm
Where are we dropping boys
The fact that he went in depth with this is crazy, great work JMA!
Yes he did
That's why I like his videos. It certainly helps that this series has such juicy lore and three dimensional characters to discuss.
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Before getting into this properly (only 0:42 in) I want to give my own thoughts...
When we see animus magic's 'corruption' its rarely actually twisting of an individual's mind. It's just an individual choosing to make bad decisions and seems to be implied that Animus magic itself isn't the problem.
Darkstalker wasn't corrupted because he used magic, he was corrupted cause he was a selfish cruel dictator of his own choosing.
Anemone wasn't being tainted, she was choosing to use her magic selfishly
Animus magic doesn't corrupt, rather the natural progression of someone of human or dragon nature with that power will eventually use it for more and more selfish means. Never realizing their actions are immoral till it is too late and they've become a cruel, selfish dictator who refuses to improve themselves.
And with the right course of action, animus magic could be literally god tier useful. I mean imagine! You could educate entire continents! I could give them all that same emotion spell Anemone used to show people that everyone deserves respect, kindness, and care. If they knew how bad things were for certain people, or what their actions caused, along with a solution provided, they'd likely fix things.
what about the love spell she cast because i dont think evryone should be luvin turtle now thatt be to much lol@@KenH60109
Just like dany in got and how the power went to her head
When talking about animus dragons going evil I don’t think exactly using the magic is what automatically turns you evil. I think it’s just the idea that you can do anything. I mean even if your the nicest person in world, the ability to literally shape the world around you, make entire dragons, make everyone like you or fear, or kill an entire continent with the snap of your fingers, how do you not start seeing the world as a video game. Something you can reset and change at will. Being an animus is like being on creative mode for dragons, you can literally do anything. You lose your self due to that unlimited power because why would you care about anything when you could literally alter anything that displeased you. I’m just saying if anyone in the real world had animus magic, humanity wouldn’t last a week.
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I mean yeah, this was a major theme in Darkstalker Legends; he had no self-control and it led him down a very dark path.
Well said👏
My thoughts exactly!
I believe, my friend, that is the power of the infinity stones. Animus dragons can only lead to one thing: Thanos.
Personally, I think that some random dragon way back in the past, before Diamond and her shenanigans, was scared of animus magic, so they went to his tribe’s animus and told him fake stories of other animi going crazy and killing everyone. Later this was spread due to trade and eventually reached the Queen’s at the time, which they called a council about it. During this council they basically did something like this, but the Prosecution won and fear was distilled into the hearts of dragons. Animus dragons were probably persecuted and disappeared from the face of the planet. It was this story that then traveled through time, and the Skywings said, “no we are not having them.” and then the Icewings said,” okay one spell per life to benefit the whole tribe,” meanwhile everyone else was like “meh” except Nightwings. They decided no more animus magic, and killed descendants and relatives of their animus(s) to completely rid their tribe from ‘the dangerous’ effects of magic. This was how the Nightwings had no animus dragons at the time of Arctic and Foeslayer. So all this talk about loosing a soul? All physiological. You know it’s funny what a fear can do to people, and dragons for that matter.
yes, and to support your statement there was a completely different book “The Invalid’s Story” by Mark Twain, the narrator was healthy before the train journey. However, due to his mistaken belief that he was traveling with a corpse (which was actually a box of rifles and a block of Limburger cheese), his health deteriorated12. The narrator’s imagination and the stress of the situation led him to believe he was ill, which eventually resulted in actual physical illness12. Two years after the train ride, he resigned himself to imminent death13. This story is a powerful illustration of the potential impact of mental stress on physical health.
EDIT : in other words, it can actully be all phycological after all the two men in this story got physicly sick because of it.
ANOTHER EDIT: THIS IS MY CONVERSATION WITH AN AI ABOUT THIS TOPIC YAY! :this is what i said :i think it is a phychological thing since the dragons think it does that it can make them go insane. for exaple like how in the invaids story he got physicly sick because he thought it was a real corpse WHAT AI SAID ABOUT IT :Your interpretation aligns with a psychological phenomenon known as the “nocebo effect,” where negative expectations or beliefs lead to negative outcomes. In “The Invalid’s Story” by Mark Twain, the characters’ belief that they were in the presence of a corpse led to physical illness. Similarly, in the “Wings of Fire” series, if dragons believe that using animus magic will corrupt their souls, this belief could potentially lead to negative psychological effects, which could manifest as “insanity” or other forms of distress.
This is a fascinating perspective and a testament to the power of belief and expectation. It’s a reminder that our perceptions and beliefs can significantly influence our experiences and outcomes. Well done on drawing this parallel! 👏
I think it all comes down to the intent behind the spell you're casting. I don't think animus magic itself is corruptive, however I do think it is a very addictive entity. We see it play out with Darkstalker, where he became so desensitized to using magic on a whim that he had to be told on multiple occasions genocide was an amoral solution. Jerboa also had zero self-control, and having the power to back it up certainly wasn't helping her.
