Lol so I've heard this a few times now and I checked it out for myself - wow your not kidding! What surprises me most is how I achieved this - This video was shot on a Samsung J7 with the built in stereo mics. I cannot fathom that device recording spatial audio!
Might want to 1. Not touch the grooves too much. 2. Don’t hold it by the edge like that with one hand as the edge can break off in your hand and the rest of the record will fall to the floor and shatter. You’ve likely been lucky so far. Thanks for documenting.
Record-ology :-). I’m sure you selected one that would be OK. I’m just imagining the uninitiated getting their happy new 78, picking it up and then to their horror watching it snap off and drop. Great stuff. If you haven’t had a chance to listen on a Victrola, treat yourself. It’s a more different than you might think. I was surprised the first time I heard my grandmother’s Victrola.
Actually 78 rpms all stopped in the mid to late 80s. The last batch were produced in India at that time. Gramophone production still continues today in India based on some of the original Victor and Columbia designs. Parts are also widely available.
Record-ology indeed. They are crude, and made to look how most people think a gramophone looks with little consideration to how they sound. Such a shame as a good wind up can easily rival electrical equipment and some such as the EMG are even better!
Oh yes shellac does warp ! Just try leaning the disc up against a wall at a 45 degree angle and leaving it in a warm environment for 2 or 3 weeks and then place it on a revolving turntable. I guarantee you will see a double ripple in the surface. To avoid warping, keep the discs in a cool environment (not cold) and stored either flat horizontal or straight up and down vertical without any leaning to the left or right.
I have a lot of these pre-electronic recording records. Chances are that the record you are holding is actually 80 rpm. Each record company at the time had different ideas with the speeds.
Victor acoustic records and early electric ones averaged about 76 RPM, not 78 or 80 RPM. By about 1930 and shortly thereafter the speed pretty much got standardized to 78 RPM, but even after that there was some variances
I remember going to an Italian party in NYC (when I was about 10 or 11) they put me in charge of changing the needle after about every other record. I also believe it was a WINDUP machine so 78's bring back a LOT of memories (some good and some not so good).
I remember cleaning out the attic of my moms new home and found a bunch of these kind of records. I knew they were different when i dropped one and it shattered like glass. My best friend and I decided to destroy the rest of them in every way we could think of like dropping on the floor, throwing them like frisbees or at eachother. I now realize my mistake and wish i could have heard what was on thise records. I know for sure I remember a bob hope album cover but the others i cant recall. Yes
lol it made for a good memory i guess!, in early 2020 i found a massive stack of Victor records in the closet at grandma's house, like 40 of them at least, all from the 1910s and 1920s, the one at the bottom of the stack broke in half from the weight while we were getting them out, but thankfully the rest are okay
Actually, the major record companies- starting with Mercury- decided to officially discontinue the "78" disc to the general public by the fall of 1958- even though some "78's" were still made for juke box use, and Canadian companies continued to release them through 1960.
Nice posting. Emil Berliner developed the disc record in the 1880's which helped launch the Victor Talking Machine Co. in 1901. Phonographs at first were cranked by hand with inconsistent speed. Then talking machines improved with wind-up motors and the industry eventually accepted the constant speed of 78rpms. These discs rivalled the old cylinder recordings. When the electronic method of recording became the norm in 1925, it spelled doom for the cylinder machines, which were phased out by 1930. After World War II Columbia Records developed the long playing record at 33.3rpm while RCA Victor technicians developed the 45rpm vinyl record (selling pitch - "unbreakable with normal use"). Stereophonic technology in 1958 shut down the 78 market and American record companies ceased manufacturing these faster spinning discs. A decade later, most phonographs no longer provided the 78rpm speed. I own a wind-up antique Victrola, vintage 1919, that still works.
Well, you surprised me. I knew 78's came in 10", 8", and 7", because I owned several of each size growing up. I did not know--or maybe had forgotten--that 78's also came in the 12" size. KEWL!!
After WWII, 78 RPM records were mastered on acetate and pressed in Bakelite or Vinylite. Acetate masters last longer than wax, and shellac became scarce after the war. Besides, the newer resins were considered unbreakable under normal use. An important consideration since record changers were becoming popular at the time.
Record companies did not stop pressing 78 rpm records in 1957.. Some record companies continued until around 1960..Countries like the Philippines, South Africa, continued pressing 78's until the late 1960's.. South America stopped pressing 78 rpm records around 1974.. Puerto Rico stop pressing 78 rpm records around 1970
Beautiful video. We have a standing Victorola dated 1913 that my grandfather said his parents bought used in the 60s. I was told his mother was offered a lot of money for some of the records but she declined the offer, I’m glad she did. With her feeling that way it had me under the impression that her parents/my GG grandparents bought it but upon asking as mentioned it was purchased later on.
