I just presumed that it took Fury 13 years because he wasn't high-up enough in SHIELD to be putting together something like that. Once he had the power and the means to go about his business without question, he did.
@@josepca89 Not really. Captain Marvel cant just come back to clean up every mess. So he needs a team on Earth that are always on Earth. Im going to assume hes been hunting for Captain America for a long time judging by the opening of The First Avenger when SHIELD Agents find Cap in the ice. Once more powered or enhanced people started popping up, like Stark and Banner.
I agree with that, and I also think that with HYDRA being part of S.H.I.E.L.D. that they actively worked against any actions he took to assemble a team of super-powered folks.
@@Mentocthemindtaker Why call Captain Marvel about Loki or Ultron, when the Avengers are dealing with it. But people dusting away, the Avengers need help with that
Stan Lee exists as Stan Lee in the MCU as a biographer of superheroes, and his comics are considered non-fiction works. In Captain America the First Avenger there is even a scene showing Cap's comics being sold.
I think he supposed to be us in a like we are the watchers and he watching his world being created it would be cool if END GAME end with stan lee closing the comic and walking about the door turning off the light smiling and saying “What a ride”
Howard Stark worked very closely with Peggy Carter even when she was a low level agent with the SSR. He knows talent when he sees it. Stark may have developed a similar relationship with a young Nick Fury.
People see Colonel Nick Fury Team Leading Agent of Shield and forget at one time he had to be Intern Nick Fury Coffee fetching Probationary Agent of Shield. I agree Stark probably developed a friendship with Fury when he was young and getting his coffee for him.
This movie didn't retcon as much as it disregarded the established lore of the universe. The positive thing is that this whole movie can be ignored and you'd miss nothing.
In Iron Man Phil Coulson didn't invent the idea of calling it SHIELD. He deliberately used the long form with Pepper because he didn't know and trust her yet. Inviting her to call them SHIELD was his way of saying, "You're a friend now, use our nickname."
Screen Rant is pretty good at that. They make no sence throughout their videos and try to sprinkle in pre established facts to make themselves seem more reliable.
Well...you could say (regarding the whole Coulson/Cree thing) that Coulson's memory of the Cree were erased along with the memory of how he came back. They did mess with his mind, so maybe they wanted to make sure he didn't remember any part of his resurrection, including any memories of the Cree.
Jake Philpott coulson is the one who was helping develop the revive process His memories of the whole thing was wiped of it It was developed to revive an avenger in the worse case
It was just after being used and zapped skull across the universe in cap America and it was sitting ideal in cap marvel. Think of you phone being hot after excessive use
Screen rant are terrible for doing this type of thing... Cos 10 sounds better than a lower number and cos it allows them to go over 10 minutes on their video
The only “retcon” that bugged me was Fury’s eye. Everything else is fine and can be explained away IMO. I thought the Kree/Skrull war twist in this movie was pretty clever.
The first one isn't really a retcon. They never established how he got the name "Avenger". The Captain Marvel scene just explains where he took the name from.
And it’s a terrible explanation because it removes Captain America’s importance as “The First Avenger”....because even though he is technically still the first , Captain Marvel is viewed as the “inspiration” now.
@@steve-o8171 It's never stated that Cap was the 'inspiration.' But that doesn't mean his importance is gone. Yes, he is still the first Avenger. Avenger is just a title for a group of heroes. Cap was and still is the first Hero.
You have to think Ronan told Thanos about Captain Marvel.Assuming she was earth's protector, should've known it would take more than Loki & the Chitauri to conquer the 3rd rock from the sun
Basically....it seems like the easiest thing to do is to just ignore Captain Marvel and accept in Endgame that she is simply a new, super powerful character from another world introduced to help ignite the plot and move the story pieces forward in a Post-Snap world.
Better question...are we better off for having known any of these details rather than leaving them to mystery? I'm gonna say, HELL no, more often than not.
Although interesting, it seems like this video generally misunderstands the word retcon. A retcon is a retroactive change to established continuity, not a retroactive filling in of details. For example, Nick Fury getting the idea to call it the Avengers Initiative from Captain Marvel's call sign here is not a retcon on its own. If it had been previously established that he got the idea for the name from his desire to Avenge his grandfather, and they changed the explanation here; that would be a retcon.
Yeah Captain America doesnt have super powers. Thanks to the serum though, he is completely peak of human strength, and can heal from injuries quicker.
While Coulson went through the T.A.H.I.T.I. procedure, his memories were rewritten. They can easily erase the kree from his memories. So Coulson not knowing the kree is not a plot hole at all.
In fact, they showed that Coulson knew about the Kree enough to be working as head of the project. And we know those memories were erased so there's a chance that the events fo Captain Marvel were erased too
Well if you guys wouldve actually watched agents of shield you would know Coulson mind was erased by fury so he wouldnt know he had kree blood in him. Fury probably erased more to protect his mind. Do your job guys.
Umar Usmani Yes, and there is no mention of the Kree in Avengers. They were referring to the Agents of SHIELD show. The fact that there was no mention of Kree in Avengers could be explained pretty easily: the invasion wasn’t public knowledge, and SHIELD agents that knew were told that it was completely confidential information. This could also be why Fury lies about Thor being the first alien to come to earth, as a cover up
3:30 Nick Fury calls Shield Shield in Iron Man 1. "Who the hell are you?" "Nick Fury, director of Shield" So it's been called it since the very beginning of the MCU
What's more interesting about Stan Lee's Captain Marvell cameo is, if Mallrats is in the Marvel universe, Kevin Smith's universe is part of the Marvel universe!!!
The Avengers is the next logical problem: testpilots DON'T have callsigns on their Planes! And if Captain Marvel gets her powers from the explosion of the engine, how does she have the signature of the Tesseract? Don't say they retconned, they nuked the history of 20 movies.
Your biggest mistake is saying that these errors are inevitable. They are not inevitable, they are the result of lazy writing in a movie that had other priorities instead of silly things like cannon or good writing.
Ruby Reviews when there job, literally what the are paid to do is to write a story that fits within a larger universe "relying on memory" is both lazy and negligence.
Nick Fury didn’t use an eyepatch until after he was sworn in. He was choosing glass eyes at the end of the film...... which still is strange since he has his bad eye in Winter Soldier......
