I was almost killed when I was 28. I was hiding under a blanket and he was standing right over me but did not see me. I thought I was going to be strangled to death. My heart was beating so load I could not hear anything. When you think your going to be attacked or die no one knows how they will react until it happens to them.
"If Bryan is the killer, his motive was based on obsession, revenge, and/or sexual domination, not because he was trying to plan the perfect murder." I agree completely, Dr. Grande.
Yes; too many mistakes. He tried to feebly cover his tracks and a little planning, but all he had to do was: Keep his cell at home Park a mile or so from the scene. He does jog, so he's in shape Scour the rooms to retrieve left-behind evidence Finish off the witness if he in fact saw her Any half-wit could figure this out. The ONLY thing missing that we're oblivious to is motive. But the other likely/tight facts could have been avoided.
Thorough analysis. The female who witnessed the perp leave and failed to call police could have been suffering from "car hood" syndrome: you hear a strange engine noise, yet refuse to investigate, hoping it's not really a problem.
The Bible tells us that unexpected things happen to all of us. No they didn’t deserve it you’re right. But it wasn’t planned either. I mean it wasn’t planned by God. (Ecclesiastes 9:11,12)
@@tamitatangoto5134 too often people reject God because they think "why did God allow this to happen!". I don't believe it works that way, because I also believe in the Christian Faith and the worst monster alive could find redemption thru God. If that's true then God doesn't "allow" awful things to happen because he gave us free will and I don't see it like God is monitoring our every move all the time. If you're acting in sin, the Lord is probably not in your spirit and soul in the first place. It's very hard to explain and accept but I'm 40 and made tons of mistakes yet it gives me peace to believe it.
From the numerous reports of this being a common party house, and two of the girls coming home from the bar + ordering late night food, Dylan likely concluded that the man she ran into was someone who the other 2 girls brought home from the bar or at the very least invited into the home. She locked the door because it was a strange man to her-any woman would do the same. As a roommate she’s privy to her other mates business, probably thought the other was drunk crying over her ex bf (that she had been drunk dialing all night). None of it is far fetched when you put yourself in young naive college aged kids shoes. No one should blaming this girl or questioning her.
I agree that no one should judge her. The facts concerning what she did that night are facts she provided to law enforcement voluntarily, to help them establish probable cause for Kohberger's arrest. I disagree with normalizing not calling 911. We can suspend judgment about her, without saying it's "understandable" that a person would fail to call 911. You are supposed to call 911. This crime has to be thoroughly investigated. It's tragic for the other roommates, but they have to be investigated. She can decline to be questioned further if this is bad for her mental health, but if a court subpoenas her, she will need to testify.
Exactly. It seems fairly common sense when you have roommates that they're gonna have people over you don't know. But common sense is something conspiracy theorists tend to not have Maybe grande should do an episode on these conspiracy theorists.
I totally agree! This killer existed surrounded by academic and therapeutic experts yet no one had a clue. He was even stopped by law enforcement and he escaped their radar. Though some accuse him of being a "sloppy" criminal, other crime scenes featured more physical evidence but failed to catch the murderer. Many assailants are deluded, believing they are above the law and superior to police. Homicide cases can go "cold" really fast. Families have to fight to continue investigations.
I have a 19 year old daughter at college. She's "sticks to herself" a lot. I could 100% see my daughter reacting similarly to DM. Unless my daughter saw something, or heard something criminal, she probably would've done the same thing, closed her door, locked it, and figured "everything is OK. I don't want to make a big deal out of this. It's probably nothing". There's absolutely no way the thought of "maybe 4 of my roommates were just killed and I should call the police" would ever enter her mind. It's easy for all of us, especially older people, to say "what we would've done" now understanding what took place, but that's not fair. This girl was cleared immediately by investigators and was helpful and truthful. Her description was very accurate. If she had anything to do with these murders or to hide, she could've just told police "I was sleeping. I didn't see or hear a thing", but she didn't. She was honest and told the police everything she could. This poor girl will undoubtedly live a lifetime with regret, survivors guilt, and a myriad of other emotions. Give her a break.
Exactly. Internet trolls would be calling for your daughter to "start taking her meds" after thinking that something like a quadruple stabbing could have just occurred. They'd be doing the same for DM if she had taken immediate action. DM is very clearly in a lose-lose situation here, amid public opinion. I wish her the best and I hope she's able to receive any help she needs.
Bryan thinking that DM had called the police is one analysis I haven't heard anyone else use for the reason he didn't have the time to Kili her and why he sped away quickly. Thanks for your insight. The surviving room mates are very lucky to be alive, imo.
