I've got a Son 28 hub on a 26" wheel mtb. Yesterday I rode 100km at 20.5kmph average speed. I charged a fully empty Anker 10,000mah power bank. After the 100km ride I powered my phone which has a 5000mah battery. I was able to get the phone to charge from 30%-60%, so roughly 1500 milliamps. I'm using a Sinewave usb charger. To be honest I'm far from impressed. I also have two RAV solar panels which I've used while hiking and I think they're brilliant. In fact in good sunlight I can charge an ipad mini with the 24W version in the same time as i would using mains power with the Apple charger (i.e. not a super fast charger). Personally I wish i'd not bothered buying the Son hub. In all I spent nearly £400 for the rim, wheel build cost, Son hub + Sinewave.
Nice comparison very helpful, I am inclined to want to use both, that way you can use both solutions for 2 different applications, and whilst touring you can charge whilst riding, and even when you stop so you don't lose time.
Thank you for your meticulously detailed comparison between these two means of power generation. Your detailed comparison greatly informs fellow cyclists and is also great viewing too. I had originally intended to fit the beautiful Son XS Dynamo and Edelux 2 Headlight and Son 50mm Rear light to provide lighting and to power an Igaro D2 USB Charger. I then began reading about dynamo drag! There were other factors which slowly became apparent, such as quite how much riding did I intend to be doing at night and the distance and frequency of it, and the light output of the Son XS Dynamo & Edelux lights compared to the high quality, lightweight, inexpensive and high output LED lights which are widely available. There was also the question of whether the Son XS Dynamo could produce sufficient power to fully operate the lights as well as the Igaro USB Charger. Finaly the issues of the additional weight of the Son XS Dynamo & Edelux lights and the cost outlay. I had budgeted around £450 > £500 for the complete Son & Edelux set up, plus £175 for the Igaro Charger. Determining that I was unlikely to want to travel at night and that the aforementioned high output LED lights would suffice, and that my proposed dynamo set up wouldn't really do much for the Igaro's ability to do it's job, and the factors of dynamo drag, weight and cost, I decided against fitting my originally chosen dynamo and lighting system! It was always my intention to supplement the dynamo with a 4 panel compact solar panel capable of being used whilst riding and in camp, and your findings have validated that decision. I'd intended to have a self contained power pack to charge my devices and for the power pack itself to be recharged by the solar panel and Igaro unit to protect the devices being charged. It also occurred to me that the money saved by not buying the dynamo and lights would be sufficient to fund a trip! As I will be using a titanium tent stove I also toyed with the idea of buying a Peltier type device to be able to generate electricity from the heat of my tent stove! Apologies for the length of my post, I tried to keep it concise.
My thoughts are if you can keep the phone screen on for navigation while charging via the dynamo hub, and it doesn't lose charge while you're riding, that's already a big win for me.
Great and informative video!! Thank you!! I agree with Edward that you could probably attach the solar panel to the luggage rack and charge your phone that way. When I tour, I generally have a large surface on top of my panniers to which I could easily attach a solar charger.
Yeah, I actually wished I had the solar panel with me today to do a "ridden test" with the solar panel attached to the bike while I ride and see how that goes. I will have the solar panel with me in the US as soon as borders open up and I can visit home for a few weeks!
The varying power from solar panels can confuse a phone, so you might use the panel to charge a battery pack and the pack to charge you phone. Also, that means you don't need to leave your phone unattended out in the hot sun.
Great, "IRL" comparison test, thanks! My additional thoughts were 1. How much extra weight does the solar panel set up add, and 2. How much extra drag does a dynamo hub produce? On point 2, since nothing's for free, extra work is required to charge stuff up and, presumably you can't "turn the hub off" (resistance is there whether you use it or not). When you spun your wheel, it didn't seem to rotate all that freely. I guess there's a third point too, which would be the relative cost of each option. Please keep the videos coming, I thoroughly enjoy them.
Are you familiar with the channel “Cycleabout”. Alee does a really good dive into dynamo hubs and he addresses your question of resistance really well.
Great video, thank you. Concur 100% Had many bike tours in the south of France, made several chargers for the Hub, ( one of which caught fire at 35mph!) in the end made a charger with a built in battery pack which capped the voltage, and had a usb board with a digital readout of voltage and current. this worked OK, but I had to ride about 40 miles to do what my Anker 15W solar panel would do in an hour of French summer sunshine. Also had the advantage that I could ride in the daytime with my lights on for safety purposes. Incidentally, never trusted the chargers direct to the phone, always went via a power bank, not as efficient, but with an expensive phone, prudent.
