this is great, especially his attention to isolating the examples as he discusses the production. good decision to let JR carry the discussion and leave the interviewer questions to a minimum
+GooofyTv Check out Patrick Stump making a song on garage band, he explains a lot about how FOB write their music (very technical, especially now with technology vs their earlier albums with only guitar and drums).
This guy is a genius. I thought I knew my way around Daws. I was wrong. Now I realise how important a producer is where as before I had no real idea what the did
Cool session, i would love to see a video on producing Pheonix. Btw I wonder why isn't he using a big LED screen, this one is clearly not comfortable for him to look at while working. This is strange to me.
9:24 *I don't want to say I did something* But you did Why do I feel like the reason the song lacks the guitars up front is when he was trying for that non-rock part? Whenever fob plays the song live, the guitars sounds more like a metal riff. It has a rougher tone. There are also drum fills. None of it is heard in the studio version of the song.
So basically this song exist because some guy wanted to put a Suzanne Vega hook in a song. I always try to be open minded about all types of music as much as I can and I try not to be pretentious when judging pop songs, but this is pushing my "what the hell happen to real music?" button so hard...
Wow. So far from 'Tell That Mick...'. It kinda saddens me to see music being 'produced' this way. Very formulaic, more of a committee vote focussed on radio airplay and return on investment than an auteur writing with their heart about something that moves them. Don't get me wrong, I love a good production and the new FOB stuff is pretty good too, but it's so far removed from how I and everybody I know makes and records music. All that stuff about 'Well I sent this hook to my manager and she liked it and sent it to some EDM guy and he put some fake guitars on it because I don't play and then we got a sample from this 80s pop song and looped that and then it was a hit....' just makes me cringe. I guess that's what it takes to get into the pop charts nowadays... Great segment, SOS!
Jon Turner music has always borrowed from prior compositions and as we evolve as producers we notice patterns in the consumption of music i hope you have a more open mind in the future "good artists borrow great artists steal" picasso
I have nothing against their use of samples - my point is that those using the samples aren't really 'artists', they're engineers/management/'producers' (whatever that means nowadays!), so Picasso's oft-quoted 'great artists steal' idea is moot here. I'm not bashing producers either, I'm lamenting the whole 'design by committee' structure that's slowly seeping from the pop/dance world into the world of more traditional (read: REAL) music, one that's not about singles sales and return on revenues and chart positions but more about expression of an idea in a musical capacity.
Jon Turner The dismissive undertone in your argument implies that you sir are smarter than i am in that case you would have understood i meant producers who borrowed compositions from past generations did so because the sample were popular on a certain platform or were a perfect fit for the medium they would be broadcast on in this case radio thats part of the producers job while still keeping the integrity of the artist's vision after all if left to the artist alone music wouldn't appeal to as much of an audience i do agree with you however that too much of it kills creativity my point is it has always been there.
Jon Turner Jon, I agree with your comment about how the "design by committee" process of creating music may seem unnatural and may bring into question the band's motives. But what I see is someone who had a great, but incomplete idea for a song, so he brought in others to help create the best song possible. There is no denying that this is one hell of a production, and it would not have been possible without this approach. If you can get a team of artists to work together and make a B song into an A+, I say go for it.
ctrim28 I agree with you in part, but it still feels like a bit of a 'cheat' way of making a hit. If all somebody cares about as a musician is having 'hits' then I'd tell them fair enough, go for it. Like I said, I have zero problem with people using samples/re-working other people's song ideas into new compositions, but then it becomes a 'pay to win' situation where only the artists with money to burn on production fees get heard. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean that you SHOULD. But like you say, it's one hell of a production, and the team should be really proud of themselves.
This makes me so sad. Basically, what you're telling me is; Someone threw this crap together, sent it to someone, who sent it to someone, who added something else, sent it to another guy to finish it, and got Patrick Stump to sing on it... What the hell happened, Fall Out Boy?!
Yeah, which is great I guess... But they didn't write anything. They just recorded what someone else wrote for them. FOB wrote fantastic music full of emotion and movement, now they're playing generic radio-friendly music that they're not even writing... If this is what they want for themselves, more power to them, but it's sad to me. An amazing band, one of my favorite bands, went from making actual music to recording real instruments over an electronic track that they didn't write.
