Jon: storing fuel next to a rocket is a sensible place to store fuel. Yes, I too enjoy storing flammable materials next to rockets that violently controllably explode as part of their takeoff cycle
Yes, Jon, water can be converted to fuel with electricity; electrolysis separates the hydrogen and oxygen into hydrogen and oxygen gas, both of which are used in actual rocket fuel.
I love how Jon points to lots of things saying "that's probably not how science works" for things that are not totally unreasonable for science (even if some instances they aren't the best option), but the most obvious "that's not how science works" is completely missed: wind turbines being useful with an atmosphere as thin as the one on Mars.
"Conveniently Mars speeds up it's rotation during the night, and slows it down during the day." - Jon, showing off his -10 perception as we head into the long days of summer.
We have them here in Australia, except we call them willy-willies (I had to search that up because I thought it was whirly-whirlies) because we have a naming policy made by a fourth grader.
The RC transport can also mine metal deposits by themselves and the drones will take supplies off of them even if the transport doesn't dump it onto the ground.
The "power accordion" is based on a real world concept in which excess energy is used to push a weight upwards and suspend it there. When the energy is needed, the weight will fall down and the energy produced by that will be harvested by a dynamo.
Maybe it's just me, but whenever I see something that says "Don't Panic" my first reaction is to find out why I shouldn't be panicking, followed very quickly by looking for a disco...
I've had my eye on this for a long while, it scratches my nerd itch nicely. We must have very similar alphabetically arranged tick boxes labeled on our colour coded hexagonal storage unit.
Jon your awesome and I’ve watched you for few years but I wish I had found you sooner. You make me believe you know what your doing even if you have no clue. I just have to say thank you for making videos and keep it up. You make my day thank you.
MrGhosta5 I'm not sure that is possible. The game is mostly trial and error. More likely not smart enough for the people that only find fun in min/maxing the game.
Jon! If you love a game like this (colony/survival/automation/scifi) then you should check out RimWorld! Its very similar to this (in that you’re establishing a colony on a distant planet) except that you’re working with people who can be randomly generated and have unique personality traits and skills. Its a load of fun and i think you’d love it.
I've read that extractors generate dust in this game which solar panels don't react well to being covered in. You may want to move it further away from the concrete extractor so it'll break down less often.
also ya. visual ques on big base building things are great. it was extreamly small (only cuz everything was so massive) but in supreme commander the storage units for power/mass would actually rise or fall based on how much power you have stored. it was so nice and i love when games proper do that instead of just "heres a meter. this is what you got"
Actually Jon you can make Fuel with water in site, you only need to separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen and now you have both the propellant and the oxidizer, a lot of rockets use Hydrogen and Oxygen as their fuel, so by using water you can make fuel, it is exactly the idea that Space X has, and the ship they used for the ships you send is actually the SpaceX BFR, which is only concept now, but it is in development stages.
Night is probably shorter than day because it’s summer In the hemisphere where your colony is sitting. It would be interesting if that changed over the course of a Martian year.
I like that the technology throughout even with the new updates isn't unheard of. Most of the technology is being developed today and the future tech is theorised. So who's for Space Y getting their colony going first?
SCIENCE! Earth to Mars travel time is ~7 months with a transfer window about once every 26 months (assumes Hohmann orbital transfers and that you'd want to start and end in a circular orbit). Our fastest spacecraft to date (New Horizons) could cover that distance in 39 days however that doesn't involve deceleration time so you would make a new crater when you got there if you went that fast. Time CAN be cut down with a conventional rocket (the ~7 months time frame) via a hard burn to the mid point between Earth and Mars then turning around and starting deceleration immediately. You would then land with a suicide burn. That would be incredibly expensive, obscenely dangerous, and we really shouldn't do that.
Usually Rocketfuel for a Marsmission should be Hydrazine. So N2H4. Nitrogen and Hydrogen. Nitrogen isn't quite plentiful in the marsian atmosphere, but at 2.7% it's still not ignorable. So with water providing the Hydrogen and the Atmosphere providing the Nitrogen you should be able to make a decent supply of Hydrazine as a Rocketfuel.