1) Dylan hears odd noises 2) Dylan Sees a man with a Black mask 3) Dylan waits 7-8 hours to contact police 4) Victoms Dog found at the crime scene alive 5) 1122 Kingman road "party house" Had multiple noise complaints 6) Multiple people some under age would come in go at the "party house" 7) TH-cam videos shows Bodycam footage of police talking to one of the victims about noise complaints 8) police went to the "party house" twice in one night due to noise complaints. 9) Bryan Kohberger asked police if he was the only one that's been arrested Now until further Evidence/facts comes out I find it very odd that Dylan waited hours to contact the police. I find it very odd that the dog didn't bark at the stranger or if the dog would bark nobody in the house herd the dog barking. Now to say Dylan froze up/Shocked for 7-8 hours is pathetic of an excuse. You don't become that mentally checked out bc you saw a man in a skii mask in the middle of the night. (IM NOT BUYING IT) As for the multiple noise complaints and many party goers going in and out of the house I mean sure I get it if you get an noise complaint hear or there but it's unexcusable To have multiple noise complaints and very unexcusable for the police to show up twice in one night. So they obviously had some angry neighbors. You look on Google maps the party house is surrounded by a near by apartment buildings and multiple houses close by in my opinion there may be more then one suspect, the Dylan girl seems very suspect to me and as far as the evidence police has found. Went thru his father's trash and found DNA of what exactly?? Let's say he thru evidence away at his father's home on December 16th the day after him and his father was pulled over in Indiana. If he thru evidence in his father's trash around that time how would they able to gather that DNA qhen the arrest happened December 30th?? Plus the trash gets picked up by the garbage man once a week Plus how would they able to match that DNA in the trash to the DNA in Idaho in such a small amount of time?? Maybe I'm not understanding this Also Dylan see the suspect gets a visual of the suspect where a black mask and bushy eyebrows but yet experts claim it was to dark for the suspect to see Dylan ???
as a female, if I lived in a renowned party house, seeing unknown people at 4am and having a lock on my door, I'd lock myself in regardless of feeling scared or threatened or not. Better safe than sorry
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 if that's why, then she would have said that's why. Don't put words in her mouth. She froze, out of fear. Pretty sure that wasn't likely a normal routine for her, in her residence.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 we know what we've been told. It's been stated that she froze from fear. I doubt that was a nightly occurance, from all the supposed men going in and out of their revolving front door. And we have been told that one was scared of a stalker she had. They aren't letting random dudes enter at all hours if that was the case. There's things we know, things that we've been told. Making up anything else, is pure speculation.
I know there’s a lot of confusion as to why Dylan reacted the way she did. I’m glad so many people are still sympathizing with her while trying to understand her reactions. Obviously none of us can fully put ourselves in her shoes but we can try. Personally, a few months ago, I was alone in my dorm room as my roommate was away at her boyfriends and our room was unlocked as it always is (we don’t trust ourselves not to lose our keys and it’s really common at our school to leave the door unlocked). I woke up around 4am a random guy barging into my room, wearing all black with a backpack, and standing the middle of our room before he grabbed my roommates laundry basket. I was so sleepy and confused all I did was say “dude… wrong room” and he said “oh shit” and sprinted out, not even closing the door. I closed the door and went back to sleep. Looking back I cannot fathom why I didn’t freak out, especially as a young woman alone. I never reported it and I don’t know why I reacted the way I did. Perhaps it was bc I was barely awake or couldn’t process the danger I was in? I can only dylan being in a similar hard to understand mental state. We do weird things when we can’t process our surroundings. Also, side note, I had been drinking that night and my understanding is Dylan likely was too. Perhaps the drowsiness and alcohol played a part. Her reaction doesn’t make my suspicious of her, more pity than anything, as I am sure she is beating herself up (undeservedly).
Yes; agreed. Also: these are very young people. An older, wiser, more experienced adult would probably react very differently to someone being in his/ her space in the middle of the night.
