Was zoning out while I work with Mindscape on autoplay as background noise and I nearly jumped out of my chair the first time I heard it’s piercing sound
“Flowing through all, there is balance There is no peace without a passion to create There is no passion without peace to guide Knowledge fades without the strength to act Power blinds without the serenity to see There is freedom in life There is purpose in death The Force is all things and I am the Force” The Gray Jedi Code
Another OUTSTANDING guest and podcast. I am highly motivated about reading her book, Private Government: How Employers Rule Our Lives (and why we don't talk about it).
@@EagleAssassinchannel Progressive voices get bot'ed in my experience. Either directly by bot, or via alert systems which notify people when the wrong ideas get discussed. I'd like to add this is not entirely a conspiracy theory. Influence operations are a huge industry, as can be seen in the Netflix movie "The Great Hack."
@@I-0-0-I There have been plenty of progressives on this podcast and this never happened. Maybe, just maybe - it's people disagreeing instead of a conspiracy. But I'd also like to know why exactly they disagree.
@@thulyblu5486 I agree, that's very possible and why I called my own comment a partial conspiracy theory :) I think those downvotes were there prior to this even having been public long enough to list to, right? "But I'd also like to know why exactly they disagree." You and me both. I believe that a downvote should require further explanation. At least via multiple choice if not a text string. I've brought this up on Reddit and HN, but I just got downvoted :) IMHO, downvotes and upvotes are different beasts. Two things I can accept is that designing a social network and community management are hard problems which I don't fully understand.
@@I-0-0-I I don't think it's that progressive voices get bot'ed but I do think that anything attached to "women's studies" or "equality" usually gets immediately met with a certain angry internet contingent. It's more likely that enough people got a subscriber notification and downvoted upon glossing over the description. It's a little pathetic that people feel the need to do that, even if they disagree. I would like to think that most regular listeners of this podcast are at least at open-minded, but there are always some disgruntled citizens.
It's pretty rude to make fun of someone's voice. There are more important things to complain about guys, that is really shallow. She can't help her voice, her views are what she has chosen
@@twonumber22 I also just thought she had a normal voice, everyone is so used to listening to people with top notch audio recording equipment and radio voices that a normal voice on a computer Mic sounds horrible by comparison
@@twonumber22 yes, I apologize, English is not my mother tongue, so I probably make a lot of errors I'm not even aware of. So yes, the one I meant is a Marxist economist, Richard D. Wolff
jeff bozo undercut a lot of business locally based who could not compete with the cost of sustaining a local based supply system, all those people were paying taxes contributing to all that goes with this money, good on him but he and those like him have contributed to the trillions of $ of debt and are leaving the bill to those who are now financially ruined, go get a good you say what jobs I say
then some of these people turn to crime(? define crime) and then another industrial complexes step in to "help" the system the state backed "correctional services", who using slave labour to do work that undermines other industry at the same level further increasing the divide, but but I to could be a jeff bozo 2, you reckon he now own whole law firms to make sure you don't, thanks bill for you phalramptry, capitalism is a fairly ok system to incorporate with modern democracy, but not when it is a fascist/communist dictatorship run system that untold millions lost their lives fighting against
@@kreek22 how do you have fair outcomes if they're not equal? If everyone has the same opportunity, that is equality. If some people get boosted or held back to achieve "fairness" in outcomes, that's equity.
Indeed the devil is in the details. UBI will only works if it's a sum low enough to be enough only for food and minimum hygiene requirements but it also has to be global no matter what. And it also needs a previous requirement of all the monetary systems to be replaced by one single monetary system. This is just a small portion of the new socio-economic system that I am working on. I hope I can complete it before I myself starve to death.
Dear Mr Carroll, I have seen several of your videos over the last few years, being drawn to them because of my interest in physics, and I have enjoyed them all. I finally subscribed to this podcast after you mentioned it in one of those videos, about a week ago. I truly appreciate the honesty that shines through in the things you say. I am a little surprised to see this (my first) podcast of yours to be dealing with politics. Lately, I make a concerted effort to avoid political podcasts. But enticed by your honesty (vs your scientific knowledge), I am giving it a shot. I have listened to about 5 minutes of the podcast at the time of this writing. My initial impression is that this poor lady has not been blessed with a voice that is meant for podcasts... it is a little difficult to listen to. But here I go... I am hoping to not have my Sean Carroll bubble burst. I wish us both luck. Having listened in it's entirety, I think this lady is well educated. But I do not think her thinking is extraordinary. She seems to just stir the pot. Her knowledge of history is cherry picked, but I do see an effort to consider different perspectives. I was disappointed that there is no mention at all of the dishonesty in our society and our politics which to me seems to be the anchor that is dragging us all under. You two have addressed, left ideology and right ideology, while the ology that paints the true picture remains undetected. All in all, a decent not superb conversation. I will click the like button to acknowledge your honest effort to inform. By the way... there is only one truth. Survival of the fittest. It's the pudding that proves the philosophy.
