i was an Anglican until i get converted to the Novus Ordo church in 1992. i served as an altar server for 5 years in St Joseph Cathedral Kuching. Although i served the mass, i sense something missing but at that time i dont understand about what i experienced particularly in my spiritual life. This keep going until 2015 that i was exposed to SSPX through the internet and this is what i have been searching for. a clear and precise cathecism( i was poorly cathecised back when i was in the Novus Ordo) makes me grow in knowledge about the true Catholic teaching. i quit attending the Novus Ordo mass early this year because there is no traditional mass offered in my area. Thank you SSPX for helping to find the Catholic faith.
Comet Halley Hello. Are you still in Kuching? TLM is held in Kuching every month now since 2018 and the Priests are from SSPX. Pls contact me for more details. God bless💖💖
@Christus Victor We still pray for the Pope and the diocesan bishop. Secondly, given the whack catechism taught to the faithful in my country, I think it is not the trads who are being guided into oblivion. Anyways, the Latin mass is not offered by anyone but the SSPX in Malaysia. Tradition is alive. God bless
Having gone through this change as an adult back in 1969, it almost destroyed my Faith...I left the church for the couch for 10 years until I found my way back in 1980. I attended an N O church and quickly found out there were already changes in the NO Mass...as time went on more changes were made and they continue today...Thankfully I have found an SSPX Chapel and I had a complete reconversion into my Faith I knew in the 50-60"s... I'm now living and enjoying my Catholic Faith... Now for those who disagree...Let's agree to disagree and act like loving Catholics... "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Robert if you have an FSSP parish near you, I recommend that you attend that one because they are in full communion with Rome. If you don't have one close by, then I understand.
@c'estsi VII I understand is a neo catholic church which is nothing similar to the Church after Trent or VI for that matter. We can see by the fruits what it has produced. Thistle and thorns.
My story is almost exactly the same, as I was a child when the world changed. Even tho as a dumb kid I didn't understand the TLM, but I always knew that the Holy Ghost had descended, and that we were worshipping God in an authentic manner. We went from the ancient chants to vapid folk songs. As kids we had to sing the Theme from Exodus and "Up With People" during our school week Masses. The priests and nuns became confrontational towards us about our "racism" when none of us held such vile beliefs; we were an organic community that had formed around a Catholic church. I became indifferent, then left. My soul was imperiled. By the grace of God, probably by the heavenly intercessor of Lefebvre, who is surely a Saint, was directed to a TLM, and am now a dedicated, fervent Catholic, unto death.
@@ryann2710 Another very important element that you need to understand... the UNA CUM mass... SSPX pronounces the name of Bergogglio in the Canon of the mass.... they probably pronounce the name of the Novus Ordo bishop of their diocesian area.... that is an offense to God.... They recognize Bergogglio to be pope and they mention it in their mass... This is saying to God' I am offering a worship in union with a heretic... a blasphemer, an idolater.... This is a sacrilege..... The priest is in union with a blasphemer....their great priest... who is the main worshipper.... priests are just his substitute in the world.... It is like paying a ticket to fly on a plane in direction to Rome.... the Novus ordo Sect.
Go to Mass. do not take this priests advice on committing mortal sin by skipping your obligation. He isn’t the magisterium. Just bc we may not like to new mass it isn’t a reason to send ourselves to hell. Sad that only one media site has called this video out. This is something someone like Gerry Matatics would’ve put together.
No he is not the magisterium but he is clearly following it better than you are. You can't use false "obedience" to dismiss the protestantization of the new mass and the harmful affects it has on people's souls. The new Mass is a protestant service that should be avoided at all costs.
I hope no one takes your advice, its not a matter of whether one likes the new "mass" or not,its a lot more complicated than that,one example of this is that the new "mass" is a meal while the true mass is a sacrifice.
Penelope Jones and yet it’s valid and licit and is the Mass. whether we like it or not and if you miss your Sunday obligation it’s a mortal sin. His advice sounds like a sedevacantist position that’ll bring folks to hell. To say the mass is sinful, as they do in their prayer book, is stupid
@@SensusFidelium of course its a mortal sin to not fulfill your sunday obligation i never said otherwise, its dangerous for you to say that all new " masses" are valid, no he doesnt sound like a sedevacantist, i think more research is needed on your behalf,its odd that your comment comes across as though you hold a very anti-sspx position and yet you dont seem to know a lot about them
I started attending the TLM 3 years ago and I only go to NO when no other option remains. There are some really sincere--and ignorant--Catholics who attend and we have to be careful not to judge. I feel blessed that I live 10 mins away from an FSSP latin mass parish. It has been a true re-awakening of my faith.
You have another problem before your eyes.... FSSP believes that Bergogglio is a pope.... Another condition for going to heaven is obedience to a pope... If you believe that he is a pope, than you must obey him, submit to him.... You must submit to the man who says: 'There is no Catholic God, that promulgates idolatry in Rome, that blasphemes Christ, Mary, St John the Baptist.... To say : Bergoglio is a pope and disobey him is to be schismatic..... If you feel blessed to be close to a community that is schismatic, than you really have a problem: confusion.
@@giseleademers Mate, would you refuse submission to Saint Pope Peter because he denied our Lord 3 times? Was this not a horrible offence against Christ:? And yet, we wouldn't draw such a conclusion as that he wasn't the first pope.
@@ALMEYTRIX she believed in modernist sedevacantist cult. Which can't be traced in traditions. Only a thesis by St. Robert Bellarminus and some personal dream regarding apostasy of Pope. Horrible, they're worst than Orthodox who at least show a respect to Bishop of Rome.
I personally think that this video is a serious potential threat to the salus animarum. Before suggesting the faithful to stay at home or to attend the Novus Ordo Mass passively, I would be VERY VERY careful.
I choose to go to Traditional Latin Mass every Sunday and sometimes on weekdays. For that purpose I drive approx 45 minutes one way. Having said that I must notice that if I understand you well you are encouraging people to commit mortal sin by skipping the Sunday Mass if it is only the NO Mass that is available to them. If they listen to you and choose not to attend they commit a mortal sin and it is partially on you Father. The New Mass is a valid Mass. It may be not licit when you consider St Pius' V "Quo Primum" - I do not know, but it nonetheless is a valid Mass. It is true, that the NO Mass even when offered in a pious way is much much less reverent than the TLM - there is no discussion about it, but as long as valid words of consecration are pronounced by validly ordained priest who is willing to consecrate and it all happens over the proper matter it constitutes a valid Mass. I will pray for you Father and for the people that they do not take your advice and attend Sunday Mass even if NO is the only option they have.
I agree althoufh i do mot claim to be sure either eat. Noone know for sure but God himself. I attend mass daily. I attend the new mass as well as the old latin mass and occasionally byzantine mass. There are eastern catholic churches with another handful of different liturgies...byzantine, marionite..melckite etc. Im sure i butchered spelling sorry
Jon Clarkson Went To Ukrainain Right for 20 Yrs ,when they changed the Consecration Words .they changed the form and you need proper mater form and intention for a valid sacrament . The enemy has changed everything. The ,mass ,canon law ,eliminated most of our Saint ,alters communion ,rails ,Marian devotion ,communion before confession on and on and on and on ,there is not much left of our Catholic faith since Vatican 2 Wake up and smell the roses we have been had by Vatican 2.May GOD HAVE MERCY ON US...
@@tradpro7485 Do you know if this happened in the Byzantine rite too? I am from the Latin rite, but where I leave there is only Novus Ordo in a 1,5-2 hours by car radius. There is 1 Byzantine rite mass, which is in an N.O. church and some things seem suspicious.
I enjoy going to the Tridentine Mass with the SSPX. However, telling people that if they cannot go to an SSPX chapel, then they should not go to Holy Mass on Sunday IS SO WRONG; THAT IS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COMMIT MORTAL SIN. Estefania Gutierrez Bonilla ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
"if anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema."- Council of Trent Session 22, canon 7
The Novus Ordo isn't Protestant and doesn't deny Catholic dogmas. It explicitly calls the Mass a sacrifice (cf "may the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands"), includes praying to Mary (cf "therefore I ask blessed Mary ever virgin... To pray for me to the Lord our God"), etc
If you think that is sufficient to exemplify Catholic Doctrine… There are protestants who venerate Mary and ask for her prayers too. There are protestants that believe the mass is a sacrifice, as do the Schismatic orthodox. I am no Sede and think of the position as sinful but Fr. Cekada’s work on the NO is good.
The Council of Trent declared that promulgated Missal cannot lead to damnation: "if any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema".
@@stthomasmore4811 no essential contradiction in Trent and V.2. If you read the documents correctly. One thing that they can't be contradicted was the fact that V2 is a pastoral council and Trent was a dogmatic council. It's just different
@@marcelhuntyupwalukow5005 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wrong. I have read the documents and there are contradictions. Even Benedict said Vat2 was a counter-syllabus
Lets see what the Council of Trent also says: Council of Trent, Session XXII CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the VULGAR TOUNGE only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema. So we are left with a dilemma; The Church cannot promulgate a Mass that is inherently a danger to souls, but at the same time it holds that celebrating the vernacular tounge only is also to be anathema. It seems to me that the “danger to the faith” here would mean an invalid consecration of the Eucharist as participating in such is sacrilege. The SSPX does not hold that the New Mass invalidly consecrates the Eucharist but that it downplays Catholic doctrine and is prone to massive abuses. It’s either that or accept the Orthodox position on the Papacy which is historically illiterate.
@@lieutenant-uj2fm The statement from Tent doesn't say a liturgy in the vernacular tongue is anathema. It is anathematizing the belief that "the Mass should only be done in the vernacular"
I went to a Novus Ordo mass I believed to be reverent and beautiful when I was younger and I asked the Holy Ghost if there could be anything more beautiful, in a week He had me at the Latin Mass, not joking. I was raised in the NO mass not knowing of the Latin growing up, it was hard at first to transition for a month I went to NO mass on Saturdays and LM on Sundays. This juxtaposition made it all the more evident where the beauty lied.
Wild Bear I went to both masses for awhile. Then I would go to Latin mass for a couple weeks exclusively. Then I would miss friends and go to NO mass only to be horrified. One thing that bothers me is Eucharistic ministers, and I was one once 20 years ago.
@@Christian-lm6qh I would have said a year ago that I would have been willing to attend a NO mass, but then I got a job at a Catholic School this past year. After having to go to the mass every Wednesday and being absolutely horrified. Things became so clear. The were EM, people receiving Our Lord who were not catholic and/or not living the Catholic lifestyle, they did Liturgical dance, etc. I had to keep my head down to get through it. My students knew the music was torture to me. I honestly can say I never want to go to another NO mass ever again. I hate the thought of being in a desperate situation. It is why I can completely understand where the SSPX is coming from now. I grew up in NO, so I bought the lie and discrimination disobedience story they tell us. I am sad to say even a little after I started to attend. I slowly claimed to be a sympathizer and denied that they were schismatic, but just an irregularity. Now with everything that is coming from the Vatican, I can see they were a blessing from God. A mercy truthfully. Sorry it was so long of a response. I wouldn't bother reading it if I saw something this long.
You do not go to mass because it is beautiful or reverent.... you go to mass to worship God.... and you must make sure that the mass you go to does exactly that.... offer a worship to God.... a worship that pleases him. You don't go to mass for your satisfaction.... that is protestant and novus ordo atittude... The worship of man in the novus ordo sect... all centered on man.... The true mass (that is not in union with Bergogglio) even if it is Latin, is centered on God....and towards him.
@@giseleademers the True Mass is with union with current Pope, His Holiness Francis. God elected him the same way he elected St. Peter and his successors. He didn't let the Church without a shepherd, if the Church is with a shepherd, He will guide him and will not let err comes. Of course personal and material heresy can come through the person because we are all men, nobody' perfect besides Christ and His mother.
Came across this, which is something I remember being taught many years ago, about 50 or so. The Church has continued to reassert this teaching, especially in those times of crisis. In the Middle Ages, when clerical laxity was a problem in some areas, St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1224) taught, “The sacrament is not wrought by the righteousness of either the celebrant or the recipient, but by the power of God” (Summa Theologiae, III, 68, 8). In response to the objections of certain Protestant Reformers, the Council of Trent in its Decree on the Sacraments (1547) declared, “If anyone says that a minister in the state of mortal sin, though he observes all the essentials that belong to the performing and conferring of the sacrament, does not perform or confer the sacrament, anathema sit [“let him be condemned”]. Finally, the Catechism asserts, “From the moment that a sacrament is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and His Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister” (#1128). In all, the Church’s teaching is really spiritual common sense. Christ who instituted the sacraments must be the one who actually works the sacrament, thereby giving us the assurance that the sacrament has indeed worked and conveyed the grace it signifies. If the efficacy depended upon the human minister, how could anyone of us be assured that the sacrament worked and we received the promised grace? Such assurance is not humanly obtainable. Nevertheless, priests must strive always to be worthy ministers of the sacraments they celebrate, acting in a state of grace and reflecting the Christ in whose person they act. I got it from catholicstraightanswers.com/if-a-priest-is-in-the-state-of-mortal-sin-can-he-still-offer-the-mass-and-perform-the-other-sacraments/ I know it is talking about Mortal Sin , but would it apply the same in this case? ALSO- For those Catholics who after watching this video have decided to stay away from Mass, may I suggest you invest just 8 more minutes and watch this video, if only to get an informed apologetic against the SSPX argument. I am only a Lay Catholic and am certainly no theologian: But when someone tells me that it is better to stay home and pray, than go to Mass that do not agree is Mass, I must take them very seriously indeed. I must investigate to the best of my ability in a Spirit of prayer whether to discard what I am being told or to accept it. My eternal salvation may well depend on my choice ( God only knows ). I can only now now go with my conscience, after a deep examination, to consider that I am still in the Faith. I believe that I am, I also believe that the SSPX argument is mistaken and invalid. Like I said earlier, I am not a theologian : This is my story, it is up to you to ensure as best you can, that you are in the truth. Pray Much To Jesus, to Mother Mary, your Guardian Angel and your Patron Saint . . Finally, I know this may sound a little obvious, but I think a reminder will do no harm - Thinking the Truth and doing the Truth will lead me to knowing the Truth. Just thinking and talking it will get me a place in a very, very large percussion band, Pax Christi
You are better off not attending an English Mass.Seek out a Tridentine Mass.Make a Spiritual Communion. God would be more pleased that you made a Spiritual Communion at home rather then going to the English New Mass where people are offending the Eucharistic king by receiving in the hand and participating in other abuses.
@@Loudes012 even not knowing that Christ is offended, it's better to go to mass for me. I attend Mass very passive in New Ordo. I don't think it's danger to the faith if you already know and understand what is the barrier that must not be done. For communion in hands, it's a pastoral reason not against the dogma, although it opens dangers to the faith and decrease the reverent, but TLM has its own problem by not allowing 2 kinds of communion. In opposing Council of Constance and Trent which is gone too far at least for 500 hundred years, neither both kinds or one kind of communion solve the dogmatic problem to those who don't believe in transubstantiation (protestants) That's why, for me, eventhough that Traditional Mass is a way much more reverent than New mass, both must be re-codified like adding the prayer, keep the priest' gestures, dissallowing extraordinary ministers, loud consecration, and most important 2 kinds of communion. At least Anglican Ordinariate Mass is the closest one and be an example of recodifying the mass.
