Her lines are on the ending of the video. When I did the PNG's w the song names for Tzuyu's video, I forgot to do Next Page. When I was doing Momo's, I (ofc) used the same pngs for hers. As they are in order, I'd have to do everything again because of one song. So I included her lines in Next Page as the outro for this video, so the time it's correct. For Tzuyu's I just noticed after someone warned me, so that's why in Tzuyu's video her lines aren't included. :)
chanffendedvery There's barely room for Dahyun and Chaeyoung to rap already. The concept just doesn't allow for 3 rappers, plus she's actually a great singer.
Its only 9 minutes :( i understand that she's the main dancer but when they're ask to only sing so she's only gonna sit there and do nothing? at least give her 3 LONG lines or 2
Hey guys, I actually calculated their lines from The Story Begins, Page Two, TWICEcoaster: Lane 1/2 (Only Knock Knock and Melting were counted cause it's a repackage haha), Signal, One More Time, Twicetagram, Merry & Happy (again only Heart Shaker and Merry & Happy were counted), Candy Pop, What is Love? and Wake Me Up. I didn't count Japanese versions of their first five title tracks cause that would like be sort of unfair and messes with the results. Here were the results: Nayeon: 31 minutes and 35.5 seconds Jihyo: 29 minutes and 20.8 seconds Mina: 16 minutes and 33.2 seconds Jeongyeon: 15 minutes, 45.9 seconds Sana: 15 minutes and 9 seconds Tzuyu: 13 minutes and 5.7 seconds Chaeyoung: 12 minutes and 47.8 seconds Dahyun: 10 minutes and 34.5 seconds Momo: 9 minutes and 42.1 seconds
Momo is a good rapper, but I don’t they would give rap parts because they barely give Chae and Dahyun rap parts, so it would be a slim chance for her to rap in an official song
And it wasnt even singing more like talking. We really need momo to show her rapping and singing talent and hr skills. Pleeeeeeease jyp. Just once pleassssse
She doesnt have many dance breaks anymore. There was Cheer Up, LOA, and Likey, but all others are so small that they might as well not be there at all. She isnt in the center for the dance break in other songs. #justiceformomo
And no one talks about it.... Most people are just like "Jeongyeon, Chaeyoung, and Dahyun had so little lines". I feel like I'm the only one who recognizes her as a member sometimes...
@don’t take pictures of me when I’m out with my son What do you mean? She's really talented,she can dance,she can rap and she can sing (when she is not forced to use her fake voice,like in that cover with Jihyo and Taemin and on Breakthrough) She is really talented,they don't let her shine as she deserve.She is beautiful too,but she is not limited to a pretty face you know? don't be like that.
She may not have the most lines...but she's pretty darn magnetic. Something about her energy when she dances, at least it draws my eyes to her. Imo Jihyo: powerhouse vocals, visual wise she's the prettiest but I know not many people agree Nayeon: easy to listen to, very cute pleasant voice with range Sana: cute and likable, her soft voice is adorable Dahyun: creative and hardworking and good rapper Chaeyoung: the powerhouse rapper of the group, really leaks confidence Mina: elegant and mature with a bell-like voice Tzuyu: beautiful, lead visuals for most and has a childlike innocence to her that fits current concepts Jeongyeon: best vocals I think, almost he most stable and personally more relatable for me - one half of my bias Momo: amazing dancer, mesmerizing with an infectous smile and sweet personality, she can rap and her singing vocals are getting so seriously good. - the other half of my bias.
