Jimmy was perfect here. All the criticism he's received for his loose playing means nothing when you see him during this performance. Greatest song of all time for me
Yes. Jimmy's heart and soul was in it. His tone isn't great, but his playing is into it. Plant's is disinterested in it. And the rhythm section wasn't qualified to play it, especially Micheal Lee. Thus, you got this shambolic, and last ever performed live version of it. Dropping it was a gift to fans. Keeping Michael Lee away from it was a great call. Having 40-50 Micheal Lee versions being touted as 'the best ever' by Lee fanbois, would just be an even larger insult to the song than this already is. Let Lee play the stuff he can't botch as easily. Which is what they did.
@zoso1980 Nah, Michael Lee did a great job, and he didn't just copy Bonham like some drummers might. Plant seems really into it as well, so I don't know where you're getting that he wasn't, especially since they performed it three times in 95.
@MiturBinEsderty Porl Thompson is the second guitarist. I saw them on this tour. I know exactly what Page did on this song because I can see some of the parts he's playing. Page was really good here. Period
THIS is the perfect rock song. It moves in like an approaching distant storm....then thrashes you around like a tornado... does its glorious damage, and then moves off in the opposite direction. This is pure magic by Page. In fact, I've read it's his favourite Zeppelin song.
The guitar in this one is my favorite, if I had to pick one. You can feel the spirits being summonsed from the air of another realm by the guitar. It feels as though Jimmy is playing for the goddess.
He has said that 'The Rain Song' is his favourite Zep song but I read a comment which stated that 'Achilles ... ' was his favourite song to play live. Perhaps that is true but it begs the question of why he didn't play it live with the same frequency as he performed the other Zeppelin classics.
TheHumbuckerboy When he plays it live it’s like an actual last stand. It’s so physically exhausting to play between lead and rhythm like that the whole way through. You can really see him struggle at Knebworth 1979, but he still does great in this performance regardless.
Reason: Jason couldn't play it. Just like Lee paled when he tried. And, the 02 wasn't a proper Zeppelin show. It was a safe legacy show that didn't have any 'tight but loose' going on. ALS should've been there, but getting a drummer who can play it properly is very rare. They kept it safe in '07 for things Jason could handle.
@@dortega12 The perils of aging, no doubt. Plant's voice changed again about '85 with even more loss of range. The 02 is a historical curiosity. It wasn't a real Zeppelin show, though. That willingness to paint out of the lines, and more importantly the interplay between Bonzo and JP, how those songs flowed. Jason isn't that type of drummer. Jason's performance was nearly all based in research and click tracks. There was no free flowing jamming that went wherever Bonzo, JPJ and JP took it. Watching the 02 to this day, I feel none of the excitement, energy and vibes of gigs with Bonham. The 02 was like a Supertramp gig - precise, calculated, no adventure.
These guys were drenching wet,.... showing how much they LOVE to perform.. Robert Plant was incredible, Jimmy Page was a force to be recognized with ,(unimaginable) & Robert Lee gave his heart out as drummer!!! OMG!! INCREDIBLE!!!
Jimmy Page absolutely kills it here in this absolute epic of composition that seems to have flown under the radar. The studio version of this is a huge guitar-o-rama and also has one of Jimmy’s top 3 epic solos of all time right up with my other 2 fave solos from Stairway to Heaven and Whole Lotta Love. This is rock at its best.
Which Stairway To Heaven version is your favorite? I can not decide from MSG version on live album, Earls Court performance or one you may never have heard, concert I attended. Must find on YT!!!! 2/14/75 Valentines Day Massacre at Long Island Coliseum. No video but sound is great and show was iconic! 22nd row center section of floor. Intro to Kashmir - "song from upcoming Album..." I was 15. I knew then that would be best concert I'd ever see and it was. 77 show was great too.
@@TomBVoxman me too at age 64. But Earls Court version and concert I attended (audio only but entire show) Valentines Day 1975 at Long Island Coliseum are equally awesome guitar work so love listening to all 3
It drives me nuts that this wasn't a regular staple in both Page/Plant tours. I saw them four times and have several bootlegs from those tours and this is only time they seemed to have played it. It's arguably my favorite live song for Zep. There's just so much desperation in the tempo. The DVD version from Knebworth is plain awesome. It felt like a race against time...amazing.
I think Michael did a fantastic job with Page & Plant. I saw them at MSA in Indianapolis in June '98. They were all spot on that night. He got to jam/record/tour with the best of all time. How many can say that? We lost him far too soon. Watch the performance of "Kashmir" from the Page & Plant "No Quarter" DVD and you'll see why he absolutely deserved to sit on the stage behind these gentlemen.
I was at the same show god I hated msa's steep ass steps..when they played whole lotta love encore I jumped up and smacked my ex wife's glasses clean off(accident of course) great night
Really impressed with Plant here. 20 years later and he's still able to deliver this. Love the 1977 LA and Seattle versions, and Knebworth of course, and to hear Robert holding his own against his past is kinda amazing. And it must be difficult for robert and jimmy to be in the middle of this and not feel the absence of Bonham ... and Jonesy..
Well, I think JPJ was very willing to go on this tour if they at least INVITED him! He didn't even know they were planning this when it was in the works, the guys were two jerks with him in this regard...
@@gabriels.carvalho4852 Oh, I know. I had the opportunity to see Plant/Page on their first tour and opted out because there was no Jones. They replaced him with Plant's son-in-law, a keyboard composer guy, Pearl Thompson from the original cure and a hurdey-gurdy player named Nigel. I think they did it b/c Plant didn't want to split the millions three ways. Page woulda preferred Jones, no doubt about that.
@@jdmo- It wasn't about the money, it was about not being Zeppelin in Plant's eyes. He never wanted to be a parody, and he wasn't, but I think Jonesy should have been invited. Great collaboration but I can see why John Paul wasn't pleased to find his two mates on the tv performing their songs.
@@joeyhuebner10 Oh, I know that's what Plant said at the time; it's just hard to reconcile his position with the facts that, 1) obviously, it wasn't Led Zeppelin, and, 2) He and Page had an Egyptian orchestra to pay. Cheers!