I like how every videogame has discovered the advantages of impeller, while in the real world all the wind turbine companys are like: nah... propeller is fine.
Jeff C - I remember back when I was in 9th grade or so (I'm 28), Time magazine had a feature about functioning prototypes of cars which ran on water vapor. I believe the official reason why that technology wasn't viable for mass production was: "too expensive." And if you think about that for even half a second, you realize that answer deeply depends on who you ask...
The battery rising up is actually a hydrogen blatter. Electricity in your electrolyze water into HOX and then you burn it to get your water back and your power out.
If you run electric current through water, it will separate into hydrogen and oxygen gases. You can then remix those gases and light a spark to make quite a big boom, so yes in fact you can science water into rocket fuel.
Since each extractor needs 5 power, it might save on cable building to build a wind turbine next to each extractor and build a decentralized grid. Then when you have everything up and running you can connect the entire grid.
Almost certainly - though I've been thinking about secondary systems too - as there are switches for both pipes and wires, so twin pipes with occasional connectors and switches would be cool, so any pipe leak could be isolated, and pipes continue to work as intended. But, yes, a decentralised grid has the advantage that you can be certain priority buildings will be serviced by their own grid - maybe with a switched connection to the main grid to overflow in additional power if the local grid fails.
Not so fun fact for your colonists. Nights on Mars are actually often longer relative to nights on Earth due to Mars' tall mountains casting things near them in shadow during sunrises or sunsets and without much of clouds or an atmosphere to bounce back light from the sky it's pretty dark in those shadows. Not quite nighttime dark but almost as dark.
water does so make rocket fuel! the most common 20th century rocket fuel is a 'LOX' system, O and H are combined (by burning) .. like V2 ww2 rockets, or the nasa moon rocket. separating them takes power .. you kinda get it back when you burn it (exhaust == water)
SCIENCE! Water into fuel on Mars is actually how it could work. Water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen and liquefied, some of the oxygen can be split off for breathable air or other industrial applications with the hydrogen and remaining oxygen combined into H2O2, the fuel that was used by the space shuttle orbiter and the upper stages of a variety of orbiters. Carbon can also be extracted from the atmosphere and combined with hydrogen to formulate hydrocarbons, in turn, refined into kerosene. If a small volume of additional resources (sulfur, etc) can be located that carbon can be refined into RP-1 and combined with oxygen to make first stage fuels. So LOX (liquid oxygen) + RP-1 gets you off Mars, LOX + Hydrogen gets you from Mars back to Earth. All you need to find is the water ice and tiny amounts of a few other chemicals.
Synthesising RP-1 on Mars would be pretty energy intensive (it's a mixture of many different types of hydrocarbons, and you'd need to manufacture each on individually), considering it gives a lower performance, and the room temperature storability of RP-1 isn't as necessary on Mars given the extremely cold temperatures. Liquid methane or hydrogen would be your best bet, as they are easiest to synthesise and have pretty good ISPs.
Just got into it since it's free in the epic store, still getting the hang of it but I remembered this series. Helped to watch, figured since we play Stellaris similarly we would have a similar style in this game... Haha yeah not so much but possibly more so in my next go.
You can store electricity as a mechanical force. So if you wanted you could make a completely mechanical battery, that uses years, and generates power using gravity to drive the gears by having a heavy weight move downwards. Likewise you could use electricity to drive the years in reverse to raise the weight on the "battery" to store energy for later. It's just unlikely you could make such a battery as efficient as a chemical battery, however it may be in an environment like mars the upkeep of a mechanical battery to extend It's usable lifetime may be low enough to make the unit last much loknger than a chemical battery in the martial environment (just speculation)
Mechanical batteries are a thing I believe, but usually they use a large spinning mass (a fly wheel) to store the energy. You can see these on old steam engines where they help smooth out the motion of the pistons.
The point of all those techs that let you build things that you can buy as a prefab is to reduce your reliance on rockets; you can become totally self-sufficient.
Water into fuel is science. Split the molecule and you have hydrogen and oxygen, which is what the Space Shuttle used. It takes a lot of energy to do that, though. They are hoping to make hydrazine from the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere.