Hi there i would like to ask some opinions here. I had a couple of 78s i wanted to play them of course i don't have a gramophone i want to buy a modern turntable which had 78rpm capability i know that Audio Technica LP-120 had that option but its kinda expensive i already had another Audio Technica turntable i was thinking to buy a crosley type of turntable to play 78 with a different stylus what stylus should i use and is it safe to play the 78s?
78's can warp. I have a collection of them too and I once made up a "book" of records and took them into my Jr. High history class (extra credit) and one of them got left too close to the record player and part of the edge warped. They won't warp as easy as the later LP's did, but they will warp under the right conditions.
Most of my 78s warp but it didn’t damage the record or music too much it’s only slight. Wouldn’t recomend stacking them on top of each other and put them in a shelf just like you would do with normal vinyl records. And clean them regularly too.
The first vinyl was called Victrolac. RCA Victor + lac (but it had no lac). It was made in 1931 for the movie industry for soundies. The first soundies used shellac which always broke.
Hi! What type of needle do you recommend for 78 rpm? I have a victrola 6 in 1 and i want to play only 78s on there. Could you recommend a needle/stylus compatible for that?
I shattered my Elvis Love Me Tender 78. I still have the pieces. Got at garage sale back in the 70's. That, I thought, could be my retirement $. Oops! Stay safe.
To begin with an electrically recorded 78rpm in good condition and played on in period equipment will play virtually noiselessly. Secondly, not all 78rpm records are Shelac. Some were pressed on vinyl or even cardboard. Thirdly, the edges of 78rpm records differ and will not operate with a knife edge auto changer. War time records, like V discs were not shelac. Auto sequencing for auto changers was a common practice from the early 1930''s and were numbered in a five sided set: 1-6 (6 being blank) 2-5, 3-4. Some record albums: Decca, had 4 10' records and 1 12" record. Audiophile produced microgroove 78rpm records. with tracks like an LP. 78/80rpm records came in smaller 8" and 6" sizes. When 45 rpm records were introduced the equivalent 78rpm record was the "master" recording because the faster the recording the better the sound (CD for instance)
There are indeed many variations in format material and size. This early video that I did has a lot of generalizations but overall conveys the basic ideas to newbies. In some of my recent videos we take a deep dive into dedicated 78/3 mill wide groove styli. I also have since acquired a 1917 Vita-Nola phonograph which we have looked at in detail as well
I think Columbia had the worst pressed records. They were more fragile and very noisy, compared to the RCA Victor and Subsidiary BlueBird records. Most of the ones I have sound fantastic, with virtually no noise. Columbia's on the other hound, sound horrific, and some of the ones I own, you can see the cardboard center peeking out through the spindle hole.
I wouldn't recommend playing a 78RPM record on a 3 in 1 turntable, I've learned this myself and would recommend getting an original player on ebay. For some record players you can get a needle made specifically for 78's on a modern turntable. Otherwise good video.
I play 78's just fine on my Audio Technica LP-120, with an Ortofon 2M True Mono cartridge, designed for playing 78's. I generally track at about 3 grams. I also play them on my TEAC modern stereo system with the plastic turntable and ceramic cartridge which tracks at about 5 grams. They sound great on that as well. I'm not concerned about the heavier 5 gram tracking force, as those old shellac records were designed for much heavier tone arms, and the shellac discs are much sturdier than vinyl.
They can warp but they are much more resistant to warpage than vinyl is. And typically when they do warp it's not very bad. At least not enough to affect the sound or tracking. After all, the shellac would crack before developing a severe severe warp. Hope this helps.
When you state as a fact "they won't warp" there's no room for misinterpretation nor is it linguistically possible to say "what he really means is that they can warp."
You don’t want to play these kind of records with the needle you have because 1. The needle isn’t thick enough for the record and it will damage your 78s 2. Your needle on your player will wear down much quicker than usual
i found a vintage record library by Victor, Victor Record Lovers Society and Columbia Records but cant identify exactly the records i found as i can see some chinese inscriptions...thanks
"They don't warp" ~~ huh?? Of course they do! Just try storing a stack in an old milk crate, and see what happens to the ones on the bottom after a few years. Or file some vertically in a cardboard box , and look what happens to the ones in the front -- if they are all leaning forward. And in a warm summer attic? Good lock, if they are not kept perfectly flat.