I tend to use my SON 28 dynamo paired with a sinewave revolution USB converter when bikepacking. As I’m using the viewranger mapping on my iPhone during my ride. The dynamo keeps the iPhone trickle charging the whole time, so helps to keep phone battery topped up. Less use of my battery power bank later on when camping.
I've got a Son 28 on a 26" wheel mtb also with a sinewave revolution. Yesterday I rode 100km at 20.5km p/hour average speed. I charged an Anker power bank from empty. After 100km I charged my phone. My phone has a 5000mah battery. It charged from 30% to 60%. This means I got about 1500milli amps for my 100km. It's not particularly impressive. I'd love to know if you like your set up. Does my test sound comparable to your experiences.
@@And-rc9yy Probaby the same. I don’t charge my powerbanks with the Dynamo. I just try to keep my iPhone topped up all day using Dynamo, so after cycling I can use my powebanks as and when needed. Using phone as navigation so uses a bit of power.
@@bikepackingadventure7913 Thanks for the reply, I'm half tempted to buy a Cinq 5 pure. This particular usb charger is supposed to give up to 700ma max output, it's also quite a neat device as it's essentially a Ahead top cap. I might just be throwing money down the drain. Incidentally, when I charge my phone (instead of the power bank) I can only just keep it at the same power level. This is even with Wifi and cellular turned off. I'm not a slow cyclist either it's just hard to average much over 20km an hour with weighted panniers. It was probably an expensive mistake buying into the dynamo system in the first place.
Yes.. Thank you for your experiment. I had a solar panel all this long and I keep thinking to get the dynamo, that I think will charge more. So, I'll stick to my solar panels. Thank you.
A solar charger is a useful thing to have, in any event. That it can be used while cycling.. and while on a cycling trip but not actually cycling, is a double bonus.
I agree, its not only about the watts, but also about how & when it works. I like a solar charger juicing a power storage device on board in the charger pocket, where it can capture juice throughout day light hours, without ever adding drag to my ride. That arrangement can recharge devices like phone & radio & lights & even NiMh AA && AAA cells.
Interesting little test, thank you! Not too surprised by the result to be honest and I have to say if I was going for a portable solar panel set up the RAV panels would be my personal choice... 👍🏻✅
Great information. The Brompton Electric provides lighting power and a USB port. It would be great to get some comparison info on charging and consumption during longer day rides or extended travel. Thanks, Dale
My personal killer argument for the dynamo-hub. It's there and I don't have to care for it. It simply works. I also do my dayly commuter rides and I imply have to reley on a working light during the winter. IT! HAS! TO! WORK! PERIOD! Yes, charging the phone is problematic. I'm still wrapping my head around it. In the meantime, I use a powerbank.
Hello Victor, I live in Scotland which is not renowned for its sunshine but my experience with solar panels is that even in overcast conditions my panels generate
Obviously you need both devices ... A Dynamo Hub is an indispensable device on EVERY bike. It is the only way to guarantee reliable lighting on a bike. - And, yes, you can charge your mobile phone with it, but yeah, 3 W at 6 V is not that much and you need the Busch & Müller E-Werk to convert the power and the conversion costs efficiency. The solar panels have all the conversion integrated and are quite efficient nowadays. If you are able to use them during the ride, they are nearly perfect for supplying your mobile device. A perfect Dynamo Hub (SON) cost 260 EUR (wheel included). A solar panel costs between 40 EUR (the RAV power) and 200 EUR.
You need to take cost per watt hour in consideration and weight. It is clear the Solar is a better choice as a bike trekker, you need to consider the places you go. For city the Hub is good but if you need to carry the bike then weight of the bike matters.
Just found your channel and watched all your videos. Great content and extra kudos as you can speak Portuguese ;) I also ride a Brompton on my daily errands here in Lisbon. Very curious on your video setup. What cameras, microphones and how do you mount them. Maybe you could make a video about that. Where can I see your videos in Portuguese?
