@@Hmm-yq2xx Peanut is a choker but that’s just at Worlds, he won LCK before. I wish he played great in 2017, that SKT roster was one of my favorite ever
I feel like all the world's that have been in NA seems to always produce magical moments. Not an NA resident, just an observation. Another moment I could think of is 2018 and 2019, but this year is just magical
@@khreed yeah t1 vs jdg was my first league live event, it was amazing. The entire arena was shaking and the cheers were crazy. It’s nothing like watching it on stream, truly amazing event
@@johnpark5212 That’s only if you graduate high school, which Faker didn’t. Deft most likely has to complete military service while Faker at most will have to do some civil service in Korea. Given Faker’s status and accomplishments there is a decent chance he will be exempt from any civil service, which I’m sure his management and T1’s management have been fighting for a while. Deft on the other hand likely won’t be exempt because of his accomplishments, although I’m not completely sure if the Asia games and other things he might be a part of will exempt him. People who’ve brought Gold medals back to Korea have been exempt before, so it’s not entirely out of the question.
Thank you Jatt for getting these out the day of, I know it's a ton of work and we all really appreciate it. Your insights are super helpful and helping get a better idea of what's really going on in these games. Whatever happens next week looking forward to the last episode :-)
No words. All the narratives speak for themselves-- what a banger of a worlds this has been. I also just realized the finals color are red, white, and blue... for the states (minus the black from T1).
Holy shit all the lane matchups are so good this finals. Top- The (arguably) unlikely top carry in Kingen vs Thunder King Zeus Jungle- The resurgent confidence of Pyosik vs T1's rock in Oner Mid- Kkoma's last prodigy, Zeka vs his first, Faker Bot- Deft's Last Dance vs Young gun Gumayusi Supp- the two genius support masterminds BeryL and Keria So fucking hype
@@LordKeram i don't see how pyosik and oner aren't close, especially when viewing their world's performances so far. Oner has arguably been the weakest member of T1 at world's while pyosik has been popping off.
@@skylarkesselring6075 even popping off Pyosik has some really shaky mechanics sometimes, IDK, I agree they are comparable, but its not in favor of Pyosik
Legitimately THE best Worlds we have ever had. Granted I've only been watching/playing since fall of 2017 but every other Worlds has been the most predictable games ever and the most uninteresting BO5's. Virtually every BO5 was a 3-0 the past few years including the finals. This year Worlds has had the most insane underdog stories and most intense games I've experienced watching Worlds. I've been sitting on the edge of my seat (literally) watching these tense games and watching T1 defeat LPL's 1st seed to give Faker another chance at his 4th Worlds victory and then Deft and DRX being the first play-ins team in League history to make it all the way to the finals and doing it not through some lay-up easy matchup but the team that everyone expected to win Worlds - GenG, whom DRX has never beaten once this year.
I'd like to note how in game 2 the decision to go lethality Varus by Ruler really impacted the state of the game. To me it seemed that the decision was made to be able to resist the Lux Caitlyn lane, which it did do to great success. The thing I saw though, is how going lethality Varus makes the DRX comp so much better. As soon as the Varus deals so much less damage to the Gragas, it becomes really easy for Gragas to take over neutral space. And when the Varus has so much less neutral space to work with, it becomes a lot harder for GENG to find the damage threshold necessary for Sylas and Graves to find picks and flanks onto the relatively squishy DRX teamcomp. So they end up having to fight this weird front to back fight with lethality Varus, where its easy for Caitlyn-Lux-Ahri to counter the Ornn engage by following Gragas into the neutral space and rooting Ornn before he can R2. I think if Ruler went on hit Varus, a lot of what you commented should happen for Sylas is facilitated because it becomes much harder for Gragas to take that neutral space in the teamfight. So even if lethality Varus resisted the Lux Cait lane, it ultimately made it much more difficult for GENG to play into the later stages of the game.
Good point but I think what really made Lethality varus ineffective wasn't because of Gragas but because of GenG macro play. When you have an accelerated lethality varus, SEIGE. Poke the opposing team off neutral objectives. Group early to force mid prio and take over the jungle. What did GenG do? 1-3-1. The fact an Ahri is engaging on a varus is sad. The fact GenG rarely had time to poke DRX walking into drakes is sad. The reality was Deft could not play the game. He needed both beryl/lehends to come assist in farming thus reducing his xp/gold. th-cam.com/video/C31Y8ZyUb94/w-d-xo.html You can see here Caitlyn immediately is pushed out of lane. Caitlyn is losing so much gold/xp. Why is the team not playing for their win con. th-cam.com/video/C31Y8ZyUb94/w-d-xo.html No we get this. The lethality varus that wants to fight now. That wants to poke the opposing team off of objective has to watch his team 1-3-1. He has no support to push his lead. They don't even get to contest drake. This is why T1 will be a whole different beast. th-cam.com/video/C31Y8ZyUb94/w-d-xo.html How does a team that has tempo and mid lane push not have drake control? The on hit varus does not change the outcome because DRX priortized drake control while DRX played a comp that wanted to use tempo to create leads. Peanut had no pathing. GenG played too much like they were down 3k gold and needed to wait for items. When a caitlyn is this behind with your next highest damage carry being a kindred behind you lose. Apparently with GenG you do not.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg When I look at the time stamps, I see a different story. I think that they were indeed trying to force this Varus lead but ended up trying to force it too hard and lost tempo other places and times on the map. First timestamp: Caitlyn is pushed under turret and Varus wants to kill. However, Ahri has prio and they don't see Kindred or Lux, and the last time they saw both they were topside. They dont want to take a possible 3v4 which they would certainly lose since Kindred has Ult and can save Deft in the dive if he is up there. Karma is playing in river so he can try to get vision on Lux/Ahri/Kind. So they can commit to the dive. Without enough information, they send Graves to do Krugs and decide to wait another wave to see if they see other DRX members show up and commit to the dive then. Ahri shows mid and they pull Graves to try to get a kill, but Caitlyn has already left. This leads into timestamp two, where because they tried to force the Varus lead so hard top, they lose prio on the drake and decide that it's gone before they can get there because they spent too much time top. They send Sylas top and commit Ornn deep bot to try and trade value across the map. Timestamp 3 is a similar situation. They are trying to force this lethality Varus mid to get a dive onto bot or a tower, and Karma gets caught forcing too hard, and is forced to burn flash shortly before drake spawns, as well as having no wards. Karma also stops recall for fear of Kindred and they have to give another drake, because they have no vision control with a lethality Varus. There clearly are a lot of things that made lethality Varus ineffective, but I don't necessarily think that it was for lack of GENG trying to play around him at all.
