As a trans woman, I def see where Theo is coming from with the role of the company amid the backlash. For her own mental health, I am not sure if Dylan should have taken the gig; however, she's no stranger to being the right's trans scapegoat, so maybe she was ready for it. I think what gets lost in all of this, especially for straight people, is that Bud Light has been making LGBT targeted ads for YEARS and is one of the most popular beers at gay bars all across the US. In a business sense, this is a perfect storm for them. All they have to do is sit by as crazy right wingers and transphobes literally destroy product they already payed for themselves, and then all of the normal people will either continue buying it as normal and/or start buying it again when people stop talking about it in two weeks. They benefit from the huge amount of exposure, and most of the backlash will fall in Dylan herself. There are also a wide variety of alcohol companies that make lgbt ads, Jack Daniels, Absolut Vodka, and Smirnoff are big ones just to name a few. I think this is just one of the many times the right tries to virtue signal their outrage over LGBT issues, so they can seem righter than thou. Also just to respond to the puberty blockers thing. I understand the hesitancy where Theo is coming from. If you're not exposed to trans people, hearing that some adolescents can be prescribed medication for trans issues can be quite a scary thought. But I ask you to dig a little deeper and see past the sensationalized rhetoric surrounding this issue. No, a young kid or teen cannot go to a doctor's office and get hormones after one conversation with a doctor. There are a wide variety of steps that one must take before they can even be considered for them as well, usually this involves a year at least of therapy, a signed letter from said therapist, and at least 6 months to a year of social transition. When I started hormones in liberal NJ, I was required by my doctor to have socially transitioned for a year and get that doctors note that I talked about before that social transition is usually the first thing that a potentially trans kid is told to explore. Try out a new name, present your clothes in a different way, etc.. After all of that a decision is then made between the child, their parents, and a physician/endocrinologist. Like all medical decisions, it should be up to the patient, their parents if they are a minor, and medical professionals - NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The science is there if you're operating in good faith and it costs nothing to treat trans people with respect and dignity, especially in the climate that we live in now.
Gays are not the same as trans lol, don't lump something natural with something requiring medical intervention. Gays, Bi and lesbians should be lumped in with straight people tbh Should iust be TQ+ HAHAHA
What a no balls having fat idiot!!! Doesn’t have the balls to call out this fake transformer!! Fuck Dylan and anyone who won’t call this sick shit out!!!
I will continue to drink bud light bc I like the taste but the trans stufff I don’t support just like I don’t support underage drinking idc what they put on the can what they put on the can doesn’t have anything to do with what I believe in so it shouldn’t be a issue i just want to drink a cold beer after a hard day of work but I feel like this shit is going way to far over board also how do real biological women feel that a male who pretends to be a woman is woman of the year lmfao
Theo seriously is one of the few people I’ve seen that can genuinely question anything from a space of really wanting to just know in a way where there is zero justification in giving him shit. Like any question he asks even when he’s joking my head just goes “ohshit he just really wants to know I hope someone gives him a good answer.” Lol
Most people are like this. Talk to your neighbors or people in your community. Get off corporate and social media. Try to avoid services that recommend you content
For the record, Kid Rock was nowhere near middle class. He was wealthy as fuck since birth. Unless you consider a 22 room house, with horses, a barn, in ground pool and tennis court to be middle class..
@@hamburgler227 All kinds of videos of parents speaking to the school boards about indoctrinating, and sexualizing children. A MAYOR just told one school board to either resign or be charged with pedophilia. Children are testifying about their horrible mistake of getting their breasts removed (transition surgery). I have no idea how you don't know any of this - OH WAIT, YES I DO, you only watch, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and the BBC. And you're probably a fan of TYT and the NEW YORK TIMES. Transsexuality is a very big agenda, WOMAN OF THE YEAR - BRUCE JENNER? It is all madness, the feminist of all people, are okay with MEN stealing their awards. You are aware of the GIGANTIC CONTROVERSY over MEN PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE WOMEN and then destroying all the women they compete against? BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR ACCORDING TO THE LEFTIST CLOWNS who have no idea what is happening in the world. Please note; GIRLS ARE NOT PRETENDING TO BE BOYS SO THEY CAN BREAK RECORDS! Trans vs Trans sounds like a solution to me - but no one will go for it because it doesn't piss enough people off.
Theo is really, really fucking smart at how he approaches these socially driven subjects with questions that spark a conversation in a way that people can openly converse with each other with opposing viewpoints.
@@dogchaser520nah. When children are involved and the ministry of truth. Forcing by law you to believe someone else's delusions as truth. You can keep your God damn shoes
Actually he realized this guy's stance and pulled back. He was testing the waters to not offend him and once he realized his beliefs he could barely talk and the stutter fest began. Believe what you want but when you see someone afraid to even talk about it, that's a problem.
@@codingwitheric is Straw Manning the new Manning brother? I'm sure some bland coder knows more about this than someone whos actually met and is friends with the very people they are discussing. Nice video thumbnails, you get them from coolmathgames?
Pleasently surprised with how thoughtful and respectful this was. I kinda get some of theos hang ups, but his willingness to learn is really reasuring.
A refreshing conversation. 👍🏼 The media needs to chill on trans people. I just want to quietly live my life as a trans woman, not be in the middle of a political warzone. We're only small minority of people.
@@DogfartNetworkk it takes absolutely 0 effort to be a decent human being. just mind your damn business and maybe you wouldn’t be so affected by someone else’s choice of lifestyle.
No you dont “Just” want that. When it comes time to vote for someone who supports transitioning kids , cutting off genitals , giving hormone therapy to children. You’re going to vote in favor of that instead of against it because of who you are. Trans or not these things are currently happening and the left (majority of who trans Vote for) are allowing it and even encouraging it. Doctors are making a fortunate off of transitioning kids (who statistically come to regret the decision). SURE BE TRANS no one cares what fully grown adults do. But when it comes to minors like leave the fucking kids alone.
@robertgonzales9036 he's hitting no.points. dudes got 2 brain cells and both can only come up with shitty comedy skits. Dudes never touched a woman in his life either so he's full of shit as well
You don't have to support them. You have to gtfo of their way when it comes to their personal lives. That's it. How hard is that? It's fvking easy. You can do it in your sleep.
The follow up question should have been, if its such a low percentage of the population, why then is it so over represented. Every movie, tv show, ads, must include trans people.. nike, bud light are juste the latest ones.. the push back is because of that.
While I’m tempted to suggest nefarious reasons, I think those are left to the playmakers in government, honestly. The real answer is that this is what gets eyeballs and corpos see something we don’t: they’re betting the farm that this ideology is the future.
It’s not weird. Trans people have hardly ever been represented before. More representation is not a bad thing. Why the fuck does it bother you? Billionaires and government elites are literally robbing you and making your life worse every day and you can’t get your goddamn eyes off of some people who identify differently. You’re more concerned with making trans folk feel unwelcome and marginalized than you are about your own fucking interests. Things that actually matter. I will never understand this kind of braindead bigotry.
Funny enough I actually saw somebody on another video who was post-op, saying people that didn't get bottom surgery were not really women LOL, oh the irony😂
Tobias has the right of it. Everyone is influenced by propaganda, even when you're very well armed against it. (Advertising having been born out of the propaganda industry, especially as pioneered by Bernays, Freud's nephew.) Advertising works on everyone. Look at the clothes you're wearing, the things you buy, what you want without questioning. I have yet to meet a person who is immune.
@@dogchaser520 No, it actually doesn't. Lying can work on everyone, gaslighting can work on everyone but the truth. The truth can't be propaganda because the truth will have facts to support it. Unfortunately everything now is based on feeling. The fact is they lost 4 billion dollars but feel it's a good idea to keep going. Thats propaganda. There is a major difference between the truth and propaganda. It's simply based on facts. Thats why all of it fell apart. Even the master at it, Hitler eventually paid the ultimate price. The truth will always prevail. Unfortunately, most people aren't very fucking bright. Just look at the Balenciaga collection. People following trends to look homeless. Advertising and propaganda are similar but propaganda has a nefarious agenda. If you can convince people to spend $500 on a paper clip(Prada) you can convince an idiot to do anything. Unfortunately most people are not that bright.
@Tobias Saibot you're right and it's literally everywhere. But an individual can choose to pay attention to it or not. 5 seconds after I hit "skip" on whatever ad played in this video I couldn't tell you what it was for. I buy beer from a local brewery that doesn't advertise because it's convenient and I like the taste.
@@dogchaser520 im largely immune. dont buy big name brand clothes. food i buy is almost all basic produce/meat. for stuff like condiments or whatever i usually try the no name brands and compare rather than pay a premium for no reason. cars ive owned are based on things like fuel efficiency and reviews i read rather than advertisements etc... some people are definitely more immune than others to being influenced by ads. maybe no one is 100% immune but i'd say unironically i'm 99% immune.
