Most people here think that the $500million US grant is literally money?? Wrong, they are like “gift checks/ vouchers” used to acquire US weapons PH chooses. US taxpayer money goes to US defense companies, they earn while PH will be having the chosen equipments. Hindi makakakurakot mga gahaman.
@@hardchaps for sure the payment will be oil if we dig up there less tax for america because America helps our country like that because our past administration is stupid to not prioritize the security of our country.
The US and the Philippines met to discuss the continued use and development of military bases, strengthening security ties, improving intelligence and providing mutual defense of the region. There is nothing to suggest this is a loan, in fact it is being described as military aid or a grant.
It doesnt matter weather it was a second hand, refurbished, or use F-16AM/BM or the new variant of the F-16V Block 70/72, the Philippines need those F-16 as soon as possible
@@temujin0911 sa palagay ko naman bok walang problema ang airframe ng mga unit ng lumang F-16 dahil kung meron ay hindi na ipagbibili yung mga F-16A/B, Block 20 variants sa mga bansang gaya ng Taiwan, Argentina at Ukraine ng parehong nakakuha ng mga ganitong variants mula sa U.S at mga NATO allies na mga dating user ng mga nasabing combat aircraft
It is not just the actual cost of aircraft. Hidden cost like munitions, maintenance of aircraft, pilot and crew support training, fuel consumptiion must be included to name a few❤
YES, 16 high end refurbish F16 C/D make sense, remember we can only use those $500M to US hardware's , othe US military equipments are also very expensive, so 16 F16 C/D is already a good choice, remember there is also 400B PHP budget for MRF, then if we can get 16-F16 + 36 MRF, our number of Jets fighters (MRF)will be at 52! 52 MRF + 12 FA50, can protect our country!
F16 C/D is obsolete in avionics and is no match for more modern aircraft. Also it is very expensive to bring F16 C/D up to current avionics standards. Chile and Argentina bought second hand F16 C/D due to lack of money, but they cannot afford to upgrade the avionics to modern standards.
As of today situations in WPS... We need urgent military assets... Secondhand is the best as situation concerned.... Yes brand new is good... But counting years to have those is senseless.... Urgent deliveries of military assets is what our AFP needs as of this moment...
The F-16s are effective. Ukraine used them along with US artillery systems and armored vehicles in their incursion to Russia. Russia is having a hard time to retake their territory. F-16 Vipers would be a big headache for China should they decide to invade the Philippines.
@@vidabs Before the war, they almost bought Rafales.Donno how much Mirage 2000's France is going to donate.But in the long run the Saab Gripen E( short runway take off strategy) might be the best option for Ukraine..
F-16 in Ukraine failed to turn the tide against Russia... Ukraine is losing territories in a big way. Negotiation is the only solution to our current problem in the wps. 1 or 2 squadron of F-16 will not scare the chinese armed forces. Even the US is not sure they will win in direct confrontation with china. That is why US is using us to challenge china on their behalf. Just like what they did in ukraine (proxy war- no US boots on the ground). That is how uncle sam love the Phils.
It really don't matter, how many or what type of aircraft they purchase. As soon as the FMS contract is over after 3-5 years the aircraft would be grounded to due lack of parts. Just look what has happen to the C-130 aircraft programs over the years and how many C-130 aircraft are fully operational today (Just 2) which was recently donated again.
If the Philippines will eventually buy Saab JAS-39 and expand its FA-50 fleet, then it might as well forget about the F-16s. If we get F-16s, on top of the JAS-39s and FA-50s, we will have to spend more on buying a separate set of maintenance spares for the F-16s, spend more for separate training program for F-16s pilots, and spend more on training another set of maintenance personnel to support the F-16s. Our maintenance and support requirements will become too complex that we might fail to effectively maintain any of our new defense assets. We're better off using the money in other more worthy investments like additional military transport aircraft like C-130s , or additional radar system, or air additional defense missile or gun systems.
Buy many as possible for homeland and territorial defense. It secures our ground troops and helps when pindown. If there is more extra budget make sure put it in aerial or missile defense for a reason that ph can protect the skies. The waters is usually watch by ally countries so china cant do much. Ph need air superiority and tactical pilots. Our groundteam is superb and best of best already. They will not surrender. We need aerial advancement
My opinion is: buy the package of: half of the lower-end version and half of the higher-end version and what happens in the next 3- 5 years. After the trial period of 3-5 years, for sure, a wiser decisions could be made by then.
The Philippines is also considering purchasing a mid-range missile system. So some of that 500 million dollar budget may be allocated to other projects as Philippines is looking for brand new MRFs.
$40M? Talaga.. kasing presyo ng FA50 tapos mas malaki frame at mas maraming armas madadala. Swerte naman nung mga PAF pilots na mag palipad nit at mga ground crew na matrain sa pag repair nito. Wow. Job security sila.
Realistically due to limited budget it should be only a small number considering the size of the Chinese Air Force.. Philippines could concentrate on SAMs and manpads..-in the 10s of thousands and train to use them..
that's good order for the paf and let the Lockheed Martin put up the factory of military factory of F16 here so that spare parts provision may become available.
I believe FA-50 is a better alternative for phl. Because they are already accustomed to FA-50. There's a saying that it's not the plane, but the pilot utilizing it.
How long will a squadron or 2 of FA-50’s last in a shooting war against China? Philippines must resist the temptation to buy expensive systems especially since the capex is only the start of the spending and losing all of them in the first hours of a hot war is a definite eventuality. PH needs to be smarter with its resources and invest heavily in robot drone aircraft and seacraft as it's offensive weapons and buy a lot more of those Brahmos supersonic cruise missiles anti-ship variants to defend the home islands. The Ukrainians have shown the world what the future battlefield would look like and the Philippines would be wise to study the lessons about how a severely overmatched military should fight against a much stronger opponent.