78s don't warp. They're made of a brittle material called shellac. Vinyl LPs and styrene 45s DO warp because of the properties of the material they're made of.
I’m hoping you see this and answer comments. I bought my granddaughter records from the fifties, like the ones I listened to as a child. The records are red,in perfect shape...BUT I bought a vintage Fisher Price phono from eighties (I think) that my children had. The EBay seller assured me it would play 78s, but it will not. 45s and 33s,. Too late to send back. Any ideas?
It is a 1978 Chocolate Brown and Beige one issued by Fisher Price. If I had looked and not taken their word for it, it says 45 and 33 right on box, which I did not get. If you need specific #, I have to get it tomorrow. I have heart failure and I’m bed bound until help comes tomorrow.
Oh my goodness! That is terrible! Praying for your situation and healing… Yes I am familiar with the Fisher-Price unit you speak of actually, I have very fond memories of that unit as it was my first record player! Unfortunately it is only two speed so it will never play at 78. My suggestion would be to invest in an inexpensive suitcase player from Crosley or Victrola as those usually are three speed units.
Fun to watch young folks hitting it with the great 78rpm format. I know you *can* debate back and forth with the size/width of the stylus, but the bottom line here is, as you might have noticed, that the background noise is way too high here with your example, but you're a newcomer and the reason is exactly what others have pointed out, the size of the stylus, that tracks in the bottom of the groove where there's not much tracking going on. The reason for aiming at a larger stylus is to track up along the groove walls, where the curvings and velocity of them is strongest, which again gives you the largest signal to noise ratio. Easy to understand when you get it and from then on, there's no discussion or interpretations. With the electrical recorded 78's from 1925 and onwards there also came equalization curves and a lot of them......which in the end resulted in the industrial standard, RIAA, when the 33rpm full frequency 12" record came out in 1948. Therefore with the right EQ-curve......and you can find them for usage in Audacity if you want to digitize.....and the right stylus riding on the groove walls, you'd get pretty close to HiFi. You'd be amazed of what is possible with good 78-pressings. Amazed I tell 'ya. Some might say, that there isn't much going on above 7-8 KHz......but take some reasonable modern music like the "Arrival"-album from Abba and put it through a high resolution audio spectrum analyzer and you'll find not much going on above 7-8 KHz there either.
Very good points! Agreed 100%. In the years since I posted this video - we have reviewed and thoroughly tested a 1917 VIta-nola phonograph as well as a modern 3mil 78 stylus from Ortofon. th-cam.com/video/0ND2Lus-aCc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/fwzsaRwltOU/w-d-xo.html
Impressive mastery of detail and very very interesting! Extremely informative and great entertainment. Looking forward to the your next show! Keep it coming.
Those records were designed to wear down the needle from an old phonograph. The reproducers on them were very heavy so I'm pretty sure a 78 can stand a modern stylus. But the stylus might get messed up
@@lizichell2 Not at all 500 plays. The steel needles had to be changed after only playing 1 record. The records were designed with abrasive material embedded in the shellac that would wear down the needles. The records didn't take the damage, the needles did. If you used a steel needle more than once, there was a good chance of really ruining your records.
Actually no....the shellac is so durable that the lightweight stylus does no damage. The 78s were designed for very heavy tracking force acoustic tone arms.
skip j king using d's website; most people still believe that the original run of 78s ended in 1959. many, in fact most ,do not know that 78 rpms were available for childrens records in 6 1/2 inch formats up to the mid 1970's! In fact, some 10 inchers were available in special us markets. In addition, beatles 78 rpms were made in india for gramophones where many still had no electrics,in the 1960s!
Anthony Chiappette I have a whole bunch of classical music ones allow org original covers and sleeves, almost all complete sets in good shape that have been cleaned. I have them in every currently but if you wanted to do a deal off there we definitely could. Here is a link to my store: www.ebay.com/usr/lufromu-0?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
+Ian Cameron good question....they can be. Best idea is look on ebay and see what certain titles are going for. Many arent worth but $1 but hold tremendous historical and archeological value.
i would not recommend that turntable because there ceramic cartridge on it does not mach up with the internals creating a very over saturated bad sound . i would recommend an lp60x or any turntable with an audio technica cartridge
never using a 78 disc with that oua is not prepared for those discs it wears out very easily in addition to the possibility of breaking it that pick is only good for 33 or 45 nothing else the pua that you use those discs is much thicker than the one in the video
78 records actually warp quite easily! leave them stacked in a hot attic for a summer and they will get warped! if you even just leave them on a non-even surface in hot sun they will warp! I actually have one record warped so bad you can't play it, it is literally bent at a 90 degree angle from being left half way on a shelf and then left in a hot garage for a couple decades. Yes they are most of the time better at not warping then PVC they still warp easy is not kept right.
