To kind of spoil things and draw an analogy from chess, she's a pawn that worked her way into becoming a queen. Her only motivation is to get out of frontlines by advancing her position in the military. But she becomes so good at it fighting that she becomes an indispensable asset, which screws her over in the long run. The things she did are probably war crimes long after the fact. Also no one to considers it so because the Germany of the isekai world is surrounded on all fronts. They need every border covered asap, or else they get lynched. The guy that gets isekai'd into becoming Tanya is a full on rational thinker, morals be damned. A well oiled machine in the flesh, to the point she's a roaring locomotive with a face of a demented child driven insane by the knowledge of knowing god is tormenting her to turn to religion as a source of power. In the manga they introduce various patheons of gods that discuss ways of making humans pray to them again and use Tanya as an unwilling mouthpiece. Only when some enemy nations start paying attention to the things she says as she's casting spells do they get the inkling that to go against her requires a *miracle*. Yeah the 'power of god' parts of the exhibits aren't too far off. Tanya is introducing a power ceiling in that world that requires people to pray and dedicate themselves to reaching Tanya's level.
Exhibit D (It happens in the middle of exhibit C): while stationed in the desert, the food given to Tanya's battalion was trash, just pasta that they can't even cook because you know, it's the DESERT so there is no water around to "waste". What was Tanya's solution? Attack enemy bases just for the ingredients and water to cook. Enemy soldier: "WHY? This base holds no strategic value whatsoever, why are we getting shelled?" Tanya: "Run your pockets n****, I know you got basil!"
In addition, Tanya specifically attacked bases that were stationed between the Allies, so she could ensure that she could get many different ingredients. And with that, without knowing it, she destroyed the entire infrastructure of the Allies in Africa.
Bear in mind Chavez that CJ cut out A LOT of context and levity for the sake of entertainment. The Anime, manga and light Novels show that Tanya isn’t as evil as she’s portrayed here. She’s a savage but so are all those she’s engaged in battle with. *SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE PROLOGUE In the actually story, Tanya in her previous life encounters god moments before being killed by the train. God basically asks why dude don’t believe in God, which the guy flat out denies gods existence to his face and says he has no need for faith in the modern world blessed with technology and modern conveniences. So God says, “alright, If I reincarnate you in a world without technology, you’ll have faith?” So God reincarnates the dude into Tanya. The entire Anime is Tanya trying to get revenge on this God for doing this to her and throughout the entire story thus far, God or Being X keeps interfering with her life, putting her life in danger multiple times before reaching 12. Gods even manipulated events around Tanya to force a World War situation in order to put her in active danger.
Some explanations. Tanya is a master of loopholes when it comes to not technically committing war crimes. Her motivation is to try and get a safe and cushy job, but life keeps getting in the way. Mary Sioux came back and the final battle between them took an entire movie. Another thing to mention about Tanya is that she isn't as outright cruel in the original source material as she is in the anime. The two soldiers weren't deliberately sent to their deaths for instance. The reason she was so savage to her battalion during training was because she was trying to discourage them into quitting, so that she wouldn't get sent to the front. Over time, the soldiers who follow her orders end up becoming "her men" and she grows to feel loyalty to them.
Yeah, shes tries to sabotage herself but it backfires and she keeps getting promoted. And she tries to get her men to quit, but she ends up turning them into elite soldiers devoted to her.
@@emircanozad914 It wasn't Tanya who sent them to the pillbox. She just reassigned them to the back and it was the Empire's military admin that sent them there. However the whole point of this story is that in Tanya's previous life in Japan, (s)he was someone without any empathy which continued in her new life. And the real villain is god (who Tanya calls "Being X" as she does not believe in god) who doesn't like the fact that modern humans lack any faith in him, so he sends her/him to this different world which is at war and where women are treated as they were in our world 100 years ago. But he gives Tanya a massive amount of mana which will mean that Tanya will be made a soldier despite being a little girl. But for Tanya to utilize that massive mana in order to survive, she has to verbally praise him which will make the people around Tanya to become believers. In other words, "god" is using war, death, and suffering to make converts. Not exactly as how modern religions portray "god" but true to history.
@@emircanozad914 The idea was that soldiers that can't obey orders are going to get themselves or others killed in their wreckless stupidity. Tanya was going to send them off the frontlines as punishment but they basically said they'd rather die than go home. So she put them in a post where they'd probably die and not get anyone else killed. Ruthless and leaning towards psychotic, but overall she gave them the warning and couldnt have them doing stupid stuff in a war. The anime also has this in episode 1 and it is playing up the psycho nature of Tanya to hook viewers, before adding any complexity to her character.
Yep. She is never cruel for no reason. She is cruel. But she has a reason. The best example is her training camp, she was so cruel to the recruits trying to get them to quit, so she could delay the deployment to the front. It backfired and they were all too scared to quit, but you know... that was her plan at least.
You guys would really enjoy this anime. Tanya isn't a good person, but she actually doesn't want to be on the battlefield AT ALL. The leaders of her country just keep sending her there because she's literally the best strategist they have and is also the most skilled. Tanya's only goal is to remove herself from danger and not get killed at all so that she can be reincarnated again. She goes through a lot of loopholes that any other military goes through when it comes to war crimes, and the other side is shown as well. You also have to realize she has to obey orders or she'll be charged for going against orders. Her main enemy is legit God who gives her and Mary their crazy powers.
It's literally God trying to teach him a lesson and he didn't believe in a higher power . God is just forcing him into situations where he has to say his name.
@@luckyzshero4025 actually the gods are fueling the war so people can praise and worship them and believe in them, they the true villians to be honest.
The context is: if WW1 happened a couple decades late, and theres magic and magic-tech. So its not about WW2 race- NAZI stuff, more about the imperial struggles of WW1 and pointless grind of war with no end in sight. Tanya knows the conflict is spiraling into a global confict and is trying to stop it, but the Higher Ups and the "god" character is actively pushing the world to war. So she's stuck in constant war and becomes more and more unhinged because of it. So, I think it shows the WW1 historical aspects quite well. Its not my favorite anime, but is a lot more nuanced then this video made it out to be.
OK, but do we really need context to see if she belongs to be at, "The Table of Black Airforce Activity"? That was the point of the video, right? We can go in deep about the anime, the characters, motivations, and all of it but was that what CJ was talking about? I ask because it seems that Chavez, his wife, and everyone else got confused about what the video was about. Asking if we are supposed to be rooting for Tanya or not? If they meant, should we be rooting for her to join the table or not fine, but it sounded as if they were asking if we should root for her as a character doing what she does. Which is not what CJ is talking about. The Character is evil, CJ says it many times, but is she evil enough to part of the table, that is the question.
for context she technically didn't commit a war crime 💀 She has 2 voices. Her real voice that sounds more mature and a cutesy voice that makes her sound a lot younger. She had to give them a warning of attack, so she used her cutesy voice to make it sound like a prank from a child so they wouldn't take it seriously. And then proceeded to bomb tf out of them
@@B_bang22 Have a child read out an announcement and after some time bomb a village, giving the child announcement as an excuse Nobody took it seriously, but apparently that's enough for it to not be a war crime apparently
@@B_bang22 according to Tanya in the novels To disobey the law is idiotic, but it is the duty of every single men, women, and child to find loopholes in those laws, and Tanya is a master of loopholes, what she does during the war can only described as exploitation before it got banned, the Bombing of Arene, people will make treaties to make sure that shit doesn't happens again.
Minor correction the more cutesy voice with the lisp is her normal voice the more mature voice is one she affects for her job, as she was speaking in a recently learned language 'Dacian' she couldn't really use her more mature voice.
To be honest, those two dudes mouthed off to Tanya when she was going to send them home. They said they wanted to fight and die for their country, so she arranged for that. Also in case the video didn't make this obvious: Tanya is an advocate for peace. No really! She's just very good at her job and likes being efficient. It's a good show and the fight scenes are great, worth a watch, with a new season in production.
I love the fact that you brought this up because you're not wrong, she does advocate for peace. Even more than that she actively is trying to be sent home with full military honors so that she can get her pension early. She just wants a comfy lifestyle. She went into the military because she was reincarnated into an orphanage lifestyle and saw it as a quick way to get money.
Chavez, that part where she was talking through the megaphone was legal because she warned them. Also in the series they gave her the megaphone so that they believed it was a kids joke and wouldnt take it seriously.
Having read the manga I can tell you it's less about being an historical retelling as much as being a war/tactics fantasy manga when it comes to its main point it is not lazy. I think it's unfair to compare this and attack on titian since they are two completely different beast. Also there are very few mangas like this one and it is very good. I don't know about the anime.(from what I heard the anime is fun and give more context but still butchers the manga a Bit.) Tanya is a protagonist not a hero, but wouldn't call her the villain , her main thing is to win the war and she finds alot of loopholes to do so. I do get your point tho and i can see why someone like you wouldn't watch it. I also am a big history buff and with chavezz saying it I could see how it could be dangerous. personally I don't take manga/anime that seriously, but I can see how someone else might see it like that.
Its the casual nonviewers and videos like this that are dangerous, they take the entire point of the show out of context. People call Tanya a Nazi-Loli, when its related to Imperial Germany and WW1 not NAZI Germany of WW2. The title also calls her Evil as clickbait, and makes her seem especially psycho in episode 1 to hook new viewers. When in fact the Japanese title has nothing to do with being evil, and shes actually the one trying to keep the war from escalating and turning into a global conflict.