@@luarbiasawaras8700 1-on-1? Ok, depends on the pilot. 3-on-1? 5-on-1? 10-on-1? PH cannot field enough fighter numbers to matter. Not to mention the SAMs that can out-range the FA-50. Does the PAF even have anti-ship missiles? Don't waste scant resources on expensive toys that won't have any impact against a behemoth like our neighbor to the west.
Refurbished. Ouch. Philippines is always pigeonholed into this kind of deals. It's more prudent to wait for block 70/72. In the end, it will offer more capability and longevity. The pressing need of the Philippines does not rest critically on the PAF. The more serious need is for more Naval capabilities-both qualitative and quantitative
12 Vipers...1 squadron @ 40M per. too costly, even re-conditioned considering purchase of ordinance, cost-per-flight hrs., pilot training, maintenance, etc. I'd prefer the 500M be used to purchase missile (offense/defense) anti air and anti ship mostly, "iron dome" defenses for strategic locations, offensive drones, etc. More bang for your buck ika nga!
The DND will go for refurbished F16 if they are decided to acquire F16 as stop gap since its easier and faster to get hold of it. Agree with anti air and anti ship but no iron dome since its an FMF , US made weapons only.😊 thanks for your comment.
@@incognitoone yes . FMF are funds exclusively for US made weapons only. If we want "iron dome" Philippines should shelve out money to acquire it. Like our govt did to SPYDER air defense.😊
I think your estimate is spot on. $ 500M is just a part of the total $2.5B ,the US Govt. has earmarked for us. We can only speculate as to how they would spend it on their(AFP/DND) choice of American equipment.
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Yeah, we needed those MRF's many years ago, but I'm kinda guessing that our Airforce will get it's wish granted, as for the Navy & Army, not sure if they'll even get "table scraps" from this US Military Aid. (Total $2.5B)
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Just read your message. Listen, the word "table scraps," it's an idiomatic expression, which means meagre remainings of anything. Now, I'm not a 5 year old child who you can tell what words to use, or what sentences to write. Not sure if I want to watch your channel anymore as you "obviously" have a bad habit of "nit-picking," the problem of which is that it's not even defense related, you just didn't like the way i expressed my words. Really "not cool"on your part!!!
The f16 wasn't really considered according to officials, as it's over the budget of Philippines. Last news were talking about close discussions and interests for the Gripen, which fits in the Philippines budget.
Is it true that the Philippines will choose to upgrade the old F-16 to the US Block 50? The Philippines does not have enough money for the new aircraft.
The Phils can increase the amount if president' s prioeity is really to modernized our defense. That should rather than money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials
we need the F-16 C/D model na block 50/52 para naka AESA radar na.. ok na ung 10 to 12 units. right now, we have 12 FA-50's and in training with our allies, our pilots have shown their skills in shooting 5th gen fighters down, we owe it to them to give them the best equipment our budget can afford.. siguro, we should allocate 500 million dollars every 2 to 3 years, that way, we can beef up our PAF..
Kahit matapos ang rehoraizon 3 mahina parin ang afp.dapat isa pang modernisation program para maparami ang mga barko at missiles natin at mga fightet jet at kagamitan natin d2 sa pilipinas
The question is How Many F-16 or Gripen do we need for credible deterrence posture.. What kind of Fighter Jets that is really suitable for Philippine Defense need?? It's time for the PHilippine to acquire brand new MRF and not second hand that is not fit for modern day defense warfare..
That's why I'm not a fan of F16's for the Philippine Air Force. Adding from that reasons mentioned is its high cost operation and maintenance expenses compared to Jas 39 Gripen and FA50. The Philippines has so many indigent citizens and various other government expenses to take care of not just defense. The aim of procuring is to defend the nation effectively the country but not to justify some F16 fans' or other nation's wishes. I guess Jas 39 Gripen and FA50 are capable able enough to do the job.
The REAL question is how many can you operate and maintain long term on the annual O&M budget for Air Defense Operations. The JAS-39 may come at greater cost / unit, but you can operate and maintain more of them longer with more fully mission capable flying hours to boot. The F-16s will be Numerous and Parked waiting for budget/parts.
@@eddiehah9842 they already did it. The existing budget can buy 14 Gripen C/D jets. But the issue is the below minimum numbers for Gripen C after Hungary took 4 of the 14 jets. For Gripen E, it is more of the expensive side.
Brand new na bilhin kahit konti lang ang mabili, mauubos lang ang pera ng Pinas sa maintenance at repairs. Baka pag giyera na nasa talyer pa mga iyan. 😊
a more realistic compensation is US$ 2 billion...the FA-50s that we have for 12 units was around 400 million dollars or roughly 18 billion pesos. 500 million dollars would be for 5 o 6 refurbished F-16s. The govt should think this through. If the US and other allied nations can donate their F-16s such as what they did to Ukraine, probably the 500 million be for the munitions. Ukraine now has around 80 donated F-16s. If only we could get half of that inventory.
Not just Ukraina, the US also donated about 40 F-16 to Indonesia, the airplanes were free but the refurbishment and delivery was not. Indonesia spent $750 millions for that
I would like to see the Philippines start producing their own domestic weapons. They have an educated population. They have many underemployed or unemployed engineers. I believe like Thaiwan they can design and build their own. With some directed investment it can be done.
Dapat yong $500M na bigay ay ibulsa na lang ng mga politico kasi wala naman talaga balak bumili etong admin na eto. Sa loob ng 3years wala naman talaga contract pa para bumili.