@@shinydragon69 They didn't force the varus lead. If you see a smart team (like T1) they would look to push out side waves and group mid to seige with Varus. They never did that. They always conceded. They went for 1-3-1 and gave up the early drakes. They never had a first setup except drake #3 and even then they lost their opportunity to poke them off. Varus does not want to kill. He wants to poke off caitlyn (like any Varus would do). The point of the first clip is to show Caitlyn is unable to farm safely thus meaning when Varus seige it will force Pyosik and likely an additional member of DRX to help wave clear mid. That's the point of the first clip. Caitlyn is unable to safely farm or thin the wave enough against Varus since she is receiving too much poke. That's what any lethality varus should do. What we are seeing is that GenG are still horrible in their setup and unable to play for Ruler tempo. No setup whatsoever because all of them are unable to realize they are not carries. Peanut is too busy power farming. Chovy is too busy csing. Doran playing Ornn is too busy split pushing. That is not the win con of this team. Try to rewind a bit on time stamp 2 to 20:20. That actually shows the bigger flaw. This was never DRX 2nd drake. Caitlyn is top side. GenG is stronger. Ruler has tempo and should be looking to take control of river or forcing a skirmish since Ruler will arrive to the fight first. How in the hell does GenG botch this? That's the point I am making. They never tried to play as if Ruler was the win con. They played as if Sylas needed farm. They played as if Doran needed xp for the passive. They played as if Peanut needed more farm. That's the difference from T1 and GenG. We saw against RNG game 2 that Jayce was forced to group with gumayusi and ended up conceding all CS to xayah (watch shakarez) for 3 waves. This is not a game where sylas needs to be fed. This is not a game where Ornn needs to upgrade his passive. Let me get this straight. You think GenG only gave up space because they feared Gragas tank? That varus is unable to effectively DPS thus making it difficult to move around and not chovy always being late to fights? Not GenG always giving DRX setup despite being up in gold? They literally had a team fight where both ornn and sylas TP' half way while drake was getting dps. Lethality varus made caitlyn/lux useless. A underfed cait is almost as bad as Jhin.
Yeah give him until next year and people will be heralding this man as top three mid easy. God damn watching this years worlds, it really has just been the rookie show huh?
@@GrubblinMoose he is not a rookie but is his first worlds. the meta suits him so damn well. hopefully he is in this level the next year, sometimes players need this kind of confidence boost to explode
They're overreacting. This is one meta and he's always been good with hard carry champs. Watch him play through multiple metas and we'll see if he falls back down to earth as he's always done while more well rounded players in the mid lane dumpster him.
@@Millicente while you may be right in the big picture, sometimes being overall better isn’t as important as showing you can perform in big moments against top competition
Non-LOL watcher or player. My brother said to pay attention to the story lines for this one though and treat it like sports so here I am. Nice analysis, the minute stuff is way above me, but I've already gotten the gist of rotations, laning, and objective play. I don't think I'll ever understand the nuances of jungling, ganking, and champion picks, but he was right in saying that this Worlds is playing out like an anime/cliche hero's story.
GenG looked insanely bad this series. After watching T1 vs Jdg and how much impact faker had around the map, chovy in comparison looked invisible and was getting gapped in mid. Their macro was awful to an extent.
can’t believe Ruler opt out from Aphelios entirely when Varus was taken away. It might be a bad early game match up but he’s always been the most reliable late game boss for Gen G. Every herald was sent to his lane to keep him up but yet his picks are just not allowing him to insert the dominance he could have. Kingen’s performance was unbelievable despite the first game loss. DRX win well deserved.
faker has more impact when he's behind in lane than chovy has when he's ahead. This why I always laughed at claims that chovy was head and shoulders above faker and any other mid. It is simply not true based on who brings value to the team in clutch moments and series.
as a massive t1 fan, I agree with this. Honestly, I feel T1 is currently the better team, but this DRX is all about surprises, so we cant say for sure who wins.
I really like the players on DRX, but I truly don’t think they can stand up to T1 right now. GenG hasn’t looked like they’ve been in their summer form all worlds and T1 has stepped up MASSIVELY. I hope I’m wrong and we get a good series, but I think T1 is on another level. But maybe it’s just my Faker bias, who knows🤷🏻♂️
Lets hope DRX can carry their momentum for one last game and we get great finals!!! I have a bad feeling that after seven break days they'll have some trouble finding the same strive. ps. Thanks for the breakdowns, Josh! You're certainly one of the most straight headed and informed analysts out there.
When play ins started and we had a game delay/pause every hr minimum, i thought this was going to be the worst worlds. Come this semis and im so invested into all the storylines, and what an amazing playoffs so far, i think this might go down as the best worlds overall of all time.