I read some of the novels and I have to say: it is nice when you clearly see that the author knows some stuff about military history. The stuff in Youyo Senki makes actually sense. Their technology, tactics, doctrine, and how it develops over the course of the war... checks out. Too often people write about stuff without having even a basic understanding of the historical, sociological, or scientific context of what they are writing about (which is how you get fantasy movies with paper-armor, dab colored peasants, idiotic tactics and weird mishmash of technology that does not make sense in context). Youjo Senki does it quite well. Another example of an author being quite good in this regard is "Cast under an Alien Sun" by Olan Thorensen (kind of a western isekai novel).
She's not exactly as evil as the video portrayed her to be. Most people assume when a character is evil, that they are the *Chaotic Evil* archetype, one that revels in other's suffering and perpetuates evil for the sake of evil. She's not that type of evil. (the Joker is an example of chaotic evil) Her evil is more *Lawful Evil,* she acts very efficiently and does things that benefits her no matter the cost but she doesn't actively harms others just for the fun of it or just for doing it for no reason. If it benefits herself, her career and her image, she doesn't mind basically torturing her soldiers to make them into the supersoldiers that she wants them to be. Another thing is that she *technically didn't commit a single war crime yet,* she used *loopholes* in the rules of war of her current time period to finish her missions efficiently. What she did is by their rules of war not illegal, but definitely still morally wrong. And she knows that yet still does it because she benefits from doing it by allowing her to lessen the risks to her own soldiers, finish the conflict faster, and most importantly, to get another achievement that will help her military career. TLDR; She's evil but not for the sake of just being evil but for the sake of herself. She hasn't committed a war crime at all by their world's rules of war because she used loopholes on it.
@@rioulethebeats9717 She used loopholes, if you want the details on what loopholes she used, go read the manga or the light novel, or even just the wikia about it. Because of her taking advantage of those loopholes, she by their world's rules of war, haven't committed a war crime at all.
@@rioulethebeats9717 It isn't. Killing routing enemies been the bread&butter of military actions in history. Attacking an opposing force which is in retreat isn't always wise, though. Both for practical and political reasons. That being said shooting down bombers which moments ago were about to kill a lot of your own men is entirely justified. Unless they surrender, land in an enemy airfield and allow themselves to be in custody they remain legit military targets. What do you think would happen if said bombers get to return? They will attack your own forces again, of course! Chasing an enemy that tries to escape is the bare minimum that should be done in most situations. What is the difference between surrender and retreat? Everything. Retreating means you remove the unit from the combat zone. It doesn't mean said units cease to be a threat. They just won't fight in that particular moment. Surrender means you submit to the other force and become a prisoner of war. When in the process of surrender it is indeed a war crime to continue the aggression. That being said if the surrendering soldiers try to fight back or escape then the soldiers are authorized to use force, even deadly. And of course the side which tries to "feign surrender" would be committing a war crime in this situation. So as you notice the very concept of retreat is opposed to surrender. If a soldier can retreat they would never surrender. If.
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@@rioulethebeats9717 They werent retreating either, it is stated that the mages are using the excuse of "Protecting" the civilians to still attack the enemy: Neither side is good, you should have learned that long ago matey
Tanya is a prime example of writing an antagonistic protag. She's like the main example of "Protagonists aren't always the good guys - a protag is just who the story is about."
The character Tanya was in an Orphanage and had very high mana, which is why she was able to join the military. She joined it because it was a better life and opportunity to move up in the world.
In the show she bypassed wartime law on her attack on the capital because she gave Warning of the attack and didn't directly attack civilians, she just targeted a factory that happened to have explosives.
A lot of this was exaggerated and taken out of context. Tanya is pretty ruthless but still plays things by the book, she doesnt do war crimes, her primary goal is to get out of fighting or ending the war. The supernatural "god" Being though keeps messing things up and making the war keep going to keep her struggling to survive.
13:40 Tanya used that high pitched voice because she’s legally required by international law to warn them before the attack. She didn’t want them to take her warning seriously(they didn’t) so she could *maximize* casualties.
@@0816M3RC Not technically a war crime. A war crime is when you break international wartime law. She technically didn’t break the law. She simply used a loophole. She’s only required to give the warning. She’s not required to make sure they take the warning seriously.
while the anime is called Tanya of the evil, her character is actually more of a pragmatic sociopath with occasional sadistic tendencies. Tanya isn't really a character the author wants to glorify, she is a cold unempathetic mercenary who delights in victory. Yet at the same time her opposition Mary Sioux insists on being a bleeding-heart self-righteous moron. It's interesting, there aren't really any good sides.
which is why shes literally evil.she doesnt care. she feels nothing. and people hold zero value to her as seen in her past life. she is a danger and i hope she gets laid out.
13:40 so Tanya is like another level of loopholes for war crimes to the point where she was known for it. I think the title of the anime is literally Tanya the Terrible. This is actually a good example, when she attacked this capital she specifically wanted to be the one to announce the attack beforehand because she has the voice of a child thus everyone thought it was some kid having fun on the intercoms. Afterwards they attacked and when questioned she could just say “Hey I tried to warn them beforehand.” Edit: Nevermind it was Tanya the Evil…my point still stands.
Ok, the real reason she did that is because it's actually a law of war to warn a town when you're attacking them so they have time to evacuate or get to shelter. The thing is, Tanya only did her kid voice to trick them all into thinking that is was only a prank. And it worked.
I mean i wouldn't call a series lazy or amazing without watching the actual show and seeing it only through a quasi parody of it. It's much more nuanced than what is shown here and actually has some funny points.
Tanya is actually a great rule follower but she also is a master at loopholes, so she didn’t technically commit war crimes. It’s a great anime I 100% recommended it!
Really, its a great watch and it makes way more sense and fits so much better in 'reality' with the way things are explained and how many characters act. The characters and situations feel like things that could actually happen in war, especially back then which makes the whole thing more immersive. (Obviously the LN is way more brutal in details of her actions and how things go down with Mary Sue, but that kind of goes without saying.)
About the cabin, there were basically British spies in it trying to get data on the germans and shit, so that's why she blew them up. Also he cut out a lot of parts where Mary was basically firing lasers at Tanya during the fight, technically Mary out classes Tanya, but Tanya beats her in intelligence and strategy.
17:26, Her only redeemable qualities are how much will and strategic skill she has to survive in a world like this, even if the way she uses it usually means several people around her wind up suffering for it.
Besides her being "evil" I also like hoe despite who she is she grows to care for her squad even if she's being tsundere about by rationalising it I'm her head. And how that helps her with avoiding some potential bad ends.
@@lop90ful1 No, she has very clear plans to bring her to a goal that overall remains the same, and she does her best to adapt to the problems that gods are throwing at her.
Anyone who's ever watched the show knows Tanya deserves that seat at the table. No questions or objections period. As you all can see, the title of the anime "The Saga of Tanya the Evil" is truth in advertising. Y'all definitely need to watch it. It is sooooo good. And yes, she IS the protagonist. So many people wrongly use "hero" and "protagonist" interchangeably, when they are two completely separate things. It's one of the reasons that Tanya and Overlord are hands down my favorite anime in recent years, no question or hesitation.
And here I thought the accurate translation was something like: "Journals of a Soldier Girl". She doesn't belong on the table. Edit: "The Military Chronicles of a Little Girl".
A lot of the context was left out to make the video CJ did entertaining. Tanya is actually not evil per-say but I can see why people would think that.. It’s a great anime, if you ever want to watch it you can search it by either going with its Japanese name Youjo Senki or English name Saga of Tanya the evil… P.S I know the title says she’s evil 😂 but she’s not really..maybe
(Around 16:35) Fun fact this character is meant to be a direct Eren Jaeger allegory, so much so that his character design is *apparently* a near identical trace job over a frame of Child Eren in the same position, looking up at the destruction caused by their enemies with a vengeful look that said "I Will make you pay for this eventually". Which is why Tanya wasn't taking chances and said "clap them start up revenge machines before they get the chance" absolutely brutal thought process and actions but can't fault that logic after looking at said inspiration's final act being The Ultimate Revenge.
The thing is that CJ made her look like an actual psycho in his vid when in reality she's more of a sociopath; She doesn't actually enjoy killing or making others suffer, she just does her job in the most efficient way possible and, when she can, she will go above and beyond to make sure that her country wins the war so that the war ends. All she does is in order to end the war as she sees war as a mindless and unproductive flaw of humanity and an obstacle to her true objective: to work behind a desk just like she did before getting isekaied. But since she's a sociopath, she doesn't mind all the murdering and "war crimes" she comits (she doesn't actually comit any war crimes since she always finds a loophole or new way to bend the rules so that it justifies her actions as legal in times of war), this makes her an invaluable asset to her superiors, who always enthrust her with difficult missions, usually beyond the front lines as a type of special hit squad (that's why she could go into that one country's capital and blow tf out of it [well not actually the capital, but more of a guns factory if i remember correctly]) So yeah, she's evil. As lawful evil as you can get. But if she had a choice, she would work as a secretary or something like that.