The question is not correct Remember the Philippines had a budget of 62 billion pesos or USD 1.1 Billion then Add the USD 500 million based on FMF total amount would be 1.6 Billion which Lockhead Martin can workout Your explanation is not correct.Philippines is US main ally and is entitled to Excess Defense Acquisition( EDA) meaning Philippines can receive used military assets at cost free only the refurbishment will be charged for F16 of any block the latest is F16 Block 52 or class C and D The negotiation with US is for Philippines to buy new 12 Nos x F16 Block 70 without the extra Engines , missiles .The new F16 will cost USD 60 million x 12 or 720 million then Lockheed Martin will go through with the cost of USED F16 Block 52 to be retrofitted to Block 70 how much will cost for 36 nos 3 squadron via EDA.Initially 24 Nos of F16 Block 52 will be retrofitted to Block 70 while 12 Nos ,1 squadron will be hot transferred to the Philippines for PAF used as the the 12 nos new F16 Block 70 will only be delivered in 3 to 4 years and the block 52 will be retrofitted i. 2 to 3 years. Cost of 36 nos retrofit to Block 70 @ USD 40 million based on Morroco's contract with Lockhead Martin of their old F16 to Block 70 The cost of Retrofit for Philippines will be charged to US FMF USD 500 million per year to USD 1.5 billion in 3 years
Used aircraft has been sold to PAF in time in memorial flying coffins -- F8 Crusader -- lots of good pinoy pilots lost their lives in used aircraft enough is enough tamana used american fighter jets !
Sana dyan sa $500 million ay kumuha ang Pilipinas ng 6 unit na F16 block 70 every year kay wala tayong talagang pambili mas marami kasing malalim ang bulsa katulad ngayon na mayrong ini imbistigahan na pera ng DepEd nagrequest ng 11 billion piso ang ginastos lang eh halagang 2 billion + lang saan na yong kulang2 9 billion piso
This is Misunderstanding; The US Government will give a 500 Million USD to the Philippines Every year as a Part of FMF Security Aid. From 2025 to 2029 the US will give 500M USD Annual. A total of 2.5 Billion USD for FMF financial defense
It is ACTUALLY a synergistic affect of interecation of the two. Bad pilot in great aircraft will not get you anywhere. Great pilots in sub-standard aircraft is the same story, but just a little less so. A great pilot/capable aviator in an excellent and capable aircraft is just damn near unbeatable. th-cam.com/video/eEX8JJ0eXL4/w-d-xo.html The Gripen can do everything the F-16 can do in any model. The F-16 cannot do everything the Gripen can do regardless of model. The greatest and largest weapons protfolio is via the Gripen.
@@RacerX1971 NOT a fair comparison. The JAS-39E has capabilities very similar, and even better in EW than the F-35. The F-16s cannot even touch that in the Blk 72 Viper. Now to get jets on the ramp soon the used birds are a fairly good idea, but long term it will break the bank with escalating O&M costs. Everyone knows it, but Lockheed Martin will never tell you that. The only way the Philippines could pull that off is if they became the F-16 Depot for the Region, and I do not see Lockheed Martin doing that. The Israeli F-16s may have better support because they built in more efficiency in their birds because they are a small country with few resources. The Europeans all ganged together and had plants that actually built the birds and provided Depot maintenance and NATO supported all those birds. YOU HAVE NO SUCH CONSTRUCT to support your F-16s . . . so you better get New Ones in five years, or get Great Logistical Support written into the contract with who ever you get them from.
Philippine government should acquire a refurbished legendary F-15 jets instead of F-16, F-15 is super proven just ask the Israel Air Force, proven in battle that it can even fly with one wing and fly in a very short run way, two engines instead of one engine and it could even carry tonnage of weapons and the F-15 has the capability to destroy satellites through its missiles systems. The initial acquisitions could be 10-15 F-15’s. Peace
refurbished F-16 how long it will last and how old these fighterjet and beside what needs to refurbish and upgrade i dont think buying refurbish F-16 was not practical better switch to newest version of FA-50 same the price of refurbished F-16 worth 25million at 25million philippine airforce has newest version of FA-50
500 m ÷ 20m= 25 units of HIMARS That's a more appropriate use of that money . Easier to operate, would give the philippine army some 300 -500 kilometers operational reach with ammo like ATACMS & PRSM , keeping invading sea vessels away from our shores . Well the drawbacks are , it must protected by SAM in the form of MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS, SPAAG , MRF which are complementary with your MLRS . 😁😁
Subok na kasi sa maraming digmaan ang F16 sa US man o sa ibang bansa na nakabili nito . Pero Ok din yung Jas Grepin na gawa ng Sweden at FA50 na gawa ng South Korea...Kelangan kasi ng Pinas yung multi-role fighter..
Right now we dont have a choice but to acquire refurbished F16 to complement existing F/A50 , it is the faster way to get MRF. Rafale and Gripen are good but we are talking about the $500M grant of the US, wc means US weapons only. If France and Sweden offers Philippines a good and affordable payment scheme why not😊
@@VictoryZone28 Rafale is full until 2030s. Gripen E is above budget. Gripen C is below minimum quantity needed. And US funding grants are CANNOT be used in acquiring non-US weapons. Only US made weapons.
i think its is correct idia to buy 25 f 16 to the Philippines air force because in this situation so in the west Philippines sea its big help to protect the Philippines territory against the bullying countries like china i hope they can immediately deliver to the Philippines go go bbm
The US already priced dozens of f16 for $2.43 billion but ph budget for this is only $1.1 billion. So it's pretty impossible right now for ph to buy f16
There is nothing to suggest this military aid to the Philippines is a loan. The US described the aid as an investment and that it was granted. The US and Philippines recently had join operations in one of the largest ever maritime exercises in the region. Specifically some of this aid is for construction and improvements to military bases the US will be using with Philippines military forces.
We already have the budget through MOD funding, BBM already gave the go signal, USA gave a grant. The hold out is the usual lingering practice that has been a mainstay in government decisions. Kinukupal na nga Tayo nagshoshoping pa which is more expensive than simply buying, kahit ano na Basta bumili na.
Daming factors naglalagay sa decision papano gagamitin na 500 million usd pagbili n used F16 vipers while the grifen is brand new 14 units with 2 units of globaleye surveillance in th new package offered by Saab hehehe !