The only thing I distinctly dislike about this game is that if you start with a tech unlocked you never get the bonus points you'd have gotten when it was researched.
Water to fuel is a science! Your rockets must be using liquid oxegyn/hydrogen as fuel, which can be produced by electrolysing water, which breaks the thing being electricolised into it's component parts!
Jon: storing fuel next to a rocket is a sensible place to store fuel.
Yes, I too enjoy storing flammable materials next to rockets that violently controllably explode as part of their takeoff cycle
We just need Jon saying "hold my pint"
Key point being controllably.
I'm sure it will be at least mostly fine...
In the words of Quill18 "What could possibly go wrong?" =D
I like to think that Jon's boxes, which are ticked by this game, are hexagon shaped.
Aren't the holes in an egg carton hexagon-shaped as well?
Let's just hope the boxes aren't ticked by cables
Yes, Jon, water can be converted to fuel with electricity; electrolysis separates the hydrogen and oxygen into hydrogen and oxygen gas, both of which are used in actual rocket fuel.
Jon clearly never read, (or listened to on audiobook), 'The Martian'. Which is a shame. He'd love it.
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy is pretty good too.
I thought this was common knowledge...
26:05 - came here to respond to this exactly as you have :D
I love how Jon points to lots of things saying "that's probably not how science works" for things that are not totally unreasonable for science (even if some instances they aren't the best option), but the most obvious "that's not how science works" is completely missed: wind turbines being useful with an atmosphere as thin as the one on Mars.
"Conveniently Mars speeds up it's rotation during the night, and slows it down during the day." - Jon, showing off his -10 perception as we head into the long days of summer.
I swear Paradox goes through my subscriptions list when deciding who to send preview copies to.
They seem to have given them to pretty much every youtuber alive.
Pretty much yeah.
Jon a dust Devil is sort of like a mini tornado made mostly of dust or sand, they mostly aren't as strong but they can still cause problems
And are fun to play with when you're a poor kid growing up in a small Arizona town.
i used to try and see how many leaves i could float on them before it died
We have them here in Australia, except we call them willy-willies (I had to search that up because I thought it was whirly-whirlies) because we have a naming policy made by a fourth grader.
i wonder how many different names there are for them
thought the term Willy-willy came from the aboriginal language (well a particular tribe but you get the idea)
STOP MAKING ME WANT TO BUY ALL THESE GREAT GAMES!
NEVER.
I fell victim to this trap too......
You are not alone.
Sometimes I wonder how you can play all these games without actually looking at the UI at all.
Yeah, the amount of times he misses or ignores something is slightly annoying me XD
The RC transport can also mine metal deposits by themselves and the drones will take supplies off of them even if the transport doesn't dump it onto the ground.
Ohhhh, I didn't know the truck could pick up raw surface metal.
The "power accordion" is based on a real world concept in which excess energy is used to push a weight upwards and suspend it there. When the energy is needed, the weight will fall down and the energy produced by that will be harvested by a dynamo.
Storing the energy mechanically, rather than chemically. Like winding a watch.
That's fucking cool
Maybe it's just me, but whenever I see something that says "Don't Panic" my first reaction is to find out why I shouldn't be panicking, followed very quickly by looking for a disco...
Would it help if I put on some flashing red lights?
I hope you know where you towel is, Jon.
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!! WE ARE DEFINATELY NOT GONNA DIE A HORRIBLE VIOLENT PAINFUL DEATH!!!!!
that better?
Why do I think that It will all go wrong and Jon will have to recolonise Earth
And watching you play this has made me buy the flipping thing :)
I've had my eye on this for a long while, it scratches my nerd itch nicely. We must have very similar alphabetically arranged tick boxes labeled on our colour coded hexagonal storage unit.
Jon, you can leave the resources screen open, and mousing over individual resources will show you the daily tally of production versus consumption.
Woah, triple upload, what a day to be alive
if you like automation jon you should play factorio itll take a bit to wrap ur head around but once you do youlll love it
Paradox interactive are expanding their repetoair. Me likey
SpaceY, my favourite space agency!
