How Good Is ABA, Really?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มิ.ย. 2024
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ABA is the latest DLC character in Guilty Gear Strive. Since she's been out for a while, let's take a look at how good she REALLY is in Guilty Gear Strive.
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how are you feeling about ABA? good? bad?
(also pls subscribe)
Its not fun to block for 20 minutes straight sometimes but its nice slamming a poor soul with crazy offense
I think she's amazing. But she's not a sexy grandpa
Too good. She's destroying my main bike lol. If you ever fight someone using an auto combo script - you really die every mistake you make.
Hate her so much
She’s good, definitely suffers a little bit against chars with big disjoints (May is an annoying matchup)
everyone acting like he's dying because of slightly red eyes, bro is a professional fighting game player, obv its weed
Or his Nago blood gauge popped
Lmaoo I don’t blame him. I smoke and eat eddies every time I get
On the game 😂😂😂😂
he's clearly turning into eddie
I cant play ggst to high. It really does slow my reaction time. I can only notice a difference while gaming, no other time 🤷🏽♂️
@@juliustaylor9920dude same ! the only game i can't like smoke a bunch before 😂 i beat all of elden ring high as balls, this game i take a rip when i get home and then LOCK IN
For a character that feels like she could be either oppressively good or horrid bad, they really nailed the balance here. QoL stuff here and there but they did a great job.
Love these detailed breakdowns, helps me understand the character overall and just, how to think about the matchup. LK with the sauce.
What Makes Characters Good in Guilty Gear Strive, A.B.A. Edition
Offense
0:50 Does the character have any plus moves?
1:36 Does the chararacter have a unique overhead (instant overhead, offensive fuzzy guard, safe 5D)?
3:15 How quickly does the character gain meter (On offense)?
4:37 What does the character get off their throw situation?
5:17 How good is the character against YRC?
5:49 How good is the character against Burst?
7:07 Does the character have to hit the opponent to win, or can they win from making the opponent block?
9:19 How good is the character against Deflect Shield?
9:45 How good is the character's Wall Break situation?
Skipped: "On average, how much damage does the character do?"
Defense
10:57 How fast is the character's fastest button?
11:23 Does the character have a meterless reversal?
11:38 How fast is the character's reversal super?
12:10 Does the character have a horizontal or vertical super?
12:31 How good is the character's backdash?
14:05 How fast does the character's 6P upper body invuln activate?
14:33 How fast does the character gain meter (On defense)?
Neutral
15:58 Can the character attack from safe ranges?
17:47 How fast is the character's airdash?
18:10 Does the character have a slow j.H?19:12 Can the character 50/50 the opponent from neutral?
19:54 Can the character get in on the opponent immediately after Gold Burst?
20:14 Does the character have a burst RC option (aka a neutral skip)?
20:55 How fast is the character's 6P?
21:15 Does the character have ways to make the opponent play differently from the way they normally do?
22:10 Can the character convert all their hits into combos without using meter?
23:33 Can the character dashblock?
Knockdown
24:40 Can the character win from throw?
25:15 How much resource does the character build from throw
25:38 Can the character protect themselves from reversals while continuing their offense?
26:19 Can their good knockdown be looped?
Never trust Guilty Gear players to check if a character is top or bottom tier.
These are the guys that said Nagoriyuki was bottom tier on release.
Fgc tourist outing themselve
U shouldnt trust opinion, only fact. I've been humbled by every character in the cast even though every character isnt good. Only trust frame data and your judgment. Everything else is on u 🤷🏽♂️
Same with Happy Chaos
He was bad on release. His 6P didn't anti air very well, he had no reliable blood drain besides landing the grab since SSS didn't drain, uppercut was too committal since the follow up was automatic, his clone went nowhere.
He was absolutely demolished by Axl and Chipp j2k.
Nago was truly mediocre character on release. Any other talk is historical revisionism that doesn't remember the first balance patch.
@@HellecticMojowrong.
I know you’ve had a busy week with Japan and uploads but remember to relax and take a break and a goodnight sleep LK! Much love
I don't care if she's top/bottom tier. A.B.A is what GGST needed. When I played her, it made me remember how fun this game was. She wasn't the character i asked for, but she was someone we all needed.
we need slayer not laba
@@zachstarattack7320Both are fun
@@zachstarattack7320 we're getting both so it doesn't matter
shes so unfun tho wdym
@@PlumEXE Just cause you find her unfun doesn’t mean other people don’t. Respect other people’s opinions brother
Hey man. Your eyes were looking a little red at the start of the video. I'm sure you don't need me to say this but just in case make sure you're taking care of yourself. Getting a good nights rest has some pretty insane health benefits, more insane than A.B.A's endless overhead brc f.shiki mixups in jealous rage
He does sound a little congested this video, maybe a cold
Allergies most likely. This year is brutal.
