The Downfall of Johnny Boy Soprano - Soprano Theories
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"A guy like that and my mother wore him down to a little nub. He was a squeaky little gerbil when he died." This is Tony Soprano, the same individual and son of the infamous Johnny Boy Soprano, describing his father in the pilot episode of The Sopranos. But what did Tony always mean by this infamous quote? Wasn't Tony always bragging to Doctor Melfi, his friends, and anyone that would listen, about how tough, proud, and a great father figure and role model Johnny Boy Soprano was? Or was this all a mirage that Tony had thought his dad was the entire time? Was Johnny Boy Soprano a great dad after all? Or was he just a selfish mafioso. In conclusion, he is basically responsible for giving us the narcissistic, sociopathic, and heinous murderer that we all love in Tony Soprano!
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He was a saint.
You gave your life to your children on a silver platter
One of many
Saints of Newark
Funny though. You never said that while he was alive.
He saved the dog 👍
Many saints was not canon, pos
Who said that?
@@sophiawilson8696 i did
@@sophiawilson8696 David Chase himself when he said he regrets not having watched his show again before writing this film, confirming that it has nothing to do with the story we all know
Johny Boy was one of the main characters of the series, despite not being alive, he is mentioned in most of the episodes. A painful moment for Tony is when he realizes that Bobby Bacala never had to kill anybody because Bacala Sr. insisted his son to be spared of the ugliest part of the life. While Jonhy never hesitated in putting Tony in harm´s way
It's why tony seems to harbour resentment towards bobby at times
that what we call a legend
Johnny
It’s fitting that both Johnny Boy and Old Man Bacala died of emphysema, even if Bacala’s death was significantly more violent (fitting for a man dubbed “The Terminator”).
@@skraegorn7317not to be pedantic but wasnt it cancer that baccala sr was suffering from?
I didn't like how goofy they made Uncle Junior in the Saints of Newark movie. They literally turned him into a Fredo.
And you mean to tell me that him slapping after Johnny boy threw a punch is not funny as fuck? The guy was a second fiddle his whole life. But the music~
Part of the reason why I didn't see MSON was because I didn't like the actor playing Junior. In the old Sopranos flashbacks the guy they got to play the young Junior is amazing, he looks just like old Junior and seems perfect, it's such a great match. When I saw some random bald guy with glasses in the MSON trailer I was immediately repulsed.
@@NotQuiteFirst Uh...Corey Stoll is a very good actor. Very accomplished.
His name is Junior so they didn't literally turn him into a Fredo.
@@Camcolitohis name is Corrado, named after his dad. Johnny Sack also called him Corrado out of respect.
I think you forgot that Dick Moltisanti was the roll model and man that young Tony looked up to more than Either of the two brothers.
All I know is the flashback scenes on The Sopranos were incredibly well-done. Casting, acting,directing.
You can give almost all of the credit to the actor who played Johnny Boy. That guy was amazing.
When I thought I was out, you pulled me back in.
I remember when you used to sit in the car.
Some ppl are so far behind in the race they actually believe their leading
@@monkeyface6139 As far as I'm concerned, he should still fucking be there!!!
Tony may not have involved his kids directly in his criminal life, but they still ended up there indirectly thanks to him. Meadow ends up with Patrick Parisi and was on her way to becoming a mob lawyer (assuming she didn’t end up becoming a stay-at -home mom after getting knocked up) while AJ ended up working for Carmine Jr.
Carmine Jr. literally chose family over the crown. He can teach AJ a thing or two.
Thts interesting i aint realize tht after 3 rewatches 🤣
@@Игорь-з8м2я , Carmine Jr. had a sense of reality even if he came off like a clown with his constant philosophical banter. He saw the big picture, that there wasn't any future in the 'life' and got out.
@@ndogg20 he didn't have smarts, but he had wisdom
@@ndogg20when you think about it, Carmine Jr was the only one who actually "won" in the end of the series. He still has business and his position as captain in Miami, his family is not involved in the mob, he has legitimate source of income, he like his job and has a loving wife. While others are constantly worrying about getting killed every day and earning money that could not buy them happiness
There's a minor overlooked line of dialogue that I don't see a lot of people bringing, when Fran tells a story to Tony she mentions that she was smoking but Tony realizes that the time that story happened was when his father already was diagnosed of his lung emphysema. He tries to call her out but Frans tells Tony that she asked if she should stop and Johnny boy said no, Tony notes that even Livia stopped her smoking once Johnny Boy got diagnosed. Even when Johnny Boy got closer to his death bed, he wouldn't stop coming to Fran and she probably has more to do with his death than Livia since I doubt she even asked Johnny Boy if she should stop smoking since she's a bullshitter. Tony probably misconstrued the situation as Livia wearing him down. He spent most of his time away from his family having sex with a golddigger, and while Livia was no saint at least she did care about Johnny Boy to stop smoking when he got sick, and Fran didn't.