Yup agree too many factors to consider. But then we cannot use the $500M since its a US grant . We can only use ot to acquire US made weapons.thanks for your comment😊
@@Defense-Forces-Insight The actual problem is with the DND, delaying the acquitition. The money is there, then why the DND cannot make their decision. Its been a constant problem since 2013, the DND always delayed or cancel some of the acquitition for AFP modernization, it is bette that the modenization program should be direct from the President. And regarding the Gripen, I don't know why the DND cancel it when it has different allocated budget. The budget for the Gripen comes from the Re-Horizon 3. You know what, I've been monitoring these modernization program since pnoy time, the problem is in the DND it seems someone out there is a puppet of China. Every administration we changed the DND Secretary, but the problem still there, the delaying of procurement caused by the DND agency. Something fishy in the DND.
@@VinceAgacita the real problem is the acquisition program of the govt and of course the lower and upper house whoa has control of the budget. DND and AFP had been requesting for a bigger chunk of the bufgetbfor modernization but nothing happened, lawmakers always use the "in aid of legislation" to increase the AFP modernization budget but in reality its just a lip service.
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Aside from that, the DND too is the hindrance of this AFP modernization, I've been observing the DND since the beginning of the revised AFP modernization. The budget for such project was already there but the DND prolonged the acquitition, the DND would look for another equipment for such project when infact its only a matter of signing/approving it, the delays plus inflation leads to sometimes cancel the project or look for cheaper brand or change it...
More important question: How many corrupt Filipino politicians want $500M in their pockets Filipinos are well know for one thing and one thin Only, Free Handouts!
Most people here think that the $500million US grant is literally money?? Wrong, they are like “gift checks/ vouchers” used to acquire US weapons PH chooses. US taxpayer money goes to US defense companies, they earn while PH will be having the chosen equipments. Hindi makakakurakot mga gahaman.
It's simply LOAN. Philippines has to pay that $500M grant and IT WAS NOT GIVEN BY AMERICA FOR FREE!
@@hardchaps for sure the payment will be oil if we dig up there less tax for america because America helps our country like that because our past administration is stupid to not prioritize the security of our country.
The US and the Philippines met to discuss the continued use and development of military bases, strengthening security ties, improving intelligence and providing mutual defense of the region. There is nothing to suggest this is a loan, in fact it is being described as military aid or a grant.
@@hardchaps its not loan, its a grant
@@hardchapsit is not a loan FYI
It doesnt matter weather it was a second hand, refurbished, or use F-16AM/BM or the new variant of the F-16V Block 70/72, the Philippines need those F-16 as soon as possible
@@josephdioneda2881 yup same here ill go with refurbished asap for the stop gap.😊
as long as walang metal fatigue yung airframe...
@@temujin0911 sa palagay ko naman bok walang problema ang airframe ng mga unit ng lumang F-16 dahil kung meron ay hindi na ipagbibili yung mga F-16A/B, Block 20 variants sa mga bansang gaya ng Taiwan, Argentina at Ukraine ng parehong nakakuha ng mga ganitong variants mula sa U.S at mga NATO allies na mga dating user ng mga nasabing combat aircraft
@@josephdioneda2881 let's hope so, sana makuha natin yung variant na meron upgraded avionics/ecm/navigation and weapon loadout...
Suntok sa buwan
It is not just the actual cost of aircraft. Hidden cost like munitions, maintenance of aircraft, pilot and crew support training, fuel consumptiion must be included to name a few❤
YES, 16 high end refurbish F16 C/D make sense, remember we can only use those $500M to US hardware's , othe US military equipments are also very expensive, so 16 F16 C/D is already a good choice, remember there is also 400B PHP budget for MRF, then if we can get 16-F16 + 36 MRF, our number of Jets fighters (MRF)will be at 52! 52 MRF + 12 FA50, can protect our country!
👍 Yup . On point brother. Thanks for your comment😉
F16 C/D is obsolete in avionics and is no match for more modern aircraft. Also it is very expensive to bring F16 C/D up to current avionics standards. Chile and Argentina bought second hand F16 C/D due to lack of money, but they cannot afford to upgrade the avionics to modern standards.
As of today situations in WPS... We need urgent military assets... Secondhand is the best as situation concerned.... Yes brand new is good... But counting years to have those is senseless.... Urgent deliveries of military assets is what our AFP needs as of this moment...
Against the 4th and 5th generation of fighter jets of China and the quantity, no match..and beside wala sa plano ng AFP kumuha ng F16..
f16 is a multi role aircraft tested yan sa lahat ng gyera ng US at ang mga bansa na gumagamit
The F-16s are effective. Ukraine used them along with US artillery systems and armored vehicles in their incursion to Russia. Russia is having a hard time to retake their territory. F-16 Vipers would be a big headache for China should they decide to invade the Philippines.
@@vidabs yup its a deterent after all. Thanks for the comment.😊
@@vidabs Before the war, they almost bought Rafales.Donno how much Mirage 2000's France is going to donate.But in the long run the Saab Gripen E( short runway take off strategy) might be the best option for Ukraine..
F-16 in Ukraine failed to turn the tide against Russia... Ukraine is losing territories in a big way. Negotiation is the only solution to our current problem in the wps. 1 or 2 squadron of F-16 will not scare the chinese armed forces. Even the US is not sure they will win in direct confrontation with china. That is why US is using us to challenge china on their behalf. Just like what they did in ukraine (proxy war- no US boots on the ground). That is how uncle sam love the Phils.
It really don't matter, how many or what type of aircraft they purchase. As soon as the FMS contract is over after 3-5 years the aircraft would be grounded to due lack of parts. Just look what has happen to the C-130 aircraft programs over the years and how many C-130 aircraft are fully operational today (Just 2) which was recently donated again.