@@Artaxerxes. Chovy ALWAYS underperformed in LCK finals until this summer And Peanut is the most notorious Choker of all time since 2017 Worlds performance Tian and JKL are in the conversation
@@Artaxerxes. I agree. I feel that sometimes you just don't feel 100% on the day. I never played any sports or eSports professionally but I have been in tournaments before and some days you feel it's gonna be rough. And you just try and give it your all, and sometimes it falls short.
Caedrel mentioned this during cast, not all of those 8 games were shitstomp by geng. They had some huge comeback games against top6 teams despite the score being 2-0
Hey Jatt just wanted to let you know that I've watched all your breakdowns (actually listened while walking my daughter around in a stroller haha) for this Worlds and am always looking forward to your analysis and point of view! 👍🏻
Watching how bad Doran, Peanut and Chovy choked today, I am not surprised that DRX took the win convincingly. They underperformed since Worlds started as compared their LCK summer form. Congrats to DRX. hope the Cinderella story continues and take the trophy home.
I've always respected Jatt's voice and so have been keen to listen to these breakdowns but they have been struggling to keep my attention. I think what these are missing is game footage because when he's describing scenarioes in the game to make points I find it really hard to keep up or remember the scenarioes so my mind trails off.
I didn't have faith in GenG since Damwon series, they just went to semis because Damwon got cocky with yuumi and Deokdam ultra flash in that final fight
I'm not actually that surprised by the result, i picked drx going into this match. I remember watching lck finals and the biggest problem gen g posed to t1 imo was the draft. There was just no way to ban/pick away enough champions from them to not leave game winning champions in multiple roles. That didn't seem to be true anymore. Gen g seemed to revert to an old school lck style, the style that was run over by lpl aggression for several years. T1 and drx are playing very proactively, even down right aggressively, and that's what's seemed to win championships lately.
FK aggressive even jing dong was unable to keep pace with how hyperfast T1 was playing tp into ryze ult into baron take into opening game I can't see gen g ever doing it
@@pda32301 Well yes, but everyone except Ruler were afk the entire tournament. Comparing the current Chovy to any other Chovy before this tournament is like comparing 2022 BDD to the earlier BDD.
@@olsenfernandes3634 i find this argument so dumb. you're gonna act like chovy completely changed as a player in the span of a month? Chovy played like he always does, focuses on his lane and maximizing farm. Zeka played his style, carry champs who can roam. One was clearly more effective than the other. It's not a "different version" of Chovy, it's a matchup of different styles and different team macros and one was better.
There's actually a possible argument you could maybe make that the scrim bubbles evidently (T1+DRX, GENG+JDG) showed which one was the better bubble, cos Karma suddenly appeared for both Geng and JDG and an apparent lack of Heimer ashe picks in their botlanes. This may have been the draft hole that left geng and jdg in a massive disadvantage in every draft
@JLXP this series has been amazing. I'm loving the analysis. Will you be releasing later versions where you match the audio with the corresponding clips in game? If not is it okay for me to do so?
I think for Game 4 you got the read backwards on what Gen G was looking to do. IMO, they left the Sylas up expecting Zeka to default to picking it and were planning on countering it with Ryze (which I believe was their ace for the matchup that was unfortunately spoiled by the previous series) while also giving themselves the ability to hide their bot lane for last pick and forcing DRX to blind an ADC. Renekton was picked up to give Doran comfort and the strong lane angle to prevent DRX from taking advantage of him again.
Eh after seeing Faker blind Ryze the pick is still good. It provides early lane tempo. It allows you to play for side lanes. It provides good skirmishing power (instant CC). The problem was GenG just do nothing proactive in the map for Ryze to be a good pick at all.
Only team I trust picking Jhin in any circumstance was Damwon in 2020. Videos are great. Gotta hope for Deft to win the finals and for Pyosik, he is super inconsistent but overall plays in the best/second best league in the world, people who call him Pyoshit don't realize that he would probably trash any other region if he went there and that he is still a challenger level player.
The pace of this series was REALLY SLOW compared to T1-JDG. I really do wonder how much T1 would try to raise the tempo early game and whether DRX can match accordingly.
They don't have to. GenG is a slow team that afk in the early/mid game. T1 does not. The onus honestly is on DRX to raise the tempo because they are certainly not want to take it late game considering they are not GenG and handshake the top lane into a tank vs tank match up.
GenG shouldn't have passed previous series and got exposed tonight tbh I really enjoy watching Zeka, i was worried for him outside of Akali and Sylas against Chovy but he definitely delivered Why shouldn't we judge Chovy according to this serie ? Tremendous player but he's also know for his capacity to choke for a long time
i had the exact opposite thought process going into this game, this was my easiest pickems this week, I had a harder time between t1 and jdg. GenG has not looked good all of worlds and they played Damwon as if they didnt want fail in the sense they played safe as possible to either win safely or lose because they were beat by aggressive outplays. On top of Peanut and Chovy looking like they were nervous last series i auto locked DRX to win this one
I don't understand the Pyosik slander in game 2... Beryl flashes and walks in a straight line, misses a Q and is useless the rest of the fight, instead of just threatening Lehends to flash. If Karma doesn't flash, he's dead whether or not Lux Qs him, if Karma flashes with Lux Q not being on cooldown for no reason, he gets insta-rooted and dies. The only way Pyosik is in a position to not be able to finish off the kill is if Beryl completes fumbles the engage.
I would say Pyosik on Game 2 deserves a bit better grade (maybe an A at least?), because I don't know if Jatt noticed that Pyosik was the winning factor on the Elder Fight, since he landed the Lamb Respite on top of the Elder on the exact frame(like 943 Health) that Peanut's Graves flashed in for the Auto-Smite Steal, which Peanut wasted because of it, and Kindred's R ALSO covered his teammates from incoming Karma/Varus poke damage. Had Pyosik failed to do this, Peanut could have stolen the Elder and ended the game for GENG since Chovy was pushing bottom and could have gotten easy access to the nexus despite a Tanky Kingen Gragas.