No, Tanya would never want to be a secretary. She wants mid upper management work where she still follows orders but also disseminates those orders to others
@@dubuyajay9964 Before death, he was on the path to middle upper management. When he became Tanya, she figured to do the same in the new world she was in, which is why she joined the military so early. She's been promoted to Major already by the time of the movie. If she reaches Colonel, her wishes of a permanent post in the rear will likely become a reality.
Tanya isn't absolutely evil, she doesn't do what she does just to have people suffer/die. She's a *lawful evil* she only follows orders/rules she's given no matter how bad. In her new life she does bend the rules more ONLY because she wants the war to end as quick as possible without becoming a world war and live a quiet life. But I definitely don't agree with some of the stuff she do no matter what/why. The main villain in this anime is Being X(a.k.a God). Who only reincarnated him/her to force him to believe in God. With that, Being X is super petty allowing thousands to die and directly interfering negatively. You should definitely watch the anime so much was cut out of this video. It'll still be entertaining and make sense if you do.
The thing about Tanya is that she is a master of manipulating loopholes- for instance, when she gave the enemy town a warning, that IS what she was supposed to do legally- but if you are going about your day and hear the voice of the a 10 year old girl on the radio claiming your town is about to be bombed if you don't surrender, would you believe her? Probably not, and that is what she was counting on
*History major here.* It's not World War II, as CJ mentioned trenches. Trenches were an extremely dated tactic by the start of WWII because warfare at this point changed so much that modern warfare tactics was built upon WWII. WWI is fundamentally known for trench warfare - a _defensive_ tactic used to provide cover from enemy fire and hindered troops from advancing (which is in part why WWI dragged on for as long as it did). Edit: Trench warfare is most definitely one of the most identifying differences between WWI and WWII from a regular person's perspective aside from the names of the opposing sides (WWI has the Central Powers versus Allied Powers, WWII has the Axis Powers and the Allies).
I mean, Tanya basically takes place in the interwar period of our world, it’s WW 1.5 with magic. After ep10 with operation shock and awe we see what’s basically Panzer 3s and combined arms mobile combat. We start on the trenches of ww1, life trough the fall of France and Dunkirk, the North African front before going to the Soviet Union. Speedrunning both world wars
Before blowing up the capital Tanya put on her most UWU little girl voice and made unreasonable demands. Everyone on the ground thought it was a prank. Then when they failed to act in compliance she was free to attack.
He skipped the part where she show sympathy and that tanya really didn't like war and just wants a comfortable position so she doesn't have to go to war anymore sadly that's why tanya had little sympathy but if she joined the US army they would have won faster and the story would have bin more boring 😴 at least to me
@@marmyeater she's a villain protagonist. Tanya is evil and God is worse. That's all there is to it. A character doesn't have to go out of their way to do bad things or have some irrational goal(like the joker)to be evil. Tanya like anyone has a goal/dream yet unlike most will do anything she has to do to get it no matter who it hurts or who she/he has to hurt. That's literally all a villain is.
@@calvintyler9281 the definition of evil is to be extremely immoral.... And the definition of moral is to conduct yourself with proper conduct. She literally does everything with proper conduct it's quite literally one of her main character traits. What has Tanya done that is evil? Kill a father and attempt to kill the daughter? Not only did that father invade Tanya's country first he attacked her first and then got beat. They met two other times after that and both times he attacked her first and both times she beat him. The same can be said for the daughter. Firing a guy who wasn't doing his job correctly? Killing soldiers during a war? I genuinely cannot recall a single moment within the story where Tanya was actually evil
The Saga of Tanya the Evil is much more a character study and a "villain vs villain" story than a typical "good vs evil" story. The characters are all framed behind a morally gray background (or in Tanya's case a "morally dark gray background"), because every character in this story is the victim of manipulationm by something greater, while also knowingly making choices that are definetley not morally good. Its not like some all knowing evil puppet master is behind everything (although at points that is also somewhat present), but rather many moving parts pulling all the strings into all directions at once... for example, the propaganda of a fascist leadership, the divine influence of a self-proclaimed god, the boiling emotions of war and its trauma, or the orders of a superior officer, just to name a few of these forces. The Saga of the Tanya the Evil is a well accomplished narrative if you ask me, but definetley not a story that everyone can enjoy, as the main character is Tanya who unlike the title of the show or this video may suggest, is not as directly "evil" as it may seem, but she still does her fair share of very reprehensible shit (which is like, totally fair if you dont wanna watch that). The show definetley never frames Tanya as "good" though, her morality and her intentions are constantly questioned by all the people around her, but like said...she is more of a "moral dark gray" character, which kinda makes her perfect for the role of main character for the type of story that this show is actually about. Although like said, definetley not for everyone... and if you just wanna see some villain get absolutley destroyed then this show will definetley not be for you, since it just is not about that at all.
The "random" shack Tanya blows up was an enemy listening post she back traced and was disguised as a civilian building, which I believe was an actual war crime. So TL:DR, that was a legit target.
Viewer: How did they not get court marshalled? Me: Tanya gave them a warning, even if it was in a little girl's voice that made them think it was fake. Kid Buu: Your hired.
that last take sounds super political ngl. I honestly Love the show, one of my fav anime of all time, second only to code Geass, and like you said anime has a tendency to go a bit off script with historical retellings, but I love the way this one does it, because it shows the first world war from a German perspective, so while Tanya does some shitty stuff for her own benefit, she would have been seen and classed as a hero not a villain because she was winning fights. I think watching the anime first before calling it lazy would be good, cause in the anime obviously we have a German protag, but we also have just as important allied forces characters like Mary Sioux.
There was a whole arc in the north Africa desert where Tanya was casually insulting Italy while they take their supplies. They gave her packed lasagna and some water for their platoon and told her to scavenge for other things to eat and drink. She said alright bet and proceed to rob all supplies of the Italians and forced them to retreat. So the Italians found out the operation is called lasagna and she did all of that just to cook good lasagna
I mean there are animes were the protagonist are the villains. And I only know of two isekai’s were the protagonists is the villain. This one and Overlord
The show is basically.... Tanya vs God. yes, actual God. Kinda weird he didn't mention that. God actually talks to her throughout the show, and They got beeeeef! God just wants her/him to be a better person, to believe in him and pray to him ...if only just one time. Tanya is like "eh...why the f would I do that. f that and f you." 💀 So God's like ....well damn . . . 🤣 God is also like .....if you won't pray, maybe it's because you don't feel a need to, you don't feel that life requires it. .....but what if the right situation were to happen.... what then? Tanya says...I don't need you. God says ....but oh you will. It's worth a watch.
You have to watch the show it really does give more information and make it feel more historical you just watched one of CJ DACHAMP videos he isn't gonna go into all the details
That’s kinda the problem with CJs videos is that he scratches out so much actual context behind certain scenes just to sell the black air force vid and it really paint some Characters in a worse light than they truly are
@@marvenhendi3831 except you get shit like this where they just completely misunderstand the entire show. Hell in his Roberta video he fucked up hard near the end because he couldn’t explain anything for shit abd just gave people the wrong impression of what was going on
This is a spoiler if you aren't reading or ever going to watch the anime. They end up losing the war after prolonged, drawn-out fighting, she escapes to the US and joins their Air force, and basically, all governments agreed to wipe off every crime and everything about her unit because of how fucked it was. But the author hates happy endings, so she doesn't get a happy ending.
25:39 I feel like Youjo Senki when it comes to "Inspired by Germany" is better than attack on Titan for the simple reason that it is BLATANT, while Attack on Titan basically just copy pasted the Nazi and Jewish history and experience, but made the Germans the victims and the Jews the Nazis, in Youjo Senki, IT IS the Nazi Germany or The Empire that's doing all the No no's.