Probably allergies, mine have been pretty bad the past few days
was kinda sick when I recorded this but we're good now, thanks
Hey man saw you at low tide love the vids man I got into ggst really recently and your vids are very helpful for me
I gotta say I love these videos
the breakdown and analysis are really helpful
as always thanks Dadknight lol
Does anyone know the bg song at 1:00? I've heard it during Gear tournament stream intermissions. Also great vid, LK always has my favorite character analysis
It's "Load Exist II" from the Under night in-birth 2 OST.
@@dogsand6345 Thank you! Not knowing the name has been bothering me for months
It may be parasocial but it's still kinda sweet to see all the folks here invested in LK's well being
The thing about the vine super is it's weak to jump and Up RC. This is due to the limited vertical hibox, slow startup, and all the blockstun comes from the from the third hit which only works grounded
Combine that with FD, it can't really neutral skip fullscreen, only half screen realistically. Even then, you could deflect shield the third hit in the air to invalidate it. And it can be jumped preemptively to be punished hard. One of the reasons Chipp is a bad matchup for her
I remember when the burst meter shield was added people thought it was bad, but since u included it as a point of consoderation does that mean it is considered better now generally?
Its hard to tell. Aba's base level stuff is pretty strong but the ceiling for advanced offense seem pretty high (I think I may have found some interesting tech in terms of setplay maybe). She can be taken much further as meter routes and oki is optimized but on the other hand people aren't fully used to fighting her (I don't see many people using combos that specifically aim to waste her morha time and use the uninstall for more mix options). I don't play at a high enough level to say how good I think she is but one could say she definitely has all the tools she needs to win and if she cracked the upper tiers as a consistent threat I wouldn't be surprised. I'm like 90% sure she is getting a nerf or two down the line, unfortunately.
I personally suffer a lot when playing against her using Anji Mito, and I also manage to get victories that I didn't think I would have against good players who underestimate her.
Anybody know what the song in the background at 1:50 is?
"Load Exist II" from under night ost
@@dogsand6345 Thank you!
As a player who loves defense and spacing, she's perfect for me. If you can master her regular form, you'll become a monster. Intertwine and tilt to move forward in base form, frenzy and astonishment to gain meter from projectiles and moves with slow start-up that are easy to read. Her 5K is one of the best pokes in the game. A quick straight forward jab kick is everything. A crouching anti air is wild. She has so many unique options.
woah thats me in the video...
*insert loving comment for LK with request for him to take care of himself 👑*
Good vid 🙃
is she better than baiken? Im trying to like playing baiken but it not fun.
I am glad they didnt balance her stances out to be more even, my favorite part is she is really weak normally which jutifies her being crazy in stance which makes it more fun an rewarding when you put time in to her but still allows counter play to balance it if your opponent is able to prevent you from going into stance or is able to waste your stance timer
17:21 on the first hit of rekka in moroha, she is minus two
Really nice tutorial! Lord knight, did you notice that the charge mechanics works different for street fighter 6 compared to sv 5? For example, when you're charging left or down, in prior street fighter games you could keep holding the charge and then tap right or up to do the special move WITHOUT letting go of the charge left/down [down back]. This seems to have been removed in sf 6??
everyone telling LK to start taking care of himself nah bro smoke harder and then run casual GG games (against me)
Hey LK, do you do one on one coaching for beginners?
He’s too busy trying to get Millia back to EVO someday
@@atomicwheeze8756 lol. Yea i feel like millia is viable now. Im sure he plays with her, probably making sure he's good enough before he plays with her.
at the moment yes on metafy, but they are changing how they do stuff so I'm considering maybe doing it somewhere else since they (metafy) are adding a subscription model on the coach side to use it
Cant watch the vid because im at work, but she's to OP in her crazy install...with no patches coming on top of that 💀💀💀.
Slayer maybe an answer to ABA tho...🤷🏽♂️🤞🏽
u wont like what he has to say then
my goat
i don't think a big enough deal was made about her inability to passively get rage. i understand that just letting her build a max rage gauge for nothing would make her fucking stupid, but the problem is that if she ever runs out of gauge vs a character that can escape her in normal mode(which is not a crazy feat), the round's just kinda over. shake hands, it's done. i would legitimately give up either super for a super that just fills her gauge and does nothing else, no invuln, not even goku mode
She gains meter fast enough for that to be a problem
Very true but that’s less of an ABA issue and more of a player skill issue. If you are seriously playing ABA with competitive notions in mind, your first priority should always be to preserve and gain JR meter whenever possible.
The only form in which I believe she should have buffed JR meter gain is a faster parry, maybe even trade some health in exchange for the standard armor and a faster recovery on a successful parry
@@20thcentury_toy that's fair. but the point is, once she doesn't have the threat of rage, she's got nothing to do. maybe she could recover gauge until she has just enough to transform by blocking? all of this is meaningless theorycrafting, the point is she really desperately wants a way to build gauge without having to rely on her slow ass key normals or comboing into rekka vs characters that have decent options at range
@@bestbeekeeper8931 she needs to have downtimes, otherwise is just pressure if she gets going
her dmg is OKAY? Nah she dmg is straight busted
0:24 She seems more of a top to be honest.
