After testing this extensively, if you don't have hydro, you can't wait until you see the torps to DCP the ping (like you do against other subs), because the torps are so stealthy and the homing is so aggressive, by the time you see them it's already too late. That 21:30 cross-torp ambush really says it all, DCPing the ping after seeing the torps wouldn't have saved me, as the ambush was already setup. The torps also do this crazy turning around to chase you, as shown here: clips.twitch.tv/LongScrumptiousAardvarkKeyboardCat-iK6TCowlT0-Cx8N3
And now you know why I got banned from their FORUMS and quit playing. I was literally asking how I was expected to fight a submarine who knew what he was doing and the moderators jumped in and basically said, "Git gud scrub!" Then they banned me from asking any further questions. You MUST turn in and try to shorten the distance as that is the only possible way to shake the torps. Trying to run from them just lets him send salvo after salvo up your wake that you cannot dodge. The torps are just too fast and maneuverable to run from. And using DCP before you are flooding is suicide because you are going to flood out if you do. If you team does not focus the sub down before he sinks you then you're toast. If the sub doesn't get you then you'll end up spotted and broadside to the enemy while dodging and they'll get you.
Clearly you didn`t try the following simple manouver(s) to deal with submarines in WoWS. a) press ALT+F4 b) optional - check your antivirus system and block the wargaming client in it, if it has that function c) uninstall WoWS Client But jokes aside - it hurts how they ruined the game. And then seemingly went ... how can we ruin it even harder/more
"We gave it slow torps so you could watch and ponder over your death while wondering why you play our game. Now please give us a hundred dollars for the experience!" 😁
Where is THAT advertised? Homing torps are HARDLY slow quite the opposite in fact. Just like with US dreadnaughts people complain how slow they are but fail to mention how easily they can turn. Thus is the law of hydrodynamics and/or laws of physics.
@@jaywerner8415 I have Alliance and the homing torps do 44 knots with speed boosts. Most ships can just outrun them, especially if 7km or more away (they're slower than Blacks torps). They only work well against targets close to you or pushing into you. The unguided torps (7km) are better in my experience and do a lot more damage. It's still powerful boat.
@@Joshua-fi4ji 44 knots? Wow that is slow. No wonder they can turn so well, speaking from XP from the US and German subs their torps go twice that speed. Whats the range of the homing torps out of curiosity? Probably about 10-12kms i take it? Damage is the whole point of the unguided torps. Frankly i wish the torpedo speeds of tech line Subs where SWAPED, cus besides damage the "ALT" torps are worse in every way (on paper). Cus oh my god a torpedo that goes less then 70 knots is just PAINFUL to watch.
It always seemed like ST torpedoes were point and shoot, i dont think they home. Except that one in The Undiscovered Country that was specifically modified to seek the Bird of Preys exhaust.
Honestly this is pretty much late cold War tier homing, a torpedo being avoided, circling around and still hitting the ship is the sort of thing you'd except from the ADCAP, not WW2
@@firesb7791 real life torpedoes can't intercept, they can only track (home) - This is technology that does not exist in 2023, not in torpedoes anyway.
@@glennv3176 Actually, I believe some of the modern NATO torpedoes post-ADCAP do have the capability to predict trajectory and target accordingly, apparently the capabilities of British submarines especially are pretty insane
Its totally true! I was so stoked with where the game is headed that i stopped playing. Now I'm super sad. (I also dont understand the difference between my emotions)
Played back in 12.0 wanted to play with new ita cruiser buffs and take out Gorizia and Kronstadt, after seeing this game can stay unupdated. 20k battles they destroyed my most relaxing game. Im sad too ngl 😢
Couple of my friends were CSTs and gave up after some time. Entire CST server provided feedback and ways to improve for ijn cl and performance of subs. You wanna know what wg did? threw it into papershredder and REMOVED ,,FEEDBACK" SECTION FROM CST DC entirely. Now the only feedback, people can provide is ,,do you like the *insert new test ship name* ? 1)yes 2) No
@@i_nameless_i-jgsdf Wait what, that's why I think I'm having a poor time in them? I haven't played in years (stopped shortly after the carrier rework), but my father still plays and wanted to play with me, so I jumped through every hoop imaginable to install this thing on my linux computer (a freaking nightmare), then took a look at what I could do in the game while I play with my pops, and saw shiny new IJN CLs. And now you're telling me they've been nerfed into the ground before I even got a chance to play them?!
@@antraxxslingshots They get it by people wanting to buy the overpowered shit. Once any purchase is made by a player, WG stops caring about what they do. They've already got the money.
A former clan-mate sent me the link to this video. I see, stop playing was a good decision. Last year I walked away from a 400-ship port, a year worth of premium time and abandoned the forums. Looking back I ca only shake my head to what WG has done to this game. And thank you Flamu, I learned a lot from you back when the game was fun.