Hey Miguel, I'll make a video about that soon! I rode along the coast of Portugal back in 2017, from Lisbon to Porto. Portugal é lindo! Meus vídeos em português estão no canal Victor Sabioni.
Hi Victor, great video as usual, how much effort compare not using the dynamo hub, since electricity generated from dynamo required extra mechanical power from your pedal
I'm deciding whether or not I want the Dynamo Hub and I understand there is drag. Most people don't mention anything about the Dynamo Hub other than they got it but anybody doing reviews say there is minor drag. Do you notice it?
If u travel… 👍 cafes and co maybe let u load ur powerbanks for a wile/ for the break if u buy stuff … so if u make a break, try ur luck. The wall outlet always be the best. Train station, airports and co sometimes got outlets for the cleaning personal in the open. 😉 try sitting next to it and borrow some power while making a break or repairing ur bike.
Greta comparison. I would easily use a dynamo as it lights up the road. I´m thinking of a Brompton, I guess this is a Brompton specific dynamo hub as the wheels are small? Does it work well when riding? TIA 👍🏻
That makes me think dyno-charging is only interesting if we ride on tours, and not for shorter distances. But dyno-lights are awesome, because I never have to worry about powering the lights.
Absolutely. I wish I had the solar panel with me today to do a "ridden" test, attaching it to the bags and seeing how well they perform. I'll do that in the future!
I'm thinking about how to attached it to the S-bag or on the rack... if not on my Brompton Radical Chubby trailer ;) Looking forward to see your solution! Thanks for sharing your ideas. Great channel... and great work!
@@NoZenith I copy/paste this from my reply on the manufactorers TH-cam page... How ever there are some issues to adress as well. 1.The wheels don't really fit in the top zipper. You have to deflate them to make them fit! However Radical Design in Holland can make you an extra Wheel bag for you that can be strapped on top of the cart to solve that problem. The trailer is also made for another small folding bike that have smaller tires... so thats why. And they also have a Wheel bag for those smaller wheels. You can also put the trailers wheels in the large Chubby compartment of course but then when handled at airport or whatever I can easily see that they will be damaged if not rapped up properly. An extra space especially for the wheels would at least make me more at rest. 2. If you use the trailer to shop grocery with, you will find that the zipper is at the bottom and you will have to unzip it every time to put something in the cart. Very annoying! Why didn't Radical Design not used a full size zipper all the way round? One good thing with all the zippers though is that you could put locks on them! 3. The carrying handle is a little bit on the weaker side. You can put 40 kg of the stuff in the trailer.... if so you would like the strap to have some extra seams to support that kind of weight if you ask me. They also sell an extra shoulder pad for an insanely 25 EUR extra. 4. Like any bag or backpack... why don't make the fabric water proof in the first place? If you want to strap gear on top of the trailer... how are you going to that that if you have the rain cover on? In my case I would like strap an extra bag and foldable solar panels... 5. The Quick-release axle with spacer made of rubber are one of a kind! Buy extras! Radical alos provide axles with a bolt what they call bombproof. At least buy some extra spacers! I 6. How ever a great trailer... Loving it! Stay safe and fair winds to you all! Happy trailing! 🇸🇪 However I like it!!!
@@EverydayCycling Hahaha. Que legal brother. Putz, cheguei a imaginar que vc era brasuca, mas vc fala inglês muito bem, daí fiquei na dúvida. Eu tento usar a minha aqui diariamente, mas moro em Varginha-MG e é só ladeira, daí tem hora que complica. Gosto muito de ver vídeos da turma usando essa bike, incentiva demais. Grande abraço!!
Hello VIctor, thank you for the video. I always wonder about the Dinamo wheel and if it was worth the money. By the way love Brazilian food oh my gosh is so good !!!!
Ok youtube crowd, just to chime in here. I toured down the entire west coast of the united states with that exact solar charger and I would 100% NOT recommend doing that. It was almost entirely useless. I will only be using dynamos from now on. The reason why is twofold: 1. Unlike what this video says, the main DISADVANTAGE of a solar panel is the on vs. off bike charging situation. When you tour, you spend almost 100% of daylight hours on the road riding -- like 5-8 hours a day of sunlight. During this time, when the sun is at its peak, it is slung over the back of your pannier, going in and out of shade (since you very rarely ride in the middle of a freaking field as this guy had it, and in fact most pleasant places to bike tour have a LOT of tree cover). 2. By contrast, a dynamo charges your device while you ride and when you get to a campsite, your stuff is good to go for the evening. While it might be slightly slower, in practice the solar panel we used was (and i repeat) almost ENTIRELY unusable in an actual bike touring setting. Finally, part of the poor results for dynamos in this video might be the way the devices were charged (although this goes for both). You should basically never plug in a phone into either charger. Instead, you should be trickle charging a battery that won't mind the current fluctuations and unsteady charges induced by either method. Then at night you plug your phone into the fully charged battery. Happy riding!