Peanut or Chovy was MVP. Chovy for farming side waves while having a lethality varus accelerated. Peanut for getting caught numerous times and having the worst graves ever.
Finally people can see that we dont need to have western teams at worlds to have an amazing event, the only thing we need are the best teams playing bo5.
Still rather have a good G2 than a bad RNG / EDG Western fans need a team to root for if they are not a fan of T1 or something. If I wasn’t a T1 fan I would be mad at western team for being ass
@@aaawa2074 almost everyone is a T1/Faker fan. And honestly most western fans are lowkey LCK fans bc their teams just sucked for almost the entirety of league history so they root for the best instead.
Games 3 and 4 felt it came down more due to a difference in draft than a gap in player skill. It was disappointing watching the draft quality tank from g3 onwards.
"I dont think the Chovy that showed up today is the Chovy that has played throughout the season and worlds till now" Yes. That is called choking. Having an "off" day in a semi finals game means you need to work on your mental. We are not talking about 100m sprint where you start 0.5 sec late and everything is lost. He literally had 5 games to win 3. And he couldn't.
Chovy was just your traditional afk csing immobile mid laner for games 2-4. Doran was fairly non-existent every game. GEN played pretty scared games 3 and 4. DRX drafted and played and executed at an extremely high level. Lehends could have picked Nautilus game 3 and something different game 4. Good on DRX for the win.
I think you're overestimating BeryL. Zeka, Kingen, and Pyosik hard carried their bot lane. Bot lane needed 4 ADC and 1 support bans to go very slightly behind in the last game, they lost their lane in every other match, that is without much attention from mid/jungle, just straight up 2v2. It's not like Deft did anything great in teamfights, his most memorable moment from the series was literally KSing Zeka with Galeforce (it wasn't a "maybe" kill, ahri orb was a millisecond from getting the kill on its way back). The amount of skillshots missed by BeryL was overwhelming with his terrible flash miss on Lux as a prime example. It's really worrying before their match vs SKT, as Guma looked very strong.
Was it just me, or did anyone else notice that Peanut kept laughing and nervously talking from the looks of it everytime the camera was on him, and Chovy did not look happy. multiple times they went from peanut to chovy on the player cams and I saw peanut laughing and chovy barely awake looking very sad. Cant really see anger, but i dunno he like a robot.
I get a defeatist mentality vibe from doran, peanut, and chovy. Ruler felt like the only one on GenG playing his heart out.
I couldn’t believe it when GEN won LCK finals
I just don’t see most of their players as champions
Chovy performed for the first time ever in a final
@@aaawa2074 especially from peanut and that makes me sad cuz I like him a lot
@@Hmm-yq2xx Peanut is a choker but that’s just at Worlds, he won LCK before.
I wish he played great in 2017, that SKT roster was one of my favorite ever
Ashley was right in saying this is literally more anime than anime itself.
What a worlds. What a worlds this has been. So lucky to have been able to go to this semis… this worlds could be the greatest ever
So happy to have picked this semis to go to my first live league event ever
Yeah I'm just grateful for the players working so hard and poutting on such a spectacular performance, this simply doesnt happen often
I feel like all the world's that have been in NA seems to always produce magical moments. Not an NA resident, just an observation. Another moment I could think of is 2018 and 2019, but this year is just magical
@@khreed yeah t1 vs jdg was my first league live event, it was amazing. The entire arena was shaking and the cheers were crazy. It’s nothing like watching it on stream, truly amazing event
@@yurifan2537 na crowds have great energy, it's not the main reason but it's certainly part of it
I'm waiting with anticipation for your final breakdown...
The last dance for Deft. The return of the king for Faker. This is the best finals to happen so far. You can’t be mad at whoever wins.
isn't it the last dance for faker also? they're the same age, and all men in korea have to serve in the military by the time they're 28 years old
@@johnpark5212 That’s only if you graduate high school, which Faker didn’t. Deft most likely has to complete military service while Faker at most will have to do some civil service in Korea. Given Faker’s status and accomplishments there is a decent chance he will be exempt from any civil service, which I’m sure his management and T1’s management have been fighting for a while. Deft on the other hand likely won’t be exempt because of his accomplishments, although I’m not completely sure if the Asia games and other things he might be a part of will exempt him. People who’ve brought Gold medals back to Korea have been exempt before, so it’s not entirely out of the question.
Is there no breakdown for the finals??? Ive been waiting for it
The Goat 🐐VS The Alpaca 🦙
Checking every day for a finals breakdown!!!!!! Please please Jatt
Thank you Jatt for getting these out the day of, I know it's a ton of work and we all really appreciate it. Your insights are super helpful and helping get a better idea of what's really going on in these games.
Whatever happens next week looking forward to the last episode :-)
No words. All the narratives speak for themselves-- what a banger of a worlds this has been. I also just realized the finals color are red, white, and blue... for the states (minus the black from T1).
Holy shit all the lane matchups are so good this finals.
Top- The (arguably) unlikely top carry in Kingen vs Thunder King Zeus
Jungle- The resurgent confidence of Pyosik vs T1's rock in Oner
Mid- Kkoma's last prodigy, Zeka vs his first, Faker
Bot- Deft's Last Dance vs Young gun Gumayusi
Supp- the two genius support masterminds BeryL and Keria
So fucking hype
I’m afraid zeus may turn tilt the scale too far into t1 favor but everywhere else seems very close
It's funny how much you have to try to make believe Kingen and Pyoshik are anywhere close to Zeus and Oner.