In the photo of him getting signed in as director he has no scars on his eye. So between choosing a glass eye and becoming director he loses the scars then getting his eye patch he what, carves scares around his eye?
Actually, Hulk(2008) was the first film in the MCU. Carol Danvers callsign in the comics was "cheeseburger" When Fury stated they were "outgunned" by Thor, while knowing Cpt Marvel, just puts Thor as more powerful than Danvers; same as the comics.
Iron Man 1 takes place before Incredible Hulk. In the scene at the end of Iron Man 2 where Fury tells Tony that he'd rather have him as a consultant than an Avenger, you can see live news coverage of Hulk's attack at Culver University. Also (if you still consider it canon) the post-credits scene of The Incredible Hulk shows Stark talking to Ross about the Avengers Initiative. Stark first became aware of the Avengers Initiative when Fury told him about it in the post-credits scene of Iron Man 1.
One plot hole is that fury (in this movie) calls his agency “shield” but in iron man 1 it still has that long name “strategic homeland....” the name shield only comes to light in iron man 2 when Phil Coulson says they had a shorter name now.
Do you not realise that Nick and Coulson just lie? They have secrets. Nick is obviously gonna turn losing his eye into something meaningful that Cap thinks about.
You guys are just assuming everything Agent Colson and Nick Fury say are true, but as spies, they lie...A LOT. "We're not building weapons", "He had these cards on his body." So saying one of Fury's lies ruins the continuity doesn't ring...true. When Colson said, "We're working on it", he could be lying, when Fury tells Stark he knew his father, he's probably lying.
You're giving the writers credit for maintaining continuity between movies that they in no way deserve. Much easier explained by something they missed or simply didn't care enough about.
The reason Fury worked with Howard and was in Bogota could be BECAUSE of his interaction with Captain Marvel. SHIELD could have promoted him and had Howard talk to him about the alien tech he saw and they liked each other and stayed friends.
I've always considered Coulson not calling it Shield right away as a cover for him. Fumbling around with the name is a good way to go under the radar. You aren't taken as a priority, allowing extended surveillance and investigating.
Brunno Costa Because the origin has now gone from “if we can’t protect the Earth, we can at least avenge it” to “well, there was this superpowered girl in the 90s & her pilot nickname was avenger so uh....yeah.” It’s lame.
shahid mirza Yeah, but knowing HOW he got that name is just really lame. It’s a pilot nickname of a hero girl he met once....that’s it. Having them be called the Avengers because of the original implication that Tony says to Loki, is far better. Lemme put it this way, if that nickname had said “Boxer” then by the movie’s logic they’d be called the Boxers, formed by the Boxers Initiative. And when someone asks why they’re called the Boxers, they’re just like “uhhh, Idk we just are, I guess.” The name has no substance to it. It’s the same concept here. They took a group name that had substance & conviction to it, & retconned it to be the nickname of a pilot from 20 years ago. It’s weak.
1: It took him so long because he was waiting for heroes to surface. Iron man was the first real on after captain marvel and that why he only started making the iniative real then. 2: Redcon that doesn't change the mcu at all 3: Plot hole doesn't change the the mcu at all. Just a little mess up in Iron man. 4: There's not really a point here. Just naming things that happend. Not changing the MCU at all 5: Tecnically a small plot hole but again just a little mess up like when they put the infinity gauntlet in thor. Those things happen because they don't know what will be in future movies. It is a plot hole but it doesn't change the MCU at all. 6: Why not? There is no real reason Howard wouldn't have worked with him. Maybe Fury was on his security team. Not really a plot hole. Just something you think may be unlikely. 7: You are literally saying how something isn't a plot hole or a redcon. Like seriously? 8: They probably were working with the tesseract already but twith the kree scientist gone they didn't have the technology to do anything with an infinity stone until much later. And yes hydra did it too much earlier but that was also very unstable and they couldn't make anything that could really outclass a modern nuke. And he couldn't really tell anyone about the aliens since it was classified + He could easily have been talking about the public seeing the aliens for the first time. 9: Coulson lost his memories of being ressurected so they could have removed more in the past or during that procedure. So not a plot hole 10: Really? Dude he died. His cameo's are just for fun. They are easter eggs. They are not supposed to be taken as real plot developements. What it comes down to is these are not really plot holes, and they change absolutely nothing about the MCU Stop clickbaiting.
Ahahahaha! I was going to write almost exactly this list. Yeah, the only _real_ plot hole is the photo in Winter Soldier - buuuuuuut I actually don't even remember that photo.
@@silvasurfa7962 I wasnt saying I had a problem with it being an acronym. It's just the way they made the name Shield. In Iron Man they shorten the name like it was a new name at the end of the movie but in Captain Marvel they are already calling it Shield about 30 minutes in.
SHIELD stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage and Law-Enforcement Division. It was changed in 1991 to Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. Within the various films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as multiple animated and live-action television series, the backronym stands for Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division so they literally were working on it.
The first is hardly a Retcon as it was the inspiration for the Avengers. Plus, Nick wasn't Director of SHIELD in 1995. Even in the comics he was the 2nd Director of SHIELD. SHIELD actually has many meanings, and as Ant-Man & Agent Carter used it previously, its not a real Retcon also. Perhaps Nick's eye eventually healed then he lost its full use after what The Winter Soldier revealed. Nick's MCU backstory differed from the Classic Marvel series. The highlights were only used for the movie. Possibly, Phil's memories of the Kree were supressed, or just faded with time in the MCU. I hope that Stan will be revealed as the Living Tribunal, though some fans do think he might be a Watcher, but not necessarily Uatu himself.
Well one skrull was killed by fury in the car crash, the science guy was killed by yon-rogg, talos survived in the end which leaves us with the skrull from the train scene. I believe that, that skrull was killed by capt.marvels photon blast but he could have escaped as well
There are other Captain Marvel plot holes. In Endgame, she says there are thousands of planets that don't have the Avengers and yet, she didn't help Gamora's home planet when it was invaded by Thanos and his armies. Captain Marvel also didn't help the people of Xandar when they were being attacked by Ronan the Accuser and on top of that, she was nowhere to be found when Ego was transforming thousands of planets into copies of himself. Most of Thanos's attacks in Infinity War occurred in space and it makes no sense that Captain Marvel didn't respond to the distress call from Thor's ship nor did she do anything when he attacked Xandar and Knowhere during his search for the infinity stones. It's even more frustrating that Captain Marvel didn't show up for the battle on Titan which makes me question why is she even a superhero if she never shows up for any of the MCU events? Another plot hole is that the Avengers films portray Nick Fury as if he has no memory of Captain Marvel or the pager she gave him. By the end of Infinity War, when everyone including Nick himself is turning into dust, he suddenly gets his memories back? That's bullshit. Finally, Endgame already proved that Captain Marvel CAN instantly appear when she is contacted so I don't buy that she wouldn't appear during either Avengers 1 or Age of Ultron.
