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Ancient Quarry Mountain excavated by prehistoric machines or hand tools?
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Is Mount Nokogiri the epitome of centuries of hard and precise human labor, or is there much more to its creation?
Countless layers of quarry markings can be seen from the summit of the mountain, on the striking tall cliffs and down to the bottom of the hills, as if the same technique had not changed for hundreds of years. Upon close inspection, the evenly spaced, parallel slanted tool marks are quite uniformed and accurate. Such fine markings cover all the quarried cliffs. Were these regular markings excavated solely by hand tools? What an incredible feat! Did this come from the hard work of generations of stone masons using chisels, hammers and pickaxes, or was the site excavated by ancient high-tech tools from a lost, prehistoric civilization? After doing my research, I realize that both possibilities exist. So, in this video, I'll play the devil's advocate by presenting my reasonings on both sides and let you be the judge.
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Im an engineer studying and reproducing ancient technologies, As a hobby I am a Lapidary ( I cut and mine precious stones) its a way for us to test technologies. One thing thats for sure is these are two different technologies used to quarry those blocks. Theres no way they are from anywhere close to the same time period. One shows randomness and crude tools, the other shows precision cuts which means they were using precision tools. Why people are so narrow minded to think we are the first ones to have any kind of high technologies shows you how arrogant and close minded scientific institutions have become. Ignore them, they arent interested in finding the truth but rather upholding a false narrative which has done NOTHING but enrich a few while holding our entire race down in the mud. However we live in the time of the great awakening which has started and thankfully these false narratives are finally being realized as just that LIES.
Thank you very much for sharing your professional insight - much appreciated. I agree with you on the possibility of previous advanced civilizations, and I made multiple videos on this topic. Hope you will find them interesting.
Well said!!!
Great post.
Here, here brother.
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what really impressed me was the scallop walls and then adding 45 degree cross cuts
Yes they are truly impressive.
If those quarry marks are cut by a machine:
1. It is staggering to imagine how much of the mountain has been removed that is missing now.
2. The excavators may or may not have been cutting out blocks, what if they were instead using the shavings/rubble to possibly make massive geopolymer stones elsewhere.
Or maybe the cut blocks were exported to regions far from where the stone was cut...
Approximately between 13,000 years ago and 12,000 years ago, there were two events that caused massive sea level rises, totaling 430 feet of sea rise all over the world. Much of the world's coastal regions were buried under the sea in that period.
Today, archaeologists are finding ancient artificial structures, including sections of cities and towns under the coastal waters all over the world. Of the coast of Okinawa, off the coast of Italy, off the coast of India, and many other regions around the world have artificially made stone structures in the deep water, just off the coast. Even off the Eastern coast of the U.S., Bimini Road is suspected of being an artificial structure.
It is possible that some of that stone, in that ancient Japanese quarry was used in building projects that are now under water off the coast of Japan.
@@direbearcoat7551 Interesting, considering this quarry is near the coast and would be down hill to move any large cut stones. I guess someone needs to search under water near this area to look for a site.
Yes. Some of the straight line excavation looks like Yonaguni I thought.
Exactly, i wonder where all these blocks have ended up, unless they have all been grinded up for geopolymers.
I thought the same. Looks like the mountain was ground into a material to be used in some sort of casting metode. Like the stones of Sacsayhuaman. Does Japan have any remains of walls build with Polygonal blocks?
There's no way that Mt. Nokogiri was quarried without some ancient technology that was superior to ours. It is as clear as a sunny day. Thank you for your video.
This channel should blow up. Its very entertaining as well as informative. Thank you🙏
Hope so! Thank you for the support :-)
You mean misinformative.
I found it hard to do when mentioning this channel on other channels, they delete the comment. Not good. But I share elsewhere....
@@angryhairpeice enlighten us, please.
There are people that don't like this type of information getting out. Some of them will mock you and poke fun. But you are on the right track and expand your mind, there's so much out there yet that hasn't been destroyed by evil people...@PeaceMarauder
The internal angles at 90 degree are impressive. Machine processing 100%.
Very impressive, to the point that even with the modern machines it would be very very difficult to cut out a perfect cube with 90 degree sides from cliff face without leaving overcuts from, let's say, a circular blade. Even with the wood it is difficult let a lone with stone.
@@dimdim3490 It's actually impossible. You can't make a 90/90/90 internal corner using any known technology without making overcuts. You can make it LOOK like that if you use circular blades, break the piece off leaving the corner, and then use machining to abrade the remaining corner material.
This was the only channel that presented clear facts....Good work.
Thank you😊
No record was found for any of the many quarries across the world with the same kind of marks. Isn't it amazing?
I agree :-) Thanks my friend.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
I recommend C. Dunn books on technology and engineering in Ancient Egypt, the last one is really eye opening.