3:14 This explicitly encourages Catholics to commit mortal sin by not going to mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation even when mass is available. Further, the video twists the words of the Catechism concerning what to do when attendance at mass is IMPOSSIBLE in order to fit a situation where a Catholic prefers not to attend his local church because TLM is not available or worse he PERSONALLY believes the sermon endangers the faith. Tell me are we all to decide for ourselves which Church interpretations of Holy Scripture endangers the faith? Seems like a very Protestant idea to me. I have one last question left for my irregular brethren of the SSPX: Habetus mandatum apostolicum?
I think this would be true for some very hard to understand concepts of our Faith. But when it comes to comparing the new mass with the old one, it is quite clear that if you have a true Sensus Fidei and know your Faith, you will know to stay away from clowns and pachamama at the altar.
@@Deuterocomical I'd answer if I knew for certain that your question was sincere. But I can't tell if it's a sincere question or an attempt on your part to create another opening in order to hurl another ad hominem.
Remember old latin and novus ordo are not the only 2 lityrgiea that exist. Theres byzantine, marionite, melckite, and others liturgies from eastern rites in communion with pope of rome. Excuse my spelling
So, it seems one of the things stated is that the Novus Ordo, even if celebrated correctly and with the hermeneutic of continuity, still leads to error and impiety? Well, what about this? "If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema." Council of Trent, Session XXII, Canon 7
After recently returning to the catholic faith. This video explains alot, like with the influx of protestant ideology, and my dissatisfaction with the new mass.
God Bless the SSPX. It is a really unfortunate situation that there is a liturgy that the hierarchy begs to call it catholic and beg to equate it to the fullness of Catholicism found in the Latin mass so much that they want to ban it. Every time you visit a novus ordo in different churches, they each have their own flavor of convenience and comfort ability ranging from High Anglican like service to Calvinist Protestant. I recommend anyone to read the most questions about the sspx as this book answers the crisis deeper. Ottaviani intervention, and time bombs of the second Vatican council. As they have said the Catholic Church CANNOT harm the souls of the faithful, you are NOT OBLIGED to attend this new mass, as it is dangerous to the faith. Think of the Sacrifices of Cain and Abel. Abel sacrificed the fattest lamb and offer it to the Lord and he was so pleased! Cain offered crops for sacrifice and he was not pleased; both sacrifices were valid but one pleased God. Cain ends up killing Abel, we are living this today and it saddens me that the hierarchy of the church is so badly attached to the spirit of Vatican II’s apostasy to limit and take the TLM out of existence. We must pray for our hurting church!! Pray pray pray for reparation due to sacrileges and sins committed every day worldwide ! God bless the SSPX, if anything this is the society truly following and teaching what the church have taught since the beginning; being loyal and setting a true example of the church. While they are not infallible nor perfect, the Holy Ghost is still guiding them, and is helping the church spread!
this is one of my favorite SSPX videos because of the Freudian slip between 3:00-3:40 he says the New Mass is an offense to God and given that, the Church recommends not to attend it so as to not endanger their faith wait, which Church is telling us that the New Mass is an offense to God and gives a dispensation for our Sunday obligation so as to not attend it? it's not the so called "Vatican II Church" it's the SSPX. the Freudian slip is that he is calling the SSPX "the Catholic Church" and the organization that tells us the NO is not an offense to God and that it is your normative way for Sunday obligation is not "the Church"
@Nathan Wilson I never support the Popes new agendas. Infact I am a traditionalist myself. I am stating that the SSPX told to skip Sunday mass altogether if you can't attend the Latin mass. So they are telling you to skip the sunday obligation and do mortal sin. Also even the Catholic Church teaches that you can attend the orthodox mass under circumstances where you can't attend the catholic mass to fulfill the sunday obligation. Where as the SSPX tells its ok to if you skip Sunday obligation altogether. Thats their error. FSSP on the other hand never says such errors.
no you are not skipping the sunday obligation.... You miss mass when there is a mass to miss.... if there is no valid mass that gives grace, you cannot sin by missing mass.... You stay at home, you do your prayers, you pray your rosary.... you consecrate your Sunday to God and to rest. No, you cannot go to an orthodox mass... because again....they are schismatics and heretics... that is an offense to God... The sacraments belong to the true Roman Catholic Church... they are outside the Catholic Church...
"One is dispensed from attending mass on Sunday or a holy day..." Um, excuse me. Says who? Which document do you cite? A letter from the Pope? When was it written and disseminated? Support your seemingly heretical assertions with actual documentation from the Church, and please omit the response "because Lefebvre".
@zadose it is not enough to avoid the spiritual damage of the new Mass. because Mass is a public act, the public act par excellence of the Catholic Church. an example: if your State declares war tomorrow to another state, with a law that is public, you cannot say that the effects of this law do not concern you because you are against that law and that war ... and the enemy bombs will fall to you in the head equally. A greeting. In Christo et Maria.
@Remember Lord Jesus Pray the Rosary Looks like the Holy Spirit fell asleep only to find out that the whole 1.2 billion members of Catholics are worshiping God wrongly.... Now, for Damage Control, the Holy Spirit sends Lefebvre as the new Redeemer... 😂😂😂
@@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337 Arians are Arians...When Arians are attacking the Churches, no Saint dare to call the church SSPX...😂😂😂. The church remain Catholic and called Cahtolic despite being Few in numbers....
@pinoy sarisari So did during the Arian heresy when almost all priests, bishops and even papal claimant/antipope were arians and almost all faithful became apostate by embracing the arian heresy. Yes, God use intrument to resist the heresies and during the ”Arian Heresy” - God use St Athanasius to redeem the Christian world from this grave heresy and only few support St Athanasius position. But today St Athanasius is celebrated as the Father and hero of Orthodoxy. Stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit. God doesn’t sleep yet He allow deception for those who don’t seek the truth. Truth is not about numbers. The bible didn’t teach that many are saved anyways. Read the entire 2 Thessalonians and St Paul clearly commands the faithful to ”Hold fast to the Tradition.” [2Thess. 2:14-16] to avoid deception. The ”new mass” is based on the protestant liturgy. God is not present there.
@@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337 LOL...Did St. Athanasius BLASPHEME God by Changing the Name of the Church to SSPX?? The Last time I check, the name of the True Church REMAINED Catholic....Not SSPX....The name SSPX is a Blasphemy... St. Athanasius of Alexandria said... "Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ." ----St. Athanasius of Alexandria
I’m going to post another comment here... Our Faith calls for sacrifice, so if a TLM is not close to you, you might choose to move. Getting a new job and new friends is much easier than getting into Heaven. The gate is narrow.
So? we must ignore the catholic teaching just coz our "feelings". The NOM change the no just the intention but also the form, even the form of the Ordination whats makes the NOM has a defect of minister, form and intention.
Even not knowing that Christ is offended, it's better to go to mass for me. I attend Mass very passive in New Ordo. I don't think it's danger to the faith if you already know and understand what is the barrier that must not be done. For communion in hands, it's a pastoral reason not against the dogma, although it opens dangers to the faith and decrease the reverent, but TLM has its own problem by not allowing 2 kinds of communion. In opposing Council of Constance and Trent which is gone too far at least for 500 hundred years, neither both kinds or one kind of communion solve the dogmatic problem to those who don't believe in transubstantiation (protestants) That's why, for me, eventhough that Traditional Mass is a way much more reverent than New mass, both must be re-codified like adding the prayer, keep the priest' gestures, dissallowing extraordinary ministers, loud consecration, and most important 2 kinds of communion. At least Anglican Ordinariate Mass is the closest one and be an example of recodifying the mass.
+RemnantWatch It's great that you like the N.O. It's every and easily accessible. It also makes you like 90% of church goers. Why does he have to go to your mass? You don't have to go to his. You can do all the new church things and even embrace all sorts of heterodox ideas. You'll find somewhere to accommodate you. I'm sure that if you live in a big enough city you can find a N.O. Mass said by a woman. Note; I wm not accusing you of wanting those things. I understand your position as I once held it myself. I am also not saying you are a bad Catholic. You are probably much better than I am with things. But traditionalists are not storm troopers taking your new mass away. It's actually the opposite. Even with the Motu Proprio you still have bishops who won't allow for the mass of all ages in their diocese. I simply ask that you let such people be.
The reason the New Mass is not pleasing to God is for several reason. Let us examine the words of Our Lady of La Sallete. Approved by Popes Pius IX and Leo XIII, yet virtually concealed for 70 years, the Secret of La Salette read in part: " . . . The Vicar of my Son will have much to suffer, as, for a time the Church will be the victim of great persecutions: this will be the hour of darkness. The Church will suffer a terrible crisis . . . "The Holy Father will suffer greatly. I will be by his side to the end in order to receive his sacrifice. The wicked will make several attempts on his life but they cannot harm him. But neither he nor his successor [here, Melanie inserted in parentheses the words, ‘who will not reign long’] will live to see the triumph of the Church of God . . . "Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist . . . "The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay." In the early 50´s, several freemasons were ordained as priests into the Church. The reason is because they wanted to destroy the Church from within. Anabala Bugnini, who was a well known freemason, was one of these freemasons. Anabala was the one who wrote and codified the Novus Ordo Missae, which was made to strip away all sense of true Catholicism from the Mass. And in the words of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, even if celebrated with reverence, will always be illicit due to the impregnation of Protestantism in it.
¨ You may even find that understanding what you are saying and the priest is saying to be somewhat pleasing.¨ This line alone shows everything wrong with the Novus Ordo. You are going by what pleases you and not God. ¨Pleasing¨ Is a word the devils use to tempt and rectify the souls into sin and Hell. The Mass is not there for you, it is there for God. Latin is the mother tongue of the Church and always will be. A mass not spoken in Latin is a Mass illict and grave.
One question that I would like to ask the „swarm intelligence“ (please give me a polite answer and no reproaches such as „you are a modernist“-I really would like to know): -is this the official and general position of the SSPX or is it just the personal assessment of this one priest? I am asking because I know that even the SSPX don’t hold that the Novus Ordo Mass is „invalid“ per se. Plus, at the FSSP we were told multiple times that Catholics even *have to* attend a Novus Ordo Mass in order to fulfill the Sunday obligations if there is no TLM available. (And don’t tell me now how „modernist“ the FSSP is. I know all these killer arguments. I would just like to have an answer to this question.)
Dear Elikai, Thanks for your question. It really is the official and general position of the SSPX. We hold that, although not all the Masses offered according to the new rite are invalid, it does "depart in a striking manner overall as well as in detail from the Catholic theology of the Holy Mass" and for that reason is bad in itself. The SSPX priests do not celebrate Mass according to the new rite, and they do not encourage anyone to take an active part in such a Mass. The SSPX holds that it would be better not to go to Mass on Sunday rather than to assist actively at a Mass offered in the new rite. They argue that the new rite of the Mass, since it stems from ecumenism and a new theology, at odds with the Theology of the Council of Trent, represents a danger to the Faith, and therefore cannot be the object of an obligation. The Law of the Church is ordered to the salvation of souls, and so a law obliging us to assist at a rite which put our souls at risk would be an unjust law, lacking any binding force. I do hope that helps. Further information can be found in the SSPX Crisis in the Church Podcast series, episodes 23-26. Please be assured of my prayers, Fr. P. Franks
There is no document that stipulates about NO directly... but the Church laws says that if you are more than one hour of driving distance from a true catholic mass....you are not entitled to go.... if you are ill..... weather conditions.... Bishop Sanborn has a sermon that explains all this. Go on www.mostholytrinityseminary.org..... I invite you to listen to his sermons... You will learn a lot....
I really appreciate your advice about our Sunday Mass obligation in regards to the norvus ordo Mass. I attend the TLM now. However, as we all realize, the Latin Mass will probably be discontinued by Francis within a year or two. I have been struggling with what to do when that happens. I assume you have the authority to decree that the norvus ordo can be passed by faithful Catholics who realize and understand that it is heretical and inimical to our faith.
Yeah, the SSPX has no universal authority to dispense you from your obligation to attend Mass. This is a dangerous and schismatic distortion of the truth they are spreading. Here is the what the Catechism actually teaches about the Sunday obligation: 2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."117 "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."118 2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin. 2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
@@NoahBradon yes but the canon law itself can dispense you exactly as you quoted. Although I disagree with SSPX about this, but I can clearly understand the reason for this. And one thing for sure, it's not an official SSPX positions, its just a general attitude of SSPX.
3:07 "the new mass is an offense to God" This statement has been anathematized by doctrine. "If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema." Twenty Second Session General Council of Trent, On the Doctrine of the Sacrifice of the Mass, Chapter IX, Canon VII. Some of you no doubt will balk at this statement, but ask yourself the following: Is this doctrine valid? Does it apply to all masses that of the Catholic Church? Was the Mass of Pope Paul VI promulgated by the Catholic Church? If the answer to those questions is yes, then the SSPX needs to repent of this statement and pull down this video.
I'm no expert on Canon law or Church history, but I do know the document you cited was written to defend the Tridentine Mass! At the time the document was written there wasn't a Catholic Rite that reminds many people of protestant liturgy.
@@andang7005 I think the principle held within this anathema is equally applicable. This principle is that it is not the place of the laity or a society of priests to say that a mass ordained by the holy see is impious. The protestants, laity and clergy, were saying the mass was impious in the 16th Century. Now, you have another group of laity and clergy declaring a mass impious. I think they run afoul of the same anathema.
@@Desert-Father but this Novus Ordo mass is indeed impious, one doesn't have to be intelligent as Einstein to see that. The new mass is based on new theologies and new doctrines, and if those are impious, could the Mass possibly be pious? When the authors of the council of Trent wrote the document you cited above, could they ever have imagined that one day a Catholic Pope would put a Buddhist idol on top of an altar, which is exactly what happened in 1986? Therefore, I don't think the principle is "equally applicable" to this situation, unless the new mass is as reverent or more reverent than the Tridentine Mass. Edit: the protestants said the Mass was impious, but what mass were they talking about? So unless the SSPX is saying the same mass condemned by protestants (that is to say, the Latin Mass) is impious, that's not a fair and just comparison.
@@andang7005 You know the thing about doctrine is that its applicable to all time. So, your effort to contain this doctrine to just the 16th Century is ironically modernist. Again, the point is that it is not for any lay person or society of priests to determine whether a mass is impious or pious. The Church through its Magisterium promulgated a mass. It is anathema for a faithful believer to declare a mass promulgated by the Church impious. That is doctrine proclaimed by the very same council you seek to defend.
@@Desert-Father you asked "does this doctrine apply to all masses that of the Catholic Church?". I think it applies to all the rites recognized by the Church AT THAT TIME. The Novus Ordo was created half a Millennium after this doctrine.
I can tell you from my experience: I am hypersensitive. By that I dont mean I cry a lot or I cry when I step on a bug. It means I can differentiate the spirits. I can tell if one house or space is good or bad spirited. Now the important thing: When I first attended TLM I felt immense presence of Holy Ghost. I dont feel anything near that at NO mass. In fact, I'm not sure Holy Spirit is even present at NO. That enough, if you beleive me, should tell you that maybe or probably, NO mass is not valid. If it was valid, why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be present at NO? I am seriously thinking of accepting this "radical" advice and never attend NO again.
@@davidfigueroa8188 if you refer to the Greek Catholic liturgy, then you are Catholic but polluted like the Latin and Chaldean and Maronite ones etc ... because the Vatican Council and the news concern the entire Catholic Church
@@davidfigueroa8188 the liturgy reform particularly concerned the Latin rite, but not exclusively. in fact a few years ago I went to a Greek Catholic Mass and there were many elements of prayer of the news of the Latin Mass. the iconastasis remains like a veil, but otherwise the underlying doctrine is that of the Council. moreover, the full legitimacy of the Mass depends both on the object, the rite celebrated and on the subject, the teaching learned and spread by the priest and in the latter case for the very close relationship between priest and Mass. moreover, the Eastern churches have the canonical position in the Church, for having accepted the contents of the Council and the only order that has no canonical position in the whole universal Church, Latin and not, is the sspiox. regards.