@@primitivebroadcast- Solid points, I wish pressure didnt really factor into Robert's hesitation to make music with his former bandmates. It never had to be Zeppelin, with all 3 moving in their own parallels. I think the best thing would have been to do their solo material, reconvene, release a new record, play a couple concerts, be on their merry way and repeat if they so please.
let's face it. jimmy sounds better here than he did on most of the 77' tour dates. he was pretty strung out at that time, bone skinny, and not playing as well as he was/is capable. he had his moments on the 77' tour, and some amazing of course, but by in large he was not playing his best,
You are absolutely right. Footage from 1977 is hard to watch ; it's my favorite era to be honest. When he was on he was still phenomenal but oh man when he was off it was heartbreaking.
watching live zeppelin in the later years is just sad. page is often so strung out that he can barely play, and what comes out is completely devoid of the dynamism that made him great.
@@korwl540 But Bonham and Jones were so solid that they saved the day most of the time, even when Jimmy was falling off a cliff. But there are still some concerts in 77' where he kills it.
I would rather say Jimmy was taking more risks (in terms of improvisation) in 77 tour because he knew that he had solid band members behind him, who were used to playing with each other for a very long time. In 90's Page & Plant Reunion Tour, I think he was not taking any risks cause he knew that the band he had on tour was lacking chemistry, and unsurprisingly enough, it was/is hard to fill the shoes of a monster like Led Zeppelin... In this video, the band plays almost the album version of Achilles L.S., and of course, a solid guitar player like Jimmy wouldn't make any mistakes in such situation... But improvisation is all about that moment... So I excuse Jimmy in person for all the mistakes he had done while playing guitar in 77 tour, I enjoy them all actually :) I would play the Presence album itself, if I don't want to hear any mistakes etc.
I always thought Michael was an excellent choice to fill John`s late shoes. Like John he`d pound the shit out of the skins and was a force, not just a guy in the background keeping time. Really sad when I heard he too had passed away way before his time.
Yeah but with Bonzo, it was all wrist work as far as where his power came from. It all came from the way he hit the drums not how hard he pounded. Michael was good for this project, but he surely did not have the subtlety and finesse that Bonham had in spades.
Totally agree. There are heavier songs (speed/thrash metal) and guitarists who can shred louder and faster than Page, but this song never fails to move me. I get absolutely giddy during that last section starting at 8:50, with Plant’s ah ah ah up against Jimmy’s fast, palm-muted chunk riffage.
Michael Lee was a bad fit and made a mess of Achilles. His beat was wrong and groove was off. These non-drummers praising Lee. He couldn't match a Bonham groove if it slapped him from the grave.
@@zoso1980 It's so awful hearing Michael Lee (God rest his soul) butcher these songs. As a replacement for Bonzo, Jason actually blended in with the band unlike Michael. Also Michael has about the worst drum tone I've ever heard from a band of this caliper, just listen to his snare. I can't believe all of the tone deaf people that believe other wise.
Michael Lee was a damn good player but I agree that his drum sound and lack of swing hurt him on certain tunes. As much as I LOVED these shows and was excited to see Page/Pant I didn't really care for the bass/drums.
That was very likely plants decision. He was pretty much dictating the terms of the Reunion including the set list . I know page wanted to play Achilles last stand at the 2007 reunion and plant would not perform it . Plant said something about it being to metal. But it's probably more about the lyrical content .the song is his negative feelings towards the led zeppelin experience including his band mates at the time the song was written. Cretain ssongs bring out old resentments so plant tends to avoid those songs. Plants discontentment and grievances with led zeppelin in the mid 70s are all over the presence album . Which is probably why so few signs were ever played from that album .
Holy crap, I was at that show! This is my 1st time seeing this here on TH-cam. That's when they toured with the Indian/Egyptian orchestra. If memory serves me, they opened with "Sick Again." Great concert! They did a lot of tunes off "Physical Graffiti." "Custard Pie", "Down By The Seaside" "Houses of the Holy", closed with "Kashmir", of coarse. When Page started hitting those first opening notes to "Achilles" I was as excited as an 8 yr old on Christmas morning. My only fear was that it was a tease. Like how they'd play the beginning to "Out on the Tiles" or "Heartbreaker" then go into "Black Dog." NOPE!! And here it is. It was very common for Plant to start another song in the middle of "Whole Lotta Love." He tried to get the band to follow him with "Riders on the Storm", "LA Woman" and "Road House Blues," they were having no part of it. I didn't care. I was hearing MY FAVORITE rock singer, singing the lyrics of my second favorite band. (Zeppelin being number one. *Note* No one sang better than Elvis! No one. Not Plant. Mercury. Bowie. Lennon/ McCartney. Not even Justin Bieber! No one.) Plant even did the Page/Coverdale's, "Shake My Tree." Thanks for the memory! I shall sleep well tonight. (Damn it. That was 25 years ago. So much for sleeping well.)
The playing is tight Jimmy’s def back in form on this one yes there were a few live performances where he was consumed by his obvious addictions but even those(1983) where he was a physical wreck and suffering his muscle memory enabled him to play with scary abandon as he was lost in the sound and moment not perfect but still the Jimmy that we love and he shared his painful moments with us Thanks for the music you guys
Plant did ok imo considering his vocal issues on PG and the fact that he was in a wheelchair for most of the Presence sessions. 1971 Plant was long gone by then.
Incorrect. It was so bad they dropped it after two performances on this tour. So you could say one of the best performances of it during the tour - as they are only two. Snark aside, Jimmy's tone sounds awful. Michael Lee's drumming is wrong, and his kit sounds like garbage. Charlie Jones tone is wrong. Plant doesn't have the range. All the heart and soul of Achilles Last Stand, none of the soul is there. To even consider this as a "good" performance is laughable. C'mon now. It's a weak version by a rhythm section who doesn't get the whole vibe of the song. "Best?" No. This song is akin to the "Green Manalishi" from Fleetwood Mac. Only Peter Green (RIP) knew the heart and soul of the number. Similarly, without Bonzo, Achilles Last Stand becomes a lifeless amateur hour of potential drummers who think they have it - when they don't. The results are a phoned in half assed version we see here. Jimmy is into it, Plant won't even do the classic body language of the "ah-ah-ah-ah" that they did in '77. Sorry Ted, you be tone deaf. Cheers.