Thank you. I made a series of videos on my thoughts on the Egyptian pyramids and Dunn's power plant proposal. Here is the list - hope you will find them interesting:
1. The Underground Complex: the Giza Osiris Shaft Created by a Lost Advanced Civilization? th-cam.com/video/GloDq_h7yLg/w-d-xo.html
2. The Osiris Shaft: Part of a Prehistory Mine from a Lost Civilization? th-cam.com/video/JuGt7JEWT6E/w-d-xo.html
3. The Great Pyramid was Not a Power Plant but perhaps Something Totally Unexpected th-cam.com/video/ztkWo8g49S8/w-d-xo.html
4. A Provocative Theory: Giza Pyramids as a Lost Civilization's Mining Waste Storage Site? th-cam.com/video/tFzd2z0Rr1U/w-d-xo.html
5. Great Pyramid: Let's Double Check the Mathematics & Star Alignment Claims th-cam.com/video/nPswBtmQKD8/w-d-xo.html
6. Prehistoric Mining: What was Mined on the Giza Plateau? th-cam.com/video/y6ShuJdzDS0/w-d-xo.html
7. The True Purpose of the Great Pyramid's Interior System?! th-cam.com/video/BYr6HbEjS7w/w-d-xo.html
8. The Secret Enigma of the Egyptian Pyramids’ Interior th-cam.com/video/hxWEWUsvcS4/w-d-xo.html
9. Egyptian Pyramids Reveal Acid Mine Drainage Stains? th-cam.com/video/-QyIJ-w-8vc/w-d-xo.html
10. Egyptian Pyramids & the Impact of a Green vs Desert Sahara th-cam.com/video/8CVetiox04c/w-d-xo.html
11. Great Sphinx: Buried Secret Exposed th-cam.com/video/0YoM4W5W0pg/w-d-xo.html
12. Questioning the Luminescence Dating Result of the Giza Pyramid th-cam.com/video/gFBC8DJ5mZ0/w-d-xo.html
@@CuriousBeingbyTina Thorough work, I'll go over these videos sequentially.
Thank you for "picking " away at this. Work like this will, in time, force the scientific community to get honest about our past.
To me it’s absolutely obvious that it’s a pre flood civilization due the simple fact that those exact machine marks is ubiquitous all over the planet. Fascinating!
Look very similar to the langyou cave in China.
No, this is not any type of "pre-flood" whatever...This quarry is in Japan, as are the boulder quarries Tina has also shared int he video, and if you speak and read basic Japanese you can find all the documentation about it. This has been a quarry area for over 500 years and that region of Japan has had functional and structured cultures for over 5000 which is pretty well understood mostly because the Japanese keep excellent records both written and within their oral traditions...
@@JayCWhiteCloudThere is tonnes off megaliths in Japan that are not in any records and just because an area has been quarried for a long time that doesn't mean that the quarry site itself may be even older and used before it was turned too a quarry...the original inhabitants off Japan are the Ainu which were a clear mongrol bunch off peoples from euro too slavic too Asian too Indian features and a mix off them all they all looked completely different if you Google ainu you will see how varied they were some 6 foot pure euro looking some half n half some look pure Indian or slavic and these people are the oldest inhabitants before modern Japanese and even they have stated the megaliths were there before them
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So in in vulgar English no surviving culture claims some of the oldest masonry. That's not too surprising just staying within the logical limits of what could have happened with no assumptions.
Also saying "mongrol" in refrence to natives like that makes you sound like you're a british brigadier from 1790.
The Ainu arrived after a few other people had come and gone from japan, including some ancestors of the native americans.
The stone could have been broken away from using fire and water to crack the rock, wood and cordage could do the rest, and there's other examples of simple tech being used in more advanced ways than we can imagine today.
It fascinates me too but it's obvious to me that after seeing all hard work done by machines you understandably can't imagine how its done without trying to use what you know. Everyone's mind is limited somehow, and it's not the same as seeing evidence for advanced technology. It's also a survival oriented feature of our brain to try to fit preconceived ideas to new situations. That doesn't mean that stone and wood can't be used in more advanced ways than what's common today. Advancement and intelligence in one area does not necessary translate to another area easily, and advanced does not mean it's industrialized and futuristic by our definition, just well worked out. There's stories from many continents of ancient people using precise mixtures of plants to produce something that could dissolve rock, which is entirely possible considering how plants contain thousands of molecules meant to carry and break down stuff. On top of that we barely can figure out how molecules we know can behave, much less thousands or millions of bits of living chemical machinery interacting.
Until we actually see a study on how the rock was effected on a chemical and structural level we have no idea what happened.
Great work, Tina. I really like your new picture on the wall too. X
Saul Steinberg
Thank you :-)
Tina sharpened the pencil to a nub :P
You have done some serious research here!
And I liked it so much, looking at all those ancient pictures and following your remarks on this topic, which need to be answered.
As supposed earlier, machined walls very much look like the walls in Mt. Nokogiri.