love this comment! seeing people be suspicious and even downright blaming her for not calling the police immediately. the mask part is super depended on context-considering ethan stayed over often, it wasn’t totally unusual for other people to be there at night, and wearing a mask in someone else’s home when visiting isn’t weird at all these days. i think women also often tell themselves they’re overreacting, i think it’s possible she was scared but just pushed it away, because no one would expect such a horrible crime to occur just out of the blue. i just wish people would be more compassionate to the surviving roommates, they’ve just experienced a hugely traumatic event, being kind and understanding towards them is the least we can do
I once fell asleep in my dorm room in daylight on top of the bed while studying. I woke up in the dark, standing, two or three feet from the side of the bed. This was the year that that Danny Rolling guy had murdered students in Florida but was not yet caught. I can’t say to this day whether the soft clunk I heard was right then or a sort of memory of what woke me - but I knew someone had just shut the door to my room. I also had a flashing sensation in my eyes despite the dark. It was a long, narrow room - window behind me, door in front of me, everything totally dark. I had an intense urge to not be trapped at the back of the room and rushed forward. A couple of feet from the door, just in the alcove between door and closet, I passed through what I can only describe as a column of warm air: i do not recall smelling anything, but I knew for certain it was exactly where someone had stood. I even knew it was a make, and how much taller than me. I opened the door and stepped out into the corridor. It was very quiet. Even the drunks and party animals were asleep. All of this took just four or five seconds. A guy coming from the dead end of the corridor a few rooms down. He had to have passed the last room-doors, reached the fire escape door and realised it was alarmed, so he’d turned and was starting back. Still fuddled by sleep, I strode out along the corridor and we both stopped at the only turnoff, where there was a eight angle short corridor to elevator and stairs. He was well muscled: as I looked at his biceps at my face level, I said he didn’t live here, and he politely, blandly, agreed. And just stood there waiting. There followed a bizarre exchange where I offered him reasons why he was on this floor - visiting a friend, got out the elevator in the wrong floor, got lost etc - and he politely declined each one. This was getting a bit Red Riding Hood. He was wearing his tanktop rolled jp almost to his nipples, one of the narcissist fads of that year, showing his daunting sixpack. My brain FINALLY got into gear and I realised I was even standing well within his (much longer) reach. I stepped back, turned and hustled back up the corridor, and he moved almost as fast away towards the elevator & stairs. Cursing myself for doing the stupidest thing ever, back in my room I called the building security. They told me I probably had a bad dream. Nobody came along to check anything. I was a foreigner there. All of us Europeans were already incredulous at the lack of security in the dorms - horrified at the “herd book” at reception - but the locals seemed oblivious to security. I got back from class the following afternoon to find a message from the city (not campus) police, and when I called they asked me to go down there. The officer (or deputy,, I have no idea) an older man, got me to describe what happened and then describe the guy: he had an unusual detail about his face, and when I mentioned it, I saw the officer knew it very well. In the days that followed, half a dozen people told me of their encounters with this guy (how he bumped someone’s desk as he came round the room corner and calmly picked up and put back a pen that rolled off) and half a dozen others told me of other people who had been assaulted by him. He had been prowling for weeks. Remember, the Florida murderer of students had not been detected yet. The university at no time alerted students about this or any other prowler.
I can imagine Bryan's astonishment when he returned to the scene of his crime and there was zero law enforcement activity. I cannot wrap my head around the lapse of time before 911 was called and the possibility of victim resuscitation had it been sooner than later. Excellent breakdown of this disturbing case Dr Grande. Thank you!
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@@ruthmajor6566 Doc Grande is rather monotonic and demonstrates little if any facial inflections when discussing emotional hot points. The makings of an objective researcher with an impeccable "poker face." 🤓
Not too accurate as he reported Dylan's room was on the 1st floor, per the affidavit, her room was on the SECOND floor. Very important detail to get incorrect.
There was no mention of Dylan seeing a bloody knife in a hand of the man she saw. Why would she think he just killed her friends? She seems to have gotten an extremely uncomfortable feeling about this person, so she locked her door. Also, we don't know how much her door was open...maybe just a couple inches...& the man wouldn't have noticed. He was probably in such a state of mind from what he'd just done....he had to get out of there quickly. Most of us don't think " a stranger...he probably just viciously stabbed my roommates."
Exactly! I've been saying this ever since it came out in the news that they didn't immediately call the police. Everyone is viewing this retrospectively. We all know multiple people were killed, but she had no way of knowing it at the time. Who checks on their roommates every morning to make sure they're still alive? That's not a thing people do.
A strange man dressed in all black and wearing a mask walking towards you in your own home is terrifying. According to the affidavit, she said she froze in fear and then closed and locked her bedroom door. That indicates she was afraid. I suspect 1) The initial time provided by LE was a red herring to protect the witness which is consistent with what they did by reporting they were both on the first floor. 2) I disagree with Dr. Grande in that the acute stress response could have led into a trauma arousal cycle which can last hours or days-like a fugue state. A response to fear can be much stronger for someone with a history of trauma or a mental condition.