A country for inhumanity, a discourse of contradiction, sad jokes, some substance but was it worthy? Personally, I see it well under Podcast Average...
I’m a leftist and i disagree. Not only that i accept billionaires but i wouldn’t want a society without them. The problem comes when the system enables them to lobby, evade paying taxes, reap unjustified state subsidization, get away with dirty marketing manipulation, PR strategies that hide away wrong doings, making money while destroying the ecosystem, making money while destroying people’s lives, dissimulate their stakes in such a way that nobody knows what they control, etc. This extreme is what’s wrong: rares-mircea-82.medium.com/even-if-you-were-to-spend-a-million-dollars-a-day-you-would-still-have-to-wait-2-736-years-to-go-c70888766d
@@justanothernick3984 question that it’d be “more stable”! Real populations vary. Taking equality as a moral imperative necessarily leads to to a totalitarian approach to “fixing” this. This has generally had unfavorable outcomes when it’s been tried. The alternative is free choice, and the consequences that come with that. In fact I’d argue that’s the only justifiable moral position. I can’t prove an ought from an is, so on what basis do I have a right to tell others how to live their lives?
@@davidturner9827 In essence you are right but that also means you have no empathy for others and should therefor also not be granted empathy. If I am okay with you starving in the streets, I should be expected to also be starving in the streets. There needs to be a balance between a wellfare state and free choice. No person is free from hypocrisy and can't consistently stick to his principles which means he can fail and could need a helping hand.
@@justanothernick3984 I agree that pragmatism is required, which really brings me back to my original point: equality cannot be a moral imperative! It’s interesting that you believe my position implies a lack of empathy. Why do you think that’s the case? I don’t think that individually wanting (and choosing) to help people is the same thing as ordering society around the principle of thou-shalt-equalize.
@@davidturner9827 Because will, words and actions are vastly different. And we have opted for this since we have chosen to pay taxes and see that the ones falling behind gets a basic minimum in order for them to survive and not revolt. We need authority and a democratically elected is probably the best option for that. Nobody wants to be bossed around yet we need it in order for society to function.
Interesting. I am writing a book with a new and improved socio-econimic system focused on justice that works for the entire planet and many of the points in the book are what you presented here. I suppose I am on the right path then. Look forward to it when it's done. I bet you will like it and hopefully you will even invite me one day to talk about it if you get to read or hear about it from other people.
@@bismillah5060 Thank you for asking but no it's not done yet. I will try to finish it in the next 2-3 months. about 2 weeks ago I quit my full time day job for this purpose. It was far too draining to be at work 50 hours per week and have the time to do anything while at home.
Leave it to an academic to answer "How do we fix this" with a plug for her book and the age old answer of we have to study/examine it more. I'm sure racial inequality will get solved when the so called experts only answer ever is "It needs more study" People are waiting on you geniuses to tell us how to fix a problem that has plagued man since before societies ever existed.
Inequality starts from the fact of genetic diversity, including differences that make a difference. A certain interpretation of "eugenics" could fix that, probably quite soon.
Was zoning out while I work with Mindscape on autoplay as background noise and I nearly jumped out of my chair the first time I heard it’s piercing sound
“Flowing through all, there is balance
There is no peace without a passion to create
There is no passion without peace to guide
Knowledge fades without the strength to act
Power blinds without the serenity to see
There is freedom in life
There is purpose in death
The Force is all things and I am the Force”
The Gray Jedi Code
The guest's voice was a little distracting at first, but once you start listening to what she's saying does it ever get interesting. Great guest
Imagine if these types of conversations were our MSM 🤯
It would be awful. We need to increase inequality. Some people are smarter than others.
Same ideology
Thanks for this interesting episode!
I very much enjoyed this podcast
Thank you. Interesting take.
Another OUTSTANDING guest and podcast. I am highly motivated about reading her book, Private Government: How Employers Rule Our Lives (and why we don't talk about it).
Lol 8 dislike 2 min after publication. Welcome to the internet Professor.
Why
@@EagleAssassinchannel Progressive voices get bot'ed in my experience. Either directly by bot, or via alert systems which notify people when the wrong ideas get discussed.
I'd like to add this is not entirely a conspiracy theory. Influence operations are a huge industry, as can be seen in the Netflix movie "The Great Hack."
@@I-0-0-I There have been plenty of progressives on this podcast and this never happened. Maybe, just maybe - it's people disagreeing instead of a conspiracy.
But I'd also like to know why exactly they disagree.