Louis Penn I
*In an age of space travel, filled with excitement and discovery, only one company dares to ask:*
"Space, Y?"
Reaching new heights is our mathematical motto.
"I'm not seeing a farm here, but here's a farm."
Come ON Jon, that's not even your -10 perception, you'd already seen it!
Yeah, that really made me go "Really?"
The whole video I was on the edge of my seat hoping that this would be a series.
Jon your awesome and I’ve watched you for few years but I wish I had found you sooner. You make me believe you know what your doing even if you have no clue. I just have to say thank you for making videos and keep it up. You make my day thank you.
Glad you uploaded this! I was curious on getting this since it piqued my interest when I saw some trailers of it.
I don't think I've ever bought a game faster. I love this, Jon! It's like Factorio but newer and shinier.
Something like this is what I imagine happening when your colony ships have landed in Stellaris.
Jon you say you love automation you should try factorio it is a game about research, surviving on an alien planet and automation.
pls no
pls yes
Jon has said that he's to dumb to play factorio
MrGhosta5 I'm not sure that is possible. The game is mostly trial and error. More likely not smart enough for the people that only find fun in min/maxing the game.
Benjamin Street did you see him with the baggage conveyors on Airpot CEO, I might have to tear my eyes out if he tries factorio.
Jon! If you love a game like this (colony/survival/automation/scifi) then you should check out RimWorld! Its very similar to this (in that you’re establishing a colony on a distant planet) except that you’re working with people who can be randomly generated and have unique personality traits and skills. Its a load of fun and i think you’d love it.
Have you had your eye on this for while jon ?
I've read that extractors generate dust in this game which solar panels don't react well to being covered in. You may want to move it further away from the concrete extractor so it'll break down less often.
Nothing reacts well to it, it covers panels, gums up intakes and degrades bearings hence his insane maint costs.
Thanks for the video, been waiting to see this for a while.
My god that “DONT PANIC” logo reminds me of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
Jon's wiring makes me cry.
Love Jon's obsession with hexagons
also ya. visual ques on big base building things are great. it was extreamly small (only cuz everything was so massive) but in supreme commander the storage units for power/mass would actually rise or fall based on how much power you have stored. it was so nice and i love when games proper do that instead of just "heres a meter. this is what you got"
"Blue Sun Corporation" *narrows eyes* I'm watching you
The video was set to 1.5x speed from a previous video... and I thought Jon sounded excited before...
Actually Jon you can make Fuel with water in site, you only need to separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen and now you have both the propellant and the oxidizer, a lot of rockets use Hydrogen and Oxygen as their fuel, so by using water you can make fuel, it is exactly the idea that Space X has, and the ship they used for the ships you send is actually the SpaceX BFR, which is only concept now, but it is in development stages.
I see those tiny drones, and the first thoughht that pops into my head is, "Gadget, Gadget."
And then a tear comes to my eye...
Night is probably shorter than day because it’s summer In the hemisphere where your colony is sitting. It would be interesting if that changed over the course of a Martian year.
Jon. There's a thing that makes the day longer than the night. It happens on earth. It's summer.
I like that the technology throughout even with the new updates isn't unheard of. Most of the technology is being developed today and the future tech is theorised.
So who's for Space Y getting their colony going first?
This one has many echoes of Planetbase, another game you've played that I've come to adore.
Love the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference on the concrete plants
I would love to see more of this amazing game!!!
Oh my God, this looks fantastic.
Drones, Driods, Probes Jon's three names for them!
Stellaris and Surviving mars in one day? And a new SM series? Jon you are my favourite TH-camr.
When I saw basic metals symbol I just thought wow so that's where the timurids went
I like how Tabby was centrally located and Jon made Claire sit in the corner.
Rc explorer and the rc bot controller came out nice a slow really cautious then the rc transporter just comes speeding out
for a game that has a lot of complex interwoven systems it is far more intuitive than that search and rescue builder game that was recently featured.
Thank you. More please.
I really like this, please do more
I've been waiting for this video for a while now. =)
Hearing his enthusiasm again makes me want to see him do a series.