@@alexanderlindsey4066 She reportedly heard someone say "somebody is in the house." That is unusual. She them hears crying, then sees a strange man dressed in black, enough to cause her to lock her door out of pure fright. That is also unusual. If all that is accurate (which I doubt) then we can try to make sense of how a young 20 something girl might react. But we also have to understand humans of that age do things that are simply illogical, to which there is no good explanation. It is what it is.
If I was in Dylan’s position I would have not only frozen but would have also run back to my room and locked the door and I’m 100% sure the shock would have caused me to faint afterwards. Stress does a number on some people in the face of danger. Sad story indeed..
@bangibabs I agree but I also think she had absolutely no idea what had happened. There is no way I would ever think four of my friends had been murdered while I was in the same house with them. She could have assumed the masked person was a friend of one of the others there in the house & put the mask on because he was going outside & it was obviously very cold with snow everywhere. She locked her room door to prevent any more "visitors" from coming into her room. Then she went to sleep & I'm sure didn't wake up till very late in the morning. jmo
@@ceelobrown8606you’re right in saying it doesn’t make sense, but it doesn’t change anything. I doubt she she was involved in it , it’s far more likely she’s just kind of stupid.
I’m surprised how many people think he was set up, or just enjoy turning things into conspiracies. This is a solid case. I don’t think he was thinking too clearly while planning this so made all those mistakes. It’s very disturbing & just sad.
He was on a mission...he had planned this, was enraged of the 'haves' and he was one of the 'have nots'...he had issues relating to ANYONE, honestly. He's been 'sick' for a LONG TIME. I believe he became obsessed with killing and getting revenge for whatever he felt, MANY years ago. He tried to fit in, by doing many things, and he snapped.
I see the majority of people just saying he’s innocent until Proven guilty. I notice the true crime community online assumes an arrest automatically equates to guilt, which isn’t always the case
He had moved to Washington in June and had until November 30 to change his registration to Washington from PA. I thought that seemed fishy at first too but it's not actually. He did meticulously clean the car out the police say and wore surgical gloves to empty the garbage at his parent's house and even took their trash to a neighbor's can instead of using his family's garbage can! That says "guilty" to me! No one does that!
I agree in context, but I have done each of those things. I wash my hands after taking the trash out, but wearing gloves isn’t a stretch. When I clean my car it is top to bottom. And my neighbor and I often use each other’s trash cans. If mine is filled and my neighbor’s isn’t it costs money to add an extra trash bag to mine but nothing if neighbor’s isn’t filled. So, yeah, all together it seems odd, but not individually.
@@nickh.4917 agree. I would add that a cross-country car trip can leave a vehicle pretty messy. I have not read anywhere that the car was cleaned in PA vs somewhere else. Only that it was meticulously cleaned. If his intention was to destroy evidence, seems like he would not have waited a whole month to clean the car. Perhaps he cleaned the car twice. His movements on Nov 13th include several hours in the Lewiston area. I wonder if that is when he cleaned the car, and perhaps tossed the knife into the Snake River.
Well, consider they just drove across the country and that car looked visibly filthy, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on cleaning the car. He could've cleaned it closer to the date of murder instead of at his parents house, because during the month led up to him driving to PA, he still had to drive that car to school. As for wearing gloves to take the trash out, I do the same because I usually have to double check if I've separated all the recycle items from the regular disposal pile so I wore gloves to prevent my hands from getting dirty, then tying up the bags again and grabbing them to the communal recycling bins. Not defending BK by any means, just saying those two incidents are easily explainable and quite common.
The DNA on the knife sheath is what says "guilty" to me. There is so much evidence there's no way this guy gets away with it. One of the dumbest crimes I've ever seen, he might as well had taken a selfie while at it
Thank you for standing up for the victim who didn't call the police. Some people really do seem to lack the empathy to see the various reasons why someone would react in that way.
I woke to to a man’s face pressed up against my window TWICE….did I Call the police? No. I froze, but then rationalized that it wasn’t that big of a deal bc he left. And I didn’t have a description so I rationalized that they wouldn’t be able to do anything. After I moved from that apartment I realized how dumb it was not to call police…I personally think she was impaired. I read somewhere where she was at the fraternity party with Xana and Dylan.
My guess is Dylan either went into a freeze state OR she found the guy in the house extremely freaky & scary but was so used to it being a party house full of strangers she didn’t know whole story & just felt a roommate had a huge creepy creep over & chalked it up to that. I don’t think humans can always compute something that bad can happen when they don’t truly think it can happen to them in their life. Biggest question I truly have is why he left her alive. Perhaps he was that exhausted or didn’t see her. It also occurs to me he felt the cops were already called & just tried to exit stealthy but then sped away as soon as out. It’s so creepy - that detail.