Would be great, think about selling my Account...started playing since the release...but now it is too much for me. Thank the lord I stopped spending money more than a year ago when Subs became a topic. This game and its "development" is a joke. Happy fantasy game. All the best WG. Once I am done I will never ever touch one of your F2P games again. waste of money
Well, technically torpedoes like that did exist. Although they didn't come around until the 1960's. No destroyer in the world can dodge a Mk48 torpedo for very long. There were homing torpedoes in WW2 as well, that homed in on the sound of a ship's engine and propellers.
About a month ago I finally got tilted enough to delete my WG account that I registered in 2015 due to CVs, subs, and forced 2-tier-difference matchmakings (rendering T9 ships unplayable). At first I had regrets, but thanks to your videos those feelings are quickly fading. 15K battles played, 700 EUR spent, 59.8% solo wr reached (too bad, i really wanted that 60, oh well). Rest in Hell.
I knew from the beginning of submarines that those "one turn" homing tops would end up being ADCAPs, only I thought it would be a Soviet sub to get them first
I love how the hardest thing to counter a sub in is a dd's depth charges. Like in my Halland it shoots them out of the front so if I stupidly run over the MF I have no counter I have to completely turn around. I also love that the most dangerous thing for a sub in real life was a dd but in this game dds get hunted by subs.
The only thing I can think is wargaming isn’t making enough keeping the game going but they can’t just shut it down because of the backlash they’d get from those who have already sunk so much time and money into it. Instead they are making the game so unplayable that people will voluntarily quit until they can say they have to shut it down due to an insufficient player base.
I think they are still making a profit but the curve is flattened and they lost a ton of money divesting themselves from Russia. Although they might have skipped out on some loans if the Russian mafia couldn't find them. No their problem is people like me. I'm not buying premium time nor playing the game. And I'm not the only one. They need lots of people paying for premium time to keep the game going. They thought Submarines would be a huge source of revenue but that's not likely to be the case. For everyone who might buy a Premium Sub, when available, an other group of players, like me, will stop playing altogether. In the end I suspect Subs to be a net loss and given the shaky ground WG is standing upon then in two or three more quarters they might be in serious trouble if not bankrupt.
Well I think it fits perfectly, since in 2023 WG/Lesta still thinks that people have to 1) suffer from some type of ship/mechanic, to 2) go and buy the same ship/mechanic to inflict suffering to others. Apparently just having fun and supporting the devs for making a good game to have fun in, is not an option. Apparently WG/Lesta know better, especially given the fact that online on falling for the past 5 years.
Based on testing results and community feedback, we have found the Just Dodge mechanic to be a blatant exploit at avoiding homing torpedoes, hindering submarine gameplay. Therefore: We have decided to sell a solution to this problem for all of our lovely sub players. Happy Hunting Captains! Love, Wargaming
I haven't even thought about wows for months till flamu suddenly showed up in my YT recommended. I'm surprised you guys still play. Once you break the habit of logging in, eventually all the frustration and itch to play go away. Then you forget about the game entirely.
"The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't." It's longer than that, but you get the idea... Now you can get crosstorped by the SAME submarine!
Just to put a number on it, the minimum homing range for Alliance on Destroyers is 110m for a single ping and 70m for a double ping, on Cruisers it's 650m and 330m and for Battleships it's 900m and 750m. So add that to their extreme manoeuvrability and low reload and you get a full on WG moment.
during ww2 attack a destroyer in a submarine was considered suicidal, in the thinking men’s action game a submarine can surface 500 mt in the port side of a yamato and eat a broadside without give a fuck
2:445:5521:35 These are certified Cold Waters moments. If this is a T8 British, imagine if WeeGee develops a Russian tree ending in a T11 Oscar-class with this homing BS.
I ran into an Alliance in the Hipper yesterday. Spotted him on the surface. Saw a wave of tops and managed to damage control the first ping, still ate a couple tops. What I didn't know was that he had launched those a while ago. Second ping came in along with another wave of torps. I couldn't do anything. It was more than enough to kill me. 30 second reload vs a minute plus for damage control. People complained about German sub torp spam but the U-190 has a 58 second reload, nearly double.
I imagine the weegee discussion went something like this. Weegee: Ok bois, we need new ships in the game......Go. Underling: Submarines sir? Weegee: I love it. Now, really blow my mind. How do they work? Underling: Homing torps sir? Weegee: Give that man a raise.
I picture, one of these days, at WG-HQ, there’ll be that moment like from the one Terminator movie… where a VP reports to CEO Kislyi about cratered Player Numbers… CEO looks up…stares straight ahead, and says… “We have destroyed OURSELVES..!!?” 😂
That's ridiculous. Why do the Brits have such incredible torps? You know the Sub that sank the Belgrano in the Falkland War did it with non homing torps because even then the homing mechanism on the torps was faulty. And while no one else will likely care the Alliance is going to have it all over other subs as well.