So, just because you're a "nice person" with a "pure soul" and "good intentions" doesn't mean you can use it all willy-nilly and you'll be fine; it's a very slippery slope, and even the best intentions can inadvertently lead you down a dark path if you disregard the risks. Qibli recognized this, and it played a big part in his refusal to become an animus himself.
A moral compass you set with that magic would be a good way to prevent anything bad before it even starts. Perhaps and advisor to show you the consequences of your actions and how to better them without the use of magic. When played right and in as few spells as possible, this could still work.
One thing that the books mentioned a lot is that the size and the scope of the spell seems to affect the curse. For example, the seawing palace had to be grown from scratch, carefully designed and refined, while many spells (like enchanting a piece of jewelry) are far smaller. So while absolute power corrupts absolutely, it could also be that more powerful spells can corrupt more powerfully
DarkStalker wasn’t obviously corrupted by his magic till his life, the one he had known and wanted since forever, began to fall apart. He was how young? And had so many things put on him. Honestly, he made the bad choices, and his mind never went “oh nooo.. I’m slipping... rAaHh inSanItY..”, it just gradually showed him giving into his lust for power, one that had always been there technically (His hatching, for example.) Yet I believe none of us can blame him as it wasn’t his fault. It was his upbringing and the fact the only few people grounding him were either taken by him, or fought against him.
(And if you wanna make an argument about “how many spells = how bad an animus is”, compare Arctic’s spells and Turtles. Turtle never made bad decisions with his magic, because he wasn’t originally a “bad animus”. Sure some were beneficial but they were either harmless or for the greater good. Arctic originally was just desperate for a way out and it caused him to make bad decisions, the guilt from them all and the anger at himself for doing such things (+ the anger at his tribe and the Night’Wings), caused him to spiral and he once again, became desperate. Kind of the same situation with Jerboa 1, right? Except she had never been afraid of what could happen, hence the much overuse.)
Ancient Animus Dragons: "Animus magic corrupts your soul"
JMA: "OBJECTION"
Loved the video!
The magic itself I don’t believe actually turns dragons evil. Let me use turtle as a example. Turtle is one of the few animus dragons who did not turn evil yet he cast 25 spells and some dragons simply casted seven. Well I have a theory, Turtle was always a very nervous and cautious dragon ever since he believed he failed his father and his entire kingdom. That caution that has still stuck with him to this day makes him a amazing candidate for an Animus. Ever since he smacked Chameleon’s nose and broke it with a book he’s always been more nervous then ever with his mind flashing the image of his powerful he felt. Yet there was always this nagging anxiety of losing his soul since he found out he was an Animus. That stuck with him each time he cast a spell there was a moment of hesitation and fear that he would become what tribes feared most a deranged Animus. Yet he made it a point to be cautious with his magic his whole life and didn’t use it to just get rid of dragons or make his worries disappear. Meanwhile Darkstalker as soon as he made the spell that allegedly saved his soul he didn’t care he could do whatever he wanted and his soul would be fine in his mind. But what I’m thinking is the spell did nothing because Animus magic doesn’t take away your soul in the first place. Darkstalker knew he could do whatever he wanted to any dragon he wanted and that power drove him to want to be the king of the Nightwings. It’s why he killed his father because he felt his soul would be fine. But at that moment each time he did something violent or just plain evil he was losing part of his soul not because of the magic itself but because of the power he felt during it. The end! Sorry for a long one I got wrapped into it
I’ve never really thought that it was casting spells that made them evil.
A lot of the dragons that went evil were in a toxic environment, where competition was always shown to be the key to success.
And animus magic was a super easy way to win.
If they keep winning with animus magic, why stop using it? If you’re on top, why listen to the concerns of anyone else?
You can see that happen with dragons who aren’t animus, too. Not always a villain, but being mean and manipulative ended up getting them high on the chain of command (Queen Wasp, Morrowseer, Queen Scarlet…).
Agreed I think it is a combination of power corrupting and trauma think about it a lot of these bad animus dragons have trauma even jerboa was tortured by Queen scorpion as for the power corrupting in other cases there is queen wasp as you mentioned I think she is an interesting example she was insane and paranoid snowfall could have become like her as you learn in snow fall's vision she did what she did because she thought the leaf wings and silk wings were dangerous and went crazy
I wasn’t expecting to see JMA as a defense attorney, but now that it’s happening I better hear him say “OBJECTION!” at the top of his lungs at least one- 2:06 *YEEESSS!!!*
I hope he says it more in the future
@@timmy6890Me too.