And we also know that machines very likely make use of the rotary action of the sharp tools.
This means most probably (except for the tread saws used for marble) it made use of a drum shape or circular blade shape.
Looking at an image in your video (13:56) we can see the feed-progression in different directions, and what is most important to us, the corners where they must end.
The drum shaped tool must leave a rounded corner, as the circular shaped tool leaves an 'overcut' in the adjacent wall.
In the most left part of the image, we see this corner from the wall and the ceiling, but to me it is not clear an 'overcut' as it isn't sharp enough.
However, in the right-hand corner of the image, we find the feed-progression nearly vertical (upper part of the wall), and it moves by an 'overcut' into the wall, to create another slab of stone.
This is the thing we like to see clearly, as it shows the method used by them.
Maybe the original footage is more clear about this??
Thanks again for the post. :-)
Excellent. Ive owned a stone fabrication business. Ive been studying this topic nearly 40 years.
Really appreciate your efforts and analysis on this subject.
Subbed.
A world map with a legend identifying the hewn stones and there correlations would be an excellent visual aid.
Nubs and where.
Machine marks where.
Circular marks
Straight cut
Tube, core, drill holes
Slump patterns
Polygonal
Etc...
I would love to help you do that if interested.
Let me know.
Great work thank you.
Michael
Hey Michael...Nice comment, I shared some details about the quarry in my comment here you may find of interest...If you ever get a chance to visit this quarry, its worth the trip...
Thank you Michael. I appreciate it! I think this site has marked many ancient (not all megalithic) sites on maps: www.megalithic.co.uk/index.php
Btw you can reach me at curiousbeingtina@yahoo.com
I would love to get your professional opinion on stone masonry and fabrication :-)
This was very interesting and I really enjoyed it . Ancient stone quarry’s are so interesting and sometimes unbelievable that such amazing stone work was achieved . I believe some sort of LOST ancient technology is fairly obvious all over the world many many things have been built that we couldn’t even do today . So fun and interest to dissect and study thank you Tina
Anyone who has spent five minutes in a working quarry could tell these elite scientists that these were machined.
And we know they transported them on flying trucks because there were no roads.
@@angryhairpeice well how do you explain uniform cuts in great lengths that look like machine marks? Are you a stone mason? Do you work with rocks and drilling? My stepdad works in rock quarries and these look like the marks our machines make today. How did they get those 90 degree angles with hand tools? And so high up? We’re they hanging off the mountains chipping away?
@@fun-with-purpose1436 Would you hang on the side of a slab you are cutting off? No. They were standing on the ground 20' from the edge. Cut down, then break of the piece, and let it fall and smash into usable sized pieces at the bottom.
@@fun-with-purpose1436 Do you think they were standing on flying trucks, and using laser beams to cut the rock? Every civilization has left archeological sights behind. Why is there no sign of these flying trucks (we know their trucks flew because there were no roads) just people smashing bigger rocks with smaller ones and dragging them across the ground, or floated them down rivers.
@@fun-with-purpose1436 you could literally see the pick marks. the "scoop" marks around them are likely just marking the sections the fire weakened. You heat the stone with fire, then pour cold water on it, then pick at the weakened section...repeat. when you have gone down enough, you place expandable material in the trench, swell the material and pry off the freed stone (if it doesn't fall on its own).
Machines would make long uniformed lines, not small sections with short lines in them. The latter is what you'd expect to see if it were done by primitive hand tools.
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...😂 yup, she really is gorgeous.
Can't say that here tho. Compliment a woman on her beauty = "simp" apparently.
You're only supposed to comment on her intellectual prowess. Telling her she's h.a.f 🔥 is looked down upon.
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I feel s-o repelled by AI voice and figures. Here I am making efforts to be flexible, as I understand that the content creator, being Japanese, may find it difficult to present it himself/herself.
Thanks for all the work that you put into this video, Tina.
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Welcome! Thank you for the support. Hope you will enjoy my other videos too :-)
For sure !! , ALL your work is excellent , thanks for all you do .
Full rational investigation as a ground to jump beyond short and ordinary historical explanations. Thank you for this so beautiful work.
So glad that you liked it. Thank you very much for the support :-)
Machine for sure, thanks for the video x
It looks just like machine marks to me.
It would be enjoyable to explore that quarry site.
I wish there were more untouched places to explore to look for clues.
This kind of stuff could be made by hand using fire and cold quenches to crack the rock locally, or something mixed with water to weaken the stone at the cutting area. You can carve through a piece of glass with just a soldering iron.
The cut faces are uneven, and it doesn't take a machine to do that. Ropes, pulleys, and abrasion can do a lot of this, and we've been working with wood and cordage for over a million years.