I wonder if he said something to her, maybe told her he would be watching, so don’t call the cops. The affidavit is missing a lot of details, they easily could have left that out. I do think it’s because he found his target, though.
I believe that Kohberger did not see the roommate when she seen him. That's the only thing that makes sense. Because he wouldn't have left her alive had he seen her.
Come on the moment he leaves all the room mates r dead ??? I would said that first before anything not wait til someone in custody now she still has to go to court to identify him
Regarding Dylan’s behaviour - it was stated she froze when she saw the intruder. One can speculate as to her behaviour afterwards but I think it’s important to remember that not all the information was provided in the PCA. We will have to wait for her testimony in the trial to hear the full story.
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Hindsight bias makes it seem to us that she should have immediately called 911 but she only had limited information at the time 1. She lived in a party house with probably many late night guests 2. She only heard crying and someone playing with a dog. 3. Many people are still wearing face masks. 4. We don't know what she meant by "frozen shock phase" could have just meant she was creeped out to suddenly see a man there and briefly froze. Normalcy bias is a common cognitive distortion where we minimize a potential threat so she likely just rationalized it away and went to bed.
My father was an alcoholic. When bad things happened, I went into denial mode. So, once I hired a handyman my friend recommended. Little did I know he was a thief! So, he went outside and came in through a window that was also a door and I met him in my hallway. I froze. In some part of my brain, I knew he should NOT be coming in through my window and should have come in through the front door, but I froze and said nothing. Later when I realized he had stolen valuable rings from me that my mother-in-law had given me in case I needed to sell them at some point I realized that freezing may have saved my life. I know some people would have questioned the guy or yelled at him. Instead, I froze. I was grateful for that reaction because I lived alone in a secluded place and if he killed me the woods were behind my house. No one would have known it was him. He could have escaped easily. If Dylan had some sort of childhood abuse that could have happened to her too. Maybe it saved her life too?
Thank you! Saved me typing all this out myself. She was probably used to randos being in the house a lot and even though he creeped her out enough to lock her door never in a million years would have guessed a bunch of her flatmates had just been murdered. I mean, who WOULD assume that? Not many people, IMO.
Sees a masked intruder, hears loud thuds and admits she was frozen in fear. She admitted that. So how could she sleep for 6 hours unscathed. She never called police so your explanation doesn't add up. Much like D's recounting of her actions. The defense will use this with abject glee.
When I was Dylan's age, I was very niave. I had a man come to my apartment and was insisting he needed to come in. I told him no and shut the door quickly, locked it and then sat on my couch scared with a big pair of scissors (it was all I had.) He came back with a knife, insisting he needed to find his uncle. I did not open the door, but I told him his uncle wasn't there and that I didn't know his uncle. I was terrified, but I didn't call the police because in my young mind I thought the police would be mad because the guy was not there anymore and I thought maybe I could get in trouble. I think my reluctance was being niave and inexperienced. Now, I wouldn't hesitate to call police. I could also imagine that Dylan convinced herself that nothing happened because how often to horrible things like that happen, she didn't go look because she didn't want to know and if she saw something truly horrible she didn't think she could handle it, so she waited. Then when it got later and later she called others over because she didn't want to see the reality of what she feared. I don't know....that is how I could imagine feeling in her situation. My heart is so heavy for her.
I doubt it she probably thought it was nothing and went back to bed and I don't blame her it's not her fault or at least it seems that way with the evidence currently.
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I would not judge Dylan. I theorize that she got spooked seeing an unfamiliar man in the house, however strangers came in and out of this house all the time -especially on the weekend. If he was wearing a surgical-type mask rather than a balaclava this is no longer such a suspicious or alarming thing to see someone wearing. She was probably relieved to watch him leave, felt secure enough locked in her room, and hearing no more noises assumed that whatever that was about it could wait until the morning to discuss with roommates. Maybe she thought she was over-reacting by being scared. If she was intoxicated this may also cloud her judgment and perception of the situation and make her drowsy. I can't see any reason she would have nefarious or negligent intentions. I believe we just haven't learnt the full context of her state-of-mind. I hope she is doing okay.
Additionally, if they'd all been out till 2:00am or later and had been drinking, it's reasonable to assume that they would sleep in late the next morning.
The way we hope we behave when we have all the facts is very different to the way we behave when we don’t, we all want to be heroes but when you come face to face with a stranger in your home in the early hours self preservation must kick in. If keyboard warriors want to query the girls behaviour, just be grateful that it wasn’t you that had that choice to make. A different choice might have led to there being 6 fatalities.