Saw. Outdoors, Cal Expo Amphitheater. Blind Melon opened for them. With Late great Michael Lee on Drums. Pearl Thompson held things great together with Jimmy.
Theres no way to ever prove it so in that sense its a pointless thing to bet on, but I would put money down that if you were played this - audio only - without given the context, you would not be saying that.
If I were to hear this, audio only, given no context, I would instantly know that this isn't Bonzo. This is no slight against ML. The drum part is being played significantly differently. Bonzo played this song with a particular 'gallop" and a certain kind of of loosness. This version is much more straight. I'm thoroughly enjoying it though!
Yeah I know what you mean about the galloping rhythm but without context you might also just think Bonzo was doing it different or having an off night. Theres no way to know for certain. You might be right Im just saying its impossible to prove
There's a part of me that wants to agree. Lee does do a stand up job, but it's missing something. perhaps the sound quality that we're listen to. Not sure. With that being said, check out Chad Smith, RHCP, rendition. Closest to perfection.
what is and what should never be is another i thought of. not much you can do to swap that one up. i love the twists he puts into the live solos. you can see how much he feels the music, its not like people today that just go out and play it exactly the same every time. long live sir page
@Tecumseh1812 That's a pity that he had to die to get people to quit bashing him for not sounding like another dead guy. Jimmy and Robert didn't call any of their projects together in the 90's Led Zeppelin they called it what it was Page and Plant. Michael Lee was a damn fine drummer btw.
I was in the crowd with 2 of my cousins. One, Terry Harris, introduced me to Zeppelin. I remember trying to wake him up because he had a few beers already and had passed out. I knew he wouldn't want to miss this song. Now to know they on played it one other time. This song is the only memory I have of the concert now.
This is a great video. Great to see Robert singing this after so many years. I saw them a few days after in Knoxville. I remember being in line to get a beer and the guy next to me had heard they were playing this song, so I was pretty excited. Unfortunately, those of us in Knoxville never heard it. Still a great concert. Although I thought their sound system could have been better for this particular tour. Hard to believe that was 18 years ago. And it was such a big deal! Very special tour.
A golden heart stopped beating. Hard-working hands at rest. God broke our hearts to prove to us, he only takes the best. Thank you Michael Lee for your time and dedication that you put into Page & Plant to bring out that Zeppelin sound.. Not just I love you, but WE all love you..Rest In Peace ..🫶🙏❤️
If this drummer is good enough for Robert Plant and Jimmy Page,, he is good enough for me,, aside from the 90’s snare sound he is spot on,, perfect live tempo, no flucating,, lots of power in just forearm wrist snaps
Correction. Lee was good enough for Plant. In his solo work, Planty doesn't have the highest standards. Page showed up because Plant did. Understand how these things work with those two. Jimmy would've worked with ANYONE if Robert would agree to play with him at that time. FACT.
@@zoso1980 You have no idea what you are talking about First off, Plant recommended Bozo to Jimmy. Plant used 4 different drummers on his first 3 albums. Phil Collins, Cozy Powell, Barriemore Barlow, and Richie Hayward. I think anybody who knows anything about drummers, and sees who Robert had play on his albums, and then reads what you have written about Plant's low standards when picking drummers, will easily conclude you are full of shit.
@@zoso1980 FACT: Jimmy played a live show at Giant Stadium without Robert in 1999...Net Aid. Yeah, you guessed right, he chose the highly talented Michael Lee as his drummer. "Understand how things work with these two." They play with only highly talented, highly professional players. Despite the nonsensical musings of the peanut gallery.
finally someone admits his snare sound- gosh, i liked Michael Lee but he absolutely butchers all the Zep tunes and no one calls him on this. His work is good but he isnt the right fit for Zep tunes at all
He also disgraced, tone deafed and missed the whole nuance of many pieces. The guy isn't a great drummer, no matter what you think. He was a disgrace in The Cult too, in '92. Couldn't get the feel right and shat on the songs. He was no master, he was couldn't replicate styles and compliment numbers. Instead, he changed their vibes because he couldn't replicate what he was trying master the original feel. Transfigure? More like incapable of playing from a diverse vibe and feel. The guy played hard but was one dimensional. I've always called him a spastic monkey. That's the truth. He is no drumming Syd Barrett. Approaching Bonham's stuff with a marching drum snare and two tiny cymbals was laughable and was a extreme form of tone-deafness, or worse, disrespect. Then there was his lack of being able even get anywhere near Bonham's swing, so he did in his usual one dimensional style tried and ended up with something that sounded and felt off. Watching him play 10 Years Gone was embarrassing. He couldn't reel it in and play sensitively to compliment the song. Crash and bash spastic monkey with a very narrow range - that's who Micheal Lee was a player. #facts.
The drumming is BAD, the kit choices are bad, and the vibe is wrong. Brilliant? Not even close. An amateur trying to play the material of a great and looking foolish trying do it.
Incredible. I was fortunate enough to see Page and Plant on this tour, in Milwaukee, WI. It was like I was seeing Led Zeppelin. Best concert I've ever been to.
Missed this show but was lucky enough to have seen John and the crew on his birthday at Greensboro Coliseum NC May 31st 1977...we all sang Happy Birthday to him. NEVER FORGET IT. THEY WERE VERY LATE ARRIVING ,LOL.
GOOSEBUMPS BABY!! Can't you just see and almost touch the Viking warriors as they sail across the North Sea to find a new homeland and engage in the glories of war? Epic, epic, epic. Neither Eric Clapton, nor Jeff Beck, as much as I love them both, could ever right a song of this magnitude!
Who else recognized a hint of part of this song, a foreshadowing, if you will, right before “if you’re going to California” during Dazed on the live SRTS album?