Looks can often be deceiving, and looking at traces it's near impossible to know what did it at a glance and with no real knowledge of the situation. Something wildly different from what you assume could have happened, and you gotta consider the possibility that you're wrong, or you may never find out if you are. Anyone can be equally as wrong, and you are no better at knowing the unknown than anyone else.
Modern stuff makes things look harder because you know you aren't as capable as those machines unaided, but they are just there for safety and speed. They don't need to go that fast for any reason other than preference and a paycheck, and modern people who've mostly seen us rely on complex technology their whole lives can't easily imagine how ancient people could have done something without something more advanced by their definition. You are wondering how it was done, and can't imagine how its done without your own mind using what it knows, but that is limited in everyone's mind, and it's not the same as seeing evidence for advanced technology. That doesn't mean it cant be more advanced in some ways than modern knowledge. Advancement and intelligence in one area does not necessary translate to another area easily, and advanced does not mean it's industrialized and futuristic by our definition, just well worked out. The Japanese traditionally, and because of world war 2 can construct a more sturdy and longer lasting house than american construction companies do, with no use of metal, and a guy in Florida built structures with massive stone blocks using just his hands and some carpentry. Now efficiency is not the main limiting factor, but its different when you are limited by the calories you can process and put out before exhaustion. When you have a group of people with time to figure something out they will figure it out, but they may also find another and less intensive way that you couldn't think of. I believe everything before modern technology was done by hand, since anything resembling modern technology would be noticeable to more than conspiracy theorists, and there would be chemical traces in sediment everywhere of processes like ours, if they were industrialized like us.
@@thetobyntr9540 thank you for this. :)
Thank you so very much for sharing this with us. So captivating!
Glad you enjoyed it! Hope you will check out my other videos too :-)
Never seen or heard anything about this place before! Thank you so much for this!
My pleasure 😊 Hope you enjoy my other videos too!
I am subscribed to so many megalith and lost technology channels and you've come out of nowhere all of a sudden. This is incredibly well made and I see another 85 videos! 25k subscribers.... It's as baffling as moving 500 ton blocks with hemp ropes and sleds 😆I see great growth for this channel ahead.
Welcome aboard! Hope you will enjoy my other videos too. I guess the algorism isn't very kind to me. Thank you for the encouragement :-)
It would be very interesting to see if those uniform cut marks also appear in places where there just isnt enough space to even swing a pickaxe like right below a 90° overhang or in very narrow and deep trenches. That would clearly show that they cannot be the result of work with pickaxes.. also there seem to be the exact same toolmarks on those overhangs as i can judge from the pictures, a place that would be very hard to work with pickaxes specially considering the uniform shape of those marks, would be very hard to swing a pickaxe in that manner to create such even marks on a surface right above the workers head!
Nice video btw, this site was entirely new to me. Keep up the good work, much appreciated!
You Can look the unfinished obelisk
@@fernandomoreno475 yes the unfinished obelisk is a good example where the proposed technique of pounding stones really doesnt add up when you look at the narrow space below it where there is no space at all to swing such a pounding stone!
@@xXherbal1stXx it's really a denial from the so called archeologists and a total absurdity, if it was not that ridiculous i would say it's an insult to human intelligence. Cheers
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This research is very good, and creates a dilemma of who was responsible. I believe from historical research that there was a high level culture in Japan and throughout the globe that was superior to anything we have now, and had better tools than current stonecutters do, and thus in ancient times were able to do this high quality work. Problem is : did this highly advanced culture get removed from history? I bet yes. You present your information very well, and it points out great inconsistencies. Keep up the great work!
I always enjoy getting notifications of your new videos. You do very detailed research and well - thought through hypothesis.
Glad you like them :-) Thank you for the support.
It’s also interesting how humans quarry, pickaxe, chisel across the globe in similar manners. Humanity always seems to share its technological advancements, world wide, since ancient times to this day.
As always great content, smooth delivery, in depth and on point.
You rock Curious Being.
This is a great channel! Thank you for the new perspective on these ancient sites. Keep up the good work 🙏🏼🙌🏼🙏🏼
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Another facinating topic covered by Tina! Thanks 💙
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you Cathy 💙
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Being curious is great! It shouldn't be seen as a threat. Unless someone is hiding something..... It should be encouraged in fact. The fact that you are still open minded too is encouraging. We don't know what we don't know.
What an amazing place. One way or another, someone has put a lot of work into it. Thanks for sharing it. XXX
great stuff Tina! Good info, good arguments, and looking good. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Will do! :-)
Good work, Curious Being! Thanks for sharing.
Great video, well researched and entertaining, i find the length of the cuts and how level they are, staggering, it looks like the work was done by 1 machine. The fact that the machine that did this worked from top to bottom suggests advanced technologies, to get a machine and crew and a work site with a heavy duty road network to transport the product off site via more machines is a massive undertaking, it would be interesting to see the ground around the workface of the quarry, this also might have been done by a massive gantry or beefed up crane like platform or by aerial drone like platform, either way it is absolutely fascinating.