@@thulyblu5486 I agree, that's very possible and why I called my own comment a partial conspiracy theory :)
I think those downvotes were there prior to this even having been public long enough to list to, right?
"But I'd also like to know why exactly they disagree." You and me both. I believe that a downvote should require further explanation. At least via multiple choice if not a text string. I've brought this up on Reddit and HN, but I just got downvoted :) IMHO, downvotes and upvotes are different beasts.
Two things I can accept is that designing a social network and community management are hard problems which I don't fully understand.
@@I-0-0-I I don't think it's that progressive voices get bot'ed but I do think that anything attached to "women's studies" or "equality" usually gets immediately met with a certain angry internet contingent. It's more likely that enough people got a subscriber notification and downvoted upon glossing over the description. It's a little pathetic that people feel the need to do that, even if they disagree. I would like to think that most regular listeners of this podcast are at least at open-minded, but there are always some disgruntled citizens.
Awesome!!!!!
I love this episode! I love this channel!
It's pretty rude to make fun of someone's voice. There are more important things to complain about guys, that is really shallow. She can't help her voice, her views are what she has chosen
Sounds fine to me. People are probably scapegoating.
@@twonumber22 I also just thought she had a normal voice, everyone is so used to listening to people with top notch audio recording equipment and radio voices that a normal voice on a computer Mic sounds horrible by comparison
Her voice is appropriate--high IQ verbalists pushing communism deserve to have a voice like hers.
@@kreek22 Did you even listen?
@@twonumber22 I read the transcript
I suggest you professor Richard Wolf, for a different perspective
Isn't it Wolff instead of Wolf? or am I lost
@@twonumber22 yes, I apologize, English is not my mother tongue, so I probably make a lot of errors I'm not even aware of. So yes, the one I meant is a Marxist economist, Richard D. Wolff
@@IvanaPetrovic No apologies necessary.
Totally agree. Professor Wolff would be so interesting to hi-light points of agreement/disagreement concerning ideas of equality.
jeff bozo undercut a lot of business locally based who could not compete with the cost of sustaining a local based supply system, all those people were paying taxes contributing to all that goes with this money, good on him but he and those like him have contributed to the trillions of $ of debt and are leaving the bill to those who are now financially ruined, go get a good you say what jobs I say
then some of these people turn to crime(? define crime) and then another industrial complexes step in to "help" the system the state backed "correctional services", who using slave labour to do work that undermines other industry at the same level further increasing the divide, but but I to could be a jeff bozo 2, you reckon he now own whole law firms to make sure you don't, thanks bill for you phalramptry, capitalism is a fairly ok system to incorporate with modern democracy, but not when it is a fascist/communist dictatorship run system that untold millions lost their lives fighting against
Good stuff. Enlightening.
A quick 🙋♂️ question... If we are constantly branching off into the multiverse, how come every one of them has Covid 19? Is it some type of branding?
Democratic Capitalism ^.^
*EQUITY. Not equality. Equity is the word you're looking for. Equal outcomes is equity, not equality
Equity means fairness. Equality of outcomes is nihilism operationalized-- it is not fairness.
@@kreek22 how do you have fair outcomes if they're not equal? If everyone has the same opportunity, that is equality. If some people get boosted or held back to achieve "fairness" in outcomes, that's equity.
Anyone who is in favor of equity should read Kurt Vonnegut's 'Harrison Bergeron'.
@@williamstrong3146 People are born unequal, then they behave unequally. Imposing equal outcomes produces inequity, unfairness.
@@kreek22 we'll see my friend. It's a slippery slope and it's a long way down.
Indeed the devil is in the details. UBI will only works if it's a sum low enough to be enough only for food and minimum hygiene requirements but it also has to be global no matter what. And it also needs a previous requirement of all the monetary systems to be replaced by one single monetary system. This is just a small portion of the new socio-economic system that I am working on. I hope I can complete it before I myself starve to death.
I wish Dr. Anderson was one of my lecturers, what a mind!
more people should be listing and following you
Well, I know that I can at least find some sorta attempt at sanity here. Getting harder and harder to find.
Dear Mr Carroll,
I have seen several of your videos over the last few years, being drawn to them because of my interest in physics, and I have enjoyed them all. I finally subscribed to this podcast after you mentioned it in one of those videos, about a week ago. I truly appreciate the honesty that shines through in the things you say. I am a little surprised to see this (my first) podcast of yours to be dealing with politics. Lately, I make a concerted effort to avoid political podcasts. But enticed by your honesty (vs your scientific knowledge), I am giving it a shot. I have listened to about 5 minutes of the podcast at the time of this writing. My initial impression is that this poor lady has not been blessed with a voice that is meant for podcasts... it is a little difficult to listen to. But here I go... I am hoping to not have my Sean Carroll bubble burst. I wish us both luck.