Or... Fury couldn't find any heros. Because Tony was not Iron Man yet. Black Widow & Hawkeye were just really good agents. Thor was still just a fairytale. Captain America was on ice. Hulk is a dangerous gamble.
@eric gonzalo Not officially! Even in the comics, those 2 characters have gone back and forth as mutants, not mutants, inhumans, not inhumans, bio-children of Magneto, NOT bio-children of Magneto, etc. And even if they are confirmed as mutants later, it took nothing less than an Infinity Stone to activate their mutant gene. Not many mutants have access to an Infinity Stone.
Aether Warrior except there are no real inconsistencies or plot holes, but I guess you just want there to be. If you think there are, can you give me an example?
Two things summed up half assed as per my usual. Memory augmentation &/or clones. See Original Sin a 2014 comic book storyline published by Marvel Comics.
In terms of why it took so long to start up the Avengers program...perhaps there was an earlier 'Avengers' team, but they collapsed/died/went rogue and so Nick Fury had to restart and wipe the slate clean.
5:59 When Nick lost his eye in Cap Marvel he still had hair. But in the photo where he appears next to Alexander Pierce he still had two eyes and no hair.🧐
Biggest plothole is the film itself xD Seriously, I was really annoyed by the retcon of the origin of the Avangers name/idea and how/why Fury lost his eye. That was disrespectful and really unnecessry.
This film also makes both the Avengers films and the Guardians of the Galaxy films completely irrelevant. Why bother assembling both teams when Captain Marvel could've been the one to deal with Loki, Ultron, Ronan, Ego, and Thanos all by herself.
@@loudboy317 haha yes, thats the problen with overpowered Mary Sue characters. Makes storytelling redundant, since they can take every challenge and the only problem they face is if they look good?
Maybe Coulson just wanted to seem cryptic. Shield seems to be a need to be more of a need to know organization anyway. He could have just been saying it that way until he felt he could trust Pepper
The shield acronym was already retconned way back in captain America though wasn’t it, and we have flashbacks in ant man as well so the name was more of a need to know basis in iron man at least that’s how I understood it
Incorrect regard as goof: Nick Fury claimed that Thor was the reason for creating Tesseract powered weapons even though he was aware of alien existence since Captain Marvel. Nick Fury said that *not only* were they not alone, but they were seriously outgunned and outmatched. This suggest that the Asgardians were stronger than the Krees and Skrulls that Nick took the alien threat seriously after that.
Retcon? "I don't think that word means what you think it means" Also as for Colson not knowing who the Kree where you realize when he was brought back his memories where altered that where anything at all to do with project Tahiti "its a magical place" and that would more than likely include his memory of the Kree.
I think all the "Plot holes" will be filled when we learn that Fury is a Skrull in end game sooo.... no plot holes here! I think the Skrull playing Fury is a friendly one who Fury helped when they first arrived on earth. Fury possibly even had the Srkrull impersonate him and help him to tackle more missions than Fury could have done on his own, which is why he has two different back stories. Also, I think Fury told Stark he knew his father better than him as a motivation tactic to push Tony to work harder. Its not a plot hole as much as it is a good leadership strategy.
Ummmmm - The comics were "The Avengers" so it had to be that. Having Fury want Protector, then change it, is just a neat little thing that says "hey, this may have happened, but didn't." 11:33 - Stan's character is The One Above All, or god, in the MCU, therefore his ID as Stan Lee is just a cover, as were all other cameos.
I wouldn't call the Coulson thing a "plot hole". In AoS, Fury erased Coulson's memories of all things TAHITI (which includes all thing Kree). Also when Lady Sif name dropped the Kree in S1 Ep15, the look on Coulson's face suggests that he has heard the name before but he doesn't know why.
Coulson actually never saw the Kree. He was inside the Blockbuster investigating the entire time, and the Coulson we saw with Fury was actually Talos. So Coulson would have only ever heard of Kree.
1) He proposed it, it was shot down. 13 years to rise to director and be able to call the shots. 2) How is that a retcon? It was never stated how he came up with that name. 3) Not a retcon. The Iron Man 1 was just an exposition joke for the audience as demonstrated by all the references to SHIELD in time before Iron Man 1. 4) First time in public knowledge. 5) He trusted this dangerous alien cat enough to tease it about eating aliens. And he lost an eye over that. 6) Howard Stark was involved in project Pegasus. Which he died before Captain Marvel… O.K.… I don’t have a response to this… 7) Doesn’t contradict anything. Just a hiccup in its study. 8) Nothing more than a spy justifying actions based on what the party’s present already knew. He was already clearly aware of this in Iron Man 1. But what good spy reveals all his cards? 9) Project Tahiti showed that he knew of the project and helped develop the project. But no longer knew about it after project Tahiti erased his memory. Which would also erase his memory of the Kree. If anything. This explains where they got the kree body for Project Tahiti. 10) Really? You’re going to try to claim Stan lee cameos as canon events? TL:DR; no actual retcons and maybe one element still needing further exploration. And a minor in consistency on timing.
Surprised that in seven years if "Captain Marvel" they didn't find enough material for a movie and used the Ms Marvel (2007-2012) material instead. You had one job, Marvel.
One thing that I don’t think can be explained away is that when nick fury shows his blind eye it has a huge long scar through it that looks like a scar from a knife. In captain marvel it’s 3-4 kitty scratches. The scratch and the scar are not even close to matching.
They said it probably was infected from it and made it worse. Still doesn't help that Fury lost his eye to a Damn cat. It should've been a skrull disguised as Coulson and he takes his eye.
Haww wkins I agree that would have been a much cooler way for him to lose the eye. But I still don’t think an infection or something like that could make the scar look like one giant knife slash.