I watched a friend spiral towards madness when his meds became unavailable. He lost his longtime job when his employer retired and shut down his business. His job was a lot of his identity. Then he lost his benefits for his prescriptions. Unmedicated his new wife saw how "strange" he had become. She went for divorce. Now unmedicated he spiralled down. He snapped. Took an ax and killed her and her adult daughter and then chickened out on killing himself. He made it in the world without hurting anyone for 50 years. Had he been able to have easy access to meds I think he might have made it. Maybe... Now doing life without parole. His name is Charles Nettlebeck. One day...A few hours...A stressful situation...things go terribly wrong. Lots of seemingly normal people out there in life are very much on the edge....
So awful and also so bad that people can’t just get the meds they need:( I met a guy who ended his own after losing benefits which is super sad though at least he didn’t take any other lives.
That correlates more closely with a lot of other homocide cases though. The snap and killing of the partner/family member. But stalking a house and being methodical in the way this guy has is less common.
I think it is possible, but i dont think he was exhausted. I only base this on other cases where many more people were attacked over a longer period of time. (i refer to the japanese man who stabbed 45 in roughly 30 minutes). Rather, i think because bryan had visited the area numerous times and based on social media, he was expecting only females. Ethan's presence meant he couldnt be sure if guys were in the other rooms as well. So he left.
Just a suggestested opinion. Maybe if there truly was a loud scream by either Maddie or Kaylee that roommates/neighbors could have heard, that alleged suspect BK did not plan on, he then high-tailed it out of there, scared of being caught more than killing witnesses, plans went awry & he booked it out of there regardless.
Bro he was trying to get away with it. The exhaustion the sweat. The disheveled moves. He’s also doing the crime in a mask likely. Could he have gotten the other two. Most definitely. They’re holding something back still
Geddoe, also consider that he killed several healthy, un-intimidating, people for probably the first time. And up-close and intimately. Even if you think something like this through, if it is your first time you aren't aware of the intensity of the situation and how it is going to overwhelm you. I think after he killed the first person he was already struggling to function because did not keep up with where the sheath was. I feel like he fled the scene because he carried the bloody knife back to the car thinking he left the sheath in the car. And when he could not find it he tried to think where it was and could not remember anything. At that point the Phd Student realised murder ain't easy. He was so messed up that he even went back the next day. One thing known by every detective, Criminals very often go back to the scene of the crime. He had to have been taught that, and knew to stay away. He was freaked-out about the evidence he had left behind.
I think Bryran Krohbrerger could have stabbed hundreds of people if he wanted to. It isn't really that much exercise. I think he left because the other two were accomplices.
The most surprising thing for me is that this would be his first offence. Usually people like this start "small," with animals, or isolated loners. But this was a big time quadruple murder and home break in. They would be more likely to offend in their own home or in a "safer" place our of the way somewhere. Could it be that this isn't his first, but just his first mistake.
Dont forget that most serial killers get better at killing after their first victims, this must be hist first time in regards to how sloppy he left the crime scene.
There are many unsolved murders out there. It is possible he has already killed someone like a homeless person, sex worker, I would say a single individual. It does seem odd to start with 4 people.
Strange to think that Bryan Kohberger is less than a mile away from me in the courthouse. Strange that someone on TH-cam is talking about the town I live in and the school I attend. In a town this small. This is a surreal time in my life, I'm sure others in the town feel the same way. Thanks Dr. Grande ❤️ I appreciate your calm, objective views on this case. I think it's important work that you do, it can help prevent things like this from happening again by teaching us some warning signs. No one expected this, I'm sure they did feel safe with so many people but it's wise to be cautious.
I grew up in a college town very similar to Moscow, down to population size. Many people have no idea of the safe, small town atmosphere. It's not urban at all. Pretty much everybody has mutual acquaintances (or relatives!). This whole thing is a horrible aberration. Moscow is still a good town, a safe town, no matter what.
I am so freaked out that the first floor roommate saw a man in black with a mask, striding through the hallway, totally frightening her, and then went out the back sliding door, and the roommate didn’t call 911 for almost 7 hours. My heart breaks with the thought that some of those roommates could’ve been breathing, possibly still alive, for all those hours. 😯
I'm sure she had no idea they were hurt. We know what happened to those 4, but she didn't at the time. It's not something that would occur to most people, especially when they were used to seeing a lot of different people in the house.
@@whitneywhitney8356 so what? That may not have been very out of the ordinary for them if she heard someone screaming and violence than it would be her fault but I don't see what she did wrong here.
@@whitneywhitney8356 it was a party house. If the person saying this didn’t sound alarmed she could have thought they were just saying that in response to a person coming over. It wasn’t unusual for randos to be in the house.