You only see Momo have 9 minutes worth of lines but when you see Nayeon and Jihyo, I could only guess that they have at least 30 minutes worth of lines
I think that JYP knows what to do with every of them, he even took Momo in SIXTEEN for TWICE even if she was out of the survival program, he knew what to do with her (and with the others). TWICE has so much time to do other concepts than the cute one, now it's too early, that's why JYP is giving lines to Momo that she must do with aegyo voice, so that it fits the concept. Another reason why Momo has few lines is because she isn't a singer, so her voice in live performance sometimes could be unstable if JYP gives her singing parts (that's why Nayeon has the most parts). I know that everyone wants the badass Momo back from SIXTEEN, I think that in the next comeback (or maybe the one after) Momo will have rap lines or at least lines with her real voice. But remember that Momo is a dancer (a dancing MOchine actually), so she has her moment in every song with a dance breakdown and I think that's what makes her special and unique in a 9 member girlgroup. Every member has their own characteristic in the group, that's what makes everyone special and unique in TWICE. Please stop fighting on the lines' distribution and on JYP's choice about TWICE's concepts. (PS: sorry if I made any mistake but english isn't my native language, I tried my best)
You do have a point, the only thing is, her voice is amazing and underrated,I think if she put a little more practice then it would be fine having her with a lot more lines, even on concerts. Dancing is still her specialty, but personally (since she's my bias) I'd like to hear more lines too :)
Omg *I NEEDED THIS* and I be out here watching every song trying to find momo's part making a timestamp comment out of it to hear the parts repeatedly XD
Momo has such potential to be a rapper :( why doesn't jyp let her rap? She raps so smoothly. If Momo would be a solo artist after twice she would definitely flourish
Momo's voice really sounds better in its natural, kinda-low pitch. Her lines in Love Line, Precious Love, and Scientist are proof for me. And didn't know she can rap too! Momo is awesome!
I think that in Woohoo, that part in the end "nan geudaemanui sweet love, nan geudaemanui sweet dream" sounds like her voice too And in the end of her line in I'm gonna be a star ("we goin up, we goin up" part) it's everyone, not just her She also has an adlib in Melting's last chorus In signal, (the "jjirit, jjirit, jjirit, jjirit" part) she also sings that "dudurududu" :v
i think momo should be added to the rap line! twice songs should introduce much more rap because i think it could really help them because as of late for me their songs haven't been interesting and i think that rap would be a factor to the help them more.
에프엣스에안 you can see in this fancam that everyone sings it and momo just come to the centre when it's the jirit part just as sana. th-cam.com/video/P9L5QCed3ao/w-d-xo.html (you can see in her solo fancam too)
워너원&레드벨벳&트와이스사랑해 you can see in this fancam that everyone sings it and momo just come to the centre when is the jirit part just as sana th-cam.com/video/P9L5QCed3ao/w-d-xo.html (you can see on her solo fancam too)
Momo's low rap voice in I'm Gonna Be A Star is so amazing. I wish JYP would make her a Lead/Main Rapper so she can rap in title tracks and more often in B-Sides.
BangTwice Is Real Cause Its Real lmao chill, im still a once. I just don't approve this cute forced voice she does for most twice's songs bcs it will damage her voice one day don't you get it? She has a natural husky and heavy voice, not this.
CHECK TZUYU'S VERSION! What member/group would you like to see next?
th-cam.com/video/2VD62Ha5deQ/w-d-xo.html
assa byong sana, dahyun, nayeon
assa byong jeongyeon
How come in this video and Tzuyu's video you skipped their song Next page
Her lines are on the ending of the video. When I did the PNG's w the song names for Tzuyu's video, I forgot to do Next Page. When I was doing Momo's, I (ofc) used the same pngs for hers. As they are in order, I'd have to do everything again because of one song. So I included her lines in Next Page as the outro for this video, so the time it's correct. For Tzuyu's I just noticed after someone warned me, so that's why in Tzuyu's video her lines aren't included. :)
chaeyoung pls
this really makes me wonder why JYP hasn't just made Momo a rapper after Do it Again, smh
chanffendedvery There's barely room for Dahyun and Chaeyoung to rap already. The concept just doesn't allow for 3 rappers, plus she's actually a great singer.
Idk, but I think they should rather promote Chaeyoung as a vocalist and Momo asa a rapper
They should promote Dahyun as a vocalist more she's pretty decent
actually she raps bettet than Dahyun. Dahyun should be at the vocal lines
Der Saz it should be Chaeyoung. She can actually sing and wouldn’t really need as much vocal training
I noticed Momo's voice changes in every songs
Strong, Loud & Bold
0:14, 0:45, 0:04, 3:16, 1:33
Soft, Cool & Sweet
1:01, 2:01, 1:07, 4:14, 1:18, 1:36, 2:32
Slightly Nasally but still Cute
2:19, 0:30, 1:52, 2:08, 2:48
Nasally, Squeaky & Forced Cute
8:36, 5:51, 6:00, 5:20, 8:57, 2:37
Which do you prefer?