With all due respect sir or ma'am. He was going to die from the disease anyway. Weather she quit or not.
You’re missing the part where Livia is a horrid person to be around and Johnny is a human being. Who wouldn’t want to escape from his wretched abusive wife, even if it’s just temporarily? I don’t condone cheating but I understand why someone would do that. It’s not like Livia was a terrific wife and he was just sleeping around. She was a cancer to the soul, both emotionally and spiritually considering she didn’t even let him leave the mob life. It’s not valid to blame Johnny when he’s trapped in a relationship with a monster.
You must have overlooked a lot of Sopranos channels...because that gets brought up all the time when it comes to this storyline. I'm honestly surprised you didn't say it was an "underrated" line.
@@coolpeople4287 Being a second hand smoker is worse than smoking yourself. Doesn't matter if he was going to die or not, Fran made things worse. Try having a lung disease and hanging around a smoker if you're so tough.
@@ExternusArmy Oh, poor Johnny Boy Soprano. He was such a loving father who was never around, used his daughter as a front for a racket, and saw the potential of Tony being in the mob because he didn't flinch when he saw him cutting up Mr. Satriale's finger. At least Junior stuck around with Tony, played catch and even talked to him about sports. Johnny Boy could only spew out fake fatherly spiel (When he was around) and even when Tony got in the mafia, he never knew where he stood with his father. Oh, but I guess assigning him his first murder is proof Johnny Boy really did love his son. For how much of a shit father Tony was, he was way better than Johnny Boy.
I always felt the sexual innuendo between Livia and Johnny boy over the meat was the cringiest most painful moment in the entire series.
But then I remember Fran singing Happy Birthday Mr. President to Tony and I can actually feel cancer tumors growing in my brain.
Again with the scenarios?!
Same, sad scenario.
Lol
Funny how Skyler sings that song in Breaking Bad and it’s equally insufferable
@@JohnDoe-od7ye "Always..."
I love those flash backs. They should have done a spin off series
Nah, not everything needs to be its own series. The Sopranos is already a complete experience.
Me too, and people criticize the fake looking fighting in the flashbacks, but I believe they purposely did that for a cheesy 1950s appearance.
@@HOTD108_ I wish Star Wars had taken that advice
Johnny Boy’s downfall? The albacore around his neck of course.
Very allegorical.
It was all that charcoal.
Big business man
We don't talk about 'The Many Saint of Newark'. That movie is noncanical to The Sopranos.
HORRIBLE movie.
The creator even says he should've rewatched his own show, basically admitting he fucked up the movie and it's story, so yeah it's not
It had some good scenes
I really enjoyed it. 🤷🏽♀️
@@MaryLou913ok?
I think Johnny boy was retconned in Many Saints of Newark. Tony's mother wears everyone down.
Oh, poor you....
I think Johnny Boy in MSON is more closer than to the truth than Tony's flashback regarding his dad in the show. Sure, Livia was a piece of work, but she and Johnny Boy deserved each other. She married him for money, and he married her for her looks. Johnny Boy turned Tony into an asshole as much as Livia did.
@@korawitbuttramee618 No he isn't, he acted like Livia, it made no sense
That thing in the car where he shoots Livia's hair? That's gold, Jerry, gold!
Main thing I learned about Jonny Boy is that Livia isn’t to blame for how she is in the show. Look what she was married to. They made him out to be a saint after he died, but he was anything but.
Shocking
Johnny Boy was no saint, but women like Livia and men like Johnny often find themselves with each other. It's better they are with someone else screwed up than getting with someone who is "normal" and messing them up.
Not necessarily true. It’s stated by experts that Livia would be diagnosed with narcissism and anti-personality disorders. Conditions that a person usually is born with or develops at a very young age. Chances are she was already like that and for someone like Johnny, that’s a perfect fit. Not an excuse for how Johnny treated her, but she most likely was already like that by the time she met him and it just got worse.
In the Many Saints Of Newark she was portrayed as being a good mom and pretty good character too.