At this point they might as well give them wire-guided Mk48 adcaps. I mean, the pincer trickshot at the end is the kind of sht I do in Cold Waters with my Seawolf 🤣
The torpedo knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the torpedo from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the torpedo is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the torpedo must also know where it was. The acoustic homing scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the torpedo has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
The none guided torp are terrifying when you consider how fast you can reload those things , anything tier 8 get smashed and not in the way of one shot but they are basically done for at that point and the irony is the biggest threat are actually BB's ASW (high damage), because if DD try to use their ASW , just shotgun them .
@@AdamtheRed- Alliance specifically has improved homing which is around half the normal distance or better. With DDs 1 ping wont stop homing until 220m (normally 440m), with 2 pings it wont stop homing until 70m (normally 220m).
I'm curious if the torps would follow you around an island? Would love to see a game where you're commanding the sub against an entire team. Seems the sub might win! ;) That would show how OP it is.
I was already playing less and less over the past 6 months but I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me with this game. I loved this game but they are just killing all my will to play this game.
Idk what you guys are complaining about it. I always had trouble landing torpedoes , and now wargaming is offering me the chance to be a super unicum, I just need to pay the totally reasonable price of 47K doubloons.
Do you remember most of Ww2 sub torps were 25-45knots, unguided, min arming distance few hundred m, getting usual few degree spread, many of them just dud, lost speed, course or depth, not activated due to steep angle hit. This is arcade game, but only for newest released boats, usually for doublons. I played T6 subs and I don't think they OP If you send those unguided torps, most of them miss, once you ping ships, you get focused by ASW. Best chance to react on match progress you have surfaced to run fast, CVs and other stuff incl enemy sub sonar threat you, when CV air crafts come close, you have to guess your moment to dive avoid being spotted. I would say at least Cachalot and U69 are decently balanced, I had no super match, either ended up with few pings and torps landed for 15K total dmg, or killed 2ships at best. Quite average results I would get with other ships too. But I found few player accounts, who simply sck in normal ships with 40WR, but excelled in both CVs and subs have there +15 to +20 higher WR, getting their average simply above 50 (I have no better results in CVs and subs too vs BB/DD/Cruisers). Maybe those guys just played those ships during "happy times" early release and few patches until balancing update. But this homing feature is still ridiculous. You simply can't hunt down subs on early spot/attempt. It has potential to be exploited.
What this video ignores entirely, is the fact that even Alliance can't ping like no tomorrow in a real battle. IF BBs use their ASW at least a little smart, they will bring down Alliance relatively quickly, due to its HP pool. Its a submarine in the end. It also "only" has 6km sub-surveillance. So other submarines can be of danger for it as well, even when they are submerged as well. However, in competitive game modes, subs are going to be insanely strong. Just like with CVs, we have the same rule in effect and that is, "The less surface ships are available, the more effective this ship classes become". Also, it doesn't neglect the fact that this class even further promotes static game play, were everything bigger than a small destroyer, is hardly going to leave spawn, simply as everyone pushing will get focused down incredibly quickly, by all the domains in the game (Air, surface, submerged). Why WG wants to push its game into this direction is beyond me. Let's see whether the upcoming ASW changes (alt-fire-mode) introduce some sort of relieve.
So basically you have to stay out of torp range of this new sub or there is no way to avoid the torpedoes, but if you go out of torp range you have to go to open water spawn where you get farmed by battleships shooting plane spotted targets or you hide behind islands and get farmed by CVs. WG must be competing to see what the most absurd thing is that they can add to the game without it crashing and burning overnight
These homing torps are disgusting. How did Wargaming ever thought that these torps were a great addition to the game is a complete mystery to me. I dont think i should be playing the game anymore knowing that the enemy team may have one or even more than 1 Alliance.
So, someone complained about subs, and this other guy posted this absolutely amazing defense for subs: "...the way you counter it is full stop reverse turn. its easy, take the one torp coming from the left if you must , but 80% of the torps subs fire are easy to dodge. stick next to sonar users and you wont die, when a single ability counters an entire ship line no matter the ship they become very weak, especially when 90% of ships have that counter. you will always have 2-3 in your match." Like...does this sound like someone who plays WoWS for more than a few minutes?
I think it wouldnt be so bad if they were closer to glass cannons. It would force the sub player to be very selective about who they choose to attack. Where to decide to set up attacks. The class is so strong, so a good route would be the glass cannon approach. If you get caught once. You're dead.
Wasn’t the whole idea of the cv rework to eliminate one player being able to create cross torping. Now they make a submarine that can do it. There are no words. WTF
WG very optimistic that when I play Gouden I always have Hydro and DCP ready, already expecting the torps, and even then getting rekked because 60 second DCP reload time. Against CVs, you can see them from far away and turn in to mitigate damage. DD torps I can guesstimate their direction and juke their prediction. Subs: homing, even with hydro can barely dodge if I know where they're coming from, also need to dcp to avoid torps damage, if I dpc and still eat a torp, I get a full duration flooding. And on close range they can just pop up and shotgun if you aren't either full HP or a maneuverable DD...