@@micahm2844 Zeka will have to have another best series of his carrier to make this close for DRX. If Faker can contain him T1 3/0.
@@LordKeram i don't see how pyosik and oner aren't close, especially when viewing their world's performances so far.
Oner has arguably been the weakest member of T1 at world's while pyosik has been popping off.
@@skylarkesselring6075 even popping off Pyosik has some really shaky mechanics sometimes, IDK, I agree they are comparable, but its not in favor of Pyosik
was legit refreshing every 5 mins for the last hour waiting for this XD, thanks for the amazing content as usual Jett
Legitimately THE best Worlds we have ever had. Granted I've only been watching/playing since fall of 2017 but every other Worlds has been the most predictable games ever and the most uninteresting BO5's. Virtually every BO5 was a 3-0 the past few years including the finals. This year Worlds has had the most insane underdog stories and most intense games I've experienced watching Worlds. I've been sitting on the edge of my seat (literally) watching these tense games and watching T1 defeat LPL's 1st seed to give Faker another chance at his 4th Worlds victory and then Deft and DRX being the first play-ins team in League history to make it all the way to the finals and doing it not through some lay-up easy matchup but the team that everyone expected to win Worlds - GenG, whom DRX has never beaten once this year.
I'd like to note how in game 2 the decision to go lethality Varus by Ruler really impacted the state of the game. To me it seemed that the decision was made to be able to resist the Lux Caitlyn lane, which it did do to great success. The thing I saw though, is how going lethality Varus makes the DRX comp so much better. As soon as the Varus deals so much less damage to the Gragas, it becomes really easy for Gragas to take over neutral space. And when the Varus has so much less neutral space to work with, it becomes a lot harder for GENG to find the damage threshold necessary for Sylas and Graves to find picks and flanks onto the relatively squishy DRX teamcomp. So they end up having to fight this weird front to back fight with lethality Varus, where its easy for Caitlyn-Lux-Ahri to counter the Ornn engage by following Gragas into the neutral space and rooting Ornn before he can R2. I think if Ruler went on hit Varus, a lot of what you commented should happen for Sylas is facilitated because it becomes much harder for Gragas to take that neutral space in the teamfight. So even if lethality Varus resisted the Lux Cait lane, it ultimately made it much more difficult for GENG to play into the later stages of the game.
Well said.
Good point but I think what really made Lethality varus ineffective wasn't because of Gragas but because of GenG macro play. When you have an accelerated lethality varus, SEIGE. Poke the opposing team off neutral objectives. Group early to force mid prio and take over the jungle. What did GenG do? 1-3-1. The fact an Ahri is engaging on a varus is sad. The fact GenG rarely had time to poke DRX walking into drakes is sad. The reality was Deft could not play the game. He needed both beryl/lehends to come assist in farming thus reducing his xp/gold.
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You can see here Caitlyn immediately is pushed out of lane. Caitlyn is losing so much gold/xp. Why is the team not playing for their win con.
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No we get this. The lethality varus that wants to fight now. That wants to poke the opposing team off of objective has to watch his team 1-3-1. He has no support to push his lead. They don't even get to contest drake. This is why T1 will be a whole different beast.
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How does a team that has tempo and mid lane push not have drake control? The on hit varus does not change the outcome because DRX priortized drake control while DRX played a comp that wanted to use tempo to create leads. Peanut had no pathing. GenG played too much like they were down 3k gold and needed to wait for items. When a caitlyn is this behind with your next highest damage carry being a kindred behind you lose. Apparently with GenG you do not.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg When I look at the time stamps, I see a different story. I think that they were indeed trying to force this Varus lead but ended up trying to force it too hard and lost tempo other places and times on the map.
First timestamp: Caitlyn is pushed under turret and Varus wants to kill. However, Ahri has prio and they don't see Kindred or Lux, and the last time they saw both they were topside. They dont want to take a possible 3v4 which they would certainly lose since Kindred has Ult and can save Deft in the dive if he is up there. Karma is playing in river so he can try to get vision on Lux/Ahri/Kind. So they can commit to the dive. Without enough information, they send Graves to do Krugs and decide to wait another wave to see if they see other DRX members show up and commit to the dive then. Ahri shows mid and they pull Graves to try to get a kill, but Caitlyn has already left. This leads into timestamp two, where because they tried to force the Varus lead so hard top, they lose prio on the drake and decide that it's gone before they can get there because they spent too much time top. They send Sylas top and commit Ornn deep bot to try and trade value across the map.
Timestamp 3 is a similar situation. They are trying to force this lethality Varus mid to get a dive onto bot or a tower, and Karma gets caught forcing too hard, and is forced to burn flash shortly before drake spawns, as well as having no wards. Karma also stops recall for fear of Kindred and they have to give another drake, because they have no vision control with a lethality Varus.
There clearly are a lot of things that made lethality Varus ineffective, but I don't necessarily think that it was for lack of GENG trying to play around him at all.
@@shinydragon69 They didn't force the varus lead. If you see a smart team (like T1) they would look to push out side waves and group mid to seige with Varus. They never did that. They always conceded. They went for 1-3-1 and gave up the early drakes. They never had a first setup except drake #3 and even then they lost their opportunity to poke them off.
Varus does not want to kill. He wants to poke off caitlyn (like any Varus would do). The point of the first clip is to show Caitlyn is unable to farm safely thus meaning when Varus seige it will force Pyosik and likely an additional member of DRX to help wave clear mid. That's the point of the first clip. Caitlyn is unable to safely farm or thin the wave enough against Varus since she is receiving too much poke. That's what any lethality varus should do. What we are seeing is that GenG are still horrible in their setup and unable to play for Ruler tempo. No setup whatsoever because all of them are unable to realize they are not carries. Peanut is too busy power farming. Chovy is too busy csing. Doran playing Ornn is too busy split pushing. That is not the win con of this team.