Nick fury is a spy! his secrets have the secrets, so everthing fury told to the avengers could be a lie even blaming the thor for being the reason of phase 2
Somewhat yeah. They brainwashed him to keep him from remembering the multiple resurrections they put him through. Kept having the problem of him wanting to die, and Fury wanted him "back to normal". So they kept reviving him until it worked. Which it kind of only worked because of the brainwashing.
Phil Coulson not knowing bout the Kree isn't a plot hole. If you watch the Agents of shield show, you will know that they erase Coulson memories . He was in charge of that Kree program. But they erase his memories
The problem is the video maker makes some huge assumptions that are just his personal take on how events happened. For instance, if memory serves, I don't recall there being anything in the movies about Fury having been pals with Howard Stark and it is that assumption that the video maker uses to assume Fury was already high up in Shield by 1995. Also there was that little in-joke in "Iron-Man" about Coulson saying "We're working on it" as if nobody ever thought of just saying "Shield". But we have stuff like the Peggy Carter series where we know it was already called Shield by the late 1940s. So it was definitely called "Shield" by the 1990s. I'm not saying they might not have missed something but I suspect they were pretty careful about not having contradictions. These "contradictions" are really fan assumptions.
you can explain away the coulson one though because the movies and show are just not connected no matter what they tell you.. the evidence suggests the connections only go the one way. the movies do not in anyway recognize coulson and his team and what they have gone through so him being revived by kree blood is not a problem because it is off in it's own little world. There is no consistency. The avengers would HAVE to know coulson is alive by now because he actively was an open new director for shield after he built it back up after the hydra fall in winter soldier. In antman and the wasp they still talk about shield having collapsed. This tells you the movie universe does not consider agents of shield as canon but agents of shield reacts to the events of the movies. In is a one sided friendship. That is the explanation.
How was the first one a retcon? And the second one? Simple answer to the third one; he didn’t want a civilian to know how far back it goes so he made it sound fairly new.
I say she's over powered because Leftist social justice warrior culture is infiltrating Hollywood and our movies, and would love nothing more than to have the most powerful hero in the MCU be a woman... just because she's a woman!
the mental gymnastics in this video and in the comments to defend this trainwreck are amazing. lets just call Captain Marvel what it really was, shoehorned bullshit to tick off the diversity box in answer to the success of Wonder Woman. you'll feel much better once you start being honest. even the cast of The Avengers hate what they did with this character. its why Evans, Hemsworth and RDJ are leaving. they want no part of this wokefest.
Screen rant I've thought about it a lot and if you've decided to embrace Captain Marvel fine but now your trying to justify this raping of TRUE fans I am forced to unsubscribe
If the Skrulls could not travel faster than light, how did they get here? Are they thousands of years old? How did Mar-Vell get here? How did the Kree?
Could it be possible that Fury, after keeping the truth about the tesseract from the Avengers, continued to not tell them the whole truth when he had a convenient excuse in the Asghardians?
The fact that the movie was made was the biggest redcon.
I just presumed that it took Fury 13 years because he wasn't high-up enough in SHIELD to be putting together something like that. Once he had the power and the means to go about his business without question, he did.
Makes sense, but still the movie completely contradicts what hes reasons were
Its just bad writing
@@josepca89 Not really. Captain Marvel cant just come back to clean up every mess. So he needs a team on Earth that are always on Earth. Im going to assume hes been hunting for Captain America for a long time judging by the opening of The First Avenger when SHIELD Agents find Cap in the ice. Once more powered or enhanced people started popping up, like Stark and Banner.
I agree with that, and I also think that with HYDRA being part of S.H.I.E.L.D. that they actively worked against any actions he took to assemble a team of super-powered folks.
@@Mentocthemindtaker Why call Captain Marvel about Loki or Ultron, when the Avengers are dealing with it. But people dusting away, the Avengers need help with that
She is a test pilot.
Test pilot don't have a plane. So she can't write her name on a plane.
Thank you
Stan Lee exists as Stan Lee in the MCU as a biographer of superheroes, and his comics are considered non-fiction works. In Captain America the First Avenger there is even a scene showing Cap's comics being sold.
I think he supposed to be us in a like we are the watchers and he watching his world being created it would be cool if END GAME end with stan lee closing the comic and walking about the door turning off the light smiling and saying “What a ride”
@@Blueshadow866 I love that idea. Maybe not for Endgame, though.
Howard Stark worked very closely with Peggy Carter even when she was a low level agent with the SSR. He knows talent when he sees it. Stark may have developed a similar relationship with a young Nick Fury.
They took our jobs
People see Colonel Nick Fury Team Leading Agent of Shield and forget at one time he had to be Intern Nick Fury Coffee fetching Probationary Agent of Shield. I agree Stark probably developed a friendship with Fury when he was young and getting his coffee for him.
Even if they didn't actually meet in person, Fury would likely have read up on stark.
This movie didn't retcon as much as it disregarded the established lore of the universe. The positive thing is that this whole movie can be ignored and you'd miss nothing.
In Iron Man Phil Coulson didn't invent the idea of calling it SHIELD. He deliberately used the long form with Pepper because he didn't know and trust her yet. Inviting her to call them SHIELD was his way of saying, "You're a friend now, use our nickname."
They should do more research.
Edward Hopkins so you can’t call them shield if you aren’t friends? Give me a break lol
The Ninja Boss the name SHIELD would have no meaning to Pepper in the beginning. It makes sense to use the long form at first meeting.
He didn't trust her...with an acronym? Um, no.
Jeffrey Stayman he didn’t trust her to know what it meant.
The title should be "Plot Holes and How to Ignore Them by Explaining Them Away"
Screen Rant is pretty good at that. They make no sence throughout their videos and try to sprinkle in pre established facts to make themselves seem more reliable.
Well...you could say (regarding the whole Coulson/Cree thing) that Coulson's memory of the Cree were erased along with the memory of how he came back. They did mess with his mind, so maybe they wanted to make sure he didn't remember any part of his resurrection, including any memories of the Cree.
*Kree* not Cree
@@drlakshanasharma3862 my bad
Wow. That...that _actually makes sense!_ Not just some poor excuse made for clumsy continuity mistakes. It works in the context of the MCU well.
Jake Philpott coulson is the one who was helping develop the revive process
His memories of the whole thing was wiped of it
It was developed to revive an avenger in the worse case
Dude nice
I feel like this video was funded by Disney to say "hey, let's just move past all those plot holes"
What about how they transported the tessaract in a lunch box, but in Captain America The First Avenger it melted through the airplanes floors
Dude, those old metal lunchboxes were indestructible!