So they're all about history. It was a game about surface ships, then they decided the fun was over and they introduce CVs and subs, the very things that made surface ships obsolete and just ruuuuuub that in our faces.
After testing this extensively, if you don't have hydro, you can't wait until you see the torps to DCP the ping (like you do against other subs), because the torps are so stealthy and the homing is so aggressive, by the time you see them it's already too late. That 21:30 cross-torp ambush really says it all, DCPing the ping after seeing the torps wouldn't have saved me, as the ambush was already setup. The torps also do this crazy turning around to chase you, as shown here: clips.twitch.tv/LongScrumptiousAardvarkKeyboardCat-iK6TCowlT0-Cx8N3
It's clearly a skill issue
Not sure what the problem is. Just submerge or take off. You clearly need to find a better way to interact with submarines. Clearly.
And now you know why I got banned from their FORUMS and quit playing. I was literally asking how I was expected to fight a submarine who knew what he was doing and the moderators jumped in and basically said, "Git gud scrub!" Then they banned me from asking any further questions.
You MUST turn in and try to shorten the distance as that is the only possible way to shake the torps. Trying to run from them just lets him send salvo after salvo up your wake that you cannot dodge. The torps are just too fast and maneuverable to run from. And using DCP before you are flooding is suicide because you are going to flood out if you do. If you team does not focus the sub down before he sinks you then you're toast. If the sub doesn't get you then you'll end up spotted and broadside to the enemy while dodging and they'll get you.
Clearly you didn`t try the following simple manouver(s) to deal with submarines in WoWS.
a) press ALT+F4
b) optional - check your antivirus system and block the wargaming client in it, if it has that function
c) uninstall WoWS Client
But jokes aside - it hurts how they ruined the game. And then seemingly went ... how can we ruin it even harder/more
But Kitakami is too much apparently lmao
I like how the slow homing torps are advertised as a weakness, while in reality it just makes their turning circle tighter...
It's like an aircraft doing a 9g turn at 600 knots vs 400 knots. The turning circle is tighter.
"We gave it slow torps so you could watch and ponder over your death while wondering why you play our game. Now please give us a hundred dollars for the experience!" 😁
Where is THAT advertised? Homing torps are HARDLY slow quite the opposite in fact. Just like with US dreadnaughts people complain how slow they are but fail to mention how easily they can turn. Thus is the law of hydrodynamics and/or laws of physics.
@@jaywerner8415 I have Alliance and the homing torps do 44 knots with speed boosts. Most ships can just outrun them, especially if 7km or more away (they're slower than Blacks torps). They only work well against targets close to you or pushing into you.
The unguided torps (7km) are better in my experience and do a lot more damage.
It's still powerful boat.
@@Joshua-fi4ji 44 knots? Wow that is slow. No wonder they can turn so well, speaking from XP from the US and German subs their torps go twice that speed. Whats the range of the homing torps out of curiosity? Probably about 10-12kms i take it?
Damage is the whole point of the unguided torps. Frankly i wish the torpedo speeds of tech line Subs where SWAPED, cus besides damage the "ALT" torps are worse in every way (on paper). Cus oh my god a torpedo that goes less then 70 knots is just PAINFUL to watch.
It feels like you are trying to fight a gen-4 fighter with homing missiles while driving a grossery cart. So much fun.
Me shopping for torps in my Grossery Kartfurst.
@@Sky_Guy lmfao nice one
He’s right, this sub is very gross
@@Sky_Guy I'm actually dead from this 😂
@@Sky_Guywhat a joke
Even torpedoes in Star Trek being hundreds of years in the future dont have that kind of homing capability. WW2 tech truly was state of the art!
It always seemed like ST torpedoes were point and shoot, i dont think they home. Except that one in The Undiscovered Country that was specifically modified to seek the Bird of Preys exhaust.
Honestly this is pretty much late cold War tier homing, a torpedo being avoided, circling around and still hitting the ship is the sort of thing you'd except from the ADCAP, not WW2
@@AdamtheRed- Torps in star trek do home in, I believe there's a few other episodes that mention them being guided.
@@firesb7791 real life torpedoes can't intercept, they can only track (home) - This is technology that does not exist in 2023, not in torpedoes anyway.
@@glennv3176 Actually, I believe some of the modern NATO torpedoes post-ADCAP do have the capability to predict trajectory and target accordingly, apparently the capabilities of British submarines especially are pretty insane
EXACTLY what we all wanted. Active player numbers are prooving it too. Everyone is happy.