@@gaysfortrump2024 I'm pretty similar. In fact, advertisements create brand aversion for me because I dislike being manipulated. I actively avoid buying branded products and somewhat secretly despise people who wear branded clothing. It's a prejudice for sure, but I can't help but feel the deepest contempt mixed with pity at seeing someone not just advertise a product, but pay a premium for the privilege to do so. The vanity of buying a branded product so you're not "off-brand" is so deeply pathetic that inspires revulsion in anyone with a modicum of intelligence. Watching advertisements makes me feel physically ill, somewhat anxious, and occasionally furious. Nonetheless, that does still mean I'm being manipulated by the propaganda, but in the opposite intended direction most of the time. Still influence, though! You need serious training, diligence and critical thinking to try and separate yourself from that influence. As you say, you're still not perfectly immune. And at the very least, it affects others around you, which in turn affects your life through interaction with those people. They may provide certain subtle frames of reference that influence your thinking, propagating the mind-virus unconsciously, and you wouldn't even be aware it's happening. But fortunately, yes, we can train ourselves. Media literacy and propaganda resistance training should be taught to all children. This would also help avoid the "fake news" effect. Yes, of course all news is "fake" in that it's biased and has a motive. The funny thing with the "fake news" decriers is that they usually opt to get news from even more biased and propagandizing sources that lure them in through an addiction to outrage and smug superiority. Can't say I'm immune to that, either.
I’m Korean-American & this is the first time I heard this. I thought there were tons of Asian trans. Older generations, not just Asians, used to place much importance in having a son but that type of thinking is changing. I’ll need to see what Bobby Lee thinks about that. Luv that Theo.
Trans guy here. what hurts most is all through childhood, cis men hit on me, tried to lure me to their car, asked my age when I was 12 to 16. When you turn them down, they might yell, cuss at you, follow you. unless you let em down easy, and that always felt like being an ant in an antlion's trap trying to claw your way out while they pull you in. Now after my transition, I still can't feel safe. I've never been afraid of a dragqueen or a trans woman in life. I've always been afraid of men, still am. And a lot of men don't listen to girls or trans people, or least of all, abuse survivers. They only listen to the news 🤷
@Gobity I was always a tomboy growing up, socially transitioned in my teens and never took a step back. I'm totally sure this is what I want. Ironically the biggest roadblock was fear of being unlovable Seen plenty of people in the trans community de-transition and even transition in the first place for a relationship, so it's true a lot of people don't do this for the right reasons. Hate to say something this generalizing but I'm under the impression most girls have the same childhood experience I had. I mean it's common, men creeping up on kids is all over the place. I wasn't attractive either, very poor andscrubby. The prettier girls and the girls who look older get it worse. I don't think for a second that I got special treatment from older men, I was the last one they would've picked to get fresh with
@@Joe-sg9ll it’s so funny mfs always attribute that to people transitioning without even thinking for a second what other factors could’ve gone into it, have u lived this persons life or something? why do u care so much about other people and what they doin with their own bodies? i bet it must suck to see more and more people finally being who they want in a world where u feel like everyone has to apply to ur goof ass standards😂
I respect Theo and think he's genuinely sharing his opinion and being open to others, but "people who are unsure will see trans people and want to become trans" is only an issue if you see being trans as a problem
Here’s the cycle: -Company makes some kind of marketing campaign that is vaguely socially conscious maybe either out of genuine interest to spread that message and/or to appeal to a certain audience. -the audience it isn’t marketed to gets outraged and starts making a shitstorm over the Internet and on network outlets -People on the other side flock to defend said business and/or call out the backlash, and thus the business gains a bunch of attention, notoriety, and thus money. -Another company sees the fruitful opportunity of using social issues as marketing campaigns and thus the whole cycle starts over. I feel like this kind of branding and marketing wouldn’t be all that intriguing if these company’s knew there wouldn’t be some kind of polarizing effect. You’re going to lose a certain kind of customer, but you’re also going to gain the respect and loyalty of another customer.
I'm in marketing, and to be honest, this kind of strategy isn't really rational from a marketing perspective. Choosing Dylan as a face of the company isn't congruent or synegistic with the overall brand image. Also, trends show younger people are drinking less and less, so it doesn't make sense to specifically market to them (which is the primary demographic following Dylan) at the cost of alienating your main customers. Socially progressive marketing can be effective, but this type of brand is so far removed from the demographic that strategy appeals to that it doesn't work. It would be a good strategy for some kind of hipster-y IPA beer, but Bud Light is firmly positioned as a beer for male middle aged manual laborers and the like. In marketing, one of your main priorities should be customer retention and building long term relationships, as this is where the majority of your sales will come from. Alienating your core base by drastically altering the brand image just for the sake of getting some awareness on Twitter and the news doesn't make sense. Outrage can be effective in some circumstances to get into the news cycle, but you shouldn't outrage your customer base in ANY circumstance. An example of good outrage marketing would be Grand Theft Auto 5, which got into the news for its outlandish and provocative content, but this worked primarily because it caused ourage for middle-class, religious, surbuban mothers who are not the target audience, and it also helped reinforce the brand as this counter-culture kind of product which appealed to its target demographics. It's likely this strategy came from a desire to boost their CEI score. It doesn't make sense from any kind of logical marketing standpoint.
tell that to the execs that just oversaw 5 billion devaluation of the company. anheuser-busch has one of the lowest esg scores on record. imagine paying billions of dollars to impress commies.
@@crossmarian773 but the majority of bud light drinkers are under 30, which tend to be more progressive or left of center. and the majority of people (i e. normal people) don’t give a shit about who’s on the can
@@crossmarian773 I get where you're coming from, but they didn't make Dylan the face of the company. They gave her a single can of beer with her face on it to post as sponsored content to her social media accounts. To be kinda honest, I think Bud Light miscalculated the rage this invoked in conservatives. Imo the response to Bud Light by conservatives is trying to send the companies a message that any support or collaboration with a trans person is grounds for the utmost retaliation.
Just to correct Stavros’ on the period tracking comment 😂 It was actually 2 separate news articles that through the grapevine, merged together into one story. First, a Florida high school almost made it a rule to answer questions about your menstrual cycle to play on women’s sports teams. Second, since all this AI scare is happening and the Roe vs. Wade event, women have been telling each other to delete period tracking apps to prevent proof of criminal activity in states where abortion is illegal. Hope this helps, love you so much Theo! ❤
He also said that swimmer “cut his nuts off” to compete with females. Not true, he still has male genitalia and shared locker rooms with biological women, with no warning. Stavros said a lot of shit that he was wrong about.
how is that crazy? it’s literally the norm for people in government to be offered well paying corporate jobs after their service. They’re often even promised jobs before their service is over to so that regulations will be made in their favor. plus if you think the CEO of one of the largest beverage manufacturers in the entire world is paying close attention to a random marketing campaign then i don’t think you know what CEOs do lol
@@tylerdavis849 lmao no they don't. The CEO is leading a global 500 company that owns hundreds of international brands and thousands of products, he's not dilly-dallying on some random ass marketing campaign. he has way more important shit to do
It's nice to see a good faith discussion. Clearly Theo has hesitation around the subject, but was still respectful and tried to articulate real motivations of fear that people have. Stav pretty much echoed my exact thoughts on most of it, which is cool because I was sure where he would be on that. This is exactly how discourse should occur, good for them. It's a little concerning to me to see Theo gravitate to some of the right lately though. And here's the thing there's nothing wrong with hanging out with people i ideologically disagree with, people are more than politics, but some of these people are abhorrent, like Bar and Peterson. And those people don't deserve a platform imo.
I didn't know what to expect clicking on this but I was kinda pleasantly surprised by the conversation. Stavos has the right answers here for the most part. Florida only passes fear mongering bills.
When i was younger And ignorant we had a roommate whom was gay. Not one of my issues with them had nothing to do with his 'prefrence'....but when he acted like a shitty person.....We had 'Clashes'. Humanity needs a morality check. People are Just people....Anywhere you go on this planet. Thanks to you both for the episode.
That’s why the right wing is so obsessed with trying to stop trans rep in media and these topics being taught in school. They want us to be a faceless mass of hysterical degenerates who hate every value you as the average citizen hold dear. As soon as you hear a really good joke from a trans person or a story about them having car troubles or their fishing trip they had last week you start to see them as people with hobbies and struggles just like you.
@@bryce9083 my best friend is trans. I’ve known her for 3 years and she’s a lovely person. Don’t slander trans people as “crazy”: it’s just not true and a very damaging idea to propagate.
The trans swimmer was getting naked in the women's room and still had her male parts. The women said no one told them so it was uncomfortable. I do think this woke movement is hurting gay, trans and even racial issues. People are becoming less open minded and now feel like we are the enemy.
Woke crap hurts everyone imo. I don't care what or who someone wants to be. But as an adult biological female, I do not want a person with a penis in the bathroom or locker room with me. Get the boy parts taken off first. It's also very insulting that people are being named women of the year , especially the ones that still have a penis. When women like me have been women all of our lives. As for children, there should be no sexualized content anywhere. Drag shows, strippers, books and talks about sex, gender, gay, trans, straight, etc. Idk what they can't just be little kuds.
This is the first time I've listened to stavros outside of his standup, super smart and I like his views and his crowd work is refreshing. This guy is going to be at the top. Lessss go
Majority of trans is still attracted to the opposite sex. So if a man transitions to a woman they are still attracted to women. It’s very complicated. I have experience with several being a makeup artist in the 90s. Even drag queens are entirely different. Most identify as gay who perform in drag theatre. My experiences with individual men who sought me to help them transition-revealed to me how much of a fetish it was to them. Ex: sexual gratification from wearing lingerie to then complete transition to women in public. And these examples are just a few on the dozens I could mention. I think parents have a right to be concerned and trans conversations do not belong in schools. Let kids be kids and not burden them with this.
Yeah, it's a big wide world outside of the narrow-minded gaze of the Rogan podcast narrative. That thing is an echo chamber. Good on Stav for entering this circle of podcasters and holding onto his own opinions. Many won't.
@@shauncowell6215 this comment section is a shithole man fr, im suprised at the lack of historical awareness from people here at all. do people not see the "facist" undertones of anti-trans messaging?