Hi, I finally made the call yesterday and got me my first Brompton. It is a 2016 M2E Titanium version in pretty good/excellent shape. Got it for $1450.00. What do you guys think is it a good deal? Thank you Everyday Cycling, I've been watching your videos for almost a month now and find them really helpful and now that I got me a Brompton bike, I can join the cool kids club.....jk jk.
strange comparison,you dont need to stop to charge with solar panel,just attach to your backpack while riding and you will always have full battery phone+you will charge lithium lights for bicycle before dark.without loosing any power with dynamo hubs
Hm... I would say you need also consider your camping style. In my camping experience solar panels would be useless because when the Sun shines I'm moving-on legs, walking around, or on bike-with my phone in both cases. And if I'm not moving, it's probably because it's night already-solar panel useless too in this case. Sure, if it's a long trip, solar panels may be useful in the morning, but you will need to make sure that you get up with sunrise and place solar panel somewhere in a way it can't be stolen while you finishing your sleep.
They dynamo companies need to come up with a better way to harvest the power during the day so you can use it later....the same thing with the portable solar panels companies, the electronics inside really limit your ability to actually use full power the panel can deliver!!!! So Sad... When you mount that three panel solar panel on your bike, try to divide the panels in different directions... Middle facing up and the others to the left and right of your bike...The panels are in parallel and you are constantly changing your position to the sun... One panel will be getting good sun....if you have a 21 watt unit each panel is making 7 watts...
Let me add one more thing, you will never actually get 21watts out of the solar panel just because like I said before, the USB electronics limit your ability to get it!!! 👎
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I'd go with both. The hub is there anyway and allows me to charge my device while riding and navigating. The solar panel is good for breaks.
I've got a Son 28 hub on a 26" wheel mtb. Yesterday I rode 100km at 20.5kmph average speed. I charged a fully empty Anker 10,000mah power bank. After the 100km ride I powered my phone which has a 5000mah battery. I was able to get the phone to charge from 30%-60%, so roughly 1500 milliamps. I'm using a Sinewave usb charger. To be honest I'm far from impressed. I also have two RAV solar panels which I've used while hiking and I think they're brilliant. In fact in good sunlight I can charge an ipad mini with the 24W version in the same time as i would using mains power with the Apple charger (i.e. not a super fast charger).
Personally I wish i'd not bothered buying the Son hub. In all I spent nearly £400 for the rim, wheel build cost, Son hub + Sinewave.
Dynamo hubs are for lights....
Nice comparison very helpful, I am inclined to want to use both, that way you can use both solutions for 2 different applications, and whilst touring you can charge whilst riding, and even when you stop so you don't lose time.
Thank you for your meticulously detailed comparison between these two means of power generation.
Your detailed comparison greatly informs fellow cyclists and is also great viewing too.
I had originally intended to fit the beautiful Son XS Dynamo and Edelux 2 Headlight and Son 50mm Rear light to provide lighting and to power an Igaro D2 USB Charger.
I then began reading about dynamo drag!
There were other factors which slowly became apparent, such as quite how much riding did I intend to be doing at night and the distance and frequency of it, and the light output of the Son XS Dynamo & Edelux lights compared to the high quality, lightweight, inexpensive and high output LED lights which are widely available.
There was also the question of whether the Son XS Dynamo could produce sufficient power to fully operate the lights as well as the Igaro USB Charger.
Finaly the issues of the additional weight of the Son XS Dynamo & Edelux lights and the cost outlay.
I had budgeted around £450 > £500 for the complete Son & Edelux set up, plus £175 for the Igaro Charger.
Determining that I was unlikely to want to travel at night and that the aforementioned high output LED lights would suffice, and that my proposed dynamo set up wouldn't really do much for the Igaro's ability to do it's job, and the factors of dynamo drag, weight and cost, I decided against fitting my originally chosen dynamo and lighting system!