Its totally true! I was so stoked with where the game is headed that i stopped playing. Now I'm super sad. (I also dont understand the difference between my emotions)
Played back in 12.0 wanted to play with new ita cruiser buffs and take out Gorizia and Kronstadt, after seeing this game can stay unupdated. 20k battles they destroyed my most relaxing game. Im sad too ngl 😢
The torpedo knows where it is at all times
It knows where it is because it knows where it isn't.
And this is on the LIVE Server... Who is testing this and thinks this is fine.
They've fired the testing staff and used that money to buy back shares in their stock.
The same idiots who thought IJN CLs were overpowered so they got it nerfed countless time before they hit live server...
The 16 year olds they hired from the last dev video we saw.
Couple of my friends were CSTs and gave up after some time. Entire CST server provided feedback and ways to improve for ijn cl and performance of subs. You wanna know what wg did? threw it into papershredder and REMOVED ,,FEEDBACK" SECTION FROM CST DC entirely. Now the only feedback, people can provide is ,,do you like the *insert new test ship name* ? 1)yes 2) No
@@i_nameless_i-jgsdf Wait what, that's why I think I'm having a poor time in them? I haven't played in years (stopped shortly after the carrier rework), but my father still plays and wanted to play with me, so I jumped through every hoop imaginable to install this thing on my linux computer (a freaking nightmare), then took a look at what I could do in the game while I play with my pops, and saw shiny new IJN CLs. And now you're telling me they've been nerfed into the ground before I even got a chance to play them?!
I like how with CVs you need at least another ally to create a cross-fire. This thing creates cross-fires by itself.
and then Double alliance game ... enjoy XD
this kind of torp should be called an anti-ship missile.
Trust me anti-ship missiles weren't that good a few decades ago, even now only the best could come close to dat
torpedoes are actually considered underwater missiles. the only difference is that they move in 2 dimensions rather than 3.
@@malamutekid8871Depends on the era of torpedoes. Modern torps like the MK48 or Spearfish move 3D like missiles.
@@OverlordAntares yeah, more modern ones do. the older ones usually move in two dimensions, especially if we're only talking about World of warships
anti wows players, more like, only cv and sub players left soon
I lost it the moment he said: "This is live"
How did THIS pass testing?
WTF?
@Mathew Long But they want and need to earn money right?
@@antraxxslingshots They get it by people wanting to buy the overpowered shit. Once any purchase is made by a player, WG stops caring about what they do. They've already got the money.
Well, I predicted missiles for the game, I just didnt think they would be under water...
Same
A former clan-mate sent me the link to this video. I see, stop playing was a good decision.
Last year I walked away from a 400-ship port, a year worth of premium time and abandoned the forums. Looking back I ca only shake my head to what WG has done to this game.
And thank you Flamu, I learned a lot from you back when the game was fun.
This is what will get people back, everyone will want to play this.
Would be great, think about selling my Account...started playing since the release...but now it is too much for me. Thank the lord I stopped spending money more than a year ago when Subs became a topic. This game and its "development" is a joke. Happy fantasy game. All the best WG. Once I am done I will never ever touch one of your F2P games again. waste of money
Torps that out-turn DDs? Pure magic. WoWS turning into a fantasy game.
@@AKUJIVALDO vatnik cope trash
@@hipperguy1654 one MSM consumer detected. Ukraine is "winning" one year later...with their tanks in Moscow as Elentsky said... Oh wait... LOL
@@AKUJIVALDO just like russians coming back out of ukraine.. fantasy game
Well, technically torpedoes like that did exist. Although they didn't come around until the 1960's.
No destroyer in the world can dodge a Mk48 torpedo for very long.
There were homing torpedoes in WW2 as well, that homed in on the sound of a ship's engine and propellers.
That happened when they added the ARP and Hentai crap to the game.
About a month ago I finally got tilted enough to delete my WG account that I registered in 2015 due to CVs, subs, and forced 2-tier-difference matchmakings (rendering T9 ships unplayable). At first I had regrets, but thanks to your videos those feelings are quickly fading.
15K battles played, 700 EUR spent, 59.8% solo wr reached (too bad, i really wanted that 60, oh well). Rest in Hell.
no one cares.
You could've just sold your account, at least make some of that cash back
@@3men219 Who the fuck would buy a world of warships account lmao?
Man this is so depressing, and the fact that wg said this is fine, is just baffling.
Sick gameplay WG created there. 10/10
Ah yes subs hunting dds, how the tables have turned...
WTF. These are like MK 48's. I guess they implemented torpedoes from 2023, but everything else is WWII/Cold War era. Solid balancing.
Ww2 naval game btw
I knew from the beginning of submarines that those "one turn" homing tops would end up being ADCAPs, only I thought it would be a Soviet sub to get them first
Since they're British.... Maybe closer to the Mk24 Tigerfish
@@firesb7791 same. I was like, " eventually, these things will turn around and chase you for next 10-15 mins and they will be fitted on an Alfa class"
They give subs/carriers modern things, but all the countermeasures we have against them are all ww2. There not gonna give us 2023 levels of AA/ASW :P
That’s no more making me angry, i’m just so sad to see this game i had so much fun in being bucher like that
I'm right there with you. Five years and thousands of hours wasted on this game that I used to love.