it should be noted that during the training arc tanya didn't actually fire all of those rounds at her men, she had an artillery division perform what they thought was a training exercise at her men, they had no idea they were shooting at their own people for 36 hours straight. this both traumatized the artillery division assigned to her battlegroup, and also traumatized her men. that said, this kind of training isn't unheard of irl, seal team 6 / delta force, JSOC, and JSDF SFG are among some of the elite soldiers that undergo insanely brutal and death defying training like this to make them incredibly battle hardened and unfazed in extreme and even unreal situations. it should also be said that their chances of surviving if they dug a deep foxhole would be increased to 80%, 90% if they dug an "L" channel that hides the entrance from where the soldier is cooped up in, but in their case that 80% is more than enough since they also have magical shields that can tank 1 or 2 of those artillery shells every so often, given enough time to regenerate their shields can keep them safe from artillery for all 36 hours. that wont get rid of shell shock though, the only cure for that is to grow a pair. it should also be said that tanya did absolutely *no warcrimes,* she skirted across the very legal edge of the rules of war as far as 1914 is concerned (before the geneva convention), for example she is required to announce an attack against a city or country as an act of war before making that attack, undeclared acts of war is considered a warcrime, which is why she announced her bombardment of the capital city before attacking, but she did so in a very cute childish voice to make sure she didn't convince anyone that she was serious so she can inflict maximum casualties, its easy to replace a factory but hard to replace skilled labor after all (oh yeah forgot to mention, she bombarded a military target - an ammunition factory, perfectly legal). shes also well within her right to nuke that log cabin which was harboring a hidden enemy command center in sovereign territory, considered as high treason. she was also well within her right to retaliate against insurgents that shot at her troops, before demanding them to surrender for being clearly outmatched (also a legal requirement), she then used video evidence of the resistance movement killing an unarmed allied soldier as an excuse to reclassify them from a resistance movement into a terrorist movement, granting her the legal ability to order an indiscriminate artillery barrage across the whole town. since they were classified as terrorists, killing actual civilians also became legal since they could be treated as traitors for aiding the enemy. the entire town was legally deemed as an enemy of the state. it should also be said that during this time period if you were branded as a traitor and enemy of the state, by royal decree all of your relatives across 3 generations and their 1st born children are to be executed as co-conspirators to a traitor. this anime happened in ww1 when germany still had a king known as the "Kaiser", so this very specific royal decree could be used to eliminate all of the civilians in that entire town with absolutely no legal repercussions. nuking that red city (you know which one, i cant say it because yt censorship) later on is kind of in the grey zone, as far as 1914 rules of war are concerned its perfectly legal, but as far as the geneva convention is concerned its not. but believe it or not planting your flag in someone elses country and singing your national anthem back then was perfectly legal, if not horribly unethical and extremely disrespectful. i should also add this at the end, in this timeline the allied powers are the bad guys, the axis powers are the good guys believe it or not. roles reversed in this isekai world. also personally speaking, i would disagree with you in thinking that an anime where the MC is the antagonist is boring, because it absolutely isn't, i've watched thousands and mean fudging thousands of anime in my life and im sick and tired of watching anime about the boring shallow arse no personality protagonist of literally every shounen anime on earth winning because of plot armor or some other bs, ive dealt with 20+ years of that bull****** in my life and its so boring that it made me wanna quit being an otaku several times, then some amazing anime like Overlord, Tokyo Ghoul, Deathnote, Guilty Crown, Rising of the Shield Hero, Redo of a Healer, Vinland Saga, Hellsing Ultimate, Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan), Youjo Senki (Tanya the Evil) came out that turned the table completely around, allowing us to see the antagonists side of the story and see them winning for a change, it was such a huge breath of fresh air for someone like me who's watched far more anime than anyone else i know including you. there is a reason *Overlord* is having its *4TH SEASON* right now, its because protagonist anime suck.
Tanya is by far the most anti of anti-heroes in all isekai series'! xD I mean, this particular example has warped a moderate amount of context but still hit like 80% of that nail on the head! Probably the best part about anti-hero isekai is how they generally just do not give a f*ck and STILL end up saving the world however the hell they so choose to do it. It's like they start off with half points spent in Renegade, and only gradually towards the end of the season start spending TPs in Paragon (that's right, I used a Mass Effect reference here xD) only AFTER maxing out that entire red bar.
19:02 nah dot be mad at Victoria she’s just doing her job, Tanya’s her superior and she’s been by her side for years and Colonel Sioux was her enemy what’d you expect her to do😭
for the record, it may look like tanya effortlessly did all those things because of how cj said it but trust me it isn't a power fantasy, the first book in the light novel series put a warning at the end that basically said "if you like stories where the main character always wins and stories filled with hope, I advise you stop reading this series" she doesn't just deal with physical struggles in terms of fights but also corrupt milatary practices and, oh yeah forgot to mention, god is actively sabatoging her, yes THE god the one from the literal bible (according to him) and regardless of what it might seem there is always at least some justification in what tanya does like with the artilery strike on that city, the reason that happened was because the opposing military was trying to basically hide behind their civillians to guilt trip the enemy so that they could just easily wipe them out and it wasn't tanya's decision to do the artilery strike it was what the higher ups intended to happen before the battle even happened
For some context she didn't "use her kid voice" that's she just used her normal voice. They even make a point of having her soldiers laugh about it saying what you did and she gets pissed remarking that's just how she sounds
Colonel and Mary Sue are not from Arkansas. They're actually from the equivalent of Sweden. After the war starts, Colonel Sue sends his family to the equivalent of the US in that world
From what I remember, the title the saga of Tanya the evil is a mistranslation from the original japanese title Joyo senki, the militairy chronicles of a little girl. And she really is just that in that world. A little girl, stuck facing opression, having to pray to a god she doesn't believe in just to attempt to survive. Every move she makes is to grow up safely and die of old age. So because her country is at war and she has the mean to make herself not part of a subjugated country, she will help out. The military people also get a better pension and better benefits. So for a war orphan that's about the only way to get anything to her name. She uses magic to drug herself up during combat, mostly because she's terrified of the things she sees and gets into. So any ruthless decissions are just her going. I need to snuff out this fire to avoid getting backstabbed. Honestly Tanya often is portrayed as either really calm and cold or the opposite pretty deranged. But most of that stems from her trying to keep her anxiety in check based on what she knows of her previous life and the fact she's never seen war before. Add in that she also has to deal with the harassment of being X, who is practically always gloating and controlling everything around her to the point that he even tells her. She can only access her greater abilities by praying to him, but for each prayer she will lose a piece of her old identity. Eventually she'll be forced to believe in him. And that's another aspect that I can see being terrifying as well. Nobody wants to lose their sense of self after all. And while she tries to avoid getting into situations where she has to use those bigger spells, if she avoids the situation, being X will make a situation where she has to use it. Hence Mary.
Shoulda seen her in the spin off, Isekai quartet with her, Ainz ool Gown (overlord), Subaru (re zero), and Kazuma (Kono suba) all getting reisekai'd into another world and forced to go to school together.
This is just anime Tanya. Manga Tanya is another level. Also, she technically didn’t ‘commit’ war crimes.
Exactly! When I saw the episode when they invade the capital and she used her little girl voice as a declaration of war I lost my shit
They only bombed weapons depots, and gave them a warning first. Its not her fault they didnt believe her.
To kind of spoil things and draw an analogy from chess, she's a pawn that worked her way into becoming a queen. Her only motivation is to get out of frontlines by advancing her position in the military. But she becomes so good at it fighting that she becomes an indispensable asset, which screws her over in the long run.
The things she did are probably war crimes long after the fact. Also no one to considers it so because the Germany of the isekai world is surrounded on all fronts. They need every border covered asap, or else they get lynched.
The guy that gets isekai'd into becoming Tanya is a full on rational thinker, morals be damned. A well oiled machine in the flesh, to the point she's a roaring locomotive with a face of a demented child driven insane by the knowledge of knowing god is tormenting her to turn to religion as a source of power.
In the manga they introduce various patheons of gods that discuss ways of making humans pray to them again and use Tanya as an unwilling mouthpiece. Only when some enemy nations start paying attention to the things she says as she's casting spells do they get the inkling that to go against her requires a *miracle*. Yeah the 'power of god' parts of the exhibits aren't too far off. Tanya is introducing a power ceiling in that world that requires people to pray and dedicate themselves to reaching Tanya's level.
Hell if anything, Colonel Soux did commit a crime. After all, he used a trench gun during non trench warfare
Ah yes Loopholes what would we do without them 😒😒😑🙃😂😂
Exhibit D (It happens in the middle of exhibit C): while stationed in the desert, the food given to Tanya's battalion was trash, just pasta that they can't even cook because you know, it's the DESERT so there is no water around to "waste". What was Tanya's solution? Attack enemy bases just for the ingredients and water to cook.
Enemy soldier: "WHY? This base holds no strategic value whatsoever, why are we getting shelled?"
Tanya: "Run your pockets n****, I know you got basil!"
I mean shit, I would too
In addition, Tanya specifically attacked bases that were stationed between the Allies, so she could ensure that she could get many different ingredients. And with that, without knowing it, she destroyed the entire infrastructure of the Allies in Africa.
lmao she does that again later on to loot supplies cause their superiors didn't gave her enough
nah robbing military bases for some pasta is crazy
for good food i would do it too
Bear in mind Chavez that CJ cut out A LOT of context and levity for the sake of entertainment. The Anime, manga and light Novels show that Tanya isn’t as evil as she’s portrayed here. She’s a savage but so are all those she’s engaged in battle with.
*SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE PROLOGUE
In the actually story, Tanya in her previous life encounters god moments before being killed by the train. God basically asks why dude don’t believe in God, which the guy flat out denies gods existence to his face and says he has no need for faith in the modern world blessed with technology and modern conveniences. So God says, “alright, If I reincarnate you in a world without technology, you’ll have faith?”
So God reincarnates the dude into Tanya. The entire Anime is Tanya trying to get revenge on this God for doing this to her and throughout the entire story thus far, God or Being X keeps interfering with her life, putting her life in danger multiple times before reaching 12. Gods even manipulated events around Tanya to force a World War situation in order to put her in active danger.
They wont read this and you probably know it
it destroys the moral high they revel in at the end
@@mynamejeef7166 yeah but it’s fun to talk about
@@coreydillon4330 Yeah but tbh this really worsend my opinion of the 2
@@mynamejeef7166 then why you on the videos nigga lmao, hate watchers weird as fuck
Corey Dillion MyNameJeef Oof.
Some explanations. Tanya is a master of loopholes when it comes to not technically committing war crimes. Her motivation is to try and get a safe and cushy job, but life keeps getting in the way. Mary Sioux came back and the final battle between them took an entire movie.
Another thing to mention about Tanya is that she isn't as outright cruel in the original source material as she is in the anime. The two soldiers weren't deliberately sent to their deaths for instance. The reason she was so savage to her battalion during training was because she was trying to discourage them into quitting, so that she wouldn't get sent to the front. Over time, the soldiers who follow her orders end up becoming "her men" and she grows to feel loyalty to them.