Please comment to add.
Trixia Ilagan soft cool and sweet for me:)
@@helloiam99 strong, loud and bold one is the best for me. it gives the sixteen vibes hah
hello i am strong,loud,bold and a bit of the second one
it’s because she puts real thought and feeling into her few lines. gotta make the best of those 9 minutes she can do her job huh? 😂😂😂
*before video:* see, she does get lines
*after video:* so it was every single song, not just the title tracks. _well then_
samee
Ikr lol
LOL SAME
HIII IM A SUBSCRIBER
Oh hi , love your songs
Its only 9 minutes :(
i understand that she's the main dancer but when they're ask to only sing so she's only gonna sit there and do nothing? at least give her 3 LONG lines or 2
ikr
ikr pt.2. But, There are some songs that she has longer lines (ex. Signal) but only "some" not "a lot"
There's 9 members, not all of them can have the most lines
Dahyun it's only 3:12 minutes...
She's the lead dancer.
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Carmela Tagalog same
5:59 There
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IOI is lifeu Same though 😂
Me too, and her line on TT aswell
nayeon's version: 3 hours
Im gonna be star alone can take uo to 9999999 hours when nayeon's version is released😂
LMAO FR
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH YEA
Ikr Xd
Hey guys, I actually calculated their lines from The Story Begins, Page Two, TWICEcoaster: Lane 1/2 (Only Knock Knock and Melting were counted cause it's a repackage haha), Signal, One More Time, Twicetagram, Merry & Happy (again only Heart Shaker and Merry & Happy were counted), Candy Pop, What is Love? and Wake Me Up. I didn't count Japanese versions of their first five title tracks cause that would like be sort of unfair and messes with the results. Here were the results:
Nayeon: 31 minutes and 35.5 seconds
Jihyo: 29 minutes and 20.8 seconds
Mina: 16 minutes and 33.2 seconds
Jeongyeon: 15 minutes, 45.9 seconds
Sana: 15 minutes and 9 seconds
Tzuyu: 13 minutes and 5.7 seconds
Chaeyoung: 12 minutes and 47.8 seconds
Dahyun: 10 minutes and 34.5 seconds
Momo: 9 minutes and 42.1 seconds
I think JYP should give momo rap line in they song ..because momo voise sounds so good when she raps .! Momoring ^-^..momo voice like angel
Her real voice sounds really nice
Momo is a good rapper, but I don’t they would give rap parts because they barely give Chae and Dahyun rap parts, so it would be a slim chance for her to rap in an official song
I'd feel bad for her having to rap too much in Korean when it's not her mother tongue, unless she feels comfortable enough to do so.
PiNk LaMbOrGhInI😂jk she would be good tho
She only sang one word in "Truth": Alright
Worst Kpop Cover ikr she has an amazing voice i wish she has more lines
Worst Kpop Cover bruh
Omg ikr that’s so sad
+Park Yuan 😂
And it wasnt even singing more like talking. We really need momo to show her rapping and singing talent and hr skills. Pleeeeeeease jyp. Just once pleassssse
Like Ohh Ahh era was honestly the best for Momo in terms of her vocals because they didn’t force her to raise her pitch too much until TT era
And Signal era
wdym pitch?
9 minutes and 32 seconds?!?!?!?
*sighs* Well at least her dance breaks in their music videos makes up for it
Actually a little bit less since there was an intro in this video
Alysandra yeah about 9 minutes and 28 seconds
She doesnt have many dance breaks anymore. There was Cheer Up, LOA, and Likey, but all others are so small that they might as well not be there at all. She isnt in the center for the dance break in other songs. #justiceformomo
she deserves better 😭💜
the person in your pfp makes me happy
Dahyun it's only 3 minutes...
Agree 😭 More lines for Momori
But i think knock knock and signal was her era
Who else thinks momo gets too little lines :/
master 5579 same😔😭
It's not about the lines, it's more about the visuals. She's the hottest and sexiest in the group by far, should almost always be in the center.
yes🤧🥺
And no one talks about it.... Most people are just like "Jeongyeon, Chaeyoung, and Dahyun had so little lines". I feel like I'm the only one who recognizes her as a member sometimes...