The whole Bud Light thing is weird because it was just a one and done ad that if it hadn't been blown out of proportion, only that trans influencers followers would have seen it 😅, it was in her instagram I think, so who would see it? I sure wouldn't have.
@Tobias Saibot the fact you confuse drag and transgenders says all we need to know about your knowledge on this issue lmfao But to answer your question nonetheless, let me ask you another first. Do you think we should make it illegal for children to go to church?
@@MNZGamin they're not. Some trans women and men participate in drag. That doesn't equate them at all. Drag queens are mostly gay men. Do you also claim that homosexuality and drag are two sides of the same coin?
There is also zero evidence to show that they've always existed and that this isn't just a recent cultural phenomena, similar to teenage girls cutting thing.
@@FloridaGoth you can literally find examples of transgender throughout every culture in any time period. can you point me towards a specific time period/civilization where you think they did not exist?
I feel like the bit about having no girls not being attracted to you resulting in you thinking there's no chemistry with women so your only option of finding love is with guys is so spot on for me. Like I had bulimia in my teen years and had such low self esteem I went crazy and hallucinated girls thinking that I was cute then ugly for like 7 years straight. No joke every class period at school for 7 years was "acceptance," "rejection" over and over again. Before my eating disorder I knew I thought girls were pretty. This was even after when I was sexually assaulted as a kid. Like to this day I thought I was gay and maybe I am but maybe I'm bi.
I feel like you’re speaking to me. I’ve lived my life as a gay guy and now I’m like… maybe I’m not as gay as I thought. I always thought of myself as obese and disgusting and just assumed that a woman would ever want to be with me sexually. My sexual experiences with men have been meh and in my last relationship I almost never wanted to have sex while my boyfriend wanted to have sex like twice a day; it put a bit of a strain on our relationship. I had to evaluate why I have always felt my relationships have felt “off” in some way and then I was like… maybe it’s because I am not as attracted to men as I thought I was and maybe it’s because I am thinking about women a lot.
@@DanEMO592 Given the natural world's need for "Man plus woman" I'm inclined to think "straight" is everyone's default and it is our environment that determines attraction. Sexuality is CRAZY complex. The "born that way" narrative seems less science-based and more like it was born out of desperation by the gay community as a reaction to the hate that gay people receive. (It's harder to hate someone for something out of their control.)
He also mentioned in a song (when he was over 30yo) how much he loves underaged girls and says statutory is mandatory. Pretty much an open admission to being a groomer. 😬
As someone who spent years as a homeless drug addict, it’s crazy how good we have it in America yet how often I hear Americans talking about how bad things are here in America.
Everyone in the U.S. now has access to things that kings and queens couldn't have dreamed of in the dark ages. But we shouldn't compare our condition to medieval times or the 1800s... Rural white Americans and urban Americans of color have a standard of living significantly below that of any demographic in western Europe or Japan or even fkn Cuba in some cases. That's the comparison we should be making Like, everyone has a smart phone because they're relatively inexpensive (see: slave labor in cobalt mines) but having a smart phone doesn't do you much good when you can't pay your medical bills and your house is forclosed on
The swimmer didn’t cut anything if that’s the whole point, people don’t have to cut anything of or even dress a certain way and can just claim they are whatever
Used to tell the roommate....when you feeling down because someone took a 'swing at your prefrence'...remember When you are COMFORTABLE within your own skin nobody can hurt you. Its WHY honesty is So important. Sorry for my 8 cents.
Thing is tho Lea Thomas or whatever was a fully intact male for competition just on hormone blockers. The women that had to change in the locker room with him were the ones that said so.
It really is just a very small percentage of people that are trans. I personally know only one and have never met another one. But I also have never encountered one of those crazies who think that being trans is a cool trend.
yes, its a very small percentage and yet theyre winning all of the awards, becoming sponsors of all the companies and were waiving the trans flag above our nations capitol. the people who think being trans is a cool trend is the younger generation, up to 20% of them.
Nearly one in five people who identify as transgender are ages 13-17. The percentage and number of adults who identify as transgender in the U.S. has remained steady over time. Our estimate of the number of youth who identify as transgender has doubled from our previous estimate.
@@DoTheHuman My nephew says its a fashion statement and half the kids in his class will say they are trans or gay just so they look "cool" and then they are rewarded by the staff for being a brave robot.
No offense to Stavvy here, but he has the mentality of a junior high student. Always talking about sex and food and engaging in all manner of debauchery. Not exactly the intelligent take I'd want for this topic haha
ironic because under neo-liberalism tr*nnies are the single most counter-revolutionary category of people. Literally would not exist under any other system, therefore they have to perpetuate it.
Yeah, he’s going wherever the wind takes him. Although, it’s quite convenient that his opinions are the same opinions held by everyone else in the entertainment industry.
idk he says no one would ever mutliate themselves to win something, but i look at all the plastic surgery instagram girls get and i have serious doubts.
How many mentally ill parents will try and convince their child that they're different? How did we reach this point as a society? We are all basically being forced to agree that it's okay but it isn't
How did we reach this point of a society that people can be so delusional that they genuinely believe parents are turning their children transgender LMFAO
Theo just quietly mimicking all the conservative talking points, about these issues being "shoved down our throats" and stavvy having a point to come back to every time was impressive.
I understand the outrage about aunt jumyma just like I don't understand it against bud light. Don't like it don't buy it case closed. Both sides have lost their minds everyone is perpetually grievanced. Being offended is the new hip thing. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Case closed.
Not that I have anything against rainbows but when I first heard about it I was sorta on everyone's side like I don't mind it but it ain't gonna be cool to walk around the bar with rainbow trying to get chicks. But then I read they aren't changing the cans it was just one special can that they made for one person. And it's hysterical that people would even care about that lol. Flakes of snow everywhere
"About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth" That's a freaking shockingly huge percentage if you ask me.
are you advocating for the number to be lower? the percentage of left handed people went up when cultural opinion shifted, then it leveled out. most likely this will peak and level out
Man as a trans dude i really appreciate this video. Thank you theo, its nice seeing a comic whos just a normal dude with no political agenda whos accepting of the trans community or at least tolerant of it. And honestly i appreciate the point u made about trans ppl being over represented in the media, because when i compare how things are today to when i transitioned like 13 years ago, i swear things are worse now because the media has already given ppl and opinion of me and ppl like me before they even met me. So i wish they werent trying to cram trans stuff down everyones throats and just let us live like normal ppl. So thank you for mentioning that. You kick ass
I think this is something that could fit here, but my counter argument is "pandering vs reprisentation". As a trans woman, I love it when I see a good story with a well written trans character that is authentic. I do not like to see "filler episode with guest character you'll never see again who is trans so we can fake caring and give half woke statements about loving yourself with no consequences to anything aren't we great". People judged trans people before they had as much time in the spotlight. And that judgement was rarely pne of peace, love, acceptance or tolerance even. Representation, good representation, does wonders. Capitalising on a group of people you don't understand so you can say a lot of things while saying nothing, does not help. The whole "shoving down throats" thing is bullshit and was enough for me to suspect you are lying, but I'd rather treat a liar sincerely than an honest man as a fool. Isn't the lack of trans people in media forcing cis shit down our throats? Everything is political until it's accepted and normal. This argument rings empty.
@@skyistaken1605 idk, from my perspective i see weird little things that seem like the representation is forceful in ways it doesent need to be. Like my little sister in law was playing the hogwarts legacy game and sironas character is trans right, and like i dont care i thought it was cute. But LITERALLY, as shes playing it i stg all the npc’s were like “have u talked to sirona? Sirona is so cool. Sirona is so funny” like jesus christ lol. I mean it just feels so fake. They commodify us, its almost always a marketing ploy. I can imagine as someone whos cis and is on the fence on trans issues, even little shit like that would just be so annoying. Or having caitlin jenner as a trans icon 😬 hopefully i dont have to explain that one lol. But like im not against trans representation lol. I just dont think representation is equal to liberation if that makes sense. All that capitalism has to offer trans people for “equality” is representation. It does very little to actually benefit my life. Like I said in my first comment, i feel like life was easier for me as a trans person when there was less media attention in general because people got a chance to know me before having an opinion on trans issues already. Hope that helped clarify.
@@savannah6508 not really 🤡. It’s basic science taught to 6th graders well at least it used to be taught, now students don’t know what to think. Again. Get help.
Yeah, can you elaborate why? Genuinely, just being trans doesn’t give you some magic advantage to be good at sports. Everyone is built differently, some people are going to have an advantage just based on their body type alone. I.e. taller people are probably gonna be a little faster in running sports, so should that not be allowed either?
@@alttabsStarting off a biological male gives you a huge advantage in most sports over biological females. There are absolutely zero trans males running over biological males because starting off as a female does not endow benefits. It’s not rocket science. It’s obviously not ok for a trans woman to compete against biological females unless those females agree to do so. If the biological females want a crack at them then there’s no victim. Otherwise there’s an obvious victim.
@@evanquinn3691 Ok, but there are women born with abnormal testosterone and bone size/density. Should we put them in the male category? Plus, the “male” swimmer in question DIDN’T BREAK ANY RECORDS OR EVEN WIN, so what’s up with that?