Try to rewind a bit on time stamp 2 to 20:20. That actually shows the bigger flaw. This was never DRX 2nd drake. Caitlyn is top side. GenG is stronger. Ruler has tempo and should be looking to take control of river or forcing a skirmish since Ruler will arrive to the fight first. How in the hell does GenG botch this? That's the point I am making. They never tried to play as if Ruler was the win con. They played as if Sylas needed farm. They played as if Doran needed xp for the passive. They played as if Peanut needed more farm. That's the difference from T1 and GenG. We saw against RNG game 2 that Jayce was forced to group with gumayusi and ended up conceding all CS to xayah (watch shakarez) for 3 waves. This is not a game where sylas needs to be fed. This is not a game where Ornn needs to upgrade his passive.
Let me get this straight. You think GenG only gave up space because they feared Gragas tank? That varus is unable to effectively DPS thus making it difficult to move around and not chovy always being late to fights? Not GenG always giving DRX setup despite being up in gold? They literally had a team fight where both ornn and sylas TP' half way while drake was getting dps. Lethality varus made caitlyn/lux useless. A underfed cait is almost as bad as Jhin.
What a Finals! Can't wait for you to analyze it!
It’s really amazing how fast zeka has cemented himself in the argument of top midlaner in the world.
Yeah give him until next year and people will be heralding this man as top three mid easy. God damn watching this years worlds, it really has just been the rookie show huh?
@@GrubblinMoose he is not a rookie but is his first worlds. the meta suits him so damn well. hopefully he is in this level the next year, sometimes players need this kind of confidence boost to explode
@@GrubblinMoose rookie didn’t even make it out of the LPL gauntlet. ;(
They're overreacting. This is one meta and he's always been good with hard carry champs. Watch him play through multiple metas and we'll see if he falls back down to earth as he's always done while more well rounded players in the mid lane dumpster him.
@@Millicente while you may be right in the big picture, sometimes being overall better isn’t as important as showing you can perform in big moments against top competition
Non-LOL watcher or player. My brother said to pay attention to the story lines for this one though and treat it like sports so here I am. Nice analysis, the minute stuff is way above me, but I've already gotten the gist of rotations, laning, and objective play. I don't think I'll ever understand the nuances of jungling, ganking, and champion picks, but he was right in saying that this Worlds is playing out like an anime/cliche hero's story.
GenG looked insanely bad this series. After watching T1 vs Jdg and how much impact faker had around the map, chovy in comparison looked invisible and was getting gapped in mid. Their macro was awful to an extent.
can’t believe Ruler opt out from Aphelios entirely when Varus was taken away. It might be a bad early game match up but he’s always been the most reliable late game boss for Gen G. Every herald was sent to his lane to keep him up but yet his picks are just not allowing him to insert the dominance he could have.
Kingen’s performance was unbelievable despite the first game loss. DRX win well deserved.
What can I say? We should've expected this from who was in the jungle but to think Chovy was a Midlane Peanut too.
I somewhat believe that Peanut just tilted his entire team with the game 2. Crazy how bad everything he did there was.
faker has more impact when he's behind in lane than chovy has when he's ahead. This why I always laughed at claims that chovy was head and shoulders above faker and any other mid. It is simply not true based on who brings value to the team in clutch moments and series.
@@admiralaokiji7889 it's only the Faker haters/Chovy fans that say that, everyone else say they're on the same level.
I love how in this worlds knockout stage the teams are getting stronger and stronger.
finally an amazing finals. for me. im happy with both finalists. Im happy if DRX wins, im happy if T1 wins. Both teams deserve the trophy
Agreed
as a massive t1 fan, I agree with this. Honestly, I feel T1 is currently the better team, but this DRX is all about surprises, so we cant say for sure who wins.
Still waiting for the FInals Breakdown. Thank you!
I really like the players on DRX, but I truly don’t think they can stand up to T1 right now. GenG hasn’t looked like they’ve been in their summer form all worlds and T1 has stepped up MASSIVELY.
I hope I’m wrong and we get a good series, but I think T1 is on another level. But maybe it’s just my Faker bias, who knows🤷🏻♂️
Lets hope DRX can carry their momentum for one last game and we get great finals!!!
I have a bad feeling that after seven break days they'll have some trouble finding the same strive.
ps. Thanks for the breakdowns, Josh! You're certainly one of the most straight headed and informed analysts out there.
Hey Jatt, loving these videos, any plans to do one for the Finals?
When play ins started and we had a game delay/pause every hr minimum, i thought this was going to be the worst worlds. Come this semis and im so invested into all the storylines, and what an amazing playoffs so far, i think this might go down as the best worlds overall of all time.
Finally I was waiting for this, biggest of ups for the quick record and upload
Please, Jatt, do a Worlds Finals breakdown!
Finals Breakdown!!!
The nerves got into Peanut and Choky 😔
i think they got outplayed. No way peanut and chovy get nerves. They're not rookies. T1 and zeka are the youngest players
@@Artaxerxes. Chovy ALWAYS underperformed in LCK finals until this summer
And Peanut is the most notorious Choker of all time since 2017 Worlds performance
Tian and JKL are in the conversation
@@Artaxerxes. rookie nerves are a myth, it varies from ppl to ppl
@@Artaxerxes. I agree. I feel that sometimes you just don't feel 100% on the day. I never played any sports or eSports professionally but I have been in tournaments before and some days you feel it's gonna be rough. And you just try and give it your all, and sometimes it falls short.