Michael Lee is fabulous here and in other vids I've seen, him with Page and Plant. What's very apparent is the incredible energy he put forth and the pure joy on his face as he played these epic tunes with such HEART! Powerful indeed...I'd have loved to try and fill those shoes, even for a moment! I think Lee would be proud to have lived such a full life (tho very short) to have such opportunity. May he and dear John Bonham rest in peace.
They came to San Diego back in the 90`s at Cox arena . When we got there it was soldout so we had to jump the rod iron fence after me and my buddy had downed a case of beer. The next day I noticed a tear on the inside thigh area of my jeans I have a scar on my thigh a scar I carry with pride ! They rocked !
Days went by when you and I Made an eternal summers glow As far away and distant Our mutual time to grow Oh the sweet refrain Soothes the soul and calms the pain Oh Albion remains Sleeping Now To Rise Again
achiles last stand,najlesie zahrana skladba od cias led zeppelin.tak tiez michael lee je fantastickyjimmy page je super,robert to tiez zvlada hlasovo,je to silna dinamicka skladba,cely album presence je fantasticky.chyba mi tam john paul jones.skoda.
There's more parts in this song than a freakin encyclopedia. I'm surprised they didn't have a conductor to lead them through it! And Page actually is playing pretty damn good here...
Jimmy was perfect here. All the criticism he's received for his loose playing means nothing when you see him during this performance. Greatest song of all time for me
Yes. Jimmy's heart and soul was in it. His tone isn't great, but his playing is into it. Plant's is disinterested in it. And the rhythm section wasn't qualified to play it, especially Micheal Lee. Thus, you got this shambolic, and last ever performed live version of it. Dropping it was a gift to fans. Keeping Michael Lee away from it was a great call. Having 40-50 Micheal Lee versions being touted as 'the best ever' by Lee fanbois, would just be an even larger insult to the song than this already is. Let Lee play the stuff he can't botch as easily. Which is what they did.
@@zoso1980 your a bitter bitter old woman ain’t cha????
@zoso1980 Nah, Michael Lee did a great job, and he didn't just copy Bonham like some drummers might. Plant seems really into it as well, so I don't know where you're getting that he wasn't, especially since they performed it three times in 95.
You do realize they had another guitarist playing. This song sucked so bad they dropped it after one night. Jimmy is playing long chords.
@MiturBinEsderty Porl Thompson is the second guitarist. I saw them on this tour. I know exactly what Page did on this song because I can see some of the parts he's playing. Page was really good here. Period
You may like or dislike Led Zeppelin,but this song is an absolute masterpiece in rock history
Zeppelin greatest band ever ❤
Plant and page Tour of 90s was a Zeppelin reunion, bottom line no john paul jones but ,saw then twice in Boston, basically doing Zeppelins music.
They stand alone period ,As ultimate band.
@@gregkallas1951Saw them at the Target Center in Minneapolis. I was in my mid-twenties.
THIS is the perfect rock song. It moves in like an approaching distant storm....then thrashes you around like a tornado... does its glorious damage, and then moves off in the opposite direction. This is pure magic by Page. In fact, I've read it's his favourite Zeppelin song.
Agreed... I meant the song itself. There can never be another Bonham or another original lineup. That's why they ended the band as it was really.
The guitar in this one is my favorite, if I had to pick one. You can feel the spirits being summonsed from the air of another realm by the guitar. It feels as though Jimmy is playing for the goddess.
He has said that 'The Rain Song' is his favourite Zep song but I read a comment which stated that 'Achilles ... ' was his favourite song to play live. Perhaps that is true but it begs the question of why he didn't play it live with the same frequency as he performed the other Zeppelin classics.
TheHumbuckerboy When he plays it live it’s like an actual last stand. It’s so physically exhausting to play between lead and rhythm like that the whole way through. You can really see him struggle at Knebworth 1979, but he still does great in this performance regardless.
@@TheHumbuckerboy if he played it everytime it would make the song less special,both for the audience and for the band
I think we can all agree all songs from Led Zeppelin are a master piece ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
A real shame they didn’t play it in 2007.
It deserved to be there 100%
2007 and the low tuned songs... Don’t like it personally.
@@dortega12 Not all the songs were tuned down.
@@dortega12 thought they absolutely nailed Kashmir though
Reason: Jason couldn't play it. Just like Lee paled when he tried. And, the 02 wasn't a proper Zeppelin show. It was a safe legacy show that didn't have any 'tight but loose' going on. ALS should've been there, but getting a drummer who can play it properly is very rare. They kept it safe in '07 for things Jason could handle.
@@dortega12 The perils of aging, no doubt. Plant's voice changed again about '85 with even more loss of range. The 02 is a historical curiosity. It wasn't a real Zeppelin show, though. That willingness to paint out of the lines, and more importantly the interplay between Bonzo and JP, how those songs flowed. Jason isn't that type of drummer. Jason's performance was nearly all based in research and click tracks. There was no free flowing jamming that went wherever Bonzo, JPJ and JP took it. Watching the 02 to this day, I feel none of the excitement, energy and vibes of gigs with Bonham. The 02 was like a Supertramp gig - precise, calculated, no adventure.
The interaction between Page and Plant is the greatest in rock!
Does no one see Jimmy absolutely kill it . The man is amazing... the drummer is awesome also !!
I see it.. no drugs makes Jimmy the best.,
The Drummer, Michael Lee. Rest In Peace. Gone way too soon. Epilepsy.
Yess simlpy amazeing.. i saw Page & Plant live 6 times. Led Zeppelin. Once.. im so lucky.. and thankfull.
Yess. He kills it!! 1,000%%%!!!
Michael Lee was a great drummer, much better than the bored Jason Bonham
Micheal Lee is a beast on the kit ... R.I.P.
He frickin nailed it!
These guys were drenching wet,.... showing how much they LOVE to perform.. Robert Plant was incredible, Jimmy Page was a force to be recognized with ,(unimaginable) & Robert Lee gave his heart out as drummer!!! OMG!! INCREDIBLE!!!
This song is impossible to get tired of. Its been my favorite for a long ass time too.