Yeah, shes tries to sabotage herself but it backfires and she keeps getting promoted. And she tries to get her men to quit, but she ends up turning them into elite soldiers devoted to her.
Then what's the story behind those two soldiers if that place was exposed to artillery?
@@emircanozad914 It wasn't Tanya who sent them to the pillbox. She just reassigned them to the back and it was the Empire's military admin that sent them there. However the whole point of this story is that in Tanya's previous life in Japan, (s)he was someone without any empathy which continued in her new life. And the real villain is god (who Tanya calls "Being X" as she does not believe in god) who doesn't like the fact that modern humans lack any faith in him, so he sends her/him to this different world which is at war and where women are treated as they were in our world 100 years ago. But he gives Tanya a massive amount of mana which will mean that Tanya will be made a soldier despite being a little girl. But for Tanya to utilize that massive mana in order to survive, she has to verbally praise him which will make the people around Tanya to become believers. In other words, "god" is using war, death, and suffering to make converts. Not exactly as how modern religions portray "god" but true to history.
@@emircanozad914 The idea was that soldiers that can't obey orders are going to get themselves or others killed in their wreckless stupidity. Tanya was going to send them off the frontlines as punishment but they basically said they'd rather die than go home. So she put them in a post where they'd probably die and not get anyone else killed. Ruthless and leaning towards psychotic, but overall she gave them the warning and couldnt have them doing stupid stuff in a war. The anime also has this in episode 1 and it is playing up the psycho nature of Tanya to hook viewers, before adding any complexity to her character.
Yep. She is never cruel for no reason. She is cruel. But she has a reason. The best example is her training camp, she was so cruel to the recruits trying to get them to quit, so she could delay the deployment to the front. It backfired and they were all too scared to quit, but you know... that was her plan at least.
You guys would really enjoy this anime. Tanya isn't a good person, but she actually doesn't want to be on the battlefield AT ALL. The leaders of her country just keep sending her there because she's literally the best strategist they have and is also the most skilled. Tanya's only goal is to remove herself from danger and not get killed at all so that she can be reincarnated again. She goes through a lot of loopholes that any other military goes through when it comes to war crimes, and the other side is shown as well. You also have to realize she has to obey orders or she'll be charged for going against orders. Her main enemy is legit God who gives her and Mary their crazy powers.
It's literally God trying to teach him a lesson and he didn't believe in a higher power . God is just forcing him into situations where he has to say his name.
@@luckyzshero4025 actually the gods are fueling the war so people can praise and worship them and believe in them, they the true villians to be honest.
@@98ore yes they are
@@98ore Jesus don't do that
She out here fighting god too??
Dang bruh 🤣
"You, you and both halves of him" shouldn't of been that damn funny
The context is: if WW1 happened a couple decades late, and theres magic and magic-tech. So its not about WW2 race- NAZI stuff, more about the imperial struggles of WW1 and pointless grind of war with no end in sight. Tanya knows the conflict is spiraling into a global confict and is trying to stop it, but the Higher Ups and the "god" character is actively pushing the world to war. So she's stuck in constant war and becomes more and more unhinged because of it. So, I think it shows the WW1 historical aspects quite well. Its not my favorite anime, but is a lot more nuanced then this video made it out to be.
Yep, being x literaly went to the soviets to get them into the fight.
Also to use any of the ultimate weapon power Tanya have to pray to being X. Wish she hate to do all the time. And curse at him at the church.
OK, but do we really need context to see if she belongs to be at, "The Table of Black Airforce Activity"? That was the point of the video, right? We can go in deep about the anime, the characters, motivations, and all of it but was that what CJ was talking about? I ask because it seems that Chavez, his wife, and everyone else got confused about what the video was about. Asking if we are supposed to be rooting for Tanya or not? If they meant, should we be rooting for her to join the table or not fine, but it sounded as if they were asking if we should root for her as a character doing what she does. Which is not what CJ is talking about. The Character is evil, CJ says it many times, but is she evil enough to part of the table, that is the question.
for context she technically didn't commit a war crime 💀
She has 2 voices. Her real voice that sounds more mature and a cutesy voice that makes her sound a lot younger. She had to give them a warning of attack, so she used her cutesy voice to make it sound like a prank from a child so they wouldn't take it seriously. And then proceeded to bomb tf out of them
Still sounds like a war crime. She deceived the people she was about to bomb by giving them a "warning" that she knew was going to go unheeded.
@@0816M3RC its not tho, She did exactly what she was supposed to do. Give them a warning. Wether it go unheeded or not was not her issue
@@B_bang22 Have a child read out an announcement and after some time bomb a village, giving the child announcement as an excuse
Nobody took it seriously, but apparently that's enough for it to not be a war crime apparently
@@B_bang22 according to Tanya in the novels
To disobey the law is idiotic, but it is the duty of every single men, women, and child to find loopholes in those laws, and Tanya is a master of loopholes, what she does during the war can only described as exploitation before it got banned, the Bombing of Arene, people will make treaties to make sure that shit doesn't happens again.
Minor correction the more cutesy voice with the lisp is her normal voice the more mature voice is one she affects for her job, as she was speaking in a recently learned language 'Dacian' she couldn't really use her more mature voice.
To be honest, those two dudes mouthed off to Tanya when she was going to send them home.
They said they wanted to fight and die for their country, so she arranged for that.
Also in case the video didn't make this obvious: Tanya is an advocate for peace. No really! She's just very good at her job and likes being efficient.
It's a good show and the fight scenes are great, worth a watch, with a new season in production.
Yep because those kinds of idiots are the ones who would get everyone else killed while trying to be "brave"
I love the fact that you brought this up because you're not wrong, she does advocate for peace. Even more than that she actively is trying to be sent home with full military honors so that she can get her pension early. She just wants a comfy lifestyle. She went into the military because she was reincarnated into an orphanage lifestyle and saw it as a quick way to get money.
Chavez, that part where she was talking through the megaphone was legal because she warned them. Also in the series they gave her the megaphone so that they believed it was a kids joke and wouldnt take it seriously.
They also only targeted weapons depots and factories. (which did explode and cause collateral damage I suppose)
Having read the manga I can tell you it's less about being an historical retelling as much as being a war/tactics fantasy manga when it comes to its main point it is not lazy. I think it's unfair to compare this and attack on titian since they are two completely different beast. Also there are very few mangas like this one and it is very good. I don't know about the anime.(from what I heard the anime is fun and give more context but still butchers the manga a Bit.)
Tanya is a protagonist not a hero, but wouldn't call her the villain , her main thing is to win the war and she finds alot of loopholes to do so.
I do get your point tho and i can see why someone like you wouldn't watch it. I also am a big history buff and with chavezz saying it I could see how it could be dangerous. personally I don't take manga/anime that seriously, but I can see how someone else might see it like that.
Its the casual nonviewers and videos like this that are dangerous, they take the entire point of the show out of context. People call Tanya a Nazi-Loli, when its related to Imperial Germany and WW1 not NAZI Germany of WW2. The title also calls her Evil as clickbait, and makes her seem especially psycho in episode 1 to hook new viewers. When in fact the Japanese title has nothing to do with being evil, and shes actually the one trying to keep the war from escalating and turning into a global conflict.
@@TheCsel Exactly
and you know the 2 wont read the comments because itd destroy thier moral high and expose them as stupid and judgemental
The manga kinda butchers teh LN a bit so i guess its fair, lol.
I read some of the novels and I have to say: it is nice when you clearly see that the author knows some stuff about military history. The stuff in Youyo Senki makes actually sense. Their technology, tactics, doctrine, and how it develops over the course of the war... checks out. Too often people write about stuff without having even a basic understanding of the historical, sociological, or scientific context of what they are writing about (which is how you get fantasy movies with paper-armor, dab colored peasants, idiotic tactics and weird mishmash of technology that does not make sense in context). Youjo Senki does it quite well. Another example of an author being quite good in this regard is "Cast under an Alien Sun" by Olan Thorensen (kind of a western isekai novel).
@@mynamejeef7166 This comment is kinda cringe my guy.
She's not exactly as evil as the video portrayed her to be. Most people assume when a character is evil, that they are the *Chaotic Evil* archetype, one that revels in other's suffering and perpetuates evil for the sake of evil. She's not that type of evil. (the Joker is an example of chaotic evil)
Her evil is more *Lawful Evil,* she acts very efficiently and does things that benefits her no matter the cost but she doesn't actively harms others just for the fun of it or just for doing it for no reason.
If it benefits herself, her career and her image, she doesn't mind basically torturing her soldiers to make them into the supersoldiers that she wants them to be.
Another thing is that she *technically didn't commit a single war crime yet,* she used *loopholes* in the rules of war of her current time period to finish her missions efficiently. What she did is by their rules of war not illegal, but definitely still morally wrong. And she knows that yet still does it because she benefits from doing it by allowing her to lessen the risks to her own soldiers, finish the conflict faster, and most importantly, to get another achievement that will help her military career.
TLDR; She's evil but not for the sake of just being evil but for the sake of herself.
She hasn't committed a war crime at all by their world's rules of war because she used loopholes on it.