If the Philippines will eventually buy Saab JAS-39 and expand its FA-50 fleet, then it might as well forget about the F-16s. If we get F-16s, on top of the JAS-39s and FA-50s, we will have to spend more on buying a separate set of maintenance spares for the F-16s, spend more for separate training program for F-16s pilots, and spend more on training another set of maintenance personnel to support the F-16s. Our maintenance and support requirements will become too complex that we might fail to effectively maintain any of our new defense assets. We're better off using the money in other more worthy investments like additional military transport aircraft like C-130s , or additional radar system, or air additional defense missile or gun systems.
God bless and more power USA AND PHILIPPINE. AND MR. PRESIDENT BBM.
Better to buy few but most advance jet fighter because you dont need it to upgrade. Because quantity doesnt matter but quality is the most matter.
Its better to choose typhon missiles, and Himars rather than F 16 . The maintenance of F16 are expensive compare to missiles easily to maintain.
Buy many as possible for homeland and territorial defense. It secures our ground troops and helps when pindown. If there is more extra budget make sure put it in aerial or missile defense for a reason that ph can protect the skies. The waters is usually watch by ally countries so china cant do much. Ph need air superiority and tactical pilots. Our groundteam is superb and best of best already. They will not surrender. We need aerial advancement
Yes, the Philippines must buy those aircrafts to have at least a fighting chance against the bully in that part of the world.
Maybe Phils will purchase Half Dozen F-16 B and 14 Latest Model of Korean Fighter Plane! Total of twenty!
Korea is offering the latest technology at a cheaper price
My opinion is: buy the package of: half of the lower-end version and half of the higher-end version and what happens in the next 3-
5 years. After the trial period of 3-5 years, for sure, a wiser decisions could be made by then.
The Philippines is also considering purchasing a mid-range missile system. So some of that 500 million dollar budget may be allocated to other projects as Philippines is looking for brand new MRFs.
40 F-16 Vipers!!!
$40M? Talaga.. kasing presyo ng FA50 tapos mas malaki frame at mas maraming armas madadala. Swerte naman nung mga PAF pilots na mag palipad nit at mga ground crew na matrain sa pag repair nito. Wow. Job security sila.
yep beneficial sa ground crew at familiarization ng pilots. Kahit hindi long term ok pa din tho gamit na ung mga frames.
Go for it
Realistically due to limited budget it should be only a small number considering the size of the Chinese Air Force.. Philippines could concentrate on SAMs and manpads..-in the 10s of thousands and train to use them..
$500m pag ibinili lahat yan ng f16 jet.... wala ng makukurakut ang government jan.😅 kawawa naman sila nd madadagdagan yaman nila😅😅😅
that's good order for the paf and let the Lockheed Martin put up the factory of military factory of F16 here so that spare parts provision may become available.
Yung 2nd hand muna na f-16 muna dahil need na talaga . At sa US din naman ang mag finance nun..then yung viper naman ang sunod..
Yup agree . Refurbished F16 then the bnew F16V block 70.thanks for your comment😊
Application of the new hypersonic weapons to the USA and Philippines aircrafts and vessels in the South China Sea is amazing and eye-catching.
I believe FA-50 is a better alternative for phl. Because they are already accustomed to FA-50. There's a saying that it's not the plane, but the pilot utilizing it.
FA50 is good but F-16 is the best.
How long will a squadron or 2 of FA-50’s last in a shooting war against China? Philippines must resist the temptation to buy expensive systems especially since the capex is only the start of the spending and losing all of them in the first hours of a hot war is a definite eventuality. PH needs to be smarter with its resources and invest heavily in robot drone aircraft and seacraft as it's offensive weapons and buy a lot more of those Brahmos supersonic cruise missiles anti-ship variants to defend the home islands. The Ukrainians have shown the world what the future battlefield would look like and the Philippines would be wise to study the lessons about how a severely overmatched military should fight against a much stronger opponent.
@@renmedalla actually FA50 is adequate to match with any chinese aircraft, except their 5th generation fighter jet.
@@luarbiasawaras8700 1-on-1? Ok, depends on the pilot. 3-on-1? 5-on-1? 10-on-1? PH cannot field enough fighter numbers to matter. Not to mention the SAMs that can out-range the FA-50. Does the PAF even have anti-ship missiles? Don't waste scant resources on expensive toys that won't have any impact against a behemoth like our neighbor to the west.
@@renmedalla what Chinese aircraft could fly from china to the Philippines?
Great vid. Hopefully Amb. Romualdez' statement of possible 3 Billion USD in Military Aid comes true.
@@avantegarde123 Thanks!😊 thanks for your comment😊
The re-horizon could get around 45 to 65 aircraft including training maintenance and spare parts.
Go ahead to boost our nation securerity..f16 is the best guard for phil.
Refurbished. Ouch. Philippines is always pigeonholed into this kind of deals.
It's more prudent to wait for block 70/72. In the end, it will offer more capability and longevity.
The pressing need of the Philippines does not rest critically on the PAF. The more
serious need is for more Naval capabilities-both qualitative and quantitative
Sana kumuha narin ng AH-64E APACHE HELICOPTER
12 Vipers...1 squadron @ 40M per. too costly, even re-conditioned considering purchase of ordinance, cost-per-flight hrs., pilot training, maintenance, etc. I'd prefer the 500M be used to purchase missile (offense/defense) anti air and anti ship mostly, "iron dome" defenses for strategic locations, offensive drones, etc. More bang for your buck ika nga!
The DND will go for refurbished F16 if they are decided to acquire F16 as stop gap since its easier and faster to get hold of it. Agree with anti air and anti ship but no iron dome since its an FMF , US made weapons only.😊 thanks for your comment.
@@Defense-Forces-Insight No FMF even if country of origin is an ally?
@@incognitoone yes . FMF are funds exclusively for US made weapons only. If we want "iron dome" Philippines should shelve out money to acquire it. Like our govt did to SPYDER air defense.😊
I think your estimate is spot on. $ 500M is just a part of the total $2.5B ,the US Govt. has earmarked for us.