Having listened in it's entirety, I think this lady is well educated. But I do not think her thinking is extraordinary. She seems to just stir the pot. Her knowledge of history is cherry picked, but I do see an effort to consider different perspectives. I was disappointed that there is no mention at all of the dishonesty in our society and our politics which to me seems to be the anchor that is dragging us all under. You two have addressed, left ideology and right ideology, while the ology that paints the true picture remains undetected.
All in all, a decent not superb conversation. I will click the like button to acknowledge your honest effort to inform. By the way... there is only one truth. Survival of the fittest. It's the pudding that proves the philosophy.
Ok
A country for inhumanity, a discourse of contradiction, sad jokes, some substance but was it worthy? Personally, I see it well under Podcast Average...
If you have stuff, give it away; if you don't, hold your hands up.
Every person in the United States should have exactly the same wealth. -- TranscendentPhoenix 2021 ~ changing the political landscape
I’m a leftist and i disagree. Not only that i accept billionaires but i wouldn’t want a society without them. The problem comes when the system enables them to lobby, evade paying taxes, reap unjustified state subsidization, get away with dirty marketing manipulation, PR strategies that hide away wrong doings, making money while destroying the ecosystem, making money while destroying people’s lives, dissimulate their stakes in such a way that nobody knows what they control, etc.
This extreme is what’s wrong: rares-mircea-82.medium.com/even-if-you-were-to-spend-a-million-dollars-a-day-you-would-still-have-to-wait-2-736-years-to-go-c70888766d
Why does everybody assume equality is a good thing?
(Edit: yes I have read Anderson’s advisor’s work; that is actually the point of my question)
What is your counter? If we should not strive for a more stable (egalitarian) society, what is your alternative?
@@justanothernick3984 question that it’d be “more stable”! Real populations vary. Taking equality as a moral imperative necessarily leads to to a totalitarian approach to “fixing” this. This has generally had unfavorable outcomes when it’s been tried. The alternative is free choice, and the consequences that come with that. In fact I’d argue that’s the only justifiable moral position. I can’t prove an ought from an is, so on what basis do I have a right to tell others how to live their lives?
@@davidturner9827
In essence you are right but that also means you have no empathy for others and should therefor also not be granted empathy.
If I am okay with you starving in the streets, I should be expected to also be starving in the streets.
There needs to be a balance between a wellfare state and free choice. No person is free from hypocrisy and can't consistently stick to his principles which means he can fail and could need a helping hand.
@@justanothernick3984 I agree that pragmatism is required, which really brings me back to my original point: equality cannot be a moral imperative! It’s interesting that you believe my position implies a lack of empathy. Why do you think that’s the case? I don’t think that individually wanting (and choosing) to help people is the same thing as ordering society around the principle of thou-shalt-equalize.
@@davidturner9827
Because will, words and actions are vastly different. And we have opted for this since we have chosen to pay taxes and see that the ones falling behind gets a basic minimum in order for them to survive and not revolt.
We need authority and a democratically elected is probably the best option for that. Nobody wants to be bossed around yet we need it in order for society to function.
Interesting. I am writing a book with a new and improved socio-econimic system focused on justice that works for the entire planet and many of the points in the book are what you presented here. I suppose I am on the right path then. Look forward to it when it's done. I bet you will like it and hopefully you will even invite me one day to talk about it if you get to read or hear about it from other people.
Is the book finished yet? Can I get a look at the manuscript?
@@bismillah5060 Thank you for asking but no it's not done yet. I will try to finish it in the next 2-3 months. about 2 weeks ago I quit my full time day job for this purpose. It was far too draining to be at work 50 hours per week and have the time to do anything while at home.
she's very hard to listen to. I'll skip this one.
She has the female version of David Albert's voice.
@@ccarson except much more shrill
her voice is a little painful
Really, Plato anyone? The Republic? Sad.
Suggestion, you should talk with Zizek about Ideology. This convo is dripping.
Always a treat.
Unless the selfishness of human beings disappears, neither societies nor states change.
We have the problem...
Leave it to an academic to answer "How do we fix this" with a plug for her book and the age old answer of we have to study/examine it more. I'm sure racial inequality will get solved when the so called experts only answer ever is "It needs more study" People are waiting on you geniuses to tell us how to fix a problem that has plagued man since before societies ever existed.
You can't perfect humanity.
Inequality starts from the fact of genetic diversity, including differences that make a difference. A certain interpretation of "eugenics" could fix that, probably quite soon.
Karen voice?
Karen philosophy.
Dumb comment
Nah, she could work on it. I teach yoga and we talk about how to use the voice. Come on ...