The difference between the betrayal of St Peter and Bergoglio is like night and day.... Peter betrayed because he believed in himself and not in the assistance of God and Christ allowed it to happen in order to maintain him in humility.... Peter did not betray because he of lack of faith... As a matter of fact, Christ warned him that he would do so.... but that he prayed for him so that he would not lose the faith... and once he was back on his feet , so to speak, he was called to strenthen his brethrens in the faith.... Bergogglio is not a pope.... but an anti pope.... and we cannot recognize as pope someone who does not hold the faith... but someone who is nothing else but a socialist, promulgating social justice ideologies for these exact reasons... This is man is a communist.... He blasphemes God, promulgate doctrines that are in complete contradiction to the teachings of true Catholic Faith... promulgate Vatican II which is a complete apostasy.... He uses the Catholic religion as a tool to gain is means of socialism.... in the light of Freemasonry.... His last encyclical.... on fraternity is a total promulgation of Freemason precepts.
3:11 Too bad the SSPX has zero authority to dispense the faithful of their obligation, so you either need to back up this claim with a church document, or stop overstepping your bounds of authority.
@@Seethi_C you are correct the Church cannot teach heresy. This is a huge post so brace yourself, I have checked it for grammar and spelling to make things easy. I feel that you are a faithful Catholic, but you are making mistakes that I once made until I learned true Church history and teaching. I will first explain then I will cite official infallible Church teaching and the sources so you do not have to take my word for it since I am just a random guy on the internet. This is going to be shocking and hard to believe, it will be painful for any good Catholic, but I am giving you my sources so you do not have to take my word for it and know it to be true. The novus ordo does teach heresy and is therefore not from the Church. This seems very contradictory and confusing because on the surface it appears the Church gave us the novus ordo with Vatican II. So the answer is Vatican II is also not from the Church, because Vatican II also teaches heresy. ( just one of multiple heresy taught by Vatican II is indifferentism. Vatican 2 teaches that man is free to follow any religion he deems to be true in the light of his reason and conscience. This is the heresy of indifferentism. This was condemned by the Council of Trent and by Pope Pius the 9th in the Syllabus of Errors and also condemned by multiple other Popes, the only religion you're allowed to follow is the one True Faith, outside of which there is no salvation) This also seems contradictory and confusing, because the point of a Council is to be the official teaching infallible Magisterium of the Church which is preserved from heresy and error. So how can a council possibly teach error? The answer is Vatican II was a fake Council and it has happened before in Church history, in 1413 the second Council of Constance ( also called the Council of Pisa) taught that a council can hold more authority than the Pope. The second Council of Constance was formerly condemned as heresy by Pope Gregory the 12th in 1415, because no one, and nothing, not even all the Bishops united against the Pope have more authority than the Pope who was made head of the Church by Christ Himself. Matthew chapter 16 verse 19 Christ gives Peter the keys to the kingdom. So how did the second Council of constance even happen? The Habsburgs, a very powerful family in Europe who controlled multiple Kings, played politics to try to get rid of a Pope they did not like. They bribed and threatened Bishops into forming the second Council of Constance and they taught the heresy that they had more authority than the Pope, with the hopes of overthrowing the Pope who they did not like having more power than them. So how did Vatican II ever happen? It was predicted and prophesized by Church approved Apparition Our Lady of La Salette also called Our Lady of good success that in the 20th century a Council from hell would lead many from the one True Faith as punishment from God for sins against purity, and that the priesthood would become a cesspool of impurity with almost no good Bishops or priests. I don't think I need to point out to you the gay Mafia that controls the Church and has sexually abused countless children all through the 20th century and still continues today, obviously fulfilling the prophecy. The second Vatican Council was authored by Freemasons and Communists, and the novus ordo was created publicly with the advice and teaching of six Protestants (Archbishop Bugnini who created the novus ordo was investigated by Pope Paul the 6th after Vatican II and found to be a Freemason and banished from Rome) they purposely designed the novus ordo with the help of six Protestants based on the false theology that the community of Believers, the people, are the ones who offer the mass and not the priest, which is also a heresy condemned by the Council of Trent which teaches the priest offers the Mass. Pope Paul the 6th officially declared that the second Vatican Council was not infallible, that it was not an ecumenical council but a pastoral Council. So simply put, the novus ordo does in fact teach heresy because it was designed by Freemasons, Communists, and Protestants and officially teaches communion theology which was condemned by the Council of Trent. Also Pope Paul the 4th infallibly declared that anyone whether Pope bishop or priest publicly professes heresy he immediately loses his office and is no longer Catholic and is excommunicated De facto without any action from the Church. (Same thing if somebody gets an abortion or advises or consents to it. They de-facto excommunicate themselves) So if your Bishop becomes a heretic, like denying canon law 915 that a public manifest grave sinner cannot receive communion as Cardinal Dolan of New York has done, and he refuses to be corrected, then he is no longer the bishop and you can tell him if to his face. Cardinal Dolan have refused to repent or be corrected and is therefore no longer the bishop of New York without any action from the Church and has excommunicated himself. He is just one example, there are unfortunately countless Bishops like him. Therefore the people who gave us Vatican 2 and the novus ordo were not Catholic, the Church cannot teach heresy, and Vatican II will one day be overturned and condemned just as the second Council of Constance was by Pope Gregory the 12th in 1415. Here is a link to Pope Paul the 4th and his infallible Cum Ex Apostolic Officio teaching on Heretics in the Church, and how they lose their office. www.dailycatholic.org/cumexapo.htm
The SSPX is not dispensing anyone, they are quoting what the Church has always taught. The Church has always taught you cannot attend a Mass where the priest is a heretic, or heresy is preached. And if you live too far away to make it to Mass, you are dispensed. People in missionary territory for example. This was all taught by the Church since the early Church times, SSPX didn't make this up. Source, the catechism.
@@Steve_Milo Where has the Church said you are dispensed if the priest is a heretic? Plus, this SSPX priest said in this video that the Mass being a Novus Ordo is enough to be dispensed, regardless of preaching quality
Where exactly do you get the idea that one is dispensed from Mass because there is no access to the TLM? While the Novus Ordo is far inferior to the TLM, it can not be said that it is not valid, which granted was not stated in the video but is implied by the notion that is should be avoided to the extent of missing one's Sunday obligation.
That is not implied in the video. In the video he clearly says that you are dispensed from the obligation when the Mass is harmful to you; he is not referring to sacramental validity. We know there are a variety of reasons the obligation can be dispensed even for valid Masses. The SSPX is making the claim that being the NO is one of those reasons beause of its danger to the faith. They are NOT advising anyone to commit mortal sin, but arguing it would not be a sin. I see where they're coming from, but there are some priests (rarely) who do the NO in such a way that I can't believe they are offending God. Not sure what to think.
@@TheArrowheadVenom Ok, I get where your coming from and that makes some sense but where does the Church back up the claim that "you are dispensed from the obligation when the Mass is harmful to you?" I understand your argument that some NO are so abusive that there could be an argument for it but if my memory serves this is about ALL NO's. I think that NO's while still inferior can certainly benefit the faith if done right.
@@Will-ip8og You cannot be obligated to do something immoral. It's an impossibility. So, if you then believe, as the SSPX does, that the NO is inherently displeasing to God or harmful, you could not possibly be obligated to attend it. Not sure I quite agree with this position, but the logic makes sense, and they are by no means advising people to break the Sunday obligation.
@@TheArrowheadVenom Ok. But then my central issue is that they then are arguing that all NO's are inherently immoral. This is plainly not true. The Church would not allow a liturgy that crosses the line to immoral.
I would like to join your church the mother church is soo corrupt as we speak it need divine intervention to lift it up the heresy of Fr James Martin and others
There is only one Holy Catholic Church of which the Society is a part (Bishop Fellay is a Roman Catholic bishop). I love a lot of what the SSPX stands for, but it would be a lot safer to attend an FSSP parish if you can since the SSPX is currently irregular.
What do you mean "your church"? SSPX are part of the same Catholic Church as Novus Ordo Catholics. The fact is that the Church is in crisis (due to modernism and protestantisation) and SSPX are the refuge in these hard times.
There's a possibility of a bad teaching from FSSP. Some might be orthodox, but I met some that are material modernists, even though they celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass. I would stay away from FSSP, just to be safe.
It is mortal sin to not go to Sunday mass. The NO is valid despite its problems and should be attended even if it’s the only mass available. Advising the faithful to commit mortal sin is heresy. The SSPX is in danger of the fires of hell if they continue in this egregious error.
I have a question, in my region. We don't usually have traditional masses here but novus ordo masses. But they don't follow the bad things so is it okay to attend it? Or find a latin Mass
Bottom line is this: only the Church can tell us what Mass we can attend. The New Mass was officially promulgated therefore you can go and no one, not even the schismatic sspx, can tell you otherwise.
Give me the TLM over the novus ordo any day. Don’t care for the broken ways of Vatican 2 and the novus ordo. Once I discovered the TLM, just kept going and haven’t looked back.
the false pope.... who does not even hold a valid priestly ordination because he was ordained under the rite of Paul VI in 1969.... which is invalid; does not have a valid episcopacy....because the form of consecration is invalid.....not even a pope.... A wolf under sheepskin.
Not to attend the NO Mass is simply not coming from God. The Mass whether in latin or the vernacular, is still the central faith of Catholic Christians. I, on my part, as a Catholic here in the Philippines, am appreciative of the Mass in the vernacular, as well as the Latin Rite. In the Novus Ordo I, see no downplay of the Sacrificial Worship, i see my Priest as the Alter Christus (as he face the community, with the altar table in front of him and us), and most especially, the Real Presence is there, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. As i knell, hearing the consecration words, "Eto ang Aking Katawan.... Eto ang Aking Dugo.... Gawin nyo ito bilang Pag-alaala sa Akin..." I gaze upon the raised Body and Blood of Christ, and said to myself: "My Lord and my God." ....With complete reverence and worship, my hands cupped, "Katawan ni Kristo.... Amen." I get to experience Him on my unworthy hands even for a few seconds before bringing him to my mouth. God bless us all and stay safe during this covid pandemic.
Council of Trent, Session XXII CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.
NO.... their priestly ordination and episcopacy is invalid....condemned by pope Pius IX.... they are laymen earning a living as protestant pastors.... their mass is invalid.... The only mass you can go to is a non una cum traditional mass.
What a lot of these 'Traditionalists' (SSPX, Sedes etc) fail to realize is that they themselves are a kind of Protestants. When you believe that V2 teaches heresies, invalid popes since V1, and NO mass is illicit, they you don't believe in Christ's claim about the gates of hell not prevailing.
You don't go to the mass for the priest, or the homily, you go for the sacrament. If the Church, which cannot be led into error, deems the Novus Ordo as licit, then who is a single man to go against her? Not putting down the TLM, I agree the Novus Ordo is much less reverent and such, but to put it in a box as a sin is a sin itself.
Very good ideas.Sometimes people maybe constrained to be at a funeral or wedding.True traditional Catholics should not participate. The very sad case is that many of these Catholic Churches do not stop with the continuous liturgical abuses which really have desecrated these Consecrated Churches with Communion in the hand which is a scandal and prefer not to be near to or participate with.
Hello! I praise the good work of the SSPX, and I pray for the greatest Knights of the Mother Church to reunite with their brethren, for She needs them now more than ever before. But for God's sake, could anyone, please, tell me about the spiritual Communion? For I know that without the Real Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is present in the Sacred Host, there would be no Communion. Christ said, that "Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for justice: for they shall have their fill." (Mt 5:8). So, yes, there's yet another soul that hungers to hear the Truth! Thanks in advance! God bless all of the good works of the SSPX!
Yes, sacraments are valid and canonically licit. Same with Novus Ordo Missae. They are, however, not Catholic in form and therefore dangerous and are objectively an offense to God. That's why SSPX does not re-baptize/re-ordain/re-confirm former-Novus-Ordo-Catholics, but advise to avoid Novus Ordo rites.
@@jedrzejm.8113 LOL...so the Holy Spirit Fell asleep accidentally only to be surprised that the whole 1.2 Billion Catholics are worshipping God wrongly.... And for the sake of Damage Control, the Holy Spirit sends Marcel Lefebvre as the new Redeemer... 😂😂😂😂😂
@@lieutenant-uj2fm do your homework properly... There are MANY saints who stood up against Arian heresy...St. Athanasius was not alone...We have St. Hilary of Poiters, St. Eusebius of Vercelli etc. in the Western church...the idea that only St. Athanasius stood up against Arianism is a EXAGGERATION... 🙄..... And yes...NOW we have St. John Paul 2, ST. Pope John 23, ST. Pope Paul VI and Blessed Pope John paul 1, who are all Saints and Beatified Popes ,who DEFENDED Vatican 2... 🙄..... So why are you people rebelling against the Holy Spirit??.... 🙄
I was wondering why all the bishops approved this novis ordo mass in their diocese around the world? unlike the other bishops in their diocese who still celebreting tridentine mass.
they have been fooled.... When the Council began, the Church was in excellent condition.... Pope Pius XII left it in good standing.... these apostate of false popes, these Freemasons that have been sneeking into the Church for decades wanted to destroy the Church.... from the inside.... It was completely unforseable.... And not to mention, that it was not the whole council that worked on the changes of the liturgy but a concilium.... a group of bishops under the responsibility of Freemason Agnibald Bugnini.
Thank you for the video and the references presented. I have read "Open Letter to Confused Catholics" but I need to read the other books written by the Archbishop.
I strongly object you your calling the new Mass "an offense to God." If you called it inferior or less conducive to the salvation of souls, I wouldn't disagree. But to call the Holy Mass legitimately promulgated by Holy Mother Church "an offense to God" crosses the line.
They have the same beliefs for the most part regarding Vatican 2 as being deeply destructive to the faith and in error. But SSPV declares themselves Sedevacantists which means they hold that the Popes, since Vatican 2, were not authentic Popes and believe the seat of Peter to this day is empty. SSPX does not believe this and holds the very difficult line of attempting to maintain Tradition and the authentic Catholic mass, while remaining loyal and subject to the Roman Pontiff. It's very confusing. Especially because everyone has an opinion and information is generally not organized on the internet. Just continue to watch videos and read. Read your catechism, at least the past 10 editions. Especially the ones before and after Vatican 2. It also helps to attend a Latin mass and learn to use your Missal.
@@AJ-ox8xy everything is so confusing where I live.....no holy water, no holy communion on the tongue, no ashes on forehead, no help from the shepherds with questions, truly feel abandoned. The Holy Ghost leads me to happiness though and I try to offer up this persecution in honor of the great saints that paved the way before us, our suffering is NOTHING compared to what they went through to keep authentic Holy Catholicism alive! 😇🤗😇
@@deluge848 yes exactly! Never fall to despair and always seek God. With time the Church can always be healed. But it starts healing when everyone individually decides the Church is worth preserving and understanding. I wish you the best if this journey.
Here in this video, you openly condemn the Novus Ordo and encourage the faithful to reject the presence of Our Lord in the consecration at the New Mass. I was previously struck with a sense of unbelief, as to why Pope Francis would almost completely curtail the TLM and it’s availability to the Faithful of the Catholic Church. Now in understanding this, your profession of apostasy; that it is because of the abuse perpetrated by SSPX and Traditionalist followers in this their professed heresy, in completely denouncing the New Mass of the Catholic Church and much more importantly, castigating the Divine Presence of Our Blessed Lord, in the Blessed Sacrament. Therefore, in full accord with the current guidance of our Holy Father Pope Francis and the historical precedent in Apostolic Magisterium of the Catholic Church, including the guidance and instruction of Pope St Paul VI, St John Paul II, Pope Benedict and the complete Catholic Faithful, I utterly condemn your heresy. What was previously a sympathetic conciliatory view is now hardened to be one of total contempt at your open attack on Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
It does. We still teach people that the Host and Wine are truly the Flesh and Blood of Christ, not a mere representation. The novus ordo changed a lot of things, but the essence of the mass never did.