21:37 guided javelin missiles 💀
The more I see of subs and superships, the happier I am just relaxing in operations.
i just wish to have operation for sub ( no needing a freacking division)....
Damn, I wish my modern seeking missiles in War Thunder could track a target as well as these WW2 torpedos.
Ewww WT
Wish my AMRAAM BVR missiles in DCS were so effective
I love how the hardest thing to counter a sub in is a dd's depth charges. Like in my Halland it shoots them out of the front so if I stupidly run over the MF I have no counter I have to completely turn around. I also love that the most dangerous thing for a sub in real life was a dd but in this game dds get hunted by subs.
Right? How about a depth charge has the potential of knocking out the ability to dive.
battleship is the real sub counter in this game
@@skarhabekgreyrukh8601 except when you only have a 4km range to drop charges on them.
@@Bane_Diesel 4 km is Cruiser range. Battleship is around 10km. Are you even play?
@@skarhabekgreyrukh8601 lower tier bb im talking about where new players don't know how to just dodge. I am human.
The only thing I can think is wargaming isn’t making enough keeping the game going but they can’t just shut it down because of the backlash they’d get from those who have already sunk so much time and money into it. Instead they are making the game so unplayable that people will voluntarily quit until they can say they have to shut it down due to an insufficient player base.
Well, this is a very good point. They have cashed enough, time to shut down.
I think they are still making a profit but the curve is flattened and they lost a ton of money divesting themselves from Russia. Although they might have skipped out on some loans if the Russian mafia couldn't find them. No their problem is people like me. I'm not buying premium time nor playing the game. And I'm not the only one. They need lots of people paying for premium time to keep the game going. They thought Submarines would be a huge source of revenue but that's not likely to be the case. For everyone who might buy a Premium Sub, when available, an other group of players, like me, will stop playing altogether. In the end I suspect Subs to be a net loss and given the shaky ground WG is standing upon then in two or three more quarters they might be in serious trouble if not bankrupt.
@@robertanderson6929 Plenty of Whales and degenerates both in Warships and Tanks to keep them going without caring about the playerbase
@@Sira_Kackavalj somebody needs to pad the server numbers to keep the game going. 3vs3 with a CV and 2 subs won't be fun even for a griefer.
They are doing perfectly fine, taifun-leader here with 65% - just quit the game ^^
in the hinden game when the announcer said: "the battle begins!" only thing i could think of, it's only a batle if both sides stand a chance
Well I think it fits perfectly, since in 2023 WG/Lesta still thinks that people have to 1) suffer from some type of ship/mechanic, to 2) go and buy the same ship/mechanic to inflict suffering to others. Apparently just having fun and supporting the devs for making a good game to have fun in, is not an option. Apparently WG/Lesta know better, especially given the fact that online on falling for the past 5 years.
“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”
Based on testing results and community feedback, we have found the Just Dodge mechanic to be a blatant exploit at avoiding homing torpedoes, hindering submarine gameplay. Therefore: We have decided to sell a solution to this problem for all of our lovely sub players. Happy Hunting Captains!
Love,
Wargaming
1:32
"You arrogant ass. You've killed us!"
I haven't even thought about wows for months till flamu suddenly showed up in my YT recommended. I'm surprised you guys still play. Once you break the habit of logging in, eventually all the frustration and itch to play go away. Then you forget about the game entirely.
This is in my top 5 favorite Flamu vids of all time.
"The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't."
It's longer than that, but you get the idea...
Now you can get crosstorped by the SAME submarine!
No idea what you were talking about, the Sub Player was clearly superior :D
The crosstorp against the Kiew :D
imagine doing all those turns to avoid a spam of torpedoes while being shot by a Yamato and company, xD
Bruh this ship can literally create its own crossfire wtf
That Kiev clip truly is a clip of all time
Nobody:
WoWs “torpedoes”: *Highway to the Danger Zone starts blasting in the background*
Those things turn better than aim 9x in a fluid that is 800 times denser
Just to put a number on it, the minimum homing range for Alliance on Destroyers is 110m for a single ping and 70m for a double ping, on Cruisers it's 650m and 330m and for Battleships it's 900m and 750m. So add that to their extreme manoeuvrability and low reload and you get a full on WG moment.
I have a technique for dodging homing torps that is 100% guaranteed to work every time: uninstall and play a better game.
during ww2 attack a destroyer in a submarine was considered suicidal, in the thinking men’s action game a submarine can surface 500 mt in the port side of a yamato and eat a broadside without give a fuck
Destroyers were the natural predators of submarines, but in this game, they prey on DD's. I'm glad i stopped playing this shit a year ago.