Me
Do it again and Im gonna be a star, i think she was meant to be the third rapper
Ricen Lee actually, i think she is the third rapper. But Twice concept don't let them do so much rap, so only 2 of them rap.
a peanut in Do It Again she was the Second rapper
Too hot to be just a rapper, you need her both in visual and dancing
*sighs* Momo's voice is much better if she is rapping
Don't know, she just can't sing that great, fact. She's the best dancer in kpop though and one of the hottest celebrities from Asia.
@@eeyre not the best dancer at KPOP though. But she has mediocre vocals.
PINK LAMBORGHINI
I like the sound of her voice singing. Addictively catchy
SHE HAD THREE WHOLE WORDS IN TRUTH.
uyen le and number 9 : lets go lets go lets go
:yeah yeah alright thats right actually 5 words
When talking about how many lines each member has
Momo: 3 words
Nayeon: 3 Minutes
But she's supposed to dance around and look either cute or super sexy. Never been a vocalist.
@@eeyre shes a sub vocalist but she doesnt deserve to have 3 words in one whole 3 minute long song
MOMO MY BIAS SHOULD GET MORE LINES!!! ❤️❤️❤️ 9 mins and 32 secs is too less!!! JYP!!!!!! Give her more lines!!!!😫
ya ikr :'(
Right but she's not that great in singing. She's basically only dancing and looking super hot and sexy which is fine for me 😁👍
@don’t take pictures of me when I’m out with my son What do you mean? She's really talented,she can dance,she can rap and she can sing (when she is not forced to use her fake voice,like in that cover with Jihyo and Taemin and on Breakthrough) She is really talented,they don't let her shine as she deserve.She is beautiful too,but she is not limited to a pretty face you know? don't be like that.
I really enjoy momos voice in twicegram
Kpop Is My Life for me my favorite is 24/7
I enjoy Momo's voice everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love her voice so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAN LOONA STAN ART
Still mad about Candy Pop. She's 1/3 J-line and had almost 0 line....
Can't stop listening to her little lines in candy pop
She shouldn't have even been in the j line at all...
@@IveGotWonyoung Why?
@@IveGotWonyoung wtf, You cant change that lmAOO?
R J the j-line is the Japanese members, so a Japanese member shouldn't be in the Japanese line?
Bb cream papapaa lipstick mamamama never forget
Notice how momo's voice sounded better before TT era. I miss her singing / rapping in her normal voice.
my poor baby has less than 10 minutes
Momo needs to rap a lot more... I think she would get less hate if she did
She may not have the most lines...but she's pretty darn magnetic. Something about her energy when she dances, at least it draws my eyes to her.
Imo
Jihyo: powerhouse vocals, visual wise she's the prettiest but I know not many people agree
Nayeon: easy to listen to, very cute pleasant voice with range
Sana: cute and likable, her soft voice is adorable
Dahyun: creative and hardworking and good rapper
Chaeyoung: the powerhouse rapper of the group, really leaks confidence
Mina: elegant and mature with a bell-like voice
Tzuyu: beautiful, lead visuals for most and has a childlike innocence to her that fits current concepts
Jeongyeon: best vocals I think, almost he most stable and personally more relatable for me - one half of my bias
Momo: amazing dancer, mesmerizing with an infectous smile and sweet personality, she can rap and her singing vocals are getting so seriously good. - the other half of my bias.
This is the first time I heard someone describe Mina's voice as bell-like
Ohhh we both have the same bias. I love them soooo much 💚💓
You only see Momo have 9 minutes worth of lines but when you see Nayeon and Jihyo, I could only guess that they have at least 30 minutes worth of lines
I think Jihyo deserves the lines.
I think nayeon deserves the lines
not fair😶
I love momo's voice and her rapping voice
SHE LEGIT ONLY COUNTS IN EYE EYE EYES IM GONNA SHIT NO WONDER I HATE THAT SONG
Her voice is Melting and Precious Love omg 😍
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NENA is your pic is when in twiceland?
Goddess Jihyo no,it's from Once Begins
This is so sad MoMo has such a sweet voice she deserves more
I would say do nayeon but that would take A LONG time..