@Robert Rough Even the four gospels didn't depict Jesus as speaking the same exact words. Not only that, the gospels were written well after it was passed on by mouth several times, making it almost impossible to have the same exact words as what Jesus spoke. But regardless of that, it's essence is still true because God is that powerful. Mere change in language won't change His Grace. Hence, the words spoken in Novus Ordo and Tridentine mass, although have SLIGHT changes, they carry the same essence. You telling me that our Omnipotent, Omniscient God is unable to listen to my prayers because I didn't recite the exact words? Who's the Neo-Pharisee now?
No.... that is one of the reasons why the changes occurred... Protestants cannot stand transubstantiation.... they don't believe in it.... the whole liturgy is a mere recall of the last supper. That is the reason for which they have a table and not an altar.... There is no altar stone because they cannot bare the idea of the mass to be a sacrifice.... Their prayer of offering is the prayer of the last supper SEDER....which is a blessing prayer for the food.... not the offertory where there is a first consecration of bread and wine.... They offer bread and wine to God.... which is a blasphemy.... not the body and blood of Christ....which is a dirrect offense to the Father.... They give God what is cheep.....
With the points in the video, the traditional Latin Mass is more respectful and pleasing to God, while the New Mass has many principles which over time can harm man's understanding of God and relationship with Him. Therefore, if you want a black and white answer - do not attend the New Mass; but rather seek a traditional Latin Mass.
There are too many things in this video simply not true. Mere opinion. I do love the Tridentine and go when I can, but it's unfortunate. The New Mass a danger to souls? Ha. And ya, exempt if Tridentine is not available? Never heard that one before. Attendence at a New Mass should be passive? What are we, a separate Church?
Lucas Mitzel The New Mass is a completely different mass from that of the Tridentine Mass. The New Mass contains things that originate from Protestantism, such as a table instead of an altar, as the Protestant Cranmer said an altar is used for sacrifice, while a table is used for the people. The vernacular language is used, betraying the language of the Church, Latin, which came from Protestantism. Communion in the hand has also led to many abuses and scandals, and makes people believe that communion is simply bread to be passed around. Ever since the new mass came out, statistics show people have been leaving the church and rarely go to mass, while traditional parishes boom. Canon 1248.2. states that those who through inconvenience or moral impossibility cannot fulfill the Mass obligation can pray at home ; "personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families." -Canon 1323. States that one incurs no penalty for violating a precept when he acts from serious inconvenience or even perceived fear. Some quotes from moral theologians: Jone and Adelman (English translation 1961) : "Any moderately grave reason suffices to excuse one from assistance at Holy Mass, such as considerable hardship or corporal or spiritual harm either to oneself or another." He gives various examples including "those that have a long way to church". Spiritual harm would include heretical sermons, even in a Mass which was otherwise fine, so there is certainly no obligation to attend the Novus Ordo.Prummer (1955) quotes St Alphonsus as follows : "Any cause which is moderately grave excuses from the precept- namely, any reason which involves some notable inconvenience or harm to mind or body either of oneself or of another."St. Thomas states that : When possible, we must have recourse to our superiors to dispense us from a law. However, in a situation of *necessity* one is automatically dispensed: Necessity knows no law - Summa Theologia, II Q.96,A6 "When there is a doubt of law, laws do not bind even if they be nullifying and disqualifying ones..." (1917 Code of Canon Law, canon 15; 1983 Code of Canon Law, canon 14) even Pope St. Pius V when he codified the tridentine mass, was emphasizing that it was not a new form of mass he was codifying, it was the mass that was handed down. the New Mass leads us to think “that truths … can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic Faith is bound forever.” six Protestant ministers collaborated in making up the New Mass: George, Jasper, Shepherd, Kunneth, Smith and Thurian. how can I worship in a mass that deprives and attacks the Catholic faith, just because it's "valid"? just because it's valid doesn't mean it's harmful. the new mass and the old mass aren't just different in superficial matters, but in its rubrics and how it's celebrated.
@Lucas stay away from the SSPX and their false and sinful teachings. They have proven with this video that they are no longer a part of the Catholic Church and are a separate entity which is not merely schismatic but out and out heretical. Was the original Liturgies anything like the Latin mass which is celebrated? No. How the liturgy is celebrated is a matter of Liturgical discipline not a doctrine nor dogma. This is the reason why any pope has the ability to change it as he wishes in the same manner Pius V change and standardized the TLM. The Language of the Church is whatever the Church decides that it should be. Just as the Church changed the Language of the Western Church from Greek to Latin, a future pope may do so without batting an eyelash. The reason for the use of Greek was because it was the common language of the people. The reason it switched to Latin was because Latin became the language of the West. The Church strived to make the liturgy in the vernacular and meaningful. I, attend the Latin Mass but I also understand the language having studied Latin at a fairly young age. Unlike most who attend the Latin mass, I do not require an English translation. Most persons have bought into the tripe being sold buy the SSPX and the maven in the video. I have met and discussed issues with clerics from the SSPX and they are usually not particularly intellectuals and not academically well formed. Most are not acquainted to any great degree with Canon Law as is so well evidenced by the video.
Yup. I know it! Like I said, there are so many issues with the video it's laughable (at least for someone like me who is a Roman Catholic and know enough about Church teaching to know that this video is incorrect).
+Lucas Mitzel I don't know my man. I AM seeing two different liturgies, almost two different religions. One is laity-centered, with lay Eucharistic ministers, altar girls, lay lectors, casual atmosphere, Protestant music, social justice only homilies, etc. When I was carousing and living wildly, one i was find with. The other scared me and convicted me. When a child I knew died; one didn't speak to me at all, while one gave me more comfort than anything in this world.
Deusimperator- There you go again. More ad hominem crap from you like your comments in Part I. All you do is brag about your knowledge, education, credentials, etc. But never a cogent argument. And certainly never an argument based on Canon Law, which you claim to be knowledgeable of. Instead you just insult this young priest and the likes of Canon Hesse, who had more brains and piety in his little finger than your entire, empty cranium.
I guess we should ask ourselves would we go to protestant "service" if not able to attend latin mass at sunday? I personally would not. If this new mass is partially protestant that makes it tainted does it not? Lets think of it like this. 99% truth with 1% lie in it is a lie, only something that contains 100% truth can be called true. It's just my opinion and I'll leave people to decide for themselves, personally I'm at this very crossroads right now - no latin mass next sunday. It is either watching latin mass online or 3 decades of rosary at local sspx chapel.
SSPX. I beg you, stop confusing people and distracting them from the Eucharist. The Novus Ordo has been approved by the Pope and the Magisterium, so it is valid. So catholics are oblidged to atend the Sunday mass either Novus Ordo or Tridentine.
Not sure how you win the crowd with this message. I'm starting to see how your thinking is, and I would agree. The new mass has been around for many of the faithful's entire lives. Stop spreading this message and having people not attend mass. Change happens slowly, and I think a return to traditionalism will eventually be the norm in my beloved Church. You will not change things overnight, however, so keep on converting the faithful, and eventually we will all have the Latin Rite in our Churches again. God go with you in your most Holy work. I will still attend the new mass. If my soul is in danger, then so be it.
Read tahe Book : Work of Human Hands - theology of the mass of Paul VI by Father Anthony Cekada.... you will have a much greater understanding of this harmful liturgy.
Uh, if you want to maintain peace, DO NOT read anything by Cekada. I repeat: you will lose peace of heart, which may lead to despair. Evil stuff, evil stuff.
How dare you think you have the authority to encourage people to commit a mortal sin by not fulfilling their Sunday obligation. Where do you guys get off?
You can fuflill your Sunday obligation without going to mass.... What are you thinking? Do you think you worship God by assisting in a liturgy that is heretical, blasphemous, sacriligious.... You can stay home and pray your rosary, read the prayers of the true mass and meditate them, read the Gospel, do spiritual reading... That is a fulfillment of sunday obligation....You miss mass when there is a mass to miss.... but you don't offend God in participating in a liturgy that is sacriligious.
SSPX really think it is sinful to attend NO? I agree there are problems but still this is the Church Christ instituted. Is has always had flawed and fallen members.
Dumbass moronic imbecile, can you make another moronic pronouncement for us, so that we may have a laugh? Moronic imbecilic idiot, causing others to fall into mortal sin through heretical teachings is good enough reason to consider on a heretic moronic idiot... Dumbass moron, Pius V outlawed and suppressed several traditions in the way the Liturgy was celebrated... so by your moronic dumbassary you have declared Pius V a heretic... You are an idiot. Furthermore, moronic idiot, by tradition the Liturgy was celebrated in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. So, idiot why has your cult broken with tradition and celebrate your Liturgy in Latin??? Dumbass moronic clodhopper hardly know the history of the Church and attempt to invent new rules like the protestants... Great job dumbass.
deusimperator wow. Now you're claiming that Latin wasn't even part of the liturgy? There are manuscripts from the 3rd century of the mass being celebrated in Latin. Where are you getting your information from? And according to you gods, the Pope's of the past 40 years, specifically John Paul II, made it lawful for a Catholic to approach ANY validly ordained priest for the Sacraments. Read Canon Law and history before you start vomiting your atrocities.
+Stephen Tyrrell Yeah, i guess you're right... no official declaration that they are indeed schismatic. Well, maybe they can be considered NOT in FULL communion with the Catholic Church.
No disrespect but that's untrue. They were never in schism. The pope himself said this. Also, Vat II and Pope Francis are supporters of the role of "conscience." Well, many follow that same process and decide not to go to a N.O. Church. Many cuckservative Catholics (I am not saying you are one or even that most NO Catholics are either- just the ones that rail against their own tradition and call people schismatics) will BOW DOW to the left, willingly submit to all sorts of foolishness and wickedness, while raging against traditionalists. Why? Are traditionalists, who struggle to even find a Church in many places, taking away your N.O.? The SSPX is not, and has never been in "schism."
I have to disagree when this priest says that the Novus Ordo is an offense to God, and when he as that attendance to Novus Ordo Mass should be passive. It is just impossible to attend a mass which you recognize as valid (even the SSPX recognize the Novus Ordo Mass as valid) while maintaining a passive attitude. That would mean that you would be standing or sitting during the consecration, whereas you should be kneeling, since Our Lord Jesus Christ is truly present on the altar.
Father, you make it sound as if there are two Masses, a valid Mass and an invalid mass. If the invalid mass is invalid, why do you continue referring to "it" as a mass in the first place? Speak only of the one true Mass, and allow the "invalidites" to do as they will. Focus your teachings ONLY ON THE BENEFITS OF THE ONE TRUE MASS. THIS is what the people need to know, otherwise, it's like being educated on "Who started Sodom and Gomorrah" (we all know the end result of that).
i was an Anglican until i get converted to the Novus Ordo church in 1992. i served as an altar server for 5 years in St Joseph Cathedral Kuching. Although i served the mass, i sense something missing but at that time i dont understand about what i experienced particularly in my spiritual life. This keep going until 2015 that i was exposed to SSPX through the internet and this is what i have been searching for. a clear and precise cathecism( i was poorly cathecised back when i was in the Novus Ordo) makes me grow in knowledge about the true Catholic teaching. i quit attending the Novus Ordo mass early this year because there is no traditional mass offered in my area. Thank you SSPX for helping to find the Catholic faith.
Comet Halley Hello. Are you still in Kuching? TLM is held in Kuching every month now since 2018 and the Priests are from SSPX. Pls contact me for more details. God bless💖💖
Try the Anglican Ordinaraite too
@Christus Victor We still pray for the Pope and the diocesan bishop. Secondly, given the whack catechism taught to the faithful in my country, I think it is not the trads who are being guided into oblivion. Anyways, the Latin mass is not offered by anyone but the SSPX in Malaysia. Tradition is alive. God bless
@Christus Victor the new Mass is the first one of luther. are you joking?
How are they like Luther when they hold on to the Catholic Tradition. The New Mass was clearly based on protestant liturgy.
60 years in the wilderness; I'm 71 yrs old now. O how I long for my Mother's return.
Having gone through this change as an adult back in 1969, it almost destroyed my Faith...I left the church for the couch for 10
years until I found my way back in 1980. I attended an N O church and quickly found out there were already changes in the
NO Mass...as time went on more changes were made and they continue today...Thankfully I have found an SSPX Chapel and
I had a complete reconversion into my Faith I knew in the 50-60"s... I'm now living and enjoying my Catholic Faith...
Now for those who disagree...Let's agree to disagree and act like loving Catholics...
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Robert if you have an FSSP parish near you, I recommend that you attend that one because they are in full communion with Rome. If you don't have one close by, then I understand.
@c'estsi VII I understand is a neo catholic church which is nothing similar to the Church after Trent or VI for that matter. We can see by the fruits what it has produced. Thistle and thorns.
Is sspx just a traditional Latin mass?
My story is almost exactly the same, as I was a child when the world changed. Even tho as a dumb kid I didn't understand the TLM, but I always knew that the Holy Ghost had descended, and that we were worshipping God in an authentic manner. We went from the ancient chants to vapid folk songs. As kids we had to sing the Theme from Exodus and "Up With People" during our school week Masses. The priests and nuns became confrontational towards us about our "racism" when none of us held such vile beliefs; we were an organic community that had formed around a Catholic church.
I became indifferent, then left. My soul was imperiled. By the grace of God, probably by the heavenly intercessor of Lefebvre, who is surely a Saint, was directed to a TLM, and am now a dedicated, fervent Catholic, unto death.
@@ryann2710 Another very important element that you need to understand... the UNA CUM mass... SSPX pronounces the name of Bergogglio in the Canon of the mass.... they probably pronounce the name of the Novus Ordo bishop of their diocesian area.... that is an offense to God.... They recognize Bergogglio to be pope and they mention it in their mass... This is saying to God' I am offering a worship in union with a heretic... a blasphemer, an idolater.... This is a sacrilege..... The priest is in union with a blasphemer....their great priest... who is the main worshipper.... priests are just his substitute in the world.... It is like paying a ticket to fly on a plane in direction to Rome.... the Novus ordo Sect.
Go to Mass. do not take this priests advice on committing mortal sin by skipping your obligation. He isn’t the magisterium. Just bc we may not like to new mass it isn’t a reason to send ourselves to hell. Sad that only one media site has called this video out. This is something someone like Gerry Matatics would’ve put together.
No he is not the magisterium but he is clearly following it better than you are. You can't use false "obedience" to dismiss the protestantization of the new mass and the harmful affects it has on people's souls. The new Mass is a protestant service that should be avoided at all costs.
I hope no one takes your advice, its not a matter of whether one likes the new "mass" or not,its a lot more complicated than that,one example of this is that the new "mass" is a meal while the true mass is a sacrifice.
Carla want false obedience? Listening to his advice and committing mortal sin. That’ll get you to hell. Simple
Penelope Jones and yet it’s valid and licit and is the Mass. whether we like it or not and if you miss your Sunday obligation it’s a mortal sin. His advice sounds like a sedevacantist position that’ll bring folks to hell. To say the mass is sinful, as they do in their prayer book, is stupid
@@SensusFidelium of course its a mortal sin to not fulfill your sunday obligation i never said otherwise, its dangerous for you to say that all new " masses" are valid, no he doesnt sound like a sedevacantist, i think more research is needed on your behalf,its odd that your comment comes across as though you hold a very anti-sspx position and yet you dont seem to know a lot about them
Thanks SSPX, please keep preserving the true mass of Catholic Church.