Killing a enemy who is retreating is war crime
@@rioulethebeats9717 She used loopholes, if you want the details on what loopholes she used, go read the manga or the light novel, or even just the wikia about it. Because of her taking advantage of those loopholes, she by their world's rules of war, haven't committed a war crime at all.
@@rioulethebeats9717 It isn't. Killing routing enemies been the bread&butter of military actions in history. Attacking an opposing force which is in retreat isn't always wise, though. Both for practical and political reasons. That being said shooting down bombers which moments ago were about to kill a lot of your own men is entirely justified. Unless they surrender, land in an enemy airfield and allow themselves to be in custody they remain legit military targets. What do you think would happen if said bombers get to return? They will attack your own forces again, of course! Chasing an enemy that tries to escape is the bare minimum that should be done in most situations.
What is the difference between surrender and retreat? Everything. Retreating means you remove the unit from the combat zone. It doesn't mean said units cease to be a threat. They just won't fight in that particular moment. Surrender means you submit to the other force and become a prisoner of war. When in the process of surrender it is indeed a war crime to continue the aggression. That being said if the surrendering soldiers try to fight back or escape then the soldiers are authorized to use force, even deadly. And of course the side which tries to "feign surrender" would be committing a war crime in this situation. So as you notice the very concept of retreat is opposed to surrender. If a soldier can retreat they would never surrender. If.
@@rioulethebeats9717 They werent retreating either, it is stated that the mages are using the excuse of "Protecting" the civilians to still attack the enemy: Neither side is good, you should have learned that long ago matey
@@rioulethebeats9717 no. A surrendering enemy is though. So when that dude was shot running out of the church that was a war crime.
Tanya is a prime example of writing an antagonistic protag. She's like the main example of "Protagonists aren't always the good guys - a protag is just who the story is about."
The character Tanya was in an Orphanage and had very high mana, which is why she was able to join the military. She joined it because it was a better life and opportunity to move up in the world.
In the show she bypassed wartime law on her attack on the capital because she gave Warning of the attack and didn't directly attack civilians, she just targeted a factory that happened to have explosives.
A lot of this was exaggerated and taken out of context. Tanya is pretty ruthless but still plays things by the book, she doesnt do war crimes, her primary goal is to get out of fighting or ending the war. The supernatural "god" Being though keeps messing things up and making the war keep going to keep her struggling to survive.
Taken out of context sure.. but not exaggerated.
Killing a retreating enemy is a war crime
@@rioulethebeats9717 no it isnt. only if they have surrendered.
@@0816M3RC It was exaggerated.
13:40 Tanya used that high pitched voice because she’s legally required by international law to warn them before the attack. She didn’t want them to take her warning seriously(they didn’t) so she could *maximize* casualties.
Yep. Therefore war crime.
@@0816M3RC Not technically a war crime. A war crime is when you break international wartime law. She technically didn’t break the law. She simply used a loophole. She’s only required to give the warning. She’s not required to make sure they take the warning seriously.
while the anime is called Tanya of the evil, her character is actually more of a pragmatic sociopath with occasional sadistic tendencies. Tanya isn't really a character the author wants to glorify, she is a cold unempathetic mercenary who delights in victory. Yet at the same time her opposition Mary Sioux insists on being a bleeding-heart self-righteous moron. It's interesting, there aren't really any good sides.
@samuel fox Tell that to the Germanic bands that burnt the Western half of the Roman Empire to the ground. Tell that to the Viet Cong.
which is why shes literally evil.she doesnt care. she feels nothing. and people hold zero value to her as seen in her past life. she is a danger and i hope she gets laid out.
So wanting to avenge your father makes you a "bleeding-heart self-righteous moron"?
This is only english "translation" of the title. The real title is something like: "Little Girl's War Chronicles".
Mary Sioux never follows orders and constantly gets the people around her killed or badly injured with her self-righteousness.
13:40 so Tanya is like another level of loopholes for war crimes to the point where she was known for it. I think the title of the anime is literally Tanya the Terrible. This is actually a good example, when she attacked this capital she specifically wanted to be the one to announce the attack beforehand because she has the voice of a child thus everyone thought it was some kid having fun on the intercoms. Afterwards they attacked and when questioned she could just say “Hey I tried to warn them beforehand.”
Edit: Nevermind it was Tanya the Evil…my point still stands.
More like Journals of a Soldier Girl.
Edit: "The Military Chronicles of a Little Girl".
Ok, the real reason she did that is because it's actually a law of war to warn a town when you're attacking them so they have time to evacuate or get to shelter. The thing is, Tanya only did her kid voice to trick them all into thinking that is was only a prank. And it worked.
I mean i wouldn't call a series lazy or amazing without watching the actual show and seeing it only through a quasi parody of it. It's much more nuanced than what is shown here and actually has some funny points.
Tanya is the embodiment of Black Air Force energy
Tanya is actually a great rule follower but she also is a master at loopholes, so she didn’t technically commit war crimes. It’s a great anime I 100% recommended it!
She uses loopholes. She's a master at that.
Really, its a great watch and it makes way more sense and fits so much better in 'reality' with the way things are explained and how many characters act. The characters and situations feel like things that could actually happen in war, especially back then which makes the whole thing more immersive. (Obviously the LN is way more brutal in details of her actions and how things go down with Mary Sue, but that kind of goes without saying.)
About the cabin, there were basically British spies in it trying to get data on the germans and shit, so that's why she blew them up. Also he cut out a lot of parts where Mary was basically firing lasers at Tanya during the fight, technically Mary out classes Tanya, but Tanya beats her in intelligence and strategy.
17:26, Her only redeemable qualities are how much will and strategic skill she has to survive in a world like this, even if the way she uses it usually means several people around her wind up suffering for it.
Lowkey Tanya the Evil might be my favorite anime. I love how evil this chaotic rat girl is. Also the setting is just so fuckin cool.
Besides her being "evil" I also like hoe despite who she is she grows to care for her squad even if she's being tsundere about by rationalising it I'm her head.
And how that helps her with avoiding some potential bad ends.
Tanya my favorite character too
Not evil, and the opposite of chaotic.
@@marmyeater the whole point is that she is chaotic but she herself has no idea.
@@lop90ful1 No, she has very clear plans to bring her to a goal that overall remains the same, and she does her best to adapt to the problems that gods are throwing at her.
Anyone who's ever watched the show knows Tanya deserves that seat at the table. No questions or objections period.
As you all can see, the title of the anime "The Saga of Tanya the Evil" is truth in advertising.
Y'all definitely need to watch it. It is sooooo good. And yes, she IS the protagonist. So many people wrongly use "hero" and "protagonist" interchangeably, when they are two completely separate things. It's one of the reasons that Tanya and Overlord are hands down my favorite anime in recent years, no question or hesitation.
What’s the anime called. I really wanna watch
@@EmoBunny69 the saga of Tanya the evil
@@masterofdreemzzz4872 oooo. Thank you!
And here I thought the accurate translation was something like: "Journals of a Soldier Girl". She doesn't belong on the table.
Edit: "The Military Chronicles of a Little Girl".
Facts
A lot of the context was left out to make the video CJ did entertaining. Tanya is actually not evil per-say but I can see why people would think that..
It’s a great anime, if you ever want to watch it you can search it by either going with its Japanese name Youjo Senki or English name Saga of Tanya the evil…
P.S I know the title says she’s evil 😂 but she’s not really..maybe
Just to comment, although it wasn't called for, that cabin had the commanders and intelligence of the enemy army that sent the planes
(Around 16:35) Fun fact this character is meant to be a direct Eren Jaeger allegory, so much so that his character design is *apparently* a near identical trace job over a frame of Child Eren in the same position, looking up at the destruction caused by their enemies with a vengeful look that said "I Will make you pay for this eventually". Which is why Tanya wasn't taking chances and said "clap them start up revenge machines before they get the chance" absolutely brutal thought process and actions but can't fault that logic after looking at said inspiration's final act being The Ultimate Revenge.
YASS I BEEN WAITING FOR YALL REACTION TO THIS❤️❤️
Tanya is definitely one of the best isekaid MC ever. She is not that bad, just doing her best to survive a cruel world.
This anime is just a giant reminder that “protagonist” doesn’t mean “hero”.
Tanya is not evil, she is just very, very efficient
The thing is that CJ made her look like an actual psycho in his vid when in reality she's more of a sociopath;
She doesn't actually enjoy killing or making others suffer, she just does her job in the most efficient way possible and, when she can, she will go above and beyond to make sure that her country wins the war so that the war ends. All she does is in order to end the war as she sees war as a mindless and unproductive flaw of humanity and an obstacle to her true objective: to work behind a desk just like she did before getting isekaied.
But since she's a sociopath, she doesn't mind all the murdering and "war crimes" she comits (she doesn't actually comit any war crimes since she always finds a loophole or new way to bend the rules so that it justifies her actions as legal in times of war), this makes her an invaluable asset to her superiors, who always enthrust her with difficult missions, usually beyond the front lines as a type of special hit squad (that's why she could go into that one country's capital and blow tf out of it [well not actually the capital, but more of a guns factory if i remember correctly])
So yeah, she's evil.
As lawful evil as you can get.
But if she had a choice, she would work as a secretary or something like that.
This seems constant with the loophole trend people keep talking aboutz
No, Tanya would never want to be a secretary. She wants mid upper management work where she still follows orders but also disseminates those orders to others
@@TheNightOwl11683 You're splitting hairs. She wants a desk job. Not frontline duty.