D U D E I’ve been asking the same thing
It was just after being used and zapped skull across the universe in cap America and it was sitting ideal in cap marvel. Think of you phone being hot after excessive use
First thing I thought in the theater yeah
It was The Fonz. Only the most powerful beings can wield the stones. Enough said lol.
"It isn't necessarily a retcon." This whole video.
How I felt about this
Screen rant are terrible for doing this type of thing...
Cos 10 sounds better than a lower number and cos it allows them to go over 10 minutes on their video
Y e a...
The only “retcon” that bugged me was Fury’s eye. Everything else is fine and can be explained away IMO. I thought the Kree/Skrull war twist in this movie was pretty clever.
The first one isn't really a retcon. They never established how he got the name "Avenger". The Captain Marvel scene just explains where he took the name from.
And it’s a terrible explanation because it removes Captain America’s importance as “The First Avenger”....because even though he is technically still the first , Captain Marvel is viewed as the “inspiration” now.
@@steve-o8171
It's never stated that Cap was the 'inspiration.' But that doesn't mean his importance is gone. Yes, he is still the first Avenger.
Avenger is just a title for a group of heroes. Cap was and still is the first Hero.
You have to think Ronan told Thanos about Captain Marvel.Assuming she was earth's protector, should've known it would take more than Loki & the Chitauri to conquer the 3rd rock from the sun
Basically....it seems like the easiest thing to do is to just ignore Captain Marvel and accept in Endgame that she is simply a new, super powerful character from another world introduced to help ignite the plot and move the story pieces forward in a Post-Snap world.
you keep throwing around the word retcon.... i don't think it means what you think it means -_-
Exactly what I was thinking. I see so many people use the word retcon wrong when talking about this movie.
Technically they use it correctly. But they dont use it in the way most people do.
Damn I didn't realize how badly captain marvel messed with what they already told us in previous movies!!!
They didnt really this is stretching a bit
So the First Avenger counts for nothing.
It does actually
Better question...are we better off for having known any of these details rather than leaving them to mystery? I'm gonna say, HELL no, more often than not.
Although interesting, it seems like this video generally misunderstands the word retcon. A retcon is a retroactive change to established continuity, not a retroactive filling in of details. For example, Nick Fury getting the idea to call it the Avengers Initiative from Captain Marvel's call sign here is not a retcon on its own. If it had been previously established that he got the idea for the name from his desire to Avenge his grandfather, and they changed the explanation here; that would be a retcon.
They knew there were super powered beings before that, Captain America
Super powered beings of man's making is different from super powered beings coming from another world.
Yeah Captain America doesnt have super powers. Thanks to the serum though, he is completely peak of human strength, and can heal from injuries quicker.
Test pilots name will not be written on fighter jets. They are just testing it. Mostly just for one single ride.
While Coulson went through the T.A.H.I.T.I. procedure, his memories were rewritten. They can easily erase the kree from his memories. So Coulson not knowing the kree is not a plot hole at all.
In fact, they showed that Coulson knew about the Kree enough to be working as head of the project. And we know those memories were erased so there's a chance that the events fo Captain Marvel were erased too
Besides, Coulson never actually encountered any Kree in this film,
I gotta say, A LOT of these things feel like a stretch. That and you guys do know what a ret-con is right?
Well if you guys wouldve actually watched agents of shield you would know Coulson mind was erased by fury so he wouldnt know he had kree blood in him. Fury probably erased more to protect his mind. Do your job guys.
Exactly.
But that was after avengers 1
@@umarusmani876 They could've erased alot more things then events that happened after Avengers 1 and that would make sense that they did.
Umar Usmani Yes, and there is no mention of the Kree in Avengers. They were referring to the Agents of SHIELD show. The fact that there was no mention of Kree in Avengers could be explained pretty easily: the invasion wasn’t public knowledge, and SHIELD agents that knew were told that it was completely confidential information. This could also be why Fury lies about Thor being the first alien to come to earth, as a cover up
@@TheJakeSeale ya because he already lied to them a lot
3:30 Nick Fury calls Shield Shield in Iron Man 1. "Who the hell are you?"
"Nick Fury, director of Shield" So it's been called it since the very beginning of the MCU
Just saw Captain Marvel. It was so much fun. Plus, it made me rethink the Cree/Skrull war.
What's more interesting about Stan Lee's Captain Marvell cameo is, if Mallrats is in the Marvel universe, Kevin Smith's universe is part of the Marvel universe!!!
The Avengers is the next logical problem: testpilots DON'T have callsigns on their Planes! And if Captain Marvel gets her powers from the explosion of the engine, how does she have the signature of the Tesseract? Don't say they retconned, they nuked the history of 20 movies.
Your biggest mistake is saying that these errors are inevitable. They are not inevitable, they are the result of lazy writing in a movie that had other priorities instead of silly things like cannon or good writing.
Maybe it's a slight retcon because of Endgame, maybe
A lot of these mistakes are easily explained away or come as a result of people relying on memory for past films
Ruby Reviews when there job, literally what the are paid to do is to write a story that fits within a larger universe "relying on memory" is both lazy and negligence.
Luedizer Universal I doubt anything in endgame will hinge on fury loosing his eye to a cat.
@@freeworldsrp160 Lol, Infinity war had silly plot holes too.
Nick Fury didn’t use an eyepatch until after he was sworn in. He was choosing glass eyes at the end of the film...... which still is strange since he has his bad eye in Winter Soldier......
In the photo of him getting signed in as director he has no scars on his eye. So between choosing a glass eye and becoming director he loses the scars then getting his eye patch he what, carves scares around his eye?
Also time stamp got the photo is 5:59
Explain the retcons however you want, it's a bunch of BS to me.
Actually, Hulk(2008) was the first film in the MCU.
Carol Danvers callsign in the comics was "cheeseburger"
When Fury stated they were "outgunned" by Thor, while knowing Cpt Marvel, just puts Thor as more powerful than Danvers; same as the comics.
Iron Man 1 takes place before Incredible Hulk.