And had the police been called a life could have been saved. The roommate not calling the police, even after going through the period of shock and her behavior after are concerning. I feel for the families of the victims who can’t help but wonder if maybe.
@@Mom4DVJustice you sure do hold strong opinions for someone who's likely never been in this situation. You can speculate all you want but until you've been in her shoes and YOU respond how YOU expect her to, you should maybe extend a bit of grace to her situation.
@@Marymackthequeenofwack please. This will definitely be brought up by the defense, and the jury will want to hear from her. I certainly feel for the 4 victims who lost their lives, and their families. I can empathize certainly with them and how that must feel. Of course the discussion here is speculation. However, these behaviors were indicated on the probable cause documents. Not speculative. Our opinions based on these documents and the details in them. I found her behavior and actions to be concerning prior to those documents coming out by calling her friends to come out before the police, 9 hours after the murders and then when affidavit was released, the additional details were outright shocking. so you can take a seat you’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I’m not going to attack you for them. BTW nobody has been through her situation. Not to judge jury or the attorneys.
@@Mom4DVJustice miss ma'am you can sit your ass on down "it's about how we FEEL"...there's your problem, it's not about feelings it's about FACTS. You expect that you are entitled to your *opinions* dogging out someone who's no doubt drowning in survivors guilt and here come yall in the peanut gallery with these strong opinions based on what? An affidavit statement and your feelings? GTFOH
He could not have known how many people were in the house at the time. Kaylee had already moved out two weeks before and Ethan was just staying over. So I tend to think he was interested in Maddie, but the others were potential witnesses, which may have surprised him far beyond his plans. It might have been too dark to see DM, but we don't know that.
Maddie and Xana worked in a vegan place supposedly. Kohberger being a hardcore vegan might have been in there, said something creepy and they were mean to him. Who knows
To me, it seems clear that she just didn't realize what had happened. After seeing a stranger in her home, she was likely suspicious that something bad happened. And terrified to go investigate. But she also probably convinced herself that she was overreacting and didn't want to call the police over something unnecessary. And I think it's likely that one of the women upstairs woke up and screamed. He was so panicked that he forgot his knife sheath. Whether he saw her or not, he had one goal on his mind that that point. To get away as quickly as possible.
I can see that, but what is hard to understand is it taking so long to call LE / 911, and calling friends first, further delaying LE getting there. I suspect that they were getting rid of a drug cache.
It's comforting to know that one of Brian's tutors described him as having a 'brilliant mind'. So brilliant in fact, that a whole department of Academic's, (full time occupation studying crime & criminal behaviour) didn't notice the [allegedly] homicidal psychopathic killer amongst them.
@@derekrushton1705 Exactly this. Some of the stupidest people I've met were in my college cohort. They just had good grades their whole lives because they were good at memorising things for exams, but when it came to higher thinking most of them had the brains of a 14 year old.
His criminology academic focus was technology. I am confused how he would not know on the night in question and all the nights prior to have his computer linked to his phone’s hotspot at home while watching a 3-hour-long Bollywood flick-because that keeps the phone active and traceable to the location a perp would want it to be, not where he actually is. Why did he drive his car knowing Ring/store/parking lot/street surveillance cameras would all pick this up the night in question and the nights prior? Why not put glue on his, eyebrows and cover them, with concealer like the drag Queens do? Why use a knife with a sheath he has handled with his bare hands when it is clear he knows where to get gloves. Why talk? Why leave witnesses alive, because it isn’t like he ran out of bullets? Did he just get bored, with killing and decided he’d call it a day? If I wanted frame him, I’d take his phone and car when he was asleep and establish a surveillance pattern near the house, then, on the night in question, pay some meth head to walk through the house and spook the roommate to make sure she saw the eyebrows. So many mistakes from a PhD criminology student is definitely going to cause a decrease in enrollment in that school, because apparently nobody learns anything there.
Well said. I agree. He's so guilty. The stupid mistakes he made are laughable. I hope he gets life. Execution would be too kind. Let him rot in the joint.
Is it possible these days to TEXT to 911? I feel like we should get on that. I wouldn’t want to talk out loud while there was someone in my house. Waiting hours....idk about that part...but I wouldn’t call in the moment, for sure.
The case against Bryan seems extremely strong just from the probable cause documents, and apparently that is just the beginning of what the prosecution has against Bryan . I feel so bad for all of the families of the victims and the parents of Bryan
well said. I believe the police have a lot more unimpeachable evidence than has been presented to date. equally it'll be interesting to hear the defense side
I feel so bad that this has only got national attention because it involve pretty white girls. Indigenous girls from the northwest are lost and never get the attention these people got. So very sad how this nation only cares for it's pretty white girls like Gabby Patito.