@@dubuyajay9964 Before death, he was on the path to middle upper management. When he became Tanya, she figured to do the same in the new world she was in, which is why she joined the military so early. She's been promoted to Major already by the time of the movie. If she reaches Colonel, her wishes of a permanent post in the rear will likely become a reality.
You guys really need to react to this anime, SO MUCH OF THIS SHIT MAKES MORE SENSE after you get the context.
No just no. She's evil. She's clearly a "knot-zees"
Tanya isn't absolutely evil, she doesn't do what she does just to have people suffer/die. She's a *lawful evil* she only follows orders/rules she's given no matter how bad. In her new life she does bend the rules more ONLY because she wants the war to end as quick as possible without becoming a world war and live a quiet life. But I definitely don't agree with some of the stuff she do no matter what/why. The main villain in this anime is Being X(a.k.a God). Who only reincarnated him/her to force him to believe in God. With that, Being X is super petty allowing thousands to die and directly interfering negatively.
You should definitely watch the anime so much was cut out of this video. It'll still be entertaining and make sense if you do.
Yeah she’s literally a *sociopath* like what did anybody expect
She literally can’t understand morals and clings to logic and rules because of it
he didnt tell you but the reason she shot that random house is because that was their point of communication with the rest of the army
The thing about Tanya is that she is a master of manipulating loopholes- for instance, when she gave the enemy town a warning, that IS what she was supposed to do legally- but if you are going about your day and hear the voice of the a 10 year old girl on the radio claiming your town is about to be bombed if you don't surrender, would you believe her?
Probably not, and that is what she was counting on
I think that still makes it a war crime. She deceived them into thinking they weren't about to be attacked.
*History major here.*
It's not World War II, as CJ mentioned trenches.
Trenches were an extremely dated tactic by the start of WWII because warfare at this point changed so much that modern warfare tactics was built upon WWII.
WWI is fundamentally known for trench warfare - a _defensive_ tactic used to provide cover from enemy fire and hindered troops from advancing (which is in part why WWI dragged on for as long as it did).
Edit: Trench warfare is most definitely one of the most identifying differences between WWI and WWII from a regular person's perspective aside from the names of the opposing sides (WWI has the Central Powers versus Allied Powers, WWII has the Axis Powers and the Allies).
I mean, Tanya basically takes place in the interwar period of our world, it’s WW 1.5 with magic. After ep10 with operation shock and awe we see what’s basically Panzer 3s and combined arms mobile combat. We start on the trenches of ww1, life trough the fall of France and Dunkirk, the North African front before going to the Soviet Union. Speedrunning both world wars
Before blowing up the capital Tanya put on her most UWU little girl voice and made unreasonable demands.
Everyone on the ground thought it was a prank.
Then when they failed to act in compliance she was free to attack.
He skipped the part where she show sympathy and that tanya really didn't like war and just wants a comfortable position so she doesn't have to go to war anymore sadly that's why tanya had little sympathy but if she joined the US army they would have won faster and the story would have bin more boring 😴 at least to me
I still stand by the statement that Tanya isn't evil
She is, though, she's just lawful evil
She is evil just isn’t a antagonist/villain
@@marvenhendi3831 No, she is a Lawful Neutral protagonist.
@@marmyeater she's a villain protagonist. Tanya is evil and God is worse. That's all there is to it. A character doesn't have to go out of their way to do bad things or have some irrational goal(like the joker)to be evil. Tanya like anyone has a goal/dream yet unlike most will do anything she has to do to get it no matter who it hurts or who she/he has to hurt. That's literally all a villain is.
@@calvintyler9281 the definition of evil is to be extremely immoral.... And the definition of moral is to conduct yourself with proper conduct. She literally does everything with proper conduct it's quite literally one of her main character traits.
What has Tanya done that is evil? Kill a father and attempt to kill the daughter? Not only did that father invade Tanya's country first he attacked her first and then got beat. They met two other times after that and both times he attacked her first and both times she beat him. The same can be said for the daughter.
Firing a guy who wasn't doing his job correctly?
Killing soldiers during a war? I genuinely cannot recall a single moment within the story where Tanya was actually evil
Tanya theeee Evil truly follows the definition of cute is dangerous
The Saga of Tanya the Evil is much more a character study and a "villain vs villain" story than a typical "good vs evil" story. The characters are all framed behind a morally gray background (or in Tanya's case a "morally dark gray background"), because every character in this story is the victim of manipulationm by something greater, while also knowingly making choices that are definetley not morally good. Its not like some all knowing evil puppet master is behind everything (although at points that is also somewhat present), but rather many moving parts pulling all the strings into all directions at once... for example, the propaganda of a fascist leadership, the divine influence of a self-proclaimed god, the boiling emotions of war and its trauma, or the orders of a superior officer, just to name a few of these forces.
The Saga of the Tanya the Evil is a well accomplished narrative if you ask me, but definetley not a story that everyone can enjoy, as the main character is Tanya who unlike the title of the show or this video may suggest, is not as directly "evil" as it may seem, but she still does her fair share of very reprehensible shit (which is like, totally fair if you dont wanna watch that). The show definetley never frames Tanya as "good" though, her morality and her intentions are constantly questioned by all the people around her, but like said...she is more of a "moral dark gray" character, which kinda makes her perfect for the role of main character for the type of story that this show is actually about. Although like said, definetley not for everyone... and if you just wanna see some villain get absolutley destroyed then this show will definetley not be for you, since it just is not about that at all.
The "random" shack Tanya blows up was an enemy listening post she back traced and was disguised as a civilian building, which I believe was an actual war crime. So TL:DR, that was a legit target.
Love the Mass Effect music playing during the discussion 👍🏾
"You can't just blow up their capital!!"
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: "Was I a joke to you?"
Tanya is my favorite isekai protagonist.
Viewer: How did they not get court marshalled?
Me: Tanya gave them a warning, even if it was in a little girl's voice that made them think it was fake.
Kid Buu: Your hired.
that last take sounds super political ngl. I honestly Love the show, one of my fav anime of all time, second only to code Geass, and like you said anime has a tendency to go a bit off script with historical retellings, but I love the way this one does it, because it shows the first world war from a German perspective, so while Tanya does some shitty stuff for her own benefit, she would have been seen and classed as a hero not a villain because she was winning fights. I think watching the anime first before calling it lazy would be good, cause in the anime obviously we have a German protag, but we also have just as important allied forces characters like Mary Sioux.
the last take honestly also felt pretty racist to me as a german ngl
I know that the Japanese have a bizarre obsession with putting Nazis in anime.
Been waiting for this CJ the Champ reaction. You guys are gonna love this one
There was a whole arc in the north Africa desert where Tanya was casually insulting Italy while they take their supplies. They gave her packed lasagna and some water for their platoon and told her to scavenge for other things to eat and drink. She said alright bet and proceed to rob all supplies of the Italians and forced them to retreat. So the Italians found out the operation is called lasagna and she did all of that just to cook good lasagna
I mean there are animes were the protagonist are the villains. And I only know of two isekai’s were the protagonists is the villain. This one and Overlord
No, Tanya is the hero, not the villain.
IVE BEEN PRAYING FOR THIS!
y'all definitely need to watch the Roberta the Terminator from CJ the Champ
Tanya ranks up fast because she had massive amount of magic. She level the playing field using magic and also she had a conscious of an 40 yr old
The show is basically.... Tanya vs God. yes, actual God. Kinda weird he didn't mention that. God actually talks to her throughout the show, and They got beeeeef!
God just wants her/him to be a better person, to believe in him and pray to him ...if only just one time.
Tanya is like "eh...why the f would I do that. f that and f you." 💀 So God's like ....well damn . . . 🤣
God is also like .....if you won't pray, maybe it's because you don't feel a need to, you don't feel that life requires it. .....but what if the right situation were to happen.... what then? Tanya says...I don't need you. God says ....but oh you will.
It's worth a watch.
Mary Sue was the only one doing any form of anything to Tanya but man oh man when she didn't finish the job I face palmed SO HARD🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Mary gets fragged by her owm mates at the end because she went mentally insane
*Mary Sioux, and I facepalmed when Tanya failed to kill the psycho idiot.
You have to watch the show it really does give more information and make it feel more historical you just watched one of CJ DACHAMP videos he isn't gonna go into all the details
That’s kinda the problem with CJs videos is that he scratches out so much actual context behind certain scenes just to sell the black air force vid and it really paint some Characters in a worse light than they truly are
@@amari7782 I mean that’s kinda the point of his videos to make the characters he does look savage lmao
@@marvenhendi3831 except you get shit like this where they just completely misunderstand the entire show. Hell in his Roberta video he fucked up hard near the end because he couldn’t explain anything for shit abd just gave people the wrong impression of what was going on
@@amari7782 I mean what can you do about it views is money and when he makes the characters more hostile he gets more views
@@marvenhendi3831 use better phrasing
One of my fav series💕 she’s such a menace there’s no need for a villain lol.
i fucking love tanya the evil
she's literally the main character
Yeah its a great video and Tanya Aint no angel but the anime itself is great and explains along and adds some needed context for at least some of it
Tonya is the protagonist and the antagonist 😂😂😂
This is a spoiler if you aren't reading or ever going to watch the anime.