It was always my intention to supplement the dynamo with a 4 panel compact solar panel capable of being used whilst riding and in camp, and your findings have validated that decision.
I'd intended to have a self contained power pack to charge my devices and for the power pack itself to be recharged by the solar panel and Igaro unit to protect the devices being charged.
It also occurred to me that the money saved by not buying the dynamo and lights would be sufficient to fund a trip!
As I will be using a titanium tent stove I also toyed with the idea of buying a Peltier type device to be able to generate electricity from the heat of my tent stove!
Apologies for the length of my post, I tried to keep it concise.
My thoughts are if you can keep the phone screen on for navigation while charging via the dynamo hub, and it doesn't lose charge while you're riding, that's already a big win for me.
Thanks for another grrreat and truly helpful video. Happily, now feeling more confidence in trying out my solar plan. Cheers
Great and informative video!! Thank you!! I agree with Edward that you could probably attach the solar panel to the luggage rack and charge your phone that way. When I tour, I generally have a large surface on top of my panniers to which I could easily attach a solar charger.
Yeah, I actually wished I had the solar panel with me today to do a "ridden test" with the solar panel attached to the bike while I ride and see how that goes. I will have the solar panel with me in the US as soon as borders open up and I can visit home for a few weeks!
The varying power from solar panels can confuse a phone, so you might use the panel to charge a battery pack and the pack to charge you phone. Also, that means you don't need to leave your phone unattended out in the hot sun.
Great, "IRL" comparison test, thanks! My additional thoughts were 1. How much extra weight does the solar panel set up add, and 2. How much extra drag does a dynamo hub produce? On point 2, since nothing's for free, extra work is required to charge stuff up and, presumably you can't "turn the hub off" (resistance is there whether you use it or not). When you spun your wheel, it didn't seem to rotate all that freely. I guess there's a third point too, which would be the relative cost of each option.
Please keep the videos coming, I thoroughly enjoy them.
Are you familiar with the channel “Cycleabout”. Alee does a really good dive into dynamo hubs and he addresses your question of resistance really well.
@@FirstnameLastname-bp5cm I was not familiar with this channel, so thanks for the steer.
A bit to late, but my "28w" solar panel weighs 700g (4 pages of panels)
Great video, thank you. Concur 100% Had many bike tours in the south of France, made several chargers for the Hub, ( one of which caught fire at 35mph!) in the end made a charger with a built in battery pack which capped the voltage, and had a usb board with a digital readout of voltage and current. this worked OK, but I had to ride about 40 miles to do what my Anker 15W solar panel would do in an hour of French summer sunshine. Also had the advantage that I could ride in the daytime with my lights on for safety purposes. Incidentally, never trusted the chargers direct to the phone, always went via a power bank, not as efficient, but with an expensive phone, prudent.
I tend to use my SON 28 dynamo paired with a sinewave revolution USB converter when bikepacking. As I’m using the viewranger mapping on my iPhone during my ride. The
dynamo keeps the iPhone trickle charging the whole time, so helps to keep phone battery topped up.
Less use of my battery power bank later on when camping.
I've got a Son 28 on a 26" wheel mtb also with a sinewave revolution. Yesterday I rode 100km at 20.5km p/hour average speed. I charged an Anker power bank from empty. After 100km I charged my phone. My phone has a 5000mah battery. It charged from 30% to 60%. This means I got about 1500milli amps for my 100km. It's not particularly impressive. I'd love to know if you like your set up. Does my test sound comparable to your experiences.
@@And-rc9yy Probaby the same. I don’t charge my powerbanks with the Dynamo. I just try to keep my iPhone topped up all day using Dynamo, so after cycling I can use my powebanks as and when needed. Using phone as navigation so uses a bit of power.
@@bikepackingadventure7913 Thanks for the reply, I'm half tempted to buy a Cinq 5 pure. This particular usb charger is supposed to give up to 700ma max output, it's also quite a neat device as it's essentially a Ahead top cap. I might just be throwing money down the drain. Incidentally, when I charge my phone (instead of the power bank) I can only just keep it at the same power level. This is even with Wifi and cellular turned off. I'm not a slow cyclist either it's just hard to average much over 20km an hour with weighted panniers. It was probably an expensive mistake buying into the dynamo system in the first place.