@1234 abcd for a moment, try to imagine what it would be like if being ur biological sex was a mental chore everyday. ur hormones out of line, anxiety & feeling uncomfortable. it’s literally just about having empathy towards another human. then it’s easy to not care about what others do as long as they’re not harming anyone
@@yaego The issue is everyone’s anxious and uncomfortable. That’s no reason to mutilate your genitalia. I think our culture has made people so depressed that they aren’t happy with themselves. Instead of actually fixing the root of the problem, society has convinced people something is wrong with them. But at the core it’s systemic, economic even.
@@dkatomski as a trans person, I'd like to weigh in. You wouldn't understand what it feels like BECAUSE you are not transgender. There are so many things to be depressed about in society like you said, most I would agree are systemic and economic. Being trans is an additional level of anxiety that you feel as a result of feeling a mismatch in your birth gender. For me and many other people, we run away from this fact about ourselves for a long time. We may recognize these feelings to some degree, but addressing those specific feelings would mean ALOT of work and explaining to people constantly where you're coming from. I tried therapy, I tried getting in shape, I had a successful cisgender and heterosexual relationship; however, none of these things addressed this fundamental part of myself that I tried so hard to push down - and trust me I tried so hard lol. When I started coming out and living authentically, the other stressors and anxieties you talked about didn't go away. But being able to be who I am, and finally able to see someone in the mirror that reflects what I feel inside, makes the sum total of everything so much more bearable. I can only say that for me, starting hormones was like taking my first full breath of a air for the first time in my life. Also you shouldn't call it mutalating your genitals, unless you also refer to any surgery as mutilating your body.
i’m sure you don’t have a problem with priests and preachers being left alone with kids even though the stats are way higher for them. you dont hate trans people because they’re groomers you hate them because you’re small mined and dumb
As a trans woman, I def see where Theo is coming from with the role of the company amid the backlash. For her own mental health, I am not sure if Dylan should have taken the gig; however, she's no stranger to being the right's trans scapegoat, so maybe she was ready for it. I think what gets lost in all of this, especially for straight people, is that Bud Light has been making LGBT targeted ads for YEARS and is one of the most popular beers at gay bars all across the US. In a business sense, this is a perfect storm for them. All they have to do is sit by as crazy right wingers and transphobes literally destroy product they already payed for themselves, and then all of the normal people will either continue buying it as normal and/or start buying it again when people stop talking about it in two weeks. They benefit from the huge amount of exposure, and most of the backlash will fall in Dylan herself. There are also a wide variety of alcohol companies that make lgbt ads, Jack Daniels, Absolut Vodka, and Smirnoff are big ones just to name a few. I think this is just one of the many times the right tries to virtue signal their outrage over LGBT issues, so they can seem righter than thou.
Also just to respond to the puberty blockers thing. I understand the hesitancy where Theo is coming from. If you're not exposed to trans people, hearing that some adolescents can be prescribed medication for trans issues can be quite a scary thought. But I ask you to dig a little deeper and see past the sensationalized rhetoric surrounding this issue. No, a young kid or teen cannot go to a doctor's office and get hormones after one conversation with a doctor. There are a wide variety of steps that one must take before they can even be considered for them as well, usually this involves a year at least of therapy, a signed letter from said therapist, and at least 6 months to a year of social transition. When I started hormones in liberal NJ, I was required by my doctor to have socially transitioned for a year and get that doctors note that I talked about before that social transition is usually the first thing that a potentially trans kid is told to explore. Try out a new name, present your clothes in a different way, etc.. After all of that a decision is then made between the child, their parents, and a physician/endocrinologist. Like all medical decisions, it should be up to the patient, their parents if they are a minor, and medical professionals - NOT THE GOVERNMENT. The science is there if you're operating in good faith and it costs nothing to treat trans people with respect and dignity, especially in the climate that we live in now.
Apparently it cost Bud Light $5B’s to treat that dude with respect and dignity 😂
@@shaunacasale3311 the stock went down 3 bucks and it’s up today. they will bounce back
She? He’s a guy. A he
@@floppydong295 and you are a floppy dong. A floppy. Dong
Gays are not the same as trans lol, don't lump something natural with something requiring medical intervention.
Gays, Bi and lesbians should be lumped in with straight people tbh
Should iust be TQ+ HAHAHA
“Throw on some overalls” damn, stavros knows his non-binary people lmfao
@@PRR-ny6eq overalls are dope, cope harder
Tbf he's been living most of his adult life as a fat toothless lesbian so he knows the demographic.
The best part of this is Stavros making fun of Kid Rock, not knowing Theo is friends with him lol.
The best part is Stavros doesn't know fuck all about business. Busch's stock is down over 30% since the dumb marketing stunt.
What a no balls having fat idiot!!! Doesn’t have the balls to call out this fake transformer!! Fuck Dylan and anyone who won’t call this sick shit out!!!
Kid Rock light's up a bag of potatoes on a couch next, lol.
F Kid Rock
Kid Rock grew up rich. Google "Kid Rock childhood home".
I will continue to not drink Bud Light, not because of who's is on the can, but because of what is in the can.
I will continue to drink bud light bc I like the taste but the trans stufff I don’t support just like I don’t support underage drinking idc what they put on the can what they put on the can doesn’t have anything to do with what I believe in so it shouldn’t be a issue i just want to drink a cold beer after a hard day of work but I feel like this shit is going way to far over board also how do real biological women feel that a male who pretends to be a woman is woman of the year lmfao
@Tobias Saibot I heard it's transexual bath water
Rice beer is most American beer!!!!!!!!how are du!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sooo brave of you... Lol
agreeed hahahah
Theo seriously is one of the few people I’ve seen that can genuinely question anything from a space of really wanting to just know in a way where there is zero justification in giving him shit. Like any question he asks even when he’s joking my head just goes “ohshit he just really wants to know I hope someone gives him a good answer.” Lol
You need to see more people.
Most people are like this. Talk to your neighbors or people in your community. Get off corporate and social media. Try to avoid services that recommend you content
@@seanstars6637 says the guy surfing TH-cam for people to troll
He inspires me to continue thinking this way. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one.
Yeah he def has his very own sense of humor. The names he gives things are hilariously correct lol
For the record, Kid Rock was nowhere near middle class. He was wealthy as fuck since birth. Unless you consider a 22 room house, with horses, a barn, in ground pool and tennis court to be middle class..
lmao how did his image become trailer trash. odd choice but i guess he knows who will be buying his records
Not a fan of Kid Rock, but he's playing a character. It's theater, and he's very good at the role. And he knows his audience. Dude is shrewd.
Yeah who tells false stories of being poor.. when they were young???.. in Scranton?. . with corn pop?. ..😅
@@tharp42 yeah coming from rich shrewd people you learn to be shrewd
What’s the problem with him coming from a wealthy family?
Theo is the Ted Lasso quote, "Be curious, not judgmental", personified. I think that's why i respect him so much.
Theo kept coming back to the trans stuff LMAO. You conservatives are really obsessed with this shit.
Pushing transitioning on children is evil
@@Porklion you’re right. Good thing no one’s doing that
@@hamburgler227 All kinds of videos of parents speaking to the school boards about indoctrinating, and sexualizing children. A MAYOR just told one school board to either resign or be charged with pedophilia. Children are testifying about their horrible mistake of getting their breasts removed (transition surgery). I have no idea how you don't know any of this - OH WAIT, YES I DO, you only watch, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and the BBC. And you're probably a fan of TYT and the NEW YORK TIMES. Transsexuality is a very big agenda, WOMAN OF THE YEAR - BRUCE JENNER? It is all madness, the feminist of all people, are okay with MEN stealing their awards. You are aware of the GIGANTIC CONTROVERSY over MEN PRETENDING LIKE THEY ARE WOMEN and then destroying all the women they compete against? BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR ACCORDING TO THE LEFTIST CLOWNS who have no idea what is happening in the world. Please note; GIRLS ARE NOT PRETENDING TO BE BOYS SO THEY CAN BREAK RECORDS! Trans vs Trans sounds like a solution to me - but no one will go for it because it doesn't piss enough people off.
@@hamburgler227 people are most fucking certainly doing that, and you goddamn well know it.
“I think the mullet is a nice non-binary look” 😂😂
I thought he said Mullen lol
I cackled. Hilarious
And throwing on a pair of overalls.
😂😂😂
I screamed 😂
The non-binary person naming themselves “Sock” is so accurate
Theo is really, really fucking smart at how he approaches these socially driven subjects with questions that spark a conversation in a way that people can openly converse with each other with opposing viewpoints.
He’s incredibly intelligent
Empathy has a lot to do with it. Put yourself in somebody else's shoes. It's not that hard, but a lot of people are too lazy to do it anymore
@@dogchaser520nah. When children are involved and the ministry of truth. Forcing by law you to believe someone else's delusions as truth. You can keep your God damn shoes
@dogchaser520 Most people are reptile demons who lack the capacity, hence war and poverty.
Yea he really is. Although it’s hard for even Theo to make this guy interesting. All he wants to do is repeat talking points not have a conversation.
Our boy Theo a lot smarter than he acts
Nah, he is smart in his actions and wisdom.
No way bruh
Theo’s always been smart. You must be new
Actually he realized this guy's stance and pulled back. He was testing the waters to not offend him and once he realized his beliefs he could barely talk and the stutter fest began. Believe what you want but when you see someone afraid to even talk about it, that's a problem.
He is but most of his fanbase is similar to that of Larry the Cable guy.
This is a better and calmer conversation than has happened on cable news in the past 25 years.
Stav is so left. Theo was biting his tongue in some instances and the rest he’s just not knowledgeable
@@brians2811 are you mad everyone doesnt have the same opinions as you?