2:44 5:55 21:35 These are certified Cold Waters moments. If this is a T8 British, imagine if WeeGee develops a Russian tree ending in a T11 Oscar-class with this homing BS.
People were joking about WeeGee adding missiles next, but it seems like they already have
I ran into an Alliance in the Hipper yesterday. Spotted him on the surface. Saw a wave of tops and managed to damage control the first ping, still ate a couple tops. What I didn't know was that he had launched those a while ago. Second ping came in along with another wave of torps. I couldn't do anything. It was more than enough to kill me.
30 second reload vs a minute plus for damage control. People complained about German sub torp spam but the U-190 has a 58 second reload, nearly double.
With this sub and torps we are progressing from "just dodge" to "just die". Seems reasonable in WoWs lately.
I will constantly rage quick once an Allinace enters battle.
Best advert for a new premium ship ever! ;-)
The Torpedo knows where it is because it knows where it isn’t
OMG that cross drop on the Kiev needs to be clipped
this is what happens when WG decides that "Just Dodge" has become too effective
Ah, yes... The Mk.48 ADCAP/CBASS, the torpedo system that won WW2...
I imagine the weegee discussion went something like this.
Weegee: Ok bois, we need new ships in the game......Go.
Underling: Submarines sir?
Weegee: I love it. Now, really blow my mind. How do they work?
Underling: Homing torps sir?
Weegee: Give that man a raise.
When "just dodge" was too effective
I picture, one of these days, at WG-HQ, there’ll be that moment like from the one Terminator movie… where a VP reports to CEO Kislyi about cratered Player Numbers… CEO looks up…stares straight ahead, and says… “We have destroyed OURSELVES..!!?” 😂
IRIS-T. Misses but comes back and tries again
"The Torpedo knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't "
Kiev: "JUST DODGE!? WHERE WILL I DODGE?"
Extremely fun and engaging
The torpedo knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
That's ridiculous. Why do the Brits have such incredible torps? You know the Sub that sank the Belgrano in the Falkland War did it with non homing torps because even then the homing mechanism on the torps was faulty. And while no one else will likely care the Alliance is going to have it all over other subs as well.
The fucking Kiev clip is it. That shit was so funny and unexpected.
At this point they might as well give them wire-guided Mk48 adcaps. I mean, the pincer trickshot at the end is the kind of sht I do in Cold Waters with my Seawolf 🤣
That's exactly what they did. They only forgot to put the correct name on them.
it's just like dodging air-to-air missiles, except you are in a ww2 four-engine bomber and don't have countermeasures
thank god we the silent majority wanted this Kappa
"That is the dumbest thing i've seen" this sentence describes every single patch in this game since 2018
Sub is firing AIM-9 sidewinders....
I just wanna see their Unicorn-proof Tutorial mission on "How to avoid Submarine Torps".
the torpedo knows where it is...
The torpedo knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the torpedo from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the torpedo is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the torpedo must also know where it was.
The acoustic homing scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the torpedo has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
The none guided torp are terrifying when you consider how fast you can reload those things , anything tier 8 get smashed and not in the way of one shot but they are basically done for at that point
and the irony is the biggest threat are actually BB's ASW (high damage), because if DD try to use their ASW , just shotgun them .
I remember that the homing was supposed to stop at a certain distance from the targetted ship. Obviously this is no longer a thing
Just 60 meters for this POS. Way to kill the game, idiot WG.
True, but for DDs the homing-stop distance is about half the length of the DD. Something like 200 meters. Just submerge comrade.
@@AdamtheRed- Alliance specifically has improved homing which is around half the normal distance or better. With DDs 1 ping wont stop homing until 220m (normally 440m), with 2 pings it wont stop homing until 70m (normally 220m).
I'm curious if the torps would follow you around an island?
Would love to see a game where you're commanding the sub against an entire team. Seems the sub might win! ;) That would show how OP it is.
when it is just easier to dodge the ping than the torps
I was already playing less and less over the past 6 months but I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me with this game. I loved this game but they are just killing all my will to play this game.
Idk what you guys are complaining about it. I always had trouble landing torpedoes , and now wargaming is offering me the chance to be a super unicum, I just need to pay the totally reasonable price of 47K doubloons.
The only counter for this would be to make DCP allowable every 20 seconds. This would negate any sort of fire ship build. I’m baffled truly baffled.
The sub apologists on NA forums - "This is fine, just install Advance Torpedo Marker."
They cannot play surface ships, that's why.
I'm glad to see the Ace Combat 04 version of the QAAM is now in boatgame.
*lyrics of that old american film about workind principle of AIM missile, with all words "missile" changed into "torpedo"*
Do you remember most of Ww2 sub torps were 25-45knots, unguided, min arming distance few hundred m, getting usual few degree spread, many of them just dud, lost speed, course or depth, not activated due to steep angle hit.