***** Dude said that FOB wrote the verses. It is disappointing though that they didn't write the hook cause usually FOB writes most of their own songs.
thats music you dumbass it's a lot more goes behind in a studio and you have people like that don't know anything about production always talking about something you don't know about writers are writers producers are producers that's how music is made fallout boy wrote majority of the song and they added sounds so stfu and listen to the song some people don't belong in the studio and that's you you'll never understand this music game
Karniboy I can 100% promise you that some of your favorite records that you think are "raw" actually have auto tune. Don't let it cloud your judgement of the singer's voice itself.
Stiff Richard This song wasn't written by Fall Out Boy. This song was manufactured in a studio by the producers. A true artist wouldn't write a song like this, this was manufactured like a product by a corporation. There was hardly any true musicianship here. Sure there were instruments played but a lot of it was computer generated. They didn't sit together and write and play a song. This was put together on a computer by producers and editors.
I agree. I think this video is very interesting as I love hearing deconstructed productions and mixes. He's obviously very talented at producing shiny pop-candy songs, but whhhyyy do some artists go that route. Why can't Fallout Boy just be musicians in a room and play everything themselves. Blah.
+Drew Lassen exactly. this is what I would call micro-produced. it's a completely manufactured song. musicians didn't sit and write this. it disgusts me that people use their skills to make such shit.
J.R. Rotem is awesome ! Always dropping some good knowledge !
This is great! Very informative and interesting to understand other peoples processes.
WOW, interesting THANKS! Btw Ed Sheeran is great interviewer...
😂
+Mitchel LOL! I was thinking the same thing!
+Mitchel Wow I died reading that last part of your comment lmao.
HAH! perfect
this is great, especially his attention to isolating the examples as he discusses the production. good decision to let JR carry the discussion and leave the interviewer questions to a minimum
YES! Thank you so much Sound On Sound! Love these videos :-)
great segment SOS!
Guess you don't need a big monitor to make hits.
This video was incredibly informative and it's always interesting to see how songs of any sort come together
Awesome awesome deconstruction of the track! Really interesting stuff
These are great, please do more!
This is awesome! Thanks for doing this SOS!
Nice to see J.R be on the scene again.
Love it... Would like to see more videos like this :)
this guy is always forthcoming in every interview. nice.
When he explained the EQ of the low end I was visualizing it it my head!!!
I wish they could show us how they did all the songs on the album
+GooofyTv Check out Patrick Stump making a song on garage band, he explains a lot about how FOB write their music (very technical, especially now with technology vs their earlier albums with only guitar and drums).
Same chord progression as Sean Kingston - Take You There done by JR Rotem too
2023 watching this diamond!!!!
Very cool, jr is awesome the advice at the end is great
Great great great, we want more
3:28 Lmao "sent that raw material"
the way he says hook lol but this man is a freaking genius
Brilliance! Thanks so much for sharing! :)
that was awesome. i knew a lot of that stuff was done, but now i feel like i have a much better understanding
my favorit producer,jr is fantastic,great talent!
THANK YOU FOR THIS MATE!
This guy is a genius. I thought I knew my way around Daws. I was wrong. Now I realise how important a producer is where as before I had no real idea what the did
Awesome
Cool session, i would love to see a video on producing Pheonix.
Btw I wonder why isn't he using a big LED screen, this one is clearly not comfortable for him to look at while working. This is strange to me.
Realy interesting stuff this!!
9:24 *I don't want to say I did something*
But you did
Why do I feel like the reason the song lacks the guitars up front is when he was trying for that non-rock part? Whenever fob plays the song live, the guitars sounds more like a metal riff. It has a rougher tone. There are also drum fills. None of it is heard in the studio version of the song.
Great advice!
that sample reminds me of what Kevin cossom and drake did with their song "i get paper"
thanks for watching your videos
So basically this song exist because some guy wanted to put a Suzanne Vega hook in a song. I always try to be open minded about all types of music as much as I can and I try not to be pretentious when judging pop songs, but this is pushing my "what the hell happen to real music?" button so hard...
Andre Isidro Have you heard of sample ?