Yes.. Thank you for your experiment. I had a solar panel all this long and I keep thinking to get the dynamo, that I think will charge more. So, I'll stick to my solar panels. Thank you.
Yeah, I still won't give up on the dynamo for powering my lights, but for charging devices, definitely go for the solar panel.
Hi Voctor, thank you for this comparison test. Such I found nowhere else yet. Very useful!
Best regards from Berlin
Sven
I have that Rav Solar Panel Charger too, very good, shows that it doesn't need to be 100% sunshine for it to produce a good amount of output power.
I am about to fit a Dynamo on my Brompton Barbour. Also, the solar panel is very impressive.
Great experiment. Anyway I wanted to get a solar charger for my phone. Especially, for those multi-day touring rides. Thanks for sharing.
A solar charger is a useful thing to have, in any event. That it can be used while cycling.. and while on a cycling trip but not actually cycling, is a double bonus.
I agree, its not only about the watts, but also about how & when it works. I like a solar charger juicing a power storage device on board in the charger pocket, where it can capture juice throughout day light hours, without ever adding drag to my ride. That arrangement can recharge devices like phone & radio & lights & even NiMh AA && AAA cells.
I absolutely agree with you!
Interesting little test, thank you!
Not too surprised by the result to be honest and I have to say if I was going for a portable solar panel set up the RAV panels would be my personal choice... 👍🏻✅
Great information. The Brompton Electric provides lighting power and a USB port. It would be great to get some comparison info on charging and consumption during longer day rides or extended travel. Thanks, Dale
Sadly, Brompton Electric is illegal in HK. We cannot legally use them here.
Nice comparison! I might choose the portable solar panel over a powerbank since it's sunny most of the time here in South East Asia.
Combination would be good. overall definitely go with solar , just to keep my Anker 20,000 topped up,then charge all devices off that. Great video 👍
Thanks for sharing your experience.
wow .. awesome video, thank you.
Depois desse video comprei um painel solar de 35 w e achei sensa. Já vou usar na próxima cicloviagem mês que vem.
My personal killer argument for the dynamo-hub. It's there and I don't have to care for it. It simply works. I also do my dayly commuter rides and I imply have to reley on a working light during the winter. IT! HAS! TO! WORK! PERIOD!
Yes, charging the phone is problematic. I'm still wrapping my head around it. In the meantime, I use a powerbank.
Such a beautiful country you live , the scene are so amazing and wonderful as if nature is true love , I wish I have born in such country 😄😄
Hello Victor,
I live in Scotland which is not renowned for its sunshine but my experience with solar panels is that even in overcast conditions my panels generate
Obviously you need both devices ... A Dynamo Hub is an indispensable device on EVERY bike. It is the only way to guarantee reliable lighting on a bike. - And, yes, you can charge your mobile phone with it, but yeah, 3 W at 6 V is not that much and you need the Busch & Müller E-Werk to convert the power and the conversion costs efficiency.
The solar panels have all the conversion integrated and are quite efficient nowadays. If you are able to use them during the ride, they are nearly perfect for supplying your mobile device.
A perfect Dynamo Hub (SON) cost 260 EUR (wheel included).
A solar panel costs between 40 EUR (the RAV power) and 200 EUR.
I found this useful. Thank you.
You need to take cost per watt hour in consideration and weight. It is clear the Solar is a better choice as a bike trekker, you need to consider the places you go.
For city the Hub is good but if you need to carry the bike then weight of the bike matters.
Just found your channel and watched all your videos. Great content and extra kudos as you can speak Portuguese ;)
I also ride a Brompton on my daily errands here in Lisbon.
Very curious on your video setup. What cameras, microphones and how do you mount them. Maybe you could make a video about that.
Where can I see your videos in Portuguese?
Hey Miguel, I'll make a video about that soon! I rode along the coast of Portugal back in 2017, from Lisbon to Porto. Portugal é lindo! Meus vídeos em português estão no canal Victor Sabioni.
@@EverydayCycling é lindo mas falta fazer muito para dar condições a quem se desloca de bicicleta.
Vou espreitar o teu canal.
Abraço!
I wonder if you can place solar panel on Brompton rack and charge things on the go. That's gonna be interesting
There are dynamo hubs with buffer battery that avoids straining and interrupting the phone's charger circuitry.