@@codingwitheric is Straw Manning the new Manning brother? I'm sure some bland coder knows more about this than someone whos actually met and is friends with the very people they are discussing. Nice video thumbnails, you get them from coolmathgames?
Theo played nice to pacify his woke friend. Stavros is gonna pander for popularity.
@@sheridan7475 it’s true so much insincerity in the podcast world just a buncha smooth talking wise guys
Pleasently surprised with how thoughtful and respectful this was. I kinda get some of theos hang ups, but his willingness to learn is really reasuring.
A refreshing conversation. 👍🏼 The media needs to chill on trans people. I just want to quietly live my life as a trans woman, not be in the middle of a political warzone. We're only small minority of people.
You aren’t a woman though
@@DogfartNetworkk you aren’t loved by your parents either
@@DogfartNetworkk it takes absolutely 0 effort to be a decent human being. just mind your damn business and maybe you wouldn’t be so affected by someone else’s choice of lifestyle.
No you dont “Just” want that. When it comes time to vote for someone who supports transitioning kids , cutting off genitals , giving hormone therapy to children. You’re going to vote in favor of that instead of against it because of who you are. Trans or not these things are currently happening and the left (majority of who trans Vote for) are allowing it and even encouraging it. Doctors are making a fortunate off of transitioning kids (who statistically come to regret the decision). SURE BE TRANS no one cares what fully grown adults do. But when it comes to minors like leave the fucking kids alone.
@livs Quit fucking with children and you will.
This is how 2 people with different views have a respectful conversation kids
Damn. Stav and Theo hitting many intelligent, refreshingly honest points with regards to having their finger on the pulse of society. Im impressed…
Stav is hittinh many intellegent points, theo is friends with Kid Rock
And we've now discovered that Stavros is gay ! Or bi
@@user-nj1zu2nf1x youre the problem
@@man.itz.ashtonhe is gay
@robertgonzales9036 he's hitting no.points. dudes got 2 brain cells and both can only come up with shitty comedy skits. Dudes never touched a woman in his life either so he's full of shit as well
Incredible conversation, two people just chilling, calming talking about some heated topics 👏
“Being center-left, you have to support the trans community fully, without knowing wtf the trans community does”
-Nick Mullen
They teach little boys about cutting off their private parts. And what anal sex is. Not cool. WAKE UP.
They’ve really used that as a meme to evade criticism lol
You don't have to support them. You have to gtfo of their way when it comes to their personal lives. That's it. How hard is that? It's fvking easy. You can do it in your sleep.
What?
Nick Mullen
@nycguidovoice
If I had a trans son, I’d never speak to him again.
Because I would be speaking to HER.
Thank you, this was such a respectful way to go about with this topic. You brought up a lot of seriously good points.
Great convo. A lot of ppl are just new to this concept like Theo and it’s nice to see stavros calmly explaining shit without being confrontational
Stavros is the best kind of ambassador for this shit to regular dudes
Hysterically & and ironically, this was probably the best conversation on the topic I have heard
Never would I thought stavi and Theo would interest me in the discussion of this topic.
No way… fat boy was just parroting leftist horseshit
Definetly ironicslly
The follow up question should have been, if its such a low percentage of the population, why then is it so over represented. Every movie, tv show, ads, must include trans people.. nike, bud light are juste the latest ones.. the push back is because of that.
Why is it overrepresented. Trans people are getting legislated out of existence.
Are you living under a rock?
While I’m tempted to suggest nefarious reasons, I think those are left to the playmakers in government, honestly. The real answer is that this is what gets eyeballs and corpos see something we don’t: they’re betting the farm that this ideology is the future.
lol corporations bad so I'm voting right wing
@@mutestingray wtf, unbiased and critical thinking exercised in a youtube comment? Never thought i'd see the day 🤣🤣
It’s not weird. Trans people have hardly ever been represented before. More representation is not a bad thing. Why the fuck does it bother you? Billionaires and government elites are literally robbing you and making your life worse every day and you can’t get your goddamn eyes off of some people who identify differently. You’re more concerned with making trans folk feel unwelcome and marginalized than you are about your own fucking interests. Things that actually matter. I will never understand this kind of braindead bigotry.
These are the two funniest non binary looking comedians in the game !
Budweiser is just water that identifies as beer but is not committed enough to make a full transformation.
THAT'S what I'm talking about! Keep the jokes about Bud Light tasting nasty coming! 😂😂😂
I, as a 23 year old female with a husband who literally loves intense German beer, will continue to drink light weak beer😭😭
@@corablah9809 shiner bock sux...
Funny enough I actually saw somebody on another video who was post-op, saying people that didn't get bottom surgery were not really women LOL, oh the irony😂
It really is the perfect trans beer then huh?
When theo says “you young people” and the camera pans to stavros😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The only thing I get from all this controversy, is that advertising only works on simple people.
Tobias has the right of it. Everyone is influenced by propaganda, even when you're very well armed against it. (Advertising having been born out of the propaganda industry, especially as pioneered by Bernays, Freud's nephew.) Advertising works on everyone. Look at the clothes you're wearing, the things you buy, what you want without questioning. I have yet to meet a person who is immune.
@@dogchaser520 No, it actually doesn't. Lying can work on everyone, gaslighting can work on everyone but the truth. The truth can't be propaganda because the truth will have facts to support it. Unfortunately everything now is based on feeling. The fact is they lost 4 billion dollars but feel it's a good idea to keep going. Thats propaganda. There is a major difference between the truth and propaganda. It's simply based on facts. Thats why all of it fell apart. Even the master at it, Hitler eventually paid the ultimate price. The truth will always prevail. Unfortunately, most people aren't very fucking bright. Just look at the Balenciaga collection. People following trends to look homeless. Advertising and propaganda are similar but propaganda has a nefarious agenda. If you can convince people to spend $500 on a paper clip(Prada) you can convince an idiot to do anything. Unfortunately most people are not that bright.
@Tobias Saibot you're right and it's literally everywhere. But an individual can choose to pay attention to it or not. 5 seconds after I hit "skip" on whatever ad played in this video I couldn't tell you what it was for. I buy beer from a local brewery that doesn't advertise because it's convenient and I like the taste.
@@dogchaser520 im largely immune. dont buy big name brand clothes. food i buy is almost all basic produce/meat. for stuff like condiments or whatever i usually try the no name brands and compare rather than pay a premium for no reason. cars ive owned are based on things like fuel efficiency and reviews i read rather than advertisements etc... some people are definitely more immune than others to being influenced by ads. maybe no one is 100% immune but i'd say unironically i'm 99% immune.
@@gaysfortrump2024 I'm pretty similar. In fact, advertisements create brand aversion for me because I dislike being manipulated. I actively avoid buying branded products and somewhat secretly despise people who wear branded clothing. It's a prejudice for sure, but I can't help but feel the deepest contempt mixed with pity at seeing someone not just advertise a product, but pay a premium for the privilege to do so. The vanity of buying a branded product so you're not "off-brand" is so deeply pathetic that inspires revulsion in anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
Watching advertisements makes me feel physically ill, somewhat anxious, and occasionally furious. Nonetheless, that does still mean I'm being manipulated by the propaganda, but in the opposite intended direction most of the time. Still influence, though! You need serious training, diligence and critical thinking to try and separate yourself from that influence. As you say, you're still not perfectly immune. And at the very least, it affects others around you, which in turn affects your life through interaction with those people. They may provide certain subtle frames of reference that influence your thinking, propagating the mind-virus unconsciously, and you wouldn't even be aware it's happening. But fortunately, yes, we can train ourselves. Media literacy and propaganda resistance training should be taught to all children. This would also help avoid the "fake news" effect. Yes, of course all news is "fake" in that it's biased and has a motive. The funny thing with the "fake news" decriers is that they usually opt to get news from even more biased and propagandizing sources that lure them in through an addiction to outrage and smug superiority. Can't say I'm immune to that, either.
Based comrade Stavros. Getting into class consciousness here.
@13:48 him him
perfect example of how theo is a fucking genius
Great way to throw Asians under the bus!
I’m Korean-American & this is the first time I heard this. I thought there were tons of Asian trans. Older generations, not just Asians, used to place much importance in having a son but that type of thinking is changing. I’ll need to see what Bobby Lee thinks about that. Luv that Theo.
Trans guy here. what hurts most is all through childhood, cis men hit on me, tried to lure me to their car, asked my age when I was 12 to 16. When you turn them down, they might yell, cuss at you, follow you. unless you let em down easy, and that always felt like being an ant in an antlion's trap trying to claw your way out while they pull you in.
Now after my transition, I still can't feel safe. I've never been afraid of a dragqueen or a trans woman in life. I've always been afraid of men, still am. And a lot of men don't listen to girls or trans people, or least of all, abuse survivers. They only listen to the news 🤷
The thing is cis people respect homosexuals, gays, lesbians- but not the people who take it too far.
Lmao these trans females out here deserve to have the shit beat out of them for trying to date as women.
@Gobity I was always a tomboy growing up, socially transitioned in my teens and never took a step back. I'm totally sure this is what I want. Ironically the biggest roadblock was fear of being unlovable
Seen plenty of people in the trans community de-transition and even transition in the first place for a relationship, so it's true a lot of people don't do this for the right reasons. Hate to say something this generalizing but I'm under the impression most girls have the same childhood experience I had. I mean it's common, men creeping up on kids is all over the place. I wasn't attractive either, very poor andscrubby. The prettier girls and the girls who look older get it worse. I don't think for a second that I got special treatment from older men, I was the last one they would've picked to get fresh with
I think the majority of kids are approached by creeps period. I didn't have a friend who wasn't.