This is arcade game, but only for newest released boats, usually for doublons.
I played T6 subs and I don't think they OP If you send those unguided torps, most of them miss, once you ping ships, you get focused by ASW. Best chance to react on match progress you have surfaced to run fast, CVs and other stuff incl enemy sub sonar threat you, when CV air crafts come close, you have to guess your moment to dive avoid being spotted.
I would say at least Cachalot and U69 are decently balanced, I had no super match, either ended up with few pings and torps landed for 15K total dmg, or killed 2ships at best. Quite average results I would get with other ships too.
But I found few player accounts, who simply sck in normal ships with 40WR, but excelled in both CVs and subs have there +15 to +20 higher WR, getting their average simply above 50 (I have no better results in CVs and subs too vs BB/DD/Cruisers).
Maybe those guys just played those ships during "happy times" early release and few patches until balancing update.
But this homing feature is still ridiculous.
You simply can't hunt down subs on early spot/attempt. It has potential to be exploited.
8:35 Hahahha even the captain voice is raging with this shiiterry wg had done😂
Clearly, fun is achieved with this boat.
M48 ADCAP in a game with 1940 ships ... marvellous.
Each day I'm more glad I deinstalled last year :-)
What this video ignores entirely, is the fact that even Alliance can't ping like no tomorrow in a real battle. IF BBs use their ASW at least a little smart, they will bring down Alliance relatively quickly, due to its HP pool. Its a submarine in the end. It also "only" has 6km sub-surveillance. So other submarines can be of danger for it as well, even when they are submerged as well.
However, in competitive game modes, subs are going to be insanely strong. Just like with CVs, we have the same rule in effect and that is, "The less surface ships are available, the more effective this ship classes become".
Also, it doesn't neglect the fact that this class even further promotes static game play, were everything bigger than a small destroyer, is hardly going to leave spawn, simply as everyone pushing will get focused down incredibly quickly, by all the domains in the game (Air, surface, submerged). Why WG wants to push its game into this direction is beyond me. Let's see whether the upcoming ASW changes (alt-fire-mode) introduce some sort of relieve.
Imagine having to go and literally smack this thing with a melee attack as a DD.
Congratulations, Mk. 48 ADCAPs are now a thing in WOWS. I would say have fun but the only one having fun here is the sub
So they're throwing Mk.48 ADCAPS at tier 8 ships now... nice!!
So basically you have to stay out of torp range of this new sub or there is no way to avoid the torpedoes, but if you go out of torp range you have to go to open water spawn where you get farmed by battleships shooting plane spotted targets or you hide behind islands and get farmed by CVs.
WG must be competing to see what the most absurd thing is that they can add to the game without it crashing and burning overnight
These homing torps are disgusting. How did Wargaming ever thought that these torps were a great addition to the game is a complete mystery to me. I dont think i should be playing the game anymore knowing that the enemy team may have one or even more than 1 Alliance.
So, someone complained about subs, and this other guy posted this absolutely amazing defense for subs:
"...the way you counter it is full stop reverse turn. its easy, take the one torp coming from the left if you must , but 80% of the torps subs fire are easy to dodge. stick next to sonar users and you wont die, when a single ability counters an entire ship line no matter the ship they become very weak, especially when 90% of ships have that counter. you will always have 2-3 in your match."
Like...does this sound like someone who plays WoWS for more than a few minutes?
I think it wouldnt be so bad if they were closer to glass cannons. It would force the sub player to be very selective about who they choose to attack. Where to decide to set up attacks. The class is so strong, so a good route would be the glass cannon approach. If you get caught once. You're dead.
A sub was always a glass cannon, historically. They're slow and easily break down.
this is a work of art
Wasn’t the whole idea of the cv rework to eliminate one player being able to create cross torping. Now they make a submarine that can do it. There are no words. WTF
When people said they wanted less homing bullshit, Wargaming tutned it up a notch.
WG very optimistic that when I play Gouden I always have Hydro and DCP ready, already expecting the torps, and even then getting rekked because 60 second DCP reload time.
Against CVs, you can see them from far away and turn in to mitigate damage.
DD torps I can guesstimate their direction and juke their prediction.
Subs: homing, even with hydro can barely dodge if I know where they're coming from, also need to dcp to avoid torps damage, if I dpc and still eat a torp, I get a full duration flooding.
And on close range they can just pop up and shotgun if you aren't either full HP or a maneuverable DD...
Playerbase says remove homing torps. What does WeeGee do? New premium sub with enhanced homing.
True madness.
These are just Mk. 48 ADCAPs temporally displaced to WWII.
another nail in the coffin of this game
So they're all about history. It was a game about surface ships, then they decided the fun was over and they introduce CVs and subs, the very things that made surface ships obsolete and just ruuuuuub that in our faces.