@@Recordology I meant what's wrong with "vinyl"... Stupid computer thing autocorrected and spelled "final". Sorry. I was trying to be clever and quote a Joe Walsh song.
Good question technically you should switch from the one mill stylus to the three mill stylus to fully fill the groove of the 78. However if you don’t switch the needle it does no damage but will render a slightly noisier sound. Great question!
This Old Chevy actually I maintain there is nothing wrong with using a micro groove stylus on a 78. No damage to either but you obviously won’t pick up as much detail riding in the bottom of a wide groove.
never using a 78 disc with that oua is not prepared for those discs it wears out very easily in addition to the possibility of breaking it that pick is only good for 33 or 45 nothing else the pua that you use those discs is much thicker than the one in the video
78s ARE susceptible to warping. You will ruin your discs playing them with the wrong needle and I do not think you are very knowledgeable on the subject of 78 RPM gramophone records. Read up on the subject before spouting forth. Thank you.
The start of this vid literally scared me. I am on a desktop, listening on some Sony MDR-1A headphones, and you sounded like you were behind me!
Lol so I've heard this a few times now and I checked it out for myself - wow your not kidding! What surprises me most is how I achieved this - This video was shot on a Samsung J7 with the built in stereo mics. I cannot fathom that device recording spatial audio!
i Litterally turned around to my left, i am wearing a headset and its 01:36 in the night xD i got me a scare
exactly the same for me
@Nathaniel Benicio a trick: put your thumbs up you bootie
Might want to 1. Not touch the grooves too much. 2. Don’t hold it by the edge like that with one hand as the edge can break off in your hand and the rest of the record will fall to the floor and shatter. You’ve likely been lucky so far. Thanks for documenting.
I'm actually better than this when I dont have to run the camera. 😀
Record-ology :-). I’m sure you selected one that would be OK. I’m just imagining the uninitiated getting their happy new 78, picking it up and then to their horror watching it snap off and drop. Great stuff. If you haven’t had a chance to listen on a Victrola, treat yourself. It’s a more different than you might think. I was surprised the first time I heard my grandmother’s Victrola.
Thank you. Good points..
Justin Haynes
3. Played in a like-crosley turntable with a lp needle (78s have a green in the front)
I usually go to the resale store and pick up one or two.
"Mother Machree"- recorded on July 9, 1915.
"Tuxedo Junction"- recorded on February 5, 1940.
I'm a fan of 78rpm records.
Actually 78 rpms all stopped in the mid to late 80s. The last batch were produced in India at that time. Gramophone production still continues today in India based on some of the original Victor and Columbia designs. Parts are also widely available.
Colloquially known as "Crapophones" I believe.....lol
Record-ology indeed. They are crude, and made to look how most people think a gramophone looks with little consideration to how they sound. Such a shame as a good wind up can easily rival electrical equipment and some such as the EMG are even better!
Oh yes shellac does warp ! Just try leaning the disc up against a wall at a 45 degree angle and leaving it in a warm environment for 2 or 3 weeks and then place it on a revolving turntable. I guarantee you will see a double ripple in the surface. To avoid warping, keep the discs in a cool environment (not cold) and stored either flat horizontal or straight up and down vertical without any leaning to the left or right.
I actually have a few 78s that warp, some of them are really bad. But thanks for the advice on to prevent warpage.
I have a lot of these pre-electronic recording records. Chances are that the record you are holding is actually 80 rpm. Each record company at the time had different ideas with the speeds.
True indeed!
Victor acoustic records and early electric ones averaged about 76 RPM, not 78 or 80 RPM. By about 1930 and shortly thereafter the speed pretty much got standardized to 78 RPM, but even after that there was some variances
@@dennman6 Correction. Victor was 76 and Columbia was 80. They averaged them for the standard 78.
I remember going to an Italian party in NYC (when I was about 10 or 11) they put me in charge of changing the needle after about every other record. I also believe it was a WINDUP machine so 78's bring back a LOT of memories (some good and some not so good).
Interesting- thank you for watching!