SCIENCE! Earth to Mars travel time is ~7 months with a transfer window about once every 26 months (assumes Hohmann orbital transfers and that you'd want to start and end in a circular orbit). Our fastest spacecraft to date (New Horizons) could cover that distance in 39 days however that doesn't involve deceleration time so you would make a new crater when you got there if you went that fast.
Time CAN be cut down with a conventional rocket (the ~7 months time frame) via a hard burn to the mid point between Earth and Mars then turning around and starting deceleration immediately. You would then land with a suicide burn. That would be incredibly expensive, obscenely dangerous, and we really shouldn't do that.
good old jon just letting free science sit right next to his base
I love this game simply because it annoys all my OCD friend's when I dont place everything symmetrically.
Just kidding, i have no friends
No problem, you have already annoyed an OCD stranger with this comment
Usually Rocketfuel for a Marsmission should be Hydrazine. So N2H4. Nitrogen and Hydrogen. Nitrogen isn't quite plentiful in the marsian atmosphere, but at 2.7% it's still not ignorable. So with water providing the Hydrogen and the Atmosphere providing the Nitrogen you should be able to make a decent supply of Hydrazine as a Rocketfuel.
Forget the U.S.S. Enterprise, all hail the U.S.S. Tabby!
Robert Hartley Ave true to Tabby
I've been looking forward to this
Edit:this is could also be me guessing the start of the video
Not a very impressive guess though.
United Nations no Catapults though
AnDay5zlebt yeah it is more a miracle if you find a game on his channel he wasn't looking forward to
gargoyles9999 no we are trying to fix our addiction
I like how every videogame has discovered the advantages of impeller, while in the real world all the wind turbine companys are like: nah... propeller is fine.
Water into fuel is actually a possible thing
Jeff C - I remember back when I was in 9th grade or so (I'm 28), Time magazine had a feature about functioning prototypes of cars which ran on water vapor. I believe the official reason why that technology wasn't viable for mass production was: "too expensive." And if you think about that for even half a second, you realize that answer deeply depends on who you ask...
For the love of the automation god, play Factorio already! :D
Likes the completely unscientific stuff cause it looks neat, questions making fuel from water.
Yeah and cement isn't a common feature of the surface of mars.
phookadude Martian 'concrete' uses heated sulphur rather than lime and water, which is why the concrete extractors work on the yellow-tinged patches.
i have to still wait 6 days for this game. looking forward to it
Yesssss! More!!!
The battery rising up is actually a hydrogen blatter. Electricity in your electrolyze water into HOX and then you burn it to get your water back and your power out.
If you run electric current through water, it will separate into hydrogen and oxygen gases. You can then remix those gases and light a spark to make quite a big boom, so yes in fact you can science water into rocket fuel.
Since each extractor needs 5 power, it might save on cable building to build a wind turbine next to each extractor and build a decentralized grid. Then when you have everything up and running you can connect the entire grid.
Almost certainly - though I've been thinking about secondary systems too - as there are switches for both pipes and wires, so twin pipes with occasional connectors and switches would be cool, so any pipe leak could be isolated, and pipes continue to work as intended.
But, yes, a decentralised grid has the advantage that you can be certain priority buildings will be serviced by their own grid - maybe with a switched connection to the main grid to overflow in additional power if the local grid fails.
Not so fun fact for your colonists. Nights on Mars are actually often longer relative to nights on Earth due to Mars' tall mountains casting things near them in shadow during sunrises or sunsets and without much of clouds or an atmosphere to bounce back light from the sky it's pretty dark in those shadows. Not quite nighttime dark but almost as dark.
Jon missed his calling as a mechanical engineer working for an unprofitable startup
water does so make rocket fuel! the most common 20th century rocket fuel is a 'LOX' system, O and H are combined (by burning) .. like V2 ww2 rockets, or the nasa moon rocket. separating them takes power .. you kinda get it back when you burn it (exhaust == water)
SCIENCE! Water into fuel on Mars is actually how it could work. Water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen and liquefied, some of the oxygen can be split off for breathable air or other industrial applications with the hydrogen and remaining oxygen combined into H2O2, the fuel that was used by the space shuttle orbiter and the upper stages of a variety of orbiters. Carbon can also be extracted from the atmosphere and combined with hydrogen to formulate hydrocarbons, in turn, refined into kerosene. If a small volume of additional resources (sulfur, etc) can be located that carbon can be refined into RP-1 and combined with oxygen to make first stage fuels.