We can only speculate as to how they would spend it on their(AFP/DND) choice of American equipment.
@@user-uc9qt1mc5i we need MRF asap , and the way to acquire is use the FMF. Agree we can only speculate what kind and how they would use the FMF.
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Yeah, we needed those MRF's many years ago, but I'm kinda guessing that our Airforce will get it's wish granted, as for the Navy & Army, not sure if they'll even get "table scraps" from this US Military Aid. (Total $2.5B)
@@user-uc9qt1mc5i keepimg my fingers crossed brod not "table scraps" or hands me down equiptment😊
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Just read your message. Listen, the word "table scraps," it's an idiomatic expression, which means meagre remainings of anything.
Now, I'm not a 5 year old child who you can tell what words to use, or what sentences to write.
Not sure if I want to watch your channel anymore as you "obviously" have a bad habit of "nit-picking," the problem of which is that it's not even defense related, you just didn't like the way i expressed my words.
Really "not cool"on your part!!!
Pls buy brand new f16s for longer lifespan and lower maintenace cost and very safe for our pilots
The f16 wasn't really considered according to officials, as it's over the budget of Philippines. Last news were talking about close discussions and interests for the Gripen, which fits in the Philippines budget.
Is it true that the Philippines will choose to upgrade the old F-16 to the US Block 50? The Philippines does not have enough money for the new aircraft.
The $500M FMF will be use of necessary.
Hurry up so that when the time comes it will be in time.@@Defense-Forces-Insight
purchase 5 units...the balance of the $500 m is for the hidden cost like maintenance; munitions; etc..,
after 20yrs to Philippines
It needs billions of dollars of a 1 Squadrons or 12 fighter planes including ammunitions, parts,training,maintenance, and logistics.
The Phils can increase the amount if president' s prioeity is really to modernized our defense. That should rather than money goes to the pocket of corrupt officials
we need the F-16 C/D model na block 50/52 para naka AESA radar na.. ok na ung 10 to 12 units. right now, we have 12 FA-50's and in training with our allies, our pilots have shown their skills in shooting 5th gen fighters down, we owe it to them to give them the best equipment our budget can afford.. siguro, we should allocate 500 million dollars every 2 to 3 years, that way, we can beef up our PAF..
Yes we have one of the best pilot we should give them the best mrf there is😊
Kahit matapos ang rehoraizon 3 mahina parin ang afp.dapat isa pang modernisation program para maparami ang mga barko at missiles natin at mga fightet jet at kagamitan natin d2 sa pilipinas
Gibo Teodoro already said from the House Hearing that the 500 M Dollars will not go to buy MRF but for the Command and Control System and Facilities.
Hintay! Dahan-dahan lang tayo. Baka mabilaukan tayo. Ngayon nga lang tayo nagsisimulang bumili ng aircrafts e😅😅😅
The question is How Many F-16 or Gripen do we need for credible deterrence posture..
What kind of Fighter Jets that is really suitable for Philippine Defense need??
It's time for the PHilippine to acquire brand new MRF and not second hand that is not fit for modern day defense warfare..
That's why I'm not a fan of F16's for the Philippine Air Force. Adding from that reasons mentioned is its high cost operation and maintenance expenses compared to Jas 39 Gripen and FA50. The Philippines has so many indigent citizens and various other government expenses to take care of not just defense. The aim of procuring is to defend the nation effectively the country but not to justify some F16 fans' or other nation's wishes. I guess Jas 39 Gripen and FA50 are capable able enough to do the job.
The REAL question is how many can you operate and maintain long term on the annual O&M budget for Air Defense Operations. The JAS-39 may come at greater cost / unit, but you can operate and maintain more of them longer with more fully mission capable flying hours to boot. The F-16s will be Numerous and Parked waiting for budget/parts.
Although our air force needs more multirole aircraft. Our coast guard and navy should be given new ships.
Wala yan sa bagal ng desisyon lalaban nalang tayo wag natin asahan yan mabagal maarte gobyerno natin eh yabang ang nauuna
At 63M$ each you can by 7 to 8 units. 40 units for 2.5 B$.
DND will go for refurbished F16 as stop gap MRF. Thanks for your comment😊
I suggest PH Air Force opts for Saab Gripen, a newer and more advanced jet.
@@eddiehah9842 they already did it. The existing budget can buy 14 Gripen C/D jets. But the issue is the below minimum numbers for Gripen C after Hungary took 4 of the 14 jets. For Gripen E, it is more of the expensive side.
Brand new na bilhin kahit konti lang ang mabili, mauubos lang ang pera ng Pinas sa maintenance at repairs. Baka pag giyera na nasa talyer pa mga iyan. 😊
The latest model is good
a more realistic compensation is US$ 2 billion...the FA-50s that we have for 12 units was around 400 million dollars or roughly 18 billion pesos. 500 million dollars would be for 5 o 6 refurbished F-16s. The govt should think this through. If the US and other allied nations can donate their F-16s such as what they did to Ukraine, probably the 500 million be for the munitions. Ukraine now has around 80 donated F-16s. If only we could get half of that inventory.
Not just Ukraina, the US also donated about 40 F-16 to Indonesia, the airplanes were free but the refurbishment and delivery was not. Indonesia spent $750 millions for that
A squadron of 2nd-hand F16 Fighting Falcon would be wonderful with AIM-120 or AIM-9 and other antiship missiles will be fine.
Agree with your suggestion.thanks for your comment😉
For now, it is! But the next annual aid for the next 4 years needs to be conservative by distributing it evenly on all military branches!
@@emmanuellizardo7793 agree😉
Philippines will buy definitely..and PBBM Administration will increase the defense budget..
I would like to see the Philippines start producing their own domestic weapons. They have an educated population. They have many underemployed or unemployed engineers. I believe like Thaiwan they can design and build their own. With some directed investment it can be done.