Where you find the gold bell bro?
Hi Victor, great video as usual, how much effort compare not using the dynamo hub, since electricity generated from dynamo required extra mechanical power from your pedal
I'm deciding whether or not I want the Dynamo Hub and I understand there is drag. Most people don't mention anything about the Dynamo Hub other than they got it but anybody doing reviews say there is minor drag. Do you notice it?
If u travel…
👍 cafes and co maybe let u load ur powerbanks for a wile/ for the break if u buy stuff … so if u make a break, try ur luck. The wall outlet always be the best.
Train station, airports and co sometimes got outlets for the cleaning personal in the open. 😉 try sitting next to it and borrow some power while making a break or repairing ur bike.
Greta comparison. I would easily use a dynamo as it lights up the road.
I´m thinking of a Brompton, I guess this is a Brompton specific dynamo hub as the wheels are small?
Does it work well when riding?
TIA 👍🏻
That makes me think dyno-charging is only interesting if we ride on tours, and not for shorter distances.
But dyno-lights are awesome, because I never have to worry about powering the lights.
I guess you could attach the solar panel to your luggage rack or just on your bike where the sun could reach it
Absolutely. I wish I had the solar panel with me today to do a "ridden" test, attaching it to the bags and seeing how well they perform. I'll do that in the future!
I'm thinking about how to attached it to the S-bag or on the rack... if not on my Brompton Radical Chubby trailer ;) Looking forward to see your solution! Thanks for sharing your ideas. Great channel... and great work!
@@snabelone I just found out about the chubby trailer from a guy who does videos out of Colorado. How are you liking it?
@@NoZenith I copy/paste this from my reply on the manufactorers TH-cam page...
How ever there are some issues to adress as well.
1.The wheels don't really fit in the top zipper. You have to deflate them to make them fit! However Radical Design in Holland can make you an extra Wheel bag for you that can be strapped on top of the cart to solve that problem. The trailer is also made for another small folding bike that have smaller tires... so thats why. And they also have a Wheel bag for those smaller wheels. You can also put the trailers wheels in the large Chubby compartment of course but then when handled at airport or whatever I can easily see that they will be damaged if not rapped up properly. An extra space especially for the wheels would at least make me more at rest.
2. If you use the trailer to shop grocery with, you will find that the zipper is at the bottom and you will have to unzip it every time to put something in the cart. Very annoying! Why didn't Radical Design not used a full size zipper all the way round? One good thing with all the zippers though is that you could put locks on them!
3. The carrying handle is a little bit on the weaker side. You can put 40 kg of the stuff in the trailer.... if so you would like the strap to have some extra seams to support that kind of weight if you ask me. They also sell an extra shoulder pad for an insanely 25 EUR extra.
4. Like any bag or backpack... why don't make the fabric water proof in the first place? If you want to strap gear on top of the trailer... how are you going to that that if you have the rain cover on? In my case I would like strap an extra bag and foldable solar panels...
5. The Quick-release axle with spacer made of rubber are one of a kind! Buy extras! Radical alos provide axles with a bolt what they call bombproof. At least buy some extra spacers! I
6. How ever a great trailer... Loving it!
Stay safe and fair winds to you all!
Happy trailing! 🇸🇪
However I like it!!!
@@snabelone thank you!
Excellent
Hi, what kind of a smartphone holder do you have for your brompton?
any updates?
Dynamo hub of B&M is 6w isn’t it?
Hey! Thanks for the video. Do you know how any good mount to hold an iPhone on a "M" handlebar?
I don't, I'm sorry. I know Quad Lock makes good mounts, but I don't know how they fit on the Brompton.
Are you on vacation in Brazil? I'm Brazilian and I have a Brompton bike too. Very cool your channel.
Fala Luiz, eu sou brasileiro, mas moro nos EUA agora pra estudar. Esse vídeo gravei no Brasil há mais ou menos um ano e meio!
@@EverydayCycling Hahaha. Que legal brother. Putz, cheguei a imaginar que vc era brasuca, mas vc fala inglês muito bem, daí fiquei na dúvida. Eu tento usar a minha aqui diariamente, mas moro em Varginha-MG e é só ladeira, daí tem hora que complica. Gosto muito de ver vídeos da turma usando essa bike, incentiva demais. Grande abraço!!