OBJECTION!
It is happening and I am disappointed that you did not call it glorious.
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HOLD IT!
Yess I'm glad someone actually went in depth about it I disliked how everyone just shrugged their shoulders and said that it probably did because the books said so. I always believed that it was just the way they used it that used it.
I don't think animus power corrupts a _soul_
Animus power is a shortcut
You take it once, you see how easy it is, you do it again.
You see a problem, you fix it.
And if that problem is your father.
Well, you know what happened to Arctic.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
This is great. Thank you for this video, I loved it. This is one of the greatest arguments, and few haven't heard it.
I love arguing about this, I think it actually doesn't.
It's the choices they make, the feeling of power. Something might've helped them on this path.
For example, I will use Albatross and Darkstalker.
"You'll always be mine."
Albatross was pushed so far by his sister, Queen Lagoon, by the threat of being replaced, the teasing, the just absolute mean comments, it tipped him off. He couldn't take it anymore.
Darkstalker.
The fact that he felt threatened by Indigo. He thought - he knew - he could've been killed, right then and there. He started to feel insecure, causing him to enchant himself to be invulnerable. By doing this, he noticed you could enchant actual dragons. He wanted to experiment. The feeling of power, it drove him in the wrong path. He made himself invulnerable. He stopped any dragon against him. He felt that what he was doing at the time would all be perfectly fine, because the future he saw was 'perfect'.
A simple spell - to stop his love from seeing the dark, dangerous futures so that they could be happy now. Together. It made life easier. Small things like this, is what I think drove him too far.
Turtle use smaller enchantments
I know that the books lean more in the direction of animus magic not being inherently evil, but I kind of like the idea of evil animus magic...? I know it's not as provocative and doesn't really fit the theme of the books (the power of choice), but I think animus magic is overpowered as hell and needs some sort of nerf 😅
Also, in my opinion, evil animus magic is more threatening and mystical. I mean, it's frightening to watch a character like Darkstalker or Jerboa I gradually become corrupt due to obsessing over their magic, but what's at stake for characters like Turtle or Fathom? We know they're good, and they know they're good, so there isn't really any weight to any of the spells they perform. Knowing that each little spell could drive you insane just sounds more interesting and scary to me 🤷♀️
So I agree that the books intend animus magic itself to be neutral (I'm pretty sure Turtle even outright states that at some point), but I tend to prefer the idea of evil animus magic.
I personally am on the "The choices they make makes em evil" boat, also wasnt expecting a JMA video today, nice.
I think that dragons souls do not become evil from overuse of spells but instead the dragon becomes corrupt with power turning them evil.
In my opinion I say that it has no effect on the soul since in Darkstalker, Darkstalker was literally looking into the future where he got everything and didn’t care what he had to do to get it. He even tried enchanted a piece of jewelry, so Clearsight would look into the good futures and not looking to the bad futures. I say he was corrupted by the idea that he could do anything
Hi jma! Fire video, as i totally agree with this idea. I always thought that Darkstalker would just be evil, instead of his magic turning him.
yes yes yes
I actually wanted the trial to continue. Lol
I think it is true that it is more the corrupting influence of magic, but given how OP it is, it is the most morally dangerous power you can wield in the setting.
I wanted more as well! -Lily
I think it’s the choices of other dragons around the amiuses like when Indigo attacked Darkstalker that’s when started to go mad and when Albtross was abused for things he started going mad.
JMA's voice acting is just amazing 👌👌👌👌👌👌
Another theory is that most animus dragons that have gone evil, have had some sort of trauma. For example, I personally think Arctic wouldn’t be such a bad father if he didn’t go to Nightwing island just to figure out that the Nightwings were going to use him. If Arctic and Foeslayer moved to an island together, that would most likely lead to a happier family with probably no evil Darkstalker. Another example is Albatross, who knew he was giving away his soul to help people only to be overlooked by the queen. That’s most likely why he attacked the Seawings at their banquet. Overall, I do think it’s a dragon’s past life that influences them turning evil. As well as that, a dragon’s actions affect them as well. They could beleive they are good, but do bad things. Like Darkstalker.
Verdict: moral skill issue
Fr tho, the ambiguity of animus magic’s effects on the soul works very well as a plot device to reveal a character’s motivations and ambitions. It would be neat to have a definite answer though
"moral skill issue" hahahaha
@@JadeMountainArchive Meh it sounds about right. If one goes in with the most analytical and humane goals and desires with the knowledge to operate it, stuff could get done much better than some irrational, last minute big spell.