I started attending the TLM 3 years ago and I only go to NO when no other option remains. There are some really sincere--and ignorant--Catholics who attend and we have to be careful not to judge. I feel blessed that I live 10 mins away from an FSSP latin mass parish. It has been a true re-awakening of my faith.
You have another problem before your eyes.... FSSP believes that Bergogglio is a pope.... Another condition for going to heaven is obedience to a pope... If you believe that he is a pope, than you must obey him, submit to him.... You must submit to the man who says: 'There is no Catholic God, that promulgates idolatry in Rome, that blasphemes Christ, Mary, St John the Baptist.... To say : Bergoglio is a pope and disobey him is to be schismatic..... If you feel blessed to be close to a community that is schismatic, than you really have a problem: confusion.
@@giseleademers Mate, would you refuse submission to Saint Pope Peter because he denied our Lord 3 times? Was this not a horrible offence against Christ:? And yet, we wouldn't draw such a conclusion as that he wasn't the first pope.
@@giseleademers You sedesvaticanist!
@@ALMEYTRIX she believed in modernist sedevacantist cult. Which can't be traced in traditions. Only a thesis by St. Robert Bellarminus and some personal dream regarding apostasy of Pope. Horrible, they're worst than Orthodox who at least show a respect to Bishop of Rome.
I personally think that this video is a serious potential threat to the salus animarum.
Before suggesting the faithful to stay at home or to attend the Novus Ordo Mass passively, I would be VERY VERY careful.
I choose to go to Traditional Latin Mass every Sunday and sometimes on weekdays. For that purpose I drive approx 45 minutes one way. Having said that I must notice that if I understand you well you are encouraging people to commit mortal sin by skipping the Sunday Mass if it is only the NO Mass that is available to them. If they listen to you and choose not to attend they commit a mortal sin and it is partially on you Father. The New Mass is a valid Mass. It may be not licit when you consider St Pius' V "Quo Primum" - I do not know, but it nonetheless is a valid Mass. It is true, that the NO Mass even when offered in a pious way is much much less reverent than the TLM - there is no discussion about it, but as long as valid words of consecration are pronounced by validly ordained priest who is willing to consecrate and it all happens over the proper matter it constitutes a valid Mass. I will pray for you Father and for the people that they do not take your advice and attend Sunday Mass even if NO is the only option they have.
I agree althoufh i do mot claim to be sure either eat. Noone know for sure but God himself. I attend mass daily. I attend the new mass as well as the old latin mass and occasionally byzantine mass. There are eastern catholic churches with another handful of different liturgies...byzantine, marionite..melckite etc. Im sure i butchered spelling sorry
Just for the record, a black mass is also valid. Would you attend that as well?
@@tinoriccomini6561 That is a blasphemy.... a FreeMason cult to Satan....
@@tinoriccomini6561 Black Masses are not valid, they don't have ordained priests
The new Mass is dangerous to your soul and you should stay at home just as icy roads are dangerous to your body and so too stay at home.
If you don't have the old mass just go to an Eastern rite divine liturgy
'The Church is obliged to provide a mass of one's rite' - Fr. Gregory Hesse RIP. In addition he stated: ' we are born into our rites'.
I've gone Marionite Syrian.
Jon Clarkson Went To Ukrainain Right for 20 Yrs ,when they changed the Consecration Words .they changed the form and you need proper mater form and intention for a valid sacrament . The enemy has changed everything. The ,mass ,canon law ,eliminated most of our Saint ,alters communion ,rails ,Marian devotion ,communion before confession on and on and on and on ,there is not much left of our Catholic faith since Vatican 2 Wake up and smell the roses we have been had by Vatican 2.May GOD HAVE MERCY ON US...
@@tradpro7485 Do you know if this happened in the Byzantine rite too? I am from the Latin rite, but where I leave there is only Novus Ordo in a 1,5-2 hours by car radius. There is 1 Byzantine rite mass, which is in an N.O. church and some things seem suspicious.
I enjoy going to the Tridentine Mass with the SSPX. However, telling people that if they cannot go to an SSPX chapel, then they should not go to Holy Mass on Sunday IS SO WRONG; THAT IS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COMMIT MORTAL SIN.
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Yes! These SSPX priests will have to answer to God for their direction to do this
"if anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema."- Council of Trent Session 22, canon 7
The Novus Ordo isn't Protestant and doesn't deny Catholic dogmas. It explicitly calls the Mass a sacrifice (cf "may the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands"), includes praying to Mary (cf "therefore I ask blessed Mary ever virgin... To pray for me to the Lord our God"), etc
If you think that is sufficient to exemplify Catholic Doctrine… There are protestants who venerate Mary and ask for her prayers too. There are protestants that believe the mass is a sacrifice, as do the Schismatic orthodox.
I am no Sede and think of the position as sinful but Fr. Cekada’s work on the NO is good.
The Council of Trent declared that promulgated Missal cannot lead to damnation: "if any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema".
Shall we really get into all the contradictions of the Council of Trent contained in the acts of the Second Vatican Council?
@@stthomasmore4811 no essential contradiction in Trent and V.2. If you read the documents correctly. One thing that they can't be contradicted was the fact that V2 is a pastoral council and Trent was a dogmatic council. It's just different
@@marcelhuntyupwalukow5005 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wrong. I have read the documents and there are contradictions. Even Benedict said Vat2 was a counter-syllabus
Lets see what the Council of Trent also says:
Council of Trent, Session XXII CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the VULGAR TOUNGE only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.
So we are left with a dilemma; The Church cannot promulgate a Mass that is inherently a danger to souls, but at the same time it holds that celebrating the vernacular tounge only is also to be anathema.
It seems to me that the “danger to the faith” here would mean an invalid consecration of the Eucharist as participating in such is sacrilege.
The SSPX does not hold that the New Mass invalidly consecrates the Eucharist but that it downplays Catholic doctrine and is prone to massive abuses.
It’s either that or accept the Orthodox position on the Papacy which is historically illiterate.
@@lieutenant-uj2fm The statement from Tent doesn't say a liturgy in the vernacular tongue is anathema. It is anathematizing the belief that "the Mass should only be done in the vernacular"
I went to a Novus Ordo mass I believed to be reverent and beautiful when I was younger and I asked the Holy Ghost if there could be anything more beautiful, in a week He had me at the Latin Mass, not joking. I was raised in the NO mass not knowing of the Latin growing up, it was hard at first to transition for a month I went to NO mass on Saturdays and LM on Sundays. This juxtaposition made it all the more evident where the beauty lied.
Wild Bear I went to both masses for awhile. Then I would go to Latin mass for a couple weeks exclusively. Then I would miss friends and go to NO mass only to be horrified. One thing that bothers me is Eucharistic ministers, and I was one once 20 years ago.
@@Christian-lm6qh I would have said a year ago that I would have been willing to attend a NO mass, but then I got a job at a Catholic School this past year. After having to go to the mass every Wednesday and being absolutely horrified. Things became so clear. The were EM, people receiving Our Lord who were not catholic and/or not living the Catholic lifestyle, they did Liturgical dance, etc. I had to keep my head down to get through it. My students knew the music was torture to me. I honestly can say I never want to go to another NO mass ever again. I hate the thought of being in a desperate situation. It is why I can completely understand where the SSPX is coming from now. I grew up in NO, so I bought the lie and discrimination disobedience story they tell us. I am sad to say even a little after I started to attend. I slowly claimed to be a sympathizer and denied that they were schismatic, but just an irregularity. Now with everything that is coming from the Vatican, I can see they were a blessing from God. A mercy truthfully. Sorry it was so long of a response. I wouldn't bother reading it if I saw something this long.
You do not go to mass because it is beautiful or reverent.... you go to mass to worship God.... and you must make sure that the mass you go to does exactly that.... offer a worship to God.... a worship that pleases him. You don't go to mass for your satisfaction.... that is protestant and novus ordo atittude... The worship of man in the novus ordo sect... all centered on man.... The true mass (that is not in union with Bergogglio) even if it is Latin, is centered on God....and towards him.
@@giseleademers the True Mass is with union with current Pope, His Holiness Francis. God elected him the same way he elected St. Peter and his successors. He didn't let the Church without a shepherd, if the Church is with a shepherd, He will guide him and will not let err comes. Of course personal and material heresy can come through the person because we are all men, nobody' perfect besides Christ and His mother.
Came across this, which is something I remember being taught many years ago, about 50 or so.
The Church has continued to reassert this teaching, especially in those times of crisis. In the Middle Ages, when clerical laxity was a problem in some areas, St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1224) taught, “The sacrament is not wrought by the righteousness of either the celebrant or the recipient, but by the power of God” (Summa Theologiae, III, 68, 8). In response to the objections of certain Protestant Reformers, the Council of Trent in its Decree on the Sacraments (1547) declared, “If anyone says that a minister in the state of mortal sin, though he observes all the essentials that belong to the performing and conferring of the sacrament, does not perform or confer the sacrament, anathema sit [“let him be condemned”]. Finally, the Catechism asserts, “From the moment that a sacrament is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and His Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister” (#1128).
In all, the Church’s teaching is really spiritual common sense. Christ who instituted the sacraments must be the one who actually works the sacrament, thereby giving us the assurance that the sacrament has indeed worked and conveyed the grace it signifies. If the efficacy depended upon the human minister, how could anyone of us be assured that the sacrament worked and we received the promised grace? Such assurance is not humanly obtainable. Nevertheless, priests must strive always to be worthy ministers of the sacraments they celebrate, acting in a state of grace and reflecting the Christ in whose person they act.
I got it from
catholicstraightanswers.com/if-a-priest-is-in-the-state-of-mortal-sin-can-he-still-offer-the-mass-and-perform-the-other-sacraments/
I know it is talking about Mortal Sin , but would it apply the same in this case?
ALSO- For those Catholics who after watching this video have decided to stay away from Mass, may I suggest you invest just 8 more minutes and watch this video, if only to get an informed apologetic against the SSPX argument.
I am only a Lay Catholic and am certainly no theologian: But when someone tells me that it is better to stay home and pray, than go to Mass that do not agree is Mass, I must take them very seriously indeed. I must investigate to the best of my ability in a Spirit of prayer whether to discard what I am being told or to accept it. My eternal salvation may well depend on my choice ( God only knows ).
I can only now now go with my conscience, after a deep examination, to consider that I am still in the Faith. I believe that I am, I also believe that the SSPX argument is mistaken and invalid.
Like I said earlier, I am not a theologian : This is my story, it is up to you to ensure as best you can, that you are in the truth. Pray Much To Jesus, to Mother Mary, your Guardian Angel and your Patron Saint . .
Finally, I know this may sound a little obvious, but I think a reminder will do no harm - Thinking the Truth and doing the Truth will lead me to knowing the Truth. Just thinking and talking it will get me a place in a very, very large percussion band,
Pax Christi
You are better off not attending an English Mass.Seek out a Tridentine Mass.Make a Spiritual Communion.
God would be more pleased that you made a Spiritual Communion at home rather then going to the English New Mass where people are offending the Eucharistic king by receiving in the hand and participating in other abuses.
@@Loudes012 even not knowing that Christ is offended, it's better to go to mass for me. I attend Mass very passive in New Ordo.
I don't think it's danger to the faith if you already know and understand what is the barrier that must not be done.
For communion in hands, it's a pastoral reason not against the dogma, although it opens dangers to the faith and decrease the reverent, but TLM has its own problem by not allowing 2 kinds of communion. In opposing Council of Constance and Trent which is gone too far at least for 500 hundred years, neither both kinds or one kind of communion solve the dogmatic problem to those who don't believe in transubstantiation (protestants)
That's why, for me, eventhough that Traditional Mass is a way much more reverent than New mass, both must be re-codified like adding the prayer, keep the priest' gestures, dissallowing extraordinary ministers, loud consecration, and most important 2 kinds of communion. At least Anglican Ordinariate Mass is the closest one and be an example of recodifying the mass.
@@thecrazyenglishman1066 nowhere did the video claim the Novus Ordo is invalid. So thinks for that diatribe, I guess.
We are all Baptized Roman Catholics,we as confirmed Catholics must pray for our Pope, Bishop's and Priests.
Ecumenism is condemned by our previous popes Benedict VI etc....
@@toddpund5761 lex opere operato.
3:14 This explicitly encourages Catholics to commit mortal sin by not going to mass on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation even when mass is available. Further, the video twists the words of the Catechism concerning what to do when attendance at mass is IMPOSSIBLE in order to fit a situation where a Catholic prefers not to attend his local church because TLM is not available or worse he PERSONALLY believes the sermon endangers the faith. Tell me are we all to decide for ourselves which Church interpretations of Holy Scripture endangers the faith? Seems like a very Protestant idea to me. I have one last question left for my irregular brethren of the SSPX: Habetus mandatum apostolicum?
I think this would be true for some very hard to understand concepts of our Faith. But when it comes to comparing the new mass with the old one, it is quite clear that if you have a true Sensus Fidei and know your Faith, you will know to stay away from clowns and pachamama at the altar.
Staying home on Sundays is more modernist than any Novus Ordo
I thought that too until I learned about the liturgy in the Novus Ordo. I'll never step foot in a Novus Ordo church again.
@@lorichet What did you find that was offensive? Jesus?
@@Deuterocomical
Your assumption shows that you don't know because you haven't looked into it.
@@lorichet I have looked into it, but haven’t found anything that objectionable. Perhaps you can share one thing that you found?
@@Deuterocomical
I'd answer if I knew for certain that your question was sincere. But I can't tell if it's a sincere question or an attempt on your part to create another opening in order to hurl another ad hominem.
The Holy Spirit will never abandon the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
Yes, and the most manifest proof of that is the SSPX!
@c'estsi I'd rather believe that Holy Spirit will never abandon the Jewish than sedevacantist cult
Remember old latin and novus ordo are not the only 2 lityrgiea that exist. Theres byzantine, marionite, melckite, and others liturgies from eastern rites in communion with pope of rome. Excuse my spelling
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
So, it seems one of the things stated is that the Novus Ordo, even if celebrated correctly and with the hermeneutic of continuity, still leads to error and impiety? Well, what about this?
"If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety rather than stimulants to piety, let him be anathema."
Council of Trent, Session XXII, Canon 7
The Council of Trent was not referring to the novus ordo missae...
@@mollybascom3023 it was promulgated by a valid pope as the SSPX will rightfully point out. How does a Pope promulgated a harmful liturgy?
After recently returning to the catholic faith. This video explains alot, like with the influx of protestant ideology, and my dissatisfaction with the new mass.
God Bless the SSPX. It is a really unfortunate situation that there is a liturgy that the hierarchy begs to call it catholic and beg to equate it to the fullness of Catholicism found in the Latin mass so much that they want to ban it. Every time you visit a novus ordo in different churches, they each have their own flavor of convenience and comfort ability ranging from High Anglican like service to Calvinist Protestant.
I recommend anyone to read the most questions about the sspx as this book answers the crisis deeper. Ottaviani intervention, and time bombs of the second Vatican council. As they have said the Catholic Church CANNOT harm the souls of the faithful, you are NOT OBLIGED to attend this new mass, as it is dangerous to the faith.