Fascinating! What latitude (or city) were you charging the solar panel in or on? I live in the UK 53 degrees north! The
Hey Peter, I was at around 20 degrees South during the Spring! City of Belo Horizonte, Brazil.
I noticed that you have a “raw lacquer” version of the bike. Could you please tell how old is your bike and whether you have a rust/corrosion problem?
I've had it for two years, and haven't noticed any rust spots at all... I don't know if they'll come though haha
Hello VIctor, thank you for the video. I always wonder about the Dinamo wheel and if it was worth the money. By the way love Brazilian food oh my gosh is so good !!!!
Have you been to Marietta? They have a restaurant there called Rio Steakhouse. The best!
Everyday Cycling Yes, is so good. I also go to the bakery in front of micro center. Yummmmm!
easy answer , have both if situation allows
I'd hack the solar panel and install it on the helmet or the cargo rack and keep going...
Win win, right?
Why not use both.
👍👏
Ok youtube crowd, just to chime in here. I toured down the entire west coast of the united states with that exact solar charger and I would 100% NOT recommend doing that. It was almost entirely useless. I will only be using dynamos from now on. The reason why is twofold:
1. Unlike what this video says, the main DISADVANTAGE of a solar panel is the on vs. off bike charging situation. When you tour, you spend almost 100% of daylight hours on the road riding -- like 5-8 hours a day of sunlight. During this time, when the sun is at its peak, it is slung over the back of your pannier, going in and out of shade (since you very rarely ride in the middle of a freaking field as this guy had it, and in fact most pleasant places to bike tour have a LOT of tree cover).
2. By contrast, a dynamo charges your device while you ride and when you get to a campsite, your stuff is good to go for the evening. While it might be slightly slower, in practice the solar panel we used was (and i repeat) almost ENTIRELY unusable in an actual bike touring setting.
Finally, part of the poor results for dynamos in this video might be the way the devices were charged (although this goes for both). You should basically never plug in a phone into either charger. Instead, you should be trickle charging a battery that won't mind the current fluctuations and unsteady charges induced by either method. Then at night you plug your phone into the fully charged battery.
Happy riding!
yeah the cost does make sense if you need power now. strap it on your back and power bank it and you're probably better off.
Hi, I finally made the call yesterday and got me my first Brompton. It is a 2016 M2E Titanium version in pretty good/excellent shape. Got it for $1450.00. What do you guys think is it a good deal?
Thank you Everyday Cycling, I've been watching your videos for almost a month now and find them really helpful and now that I got me a Brompton bike, I can join the cool kids club.....jk jk.
strange comparison,you dont need to stop to charge with solar panel,just attach to your backpack while riding and you will always have full battery phone+you will charge lithium lights for bicycle before dark.without loosing any power with dynamo hubs
Hm... I would say you need also consider your camping style.
In my camping experience solar panels would be useless because when the Sun shines I'm moving-on legs, walking around, or on bike-with my phone in both cases. And if I'm not moving, it's probably because it's night already-solar panel useless too in this case. Sure, if it's a long trip, solar panels may be useful in the morning, but you will need to make sure that you get up with sunrise and place solar panel somewhere in a way it can't be stolen while you finishing your sleep.
You can lay the solar panels across the rear panniers and charge while moving.
1% in 1 km?
Pretty obviously you have both. You then have lights, and charging.. ....
Phone is 16% charged at 16:16 😆
This is the first time I know your channel. Can i make friend with you
Both method 😅😊
They dynamo companies need to come up with a better way to harvest the power during the day so you can use it later....the same thing with the portable solar panels companies, the electronics inside really limit your ability to actually use full power the panel can deliver!!!! So Sad...
When you mount that three panel solar panel on your bike, try to divide the panels in different directions... Middle facing up and the others to the left and right of your bike...The panels are in parallel and you are constantly changing your position to the sun... One panel will be getting good sun....if you have a 21 watt unit each panel is making 7 watts...
Let me add one more thing, you will never actually get 21watts out of the solar panel just because like I said before, the USB electronics limit your ability to get it!!! 👎
I'd go with both. The hub is there anyway and allows me to charge my device while riding and navigating. The solar panel is good for breaks.
That's a good approach!
No point having a solar setup where I am, in the North of England.
Solar.
Thumbs down for the music.
Great video, thank!