Jimmy Page absolutely kills it here in this absolute epic of composition that seems to have flown under the radar. The studio version of this is a huge guitar-o-rama and also has one of Jimmy’s top 3 epic solos of all time right up with my other 2 fave solos from Stairway to Heaven and Whole Lotta Love. This is rock at its best.
Which Stairway To Heaven version is your favorite? I can not decide from MSG version on live album, Earls Court performance or one you may never have heard, concert I attended. Must find on YT!!!! 2/14/75 Valentines Day Massacre at Long Island Coliseum. No video but sound is great and show was iconic! 22nd row center section of floor. Intro to Kashmir - "song from upcoming Album..." I was 15. I knew then that would be best concert I'd ever see and it was. 77 show was great too.
@@donalddemoI can’t get enough of the Stairway solo on the live SRTS album. I can hum every note. It’s still a driveway song for me.
@@TomBVoxman me too at age 64. But Earls Court version and concert I attended (audio only but entire show) Valentines Day 1975 at Long Island Coliseum are equally awesome guitar work so love listening to all 3
It drives me nuts that this wasn't a regular staple in both Page/Plant tours. I saw them four times and have several bootlegs from those tours and this is only time they seemed to have played it. It's arguably my favorite live song for Zep. There's just so much desperation in the tempo. The DVD version from Knebworth is plain awesome. It felt like a race against time...amazing.
No bonzo, no party
Michael Lee was an amazing drummer and will be very much missed - rest in peace Michael. My prayers go out to your family and friends.
I love Bonham.
But I think anyone that fills in for him this well deserves respect. He's no replacement. However, Lee does a great job.
I think Michael did a fantastic job with Page & Plant. I saw them at MSA in Indianapolis in June '98. They were all spot on that night.
He got to jam/record/tour with the best of all time. How many can say that? We lost him far too soon.
Watch the performance of "Kashmir" from the Page & Plant "No Quarter" DVD and you'll see why he absolutely deserved to sit on the stage behind these gentlemen.
I was at the same show god I hated msa's steep ass steps..when they played whole lotta love encore I jumped up and smacked my ex wife's glasses clean off(accident of course) great night
I was there too. It was a awesome show. I believe it was June 9th I still have the ticket stub.
Michael was a damn fine drummer. So sad for him to pass at such a young age.
P&P are hard on drummers
brad gilker Michael Lee was an epileptic. No drugs or alcohol involved. Sad, really.
Really impressed with Plant here. 20 years later and he's still able to deliver this. Love the 1977 LA and Seattle versions, and Knebworth of course, and to hear Robert holding his own against his past is kinda amazing. And it must be difficult for robert and jimmy to be in the middle of this and not feel the absence of Bonham ... and Jonesy..
Well, I think JPJ was very willing to go on this tour if they at least INVITED him! He didn't even know they were planning this when it was in the works, the guys were two jerks with him in this regard...
@@gabriels.carvalho4852 Oh, I know. I had the opportunity to see Plant/Page on their first tour and opted out because there was no Jones. They replaced him with Plant's son-in-law, a keyboard composer guy, Pearl Thompson from the original cure and a hurdey-gurdy player named Nigel. I think they did it b/c Plant didn't want to split the millions three ways. Page woulda preferred Jones, no doubt about that.
@@jdmo- It wasn't about the money, it was about not being Zeppelin in Plant's eyes. He never wanted to be a parody, and he wasn't, but I think Jonesy should have been invited. Great collaboration but I can see why John Paul wasn't pleased to find his two mates on the tv performing their songs.
@@joeyhuebner10 Oh, I know that's what Plant said at the time; it's just hard to reconcile his position with the facts that, 1) obviously, it wasn't Led Zeppelin, and, 2) He and Page had an Egyptian orchestra to pay. Cheers!
@@primitivebroadcast- Solid points, I wish pressure didnt really factor into Robert's hesitation to make music with his former bandmates. It never had to be Zeppelin, with all 3 moving in their own parallels.
I think the best thing would have been to do their solo material, reconvene, release a new record, play a couple concerts, be on their merry way and repeat if they so please.
This vid is absolutely priceless. They will never play it again. One of my favourite Zep tracks.
Recognize this people; these are 2 Gods on Earth. It may never be repeated again.
let's face it. jimmy sounds better here than he did on most of the 77' tour dates. he was pretty strung out at that time, bone skinny, and not playing as well as he was/is capable. he had his moments on the 77' tour, and some amazing of course, but by in large he was not playing his best,
You are absolutely right.
Footage from 1977 is hard to watch ; it's my favorite era to be honest.
When he was on he was still phenomenal but oh man when he was off it was heartbreaking.
@@yragnellaable "No Quarter" from that period was awesome.
watching live zeppelin in the later years is just sad. page is often so strung out that he can barely play, and what comes out is completely devoid of the dynamism that made him great.
@@korwl540 But Bonham and Jones were so solid that they saved the day most of the time, even when Jimmy was falling off a cliff. But there are still some concerts in 77' where he kills it.
I would rather say Jimmy was taking more risks (in terms of improvisation) in 77 tour because he knew that he had solid band members behind him, who were used to playing with each other for a very long time. In 90's Page & Plant Reunion Tour, I think he was not taking any risks cause he knew that the band he had on tour was lacking chemistry, and unsurprisingly enough, it was/is hard to fill the shoes of a monster like Led Zeppelin... In this video, the band plays almost the album version of Achilles L.S., and of course, a solid guitar player like Jimmy wouldn't make any mistakes in such situation... But improvisation is all about that moment... So I excuse Jimmy in person for all the mistakes he had done while playing guitar in 77 tour, I enjoy them all actually :) I would play the Presence album itself, if I don't want to hear any mistakes etc.
It is an absolute crime of humanity that they didn’t do this in 2007.
I was at THIS show, it was at The Omni(which has since been torn down)...I remember being shocked when they played this( fav LZ song)
So incredibly powerful, what a brilliant performance of this amazing Zep song.
I always thought Michael was an excellent choice to fill John`s late shoes. Like John
he`d pound the shit out of the skins and was a force, not just a guy in the background keeping time. Really sad when I heard he too had passed away way before his time.