Dapat yong $500M na bigay ay ibulsa na lang ng mga politico kasi wala naman talaga balak bumili etong admin na eto. Sa loob ng 3years wala naman talaga contract pa para bumili.
@@robertkenney6752 Yes if Taiwan can do it , Philippines too. the DND now starts the SRDP program for the AFP 😊
But most government officials are heavily corrupt
The question is not correct Remember the Philippines had a budget of 62 billion pesos or USD 1.1 Billion then Add the USD 500 million based on FMF total amount would be 1.6 Billion which Lockhead Martin can workout
Your explanation is not correct.Philippines is US main ally and is entitled to Excess Defense Acquisition( EDA) meaning Philippines can receive used military assets at cost free only the refurbishment will be charged for F16 of any block the latest is F16 Block 52 or class C and D
The negotiation with US is for Philippines to buy new 12 Nos x F16 Block 70 without the extra Engines , missiles .The new F16 will cost USD 60 million x 12 or 720 million then Lockheed Martin will go through with the cost of USED F16 Block 52 to be retrofitted to Block 70 how much will cost for 36 nos 3 squadron via EDA.Initially 24 Nos of F16 Block 52 will be retrofitted to Block 70 while 12 Nos ,1 squadron will be hot transferred to the Philippines for PAF used as the the 12 nos new F16 Block 70 will only be delivered in 3 to 4 years and the block 52 will be retrofitted i. 2 to 3 years.
Cost of 36 nos retrofit to Block 70 @ USD 40 million based on Morroco's contract with Lockhead Martin of their old F16 to Block 70 The cost of Retrofit for Philippines will be charged to US FMF USD 500 million per year to USD 1.5 billion in 3 years
The video is about a hypothetical question, "what if?".thanks for your comment😊
should used that 500 M dollars to buy F 16 jet fighters
Used aircraft has been sold to PAF in time in memorial flying coffins -- F8 Crusader -- lots of good pinoy pilots lost their lives in used aircraft enough is enough tamana used american fighter jets !
Refurbished F-16 is better than having nothing at all.
Agree😊
Against 4.5 generation fighters? Good luck!
Sana dyan sa $500 million ay kumuha ang Pilipinas ng 6 unit na F16 block 70 every year kay wala tayong talagang pambili mas marami kasing malalim ang bulsa katulad ngayon na mayrong ini imbistigahan na pera ng DepEd nagrequest ng 11 billion piso ang ginastos lang eh halagang 2 billion + lang saan na yong kulang2 9 billion piso
Better acquire Saab Gripen E
Better more FA 50 Fighting Eagle 🦅 25 PCs in Luzon, 25 PCs in Visayas and 25 PCs in Mindanao and 25 PCs for back up
New airframes, please.
It will take sometime possibly a couple of years if we pursue the brand new F16😊
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For $500 million dollars, Philippines will aquire more brand new jet fighters from Sweden.
The $500M is a US grant which is exclusive foe US armament only. Thanks for your comment😉
yes it is practical 500 mDS
This is Misunderstanding;
The US Government will give a 500 Million USD to the Philippines Every year as a Part of FMF Security Aid.
From 2025 to 2029 the US will give 500M USD Annual. A total of 2.5 Billion USD for FMF financial defense
@@neiljanverga2875 the video is about the initial $500M " what if the dnd decided to buy the whole $500M for just F16". Thanks for your comment.😊
How much is a submarine?
It is not the plane. It's the pilot. Refurbished or not, it is F-16.
It is ACTUALLY a synergistic affect of interecation of the two. Bad pilot in great aircraft will not get you anywhere. Great pilots in sub-standard aircraft is the same story, but just a little less so. A great pilot/capable aviator in an excellent and capable aircraft is just damn near unbeatable. th-cam.com/video/eEX8JJ0eXL4/w-d-xo.html
The Gripen can do everything the F-16 can do in any model. The F-16 cannot do everything the Gripen can do regardless of model. The greatest and largest weapons protfolio is via the Gripen.
@@MultiCconway so true
@@MultiCconway , Gripen is so good that they sold how many, compared to f16?
@@RacerX1971 NOT a fair comparison. The JAS-39E has capabilities very similar, and even better in EW than the F-35. The F-16s cannot even touch that in the Blk 72 Viper. Now to get jets on the ramp soon the used birds are a fairly good idea, but long term it will break the bank with escalating O&M costs. Everyone knows it, but Lockheed Martin will never tell you that. The only way the Philippines could pull that off is if they became the F-16 Depot for the Region, and I do not see Lockheed Martin doing that. The Israeli F-16s may have better support because they built in more efficiency in their birds because they are a small country with few resources. The Europeans all ganged together and had plants that actually built the birds and provided Depot maintenance and NATO supported all those birds. YOU HAVE NO SUCH CONSTRUCT to support your F-16s . . . so you better get New Ones in five years, or get Great Logistical Support written into the contract with who ever you get them from.
@@MultiCconway same can also be said for the JAS-39 Gripen, as all other planes.
Can buy 3~4 F-16 Vipers for $500.
They should get the JAS Gripens instead
F16s are only force multiplier . Its not like f35s
Philippine government should acquire a refurbished legendary F-15 jets instead of F-16, F-15 is super proven just ask the Israel Air Force, proven in battle that it can even fly with one wing and fly in a very short run way, two engines instead of one engine and it could even carry tonnage of weapons and the F-15 has the capability to destroy satellites through its missiles systems. The initial acquisitions could be 10-15 F-15’s. Peace
refurbished F-16 how long it will last and how old these fighterjet and beside what needs to refurbish and upgrade i dont think buying refurbish F-16 was not practical better switch to newest version of FA-50 same the price of refurbished F-16 worth 25million
at 25million philippine airforce has newest version of FA-50
500 m ÷ 20m= 25 units of HIMARS
That's a more appropriate use of that money .