I love how this is like a courtroom/ You were so creative with this JMA!
also in jerboas case you gotta consider the "living forever" part, a mortals mind was never designed to live that long, as shown by how her sanity deteriorates over the centuries
your soul only gets damaged if you use animus magic for something selfish or to directly harm someone else like using it to enchant a rock to pound another dragon's head or to turn a plant into gold for yourself
I'd view logical convincing to be a better way to get through things. Perhaps one could enchant themselves to have sort of second voice that would feed them knowledge and exist to serve the user while providing moral and intellectual guidance. Sort of an AI helper for diplomacy. That'd get you pretty far, not to mention that telekinesis could allow you to create new islands for people to live on, resources to use, and knowledge to spread.
Defense Jade: “OBJECTION! Wait! Sorry-wrong franchise.” Literally killed me. Best objection ever. This was a great topic to take to court and I agree with the outcome.
I think it’s the choices you make that affect how you use animus magic and if you’re good or evil. A lot of things go into this: your upbringing, how people treat you, and how you view animus magic and how you think you should use it.
I agree with the defense. Evil can definitely erode someone's soul, more than magic ever could. There's another piece of evidence for this in book 10, where in the ravine, Qibli tells Darkstalker that it's his actions that have made him evil, not his magic. Note that this comes after the soul reader is used AND Darkstalker protects himself from the effects of animus magic. And with the fact that Queen Diamond used her magic only four times and yet still went insane is more proof. I rest my case.
I would also like to state that animus magic does corrupt turtle for a moment. In talons of power, turtle thinks about how he beat chameleon with a scroll and when turtle looks down at his talons, he sees them covered in blood and shakes them until they look like his own talons again. He also says that chameleon deserved to be beat because of he did to kinkajou, which anemone later says that whirlpool deserved to die- just like how turtle said that chameleon deserved to get hurt- and anemone turned corrupted. But anemone did cast as much spells as turtle and she got almost fully corrupted while turtle thought a evil thought once.
Like he said absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have infinite power you are placed with choices far beyond anything you could have imagined. That gives you an even amount of good and bad decisions. Unfortunately the great Darkstalker and Jerboa 1 fell victim to the vast greatness of bad decisions and how they would give you more power in turn. It’s not the magic it’s the dragon 🤷♀️ Loved this video keep up the good work!
Honestly, I've always been convinced that animus magic never actually corrupts the soul, whether, tragic backstories and unfair treatment leads to animus(es?) poor judgement and decisions. After thinking about Fathom, Turtle and Orca, though, I've altered this point as to just blame their own actions, which maybe influenced via their dark pasts but aren't the direct cause of it. Stonemover's case has gotten me thinking though. If there is no curse, then how in Pyrrhia did his spell work? As the defense has stated, maybe it is misunderstanding but what if it wasn't? What if Stonemover originally wanted himself to become stone so he couldn't hurt anyone with animus magic, but seeing as how unreasonable the Nightwings would see this, he made the excuse to convince them otherwise. Note: He said that he was being used in the war and had committed several crimes. There is no real evidence that those words were the ones he uttered when he cast the spell, and, as persecution Jade said, the theory of corrupted souls has been around for millennia, obviously he could use that against others. Thorn has stated the Stonemover is smart as well, due to his help with his time with her, so this wouldn't be too complex for him.
Now, believe what you want but in summary; animus(i?) actions defy their fate, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The curse is probably some tall tale dragon ancestors created to get a grasp of their world and now everyone just believes it. That is my case, I yield my time to the chair.
(im so sorry for the long paragraph jma i just had to get my thoughts out)
I don't believe animus magic directly affects the dragons soul, but rather the sheer knowledge of their nearly limitless power they have drives most of them to corruption. Literally after watching this I was walking around ranting about this for QUITE a while. Ah, the joys of theorizing.
I'd say that it would just take a lot of premeditation and planning to make a good spell work. It'd require collaboration, knowledge, and addressing every possible issue. One could simply enchant themselves with a god tier level of knowledge and immediately know how best to help the world with no murder, mind control, or threats to speak of.
My vote's with the defence. One of the most prevalent themes throughout all of WoF is that everyone has a reason for the things they do, be it good or bad. Animus dragons, for all their power, are just as susceptible to cultural and personal influences as anyone else.
Take Albatross for example. The history scrolls treat his committing the Seawing massacre as a result of his animus magic corrupting an otherwise happy and stable dragon. 'Darkstalker' however reveals that he suffered a lifetime of abuse and humiliation at the talons of his sister Queen Lagoon. Her making it clear that she planned to replace him with Fathom proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. His animus magic wasn't the cause of his downfall; it simply gave him the means to act on the anger and resentment that had been building up over the years.