I remember cleaning out the attic of my moms new home and found a bunch of these kind of records. I knew they were different when i dropped one and it shattered like glass. My best friend and I decided to destroy the rest of them in every way we could think of like dropping on the floor, throwing them like frisbees or at eachother. I now realize my mistake and wish i could have heard what was on thise records. I know for sure I remember a bob hope album cover but the others i cant recall. Yes
Lol I love this comment. Thank you for watching!
lol it made for a good memory i guess!, in early 2020 i found a massive stack of Victor records in the closet at grandma's house, like 40 of them at least, all from the 1910s and 1920s, the one at the bottom of the stack broke in half from the weight while we were getting them out, but thankfully the rest are okay
I love the effort and engineering that went into these it's amazing I have a decca salon 10 gramophone I love it to bits and my shellac records.
I miss the good old days when I could see my music came from a needle riding in a groove; now you can't see anything, just hear it.
Vinyl LP's (and CD's) are returning to life!!
Actually, the major record companies- starting with Mercury- decided to officially discontinue the "78" disc to the general public by the fall of 1958- even though some "78's" were still made for juke box use, and Canadian companies continued to release them through 1960.
Nice posting.
Emil Berliner developed the disc record in the 1880's which helped launch the Victor Talking Machine Co. in 1901. Phonographs at first were cranked by hand with inconsistent speed. Then talking machines improved with wind-up motors and the industry eventually accepted the constant speed of 78rpms. These discs rivalled the old cylinder recordings. When the electronic method of recording became the norm in 1925, it spelled doom for the cylinder machines, which were phased out by 1930. After World War II Columbia Records developed the long playing record at 33.3rpm while RCA Victor technicians developed the 45rpm vinyl record (selling pitch - "unbreakable with normal use"). Stereophonic technology in 1958 shut down the 78 market and American record companies ceased manufacturing these faster spinning discs. A decade later, most phonographs no longer provided the 78rpm speed.
I own a wind-up antique Victrola, vintage 1919, that still works.
Great info! Thank you for watching!
The 78 was invented in 1887
Well, you surprised me. I knew 78's came in 10", 8", and 7", because I owned several of each size growing up. I did not know--or maybe had forgotten--that 78's also came in the 12" size. KEWL!!
After WWII, 78 RPM records were mastered on acetate and pressed in Bakelite or Vinylite. Acetate masters last longer than wax, and shellac became scarce after the war. Besides, the newer resins were considered unbreakable under normal use. An important consideration since record changers were becoming popular at the time.
I would love to get a player that can manage to play 16 inch records
Record companies did not stop pressing 78 rpm records in 1957.. Some record companies continued until around 1960..Countries like the Philippines, South Africa, continued pressing 78's until the late 1960's.. South America stopped pressing 78 rpm records around 1974.. Puerto Rico stop pressing 78 rpm records around 1970
This is fantastic and brilliant.
Found a big stack of these when I was 6 years old. They got destroyed by my mom in a hot brock down car. Im 51 now . Lol . I wish I still had them .
your mom must be ashamed of herself for destroying those records :)
Beautiful video. We have a standing Victorola dated 1913 that my grandfather said his parents bought used in the 60s. I was told his mother was offered a lot of money for some of the records but she declined the offer, I’m glad she did. With her feeling that way it had me under the impression that her parents/my GG grandparents bought it but upon asking as mentioned it was purchased later on.
78s honestly sounds better then vinyl but break so easy
Hi there i would like to ask some opinions here. I had a couple of 78s i wanted to play them of course i don't have a gramophone i want to buy a modern turntable which had 78rpm capability i know that Audio Technica LP-120 had that option but its kinda expensive i already had another Audio Technica turntable i was thinking to buy a crosley type of turntable to play 78 with a different stylus what stylus should i use and is it safe to play the 78s?
78's can warp. I have a collection of them too and I once made up a "book" of records and took them into my Jr. High history class (extra credit) and one of them got left too close to the record player and part of the edge warped.
They won't warp as easy as the later LP's did, but they will warp under the right conditions.
Most of my 78s warp but it didn’t damage the record or music too much it’s only slight. Wouldn’t recomend stacking them on top of each other and put them in a shelf just like you would do with normal vinyl records. And clean them regularly too.
That Victor 78 is called a Bat Wing label. Pre dates the scroll one they used in the 1920s.
Thank you. I also have some Victor 78s with the Bat Wing label that are one sided. No grooves on the reverse.
This channel definitely needs more viewers and subscribers!
Thank you so much!
wow amazing glenn miller sound songs.
Shellac is not parts of bugs. It is the secretion of bugs. The lac insect.