@@TheDao330 I guess not lol
wow very cool
Fall Out Boy wrote the verses and the bridge. Pete Wentz said that this song was like a "feat." with a producer rather than an artist.
What's the program he's using for making music?
😜LUCARIUS✌ this is pro tools
That piano riff sounds like a sampled Requiem for a Dream
exactly exactly
jr rotem continue to make more hits. its a shame that jason derulo not with you hes
centuries is the flatline sound for all music in human HISTORY
niki minaj garbage,jason derulo garbage,fallout boy garbage etc.
what software is he using?
+joshua Duncan Pro Tools
Wow. So far from 'Tell That Mick...'. It kinda saddens me to see music being 'produced' this way. Very formulaic, more of a committee vote focussed on radio airplay and return on investment than an auteur writing with their heart about something that moves them. Don't get me wrong, I love a good production and the new FOB stuff is pretty good too, but it's so far removed from how I and everybody I know makes and records music. All that stuff about 'Well I sent this hook to my manager and she liked it and sent it to some EDM guy and he put some fake guitars on it because I don't play and then we got a sample from this 80s pop song and looped that and then it was a hit....' just makes me cringe. I guess that's what it takes to get into the pop charts nowadays...
Great segment, SOS!
Jon Turner music has always borrowed from prior compositions and as we evolve as producers we notice patterns in the consumption of music i hope you have a more open mind in the future "good artists borrow great artists steal" picasso
I have nothing against their use of samples - my point is that those using the samples aren't really 'artists', they're engineers/management/'producers' (whatever that means nowadays!), so Picasso's oft-quoted 'great artists steal' idea is moot here. I'm not bashing producers either, I'm lamenting the whole 'design by committee' structure that's slowly seeping from the pop/dance world into the world of more traditional (read: REAL) music, one that's not about singles sales and return on revenues and chart positions but more about expression of an idea in a musical capacity.
Jon Turner The dismissive undertone in your argument implies that you sir are smarter than i am in that case you would have understood i meant producers who borrowed compositions from past generations did so because the sample were popular on a certain platform or were a perfect fit for the medium they would be broadcast on in this case radio thats part of the producers job while still keeping the integrity of the artist's vision after all if left to the artist alone music wouldn't appeal to as much of an audience i do agree with you however that too much of it kills creativity my point is it has always been there.
Jon Turner Jon, I agree with your comment about how the "design by committee" process of creating music may seem unnatural and may bring into question the band's motives. But what I see is someone who had a great, but incomplete idea for a song, so he brought in others to help create the best song possible. There is no denying that this is one hell of a production, and it would not have been possible without this approach. If you can get a team of artists to work together and make a B song into an A+, I say go for it.
ctrim28 I agree with you in part, but it still feels like a bit of a 'cheat' way of making a hit. If all somebody cares about as a musician is having 'hits' then I'd tell them fair enough, go for it. Like I said, I have zero problem with people using samples/re-working other people's song ideas into new compositions, but then it becomes a 'pay to win' situation where only the artists with money to burn on production fees get heard. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't always mean that you SHOULD. But like you say, it's one hell of a production, and the team should be really proud of themselves.
John Bonham playing at 17:43
Haha.. I thought the same! #RIPBonzo
He looks like a LION ! :O
It's weird that Lux Aeterna would feel so right in the intro. It's that uneasy feel with the edge.
The moment I saw the interviewer I went like " oh damn thats CryWolf*_*"
OMG I LOVE HIM
The only song I've heard that he produced and I like is Birdie by Avril Lavigne
Do you like black people/black music? If not that might be why
Is Centuries written by the producer?
I assumed its by FOB b4 watching this video☹
they wrote most of it. they only used part of his hook
This makes me so sad.
Basically, what you're telling me is;
Someone threw this crap together, sent it to someone, who sent it to someone, who added something else, sent it to another guy to finish it, and got Patrick Stump to sing on it...
What the hell happened, Fall Out Boy?!
*****
The video was interesting enough, and it's still a good song.
It's just so sad to see that this is what they're music has become.
Yeah, which is great I guess...
But they didn't write anything.
They just recorded what someone else wrote for them.
FOB wrote fantastic music full of emotion and movement, now they're playing generic radio-friendly music that they're not even writing...
If this is what they want for themselves, more power to them, but it's sad to me.