In the scene at the end of Iron Man 2 where Fury tells Tony that he'd rather have him as a consultant than an Avenger, you can see live news coverage of Hulk's attack at Culver University. Also (if you still consider it canon) the post-credits scene of The Incredible Hulk shows Stark talking to Ross about the Avengers Initiative. Stark first became aware of the Avengers Initiative when Fury told him about it in the post-credits scene of Iron Man 1.
This is why James Gunn should just write every movie from now on
Didn’t realize this was screenrant, seeing as it isn’t Ryan Howard, it’s probably just stretching to 10 minutes
Another Awesome video!!
R.I.P MCU
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Nah X-Men & F4 are back and in Kevin Feige pocket . Stronger than ever !
One plot hole is that fury (in this movie) calls his agency “shield” but in iron man 1 it still has that long name “strategic homeland....” the name shield only comes to light in iron man 2 when Phil Coulson says they had a shorter name now.
Who else glad it's finally the Weekend!!?😁😄
danng i made a effect with captain marvel too!
They're called the Avengers because the Justice League was already taken.
I like the writers and directors just did what they want and thought the other movies will work around this rather than the other way round.
Do you not realise that Nick and Coulson just lie? They have secrets. Nick is obviously gonna turn losing his eye into something meaningful that Cap thinks about.
You guys are just assuming everything Agent Colson and Nick Fury say are true, but as spies, they lie...A LOT. "We're not building weapons", "He had these cards on his body." So saying one of Fury's lies ruins the continuity doesn't ring...true.
When Colson said, "We're working on it", he could be lying, when Fury tells Stark he knew his father, he's probably lying.
You're giving the writers credit for maintaining continuity between movies that they in no way deserve. Much easier explained by something they missed or simply didn't care enough about.
The reason Fury worked with Howard and was in Bogota could be BECAUSE of his interaction with Captain Marvel. SHIELD could have promoted him and had Howard talk to him about the alien tech he saw and they liked each other and stayed friends.
Iron man (2008)
Nick Fury: "I am here to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative."
I've always considered Coulson not calling it Shield right away as a cover for him. Fumbling around with the name is a good way to go under the radar. You aren't taken as a priority, allowing extended surveillance and investigating.
I don't like that they were named after Carol Danvers!
Why?
Brunno Costa Because the origin has now gone from “if we can’t protect the Earth, we can at least avenge it” to “well, there was this superpowered girl in the 90s & her pilot nickname was avenger so uh....yeah.”
It’s lame.
Fury came up with the name before the Avengers were even Assembled.
shahid mirza Yeah, but knowing HOW he got that name is just really lame. It’s a pilot nickname of a hero girl he met once....that’s it. Having them be called the Avengers because of the original implication that Tony says to Loki, is far better.
Lemme put it this way, if that nickname had said “Boxer” then by the movie’s logic they’d be called the Boxers, formed by the Boxers Initiative. And when someone asks why they’re called the Boxers, they’re just like “uhhh, Idk we just are, I guess.” The name has no substance to it. It’s the same concept here. They took a group name that had substance & conviction to it, & retconned it to be the nickname of a pilot from 20 years ago. It’s weak.
@@sasook also kara danvers is supergirl so WTF regarding her name!
1: It took him so long because he was waiting for heroes to surface. Iron man was the first real on after captain marvel and that why he only started making the iniative real then.
2: Redcon that doesn't change the mcu at all
3: Plot hole doesn't change the the mcu at all. Just a little mess up in Iron man.
4: There's not really a point here. Just naming things that happend. Not changing the MCU at all
5: Tecnically a small plot hole but again just a little mess up like when they put the infinity gauntlet in thor. Those things happen because they don't know what will be in future movies. It is a plot hole but it doesn't change the MCU at all.
6: Why not? There is no real reason Howard wouldn't have worked with him. Maybe Fury was on his security team. Not really a plot hole. Just something you think may be unlikely.
7: You are literally saying how something isn't a plot hole or a redcon. Like seriously?
8: They probably were working with the tesseract already but twith the kree scientist gone they didn't have the technology to do anything with an infinity stone until much later. And yes hydra did it too much earlier but that was also very unstable and they couldn't make anything that could really outclass a modern nuke. And he couldn't really tell anyone about the aliens since it was classified + He could easily have been talking about the public seeing the aliens for the first time.
9: Coulson lost his memories of being ressurected so they could have removed more in the past or during that procedure. So not a plot hole
10: Really? Dude he died. His cameo's are just for fun. They are easter eggs. They are not supposed to be taken as real plot developements.
What it comes down to is these are not really plot holes, and they change absolutely nothing about the MCU
Stop clickbaiting.
^^^ This
Ahahahaha! I was going to write almost exactly this list.
Yeah, the only _real_ plot hole is the photo in Winter Soldier - buuuuuuut I actually don't even remember that photo.
The second to last one can be explained by the fact that Coulsons memories were altered by TAHITI and that one was probably erased too
The shield acronym origin bugged me so much... glad I'm not the only one who caught that.
You're reaching son
SSR was used in WW2, it's ridiculous CIA, FBI, & others would use acronyms but SHIELD wouldn't?
@@silvasurfa7962 I wasnt saying I had a problem with it being an acronym. It's just the way they made the name Shield. In Iron Man they shorten the name like it was a new name at the end of the movie but in Captain Marvel they are already calling it Shield about 30 minutes in.
@@Viper631 think of it as the NSA, they weren't mainstream knowledge until recently. SHIELD is even more secretive.
Printing your secret organization’s logo in every single item that it can be printed on it’s tight!
SHIELD stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage and Law-Enforcement Division. It was changed in 1991 to Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. Within the various films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as multiple animated and live-action television series, the backronym stands for Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division so they literally were working on it.
The first is hardly a Retcon as it was the inspiration for the Avengers.
Plus, Nick wasn't Director of SHIELD in 1995. Even in the comics he was the 2nd Director of SHIELD.
SHIELD actually has many meanings, and as Ant-Man & Agent Carter used it previously, its not a real Retcon also.
Perhaps Nick's eye eventually healed then he lost its full use after what The Winter Soldier revealed.
Nick's MCU backstory differed from the Classic Marvel series. The highlights were only used for the movie.
Possibly, Phil's memories of the Kree were supressed, or just faded with time in the MCU.
I hope that Stan will be revealed as the Living Tribunal, though some fans do think he might be a Watcher, but not necessarily Uatu himself.
What happened to the 4th Skrull that landed on C-53?