Abcde interesting thank you
The first vinyl was called Victrolac. RCA Victor + lac (but it had no lac). It was made in 1931 for the movie industry for soundies. The first soundies used shellac which always broke.
Very cool - thanks for educating me!
Hi! What type of needle do you recommend for 78 rpm? I have a victrola 6 in 1 and i want to play only 78s on there. Could you recommend a needle/stylus compatible for that?
I actually have yet to try a 78 stylus for a ceramic cart...... I need to.
I shattered my Elvis Love Me Tender 78. I still have the pieces. Got at garage sale back in the 70's. That, I thought, could be my retirement $. Oops! Stay safe.
I’m so sorry!
Ouch! I'm sure that stung!
Great "I Got Stung" reference! Only a true Elvis fan would use that! TCB.
I see that gameboy colour there, but great video helped with my college assignment
Awesome!
To begin with an electrically recorded 78rpm in good condition and played on in period equipment will play virtually noiselessly. Secondly, not all 78rpm records are Shelac. Some were pressed on vinyl or even cardboard. Thirdly, the edges of 78rpm records differ and will not operate with a knife edge auto changer. War time records, like V discs were not shelac. Auto sequencing for auto changers was a common practice from the early 1930''s and were numbered in a five sided set: 1-6 (6 being blank) 2-5, 3-4. Some record albums: Decca, had 4 10' records and 1 12" record. Audiophile produced microgroove 78rpm records. with tracks like an LP. 78/80rpm records came in smaller 8" and 6" sizes. When 45 rpm records were introduced the equivalent 78rpm record was the "master" recording because the faster the recording the better the sound (CD for instance)
There are indeed many variations in format material and size. This early video that I did has a lot of generalizations but overall conveys the basic ideas to newbies. In some of my recent videos we take a deep dive into dedicated 78/3 mill wide groove styli. I also have since acquired a 1917 Vita-Nola phonograph which we have looked at in detail as well
I think Columbia had the worst pressed records. They were more fragile and very noisy, compared to the RCA Victor and Subsidiary BlueBird records. Most of the ones I have sound fantastic, with virtually no noise. Columbia's on the other hound, sound horrific, and some of the ones I own, you can see the cardboard center peeking out through the spindle hole.
I wouldn't recommend playing a 78RPM record on a 3 in 1 turntable, I've learned this myself and would recommend getting an original player on ebay. For some record players you can get a needle made specifically for 78's on a modern turntable. Otherwise good video.
Fair point - the 1 mil stylus rides in the bottom of the groove so it is noisier but no damage is done. Thanks for watching!
They sell dedicated 78 styluses for these record players on ebay for $15.
I play 78's just fine on my Audio Technica LP-120, with an Ortofon 2M True Mono cartridge, designed for playing 78's. I generally track at about 3 grams. I also play them on my TEAC modern stereo system with the plastic turntable and ceramic cartridge which tracks at about 5 grams. They sound great on that as well. I'm not concerned about the heavier 5 gram tracking force, as those old shellac records were designed for much heavier tone arms, and the shellac discs are much sturdier than vinyl.
If you keep showing off 78s, I would suggest getting some 3 mil needles. Great video!
We eventually did...... th-cam.com/video/fwzsaRwltOU/w-d-xo.html
very lucky i’ve never shattered one of mine
78's do warp...
So I have been told - BUT I have yet to actually see one warp - maybe I am lucky?
They can warp but they are much more resistant to warpage than vinyl is. And typically when they do warp it's not very bad. At least not enough to affect the sound or tracking. After all, the shellac would crack before developing a severe severe warp. Hope this helps.
@@Recordology They only warp when they get hot. The sun can do it
They will warp. Put one in your car on a hot day and leave it.
There are classical ten inchers.
Mike B they are less likely to Warp you know what he meant
When you state as a fact "they won't warp" there's no room for misinterpretation nor is it linguistically possible to say "what he really means is that they can warp."
You don’t want to play these kind of records with the needle you have because 1. The needle isn’t thick enough for the record and it will damage your 78s 2. Your needle on your player will wear down much quicker than usual
i found a vintage record library by Victor, Victor Record Lovers Society and Columbia Records but cant identify exactly the records i found as i can see some chinese inscriptions...thanks
"They don't warp" ~~ huh?? Of course they do! Just try storing a stack in an old milk crate, and see what happens to the ones on the bottom after a few years. Or file some vertically in a cardboard box , and look what happens to the ones in the front -- if they are all leaning forward. And in a warm summer attic? Good lock, if they are not kept perfectly flat.