I also noticed this in the episode with Fran, which shows that Livia resented Tony because he enabled his father’s treachery and cowardice. A normal person would’ve blamed Johnny, but Livia wouldn’t let go of her resentment of Tony because she has personality disorders. But maybe her tendencies weren’t as bad until Johnny made her hateful with his dysfunction
Many Saints of Newark was just disappointment all-round. They should have done a couple of pre-equal seasons instead.
I’d be game.
He got emphysema from all that charcoal broiled meet they used to eat… no one told them till the 80s
And dont forget the 'special" brother who looked like George Raft. Forgot his name
Hercules, or Ercoli, I think.
I don’t think Johnny Boy thought about leaving the mafia. He just wanted to move to Las Vegas, but he would have stayed in the mafia.
Great video. Two more things: First, Johnny Boy and Livia kept the existence of Ercole hidden from Tony, even to Junior's surprise, which shows the lack of acceptance for disability and mental illness that Tony must overcome. Second, in The Many Saints of Newark, we see Johnny Boy treat Uncle Junior with obvious disdain, contributing to Junior's prickly defensiveness, which led him to murder Dickie and later try to kill Tony. Arguably, with a different Johnny, season 1 of The Sopranos would have been very different.
With different Livia😂
That movie is non-canon
I love how little Tony looks just like little AJ :D
The real downfall of Johnny Soprano was casting Jon Bernthal as that character after the example set by Joseph Siravo.
I like in the episode In Camelot where Tony is visible annoyed that Fran is putting down his mother. No matter what transpired between the two it’s his mother. He can talk bad about her but outsiders can’t. I understand that as I may sometimes talk bad about my family when they stress me out but I would never allow an outsider to do it. Families have peaks and valleys in their relationships but are essentially loyal to one another.
Yeah when she was talking about how Livia dressed. You could tell he did not like that!
"Id rather smother them with a pillow, than take them to NEVAAADA"
The downfall was all because he had an albacore around his neck. Those are heavy fish and would make anyone fall down
The Johnny Boy actor Joseph Siravo in The Sopranos flashbacks was brilliant
The actor in Many Saints the horrible prequel didn’t do the role any justice 🇮🇹
Consistency with using the same actors would have made the movie seamless with the show.
Agreed. The actor and portrayal in the series was far better than the crappy movie.
@@aaronblaylock2092movie should’ve be made immediately after the shown ended, since they were too old when the movie came out
The actor picked for Johnny Boy wasn't bad. The problem is the awful script.
See, I liked both. I really did.
Fuccin’ ALBACORE around my neck!
Hear me out: In the Many Saints of Newark we see the tale of that policeman who supposedly killed Christopher's dad may have been fictionalized by Tony later. So, if there is a Many Saints II, might we find out that the story of Tony holding up that poker game may actually have hurt Johnny Boy's career as he then begs to keep Tony from being hit and THAT ended the father's career?
That would be interesting, though Johnny remained a Capo until his death, at which point the reigns passed to Tony. While it is possible Tony’s move hurt Johnnboy politically, it seemingly didn’t ruin his career entirely.
Interesting
Wait? Gagootz was running the porn end of things for the crew & Princess & her hubby will eventually be handling things for them law firm wise with Neil Mink not getting any younger. It’s all about the Family.
Yup. Meadow's on her way to becoming a mob lawyer and AJ's probably running something connected to the mob.
Did sopranos fans really care more about learning about Dickie than Johnny Boy???
I was hoping to find out more about Cosette’s lineage.
@@JohnDoe-od7ye she comes from a long line of pocket rats.
Wait, wasn't it Johnny boy? Who put his own son and Paulie to do a hit on the bookie "Willie overall?" that owed him money in '82? It's mentioned in season six. So Johnny boy did get his children involved In some instances. Janice herself tells this to Richie about Johnny giving 50 grand to other made guys close to his crew who came out of prison to wind up Richie. Very strong capable leader, but with very little morals and respect. I don't even see tony doing some of the things his father did like cut off fingers in front of his son or other traumatic stuff also. I would like to know more about the specifics of what Johnny boy and Jackie did to rank so high on the crew and spoken about highly for many many year's.
Yeah he sounded like a sadist.
As far as im concerned the many saints of newark doesnt exist dont bother mentioning it
Your book don’t mean oogatz to me!
I couldn't agree more.