An amazing band, one of my favorite bands, went from making actual music to recording real instruments over an electronic track that they didn't write.
Okay.
***** Dude said that FOB wrote the verses. It is disappointing though that they didn't write the hook cause usually FOB writes most of their own songs.
thats music you dumbass it's a lot more goes behind in a studio and you have people like that don't know anything about production always talking about something you don't know about writers are writers producers are producers that's how music is made fallout boy wrote majority of the song and they added sounds so stfu and listen to the song some people don't belong in the studio and that's you you'll never understand this music game
Awesome. Though he either needs some glasses or a bigger display!
Is that Ed Sheeran ???
Lol
'Rock genre' ? Lol. Hardly. Anyways, great video, amazing insight on how the song was produced and mixed. Thank you SOS !
Its like punk, pop, rock
Can u count how many times he said "you know" 😂😂
Lately with Avril Lavigne ...
this is the only song on the album and newer albums that has been created by someone else other than the band ya'll.
song would’ve been better with a “jjjjjr” clip in there
"in the music game it's all about the song" i mean you're not wrong mate? xD
This guy seems like a bad dude
+Morgan Boughey lmaooo idk why i found this so funny.
Bad as in good or really bad? Just wondering.
11:37 Woops hahaha exposed the autotune there
*pitch correction. If you don't see that on any major mix, it's probably not a major mix
Fact! LOL
So now I know this producer never needs to work with Fall Out Boy again.
Why's that?
Hilarious that he would use T Pain as an example, and then accidentally show the auto tune plug in.
Did you call that "Rock"?
Please...
mmmmmmm whatcha saaaaayyyh???!!
Yes...it's a clear extension of some of the notable elements of rock.
"The Ed Sheeran song that's big now"
What one? Lol
Surely one of the most uninspiring recollections of how a safe, watered down load of rubbish came together.
NOTHING IS REAL!! :(
it sounds like he had very little to do with it! GHost prodcer
Hilarious that he exposes the autotune and then never talks about lol
He needs to work with Austin Mahone and revive his dying career
this is the worst song i have ever heard on the radio, i cant imagine any one actually likes the song.
Here comes the 7,000,000 comments.…
Did i serioulsy see autotune...
+Karniboy But you could also definitely hear it before that
autotune is used in EVERY production these days, even with good singers
Karniboy I can 100% promise you that some of your favorite records that you think are "raw" actually have auto tune. Don't let it cloud your judgement of the singer's voice itself.
this is what's wrong with music. what happened to letting the musicians be fucking musicians?
That died years ago.
What do you mean?
Stiff Richard This song wasn't written by Fall Out Boy. This song was manufactured in a studio by the producers. A true artist wouldn't write a song like this, this was manufactured like a product by a corporation. There was hardly any true musicianship here. Sure there were instruments played but a lot of it was computer generated. They didn't sit together and write and play a song. This was put together on a computer by producers and editors.
I agree. I think this video is very interesting as I love hearing deconstructed productions and mixes. He's obviously very talented at producing shiny pop-candy songs, but whhhyyy do some artists go that route. Why can't Fallout Boy just be musicians in a room and play everything themselves. Blah.
+Drew Lassen exactly. this is what I would call micro-produced. it's a completely manufactured song. musicians didn't sit and write this. it disgusts me that people use their skills to make such shit.
Lol this is so easy to do haha.... Lol I have been producing for 5years and ehh he's okay trying making house music lol
+B3YOND How much hits and albums have you made?
***** More than you kid
Nice. No more than JR
+Santiago Paniagua Mejía lol thats why he's not know.... he ghost produces hes not famous
+Danny Morales lol better producer than u... that's all ik
Good interview.
Horrible horrible song.
Michael Dean Is it just me or does JR Rotem seem to be very vague when answering some of the questions?
This music sucks
the vocals were stolen... lmao so original fall out boy
Those yamaha HS8's monitors aren't meant to be on their sides like the NS-10M
pooper pants and ns-10m weren’t meant as studio monitors
Needs bigger screen LOL
The moment I saw the interviewer I went like " oh damn thats CryWolf*_*"
That's a first. Poor sod normally gets Ed Sheeran...
I am the 777th like!