Think of the Sacrifices of Cain and Abel. Abel sacrificed the fattest lamb and offer it to the Lord and he was so pleased! Cain offered crops for sacrifice and he was not pleased; both sacrifices were valid but one pleased God. Cain ends up killing Abel, we are living this today and it saddens me that the hierarchy of the church is so badly attached to the spirit of Vatican II’s apostasy to limit and take the TLM out of existence. We must pray for our hurting church!! Pray pray pray for reparation due to sacrileges and sins committed every day worldwide !
God bless the SSPX, if anything this is the society truly following and teaching what the church have taught since the beginning; being loyal and setting a true example of the church. While they are not infallible nor perfect, the Holy Ghost is still guiding them, and is helping the church spread!
Thank you Father. Yes it is a hard truth but really, let's be honest, it's obvious.
this is one of my favorite SSPX videos because of the Freudian slip between 3:00-3:40
he says the New Mass is an offense to God and given that, the Church recommends not to attend it so as to not endanger their faith
wait, which Church is telling us that the New Mass is an offense to God and gives a dispensation for our Sunday obligation so as to not attend it?
it's not the so called "Vatican II Church" it's the SSPX. the Freudian slip is that he is calling the SSPX "the Catholic Church" and the organization that tells us the NO is not an offense to God and that it is your normative way for Sunday obligation is not "the Church"
@Nathan Wilson I never support the Popes new agendas. Infact I am a traditionalist myself. I am stating that the SSPX told to skip Sunday mass altogether if you can't attend the Latin mass. So they are telling you to skip the sunday obligation and do mortal sin. Also even the Catholic Church teaches that you can attend the orthodox mass under circumstances where you can't attend the catholic mass to fulfill the sunday obligation. Where as the SSPX tells its ok to if you skip Sunday obligation altogether. Thats their error. FSSP on the other hand never says such errors.
no you are not skipping the sunday obligation.... You miss mass when there is a mass to miss.... if there is no valid mass that gives grace, you cannot sin by missing mass.... You stay at home, you do your prayers, you pray your rosary.... you consecrate your Sunday to God and to rest. No, you cannot go to an orthodox mass... because again....they are schismatics and heretics... that is an offense to God... The sacraments belong to the true Roman Catholic Church... they are outside the Catholic Church...
"One is dispensed from attending mass on Sunday or a holy day..."
Um, excuse me. Says who? Which document do you cite? A letter from the Pope? When was it written and disseminated? Support your seemingly heretical assertions with actual documentation from the Church, and please omit the response "because Lefebvre".
@zadose
it is not enough to avoid the spiritual damage of the new Mass. because Mass is a public act, the public act par excellence of the Catholic Church. an example: if your State declares war tomorrow to another state, with a law that is public, you cannot say that the effects of this law do not concern you because you are against that law and that war ... and the enemy bombs will fall to you in the head equally. A greeting. In Christo et Maria.
@Remember Lord Jesus Pray the Rosary Looks like the Holy Spirit fell asleep only to find out that the whole 1.2 billion members of Catholics are worshiping God wrongly.... Now, for Damage Control, the Holy Spirit sends Lefebvre as the new Redeemer... 😂😂😂
@@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337 Arians are Arians...When Arians are attacking the Churches, no Saint dare to call the church SSPX...😂😂😂. The church remain Catholic and called Cahtolic despite being Few in numbers....
@pinoy sarisari
So did during the Arian heresy when almost all priests, bishops and even papal claimant/antipope were arians and almost all faithful became apostate by embracing the arian heresy. Yes, God use intrument to resist the heresies and during the ”Arian Heresy” - God use St Athanasius to redeem the Christian world from this grave heresy and only few support St Athanasius position. But today St Athanasius is celebrated as the Father and hero of Orthodoxy. Stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit. God doesn’t sleep yet He allow deception for those who don’t seek the truth. Truth is not about numbers. The bible didn’t teach that many are saved anyways. Read the entire 2 Thessalonians and St Paul clearly commands the faithful to ”Hold fast to the Tradition.” [2Thess. 2:14-16] to avoid deception. The ”new mass” is based on the protestant liturgy. God is not present there.
@@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337 LOL...Did St. Athanasius BLASPHEME God by Changing the Name of the Church to SSPX??
The Last time I check, the name of the True Church REMAINED Catholic....Not SSPX....The name SSPX is a Blasphemy...
St. Athanasius of Alexandria said...
"Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
----St. Athanasius of Alexandria
I’m going to post another comment here... Our Faith calls for sacrifice, so if a TLM is not close to you, you might choose to move. Getting a new job and new friends is much easier than getting into Heaven. The gate is narrow.
can a faithful receives Eucharist in Novos Ordos Mass if one feel the need to be in communion so much but daily TLM is not available?
i firmly believe the real presence of Christ in the new mass...
So? we must ignore the catholic teaching just coz our "feelings". The NOM change the no just the intention but also the form, even the form of the Ordination whats makes the NOM has a defect of minister, form and intention.
True, as long as the eucharist is there, our Lord is there.
Feelings??? I’ll stick to dogma, teachings and 2000 yrs of history.
Even not knowing that Christ is offended, it's better to go to mass for me. I attend Mass very passive in New Ordo.
I don't think it's danger to the faith if you already know and understand what is the barrier that must not be done.
For communion in hands, it's a pastoral reason not against the dogma, although it opens dangers to the faith and decrease the reverent, but TLM has its own problem by not allowing 2 kinds of communion. In opposing Council of Constance and Trent which is gone too far at least for 500 hundred years, neither both kinds or one kind of communion solve the dogmatic problem to those who don't believe in transubstantiation (protestants)
That's why, for me, eventhough that Traditional Mass is a way much more reverent than New mass, both must be re-codified like adding the prayer, keep the priest' gestures, dissallowing extraordinary ministers, loud consecration, and most important 2 kinds of communion. At least Anglican Ordinariate Mass is the closest one and be an example of recodifying the mass.
Attend Old Mass only.
I will never go to Novus Ordo ever again. It not pleasing to God.
I never said there was no Pope.
+RemnantWatch
It's great that you like the N.O. It's every and easily accessible. It also makes you like 90% of church goers.
Why does he have to go to your mass? You don't have to go to his. You can do all the new church things and even embrace all sorts of heterodox ideas. You'll find somewhere to accommodate you. I'm sure that if you live in a big enough city you can find a N.O. Mass said by a woman.
Note; I wm not accusing you of wanting those things. I understand your position as I once held it myself. I am also not saying you are a bad Catholic. You are probably much better than I am with things.
But traditionalists are not storm troopers taking your new mass away.
It's actually the opposite. Even with the Motu Proprio you still have bishops who won't allow for the mass of all ages in their diocese.
I simply ask that you let such people be.
The reason the New Mass is not pleasing to God is for several reason. Let us examine the words of Our Lady of La Sallete. Approved by Popes Pius IX and Leo XIII, yet virtually concealed for 70 years, the Secret of La Salette read in part:
" . . . The Vicar of my Son will have much to suffer, as, for a time the Church will be the victim of great persecutions: this will be the hour of darkness. The Church will suffer a terrible crisis . . .
"The Holy Father will suffer greatly. I will be by his side to the end in order to receive his sacrifice. The wicked will make several attempts on his life but they cannot harm him. But neither he nor his successor [here, Melanie inserted in parentheses the words, ‘who will not reign long’] will live to see the triumph of the Church of God . . .
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist . . .
"The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay."
In the early 50´s, several freemasons were ordained as priests into the Church. The reason is because they wanted to destroy the Church from within. Anabala Bugnini, who was a well known freemason, was one of these freemasons. Anabala was the one who wrote and codified the Novus Ordo Missae, which was made to strip away all sense of true Catholicism from the Mass. And in the words of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, even if celebrated with reverence, will always be illicit due to the impregnation of Protestantism in it.
¨ You may even find that understanding what you are saying and the priest is saying to be somewhat pleasing.¨ This line alone shows everything wrong with the Novus Ordo. You are going by what pleases you and not God. ¨Pleasing¨ Is a word the devils use to tempt and rectify the souls into sin and Hell. The Mass is not there for you, it is there for God. Latin is the mother tongue of the Church and always will be. A mass not spoken in Latin is a Mass illict and grave.
Then God the father must have hated the mass celebrated by Jesus on the last supper. Because it wasn't like the Tridentine mass at all.
It would be funnier if you issued a movie '' why catholic should not attend fssp (fraternity of Saint Peter) mass? '', more complicated!
One question that I would like to ask the „swarm intelligence“ (please give me a polite answer and no reproaches such as „you are a modernist“-I really would like to know):
-is this the official and general position of the SSPX or is it just the personal assessment of this one priest?
I am asking because I know that even the SSPX don’t hold that the Novus Ordo Mass is „invalid“ per se. Plus, at the FSSP we were told multiple times that Catholics even *have to* attend a Novus Ordo Mass in order to fulfill the Sunday obligations if there is no TLM available. (And don’t tell me now how „modernist“ the FSSP is. I know all these killer arguments. I would just like to have an answer to this question.)
Dear Elikai,
Thanks for your question. It really is the official and general position of the SSPX. We hold that, although not all the Masses offered according to the new rite are invalid, it does "depart in a striking manner overall as well as in detail from the Catholic theology of the Holy Mass" and for that reason is bad in itself. The SSPX priests do not celebrate Mass according to the new rite, and they do not encourage anyone to take an active part in such a Mass.
The SSPX holds that it would be better not to go to Mass on Sunday rather than to assist actively at a Mass offered in the new rite. They argue that the new rite of the Mass, since it stems from ecumenism and a new theology, at odds with the Theology of the Council of Trent, represents a danger to the Faith, and therefore cannot be the object of an obligation. The Law of the Church is ordered to the salvation of souls, and so a law obliging us to assist at a rite which put our souls at risk would be an unjust law, lacking any binding force.
I do hope that helps. Further information can be found in the SSPX Crisis in the Church Podcast series, episodes 23-26.
Please be assured of my prayers,
Fr. P. Franks
Let's PRAY TO ALL GODS HOLY PEOPLE ...IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD , AMEN 🙏
Are you praying to the people, or are you praying to God? confusing...
Just say NO to N.O. gimme a break! God is, was, always will be! Smoke of satan is NO VCII
Could you provide a Church document that says that one is not obliged to attend the NO and instead pray a Rosary?
There is no document that stipulates about NO directly... but the Church laws says that if you are more than one hour of driving distance from a true catholic mass....you are not entitled to go.... if you are ill..... weather conditions.... Bishop Sanborn has a sermon that explains all this. Go on www.mostholytrinityseminary.org..... I invite you to listen to his sermons... You will learn a lot....
You're asking if there's a Novus Ordo document that says we are not obliged to attend a Novus Ordo mass?
I really appreciate your advice about our Sunday Mass obligation in regards to the norvus ordo Mass. I attend the TLM now. However, as we all realize, the Latin Mass will probably be discontinued by Francis within a year or two. I have been struggling with what to do when that happens. I assume you have the authority to decree that the norvus ordo can be passed by faithful Catholics who realize and understand that it is heretical and inimical to our faith.
It’s terrible advice, and the SSPX has no authority to dispense us. We have an obligation to attend whatever rite is available to us.
Yeah, the SSPX has no universal authority to dispense you from your obligation to attend Mass. This is a dangerous and schismatic distortion of the truth they are spreading.
Here is the what the Catechism actually teaches about the Sunday obligation:
2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."117 "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."118
2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
@@NoahBradon yes but the canon law itself can dispense you exactly as you quoted.
Although I disagree with SSPX about this, but I can clearly understand the reason for this. And one thing for sure, it's not an official SSPX positions, its just a general attitude of SSPX.
@@Seethi_C Wrong
@@soldier8304 We don’t have a Sunday obligation? Please explain
3:07 "the new mass is an offense to God" This statement has been anathematized by doctrine.
"If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema." Twenty Second Session General Council of Trent, On the Doctrine of the Sacrifice of the Mass, Chapter IX, Canon VII.
Some of you no doubt will balk at this statement, but ask yourself the following:
Is this doctrine valid?
Does it apply to all masses that of the Catholic Church?
Was the Mass of Pope Paul VI promulgated by the Catholic Church?
If the answer to those questions is yes, then the SSPX needs to repent of this statement and pull down this video.
I'm no expert on Canon law or Church history, but I do know the document you cited was written to defend the Tridentine Mass! At the time the document was written there wasn't a Catholic Rite that reminds many people of protestant liturgy.
@@andang7005 I think the principle held within this anathema is equally applicable. This principle is that it is not the place of the laity or a society of priests to say that a mass ordained by the holy see is impious. The protestants, laity and clergy, were saying the mass was impious in the 16th Century. Now, you have another group of laity and clergy declaring a mass impious. I think they run afoul of the same anathema.
@@Desert-Father but this Novus Ordo mass is indeed impious, one doesn't have to be intelligent as Einstein to see that. The new mass is based on new theologies and new doctrines, and if those are impious, could the Mass possibly be pious? When the authors of the council of Trent wrote the document you cited above, could they ever have imagined that one day a Catholic Pope would put a Buddhist idol on top of an altar, which is exactly what happened in 1986? Therefore, I don't think the principle is "equally applicable" to this situation, unless the new mass is as reverent or more reverent than the Tridentine Mass.
Edit: the protestants said the Mass was impious, but what mass were they talking about? So unless the SSPX is saying the same mass condemned by protestants (that is to say, the Latin Mass) is impious, that's not a fair and just comparison.
@@andang7005 You know the thing about doctrine is that its applicable to all time. So, your effort to contain this doctrine to just the 16th Century is ironically modernist. Again, the point is that it is not for any lay person or society of priests to determine whether a mass is impious or pious. The Church through its Magisterium promulgated a mass. It is anathema for a faithful believer to declare a mass promulgated by the Church impious. That is doctrine proclaimed by the very same council you seek to defend.
@@Desert-Father you asked "does this doctrine apply to all masses that of the Catholic Church?". I think it applies to all the rites recognized by the Church AT THAT TIME. The Novus Ordo was created half a Millennium after this doctrine.
I can tell you from my experience: I am hypersensitive. By that I dont mean I cry a lot or I cry when I step on a bug.
It means I can differentiate the spirits. I can tell if one house or space is good or bad spirited.
Now the important thing: When I first attended TLM I felt immense presence of Holy Ghost. I dont feel anything near that at NO mass. In fact, I'm not sure Holy Spirit is even present at NO. That enough, if you beleive me, should tell you that maybe or probably, NO mass is not valid. If it was valid, why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be present at NO? I am seriously thinking of accepting this "radical" advice and never attend NO again.
When no traditional Mass is available, why not just go to an Eastern Divine Liturgy if you are opposed to attending the Novus Ordo?
because they are schismatic and it s similar than the other situation, worst anyway
alter bridge Eastern Catholics are Catholic...
@@davidfigueroa8188
if you refer to the Greek Catholic liturgy, then you are Catholic but polluted like the Latin and Chaldean and Maronite ones etc ... because the Vatican Council and the news concern the entire Catholic Church
alter bridge The Greek Catholic liturgy hasn’t changed.
@@davidfigueroa8188
the liturgy reform particularly concerned the Latin rite, but not exclusively. in fact a few years ago I went to a Greek Catholic Mass and there were many elements of prayer of the news of the Latin Mass. the iconastasis remains like a veil, but otherwise the underlying doctrine is that of the Council. moreover, the full legitimacy of the Mass depends both on the object, the rite celebrated and on the subject, the teaching learned and spread by the priest and in the latter case for the very close relationship between priest and Mass. moreover, the Eastern churches have the canonical position in the Church, for having accepted the contents of the Council and the only order that has no canonical position in the whole universal Church, Latin and not, is the sspiox. regards.