So LOX (liquid oxygen) + RP-1 gets you off Mars, LOX + Hydrogen gets you from Mars back to Earth. All you need to find is the water ice and tiny amounts of a few other chemicals.
Sulphur is easier to come by on Mars, too.
Synthesising RP-1 on Mars would be pretty energy intensive (it's a mixture of many different types of hydrocarbons, and you'd need to manufacture each on individually), considering it gives a lower performance, and the room temperature storability of RP-1 isn't as necessary on Mars given the extremely cold temperatures. Liquid methane or hydrogen would be your best bet, as they are easiest to synthesise and have pretty good ISPs.
Just got into it since it's free in the epic store, still getting the hang of it but I remembered this series. Helped to watch, figured since we play Stellaris similarly we would have a similar style in this game... Haha yeah not so much but possibly more so in my next go.
This game was made with actual space science in mind. So while it may seem dubious, some of the tech may be viable.
You can store electricity as a mechanical force. So if you wanted you could make a completely mechanical battery, that uses years, and generates power using gravity to drive the gears by having a heavy weight move downwards. Likewise you could use electricity to drive the years in reverse to raise the weight on the "battery" to store energy for later. It's just unlikely you could make such a battery as efficient as a chemical battery, however it may be in an environment like mars the upkeep of a mechanical battery to extend It's usable lifetime may be low enough to make the unit last much loknger than a chemical battery in the martial environment (just speculation)
Mechanical batteries are a thing I believe, but usually they use a large spinning mass (a fly wheel) to store the energy. You can see these on old steam engines where they help smooth out the motion of the pistons.
There was a game very, very similar to this that I cannot remember for the life of me.
The point of all those techs that let you build things that you can buy as a prefab is to reduce your reliance on rockets; you can become totally self-sufficient.
Can't wait for this game.
Rightly so - it's darn good.
Sp0ck z0mbi3 when does it release?
The 20th I believe
Water into fuel is science. Split the molecule and you have hydrogen and oxygen, which is what the Space Shuttle used. It takes a lot of energy to do that, though. They are hoping to make hydrazine from the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere.
Loves automation. Still hasn't done a video on Factorio.
"I don't see a farm here, but i am seeing Soil Adaptation.... so i can build a farm"
If tv has taught me anything don't drink the water on Mars.
The only thing I distinctly dislike about this game is that if you start with a tech unlocked you never get the bonus points you'd have gotten when it was researched.
I think dustdevils are like tiny tornadoes with lots of dust?
Good job there are no roads in this game or this would be going very wrong!
Another game that makes me wish for time travel so I can play all the games. Also, there exists 'heavy water' which is super nuclear water. =)
The air pressure on Mars is 0.6% of Earth's. I'm not sure a wind turbine would do anything at all.
A dust devil is a tornado but sandy.
I hope this goes better than his kerbal stream...
The ship is like a shark!!!
I wonder what the mystery will be. Will it be cubes? A sphere? Possibly a cylinder? We might be lucky and it's a torus....
i bought the game thinking that since everyone was playing that it was out. now i can't play it and im sad
yes jon, water broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, when in thier liquid states then mixed, are pretty good liquid rocket fuels ^^ science is great.
Europe, Don't Panic and the Elysium Beta landing site... great minds think alike!
Oh... A vertical axis wind turbine. The worst kind of wind turbine if you like efficiency.
Water to fuel is a science! Your rockets must be using liquid oxegyn/hydrogen as fuel, which can be produced by electrolysing water, which breaks the thing being electricolised into it's component parts!
"I don't know anything about the game, but Paradox is paying me, so I will keep publishing content."
Chris Topher Ok what's your point you're not forced to watch you know.
What software do you use to film your pc game plays or how do I film my gameplays