This was a literal Wings of Fire lesson for college! Keep up the great work, JMA!! Also, I FOUND MY ARTWORK IN THE END OF THE VID AAAAAAAAA YESSSS
Jades voice took me by surprise with how deep it was, amazing voice, and so sophisticated
i had this idea in my head for years. but know i'm hearing it from another persons perpective.thank you amazing
omg thank you so much!! This is one of the classic wings of fire questions and topics. Really love that you went into depth with it, and I love the whole court theme! great video JMA!!!
Love the video intro lol. I'm really glad you made a video addressing this topic! I've always wondered if it really is animus magic in general that turns dragons evil or if there are certain conditions in place to do so. Gosh, the lore of WoF is really interesting.
Hello, in my time zone this was posted like 8 hours ago but I’ll comment this anyway
I just want to say thank you, jade mountain archive a lot for posting such wonderful wof videos, you are truly one of the most amazing wof content creators out there, trying to bring more recognition for wof. Crazy how a book series ment for kids became a big whole community, right? Wof is a very interesting series and I am so excited for the 4th arc to come out! But most importantly… THANK YOU! Yes, thank you jade mountain archive & the editor who puts so much time, work and effort into making these videos for us to enjoy! Planning the video, sorting the video out, making thumbnails, those all take a really long time to do so make sure you stay hydrated and healthy and take care of your mental health! ❤
If we take a page from the Starwars animus (Force) users the Jedi and Sith, the power these individuals wield knew one could fall to absolutism of the force so they used a tactic so when the group were experiencing this, they sent individuals who fall too close to one side to have them feel the opposite forces they are falling to abd which returns them to a balance again.
From this logic, we can say that the Force and Animus powers are by action and that the individual's choice will judge the path they take, just like we humans take the words "Good vs Bad, Hero vs villain" we define them by the actions we take and what made them go through with their paths they made, so my point stands that only action can be made to set dragons to either Good or Bad, Hero to Villain, and Wise to Intellect.
i love these court room style vids please make more amazing and wonderful content like this
I believe it was Turtle who pointed out that animus magic itself doesn't make one evil, but rather the act of casting spells gives one the power to become evil. I think this is a good take on the topic and ties in the whole absolute power thing as well.
I’m honestly conflicted on either view, and I honestly am fine with Animus Magic eating away at the soul or not. If it does, it shows that having such fantastical power comes at a terrible price. But I also think Dragons who become too comfortable with Animus magic, like Darkstalker, Jerboa, or Anemone become too used to using their magic, and use it to solve any problem, which leads to them developing a dependence on their powers, and thus, a god complex. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely after all.
i mind add this, personally i think animus magic makes you THINK you are evil. turtle knew about the curse, but later in talons of power he talks about how animus magic wont make you insane if you, for lack of a better term, believe you aren't insane.
At that point, anemone was insane, but after the fight, she had redeemed herself, now knowing about this curse. and perhaps this is why stone mover's scales got medusa'd. the curse doesn't make you insane, but makes you believe you are insane. as true power corrupts truly, true belief (of one's self) effects truly.
I never expected this video to be set in a court, I liked the idea a lot! And I'm always happy to see your dragon OC interact with different expressions! So cool!
Now I want to see a wof court case with Qibli as the defense, in Saul Goodman fashion
In my opinion, saying that it was the magic eroding the souls leads to a less satisfying message overall, I feel that the more satisfying underlying message to be taken from this is that absolute power gone unchecked can corrupt a person.
Also, I like that prosecutor Jade seems to almost have a deeper voice
A dragon trial. That is so imaginative! I was planning a scene like that in one of the upcoming books for my original dragon series as well.
This is the third time me coming back to this channel or second if you don’t count when I first found it as one
nice video! i really loved it. anyway, on with my vote. I’d have to agree with Defendant JMA. I’ve seen it a lot, usually they’d turn evil not because of the erosion, but because the power goes to their heads. Just like in 8:03 , where Jerboa III realizes she can use her magic for these selfish choices. If she did those spells, the power would most likely get to her head, and she would turn out, “evil.” This is my argument, though there is more proof to back this up.
JMA doing an analysis video on animus magic court style made my day
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is such an underrated quote.
I've always felt like it was the power the animus magic gave that corrupted, not the animus magic itself.
THE VOICES ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING THEY FIT SO PERFECTLY IM GOING TO IMAGINE THESE VOICES WHENEVER I READ NOW 😂
I think it erodes the soul a bit sense turtle feels himself getting less cautious about his magic but that could be him just getting more scared of his magic in a way. And the way u set up this video had me laughing good job
My theory is that the temptations of unlimited power makes a dragon evil, like in talons of power Turtle was waiting for the right moment but when he 'failed' he lost hope in Animus magic
Thank you so much for making this video! I remember asking something similar to this in a livestream. Thanks again :D
Maybe its just pride, like the sin. The fact that they don't have any limits, they think they're so powerful, not being scared anymore, cuz they're unstoppable. Wow, you make statistics and stuff that I would label boring so fun. Keep up the good work!