They end up losing the war after prolonged, drawn-out fighting, she escapes to the US and joins their Air force, and basically, all governments agreed to wipe off every crime and everything about her unit because of how fucked it was.
But the author hates happy endings, so she doesn't get a happy ending.
11:06 even in this world Switzerland is neutral lol
The mass effect map music in the background is gold
25:39 I feel like Youjo Senki when it comes to "Inspired by Germany" is better than attack on Titan for the simple reason that it is BLATANT, while Attack on Titan basically just copy pasted the Nazi and Jewish history and experience, but made the Germans the victims and the Jews the Nazis, in Youjo Senki, IT IS the Nazi Germany or The Empire that's doing all the No no's.
When she was training them in exibit B, she was trying to scare them off and not have to go to the front again
Entertaining. Outside of Tanya being german i didn't know this was a reflection of real history. Thanks for that link Chavezz
I been waiting for his reaction!!
Funny enough Tanya really made her voice sound like a little girls for that capital moment
Y’all should watch the Roberta the terminator after this one
it should be noted that during the training arc tanya didn't actually fire all of those rounds at her men, she had an artillery division perform what they thought was a training exercise at her men, they had no idea they were shooting at their own people for 36 hours straight. this both traumatized the artillery division assigned to her battlegroup, and also traumatized her men. that said, this kind of training isn't unheard of irl, seal team 6 / delta force, JSOC, and JSDF SFG are among some of the elite soldiers that undergo insanely brutal and death defying training like this to make them incredibly battle hardened and unfazed in extreme and even unreal situations.
it should also be said that their chances of surviving if they dug a deep foxhole would be increased to 80%, 90% if they dug an "L" channel that hides the entrance from where the soldier is cooped up in, but in their case that 80% is more than enough since they also have magical shields that can tank 1 or 2 of those artillery shells every so often, given enough time to regenerate their shields can keep them safe from artillery for all 36 hours. that wont get rid of shell shock though, the only cure for that is to grow a pair.
it should also be said that tanya did absolutely *no warcrimes,* she skirted across the very legal edge of the rules of war as far as 1914 is concerned (before the geneva convention), for example she is required to announce an attack against a city or country as an act of war before making that attack, undeclared acts of war is considered a warcrime, which is why she announced her bombardment of the capital city before attacking, but she did so in a very cute childish voice to make sure she didn't convince anyone that she was serious so she can inflict maximum casualties, its easy to replace a factory but hard to replace skilled labor after all (oh yeah forgot to mention, she bombarded a military target - an ammunition factory, perfectly legal). shes also well within her right to nuke that log cabin which was harboring a hidden enemy command center in sovereign territory, considered as high treason.
she was also well within her right to retaliate against insurgents that shot at her troops, before demanding them to surrender for being clearly outmatched (also a legal requirement), she then used video evidence of the resistance movement killing an unarmed allied soldier as an excuse to reclassify them from a resistance movement into a terrorist movement, granting her the legal ability to order an indiscriminate artillery barrage across the whole town. since they were classified as terrorists, killing actual civilians also became legal since they could be treated as traitors for aiding the enemy. the entire town was legally deemed as an enemy of the state.
it should also be said that during this time period if you were branded as a traitor and enemy of the state, by royal decree all of your relatives across 3 generations and their 1st born children are to be executed as co-conspirators to a traitor. this anime happened in ww1 when germany still had a king known as the "Kaiser", so this very specific royal decree could be used to eliminate all of the civilians in that entire town with absolutely no legal repercussions.
nuking that red city (you know which one, i cant say it because yt censorship) later on is kind of in the grey zone, as far as 1914 rules of war are concerned its perfectly legal, but as far as the geneva convention is concerned its not. but believe it or not planting your flag in someone elses country and singing your national anthem back then was perfectly legal, if not horribly unethical and extremely disrespectful.
i should also add this at the end, in this timeline the allied powers are the bad guys, the axis powers are the good guys believe it or not. roles reversed in this isekai world.
also personally speaking, i would disagree with you in thinking that an anime where the MC is the antagonist is boring, because it absolutely isn't, i've watched thousands and mean fudging thousands of anime in my life and im sick and tired of watching anime about the boring shallow arse no personality protagonist of literally every shounen anime on earth winning because of plot armor or some other bs, ive dealt with 20+ years of that bull****** in my life and its so boring that it made me wanna quit being an otaku several times, then some amazing anime like Overlord, Tokyo Ghoul, Deathnote, Guilty Crown, Rising of the Shield Hero, Redo of a Healer, Vinland Saga, Hellsing Ultimate, Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan), Youjo Senki (Tanya the Evil) came out that turned the table completely around, allowing us to see the antagonists side of the story and see them winning for a change, it was such a huge breath of fresh air for someone like me who's watched far more anime than anyone else i know including you. there is a reason *Overlord* is having its *4TH SEASON* right now, its because protagonist anime suck.
I love your videos guys
Tanya is by far the most anti of anti-heroes in all isekai series'! xD I mean, this particular example has warped a moderate amount of context but still hit like 80% of that nail on the head! Probably the best part about anti-hero isekai is how they generally just do not give a f*ck and STILL end up saving the world however the hell they so choose to do it. It's like they start off with half points spent in Renegade, and only gradually towards the end of the season start spending TPs in Paragon (that's right, I used a Mass Effect reference here xD) only AFTER maxing out that entire red bar.
Technically not war crimes tanya basically found a few loopholes lol
Been waiting for the reaction, love your reactions and Cj content and your content.
i think the fact that she has a unique talent for magic is important, but still, very good characterization.
19:02 nah dot be mad at Victoria she’s just doing her job, Tanya’s her superior and she’s been by her side for years and Colonel Sioux was her enemy what’d you expect her to do😭
for the record, it may look like tanya effortlessly did all those things because of how cj said it but trust me it isn't a power fantasy, the first book in the light novel series put a warning at the end that basically said "if you like stories where the main character always wins and stories filled with hope, I advise you stop reading this series"
she doesn't just deal with physical struggles in terms of fights but also corrupt milatary practices and, oh yeah forgot to mention, god is actively sabatoging her, yes THE god the one from the literal bible (according to him)
and regardless of what it might seem there is always at least some justification in what tanya does like with the artilery strike on that city, the reason that happened was because the opposing military was trying to basically hide behind their civillians to guilt trip the enemy so that they could just easily wipe them out and it wasn't tanya's decision to do the artilery strike it was what the higher ups intended to happen before the battle even happened
About damn time. We needed this reaction. Tanya sit yo ass down at the table 👟
Wait....that intermission music at the end.......is that MASS EFFECT!?!?!?
Great video! You guys have to do his Roberta the terminator video, she’s on the same level of Tanya but she has morals.
That cabin was trying to capture information about Tanya's powers they didn't realize Tanya was coming with that heat though
Mary Sioux was shooting exploding lasers and shit, she must've been on magic steroids or some shit I mean god damn
This is my favourite anime ty for reacting to it bro :)
Maybe your opinion about Tanya would be swayed if you check out her speech about human emotion.
"If someone dies I DIDNT DO IT"
May we use this disclaimer plz it's great.
I think Tanya using her innocent kid voice to alert em, they will get bombed and she knows they won't take it seriously is just evil
For some context she didn't "use her kid voice" that's she just used her normal voice. They even make a point of having her soldiers laugh about it saying what you did and she gets pissed remarking that's just how she sounds
Colonel and Mary Sue are not from Arkansas. They're actually from the equivalent of Sweden. After the war starts, Colonel Sue sends his family to the equivalent of the US in that world
She is called “Tanya the EVIL” for a reason
Y’all need to see Roberta the Terminator!
"what was the purpose?"
that house was enemy's spy, they intercept her magic and the military's communication
Funny enough the only War crime committed was to dude with the trench gun.
From what I remember, the title the saga of Tanya the evil is a mistranslation from the original japanese title Joyo senki, the militairy chronicles of a little girl. And she really is just that in that world. A little girl, stuck facing opression, having to pray to a god she doesn't believe in just to attempt to survive.
Every move she makes is to grow up safely and die of old age. So because her country is at war and she has the mean to make herself not part of a subjugated country, she will help out. The military people also get a better pension and better benefits. So for a war orphan that's about the only way to get anything to her name.
She uses magic to drug herself up during combat, mostly because she's terrified of the things she sees and gets into. So any ruthless decissions are just her going. I need to snuff out this fire to avoid getting backstabbed. Honestly Tanya often is portrayed as either really calm and cold or the opposite pretty deranged. But most of that stems from her trying to keep her anxiety in check based on what she knows of her previous life and the fact she's never seen war before.
Add in that she also has to deal with the harassment of being X, who is practically always gloating and controlling everything around her to the point that he even tells her. She can only access her greater abilities by praying to him, but for each prayer she will lose a piece of her old identity. Eventually she'll be forced to believe in him. And that's another aspect that I can see being terrifying as well. Nobody wants to lose their sense of self after all.
And while she tries to avoid getting into situations where she has to use those bigger spells, if she avoids the situation, being X will make a situation where she has to use it. Hence Mary.
Shoulda seen her in the spin off, Isekai quartet with her, Ainz ool Gown (overlord), Subaru (re zero), and Kazuma (Kono suba) all getting reisekai'd into another world and forced to go to school together.
chaotic good (mary) vs lawful evil (tanya) is basically the story of this