I picked 50 up Sunday they dont warp 😅😅 Flattened at least 15 out with the hair dryer works very well
They don’t warp or scratch in the conventional sense, wood warps too, but the point is these won’t as easily as vinyl or styrene
What do you mean "they won't warp"?? Of course they can -- and do!!
78s don't warp. They're made of a brittle material called shellac. Vinyl LPs and styrene 45s DO warp because of the properties of the material they're made of.
rockabillycat1954 78’s really do warp although not as easily as some vinyl records do.
I’m hoping you see this and answer comments. I bought my granddaughter records from the fifties, like the ones I listened to as a child. The records are red,in perfect shape...BUT I bought a vintage Fisher Price phono from eighties (I think) that my children had. The EBay seller assured me it would play 78s, but it will not. 45s and 33s,. Too late to send back. Any ideas?
Which model is it?
It is a 1978 Chocolate Brown and Beige one issued by Fisher Price. If I had looked and not taken their word for it, it says 45 and 33 right on box, which I did not get. If you need specific #, I have to get it tomorrow. I have heart failure and I’m bed bound until help comes tomorrow.
Oh my goodness! That is terrible! Praying for your situation and healing… Yes I am familiar with the Fisher-Price unit you speak of actually, I have very fond memories of that unit as it was my first record player! Unfortunately it is only two speed so it will never play at 78. My suggestion would be to invest in an inexpensive suitcase player from Crosley or Victrola as those usually are three speed units.
I have that one. "Tuxedo Junction." Infact, I have a stack of those.
Fun to watch young folks hitting it with the great 78rpm format.
I know you *can* debate back and forth with the size/width of the stylus, but the bottom line here is, as you might have noticed, that the background noise is way too high here with your example, but you're a newcomer and the reason is exactly what others have pointed out, the size of the stylus, that tracks in the bottom of the groove where there's not much tracking going on.
The reason for aiming at a larger stylus is to track up along the groove walls, where the curvings and velocity of them is strongest, which again gives you the largest signal to noise ratio. Easy to understand when you get it and from then on, there's no discussion or interpretations.
With the electrical recorded 78's from 1925 and onwards there also came equalization curves and a lot of them......which in the end resulted in the industrial standard, RIAA, when the 33rpm full frequency 12" record came out in 1948.
Therefore with the right EQ-curve......and you can find them for usage in Audacity if you want to digitize.....and the right stylus riding on the groove walls, you'd get pretty close to HiFi. You'd be amazed of what is possible with good 78-pressings. Amazed I tell 'ya.
Some might say, that there isn't much going on above 7-8 KHz......but take some reasonable modern music like the "Arrival"-album from Abba and put it through a high resolution audio spectrum analyzer and you'll find not much going on above 7-8 KHz there either.
Very good points! Agreed 100%. In the years since I posted this video - we have reviewed and thoroughly tested a 1917 VIta-nola phonograph as well as a modern 3mil 78 stylus from Ortofon.
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I got a glenn Miller one from 1940
Impressive mastery of detail and very very interesting! Extremely informative and great entertainment. Looking forward to the your next show! Keep it coming.
You could be damaging the record with that stylus
It tracks at about 5-6 grams and that isn't nearly what those 78s can handle!
Those records were designed to wear down the needle from an old phonograph. The reproducers on them were very heavy so I'm pretty sure a 78 can stand a modern stylus. But the stylus might get messed up
@@lizichell2 Not at all 500 plays. The steel needles had to be changed after only playing 1 record. The records were designed with abrasive material embedded in the shellac that would wear down the needles. The records didn't take the damage, the needles did. If you used a steel needle more than once, there was a good chance of really ruining your records.
Here some good old German WW2 swing from the 1930s played on a 1936 Thorens table: th-cam.com/video/J2LHuFG66sk/w-d-xo.html
Awesome!
Does this work with a regular pick up needle?
theoretically yes, but it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED you buy a special 78 needle, sometimes old record players have a swap-able needle using a little lever
DOESN'T PLAYING THAT RECORD WITH THE WRONG STYLUS RUIN THE RECORD??? AND THE NEEDLE??
Actually no....the shellac is so durable that the lightweight stylus does no damage. The 78s were designed for very heavy tracking force acoustic tone arms.
skip j king using d's website; most people still believe that the original run of 78s ended in 1959. many, in fact most ,do not know
that 78 rpms were available for childrens records in 6 1/2 inch formats up to the mid 1970's! In fact, some 10 inchers were
available in special us markets. In addition, beatles 78 rpms were made in india for gramophones where many still had
no electrics,in the 1960s!