My theory was always that (and I heard it was confirmed) that animus magic doesn’t actually steal your soul, it only turns you evil if you make bad choices with it, like Stonemover (but he reversed the curse) and Darkstalker. Anemone was fine because she didn’t make many bad decisions with her magic.
I actually think Turtle is a better example of "being fine", as I believe Anemone is (or at least was) actually slipping, if slowly, into a more "evil" state. I don't think she is fully evil, but she definitely isn't as innocent as she was in, say, book 2. Remember that sweet, gentle little dragonet? Now fast forward to, say, books, well, pretty much 6-10. NOT QUITE AS INNOCENT. Even AFTER the whole Darkstalker instance, she still never fully went back to the way she used to be. Since she accidently killed Whirlpool, she seems much more liable to use her magic more often.
Yes it’s true.
@@meloncollieytHer accidental killing of Whirlpool definitely affected her more than she let on. The fact that she had to keep it a secret and couldn't confide in anyone certainly didn't help her mental state. She became convinced that she was already evil so there was no point in fighting it. Turtle being able to convince her that she could still be a good dragon certainly helps disprove that soul corruption is entirely down to the animus magic.
i got interested with Wings of Fire because of ur videos, now ive gotten to the second book chapter 14!
I’ve been waiting for a video about animus magic and it’s finally here!
I think what it is is if you use too many dark, evil spells it starts to make you fell like you have all control. And I feel like that drives them mad because of the fact that they have no limits.
There is one thing that I think is vary overlooked in these kinds of arguments;
The Act of Violence Effect
The Animus Dragons who trun evil, or start to go down that road, didn't show signs of corruption until they used committed an act of Violence or Imorality
Here are three examples
Arctic - casted THREE spells with no problems but became cold & angry after casting ONE spell that killed the IceWing soldiers
Anemone - casted many spells & was fine, killed one Dragon & went nuts
Turtle - was completly ok despite casting more spells than our previous two examples & started getting flashes of blood & death after using his magic to break Shapeshifters face
Now doing something harmful to someone else can have negative effects of ones mentally Aniums or not
I therefor propose the notion that Animus Magic, rather than corrupts the soul, simply worsens these effects
yeah, it makes sense. Although Turtle casted a lot of spells here and there, he was never a bad dragon and didn’t want to be. It was Darkstalker’s personality that had made him evil and use his powers for bad things, like Arctic’s gruesome death.
I stopped my audiobook when I saw this was posted 10 minutes ago 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 JMA, I love it when you post
probably similar to real life, your actions whether good or bad define who you are and whether your soul is good or bad
I mean I wonder how Darkstalker would have turned out if instead of wanting power, he like helped orphans with his magic and fed the homeless
(Evil) Nightwing Animus Tribe, we love casting spells.
The amount of detail he puts in his videos makes him deserve way more than 50,000 subs
I personally think that what leads to animus being evil, is themself. After all, as said in the video, absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, if an animus while not exactly limiting the amounts of spells you do, but what you do with those spells, keeping your morals in check, is the best thing that animus can do. Using the magic for selfless acts, instead of mere selfish gain. For example, enchanting into existence some fruit that cannot be burned, so firescaled dragons like Peril could eat it.
I was surprised when you started talking about correlation doesn't Equal Causation, because I was talking about that before I watched the video. Also I haven't seen another youtuber talk about it. Smart JMA. : D
The moment I saw a court of law I knew we were in for a ride. Great video as always JMA.😂
I feel like having animus magic is like playing a game with all cheats enabled. You can do whatever you wish, whenever you wish. There's no more challenge. Soup too cold? Just heat it with magic! Don't have money for insurance? Just magic some money into existance! Some dude dies? Just revive him! Co-worker is being catty? Obliteration it is! Etc, etc, etc.
When you play that game this way you aren't as engaged with the characters as you would have if you had never used a cheat.
At a certain point there are no stakes. No reason for you to be invested in the people around you. At a certain point everyone just becomes an object to be used, discarded, or to be entertainment. The game is no longer fun or engaging because you aren't grounded by the stakes and consequences.
This does depend on the person however, some people are more inclinded to take controle more than others. Some are just more empathetic or self serving.
Many of the animus dragons in this world struggle with the idea of self-importance. Do they want to exert their will over everyone or not. Do they want to care about everyone? Are some people less worthy of respect? Those who choose to care, to not control everyone, choose to restrain themselves and are therefore grounded. Those who choose control slowly become detached from everyone and everything. Suddenly there are no more problems or challenges or enemies because the world is just the way you want it.
This all depends on the dragon and who they care about. Animus magic only makes it easier for those with cruel heats to shrug off consequences.