The first thing I thought when clicking on this video is that Johnny boy had hoes and Tony inherited that trait from his father glad u addressed it 😎
Personally I think Johnny boy was a saint
I realllllly wanted to see the old boys run things for a episode or 2 in a flashback. Wanted to see Johnnys ties an big dog moments. Same wit junior by his side
Tony didn’t have the makings of a varsity athlete
I think he and Livia have a craaazy history and alot of secrets that we dont see or know about. Its really a shame they did that many saints. I know it was a purposeful flop to hurt us but in a perfect world they would have actually tried.
1. Why is it odd (your word) that Tony grew up to be like his father? In my life experience, the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree. 2. That said, Tony had a wee bit more character than his father (he was a pretty good parent), which is how it usually goes, meaning the next generation. 3. Duh! Tony had a good relationship with his uncle because Johnny Boy was dead! We have no way of knowing how Tony and Johnny would have been had Johnny lived. Come on! 4. It is understandable how everyone idolized Johnny Boy after he died. That is also how the world works. Sorry, but your synopsis of Johnny Boy is lame.
I had a flashback seeing the plastic coverering on the furniture.
What Tony meant by that nub comment was Livia’s constant b*txhing, complaining and nagging. It wore down Johnny just like Tony.
Johnny Boy was like a guy with a Virginia ham under his arm crying because he had no bread.
I didnt care for the false racism that the movie added to the history of the scene. Many Saints was not realistic in many aspects. One of them is the brutal racism they portray virtually all Italians to have towards blacks and hispanics. Perhaps the creator experienced a different reality than many did, but racism wasnt running rampant in the Italian communities any more than it ran through every other segregated community of the time. That was the way people chose to live. Italians lived in Italian communities by choice, Polish did the same with their fellow Polish, the same with Russians, and minorities. Blacks chose to live with blacks. Many African immigrants chose to live around other African immigrants rather than african american communities. Hispanics were divided too. Mexicans with Mexicans, Puerto Ricans to their own, Salvadoran Guatemalan and Honduran in their own areas separate from other hispanics. This was the way all people throughout history chose to live. Its ingrained in our nature to seek out others that are as much like us as we can find and stick together. Hell, its still alive and kicking in Africa. Look at the different tribes who choose to live in their tribes instead of mingling with other tribes and creating a community of diversity. Just because Italians stuck together doesnt make them racist. It made them human beings who acted like human beings. As far as the unprovoked violence towards blacks on a grand scale at the hands of Italians, this was not the case for a substantial majority of Italians. I am not Italian, but i feel like someone should be sticking up for Italians in this department because many people who saw the film believe that it was an accurate portrayal of history when it was absolute fiction. Chase knew it would be taken as cannon when he added it to beef up the drama of the movie. I feel like it was done in bad taste. Those who lived that lifestyle were guilty of many things, Chase did not need to fabricate more immorality to burden them further. It didnt need to be done. If shock and awe was what he was looking for, then he should have done it tactfully with something a bit more true to life. God knows the criminal element of all nationalities has more than enough juicy vice that can be portrayed in film without having to fabricate untruths. Sorry for the novella, i just dont like dishonesty in film when a film maker is representing an entire group of people and it paints them in an unfair way to such an extreme. Especially when the film maker knows that people will think it was all true. He knows that he portrayed that life with such accuracy in the show that anything he put in the film would be accepted as truth by the viewers. Most people disliked the film because they didnt care for the storyline and felt it was boring and predictable, as opposed to my gripe with it.
I wish they would have got the same actors to play Johnny and Junior in Many Saints as they did in the series. I thought they were both perfect.
The original Johnny actor was dead or dying then I think
@@johnobrien3179 Jesus Christ... You're kidding?
some kind of cancer. He's dead now.
I always wished we could've seen more of him in flashbacks as the actor was so good!
He was never at home. Just like Tony.
I do not think Tony automatically looked up to Uncle Junior or Dick Moltisanti more than his father, but remember there were long stretches where Johnny was away in prison, so during those times, it's understandable that Tony would get influenced by those guys in Johnny's absence. (As for teenage Tony, it's common for young guys to stop getting along with their own fathers during those years.)
Johnny in MSON seems more distant to Tony, because it's also not like the stuff in the series which is just Tony's *memory* of events, and memories can be tainted.
I still think HBO should do a 6 episode story with Jon Bernthal as Johnny Boy Soprano
Movie isn't canon
The big question is whether or not Johnny Boy had the makings of a varsity athlete.