Classic Freenut and Chocky
Caedrel mentioned this during cast, not all of those 8 games were shitstomp by geng. They had some huge comeback games against top6 teams despite the score being 2-0
Wheres the finals breakdown JAAATTT
Hey Jatt just wanted to let you know that I've watched all your breakdowns (actually listened while walking my daughter around in a stroller haha) for this Worlds and am always looking forward to your analysis and point of view! 👍🏻
Love this videos Jatt, thank you for the time you take for us 💚
Where’s the finals podcast!
Watching how bad Doran, Peanut and Chovy choked today, I am not surprised that DRX took the win convincingly. They underperformed since Worlds started as compared their LCK summer form. Congrats to DRX. hope the Cinderella story continues and take the trophy home.
Hello!! When should we expect DRX vs T1 final analysis? Thank you
Where's the next video 😭😭😭😭 I need it.
I've always respected Jatt's voice and so have been keen to listen to these breakdowns but they have been struggling to keep my attention. I think what these are missing is game footage because when he's describing scenarioes in the game to make points I find it really hard to keep up or remember the scenarioes so my mind trails off.
Are you going to do one for the final match? I have been checking your youtube channel weeks now it seems lol.
What mic are you using Jatt it's so clean
Love this series Jatt. I really like how you breakdown things exhaustively
Chovy was an Anchovy this BO5. He was a small fry who keeps flip flopping all over the place with no presence in the food chain.
Easy to get hyped on DRX after the game 2 mental switch. Hope it’s a heated 5 game finals set.
I'm loving these videos!! I keep refreshing TH-cam in anticipation lol.
yo chop chop big man we need to hear your take on the tousle and kafuffle
I agree, it totally felt like DRX flipped a switch in game 2. I was right there with you thinking this would be a sweep halfway through game 2
I didn't have faith in GenG since Damwon series, they just went to semis because Damwon got cocky with yuumi and Deokdam ultra flash in that final fight
best worlds in a min, did not expect both semis to go more than 3 games
Deft’s last dance against God to win the finals next week is gonna be so hype. Personally gonna be cheering on T1 for the Zeus Yone skin
Doubtful it'd be Yone even if he wins. Jayce is just synonymous to Zeus
@FyreWanderer yeah players get to choose the champ for the skin
@FyreWanderer You choose a champ that you have played at Worlds if you win it
I'm not actually that surprised by the result, i picked drx going into this match. I remember watching lck finals and the biggest problem gen g posed to t1 imo was the draft. There was just no way to ban/pick away enough champions from them to not leave game winning champions in multiple roles. That didn't seem to be true anymore. Gen g seemed to revert to an old school lck style, the style that was run over by lpl aggression for several years. T1 and drx are playing very proactively, even down right aggressively, and that's what's seemed to win championships lately.
aka no more broken zeri champ for geng to abuse even with bad macro
FK aggressive even jing dong was unable to keep pace with how hyperfast T1 was playing tp into ryze ult into baron take into opening game I can't see gen g ever doing it
tbh I feel like DK would have given DRX a much tougher series
@@pda32301 Well yes, but everyone except Ruler were afk the entire tournament. Comparing the current Chovy to any other Chovy before this tournament is like comparing 2022 BDD to the earlier BDD.
@@olsenfernandes3634 i find this argument so dumb. you're gonna act like chovy completely changed as a player in the span of a month? Chovy played like he always does, focuses on his lane and maximizing farm. Zeka played his style, carry champs who can roam. One was clearly more effective than the other.
It's not a "different version" of Chovy, it's a matchup of different styles and different team macros and one was better.
Amazing content and awesome correction at the end. 👍
Ngl here for the same day coverage, great work
Will you breakdown the final?
Last time this happened he got picked up as a coach 👀
Stellar analysis Jatt!
Even after DRX won their second game, I was still pretty sure that Gen G was gonna sweep 3-0
There's actually a possible argument you could maybe make that the scrim bubbles evidently (T1+DRX, GENG+JDG) showed which one was the better bubble, cos Karma suddenly appeared for both Geng and JDG and an apparent lack of Heimer ashe picks in their botlanes. This may have been the draft hole that left geng and jdg in a massive disadvantage in every draft
Why did you stop making teamfight breakdown videos? Those videos were the best league videos of all time!
Great job as always Jatt
@JLXP this series has been amazing. I'm loving the analysis. Will you be releasing later versions where you match the audio with the corresponding clips in game? If not is it okay for me to do so?
Shameless timmies merch placement!! ❤️
Still no finals analysis
I’m so happy with the finals, both teams I want to win… These matches have been awesome
I think for Game 4 you got the read backwards on what Gen G was looking to do. IMO, they left the Sylas up expecting Zeka to default to picking it and were planning on countering it with Ryze (which I believe was their ace for the matchup that was unfortunately spoiled by the previous series) while also giving themselves the ability to hide their bot lane for last pick and forcing DRX to blind an ADC. Renekton was picked up to give Doran comfort and the strong lane angle to prevent DRX from taking advantage of him again.
Eh after seeing Faker blind Ryze the pick is still good. It provides early lane tempo. It allows you to play for side lanes. It provides good skirmishing power (instant CC). The problem was GenG just do nothing proactive in the map for Ryze to be a good pick at all.
Only team I trust picking Jhin in any circumstance was Damwon in 2020.
Videos are great.
Gotta hope for Deft to win the finals and for Pyosik, he is super inconsistent but overall plays in the best/second best league in the world, people who call him Pyoshit don't realize that he would probably trash any other region if he went there and that he is still a challenger level player.
Will he be posting analysis of the final?
Where is my finals JLXP?? >:(
Thanks again for a great breakdown!