Yeah this drumming is pretty killer.
Yeah but with Bonzo, it was all wrist work as far as where his power came from. It all came from the way he hit the drums not how hard he pounded. Michael was good for this project, but he surely did not have the subtlety and finesse that Bonham had in spades.
Swinging, interactive and playful. Achilles is greater than metal. Wish they performed this more on that great tour! NT
Yeah - how many shows did they play this at? I went to the Buffalo show, they did give us the first four notes of Stairway but not this.
Totally agree. There are heavier songs (speed/thrash metal) and guitarists who can shred louder and faster than Page, but this song never fails to move me. I get absolutely giddy during that last section starting at 8:50, with Plant’s ah ah ah up against Jimmy’s fast, palm-muted chunk riffage.
This is one song that sadly doesn't get as much recognition that it deserves.
I dread the day page is gone.... its such a scary thought,, my music life will just about end. Love you Jimmy! Stay strong!!! Please😥😭
I feel exactly the same as you.. Simply a dreadfulll thought..
But why are you mourning over Jimmy Page When he's STILL with us ?
One of my two favorite Zep songs the other being No Quarter
Michael Lee, raw,gritty, and I love his less is more drum kit. RIP
Micheal Lee did a good job filling in for bonham, Only thing missing is JPJ with his 8 string bass grove.
Michael Lee was a bad fit and made a mess of Achilles. His beat was wrong and groove was off. These non-drummers praising Lee. He couldn't match a Bonham groove if it slapped him from the grave.
@@zoso1980 Who could?
@@zoso1980 It's so awful hearing Michael Lee (God rest his soul) butcher these songs. As a replacement for Bonzo, Jason actually blended in with the band unlike Michael. Also Michael has about the worst drum tone I've ever heard from a band of this caliper, just listen to his snare. I can't believe all of the tone deaf people that believe other wise.
Michael Lee was a damn good player but I agree that his drum sound and lack of swing hurt him on certain tunes. As much as I LOVED these shows and was excited to see Page/Pant I didn't really care for the bass/drums.
I don't really understand why Page and Plant only ever played Achilles Last Stand just twice during their whole 90s reunion it sounds excellent.
Any idea the other date they played ALS on this tour?
Probably too exhausting
That was very likely plants decision. He was pretty much dictating the terms of the Reunion including the set list . I know page wanted to play Achilles last stand at the 2007 reunion and plant would not perform it . Plant said something about it being to metal. But it's probably more about the lyrical content .the song is his negative feelings towards the led zeppelin experience including his band mates at the time the song was written. Cretain ssongs bring out old resentments so plant tends to avoid those songs. Plants discontentment and grievances with led zeppelin in the mid 70s are all over the presence album . Which is probably why so few signs were ever played from that album .
@@adamwatson6916 the lyrics are not that negative if you ask me. Can be because of something else
If you get to the science of playing the song, you can compare the physicality of the performance to trying to do 100 pull ups.....
Robert points his finger to the sky for Bonzo when he sings “as I turned to you, you smiled at me”. He was there in spirit.
I Was lucky enough to see a show on this tour back in mARCH 1995.
I saw them in Sept. ‘95
Holy crap, I was at that show! This is my 1st time seeing this here on TH-cam. That's when they toured with the Indian/Egyptian orchestra. If memory serves me, they opened with "Sick Again." Great concert! They did a lot of tunes off "Physical Graffiti." "Custard Pie", "Down By The Seaside" "Houses of the Holy", closed with "Kashmir", of coarse. When Page started hitting those first opening notes to "Achilles" I was as excited as an 8 yr old on Christmas morning. My only fear was that it was a tease. Like how they'd play the beginning to "Out on the Tiles" or "Heartbreaker" then go into "Black Dog." NOPE!! And here it is. It was very common for Plant to start another song in the middle of "Whole Lotta Love." He tried to get the band to follow him with "Riders on the Storm", "LA Woman" and "Road House Blues," they were having no part of it. I didn't care. I was hearing MY FAVORITE rock singer, singing the lyrics of my second favorite band. (Zeppelin being number one. *Note* No one sang better than Elvis! No one. Not Plant. Mercury. Bowie. Lennon/ McCartney. Not even Justin Bieber! No one.) Plant even did the Page/Coverdale's, "Shake My Tree." Thanks for the memory! I shall sleep well tonight. (Damn it. That was 25 years ago. So much for sleeping well.)
It was like a dream sequence for me the whole time they were playing it. Couldn't believe it.
The playing is tight Jimmy’s def back in form on this one yes there were a few live performances where he was consumed by his obvious addictions but even those(1983) where he was a physical wreck and suffering his muscle memory enabled him to play with scary abandon as he was lost in the sound and moment not perfect but still the Jimmy that we love and he shared his painful moments with us Thanks for the music you guys
definitely a zeppelin masterpiece
One of my favorite Zep songs!
the prescence album is a dose of heavy zeppelin...as the years go by it grows in stature..
Lot of good songs. I think the difference is plant lost the ability to sing with power and the high notes. That album is basic plant.
Plant did ok imo considering his vocal issues on PG and the fact that he was in a wheelchair for most of the Presence sessions. 1971 Plant was long gone by then.
I love the presence album. My 2nd favorite from Zep.
Definitely in my top 2
Amazing how Jimmy Page performs in this, as well as drummer Michael Lee. Thanks for posting it kooxboox.
damn, I was at this concert ... this song hit like an anvil. Such tremendous musical force. And damn, I was younger then, LOL.
One of the best live performances of this song. Sounds so much better with two guitarists vs. Page trying to handle ALL of the guitar parts himself.
@Ken Doyle Please don't beg, it really is beneath you. However Porl Thompson is on stage playing second guitar.
@Ken Doyle 97-98 It was just Page but in 95 they added Porl Thompson from the band The Cure.
@@devanworkman8745 Yep. I was there and they did a Cure song.