This is an interesting episode. Thank you.
Excellent vid Tina! Wow. Great photos. I usually pick up photos from VLAD 9vt but these are really good!
Awesome presentation! I hope you keep making videos, they are very interesting to watch.
Thank you, I will :-)
fascinating video... the mystery is even more compelling when considering these exact tool marks can be found at longyou caves and other sites hundreds of miles away (as you've discussed in previous videos!)... thanks so much for sharing!!
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@@CuriousBeingbyTina I'm actually curious if you think the human-labor hypothesis is still tenable when considering the intercontinental linkages between these same tool marks in Japan, China, middle east and elsewhere? Deep gratitude again for your work
You keep finding some of the most impressive places out there Tina. Amazing work as always!
We might not know the answers, but I hate that the absence of an answer is "not allowed".
In any case, I'd like to see them using a pickaxe on the ceilings like we see on Mt. Nokogiri at times.
Seriously, this place looks like a modern art museum, not to say the home of an eccentric rich person in a scyfy movie, shaping a mountain and all that.
The cut and saw marks are very, very intresting but the size and scale is absolutely astonishing.
My take is that unfortunately we will probably never know.
your research is always top quality
Thank you :-)
Excellent presentation.... subscribed 👍
Thanks and welcome 😊
I've been intrigued about this mountain for a few years now, I'm happy someone is finally talking about it, big ups keep it up girl !
Thank you! Hope you will enjoy my other videos too :-)
As always, You make wonderful and interesting videos! Thank You!
Thank you! :-)
The only historian I know that makes fun of this type of work is David Miano. I don't see how him and I literally see this differently. But I still wish him the best, even if I feel he is close minded.
Thanks for this video. I have seen many ancient sites that have complex techniques suggesting powerful tools. This adds onto the hypothesis.
I Love your content and videos. Very informative😊
this is incredible. i can't believe i've never heard of mount nokogiri before. i'd love to hear more about it.
Amazing site! Thx for sharing this.
Incredible. Thank you so much for sharing your findings. I can't believe this is the first I'm seeing this quarry. Keep up the good work!
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Can't believe after a year deep into mud flood and tartaria research in youtube that your channel finally appear on my search. Not only that, but your no nonsense, direct and detailed reasoning was what I was looking for. Thanks a lot!
I think I know enough that we are being lied to and we cannot continue as an honest society. It is the most important reason why we are here. Take care and be careful as its clear there is a "they" and "us" people in this world and the outer realms.
Welcome aboard! Hope you like my other videos on related topics!
@@CuriousBeingbyTina I've watched a few and am happy that certain questions I was looking for were well discussed with good visual examples. Will thrall thru the rest of your videos. thanks a lot!
A year bro? Have you ever thought about actually going out and being a productive part of society instead of going on year long witch hunts into what can only be described as borderline occult.
Nice video Tina. It definitely looks like the quarry markings at Mt. Nokogiri were done with powered machinery. You've shown these same markings in many places over the globe. It seems to indicate there was an advanced global civilization thousands of years ago. I wonder how many times civilization and mankind has been wiped out over the eons. The more advanced the civilization, the more dependent they are on technology. When a civilization industrializes, it goes from 97% of the people working in farming and ranching to 3%. If a global disaster occurs, like a solar flare, they would lose their ability to produce power and food. It's likely that the vast majority of humanity would be dead in a matter of just a few months. Only the most primative societies would survive.
Tina, do you think a scenario like this happened to cause the Younger Dryas? There is a theory that pillar 43, the "Prophecy Pillar" at Gobecli Tepe, shows the star map of 13,000 years ago and depicts comet strikes, possibly from the Taurid meteor stream. Makes you wonder how many times we've been wiped out from this same meteor stream we pass through every year.
Interesting video Tina! I plan to visit Japan next year. I'll add Mt. Nokogiri to my itinerary.
Ken S.
Actually if there was a big solar storm time it would probably be better than farming did not depend on the majority as if they were tired and unable to work then it's probably better its able to be managed by few than depending on the ability of the many.
New sub keep up the great work
Scoop marks and the machine marks are all over the world
It’s mind blowing
Thank you and welcome! Btw hope you will enjoy my videos on the lesser known megalithic sites with machine marks in Asia :-) th-cam.com/play/PL92SXkFO15Cyy2_UEApzB0ghgR5fcDOsT.html
Tq tina for the magnificent content.
What a great video, you explain things extremely well.
Thank you!😊 Hope you will enjoy my other videos too.
@@CuriousBeingbyTina , you have added a new subscriber, so yes, yes, yes.
Great job! Thank you
Good on you Tina another thought provoking video, yes im also convinced that some of these quarries date from an earlier time that we know nothing about. Its amazing the difference having a world wide web has made to making us aware of these previously ignored or misinterpreted sites . Thanks again , looking forward to more interesting videos from you.