ABA has really good tools in normal mode and absolutely broken ones in normal mode. Her having a 4 framer 2P helps with abare and combos directly into command grab, a 236K with 12 recovery frames on whiff (this is actually insane) that moves her hitbox super high up, and big disjoints to counterpoke makes her someone that you shouldn't underestimate even in her weaker mode. It sometimes forces you to lame her out or take the game slower while trying not to use as much stagger pressure compared to other characters, because if they get out once, they can combo into command grab and get into Jealous Rage.
Jealous rage is obviously supposed to be really good and normal mode should be pretty bad, but her normal mode being better than Zato and in some areas Bedman feels kind of... bad. In jealous rage, being able to do a bunch of overheads that can crossup normally and having fuzzy mix where the overhead has an 18f startup and you don't even see any good visual indicators for half the startup frames is REALLY unfun to play against (did I mention she can cancel any hit of the two-hit 2H which hits low into it?). Her normals are good, she has good specials, and she turns into the best character in the game in normal mode.
I understand how she was in XX, but it doesn't translate well into this game and she feels very poorly designed. Hope she gets her 4 framer taken away, her parry gets better usage, and her 236Kin both base and jealous rage are nerfed heavily.
She makes me have to guess and it’s not fair -Leo Player 2024
@@gooselover42069she makes you unable to make a mistake. Most characters have a bit of leeway to mess up but against ABA if you mess up once the rounds pretty much over with how much damage and the mixups she can do
@@angel__king Can't wait until you find out about orange and white wild assault
@@gooselover42069 it’s not like I’m saying Leo isn’t broken, he definitely is. I’d want them to nerf DPRC and other bullshit he can do, but ABA is just genuinely painful to fight and I don’t think I’m alone on that notion
Even though the plan SHOULD be “overwhelm aba while she’s in normal mode”, she actually has GOOD defensive tools in normal mode so it generally feels like the most unfun thing to fight ever.
I’m not trying to defend Leo, but I will say he is very well designed, and I think that’s the case with most of the base cast. IMO, A.B.A. is badly designed and unfun to fight, and by extension, the rest of season 3 and some of 2 are also unfun to fight.
What I love about her is the inconsistencies. Her entire character is fucked up and that's so Guilty Gear.
I do think she could have a little quality of life changes here or there. Not big buffs because you risk her just being dumb, but not having an inherent way to raise jealous rage makes playing her painful sometimes.
I wish her parry was actually better. Parrying something only to get grabbed and being punished for guessing right feels bad.
I honestly don't mind that much. Sure they can react to the parry and get a knockdown, but I hate how often I think I should get parry off just to get it's startup clipped. I just want the meter man.
@@JesterBoyo I’m curious, would you trade health (no more super armor just regular armor) for a Frame 3 or faster Frenzy and Astonishment?
Tbf if you know parry is super exploitable then it probably wasn't actually "the right choice"
@@Creative_Jokethat's literally why they're saying it should be changed though
Just use frenzy and astonishment to gain meter from projectiles and slow start-up attacks.
The problem I have with ABA is because you don’t have room for error. If you get hit once she will hit you with bonding and dissolving. Then she has tons of pressure and mixups and her bounce move basically keeps you unable to block. It’s just not fun to fight against a character where you cannot make a mistake if you’re not an amazing player
She can't make a mistake either though.
@@trekaelmajors986 yes but shes got .95 defence and a guts rating of 2 so she's got more room to make errors compared to most of the roster. yeah she's slow however her attacks have good range and she only needs to land one for you to be dead like I said
@@angel__kingI feel like people who think her normal mode Is bad havent really seen her frame data or her hitboxes(mainly 5H)
aba is severly overtuned and needs to be adjusted. source ive lost to her before
bruh take some rest, your eye is mad red ^^'
How good is Faust, analyze that char
Nerf Zato
The only big issue I think she has is if you really screw up managing her resources. If she has no resources and is down on life, it encourages the opponent to just stop playing the game like nothing else. Not so much a balance issue, more a "yeah just set down the controller" game design issue. Being encouraged to not interact that strongly is not a good thing.
Really the only big change I'd like to see is a way to gain JR, and it can absolutely be crap, just so the opponent in incentivised to play the game.
Maybe "if her JR is too low to transform, then holding 63214P will charge the meter. When it hits the threshold she automatically transforms." Pretty garbage, but it gives the opponent a reason to interact and finish out the round.
Bro video aside your health has been deteriorating its looking like, these fighting games seem to be stressing you just be careful
pay 2 win character