@@tedwojtasik8781 oh is that the bloke on the right with a shaved head? I was wondering what he was doing on stage
Incorrect. It was so bad they dropped it after two performances on this tour. So you could say one of the best performances of it during the tour - as they are only two. Snark aside, Jimmy's tone sounds awful. Michael Lee's drumming is wrong, and his kit sounds like garbage. Charlie Jones tone is wrong. Plant doesn't have the range. All the heart and soul of Achilles Last Stand, none of the soul is there. To even consider this as a "good" performance is laughable. C'mon now. It's a weak version by a rhythm section who doesn't get the whole vibe of the song. "Best?" No. This song is akin to the "Green Manalishi" from Fleetwood Mac. Only Peter Green (RIP) knew the heart and soul of the number. Similarly, without Bonzo, Achilles Last Stand becomes a lifeless amateur hour of potential drummers who think they have it - when they don't. The results are a phoned in half assed version we see here. Jimmy is into it, Plant won't even do the classic body language of the "ah-ah-ah-ah" that they did in '77. Sorry Ted, you be tone deaf. Cheers.
I like how they showed that they can still perform this song! Excellent!
Love you Jimmy!!
Thank you so much for sharing this video it was absolutely amazing to watch!
So good!!! If you missed them in the 70's this was the tour to see!! So fortunate that i got to see them.
james beenken Exactly. This tour makes the reunion show pale in comparison.
Saw. Outdoors, Cal Expo Amphitheater. Blind Melon opened for them. With Late great Michael Lee on Drums. Pearl Thompson held things great together with Jimmy.
I think Michael Lee is doing a damn fine job here!
over played it
@@bradgilker3429 Lee had no space in his playing, over played almost everything.
Plant's current drummer Dave Smith has feel & groove.
@@mysterions13 Sort of agree.
It almost seems like he was influenced more by Moon than by Bonham.
@@mysterions13 Link to example of no space in Lee's playing.
Truly miss Bonham here.
Theres no way to ever prove it so in that sense its a pointless thing to bet on, but I would put money down that if you were played this - audio only - without given the context, you would not be saying that.
If I were to hear this, audio only, given no context, I would instantly know that this isn't Bonzo. This is no slight against ML. The drum part is being played significantly differently. Bonzo played this song with a particular 'gallop" and a certain kind of of loosness. This version is much more straight. I'm thoroughly enjoying it though!
Yeah I know what you mean about the galloping rhythm but without context you might also just think Bonzo was doing it different or having an off night. Theres no way to know for certain. You might be right Im just saying its impossible to prove
There's a part of me that wants to agree. Lee does do a stand up job, but it's missing something. perhaps the sound quality that we're listen to. Not sure. With that being said, check out Chad Smith, RHCP, rendition. Closest to perfection.
@@philweeks8459yup, Chad did a phenomenal job. Was that the version from a Namm show Zep tribute night?
Robert lived Lee very much!! Always honored him with his attention!!
Dear Lee!! 😢🤗😘
I was there!! Saw them both nights.
Did they play this both nights? I’m so jealous! They didn’t play this in northern Cal when I saw them.
I was at this show and was completely blown away that theydid this song it was ecstasy to my ears and soul
fantasticky zahrana skladba,dielo velkych majstrov.super,bravo.
thankyou michael R.I.P
what is and what should never be is another i thought of. not much you can do to swap that one up. i love the twists he puts into the live solos. you can see how much he feels the music, its not like people today that just go out and play it exactly the same every time. long live sir page
This voice - soooooo good ❤
that was truly amazing
Inexplicably incredible and one of the best finises to a song EVER!
Damn, I saw this tour and would have DIED if they played this.
What a band!!
@Tecumseh1812 That's a pity that he had to die to get people to quit bashing him for not sounding like another dead guy. Jimmy and Robert didn't call any of their projects together in the 90's Led Zeppelin they called it what it was Page and Plant. Michael Lee was a damn fine drummer btw.
I was in the crowd with 2 of my cousins. One, Terry Harris, introduced me to Zeppelin. I remember trying to wake him up because he had a few beers already and had passed out. I knew he wouldn't want to miss this song. Now to know they on played it one other time. This song is the only memory I have of the concert now.
brilliant and legendary musical genius
I love all the old school moves Page and Plant make during the song, and Jimmy and Percy absolutely kick ass here.
Jimmy Page is rocks best guitarist ever...
Led Zeppelins most intense song!
This is a great video. Great to see Robert singing this after so many years. I saw them a few days after in Knoxville. I remember being in line to get a beer and the guy next to me had heard they were playing this song, so I was pretty excited. Unfortunately, those of us in Knoxville never heard it. Still a great concert. Although I thought their sound system could have been better for this particular tour. Hard to believe that was 18 years ago. And it was such a big deal! Very special tour.
>>I thought their sound system could have been better for this particular tour. Hard to believe that was 18 years ago.
When Bonham passed away, there was a piece of the puzzle missing, but when they found Michael Lee, the puzzle is now complete .👍❤
To bad he as passed away ❤️
A golden heart stopped beating. Hard-working hands at rest. God broke our hearts to prove to us, he only takes the best.
Thank you Michael Lee for your time and dedication that you put into Page & Plant to bring out that Zeppelin sound.. Not just I love you, but WE all love you..Rest In Peace ..🫶🙏❤️
Dumbest comment I've ever read on social media
Couldn't have said it better myself. He was extremely energetic, which was good to see for Page and Plant.
Thanks so much for this! 'Til now, I'd only seen/heard one live version of this song. Awesome!
If this drummer is good enough for Robert Plant and Jimmy Page,, he is good enough for me,, aside from the 90’s snare sound he is spot on,, perfect live tempo, no flucating,, lots of power in just forearm wrist snaps
Correction. Lee was good enough for Plant. In his solo work, Planty doesn't have the highest standards. Page showed up because Plant did. Understand how these things work with those two. Jimmy would've worked with ANYONE if Robert would agree to play with him at that time. FACT.
@@zoso1980 You have no idea what you are talking about First off, Plant recommended Bozo to Jimmy. Plant used 4 different drummers on his first 3 albums. Phil Collins, Cozy Powell, Barriemore Barlow, and Richie Hayward. I think anybody who knows anything about drummers, and sees who Robert had play on his albums, and then reads what you have written about Plant's low standards when picking drummers, will easily conclude you are full of shit.