@@Joe-sg9ll it’s so funny mfs always attribute that to people transitioning without even thinking for a second what other factors could’ve gone into it, have u lived this persons life or something? why do u care so much about other people and what they doin with their own bodies? i bet it must suck to see more and more people finally being who they want in a world where u feel like everyone has to apply to ur goof ass standards😂
I was pleasantly surprised at how empathetic and thoughtful you guys were
Have some empathy for the children Theo wants to castrate.
Thoughtful? 🤣🤣🤣 fat boy was parroting leftist horseshit
Crazy when you watch more then a 2 second sound bite
Stav is the best, finally a mainstream comic who is based and empathetic
@@valdewar8093 it's an act lol
As someone with trans friends who i love dearly I appreciate the charity and empathy you guys showed in talking about this issue.
My two favorite comedians coming together. Dreams do come true.
Lol right. I’d love to hang with them.
Stav? Really? That gay is fat and gay
damn your standards are in the fucking toilet huh
Stav sucks
Stavros is McDonald humor lmao his stand up is mid af
I respect Theo and think he's genuinely sharing his opinion and being open to others, but "people who are unsure will see trans people and want to become trans" is only an issue if you see being trans as a problem
The funniest thing Theo said here was that owning a car dealership is middle class
Here’s the cycle:
-Company makes some kind of marketing campaign that is vaguely socially conscious maybe either out of genuine interest to spread that message and/or to appeal to a certain audience.
-the audience it isn’t marketed to gets outraged and starts making a shitstorm over the Internet and on network outlets
-People on the other side flock to defend said business and/or call out the backlash, and thus the business gains a bunch of attention, notoriety, and thus money.
-Another company sees the fruitful opportunity of using social issues as marketing campaigns and thus the whole cycle starts over.
I feel like this kind of branding and marketing wouldn’t be all that intriguing if these company’s knew there wouldn’t be some kind of polarizing effect. You’re going to lose a certain kind of customer, but you’re also going to gain the respect and loyalty of another customer.
I'm in marketing, and to be honest, this kind of strategy isn't really rational from a marketing perspective. Choosing Dylan as a face of the company isn't congruent or synegistic with the overall brand image. Also, trends show younger people are drinking less and less, so it doesn't make sense to specifically market to them (which is the primary demographic following Dylan) at the cost of alienating your main customers.
Socially progressive marketing can be effective, but this type of brand is so far removed from the demographic that strategy appeals to that it doesn't work. It would be a good strategy for some kind of hipster-y IPA beer, but Bud Light is firmly positioned as a beer for male middle aged manual laborers and the like.
In marketing, one of your main priorities should be customer retention and building long term relationships, as this is where the majority of your sales will come from. Alienating your core base by drastically altering the brand image just for the sake of getting some awareness on Twitter and the news doesn't make sense.
Outrage can be effective in some circumstances to get into the news cycle, but you shouldn't outrage your customer base in ANY circumstance. An example of good outrage marketing would be Grand Theft Auto 5, which got into the news for its outlandish and provocative content, but this worked primarily because it caused ourage for middle-class, religious, surbuban mothers who are not the target audience, and it also helped reinforce the brand as this counter-culture kind of product which appealed to its target demographics.
It's likely this strategy came from a desire to boost their CEI score. It doesn't make sense from any kind of logical marketing standpoint.
tell that to the execs that just oversaw 5 billion devaluation of the company. anheuser-busch has one of the lowest esg scores on record. imagine paying billions of dollars to impress commies.
Yup ive heard it be called queer-baiting, baiting queer customers to buy their products by associating with the group through rainbow flags and shit
@@crossmarian773 but the majority of bud light drinkers are under 30, which tend to be more progressive or left of center. and the majority of people (i e. normal people) don’t give a shit about who’s on the can
@@crossmarian773 I get where you're coming from, but they didn't make Dylan the face of the company. They gave her a single can of beer with her face on it to post as sponsored content to her social media accounts. To be kinda honest, I think Bud Light miscalculated the rage this invoked in conservatives. Imo the response to Bud Light by conservatives is trying to send the companies a message that any support or collaboration with a trans person is grounds for the utmost retaliation.
Just to correct Stavros’ on the period tracking comment 😂 It was actually 2 separate news articles that through the grapevine, merged together into one story.
First, a Florida high school almost made it a rule to answer questions about your menstrual cycle to play on women’s sports teams.
Second, since all this AI scare is happening and the Roe vs. Wade event, women have been telling each other to delete period tracking apps to prevent proof of criminal activity in states where abortion is illegal.
Hope this helps, love you so much Theo! ❤
Are you telling me there wasn’t a “don’t say period bill” ? 😂
@@kimmi8389not sure?
He also said that swimmer “cut his nuts off” to compete with females. Not true, he still has male genitalia and shared locker rooms with biological women, with no warning. Stavros said a lot of shit that he was wrong about.
@@UnknownWarriorZz oh wow! such a misinformed man.
@@UnknownWarriorZz yeah Stavros appears to be a lefty and just doesn’t understand that the general public doesn’t like this shoved down their throats
I wonder what Stone Cold Steve Austin thinks
Fr😂
Them two birds
Best comment
Stone Colds based af
Stone cold drinks coors brother...now give me a he'll yeah!!!!!
The craziest part is finding out that the CEO of Budweiser was a marine, and then became a CIA agent involved in covert ops.
And now promoting a woke brainwashing agenda for money from Blackrock, promoting sex change Op's.
how is that crazy? it’s literally the norm for people in government to be offered well paying corporate jobs after their service. They’re often even promised jobs before their service is over to so that regulations will be made in their favor.
plus if you think the CEO of one of the largest beverage manufacturers in the entire world is paying close attention to a random marketing campaign then i don’t think you know what CEOs do lol
CEOs know what going on. They get briefed. They sign off on campaigns. Chill out
@@tylerdavis849 lmao no they don't. The CEO is leading a global 500 company that owns hundreds of international brands and thousands of products, he's not dilly-dallying on some random ass marketing campaign. he has way more important shit to do
@@WellActualllyyy I’m sure you’d like to think so. They get briefed.
Great dialogue between two people who trust each other enough to have it in the public eye
Stavros looking like the basement dweller from a South Park episode
Congratulations to Dylan Mulvaney on day 0 of being a woman.
congrats to you on day 0 of being a funny man
You look like a Carlos Mencia alt account the way you're stealing other people's jokes.
@@abbie2863 what’s funny is that you can’t even define what a man or a woman is. Also did you just assume my gender?
@@abbie2863 I and many others laughed Albert- I mean, Abbie...
Yikes! Imagine being so scared that trans people exist that it triggers your incel rage this hard.
It's nice to see a good faith discussion. Clearly Theo has hesitation around the subject, but was still respectful and tried to articulate real motivations of fear that people have. Stav pretty much echoed my exact thoughts on most of it, which is cool because I was sure where he would be on that. This is exactly how discourse should occur, good for them. It's a little concerning to me to see Theo gravitate to some of the right lately though. And here's the thing there's nothing wrong with hanging out with people i ideologically disagree with, people are more than politics, but some of these people are abhorrent, like Bar and Peterson. And those people don't deserve a platform imo.
I didn't know what to expect clicking on this but I was kinda pleasantly surprised by the conversation. Stavos has the right answers here for the most part. Florida only passes fear mongering bills.
When i was younger And ignorant we had a roommate whom was gay. Not one of my issues with them had nothing to do with his 'prefrence'....but when he acted like a shitty person.....We had 'Clashes'.
Humanity needs a morality check.
People are Just people....Anywhere you go on this planet.
Thanks to you both for the episode.
Trans people can be shitty too lol no side is without it's faults or people that make everyone else look bad
Can't see what you wrote....must be hiding. All the best. FATE , 'Finds' us all.....AND those we leave behind.
People who can't define their personality from their biology are inherently annoying.
Stavros def swings that way
Was thinking the EXACT same thing
100%
what’s wrong w that
Yeh he openly does... he’s straight and he ain’t scared of trans women unlike urself?
@@lythyboo oh hush
Just let people live their damn lives.
Every single trans person I have ever met has been super fun to be around and nice as hell
That’s why the right wing is so obsessed with trying to stop trans rep in media and these topics being taught in school. They want us to be a faceless mass of hysterical degenerates who hate every value you as the average citizen hold dear. As soon as you hear a really good joke from a trans person or a story about them having car troubles or their fishing trip they had last week you start to see them as people with hobbies and struggles just like you.
That doesn’t mean they aren’t insane 😂.
I’m sure Ted Bundy seemed nice too
@@bryce9083 wtf same applies to you….
@@Puppy_Puppington exactly it could be anyone, but much more likely to be the mentally ill like the gender dysphoric 😂
@@bryce9083 my best friend is trans. I’ve known her for 3 years and she’s a lovely person. Don’t slander trans people as “crazy”: it’s just not true and a very damaging idea to propagate.
The trans swimmer was getting naked in the women's room and still had her male parts. The women said no one told them so it was uncomfortable. I do think this woke movement is hurting gay, trans and even racial issues. People are becoming less open minded and now feel like we are the enemy.
*his
Woke crap hurts everyone imo. I don't care what or who someone wants to be.
But as an adult biological female, I do not want a person with a penis in the bathroom or locker room with me. Get the boy parts taken off first.
It's also very insulting that people are being named women of the year , especially the ones that still have a penis. When women like me have been women all of our lives.