The difference between the betrayal of St Peter and Bergoglio is like night and day.... Peter betrayed because he believed in himself and not in the assistance of God and Christ allowed it to happen in order to maintain him in humility.... Peter did not betray because he of lack of faith... As a matter of fact, Christ warned him that he would do so.... but that he prayed for him so that he would not lose the faith... and once he was back on his feet , so to speak, he was called to strenthen his brethrens in the faith.... Bergogglio is not a pope.... but an anti pope.... and we cannot recognize as pope someone who does not hold the faith... but someone who is nothing else but a socialist, promulgating social justice ideologies for these exact reasons... This is man is a communist.... He blasphemes God, promulgate doctrines that are in complete contradiction to the teachings of true Catholic Faith... promulgate Vatican II which is a complete apostasy.... He uses the Catholic religion as a tool to gain is means of socialism.... in the light of Freemasonry.... His last encyclical.... on fraternity is a total promulgation of Freemason precepts.
3:11 Too bad the SSPX has zero authority to dispense the faithful of their obligation, so you either need to back up this claim with a church document, or stop overstepping your bounds of authority.
I think dispense was a bad word choice. It should be pretty obvious you can't partake in a Mass embedded with heretical theology.
Samuel Walker The church can’t promulgate heresy though, so we know the Novus Ordo is not heretical
@@Seethi_C you are correct the Church cannot teach heresy.
This is a huge post so brace yourself, I have checked it for grammar and spelling to make things easy.
I feel that you are a faithful Catholic, but you are making mistakes that I once made until I learned true Church history and teaching. I will first explain then I will cite official infallible Church teaching and the sources so you do not have to take my word for it since I am just a random guy on the internet.
This is going to be shocking and hard to believe, it will be painful for any good Catholic, but I am giving you my sources so you do not have to take my word for it and know it to be true.
The novus ordo does teach heresy and is therefore not from the Church. This seems very contradictory and confusing because on the surface it appears the Church gave us the novus ordo with Vatican II. So the answer is Vatican II is also not from the Church, because Vatican II also teaches heresy.
( just one of multiple heresy taught by Vatican II is indifferentism. Vatican 2 teaches that man is free to follow any religion he deems to be true in the light of his reason and conscience. This is the heresy of indifferentism. This was condemned by the Council of Trent and by Pope Pius the 9th in the Syllabus of Errors and also condemned by multiple other Popes, the only religion you're allowed to follow is the one True Faith, outside of which there is no salvation)
This also seems contradictory and confusing, because the point of a Council is to be the official teaching infallible Magisterium of the Church which is preserved from heresy and error. So how can a council possibly teach error?
The answer is Vatican II was a fake Council and it has happened before in Church history, in 1413 the second Council of Constance ( also called the Council of Pisa) taught that a council can hold more authority than the Pope. The second Council of Constance was formerly condemned as heresy by Pope Gregory the 12th in 1415, because no one, and nothing, not even all the Bishops united against the Pope have more authority than the Pope who was made head of the Church by Christ Himself. Matthew chapter 16 verse 19 Christ gives Peter the keys to the kingdom.
So how did the second Council of constance even happen? The Habsburgs, a very powerful family in Europe who controlled multiple Kings, played politics to try to get rid of a Pope they did not like. They bribed and threatened Bishops into forming the second Council of Constance and they taught the heresy that they had more authority than the Pope, with the hopes of overthrowing the Pope who they did not like having more power than them.
So how did Vatican II ever happen? It was predicted and prophesized by Church approved Apparition Our Lady of La Salette also called Our Lady of good success that in the 20th century a Council from hell would lead many from the one True Faith as punishment from God for sins against purity, and that the priesthood would become a cesspool of impurity with almost no good Bishops or priests.
I don't think I need to point out to you the gay Mafia that controls the Church and has sexually abused countless children all through the 20th century and still continues today, obviously fulfilling the prophecy.
The second Vatican Council was authored by Freemasons and Communists, and the novus ordo was created publicly with the advice and teaching of six Protestants (Archbishop Bugnini who created the novus ordo was investigated by Pope Paul the 6th after Vatican II and found to be a Freemason and banished from Rome) they purposely designed the novus ordo with the help of six Protestants based on the false theology that the community of Believers, the people, are the ones who offer the mass and not the priest, which is also a heresy condemned by the Council of Trent which teaches the priest offers the Mass.
Pope Paul the 6th officially declared that the second Vatican Council was not infallible, that it was not an ecumenical council but a pastoral Council.
So simply put, the novus ordo does in fact teach heresy because it was designed by Freemasons, Communists, and Protestants and officially teaches communion theology which was condemned by the Council of Trent.
Also Pope Paul the 4th infallibly declared that anyone whether Pope bishop or priest publicly professes heresy he immediately loses his office and is no longer Catholic and is excommunicated De facto without any action from the Church. (Same thing if somebody gets an abortion or advises or consents to it. They de-facto excommunicate themselves)
So if your Bishop becomes a heretic, like denying canon law 915 that a public manifest grave sinner cannot receive communion as Cardinal Dolan of New York has done, and he refuses to be corrected, then he is no longer the bishop and you can tell him if to his face. Cardinal Dolan have refused to repent or be corrected and is therefore no longer the bishop of New York without any action from the Church and has excommunicated himself. He is just one example, there are unfortunately countless Bishops like him.
Therefore the people who gave us Vatican 2 and the novus ordo were not Catholic, the Church cannot teach heresy, and Vatican II will one day be overturned and condemned just as the second Council of Constance was by Pope Gregory the 12th in 1415.
Here is a link to Pope Paul the 4th and his infallible Cum Ex Apostolic Officio teaching on Heretics in the Church, and how they lose their office.
www.dailycatholic.org/cumexapo.htm
The SSPX is not dispensing anyone, they are quoting what the Church has always taught. The Church has always taught you cannot attend a Mass where the priest is a heretic, or heresy is preached. And if you live too far away to make it to Mass, you are dispensed. People in missionary territory for example. This was all taught by the Church since the early Church times, SSPX didn't make this up. Source, the catechism.
@@Steve_Milo Where has the Church said you are dispensed if the priest is a heretic?
Plus, this SSPX priest said in this video that the Mass being a Novus Ordo is enough to be dispensed, regardless of preaching quality
Where exactly do you get the idea that one is dispensed from Mass because there is no access to the TLM? While the Novus Ordo is far inferior to the TLM, it can not be said that it is not valid, which granted was not stated in the video but is implied by the notion that is should be avoided to the extent of missing one's Sunday obligation.
That is not implied in the video. In the video he clearly says that you are dispensed from the obligation when the Mass is harmful to you; he is not referring to sacramental validity. We know there are a variety of reasons the obligation can be dispensed even for valid Masses. The SSPX is making the claim that being the NO is one of those reasons beause of its danger to the faith. They are NOT advising anyone to commit mortal sin, but arguing it would not be a sin. I see where they're coming from, but there are some priests (rarely) who do the NO in such a way that I can't believe they are offending God. Not sure what to think.
@@TheArrowheadVenom Ok, I get where your coming from and that makes some sense but where does the Church back up the claim that "you are dispensed from the obligation when the Mass is harmful to you?" I understand your argument that some NO are so abusive that there could be an argument for it but if my memory serves this is about ALL NO's. I think that NO's while still inferior can certainly benefit the faith if done right.
@@Will-ip8og You cannot be obligated to do something immoral. It's an impossibility. So, if you then believe, as the SSPX does, that the NO is inherently displeasing to God or harmful, you could not possibly be obligated to attend it. Not sure I quite agree with this position, but the logic makes sense, and they are by no means advising people to break the Sunday obligation.
@@TheArrowheadVenom Ok. But then my central issue is that they then are arguing that all NO's are inherently immoral. This is plainly not true. The Church would not allow a liturgy that crosses the line to immoral.
@@TheArrowheadVenom I also see where they are coming from, but their statement is simply not in line with the Magisterium
I would like to join your church the mother church is soo corrupt as we speak it need divine intervention to lift it up the heresy of Fr James Martin and others
David Catabui sir, the “real” church has been taken over by devils and they accept evil Protestants and schismatics as “believers” of “Christ”.
There is only one Holy Catholic Church of which the Society is a part (Bishop Fellay is a Roman Catholic bishop). I love a lot of what the SSPX stands for, but it would be a lot safer to attend an FSSP parish if you can since the SSPX is currently irregular.
What do you mean "your church"? SSPX are part of the same Catholic Church as Novus Ordo Catholics. The fact is that the Church is in crisis (due to modernism and protestantisation) and SSPX are the refuge in these hard times.
There's a possibility of a bad teaching from FSSP. Some might be orthodox, but I met some that are material modernists, even though they celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass. I would stay away from FSSP, just to be safe.
Thank you Father for this valuable information.
It is mortal sin to not go to Sunday mass. The NO is valid despite its problems and should be attended even if it’s the only mass available. Advising the faithful to commit mortal sin is heresy. The SSPX is in danger of the fires of hell if they continue in this egregious error.
Letter of the law? But Trads are the Pharisees, right?
I know. That’s why there is only online options.
they were right, we must return back the Tridentine Mass....
JESUS is present at the mass. It is ridiculous and heretical to suggest not to go to a licit mass like the NO.
This man should read the Catechism, the G I R M , and John Paul II and Pope Benedict on the Eucharist. They carry more Church Authority than him.
I have a question, in my region. We don't usually have traditional masses here but novus ordo masses. But they don't follow the bad things so is it okay to attend it? Or find a latin Mass
Bottom line is this: only the Church can tell us what Mass we can attend. The New Mass was officially promulgated therefore you can go and no one, not even the schismatic sspx, can tell you otherwise.
I agree with your, brother. I have just posted a comment you may find interesting/useful.
Give me the TLM over the novus ordo any day. Don’t care for the broken ways of Vatican 2 and the novus ordo. Once I discovered the TLM, just kept going and haven’t looked back.
Pope Francis I tells us we can go to the SSPX mass daily with the Holy Spirit
@Bighorn44 None Nonsense.
Bighorn44 None now you can see how luther felt
the false pope.... who does not even hold a valid priestly ordination because he was ordained under the rite of Paul VI in 1969.... which is invalid; does not have a valid episcopacy....because the form of consecration is invalid.....not even a pope.... A wolf under sheepskin.
Pope Francis is on the verge of blessing homosexual "unions".
Is a spiritual communion or rosary etc necessary when there are no Latin masses?
Not to attend the NO Mass is simply not coming from God. The Mass whether in latin or the vernacular, is still the central faith of Catholic Christians. I, on my part, as a Catholic here in the Philippines, am appreciative of the Mass in the vernacular, as well as the Latin Rite. In the Novus Ordo I, see no downplay of the Sacrificial Worship, i see my Priest as the Alter Christus (as he face the community, with the altar table in front of him and us), and most especially, the Real Presence is there, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. As i knell, hearing the consecration words, "Eto ang Aking Katawan.... Eto ang Aking Dugo.... Gawin nyo ito bilang Pag-alaala sa Akin..." I gaze upon the raised Body and Blood of Christ, and said to myself: "My Lord and my God." ....With complete reverence and worship, my hands cupped, "Katawan ni Kristo.... Amen." I get to experience Him on my unworthy hands even for a few seconds before bringing him to my mouth. God bless us all and stay safe during this covid pandemic.
Trent condemns the universal use of the vernacular.
Council of Trent, Session XXII CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.
If the Trent mass is unavailable, is the high Anglican an acceptable substitute since they still face the altar?
NO.... their priestly ordination and episcopacy is invalid....condemned by pope Pius IX.... they are laymen earning a living as protestant pastors.... their mass is invalid.... The only mass you can go to is a non una cum traditional mass.
It's far worse than NO actually, because they are not communion with the Pope
In my country TLM is not available, does that mean for the rest of my life stay at home ?
What a lot of these 'Traditionalists' (SSPX, Sedes etc) fail to realize is that they themselves are a kind of Protestants.
When you believe that V2 teaches heresies, invalid popes since V1, and NO mass is illicit, they you don't believe in Christ's claim about the gates of hell not prevailing.
No brother, go to mass. This division and confusion is from Satan
You don't go to the mass for the priest, or the homily, you go for the sacrament. If the Church, which cannot be led into error, deems the Novus Ordo as licit, then who is a single man to go against her? Not putting down the TLM, I agree the Novus Ordo is much less reverent and such, but to put it in a box as a sin is a sin itself.
Very good ideas.Sometimes people maybe constrained to be at a funeral or wedding.True traditional Catholics should not participate.
The very sad case is that many of these Catholic Churches do not stop with the continuous liturgical abuses which really have desecrated these Consecrated Churches with Communion in the hand which is a scandal and prefer not to be near to or participate with.
The 4 marks of the Church.
One,Holy ,Catholic, Apostlic
Any break from these are not Catholic
Exactly, that's why the Novus Ordo is NOT Catholic.
@@timo4054 The Maronite church is. St. James the lesser was their first bishop.
Hello!
I praise the good work of the SSPX, and I pray for the greatest Knights of the Mother Church to reunite with their brethren, for She needs them now more than ever before.
But for God's sake, could anyone, please, tell me about the spiritual Communion? For I know that without the Real Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is present in the Sacred Host, there would be no Communion. Christ said, that "Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for justice: for they shall have their fill." (Mt 5:8). So, yes, there's yet another soul that hungers to hear the Truth!
Thanks in advance! God bless all of the good works of the SSPX!
I understand there were changes after Vatican ll to the rite of ordination, are Novus Ordo priests even true priests?
Yes, sacraments are valid and canonically licit. Same with Novus Ordo Missae. They are, however, not Catholic in form and therefore dangerous and are objectively an offense to God. That's why SSPX does not re-baptize/re-ordain/re-confirm former-Novus-Ordo-Catholics, but advise to avoid Novus Ordo rites.
@@jedrzejm.8113 LOL...so the Holy Spirit Fell asleep accidentally only to be surprised that the whole 1.2 Billion Catholics are worshipping God wrongly.... And for the sake of Damage Control, the Holy Spirit sends Marcel Lefebvre as the new Redeemer... 😂😂😂😂😂
@@pinoysarisari7374Ever heard of the Arian heresy? Only St. Athanasius stood up… or the schism of 1054 wherein we lost the East to schism?
@@lieutenant-uj2fm do your homework properly... There are MANY saints who stood up against Arian heresy...St. Athanasius was not alone...We have St. Hilary of Poiters, St. Eusebius of Vercelli etc. in the Western church...the idea that only St. Athanasius stood up against Arianism is a EXAGGERATION... 🙄..... And yes...NOW we have St. John Paul 2, ST. Pope John 23, ST. Pope Paul VI and Blessed Pope John paul 1, who are all Saints and Beatified Popes ,who DEFENDED Vatican 2... 🙄..... So why are you people rebelling against the Holy Spirit??.... 🙄
I was wondering why all the bishops approved this novis ordo mass in their diocese around the world? unlike the other bishops in their diocese who still celebreting tridentine mass.
they have been fooled.... When the Council began, the Church was in excellent condition.... Pope Pius XII left it in good standing.... these apostate of false popes, these Freemasons that have been sneeking into the Church for decades wanted to destroy the Church.... from the inside.... It was completely unforseable.... And not to mention, that it was not the whole council that worked on the changes of the liturgy but a concilium.... a group of bishops under the responsibility of Freemason Agnibald Bugnini.
You guys are modern Pharisees! I should know, I was a Pharisee (I came to faith from an Orthodox Jewish background).
No, the modern Pharisees occupy Rome currently.
Thank you for the video and the references presented. I have read "Open Letter to Confused Catholics" but I need to read the other books written by the Archbishop.