Momo and two voice
one is cute and baby voice another one is deep and attractive voice
RAPPER MOMO
Their next album needs 9 songs, each has one Twice member who sings most lines. They get their own songs!
Doctor: you have 9 minutes and 32 secs until you die
Me: *watches this video*
momo sings so nice, I'm sorry she has almost no lines
Truth: 'alright, yeah'
Eyes eyes eyes: '1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9'
Turtle: 'Bang Bang Bang, pong pong'
@@helloiam99 Woohoo- "Let's go Lets go Let's go"
yes😢
I think that JYP knows what to do with every of them, he even took Momo in SIXTEEN for TWICE even if she was out of the survival program, he knew what to do with her (and with the others).
TWICE has so much time to do other concepts than the cute one, now it's too early, that's why JYP is giving lines to Momo that she must do with aegyo voice, so that it fits the concept. Another reason why Momo has few lines is because she isn't a singer, so her voice in live performance sometimes could be unstable if JYP gives her singing parts (that's why Nayeon has the most parts).
I know that everyone wants the badass Momo back from SIXTEEN, I think that in the next comeback (or maybe the one after) Momo will have rap lines or at least lines with her real voice.
But remember that Momo is a dancer (a dancing MOchine actually), so she has her moment in every song with a dance breakdown and I think that's what makes her special and unique in a 9 member girlgroup. Every member has their own characteristic in the group, that's what makes everyone special and unique in TWICE. Please stop fighting on the lines' distribution and on JYP's choice about TWICE's concepts.
(PS: sorry if I made any mistake but english isn't my native language, I tried my best)
agreed 👏
Strong, Loud & Bold
0:14, 0:45, 0:04, 3:16, 1:33
Soft, Cool & Sweet
1:01, 2:01, 1:07, 4:14, 1:18, 1:36, 2:32
Slightly Nasally but still Cute
2:19, 0:30, 1:52, 2:08, 2:48
Nasally, Squeaky & Forced Cute
8:36, 5:51, 6:00, 5:20, 8:57, 2:37
You do have a point, the only thing is, her voice is amazing and underrated,I think if she put a little more practice then it would be fine having her with a lot more lines, even on concerts. Dancing is still her specialty, but personally (since she's my bias) I'd like to hear more lines too :)
i love her voice in what is love but she got just 1 line only. so sad 😢
At least it was 9 seconds long but in truth she just says 'alright, yeah' and in eyes eyes eyes she just counts 'one two three four five'.
In What is love at least she get a long line and was cool and cathcy
When MOMO was only singing bang bang in turtle
Just wait for this girl crush concept. She's gonna snap
Yes yss yes yes yes yes yessssssssss!!!!!!+++!!!!!!!!!!!
Fancy came but...only 9 second..
@@nervy3317 And feel special came,but only 11 seconds...
@@lovelyg7571 more & more: 9s, i cant stop me: 7s....
Jihyo: 48 hours.
Sana Mina no its *-72 hours-*
Really I thought it was one year
She needs more lines 😭
In 1 to 10 and in Melting she has a sweet voice and I'm dying, I miss so much that Momo :'v
#justiceformomo
she could sing a whole damn album in 9 minutes and 32 seconds
Atleast her dance breaks has alot.. i guess
Pls do it for all twice members
Her rap in signal is really good and satisfying
hope she'll have more lines because her voice is really pretty!!!please jyp let my girl shine more!she deserves more!😁😄
I honeslty like her voice very much
tHaT inTro wiTH ChunhGa
We need a updated version
One of the most versatile voices I've heard.
Omg *I NEEDED THIS*
and I be out here watching every song trying to find momo's part making a timestamp comment out of it to hear the parts repeatedly XD
Momo has such potential to be a rapper :( why doesn't jyp let her rap? She raps so smoothly. If Momo would be a solo artist after twice she would definitely flourish
Momo's voice really sounds better in its natural, kinda-low pitch. Her lines in Love Line, Precious Love, and Scientist are proof for me. And didn't know she can rap too! Momo is awesome!
Strong, Loud & Bold
0:14, 0:45, 0:04, 3:16, 1:33
Soft, Cool & Sweet
1:01, 2:01, 1:07, 4:14, 1:18, 1:36, 2:32
Slightly Nasally but still Cute
2:19, 0:30, 1:52, 2:08, 2:48
Nasally, Squeaky & Forced Cute
8:36, 5:51, 6:00, 5:20, 8:57, 2:37
Which do you prefer?