@@zoso1980 FACT: Jimmy played a live show at Giant Stadium without Robert in 1999...Net Aid. Yeah, you guessed right, he chose the highly talented Michael Lee as his drummer. "Understand how things work with these two." They play with only highly talented, highly professional players. Despite the nonsensical musings of the peanut gallery.
@@zoso1980 Oh, so, Phill Collins and Cozy Powell aren't high standard enough for you? LOL
finally someone admits his snare sound- gosh, i liked Michael Lee but he absolutely butchers all the Zep tunes and no one calls him on this. His work is good but he isnt the right fit for Zep tunes at all
Micheal Lee is incredible on this song....He did master and transfigure, with his drumming . I love his drumming on this song. He is missed.
He also disgraced, tone deafed and missed the whole nuance of many pieces. The guy isn't a great drummer, no matter what you think. He was a disgrace in The Cult too, in '92. Couldn't get the feel right and shat on the songs. He was no master, he was couldn't replicate styles and compliment numbers. Instead, he changed their vibes because he couldn't replicate what he was trying master the original feel. Transfigure? More like incapable of playing from a diverse vibe and feel. The guy played hard but was one dimensional. I've always called him a spastic monkey. That's the truth. He is no drumming Syd Barrett. Approaching Bonham's stuff with a marching drum snare and two tiny cymbals was laughable and was a extreme form of tone-deafness, or worse, disrespect. Then there was his lack of being able even get anywhere near Bonham's swing, so he did in his usual one dimensional style tried and ended up with something that sounded and felt off. Watching him play 10 Years Gone was embarrassing. He couldn't reel it in and play sensitively to compliment the song. Crash and bash spastic monkey with a very narrow range - that's who Micheal Lee was a player. #facts.
I don't know why they only played it twice. The drumming is brillant, Page and Plant transcend. This video is GREAT!
The drumming is BAD, the kit choices are bad, and the vibe is wrong. Brilliant? Not even close. An amateur trying to play the material of a great and looking foolish trying do it.
Thanks Jimmy
Michael Lee on drums.
Os melhores músicos de todos os tempos. Robert plant & jimmy Page ,são os deuses absolutos do hard rock e heavy metal, uma banda super original
Sensational! Achilles Last Stand after 1980, it`s amazing! My favourite Zepp`s song... Thanks!!! I`d love to have a bootleg of this show...
This is the song that dad thought I was on drugs, but mom ( the school teacher) thought it was poetic.
Jimmy page wow and robert plant still sounds good amazing
It was refreshing to see Michael Lee play. I saw Page & Plant both times they toured - the second time was from the 3rd row :)
Incredible. I was fortunate enough to see Page and Plant on this tour, in Milwaukee, WI. It was like I was seeing Led Zeppelin. Best concert I've ever been to.
Missed this show but was lucky enough to have seen John and the crew on his birthday at Greensboro Coliseum NC May 31st 1977...we all sang Happy Birthday to him. NEVER FORGET IT. THEY WERE VERY LATE ARRIVING ,LOL.
That bootleg was called Bonzos Birthday
bloody fantastic stuff
The drummer Michael Lee (RIP) kicks ass on this. So much groove. So much rhythm.
GOOSEBUMPS BABY!! Can't you just see and almost touch the Viking warriors as they sail across the North Sea to find a new homeland and engage in the glories of war? Epic, epic, epic. Neither Eric Clapton, nor Jeff Beck, as much as I love them both, could ever right a song of this magnitude!
fn aweaome
Who else recognized a hint of part of this song, a foreshadowing, if you will, right before “if you’re going to California” during Dazed on the live SRTS album?
Michael Lee is fabulous here and in other vids I've seen, him with Page and Plant. What's very apparent is the incredible energy he put forth and the pure joy on his face as he played these epic tunes with such HEART! Powerful indeed...I'd have loved to try and fill those shoes, even for a moment! I think Lee would be proud to have lived such a full life (tho very short) to have such opportunity. May he and dear John Bonham rest in peace.
Sounds really good with dual lead guitar. You get more of the feel of the studio album version of Achilles.
They came to San Diego back in the 90`s at Cox arena . When we got there it was soldout so we had to jump the rod iron fence after me and my buddy had downed a case of beer. The next day I noticed a tear on the inside thigh area of my jeans I have a scar on my thigh a scar I carry with pride ! They rocked !
Perfeição.
That was great !
My favorite performance is 1979 knebworth show!! Awesome with the greatest drummer John Bonham
Days went by when you and I
Made an eternal summers glow
As far away and distant
Our mutual time to grow
Oh the sweet refrain
Soothes the soul and calms the pain
Oh Albion remains
Sleeping Now To Rise Again
This song is one of the most ultimate rock songs ever made in my opinion. Zeppelin was great.
achiles last stand,najlesie zahrana skladba od cias led zeppelin.tak tiez michael lee je fantastickyjimmy page je super,robert to tiez zvlada hlasovo,je to silna dinamicka skladba,cely album presence je fantasticky.chyba mi tam john paul jones.skoda.
Amazing! Simply amazing!
In my opinion, this is Zeppelin's best song.
It is not an opinion, rather a fact. It is also the best rock song....ever.
È bella e trascinante ma non come Kashmir però. Io la preferisco 🤷
You know what this song is missing... Jones' 8 string Alembic...
And John Bonham's drumming !
It sure as fuck has Jimmy's drinking though.
Michael Lee did an exceptional job tho. Its not easy filling Bonhams shoes.
JohnBindon Any assclown can drum for a band ,Go ask Ringo Star!!! Bonzo???? Yawn Zzzzzzz.
Myrna Swanson
clearly you don't know how good bonzo was
I was there !! Awesome upload , thank you 🎸❤️
i think this one of the best live performances of this song!
There's more parts in this song than a freakin encyclopedia. I'm surprised they didn't have a conductor to lead them through it! And Page actually is playing pretty damn good here...
I was There! This was the highlight of the show for me.
This is one of the best versions I've heard!
You all got that right!!! GOAT !!!