Well one skrull was killed by fury in the car crash, the science guy was killed by yon-rogg, talos survived in the end which leaves us with the skrull from the train scene. I believe that, that skrull was killed by capt.marvels photon blast but he could have escaped as well
There are other Captain Marvel plot holes.
In Endgame, she says there are thousands of planets that don't have the Avengers and yet, she didn't help Gamora's home planet when it was invaded by Thanos and his armies. Captain Marvel also didn't help the people of Xandar when they were being attacked by Ronan the Accuser and on top of that, she was nowhere to be found when Ego was transforming thousands of planets into copies of himself.
Most of Thanos's attacks in Infinity War occurred in space and it makes no sense that Captain Marvel didn't respond to the distress call from Thor's ship nor did she do anything when he attacked Xandar and Knowhere during his search for the infinity stones. It's even more frustrating that Captain Marvel didn't show up for the battle on Titan which makes me question why is she even a superhero if she never shows up for any of the MCU events?
Another plot hole is that the Avengers films portray Nick Fury as if he has no memory of Captain Marvel or the pager she gave him. By the end of Infinity War, when everyone including Nick himself is turning into dust, he suddenly gets his memories back? That's bullshit.
Finally, Endgame already proved that Captain Marvel CAN instantly appear when she is contacted so I don't buy that she wouldn't appear during either Avengers 1 or Age of Ultron.
Captain marvel just made the mcu more confusing. But kevin feigi never disappoints. So let's see how he handles these confusions
They wont be happy until Fury is in a dress.
Or... Fury couldn't find any heros.
Because Tony was not Iron Man yet.
Black Widow & Hawkeye were just really good agents.
Thor was still just a fairytale.
Captain America was on ice.
Hulk is a dangerous gamble.
@eric gonzalo
Nope!
No mutants yet!
@eric gonzalo
Not officially!
Even in the comics, those 2 characters have gone back and forth as mutants, not mutants, inhumans, not inhumans, bio-children of Magneto, NOT bio-children of Magneto, etc.
And even if they are confirmed as mutants later, it took nothing less than an Infinity Stone to activate their mutant gene.
Not many mutants have access to an Infinity Stone.
OR: Maybe Captain Marvel isn't canon. Problem solved.
How is it not canon?
Aether Warrior except there are no real inconsistencies or plot holes, but I guess you just want there to be. If you think there are, can you give me an example?
@@SonOfHanni You are watching a video explaining the movie plot holes and you need examples?
Two things summed up half assed as per my usual. Memory augmentation &/or clones. See Original Sin a 2014 comic book storyline published by Marvel Comics.
In terms of why it took so long to start up the Avengers program...perhaps there was an earlier 'Avengers' team, but they collapsed/died/went rogue and so Nick Fury had to restart and wipe the slate clean.
5:59 When Nick lost his eye in Cap Marvel he still had hair. But in the photo where he appears next to Alexander Pierce he still had two eyes and no hair.🧐
Biggest plothole is the film itself xD
Seriously, I was really annoyed by the retcon of the origin of the Avangers name/idea and how/why Fury lost his eye.
That was disrespectful and really unnecessry.
Kilgar you have to make 10 years of movies all about Ms. Marvel
This film also makes both the Avengers films and the Guardians of the Galaxy films completely irrelevant.
Why bother assembling both teams when Captain Marvel could've been the one to deal with Loki, Ultron, Ronan, Ego, and Thanos all by herself.
@@loudboy317 haha yes, thats the problen with overpowered Mary Sue characters. Makes storytelling redundant, since they can take every challenge and the only problem they face is if they look good?
Maybe Coulson just wanted to seem cryptic. Shield seems to be a need to be more of a need to know organization anyway. He could have just been saying it that way until he felt he could trust Pepper
Honestly calling it shield given the acronym seemed obvious. It only makes sense in the original movie if Shield is new, and even then.
First to say good video!
The shield acronym was already retconned way back in captain America though wasn’t it, and we have flashbacks in ant man as well so the name was more of a need to know basis in iron man at least that’s how I understood it
Incorrect regard as goof: Nick Fury claimed that Thor was the reason for creating Tesseract powered weapons even though he was aware of alien existence since Captain Marvel.
Nick Fury said that *not only* were they not alone, but they were seriously outgunned and outmatched. This suggest that the Asgardians were stronger than the Krees and Skrulls that Nick took the alien threat seriously after that.
Retcon? "I don't think that word means what you think it means"
Also as for Colson not knowing who the Kree where you realize when he was brought back his memories where altered that where anything at all to do with project Tahiti "its a magical place" and that would more than likely include his memory of the Kree.
I think all the "Plot holes" will be filled when we learn that Fury is a Skrull in end game sooo.... no plot holes here! I think the Skrull playing Fury is a friendly one who Fury helped when they first arrived on earth. Fury possibly even had the Srkrull impersonate him and help him to tackle more missions than Fury could have done on his own, which is why he has two different back stories. Also, I think Fury told Stark he knew his father better than him as a motivation tactic to push Tony to work harder. Its not a plot hole as much as it is a good leadership strategy.
Ummmmm - The comics were "The Avengers" so it had to be that. Having Fury want Protector, then change it, is just a neat little thing that says "hey, this may have happened, but didn't."
11:33 - Stan's character is The One Above All, or god, in the MCU, therefore his ID as Stan Lee is just a cover, as were all other cameos.
I wouldn't call the Coulson thing a "plot hole". In AoS, Fury erased Coulson's memories of all things TAHITI (which includes all thing Kree). Also when Lady Sif name dropped the Kree in S1 Ep15, the look on Coulson's face suggests that he has heard the name before but he doesn't know why.
Coulson actually never saw the Kree. He was inside the Blockbuster investigating the entire time, and the Coulson we saw with Fury was actually Talos. So Coulson would have only ever heard of Kree.
??? That doesn't remove his knowledge of them.
1) He proposed it, it was shot down. 13 years to rise to director and be able to call the shots.
2) How is that a retcon? It was never stated how he came up with that name.
3) Not a retcon. The Iron Man 1 was just an exposition joke for the audience as demonstrated by all the references to SHIELD in time before Iron Man 1.
4) First time in public knowledge.
5) He trusted this dangerous alien cat enough to tease it about eating aliens. And he lost an eye over that.