Would you be interested in buying a large lot of 78 rpm records?
Send me an email although I probably couldn’t buy very many right now
What have you got? Although I have several hundred, I'm always looking for more.
Anthony Chiappette I have a whole bunch of classical music ones allow org original covers and sleeves, almost all complete sets in good shape that have been cleaned. I have them in every currently but if you wanted to do a deal off there we definitely could. Here is a link to my store: www.ebay.com/usr/lufromu-0?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
i heard some 78's were made from hard rubber
I have not heard that before
Why were 78 inner grove cut so strange ?
To trigger a primitive auto return or auto-stop.
Wait this song was in a movie called The Irishman
Are the 78 worth anything. I have tons from my mother in pristine condition
+Ian Cameron good question....they can be. Best idea is look on ebay and see what certain titles are going for. Many arent worth but $1 but hold tremendous historical and archeological value.
+Ian Cameron sometimes but rarely...... $1 to $15 is common retail
Yes they are and very popular
Condition is the key factor. Check values in the latest Goldmine catalog.
Jazz blues soul rock is worth something
Big band country bluegrass eat no not more than 1 each
hi what album did you play for us ?
Thank you. I will have to check!
what is the oldest 78 ever recorded?
where can i get that turntable?
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i would not recommend that turntable because there ceramic cartridge on it does not mach up with the internals creating a very over saturated bad sound .
i would recommend an lp60x or any turntable with an audio technica cartridge
never using a 78 disc with that oua is not prepared for those discs it wears out very easily in addition to the possibility of breaking it that pick is only good for 33 or 45 nothing else
the pua that you use those discs is much thicker than the one in the video
They do warp I have some like bananas had to heat them up flatten them out
they can warp in fact i have one that is super warped.
That's what I've heard from some folks now! Thank you for watching!
78 records actually warp quite easily! leave them stacked in a hot attic for a summer and they will get warped! if you even just leave them on a non-even surface in hot sun they will warp! I actually have one record warped so bad you can't play it, it is literally bent at a 90 degree angle from being left half way on a shelf and then left in a hot garage for a couple decades. Yes they are most of the time better at not warping then PVC they still warp easy is not kept right.
Can't they rerecord these down to 33 1/3 or cd.
Hey what's wrong with final? I think it sounds great!
Thank you for watching!
@@Recordology I meant what's wrong with "vinyl"... Stupid computer thing autocorrected and spelled "final".
Sorry.
I was trying to be clever and quote a Joe Walsh song.
I like 78s but diamond dics I love talk about recording history at it best
Awesome!
What is the name of that record?
Do you have change The needle , for 78 ?!
Good question technically you should switch from the one mill stylus to the three mill stylus to fully fill the groove of the 78. However if you don’t switch the needle it does no damage but will render a slightly noisier sound. Great question!
Record-ology if you play a 78 with an LP stylus for a while it will damage the stylus
were you using a .3 mil stylus?
Good question - no - I was using a 1 mil. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Record-ology I’m assuming by now you realize the mistake lol!
This Old Chevy actually I maintain there is nothing wrong with using a micro groove stylus on a 78. No damage to either but you obviously won’t pick up as much detail riding in the bottom of a wide groove.
using a micro groove stylus on a 78 is OK for a few times but you will start noticing wear on the stylus prematurely
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Gracias por mirar y comentar!
@@Recordology oie como estas prro
Ghost World.
I hope you realize that the needle you have on that phonograph is for vinyl. You need a shellac dedicated needle to play these types of records.
never using a 78 disc with that oua is not prepared for those discs it wears out very easily in addition to the possibility of breaking it that pick is only good for 33 or 45 nothing else
the pua that you use those discs is much thicker than the one in the video
For the life of me I just DO NOT understand why people still touch the surface with their fingers instead of holding it by the edges...🙄
I had to stop the video as I couldn't bear to watch him play that Glenn Miller record on that Crosley PoS.
Not a Crosley! And tracking at 5 grams is WAAAAAY lighter than this record was designed to withstand.....
ew, why is it made of bugs??? ☹️
Excretions from the lac bug = shellac
Could've done without the first half. Too much talking. Just tell it to us straight.
Feel free to watch something else....
78s ARE susceptible to warping. You will ruin your discs playing them with the wrong needle and I do not think you are very knowledgeable on the subject of 78 RPM gramophone records. Read up on the subject before spouting forth. Thank you.
Lol