“Hey that’s Jonny boy soprano” random guy yelling that during the circus bust
Johnny Boy never had the makings of a varsity athlete
What would’ve happened had he lived? That’s the REAL question. Imagine how he would’ve dealt with Janice dating Richie Aprile. Would Johnny have treated A.J. better than he treated his own son like Livia? How about Meadow, what would Johnny have thought of her, his granddaughter? It’d have been interesting.
Look, i get that the points we visit Tony as a kid are all at different points, but every actor who portrays him as a kid looks different and it bugs me 🤣
Didn't you hear that he was a saint? He ascended, obviously.
Those stupid cops...went to the wrong place! Arrested the wrong guy!
One thing; it’s the opposite of ironic that a sun becomes like their father no?
Give us a Many Saints of Newark with the original Johnny Boy Soprano from The Sopranos in 2011 that Movie wudda been 🔥🔥🔥🔥🐐🐐🐐🐐
The novie was garbage!
Just an educated guess mind you, but idk if i'd call it a downfall cuz he was very well respected & Tony probably wouldn't have been much if not for him.
Johnny Boy was a saint!
Oh, poor you!
The only flaw I can find with the series is that they never fleshed out the character. But what do I know…
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume in my early 30s had more emotional development than Tony had at say 40 something during the series. As an adult my memories are all I have of my father in his early 30s and on. A dysfunctional family with criminal ties I also have. As I grew and developed, I seen my father differently, no worse or better, just different. There were many coping mechanisms in lies that developed from childhood, every so often in my own journey of growth I came upon little realizations. I see this a lot in Tony. His sessions with Melfi and the little growth opportunities in between sessions that would inevitably arise.
Hey pal I do a Soprano show. Love you to come on. Brooklyn Guy Vinny B
Tony never had the makings of an varsity athlete whereas his father was a saint 😢
I thought the episode where Tony found out about his father’s panic attacks was “Big Girls Don’t Cry” from S2, not “A Hit is a Hit”?
I feel like Hesh tells Tony about it in A Hit is a Hit
@@daisywillcox8720 Definitely Hesh tells him about it after Tony comes clean about him going to a psychiatrist but it’s in S2
i always forget thats how his dad died
Lung Cancer.
Joesph Siravos First Role Was As Tony T's Son in Carlitos Way (1993) a Short Part But He Was Brilliant He Was Magnetic in that Role and stood his ground with Pacino on screen i thought he would have been a bigger star but he still achieved great things R.I.P.
Like father like son
Can u do a video on ercoli dimeo?
They’d have told similar stories about Tony after he died, if he hadn’t either personally murdered or gotten killed everyone around him who could have said so.
The beautiful thing with how Tony quotes the story of the scorpion and the frog to Davy, is that he doesn’t seem to realize the scorpion also ends up dead.
Yeah well there's faces in the Woodgrain on Dr. Melfi's wall in Season 6 Ep 19 at -6:29 left in the show. 😂 Bet ya didn't know that was there huh
Just to the left of Tony's head.
@@nighthawkviper6791 , the time you listed is for AJ seeing a shrink. Sure you got the time and episode right or was I just rolled n trolled?
I thought the many saints of Newark was brilliant Johnny Boy was revealed as a jerk and Dickie was Tony idol and father figure
I watched this video out of respect for Johnny Boy's Grandfather who drove the Donkey Cart off the road in Avellino.
They had to be close..he trusted Tony enough to give him the Willie Overall thing...and he was what 24?
22
Wait, this abomination called "the many saints of newark" is canon?
unbelievable
R.I.P. Joe Siravo (Johnny Boy) and James Gandolfini
Cant believe they used Bernthal in TMSON. He was terrible
He never did nothin' to nobody....
not GOOMAR, ITS PRONOUNCED GOOMAAAAAA
Wasn't there a baby in that scene when there in the kitchen and Tony collapse??? I thought I saw a baby also
Not true ! Tony knew his kid AJ would never cut it in the family
All right, skip the preambles.
Less of a theory, and more stating the obvious.
Saints could have been so so much better, damn disappointment
That terrible movie should not be mentioned along side the sopranos
damn shane in here too
Old school work ethic lol
He was a saint!!!😢
Johnny Boy paid for his sins by being married to Livia.
He never had the makings of a varsity role model.
Sopranos TH-camrs yap worse than 6 barbers!
Some Saint...pff my ass
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Olivia was an albacore around his ñeck
Fuckin’ slander!
His wife have her life to his kids on a silvuh playtaaaa
As ever, absolutely theory-free.
Fuckin Apple core around my neck!
Poor guy had an albacore around his neck