6) Howard Stark was involved in project Pegasus. Which he died before Captain Marvel… O.K.… I don’t have a response to this…
7) Doesn’t contradict anything. Just a hiccup in its study.
8) Nothing more than a spy justifying actions based on what the party’s present already knew. He was already clearly aware of this in Iron Man 1. But what good spy reveals all his cards?
9) Project Tahiti showed that he knew of the project and helped develop the project. But no longer knew about it after project Tahiti erased his memory. Which would also erase his memory of the Kree. If anything. This explains where they got the kree body for Project Tahiti.
10) Really? You’re going to try to claim Stan lee cameos as canon events?
TL:DR; no actual retcons and maybe one element still needing further exploration. And a minor in consistency on timing.
I watched it today it was amazing!!!
Kindly do repeat that again?? What you posted makes no sense, Meeks.
Have a look now autocorrect was messing up
Surprised that in seven years if "Captain Marvel" they didn't find enough material for a movie and used the Ms Marvel (2007-2012) material instead. You had one job, Marvel.
Has anybody ever noticed that captain Marvels logo is the same on wonder woman’s head peace ( bandana )
One thing that I don’t think can be explained away is that when nick fury shows his blind eye it has a huge long scar through it that looks like a scar from a knife. In captain marvel it’s 3-4 kitty scratches. The scratch and the scar are not even close to matching.
They said it probably was infected from it and made it worse. Still doesn't help that Fury lost his eye to a Damn cat. It should've been a skrull disguised as Coulson and he takes his eye.
Haww wkins I agree that would have been a much cooler way for him to lose the eye. But I still don’t think an infection or something like that could make the scar look like one giant knife slash.
@@elijahbristow9311 Yeah I agree. They made it a joke which I'm not really a fan of.
I noticed the shield one when i watched the movie
Nick fury is a spy! his secrets have the secrets, so everthing fury told to the avengers could be a lie even blaming the thor for being the reason of phase 2
I dont watch agents of shield so I could be wrong but didnt coulson like lose his memory temporarily after being revived ?
Somewhat yeah. They brainwashed him to keep him from remembering the multiple resurrections they put him through. Kept having the problem of him wanting to die, and Fury wanted him "back to normal". So they kept reviving him until it worked. Which it kind of only worked because of the brainwashing.
Yep there's an explanation why he doesn't remember the kree and other things. Also give AOS a shot it gets really good.
He did, but he eventually remembered everything.
@@Falconryder They never truly show or say that he remembers everything. He only remembers what was shown and told to him.
Shield is a clear common code name and would make more sense to use long before no one said Pepper helped create shield name why would she.
Phil Coulson not knowing bout the Kree isn't a plot hole. If you watch the Agents of shield show, you will know that they erase Coulson memories . He was in charge of that Kree program. But they erase his memories
The problem is the video maker makes some huge assumptions that are just his personal take on how events happened. For instance, if memory serves, I don't recall there being anything in the movies about Fury having been pals with Howard Stark and it is that assumption that the video maker uses to assume Fury was already high up in Shield by 1995. Also there was that little in-joke in "Iron-Man" about Coulson saying "We're working on it" as if nobody ever thought of just saying "Shield". But we have stuff like the Peggy Carter series where we know it was already called Shield by the late 1940s. So it was definitely called "Shield" by the 1990s. I'm not saying they might not have missed something but I suspect they were pretty careful about not having contradictions. These "contradictions" are really fan assumptions.
you can explain away the coulson one though because the movies and show are just not connected no matter what they tell you.. the evidence suggests the connections only go the one way. the movies do not in anyway recognize coulson and his team and what they have gone through so him being revived by kree blood is not a problem because it is off in it's own little world. There is no consistency. The avengers would HAVE to know coulson is alive by now because he actively was an open new director for shield after he built it back up after the hydra fall in winter soldier. In antman and the wasp they still talk about shield having collapsed. This tells you the movie universe does not consider agents of shield as canon but agents of shield reacts to the events of the movies. In is a one sided friendship. That is the explanation.
How was the first one a retcon?
And the second one?
Simple answer to the third one; he didn’t want a civilian to know how far back it goes so he made it sound fairly new.
So cool
Here's the retcon. Now here's why it makes things better. *cashes Disney's paycheck for shilling the movie*
A lot of people claim that Captain Marvel is too powerful. And Thanos isn't!!!!!! To be honest, I think CM and Thor are evenly matched.
I don't even see how she is to powerful , and every hero has a weakness and I bet we'll see hers in Endgame
....but why is CM even equal to Thor though? He’s a literal god. She got her powers from a stone. She should be on par with Wanda with that logic.
@@sasook maybe having Kree blood running through her plus the power of the tessaract . I'm just guessing
I say she's over powered because Leftist social justice warrior culture is infiltrating Hollywood and our movies, and would love nothing more than to have the most powerful hero in the MCU be a woman... just because she's a woman!
Screenrant you lost a sub cause you sugar coated this review by saying it's ok to allow multiple small mistakes and even one or two big ones wtf!!
Fury NEVER told her he was a Sheild agent. She said it first.. Holes on top of holes.
the mental gymnastics in this video and in the comments to defend this trainwreck are amazing. lets just call Captain Marvel what it really was, shoehorned bullshit to tick off the diversity box in answer to the success of Wonder Woman. you'll feel much better once you start being honest. even the cast of The Avengers hate what they did with this character. its why Evans, Hemsworth and RDJ are leaving. they want no part of this wokefest.
3:00 I noticed that at the movies lol
Screen rant I've thought about it a lot and if you've decided to embrace Captain Marvel fine but now your trying to justify this raping of TRUE fans I am forced to unsubscribe
Bye
Captain Marvel (Both the character and film) have and will ruin he continuity of the MCU and characters like Thor
T.A.H.I.T.I.
Coulson's mind was erased of any knowledge of the Kree. A simple google search would have made clear this isn't a plot hole.
Stan Lee was supposed to be the one above all
Stan Lee is the one above all he just had to return to his home and recuperate for a few decades
Am I the only one who didn't realise it was in the past for half the film? I was do confused I was told it was set just before infinity war
If the Skrulls could not travel faster than light, how did they get here? Are they thousands of years old? How did Mar-Vell get here? How did the Kree?
Could it be possible that Fury, after keeping the truth about the tesseract from the Avengers, continued to not tell them the whole truth when he had a convenient excuse in the Asghardians?