Thank you for the support :-) I appreciate it.
Curiously, to my knowledge, I have never heard of anything in Japan suggesting that the rock wall patterns may have been caused by excavating equipment. Thanks to your video I was able to know! Undoubtedly, in my opinion, these are the remains of machine excavating! Incidentally, I live in the prefecture where that quarry is located. Thanks and keep up the good work! 😉
Validaiton first, as I have confused a few people here with my comment, I work in this profession...No, these are not "machine marks" except in the part of the quarry still operating after 1930. This has been an active "traditional quarry" for over 500 years and these are "hand tool" marks. I have made plenty of them over the decades...
@@JayCWhiteCloud Yes. Thanks! 😉👍
An excellent one, Tina!
Thank you kindly!
Very good analysis and way of display the facts. Is incredible the level of skill shown in the quarry. Sometimes I think if they will have some type of rod tie to a counter balance that always will repeat the same motion until exactly certain depth. Like the counter balance machines use for irrigation around the river Nile. Please keep the subject of stone cutting in other world sites. I enjoy the video so much. Good job.
Thank you - I appreciate your support.
Great subject that others are afraid to tackle.it should be easy to figure out.Well done! Thanks
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多谢观看和支持 😊
Best discussion of these marks I’ve seen. What really impresses is your energy, diligence and logic in such discussions.
I’m no stone mason. But I’ve seen a few in action. I simply have to think that those most regular examples were made by some sort of machine.
Our modern stone cutting machines all use bits tipped with tungsten carbide. Cheaper, almost as hard as, and less frangible than diamond.
One study was recently conducted in a quarry on the upper Nile. Dust from the crevices in the quarry Wes collected, digested in aqua Regia and the resultant solution subjected to flame gas chromatography. This has yielded tungsten levels in the stone dust several hundred times the level found in the same uncut stone of the site. Suggestive that tungsten carbide tooling may have been at play 3500 years ago when that quarry was last used. Suggestive. Not proof positive. Further investigation is anticipated to seek actual flakes spalled off the suspected tooling. As always money delays.
Also. Tungsten carbide, if that is the source of the tungsten, does not lend itself to hand impact tools like pick axes. Rather it is best pressed into and across a surface to be cut by deliberate mechanical force.
So. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s probably a duck. That’s the Duck Test.
We have marks that look like machine tool marks. With residue of machine tool types of waste. We just don’t know exactly what it looked like. Close to the duck test, but no cigar. Yet.
Personally, I’m easy. I think machines of some did that.
Fox out
Thank you very much, Fox! So glad that you enjoyed this video. Love the information you offered - I need to do some reading on it! As always, a delight to read your insightful comments. ♥
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Two points here in addition.
We two are connected by Patreon. I have three others so.
Recently Apple updated the iPhone operating system and Patreon responded by updating their app. The result was a big mess in the direct message function between patrons and creators. You and I go weeks or months between chats. I intuitively your busy. One of my creators and I chat daily. We had a week long time-out compliments of Patreon.
So. You might test your DM function with some patrons.
Secondly. “Reading” will be difficult. I’m a fox. I go down rabbit holes. All sorts. I came across this in a paper on chemical analysis. Can’t remember now exactly which publication. But it had nothing to do with archeology and all to do with MS-GC technology. Ya. I’m weird.
I don’t think the archeological implications of this analysis have been published in any archeological sources. It’s was not definitive and its implications would rock the professional boat. That’s one function of “peer review”. Keep uncomfortable facts out of print.
Clearly you’re comfortable asking such questions. I’m comfortable contemplating same. But many in the field are not. Little copper chisels did it all. End of story. So you may have to really dig to find anything to read.
Enjoyed seeing you again!
Fox out
@@vulpesvulpes5177 Thanks Fox. I'll try my DM on Patreon. Will see if I can find the paper about the quarry at Upper Nile. My initial search was not successful. I'll keep digging 🙂 Have a good evening, Fox!
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Ok. Chat some time.
I’m thinking that paper was in the proceedings of analytical chemistry. About three years ago. I read stuff and remember the take away. But I’m not too focused on the source unless I’m doing a literature review for publication. And I’ve not published anything in ….well a fox age!
I’ll see if I can track it down. I still read paper stuff. And not all paper makes it into the internet. Which seems to be the go to source these days.
So. For example I’m looking for a paper from 66 or 68. Somewhere in there. It was a study of baboon troops in Africa with an eye to troop dynamics. One conclusion of that study was that there appeared to be an “altruistic male gene” in play. This in the pre-dna days of descriptive genetics. That’s how they described the behavior of adult male baboons willing to face a leopard or other baboons to protect the females and young in their band.
I’m having a chat… ok debate… on the general subject of altruism. I’d hoped to find that study and see if it’s been updated with any genome work. I found my notes in a college course notebook. So I’m not senile, yet. But I can’t locate the paper for live or money. Because I did not write down the citation! I apparently have not learned that lesson in 70 years!