As for children, there should be no sexualized content anywhere. Drag shows, strippers, books and talks about sex, gender, gay, trans, straight, etc. Idk what they can't just be little kuds.
You are the enemy of reality and nature
@@White_Breeder wow so brave
"her male parts"😂😅😂😅 well that is the issue isn't it?
When did beer and politics ever mix well anyway 😂
In Germany it's working out pretty well though...
Jimmy Carter's brother
Only the bigots are making it political
@@sarahhughes4437 oh whatever.
I think the overall point of the conservation is that this shouldn't be a political issue. There are trans people on both sides of the aisle.
13:48 Theo's setup is so smooth watch the joke sink in as Stavs laugh grows in intensity.
This is the first time I've listened to stavros outside of his standup, super smart and I like his views and his crowd work is refreshing. This guy is going to be at the top. Lessss go
Buckle up then! He just seems like good people.
Theo is such a handsome looking guy. I wonder if he knows that
Dude what?
I agree.
Majority of trans is still attracted to the opposite sex. So if a man transitions to a woman they are still attracted to women. It’s very complicated. I have experience with several being a makeup artist in the 90s. Even drag queens are entirely different. Most identify as gay who perform in drag theatre. My experiences with individual men who sought me to help them transition-revealed to me how much of a fetish it was to them. Ex: sexual gratification from wearing lingerie to then complete transition to women in public. And these examples are just a few on the dozens I could mention. I think parents have a right to be concerned and trans conversations do not belong in schools. Let kids be kids and not burden them with this.
I think he does
He thinks he is an 8. But since his burnout last month he is approaching 6 real fast. He needs sleep, a peeling, some glutathione and less calories.
Honestly, Would you let Stavros watch your kids? lol
Why not? Better than a transphobic religious zelot watching them🤷♀️.
Close up or with binoculars?
If I knew him for years, yeah sure. Why not? He's self-secure.
He offered candy to my kids the other day, I heard them yelling “stranger danger” I looked and I seen starvos speeding away in a white van
Hell no.
Damn homie has never actually heard someone out with a different opinion
Yeah, it's a big wide world outside of the narrow-minded gaze of the Rogan podcast narrative. That thing is an echo chamber. Good on Stav for entering this circle of podcasters and holding onto his own opinions. Many won't.
@@shauncowell6215 Bwahahahahaaaaa.
@@shauncowell6215 um.. what??
@@shauncowell6215 this comment section is a shithole man fr, im suprised at the lack of historical awareness from people here at all. do people not see the "facist" undertones of anti-trans messaging?
This is the most responsible conversation on the topic I've ever heard
The whole Bud Light thing is weird because it was just a one and done ad that if it hadn't been blown out of proportion, only that trans influencers followers would have seen it 😅, it was in her instagram I think, so who would see it? I sure wouldn't have.
yeah people were incredibly reactionary about it
Bud light deserves the boycott tf y'all talking about?
@@adammockler Many people say this like their somehow any different.
I'd say blowing stuff out of proportion is a regular part of modern advertising, aka attempting to go viral (wasn't a coincidence)
someone tell Stav that you don't have to cut it off😂
I was going to say... Stav, Lia still has a penis. Ask the rest of the swim team how they know.
too late now
*transphobes seething in the comments*
No one is scared of trans people
There are no such things as transphobes.
such a sensible conversation tbh this is how these issues should be discussed
The big guy tries to come across like he doesn't really care, but talks like an activist haha
Maybe it says a little more about your side that people behaving normally are considered activists lmao
Asking to be left alone isn't asking for much.
@@goldie481 sure , being friends with Hassan abi tells you all you need to know about Stavros alt left socialist opinions , good one though
@Tobias Saibot the fact you confuse drag and transgenders says all we need to know about your knowledge on this issue lmfao
But to answer your question nonetheless, let me ask you another first.
Do you think we should make it illegal for children to go to church?
@@goldie481the fact that you think trans and drags aren’t two sides of the same coin tells everyone all they need to know
@@MNZGamin they're not. Some trans women and men participate in drag. That doesn't equate them at all. Drag queens are mostly gay men. Do you also claim that homosexuality and drag are two sides of the same coin?
Theo said Kid Rock grew up middle class his family owned car dealerships. If you're dad owns car dealerships, you're not middle class lol
The fuck? That ain’t working class dude
The dude that looks like a pedo stereotype making fun of pedos is the best joke.
correct
Hahahaha!! I was thinking the same thing!
I can't believe how almost nobody is pointing out how creepy this dude looks. And a hardcore leftist. What a surprise
It's weird seeing Stav being so well-spoken and not just cracking up laughing at calling someone gay.
Hey Stravos. Trans have always existed but at the rate it happens now is very concerning and several people are de transitioning with regret.
There is also zero evidence to show that they've always existed and that this isn't just a recent cultural phenomena, similar to teenage girls cutting thing.
@@HappyG1lm0re trans people have always existed what are you talking about
@@veryfinan5187 show me the carfax bub
@@FloridaGoth you can literally find examples of transgender throughout every culture in any time period. can you point me towards a specific time period/civilization where you think they did not exist?
Several people? 8% detransition and 60% percent of detransitioners retransition. Most detransitioners do it because of how society treats them
WTF! Ron Jeremy out on bail. 😂
I can see Stavro transitioning
Every psychological topic that comes up, Theo is "well I know I struggle/d with that too" 😂
I like the trans woman who broke all the female powerlifting records after being a woman for half an hour
"she" was so brave
Tell me her name
I feel like the bit about having no girls not being attracted to you resulting in you thinking there's no chemistry with women so your only option of finding love is with guys is so spot on for me. Like I had bulimia in my teen years and had such low self esteem I went crazy and hallucinated girls thinking that I was cute then ugly for like 7 years straight. No joke every class period at school for 7 years was "acceptance," "rejection" over and over again. Before my eating disorder I knew I thought girls were pretty. This was even after when I was sexually assaulted as a kid. Like to this day I thought I was gay and maybe I am but maybe I'm bi.
I feel like you’re speaking to me. I’ve lived my life as a gay guy and now I’m like… maybe I’m not as gay as I thought. I always thought of myself as obese and disgusting and just assumed that a woman would ever want to be with me sexually. My sexual experiences with men have been meh and in my last relationship I almost never wanted to have sex while my boyfriend wanted to have sex like twice a day; it put a bit of a strain on our relationship. I had to evaluate why I have always felt my relationships have felt “off” in some way and then I was like… maybe it’s because I am not as attracted to men as I thought I was and maybe it’s because I am thinking about women a lot.
@@DanEMO592 Given the natural world's need for "Man plus woman" I'm inclined to think "straight" is everyone's default and it is our environment that determines attraction. Sexuality is CRAZY complex. The "born that way" narrative seems less science-based and more like it was born out of desperation by the gay community as a reaction to the hate that gay people receive. (It's harder to hate someone for something out of their control.)
Not only did kid rock give them free publicity, the bar he owns only servers Anheuser Busch as domestic choices. Really showin them. Ball wit da ball
He also mentioned in a song (when he was over 30yo) how much he loves underaged girls and says statutory is mandatory. Pretty much an open admission to being a groomer. 😬
@@peepeepoopoo2749 lol go look at their stock rn
@@bishopmoore1266aged badly
As someone who spent years as a homeless drug addict, it’s crazy how good we have it in America yet how often I hear Americans talking about how bad things are here in America.
Everyone in the U.S. now has access to things that kings and queens couldn't have dreamed of in the dark ages. But we shouldn't compare our condition to medieval times or the 1800s... Rural white Americans and urban Americans of color have a standard of living significantly below that of any demographic in western Europe or Japan or even fkn Cuba in some cases. That's the comparison we should be making
Like, everyone has a smart phone because they're relatively inexpensive (see: slave labor in cobalt mines) but having a smart phone doesn't do you much good when you can't pay your medical bills and your house is forclosed on
The swimmer didn’t cut anything if that’s the whole point, people don’t have to cut anything of or even dress a certain way and can just claim they are whatever
Surgery is one of the last parts in transitioning you donkey
Shhh to many idiots refuse to admit this, they have no personality so they become a trendy gender bender and it’s garbage
Used to tell the roommate....when you feeling down because someone took a 'swing at your prefrence'...remember When you are COMFORTABLE within your own skin nobody can hurt you.
Its WHY honesty is So important.
Sorry for my 8 cents.
I think stav didn't realize him and theo have the opposite take on this topic lol
Probably because Stravos is a retard.
He does.
It's just that normal people can conduct themselves in a situation like this and keep the conversation civil.
He does. That was the point of the conversation. To open ppl minds. Be empathetic and open minded
Theo isn’t anti trans, they don’t have opposite view points at all.
Most youngsters will feel uncomfortable in their body, this generation has been manipulated, especially those that were marginalised at school.
Thing is tho Lea Thomas or whatever was a fully intact male for competition just on hormone blockers. The women that had to change in the locker room with him were the ones that said so.
It really is just a very small percentage of people that are trans. I personally know only one and have never met another one. But I also have never encountered one of those crazies who think that being trans is a cool trend.
This idiot just threw out random percentages. 1% of people are not trans.
Hell,1% of americans arent even trans.
yes, its a very small percentage and yet theyre winning all of the awards, becoming sponsors of all the companies and were waiving the trans flag above our nations capitol. the people who think being trans is a cool trend is the younger generation, up to 20% of them.
Nearly one in five people who identify as transgender are ages 13-17.
The percentage and number of adults who identify as transgender in the U.S. has remained steady over time.