Please comment to add.
1. TT
2. Likey
3. Cheer up
4. Like Ooh Ahhh
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I really enjoy Momo's voice!
Please do jeongyeon version
Fluffle Lover Yes !!!
OMG YUSSSSS
Please!
1:30 min long
what i like about momo is she's always singing live though its not that stable (i really love her!)
I think that in Woohoo, that part in the end "nan geudaemanui sweet love, nan geudaemanui sweet dream" sounds like her voice too
And in the end of her line in I'm gonna be a star ("we goin up, we goin up" part) it's everyone, not just her
She also has an adlib in Melting's last chorus
In signal, (the "jjirit, jjirit, jjirit, jjirit" part) she also sings that "dudurududu" :v
This video is so well made, I LOVE IT, new suscriber
MeowSon NM4 Tysm
SHE HAS SO LITTLE WHAT THE HELL JYP I’M COMING FOR YOU
I love her voice ❤
She should get more lines like 1 to 10 or ponytail
The one for Nayeon would take years to watch.
I think momos voice is literally perfect i dont care what other People say
My beautiful bias! Love you Momo, someday you will have lots more lines
Momo😍
I am honestly truly blessed
MOMORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Her voice in twicetagram tho😍
Conhecendo músicas nova do twice pela haru, melhor pessoa
A little bit of Me panfletando always
god I love her voice so much
Can we get an updated one now pleaseeeee
Released on my birthday and a video of my bias?!? Awesome 😎
Nayeon's version is probably 1 hour XD
HER SINGING VOICE IS SO GOOD IM IN LOVE 😍
i think momo should be added to the rap line! twice songs should introduce much more rap because i think it could really help them because as of late for me their songs haven't been interesting and i think that rap would be a factor to the help them more.
She is a Rapper according to her Position
I like her voice so much specially in signal she has a different voice
I LOVE your intro.
Actually love momo’s voice the best cuz it’s naturally the cutest/aegyo among members
Please do Chaeyoung version😍
Momo my baby 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 momo rap so cooooool and voice so cute and pretty
I love momo voice ❤
the fact that she has like one line in every so in in touchdown it was literally lets go lets go
Thanks 👍🏻
momo has such a beautiful voice
You Forget Part Signal "dururududu dururududu"
that's all, she sings one of the 'jirit' verses.
assa byong no is Momo Part
yes its momo only part
에프엣스에안 you can see in this fancam that everyone sings it and momo just come to the centre when it's the jirit part just as sana. th-cam.com/video/P9L5QCed3ao/w-d-xo.html (you can see in her solo fancam too)
워너원&레드벨벳&트와이스사랑해 you can see in this fancam that everyone sings it and momo just come to the centre when is the jirit part just as sana th-cam.com/video/P9L5QCed3ao/w-d-xo.html (you can see on her solo fancam too)
My favorite voices :') i love you Momo
Momo needs more lines I hope she get more when they have there comeback
I love her voice so much
wow and people think shes a bad singer. YEAH RIGHT!
Shalia Reacts she's not a bad singer, just a weak vocalist. She can work on that though so it's ok.
But her voice is the most unique
I really love herrrrr
i love momo's voice in their slow songs, it seems to really fit her
i hope she gets more lines in the future/the upcoming comeback!!
I loved all her changed voices ^^ Her raps are so underrated. ;(
momo needs more lines :(
Momo's low rap voice in I'm Gonna Be A Star is so amazing. I wish JYP would make her a Lead/Main Rapper so she can rap in title tracks and more often in B-Sides.
I hate the way they use momo's singing voice in twice's songs
Mariana Garcia Why?
Mariana Garcia huh?
You mean her cute voice?....
YOUR NOT A REAL ONCE😢
BangTwice Is Real Cause Its Real lmao chill, im still a once. I just don't approve this cute forced voice she does for most twice's songs bcs it will damage her voice one day don't you get it? She has a natural husky and heavy voice, not this.
I reallyyy like her voice dawn
Poor Momo to be honest when I first got into Twice I thought she was the leader