How about the holy communion, if the traditional mass in unavailable in our place?
make a spiritual communion
Don’t listen to these people, GO TO MASS, people
I strongly object you your calling the new Mass "an offense to God." If you called it inferior or less conducive to the salvation of souls, I wouldn't disagree. But to call the Holy Mass legitimately promulgated by Holy Mother Church "an offense to God" crosses the line.
Is sspx and sspv the same in beliefs?? I'm so confused
They have the same beliefs for the most part regarding Vatican 2 as being deeply destructive to the faith and in error. But SSPV declares themselves Sedevacantists which means they hold that the Popes, since Vatican 2, were not authentic Popes and believe the seat of Peter to this day is empty.
SSPX does not believe this and holds the very difficult line of attempting to maintain Tradition and the authentic Catholic mass, while remaining loyal and subject to the Roman Pontiff.
It's very confusing. Especially because everyone has an opinion and information is generally not organized on the internet. Just continue to watch videos and read. Read your catechism, at least the past 10 editions. Especially the ones before and after Vatican 2. It also helps to attend a Latin mass and learn to use your Missal.
@@AJ-ox8xy Thank you AJ!!!
@@deluge848 glad I could help.
@@AJ-ox8xy everything is so confusing where I live.....no holy water, no holy communion on the tongue, no ashes on forehead, no help from the shepherds with questions, truly feel abandoned. The Holy Ghost leads me to happiness though and I try to offer up this persecution in honor of the great saints that paved the way before us, our suffering is NOTHING compared to what they went through to keep authentic Holy Catholicism alive! 😇🤗😇
@@deluge848 yes exactly! Never fall to despair and always seek God. With time the Church can always be healed. But it starts healing when everyone individually decides the Church is worth preserving and understanding. I wish you the best if this journey.
I have never nor ever attend the new mass
great video, Thanks so much.
Here in this video, you openly condemn the Novus Ordo and encourage the faithful to reject the presence of Our Lord in the consecration at the New Mass.
I was previously struck with a sense of unbelief, as to why Pope Francis would almost completely curtail the TLM and it’s availability to the Faithful of the Catholic Church.
Now in understanding this, your profession of apostasy; that it is because of the abuse perpetrated by SSPX and Traditionalist followers in this their professed heresy, in completely denouncing the New Mass of the Catholic Church and much more importantly, castigating the Divine Presence of Our Blessed Lord, in the Blessed Sacrament.
Therefore, in full accord with the current guidance of our Holy Father Pope Francis and the historical precedent in Apostolic Magisterium of the Catholic Church, including the guidance and instruction of Pope St Paul VI, St John Paul II, Pope Benedict and the complete Catholic Faithful, I utterly condemn your heresy.
What was previously a sympathetic conciliatory view is now hardened to be one of total contempt at your open attack on Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
Wow, staying home on Sundays is so trad and red-pilled
if I may ask, Do transubstantiation take place in the new mass! and is it a sin participating in the same!
It does. We still teach people that the Host and Wine are truly the Flesh and Blood of Christ, not a mere representation.
The novus ordo changed a lot of things, but the essence of the mass never did.
@Robert Rough Even the four gospels didn't depict Jesus as speaking the same exact words. Not only that, the gospels were written well after it was passed on by mouth several times, making it almost impossible to have the same exact words as what Jesus spoke. But regardless of that, it's essence is still true because God is that powerful. Mere change in language won't change His Grace.
Hence, the words spoken in Novus Ordo and Tridentine mass, although have SLIGHT changes, they carry the same essence. You telling me that our Omnipotent, Omniscient God is unable to listen to my prayers because I didn't recite the exact words? Who's the Neo-Pharisee now?
No.... that is one of the reasons why the changes occurred... Protestants cannot stand transubstantiation.... they don't believe in it.... the whole liturgy is a mere recall of the last supper. That is the reason for which they have a table and not an altar.... There is no altar stone because they cannot bare the idea of the mass to be a sacrifice.... Their prayer of offering is the prayer of the last supper SEDER....which is a blessing prayer for the food.... not the offertory where there is a first consecration of bread and wine.... They offer bread and wine to God.... which is a blasphemy.... not the body and blood of Christ....which is a dirrect offense to the Father.... They give God what is cheep.....
What does the video say in black and white? Attend New Mass or not?
With the points in the video, the traditional Latin Mass is more respectful and pleasing to God, while the New Mass has many principles which over time can harm man's understanding of God and relationship with Him. Therefore, if you want a black and white answer - do not attend the New Mass; but rather seek a traditional Latin Mass.
@@SSPX Could it be any Latin mass or just those of the SSPX?
There are too many things in this video simply not true. Mere opinion. I do love the Tridentine and go when I can, but it's unfortunate. The New Mass a danger to souls? Ha. And ya, exempt if Tridentine is not available? Never heard that one before. Attendence at a New Mass should be passive? What are we, a separate Church?
Lucas Mitzel The New Mass is a completely different mass from that of the Tridentine Mass. The New Mass contains things that originate from Protestantism, such as a table instead of an altar, as the Protestant Cranmer said an altar is used for sacrifice, while a table is used for the people. The vernacular language is used, betraying the language of the Church, Latin, which came from Protestantism. Communion in the hand has also led to many abuses and scandals, and makes people believe that communion is simply bread to be passed around. Ever since the new mass came out, statistics show people have been leaving the church and rarely go to mass, while traditional parishes boom. Canon 1248.2. states that those who through inconvenience or moral impossibility cannot fulfill the Mass obligation can pray at home ; "personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."
-Canon 1323. States that one incurs no penalty for violating a precept when he acts from serious inconvenience or even perceived fear. Some quotes from moral theologians: Jone and Adelman (English translation 1961) :
"Any moderately grave reason suffices to excuse one from assistance at Holy Mass, such as considerable hardship or corporal or spiritual harm either to oneself or another." He gives various examples including "those that have a long way to church". Spiritual harm would include heretical sermons, even in a Mass which was otherwise fine, so there is certainly no obligation to attend the Novus Ordo.Prummer (1955) quotes St Alphonsus as follows :
"Any cause which is moderately grave excuses from the precept- namely, any reason which involves some notable inconvenience or harm to mind or body either of oneself or of another."St. Thomas states that : When possible, we must have recourse to our superiors to dispense us from a law. However, in a situation of *necessity* one is automatically dispensed: Necessity knows no law - Summa Theologia, II Q.96,A6
"When there is a doubt of law, laws do not bind even if they be nullifying and disqualifying ones..." (1917 Code of Canon Law, canon 15; 1983 Code of Canon Law, canon 14) even Pope St. Pius V when he codified the tridentine mass, was emphasizing that it was not a new form of mass he was codifying, it was the mass that was handed down. the New Mass leads us to think “that truths … can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic Faith is bound forever.” six Protestant ministers collaborated in making up the New Mass: George, Jasper, Shepherd, Kunneth, Smith and Thurian.
how can I worship in a mass that deprives and attacks the Catholic faith, just because it's "valid"? just because it's valid doesn't mean it's harmful. the new mass and the old mass aren't just different in superficial matters, but in its rubrics and how it's celebrated.
@Lucas stay away from the SSPX and their false and sinful teachings. They have proven with this video that they are no longer a part of the Catholic Church and are a separate entity which is not merely schismatic but out and out heretical. Was the original Liturgies anything like the Latin mass which is celebrated? No. How the liturgy is celebrated is a matter of Liturgical discipline not a doctrine nor dogma. This is the reason why any pope has the ability to change it as he wishes in the same manner Pius V change and standardized the TLM.
The Language of the Church is whatever the Church decides that it should be. Just as the Church changed the Language of the Western Church from Greek to Latin, a future pope may do so without batting an eyelash. The reason for the use of Greek was because it was the common language of the people. The reason it switched to Latin was because Latin became the language of the West. The Church strived to make the liturgy in the vernacular and meaningful.
I, attend the Latin Mass but I also understand the language having studied Latin at a fairly young age. Unlike most who attend the Latin mass, I do not require an English translation. Most persons have bought into the tripe being sold buy the SSPX and the maven in the video. I have met and discussed issues with clerics from the SSPX and they are usually not particularly intellectuals and not academically well formed. Most are not acquainted to any great degree with Canon Law as is so well evidenced by the video.
Yup. I know it! Like I said, there are so many issues with the video it's laughable (at least for someone like me who is a Roman Catholic and know enough about Church teaching to know that this video is incorrect).
+Lucas Mitzel
I don't know my man.
I AM seeing two different liturgies, almost two different religions. One is laity-centered, with lay Eucharistic ministers, altar girls, lay lectors, casual atmosphere, Protestant music, social justice only homilies, etc.
When I was carousing and living wildly, one i was find with. The other scared me and convicted me. When a child I knew died; one didn't speak to me at all, while one gave me more comfort than anything in this world.
Deusimperator- There you go again. More ad hominem crap from you like your comments in Part I. All you do is brag about your knowledge, education, credentials, etc. But never a cogent argument. And certainly never an argument based on Canon Law, which you claim to be knowledgeable of. Instead you just insult this young priest and the likes of Canon Hesse, who had more brains and piety in his little finger than your entire, empty cranium.
I would only use the services of a Novus Ordo priest if it was an emergency.They still have faculties even though the New Mass is not legitimate.
I guess we should ask ourselves would we go to protestant "service" if not able to attend latin mass at sunday? I personally would not. If this new mass is partially protestant that makes it tainted does it not? Lets think of it like this. 99% truth with 1% lie in it is a lie, only something that contains 100% truth can be called true. It's just my opinion and I'll leave people to decide for themselves, personally I'm at this very crossroads right now - no latin mass next sunday. It is either watching latin mass online or 3 decades of rosary at local sspx chapel.
God Bless SSPX
SSPX. I beg you, stop confusing people and distracting them from the Eucharist. The Novus Ordo has been approved by the Pope and the Magisterium, so it is valid. So catholics are oblidged to atend the Sunday mass either Novus Ordo or Tridentine.
Faggot masses are also approved by pope
Amen
No,I and my family won't go to the new mass.why we have to fallow what this pope is doing? He's like nothing no lider.no a good guide.
So is da rule can change to da previous one?
Your apostasy is shocking. As a man of the cloth. Telling the devout to not go to Mass.... Literally holier than thou...... God forgive you
No offense, but don’t men of the cloth actually wear a cassock? Nice profile picture! And nice video uploads on your channel.... brother.
Not sure how you win the crowd with this message. I'm starting to see how your thinking is, and I would agree. The new mass has been around for many of the faithful's entire lives. Stop spreading this message and having people not attend mass. Change happens slowly, and I think a return to traditionalism will eventually be the norm in my beloved Church. You will not change things overnight, however, so keep on converting the faithful, and eventually we will all have the Latin Rite in our Churches again. God go with you in your most Holy work. I will still attend the new mass. If my soul is in danger, then so be it.
bill fupps Stay on the ark,the One ,Holy, Catholic, Apostlic Church.Hold on.
Have Blessed Holy Week
Read tahe Book : Work of Human Hands - theology of the mass of Paul VI by Father Anthony Cekada.... you will have a much greater understanding of this harmful liturgy.
Uh, if you want to maintain peace, DO NOT read anything by Cekada. I repeat: you will lose peace of heart, which may lead to despair. Evil stuff, evil stuff.
How dare you think you have the authority to encourage people to commit a mortal sin by not fulfilling their Sunday obligation. Where do you guys get off?
You can fuflill your Sunday obligation without going to mass.... What are you thinking? Do you think you worship God by assisting in a liturgy that is heretical, blasphemous, sacriligious.... You can stay home and pray your rosary, read the prayers of the true mass and meditate them, read the Gospel, do spiritual reading... That is a fulfillment of sunday obligation....You miss mass when there is a mass to miss.... but you don't offend God in participating in a liturgy that is sacriligious.
SSPX really think it is sinful to attend NO? I agree there are problems but still this is the Church Christ instituted. Is has always had flawed and fallen members.
Is SSPX Catholic?
I can't take this seriously.
No one in their right mind takes the heretical buffoon seriously.
+deusimperator
Nothing about it is heretical.
You can't be heretically by sticking fast to tradition. It's absurd and a contradiction in terms.
Dumbass moronic imbecile, can you make another moronic pronouncement for us, so that we may have a laugh? Moronic imbecilic idiot, causing others to fall into mortal sin through heretical teachings is good enough reason to consider on a heretic moronic idiot...
Dumbass moron, Pius V outlawed and suppressed several traditions in the way the Liturgy was celebrated... so by your moronic dumbassary you have declared Pius V a heretic... You are an idiot.
Furthermore, moronic idiot, by tradition the Liturgy was celebrated in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. So, idiot why has your cult broken with tradition and celebrate your Liturgy in Latin??? Dumbass moronic clodhopper hardly know the history of the Church and attempt to invent new rules like the protestants... Great job dumbass.
deusimperator another demonic statement.
Why are they not deleting your comments? Maybe it's to expose your hatred?
deusimperator wow. Now you're claiming that Latin wasn't even part of the liturgy? There are manuscripts from the 3rd century of the mass being celebrated in Latin.
Where are you getting your information from?
And according to you gods, the Pope's of the past 40 years, specifically John Paul II, made it lawful for a Catholic to approach ANY validly ordained priest for the Sacraments. Read Canon Law and history before you start vomiting your atrocities.
This one of the reasons why SSPX is a schismatic group, therefore not in communion with the Catholic Church
+1027ampao Pope Francis would disagree with you.
+Stephen Tyrrell Yeah, i guess you're right... no official declaration that they are indeed schismatic. Well, maybe they can be considered NOT in FULL communion with the Catholic Church.
+1027ampao Who cares, we all know the novus ordo is rotten and we all see the "fruits".
***** What!!!
No disrespect but that's untrue.
They were never in schism.
The pope himself said this.
Also, Vat II and Pope Francis are supporters of the role of "conscience."
Well, many follow that same process and decide not to go to a N.O. Church.
Many cuckservative Catholics (I am not saying you are one or even that most NO Catholics are either- just the ones that rail against their own tradition and call people schismatics) will BOW DOW to the left, willingly submit to all sorts of foolishness and wickedness, while raging against traditionalists. Why? Are traditionalists, who struggle to even find a Church in many places, taking away your N.O.?
The SSPX is not, and has never been in "schism."
I have to disagree when this priest says that the Novus Ordo is an offense to God, and when he as that attendance to Novus Ordo Mass should be passive.
It is just impossible to attend a mass which you recognize as valid (even the SSPX recognize the Novus Ordo Mass as valid) while maintaining a passive attitude. That would mean that you would be standing or sitting during the consecration, whereas you should be kneeling, since Our Lord Jesus Christ is truly present on the altar.
@Said Eli Cueva Sava yes I know that, but it's still a valid mass.
I'm sorry, but this priest is off his rocker.
Father, you make it sound as if there are two Masses, a valid Mass and an invalid mass. If the invalid mass is invalid, why do you continue referring to "it" as a mass in the first place? Speak only of the one true Mass, and allow the "invalidites" to do as they will. Focus your teachings ONLY ON THE BENEFITS OF THE ONE TRUE MASS. THIS is what the people need to know, otherwise, it's like being educated on "Who started Sodom and Gomorrah" (we all know the end result of that).
No, they should not!
THEY REALLY SCREW THINKS UP FOR US TRUE CATHOLIC
That was the purpose of Vatican II.... spread confusion.... the sect of Satan....
I think that the traditionalist must take a look to the video's from Vassula Rydén
I think this disrespect to the new mass and telling Catholics not to go to the novus ordo if the Tridentine is not available is very dangerous.
What about Confession?
SSPX heresies...
Name ONE.