Our estimate of the number of youth who identify as transgender has doubled from our previous estimate.
@@DoTheHuman My nephew says its a fashion statement and half the kids in his class will say they are trans or gay just so they look "cool" and then they are rewarded by the staff for being a brave robot.
No offense to Stavvy here, but he has the mentality of a junior high student. Always talking about sex and food and engaging in all manner of debauchery. Not exactly the intelligent take I'd want for this topic haha
I lova that Stav is slowly sliding in some class-consciousness
ironic because under neo-liberalism tr*nnies are the single most counter-revolutionary category of people. Literally would not exist under any other system, therefore they have to perpetuate it.
Stavros is a literal communist and has been for years. He’s not slipping into class consciousness, he’s just been hiding his power level
He's been like that
Yeah, he’s going wherever the wind takes him. Although, it’s quite convenient that his opinions are the same opinions held by everyone else in the entertainment industry.
@@piss_blood3191 lol what? you're gonna have to explain that one, chief
This talk help me view some points I haven’t thought about before! Great podcast!
Look at stavros. Point made. Lmfao
Stavros seems like the kinda guy who could rock a good face tattoo
Seems like the kinda guy I wouldn’t trust around my kids.
To greasy
@@ronstephens9620 v fat
@@NittyGritty420 but what if the kid consents, I mean come on relax man who cares?
because why not? He couldn't be any worse looking lol
As an Asian I’m doing a disservice to my country every time I watch Theo
This is literally the last two people I would EVER expect to have a serious, sincere conversation about transgender people
idk he says no one would ever mutliate themselves to win something, but i look at all the plastic surgery instagram girls get and i have serious doubts.
@@nullakjg767 his take on that is completely ignorant. thats not the point of the other argument.
How many mentally ill parents will try and convince their child that they're different? How did we reach this point as a society? We are all basically being forced to agree that it's okay but it isn't
How did we reach this point of a society that people can be so delusional that they genuinely believe parents are turning their children transgender LMFAO
Theo just quietly mimicking all the conservative talking points, about these issues being "shoved down our throats" and stavvy having a point to come back to every time was impressive.
Riiiiiggggghhhhhhhttttttt
I understand the outrage about aunt jumyma just like I don't understand it against bud light. Don't like it don't buy it case closed. Both sides have lost their minds everyone is perpetually grievanced. Being offended is the new hip thing. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Case closed.
Not that I have anything against rainbows but when I first heard about it I was sorta on everyone's side like I don't mind it but it ain't gonna be cool to walk around the bar with rainbow trying to get chicks. But then I read they aren't changing the cans it was just one special can that they made for one person. And it's hysterical that people would even care about that lol. Flakes of snow everywhere
What I got from this is, if theo had been born in a different time he would have been transsexual instead of in a cult... for a little while
Interesting move having Ron Jeremy there, very insightful
"About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth" That's a freaking shockingly huge percentage if you ask me.
Yes, considering 1% of the US equals over 3 million people, that’s an enormous number
5% is over 16 million
are you advocating for the number to be lower? the percentage of left handed people went up when cultural opinion shifted, then it leveled out. most likely this will peak and level out
@@sheridan7475 there’s not 330 million young adults in USA so it’s not 16 million
@@sheridan7475 it’s more like 3 million
I’ve never seen a physically healthy person with these perspectives
Ok sportsfan
Man as a trans dude i really appreciate this video. Thank you theo, its nice seeing a comic whos just a normal dude with no political agenda whos accepting of the trans community or at least tolerant of it. And honestly i appreciate the point u made about trans ppl being over represented in the media, because when i compare how things are today to when i transitioned like 13 years ago, i swear things are worse now because the media has already given ppl and opinion of me and ppl like me before they even met me. So i wish they werent trying to cram trans stuff down everyones throats and just let us live like normal ppl. So thank you for mentioning that. You kick ass
I think this is something that could fit here, but my counter argument is "pandering vs reprisentation". As a trans woman, I love it when I see a good story with a well written trans character that is authentic. I do not like to see "filler episode with guest character you'll never see again who is trans so we can fake caring and give half woke statements about loving yourself with no consequences to anything aren't we great".
People judged trans people before they had as much time in the spotlight. And that judgement was rarely pne of peace, love, acceptance or tolerance even. Representation, good representation, does wonders. Capitalising on a group of people you don't understand so you can say a lot of things while saying nothing, does not help.
The whole "shoving down throats" thing is bullshit and was enough for me to suspect you are lying, but I'd rather treat a liar sincerely than an honest man as a fool. Isn't the lack of trans people in media forcing cis shit down our throats? Everything is political until it's accepted and normal. This argument rings empty.
Men can’t be women. And women can’t be men. Go to therapy.
@@bryce9083wow you really gottem with this one bryce
@@skyistaken1605 idk, from my perspective i see weird little things that seem like the representation is forceful in ways it doesent need to be. Like my little sister in law was playing the hogwarts legacy game and sironas character is trans right, and like i dont care i thought it was cute. But LITERALLY, as shes playing it i stg all the npc’s were like “have u talked to sirona? Sirona is so cool. Sirona is so funny” like jesus christ lol. I mean it just feels so fake. They commodify us, its almost always a marketing ploy. I can imagine as someone whos cis and is on the fence on trans issues, even little shit like that would just be so annoying. Or having caitlin jenner as a trans icon 😬 hopefully i dont have to explain that one lol. But like im not against trans representation lol. I just dont think representation is equal to liberation if that makes sense. All that capitalism has to offer trans people for “equality” is representation. It does very little to actually benefit my life. Like I said in my first comment, i feel like life was easier for me as a trans person when there was less media attention in general because people got a chance to know me before having an opinion on trans issues already. Hope that helped clarify.
@@savannah6508 not really 🤡. It’s basic science taught to 6th graders well at least it used to be taught, now students don’t know what to think.
Again. Get help.
Stav is incredibly insightful and intelligent
If you want to be trans, live your best life. I’m not fan for trans in sports but I love these two have a heavy conversation.
Why?
Yeah, can you elaborate why? Genuinely, just being trans doesn’t give you some magic advantage to be good at sports. Everyone is built differently, some people are going to have an advantage just based on their body type alone. I.e. taller people are probably gonna be a little faster in running sports, so should that not be allowed either?
@@alttabsStarting off a biological male gives you a huge advantage in most sports over biological females.
There are absolutely zero trans males running over biological males because starting off as a female does not endow benefits.
It’s not rocket science. It’s obviously not ok for a trans woman to compete against biological females unless those females agree to do so.
If the biological females want a crack at them then there’s no victim. Otherwise there’s an obvious victim.
@@evanquinn3691
Ok, but there are women born with abnormal testosterone and bone size/density. Should we put them in the male category? Plus, the “male” swimmer in question DIDN’T BREAK ANY RECORDS OR EVEN WIN, so what’s up with that?
@@alttabs Have you not been paying attention to all the trans women who have destroyed biological females in sports?
as a trans person this conversation was a little clumsy but I'm glad to see theo of all people essentially say trans rights.
Seek therapy
In the words of the great Michael Jordan. "Stop it, get some help."
I'm trans. Most of us are just trying to chill. I just wanna smoke, trip, and play videogames, like anybody else.
@1234 abcd for a moment, try to imagine what it would be like if being ur biological sex was a mental chore everyday. ur hormones out of line, anxiety & feeling uncomfortable. it’s literally just about having empathy towards another human. then it’s easy to not care about what others do as long as they’re not harming anyone
You are what you were born as
@@yaego The issue is everyone’s anxious and uncomfortable. That’s no reason to mutilate your genitalia. I think our culture has made people so depressed that they aren’t happy with themselves. Instead of actually fixing the root of the problem, society has convinced people something is wrong with them. But at the core it’s systemic, economic even.
Food has become to easy for some humans to acquire nowadays....
@@dkatomski as a trans person, I'd like to weigh in. You wouldn't understand what it feels like BECAUSE you are not transgender. There are so many things to be depressed about in society like you said, most I would agree are systemic and economic. Being trans is an additional level of anxiety that you feel as a result of feeling a mismatch in your birth gender. For me and many other people, we run away from this fact about ourselves for a long time. We may recognize these feelings to some degree, but addressing those specific feelings would mean ALOT of work and explaining to people constantly where you're coming from. I tried therapy, I tried getting in shape, I had a successful cisgender and heterosexual relationship; however, none of these things addressed this fundamental part of myself that I tried so hard to push down - and trust me I tried so hard lol. When I started coming out and living authentically, the other stressors and anxieties you talked about didn't go away. But being able to be who I am, and finally able to see someone in the mirror that reflects what I feel inside, makes the sum total of everything so much more bearable. I can only say that for me, starting hormones was like taking my first full breath of a air for the first time in my life. Also you shouldn't call it mutalating your genitals, unless you also refer to any surgery as mutilating your body.
trans rights are human rights
Fuck that
@@milesharris1893 womp womp
not for long
@@Playmaker_Baker true
brave of theo to interview a FtM given recent events
Stavros giving me vibes of a man that justifies getting pegged by trans
Stavi looks like a guy that thinks transvestites should be alone in a room with little kids. Not suprised
🤡 W O W 🤡
U don’t sound demented at all..... wot u look like Stavy?
that something u think about a lot buddy........
Pure nouncy projection.
i’m sure you don’t have a problem with priests and preachers being left alone with kids even though the stats are way higher for them. you dont hate trans people because they’re groomers you hate them because you’re small mined and dumb
DeSantis = Bronze Star
Stavros = Bald