Easier to operate, would give the philippine army some 300 -500 kilometers operational reach with ammo like ATACMS & PRSM , keeping invading sea vessels away from our shores .
Well the drawbacks are , it must protected by SAM in the form of MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS, SPAAG , MRF which are complementary with your MLRS . 😁😁
Slmt amerika palkasin pa ang afp good job bbm
D na matuloy yan kpag c trump mnanalo
Subok na kasi sa maraming digmaan ang F16 sa US man o sa ibang bansa na nakabili nito . Pero Ok din yung Jas Grepin na gawa ng Sweden at FA50 na gawa ng South Korea...Kelangan kasi ng Pinas yung multi-role fighter..
$500 million, what about maintenance and weapons, training the pilots...
Its in the video😊
No to Refurbish? just buy Rafaels or Griphen
Right now we dont have a choice but to acquire refurbished F16 to complement existing F/A50 , it is the faster way to get MRF. Rafale and Gripen are good but we are talking about the $500M grant of the US, wc means US weapons only. If France and Sweden offers Philippines a good and affordable payment scheme why not😊
@@Defense-Forces-Insight if it's just to complement the F50 don't buy it. Then just buy a good SAMs.
@@VictoryZone28 Rafale is full until 2030s. Gripen E is above budget. Gripen C is below minimum quantity needed. And US funding grants are CANNOT be used in acquiring non-US weapons. Only US made weapons.
@@johna3142 Then buy other stuffs rather than refurbish.
2 fighters.
Refurb f6 20M to 40M @ /$$500
Dapat yung 500 million dollars NA BIGAY NG AMERICA IBILI LAHAT NG F16
@@Bobcastor325 it all depends on DND . Yes why not its a grant, we should spend it wisely.😊
i think its is correct idia to buy 25 f 16 to the Philippines air force because in this situation so in the west Philippines sea its big help to protect the Philippines territory against the bullying countries like china i hope they can immediately deliver to the Philippines go go bbm
Price of f16 is $63 ,0000.000 each
Brand new ❌
Refurbished ✅
You never included the price of a new F 16 so we will know the computation if a new aircraft will be included in the list.
No refurbished, brand new its ok
$500M to start why not. But we have to wait a couple of years for the F16.😊
Buy only brand new F16 viper 70/72
Magkaroon Tayo Ng air defense capability at naval cause we are archipelago
Huwag ubosin lahat, magtira din para sa maintenance at operation coast din nito..
F16 is heavily outdated today... Maybe ask about F35 ? :D
I dont think the Philippines can afford it the way the admin and the lawmakers think about the modernization.
The US already priced dozens of f16 for $2.43 billion but ph budget for this is only $1.1 billion. So it's pretty impossible right now for ph to buy f16
It's simply LOAN. Philippines has to pay that $500M grant and IT WAS NOT GIVEN BY AMERICA FOR FREE!
There is nothing to suggest this military aid to the Philippines is a loan. The US described the aid as an investment and that it was granted. The US and Philippines recently had join operations in one of the largest ever maritime exercises in the region. Specifically some of this aid is for construction and improvements to military bases the US will be using with Philippines military forces.
Without F16 those loaned money will be wasted..
Its not a loaned but a grant. Yup you are right better acquire F16 since its a grant😊.
We already have the budget through MOD funding, BBM already gave the go signal, USA gave a grant. The hold out is the usual lingering practice that has been a mainstay in government decisions. Kinukupal na nga Tayo nagshoshoping pa which is more expensive than simply buying, kahit ano na Basta bumili na.
@@kadiwareyes4481 politicking and of course waiting for "other form of grant" . 😊thanks for your comment
@@gregoriocol-long2043 agree
Get it as soon as possible before it will be trap to a corrupt project by polpolitikos of our government...
Buy 1,000 attack drones compare to 1 unit f16..
Agree👍
O still longing for the gripens...
Daming factors naglalagay sa decision papano gagamitin na 500 million usd pagbili n used F16 vipers while the grifen is brand new 14 units with 2 units of globaleye surveillance in th new package offered by Saab hehehe !
Yup agree too many factors to consider. But then we cannot use the $500M since its a US grant . We can only use ot to acquire US made weapons.thanks for your comment😊
@@Defense-Forces-Insight The actual problem is with the DND, delaying the acquitition. The money is there, then why the DND cannot make their decision. Its been a constant problem since 2013, the DND always delayed or cancel some of the acquitition for AFP modernization, it is bette that the modenization program should be direct from the President.
And regarding the Gripen, I don't know why the DND cancel it when it has different allocated budget. The budget for the Gripen comes from the Re-Horizon 3.
You know what, I've been monitoring these modernization program since pnoy time, the problem is in the DND it seems someone out there is a puppet of China. Every administration we changed the DND Secretary, but the problem still there, the delaying of procurement caused by the DND agency.
Something fishy in the DND.
@@VinceAgacita the real problem is the acquisition program of the govt and of course the lower and upper house whoa has control of the budget. DND and AFP had been requesting for a bigger chunk of the bufgetbfor modernization but nothing happened, lawmakers always use the "in aid of legislation" to increase the AFP modernization budget but in reality its just a lip service.
@@Defense-Forces-Insight Aside from that, the DND too is the hindrance of this AFP modernization, I've been observing the DND since the beginning of the revised AFP modernization. The budget for such project was already there but the DND prolonged the acquitition, the DND would look for another equipment for such project when infact its only a matter of signing/approving it, the delays plus inflation leads to sometimes cancel the project or look for cheaper brand or change it...
More important question: How many corrupt Filipino politicians want $500M in their pockets
Filipinos are well know for one thing and one thin Only, Free Handouts!
Kapag refurbished mga 2 squadron pagbrandnew f16 viper kulang pa budget kya sa used f16 fighting falcon n lng.