This was both entertaining and informative, thanks for making this video!
I think magic can make a dragon evil, but it also is their own choices. I sometimes wonder if they where born without the magic, if the evil animus dragons WOULD have been evil. But we can't know that, I just think its a possibility that it can turn them evil, but at the same time what the dragon DOES is also what makes them evil
I remember when I was in the first arc and saw the 15th book I thought it was gonna be a tribe of animus and it would show us how they used it day to day without corrupting their souls
I think they lose their morality, because they start to realize their own power
For the darkstalker protecting his soul and stonemover redirecting it into his scales, I think there is a price that must happen no matter what, stonemover redirected it not negating it or stopping it, darkstalker tried to stop it, I think it can manipulate it but it can’t stop it as it MUST cause some type of negative effect, as if it admits some kind of energy through the dragons body, that feeling that turtle felt go away for example was animus magic, and it takes effect throughout the dragons body when a dragon uses its magic in some way, if it’s negated that feeling would be negated or the feelings just never implies anything within the body witch anemone and darkstalker didn’t seem to have a reaction when they put on the necklaces, to stop it from corrupting the soul or any negative effect to you then you must redirect it into another object or dragon and I don’t mean putting all your magic into a object I mean redirecting the negative effect to another dragon like a different dragon that you choose to slowly turn evil or into a plant, sheep or anything else.
I think that animus magic dose not take the soul. I believe that it all depends on what the spell is, and that more complex spells such as immortality gives a feeling of power that gives the animus the feeling of power that sometimes makes them snap. For example, according to fathom albatross was kind and sweet towards him and said how tired he was of his sister using his power and how she herself was turning evil, then when albatross killed her and finally using his magic for himself for once he had feeling of power and freedom and snapped. ( this also is the same story with jerboa1)So that is why I believe that it is that feeling of power that makes a dragon go insane. Jam pls make a sequel to this video and have this comment in the video pls❤️
I think that the defense was more convincing than the prosecution.
It depends on the spell. Recently re-reading Legends Darkstalker and arc 2, the feeling of absolute power seems as something to destroy your soul. For example, spells such as Darkstalkers teeth could be bad because you are killing dragons, spells like the plague are easily terrible, trying to wipe out an entire tribe and mind controlling spells to change anything into what you want are manipulative and something considered unethical. If the spell you cast is within ethics, it will not take away from your soul. But then there is Albatross who did his Queen all she wanted and eventually went mad. Perhaps the feeling of being controlled by his sister was what pushed him to the point, and it wasn't necessarily about the magic. Albatross, as said by Fathom, showed no sign of evilness earlier that day. if you read this entire thing then I don't know what to say.
maybe its just the idea of animus magic
Oh, I’ve always been on indigo’s side even before I read her wording i’ve always thought it was the what they did with the magic that was the factor that decided wether they were good or evil
I think animus magic is a lot like the plant that Cottonmouth was binded to.
Pretty sure Qibli said something like “Even if your soul is protected, it’s your actions and thoughts that change that as well. If you’re protected from the effects of animus magic, you aren’t protected from yourself and your actions” but tbh I haven’t read that book in a while
Jade, first and foremost, what an insightful video! Before I get to what I truly believe is the true answer, in my opinion, it’s B’a’youWolf, not BeyouWolf, lol. It’s because my homeland is Louisiana, where 40% of the US’s wetlands, also referred to as “swamps” and more rarely, “bayous”.
This video answered so many of my questions, thank you for making this!
I vote that animus magic does NOT directly destroy a soul.
And why does prosecution’s voice remind me so much of the narrator for SCP Explained?
I don't think it does. Really there is not much evidence for it, and it seems more like an "absolute power corrupts absolutely" situation. At the end of Legends:Darkstalker, Fathom would have used the soul reader to determine whether the spell he cast had done anything to his soul, but nope, Tui writes that Indigo takes it from him and throws it in the fountain. At least now we got this video.
Edit: funny how it was a court case vid even though Jerboa stopped an entire generation of animus users from using animus magic without consultation. Its also a little funny that out of everyone we see in the crowd, only Winter even knew what animus magic was before very recently.
Edit2: 3:52 he showed very slight signs, he would hallucinate his claws curling in to fists, but that was it, and no one else knew.
Ah, another day, another post from JMA
We need more of the JMA wof court
This was a trial I enjoyed. XD
I honestly just have to agree with Indigo. Maybe in someone's mind there is no real limit between good and bad actions (since some can quite combine, causing good for some, while bad for others), but you can tell from how it affects the others.
As I remember, Albatross worked on quite big projects with his magic. Maybe it could be inoffensive, maybe it is among the reasons why he'd gone crazy, but... he was forced to use his magic from a young age. And we don't know everything queen Lagoon made him do. And he also stayed with the royal family for his life.