The pace of this series was REALLY SLOW compared to T1-JDG. I really do wonder how much T1 would try to raise the tempo early game and whether DRX can match accordingly.
average LPL team vs the most high tempo LCK team in ages / maybe since forever
@@aaawa2074 they stomped RNG with high tempo too
Gen.G was like the quintessential LCK team
They don't have to. GenG is a slow team that afk in the early/mid game. T1 does not. The onus honestly is on DRX to raise the tempo because they are certainly not want to take it late game considering they are not GenG and handshake the top lane into a tank vs tank match up.
Beryl is a bit of a problem
still no finals analysis
I like the Tims cup!
From a proud French Canadian :)
Jatt, What happened to the finals breakdown man? :( We want one haha
Thanks for these Jatt
They don't call him Choky for no reason. It feels good to know the problem in DRX then wasn't Deft but Chovy's obsession with CSing.
GenG shouldn't have passed previous series and got exposed tonight tbh
I really enjoy watching Zeka, i was worried for him outside of Akali and Sylas against Chovy but he definitely delivered
Why shouldn't we judge Chovy according to this serie ? Tremendous player but he's also know for his capacity to choke for a long time
no one predicted 2016 SSG to make finals either, them even making worlds over KT was a big upset at the time
i had the exact opposite thought process going into this game, this was my easiest pickems this week, I had a harder time between t1 and jdg. GenG has not looked good all of worlds and they played Damwon as if they didnt want fail in the sense they played safe as possible to either win safely or lose because they were beat by aggressive outplays. On top of Peanut and Chovy looking like they were nervous last series i auto locked DRX to win this one
Do you think you will have some off-season podcast
where is the finals breakdown? did jatt die after drx won..?
I don't understand the Pyosik slander in game 2... Beryl flashes and walks in a straight line, misses a Q and is useless the rest of the fight, instead of just threatening Lehends to flash. If Karma doesn't flash, he's dead whether or not Lux Qs him, if Karma flashes with Lux Q not being on cooldown for no reason, he gets insta-rooted and dies.
The only way Pyosik is in a position to not be able to finish off the kill is if Beryl completes fumbles the engage.
The last dance with the demon king
I would say Pyosik on Game 2 deserves a bit better grade (maybe an A at least?), because I don't know if Jatt noticed that Pyosik was the winning factor on the Elder Fight, since he landed the Lamb Respite on top of the Elder on the exact frame(like 943 Health) that Peanut's Graves flashed in for the Auto-Smite Steal, which Peanut wasted because of it, and Kindred's R ALSO covered his teammates from incoming Karma/Varus poke damage. Had Pyosik failed to do this, Peanut could have stolen the Elder and ended the game for GENG since Chovy was pushing bottom and could have gotten easy access to the nexus despite a Tanky Kingen Gragas.
Peanut or Chovy was MVP. Chovy for farming side waves while having a lethality varus accelerated. Peanut for getting caught numerous times and having the worst graves ever.
Finally people can see that we dont need to have western teams at worlds to have an amazing event, the only thing we need are the best teams playing bo5.
Still rather have a good G2 than a bad RNG / EDG
Western fans need a team to root for if they are not a fan of T1 or something. If I wasn’t a T1 fan I would be mad at western team for being ass
@@aaawa2074 almost everyone is a T1/Faker fan.
And honestly most western fans are lowkey LCK fans bc their teams just sucked for almost the entirety of league history so they root for the best instead.
Good analysis but unfortunately the lip smacking was distracting for me 😔
Games 3 and 4 felt it came down more due to a difference in draft than a gap in player skill. It was disappointing watching the draft quality tank from g3 onwards.
Can we talk about how Peanut just respawned in game 4 in time to contest a 50%-50% baron and decided he hated Zeka enough to ignore the objective?
Other than me I don't think anyone really understood drx. Loved them since longzhu and still love them.
3rd game DRX had perfect comp team. ORNN + Renata,varus ult and Viego with Akali to finish off low hp dudes..
Hey jatt you should do a finals preview in addition to the recap
Lol, still no finals analysis.
This worlds was off to such a boring start before the knockout stage but it’s been ramping up immensely
Why no Vod reviews?
"I dont think the Chovy that showed up today is the Chovy that has played throughout the season and worlds till now"
Yes.
That is called choking.
Having an "off" day in a semi finals game means you need to work on your mental.
We are not talking about 100m sprint where you start 0.5 sec late and everything is lost.
He literally had 5 games to win 3.
And he couldn't.
Nice!
The cinderella run
30:25 trade CS for Nexus! always worth it!! 😁
Chovy was just your traditional afk csing immobile mid laner for games 2-4. Doran was fairly non-existent every game. GEN played pretty scared games 3 and 4. DRX drafted and played and executed at an extremely high level. Lehends could have picked Nautilus game 3 and something different game 4. Good on DRX for the win.
I think you're overestimating BeryL. Zeka, Kingen, and Pyosik hard carried their bot lane. Bot lane needed 4 ADC and 1 support bans to go very slightly behind in the last game, they lost their lane in every other match, that is without much attention from mid/jungle, just straight up 2v2. It's not like Deft did anything great in teamfights, his most memorable moment from the series was literally KSing Zeka with Galeforce (it wasn't a "maybe" kill, ahri orb was a millisecond from getting the kill on its way back). The amount of skillshots missed by BeryL was overwhelming with his terrible flash miss on Lux as a prime example. It's really worrying before their match vs SKT, as Guma looked very strong.
Was it just me, or did anyone else notice that Peanut kept laughing and nervously talking from the looks of it everytime the camera was on him, and Chovy did not look happy. multiple times they went from peanut to chovy on the player cams and I saw peanut laughing and chovy barely awake looking very sad. Cant really see anger, but i dunno he like a robot.