Fox out
Very, very cool..
As always 🫠🫶🫠
❤❤❤ another amazing posting. I vote for machine.
Thank you Derek! I appreciate your feedback ❤
as always, top notch analysis
Thank you :-)
I just finished a trip from Malta, Gozo, Sicily and Sardinia to see the megalithic sites there. Well worth a look see
Noko Giri. not Jiri
Great place to explore in Chiba.
Very interesting enigma! Fascinating...
Mindblowing revelations.
Brilliantly researched and well presented.
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it :-) Thank you for watching!
We're all getting stoned! But we rock on! Another great vid ;)
Thank you :-)
A sacred place exquisitely dressed long before by hand on bamboo scaffolding. Machinery requirements are too intense. Infrastructure,energy etc
Respect for the ancestors
Thanks for sharing your insights Tina and cogent explanations
If they are hand dressing for sacred reasons, still needs massive infrastructure to support hand tool workers. Also there is no icons or inscriptions or symbolism so personally I doubt it being a scared monument but who knows 🤷
Those Norwegian pick marks seen at the 18 minute point are very similar to the circles you see at the cave of Hercules in Morocco where I visited in February. I have already decided that the circles in the walls were created by large circular drills that have a core left inside them similar to that which is left in a doorknob drill but at a larger scale. You can see these stone plugs stacked up outside the cave there. Regarding the machining in Japan I think this is a very interesting video. Thank you for your research and thank you for introducing this quarry to me which I've never seen before.
Keep up your good work.
Thanks, will do!
Hey Tina
These videos along with the pyramids have been my favorites from you .
Ancient Lost Technology is my bet, possibly an ancient race, now wiped from existence , but definitely lost tech. Makes me want to check out these sites in Japan in person.
Thanks again for your efforts and work! Very 😎cool !!
AwesomeBeing is more apt
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Glad to hear that, Jeff. Thank you very much for the support!
Totally agree with comments below
Your usual very well researched work
Well done again
Andrew
Thank you for the support, Andrew. I appreciate that.
Very nice one!
Excellent research Tina! I've noticed several of the parallel line weren't in line with the rest, which made me wonder how that would occur if it was done by a machine. I appreciate your approach viewing it from both perspectives! It's a mystery no matter how it's sliced. Thank you again!
Those are obviously machine-cut, exact same tool marks as used in Baalbek in Lebanon and Yangshan Quarry in China. Absolutely impossible with hand tools.
Hello. Here I was, wondering why there wouldn't be any interesting megalithical site in Japan ... and boom ! your video goes out.
This site is absolutely incredible. Your comments are very valuable too, with quite a bit of research ( since you are not paid to do it, right ? ). I know that because I make videos on youtube too, so I kind of understand the struggle.
It was really informative content, so thank you very much.
Now, I want to go to Chiba and see this for myself.
Matthieu
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thankyou, really gets your imagination working.
I saw someone had made a video on this place that I watched a few days ago. They showed these caves there that were made the same way, by the looks, but the floor was shiny flat, that looked amazing, and part of the same complex. They didn't explain how construction was done, like you of course. Thankyou your explanation and coverage was helpful.
Interesting video and clearly well researched. I’m not an expert so I can’t opine on the source of the marks. But I enjoyed the video. Thanks.
This appears to be clearly the work of machines to me and being a guy who enjoys mining game play in Star Citizen I can tell you I would have to use a atmospheric mining ship to quarry the bulk if not all of this site and not a ground based vehicle. Just saying.. Great video as usual thank you Tina.
What a great informative video thank you for sharing
We can only consider possibilities and option's that we know e.g machines or hand tools. There may have been in the past methods of quarrying that have been forgotten over time. Thank you Tina ❤
love your thoughtful analysis of this mystery. Have you thought to do a microscopic analysis of the cuts to look for metal residue?
Check out the Oya stone quarry (aka Kanehon quarry.) It is north of Tokyo and looks very similar to Nokogiri mountain, but it is a subterranean quarry that goes deep underground. It is also Very impressive and probably ties into the true origins of Nokogiri.
Thank you 😊 I may do a video on the Oya stone quarry.
Oh dang, that's dope. Bless up.
Well presented of all know data without trying to force a conclusion. This is how others should present their concepts.
Thank you. Hope you will enjoy my other videos too.
One wonders if these quarries were active at the same time as the Longyou excavations in China..
Great work Tina! I wish I knew about these and so many other megalithic sites when I lived in Japan a couple decades ago. I wonder if you have ever heard of Sado Island in Niigata Prefecture? I don't know if there are any ancient sites there, but there is a special energy and a rather mysterious vibe that one feels that is different from the rest of Japan.