As for the other cases, it is not the amount of spells you do, but *what* are those spells for.
His voice repels emotion like Blisters face,not to compare him to Blister cuz she’s dead!
Thanks for putting my fan art in the video! :)
Didnt tui almost confirm that it was the actions in book 9 with turtle and anemones the more you use it for bad things the harder it is to go back and stuff like that. I vote with the defense
This is amazing. I love how JMA pretends to kind of be like Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth. I like how this is both an analysis and a court video. Also 2:05, LESSS GOOOOOO 😂
I have recently completed arc 2, and I must say I think it definitely does:
With Albatross (one of the main dragons who did a slaughter) we see a dragon who, after a great number of spells in a relatively short period of time, goes from having his own trauma and frustrations on a relatively normal level to get the deep desire to go on a killing spree.
Albatross was someone chased by the guilt of hurting someone without meaning to, and tortured because of that for one person for most of his life. Then he spends, reluctantly and against his will, time training his future replacement. Then, as he finishes the Summer Palace, he gets told at his face by her queen that she doesn't depend on him as much anymore.
It makes perfect sense that he would get overwhelmed by the accumulated rage he got after all this years, and kill her. It makes sense for him to kill his apprentice so he won't be replaced. What doesn't make sense is that he would waste time killing random people, even from other tribe who he doesn't even know when his apprentice was right there and it allowed him to ran away. He just kills indiscriminately, and in an over the top fashion that doesn't fit a burst of rage or targeted vengeance.
Some say that it's the feeling of power what corrupts an animus the more they use their powers, but Stonemover proves that isn't the case. He used a great number of spells, and despite having no prior history of violence nor resentment against anybody, he was able to feel those urges appearing out of nowhere and decided to imprison himself because of it.
I've also heard people say that what sends an animus down the slippery slope is hurting/killing someone at some point, but Fathom proves that an animus dragon can kill someone with magic and still remain stable as long as they don't cast a great number of spells.
When you put the two together you see that a non-violent dragon gets violent urges from using the magic too much, and a killer dragon doesn't get those same urges because he barely used the magic. This doesn't fit a psychological explanation, but it does fit the soul-consuming explanation.
Add to that the Icewing's pretty clean history of animus dragons, which was made possible through the limitation of their magic. They had some animus bastards like Queen Diamond, but even they didn't go on killing sprees despite living in a society that puts a lot of pressure on them almost from the moment they hatch and makes them meet bitter rivals and humiliation.
I think this three examples (Fathom,Stonemover an Icewing history) prove, at least with some certainty, that, while psychological circumstances do play a part in wether the dragon will listen or not to those urges, they are not the origin, but rather the soul erosion that comes with the abuse of magic.
Edit: Add to that Anemone, who wanted to kill her mother for recognition and to compensate for her wounded pride, which was understandable from her perspective, but by the time she was about to do she had magically shifted to kill everyone, including tsunami, her beloved sister who wasn't involved at all and had helped her immensely. I think this further cements that the soul erosion is real, and only needs a bad predisposition to take effect.
Someone’s probably already said this but I’m too lazy to read the comments soooooo
I don’t think it’s the magic itself that turns you evil, but rather the feeling of unlimited power. It’s more a psychological effect, because animus magic has next to no limits, (apart from bringing dragons back from the dead but I think you can counter that by like, enchanting yourself to have that power I think?) so you can do anything you want. This is essentially, unlimited power, and just knowing you can flick away your problems with a tiny spell makes you think less about the collateral damage the more and more you use it. There’s not really an equal good side to it, you will probably turn out like a Fathom (constantly scared and worried about your power so you can never have a good life) a Darkstalker (uses it without care, doesn’t think much of the collateral damage) or an Arctic (constantly limited by the rules others put around YOUR magic and YOUR powers that leads to longing to break free without breaking all these boundaries)
Basically the more you use it, the more feeling of unlimited power you gain, slowly turning you careless if “just a few” lives are lost. It won’t start out that way, but in the end the road only leads down that path
And this is basically why I think jerboa was justified deleting animus magic forever.
The only way you could hypothetically possibly bring back animus magic is if you put a copy of Qibli’s earring on Peacemaker, turning him back to Darkstalker. He won’t have his immortality/protection spells on him, but theoretically since he wasn’t existent/alive at the time, he still might have his animus magic, and because he was one of the smartest animus dragons existent at the time, Qibli and Darkstalker could figure out a way around the spell, eg. Enchanting like, a rock so when it is dropped it will give Darkstalker the power to work around binded animus spells
*essay ended*
Animus magic isn't gone forever. She just removed the power from living animus dragons. New ones can still be born in the future.