The island is large enough to be a world unto itself and was the home of disposed Shoganates leading up to the Edo period. When the sea is high it is cut off from the main land and it also hosts the annual Ogi drum festival. The people there are reserved but very sincere and curious about the outside world.
I can imagine what stories they have to tell!
Is it possible that freshly quarried tuff is soft, like Giza Plateau sandstone then hardens with exposure to air and the sunshine ?
My suggestion is the parallel lines are due to multiple large chisels like crowbars, supported by leather straps on wooden frames, that were able to swing freely, but as a cohesive group of suspended crowbars.
Thank you 🙂
Excellent research and presentation, Thank you. As others have noted, I cannot see any way this could have been produced by hand work, no matter how diligent the workers. A now lost culture with lost tools, technique and purpose must be involved. The scale, precision, and consistency are simply not possible by hand. What's especially striking, is that it appears there were very large blocks extracted from midway up the cliffs.
Thank you for sharing with me. Here is the follow-up video (hope you will enjoy it as well): Revelations of a Massive Underground Quarry in Japan! th-cam.com/video/z5D5_rfT9RU/w-d-xo.html
Modern people who've mostly seen us rely on complex technology their whole lives can't easily imagine how ancient people could have done something without something more advanced by their definition. Traces can look similar when material is removed in a similar manner, but it doesn't tell you the design of what did the work, just the cutting edge maybe. You can also carve through a piece of glass with just a soldering iron and make similar artefacts.
After seeing all hard work done by machines you understandably can't imagine how its done without trying to use what you know, but that is limited in everyone's mind, and it's not the same as seeing evidence for advanced technology. It's also a survival oriented feature of our brain to try to fit preconceived ideas to new situations. That doesn't mean that stone and wood can't be used in more advanced ways than what's common today. Advancement and intelligence in one area does not necessary translate to another area easily, and advanced does not mean it's industrialized and futuristic by our definition, just well worked out. There's stories from many continents of people using precise mixtures of plants to produce something that could dissolve rock, which is entirely possible considering how plants contain thousands of molecules meant to carry and break down stuff. On top of that we barely can figure out how molecules we know can behave, much less thousands or millions of bits of living chemical machinery interacting.
The Japanese traditionally, and because of world war 2 can construct a more sturdy and longer lasting house than american construction companies do, with no use of metal, and a guy in Florida built structures with massive stone blocks using just his hands and some carpentry. These days efficiency is not the main limiting factor, but its different when you are limited by the calories you can process and put out before exhaustion. When you have a group of people with a few thousand years trying to figure something out, then they will figure it out, but they may also find another and less intensive way that you couldn't think of. I believe everything before modern technology was done by hand, since any industrialization and ecological disturbance like today would leave a big mark, and there would be chemical traces in sediment everywhere of processes like ours, if they were industrialized like us. I know about the continental shelves being fertile plains that would have been conducive to experimentation with settlements, and I know we've been counting prime numbers for astronomy for 15,000 years, and what that implies.
There couldn't have been a civilization more advanced than the romans before them within the last few million years without us knowing because it would be a continent spanning thing, and we've found continent spanning stuff, but nothing indicates modern looking industrialization until recorded history, which makes sense since you need to record tons of detailed information well enough for future people to expand on it a lot in order to develop like us today. Even when civilizations collapse there are some things figured out that give future people shoulders to stand on, we have those kinds of teachings but nothing indicating it was traditionalized scientific knowledge from a modernish industrial society.
Its just too great a claim, and its important to admit what we don't know and to be cautious about jumping to conclusions without proof. The idea of an advanced civilization fits enough to feel believable without knowing natural history or what advancement really means. That's what makes it extra important to be cautious, since just saying it's true because it looks like it will make others believe it easily, and the in today's age where the system is still very imperial it's hard not to be skeptical of authority, but the reality is that authority is skeptical of scientists too.
I just have ADHD, science and making things a hobby that I have never put down, I've never tired of learning material science or biology, this isn't bragging since it makes most people hate talking to me. There's something you learn when you just never stop experimenting with things, and i have no doubt that ancient people were more cognitively flexible than most societies with internet access today, and with that and a few thousand years you can accomplish what looks like magic without being Dr.Stone.
I think the key to this mystery lies in the hardness of that particular tuff. I would like to see & feel the texture & toughness of that tuff. Tufa stone is a type of volcanic tuff, and it can be easily carved into incredibly detailed designs using primitive tools. It is used by silversmiths to make jewelry in a method called tufa stone casting.
The videos of people using pick axes in quarries look like they are working on much harder stones.
Great video. Very interesting. It's nice to see this sort of stuff in Japan. Japan has lots of ancient stone works and you hardly ever hear about them. I'd like to know more. Thanks for posting the video!
The best place that I’ve ever been is Angkor Wat that place is so beautiful. Everything is carved. There’s not one square inch on that whole temple that has not been carved. I wish you could do a documentary on that place in Cambodia.