Curious to know if BK returned to the scene the following morning to observe if his crime had been discovered yet or to search the area for his missing knife sheath.
@@tablelandstranquillity5008 I've heard that it is not at all unusual for a killer to return to the crime scene at least once. And that law enforcement will likely stake out the crime scene afterwards for just that reason.
Excellent work. And congratulations on the positive decoration changes in the background! The big cactus now being in the middle of the table creates a much more peaceful atmosphere on the table. And it gives me great peace of mind as the situation with it being on the side of the table didn’t sit right with my a**!
This is the first time I’ve heard about a DoorDash delivery at 4am. I’m sure detectives researched and investigated the driver, but that is weird that the murders coincidently happened so close to the delivery time. All of the sudden, now we’re learning a roommate saw him and DD delivered around the same time. Very strange.
It's been surmised that he surely didn't plan for a food delivery, throwing off his whole plan. I imagine him watching and waiting for the lights to finally go out, then up rolls Uber Eats. I relish the idea that he was frustrated and pissed at that point and had to wait it out. Then I guess he couldn't remain patient and went in anyway. And made some more sloppy, helpful mistakes.
That is likely how he entered without any forced entry. The doors were locked, as all girls are now home for the night. But xana ordered doordash at 4am. She went down to get it, and likely forgot to lock the door again, when she closed it. The killer might have already been parked nearby, then he found the door unlocked when he checked it.
The first call to 911 wasn't made until nearly *eight hours* after the roommate saw him in the house. Surveillance from the area picked up audio of the dog barking, she had to have heard that if she was able to hear the words "I think someone is here", and "its okay, I'm going to help you".
I ignore my dogs barking all the time. But once when the dog was barking mad for atleast 40 minutes straight, i looked out and saw a peeping tom. Also, there are two roommates here. One didnt hear anything
Yeah…. And I think it’s weird that when she called 911 she said that her roommate was unconscious. Why didn’t she say that there was blood everywhere and she was murdered ?there’s a big difference.
Great analysis once again, Dr. Grande. I have a few things that I've been thinking about. First, returning near the house that morning after the murders tells me that he wanted to recover the sheath that he'd forgotten in the chaos of the killings. Then he realized that entering it in broad daylight was not possible. Remember that BTK returned to one victim to recover a gun he'd left behind. Secondly, moving the Elantra to PA. This points to trying to throw authorities off his scent beyond the shadow of a doubt, in my opinion. He probably figured that soon enough he'd be contacted since it was all over the news that the white Elantra was critical in the case. Lastly, the roommate Dylan (DM) who didn't make a call until late that morning could've done so for so many reasons. I believe that the affidavit might've been intentionally vague when it came to DM's interaction with the killer because revealing more might compromise the ongoing investigation. She certainly could've been on drugs, in shock, disbelieving that a quadruple murder could've just possibly happened, etc. She might've even thought that the guy was really one of the girls' guy friends, and since it was wintertime, he had every right to be wearing a mask. But I am sure that more is coming down the pipe, and that authorities know much more than we do by now. They've had time to start searching everywhere, including Bryan's apartment, his parents', Bryan's computer, etc. So I'm with you. I think he's guilty as well.
I think this was a case study for him. I think he wanted to observe an investigation from the point of view of being the only person that knows the truth to see how accurate the investigation was along with the media coverage. Based on the creepy survey he put out for his thesis, I think this is a likely scenario.
I think that is all true! Only thing I'd add is that I think he also wanted to EXPERIENCE the feelings and thoughts someone has while committing these crimes. Those were questions in his Reddit questionnaire and I don't think the answers he received fully satiated his need to understand. The only way he felt he could truly get answers to his questions was to do the acts himself.
I mean, I feel like there's a better way to go about it aside from killing multiple people. Although if true, it does hint at sociopathic tendencies... and a dedication to experimentation.
This is a horrific case. I think they did feel safe with so many people in the house, Sadly someone did not secure the door. The motive is still to be found, yet I believe he is a vegan or vegetarian and Maddie and Xana were waitresses at a Vegan Dinner, so this could be the connection. It has been stated that he has been asked to leave from a different establishment due to his behaviour towards a member of staff. He got angry at the waitress for not answering all his questions. Angry enough to be asked to leave by management!!!! The evidence is extreme against him, and insane really considering he was studying for his masters in criminology - or crime. He MUST have known better regarding covering his crime, he was incredibly sloppy, which was such a bonus for the police who had him on their radar within days of this crime. RIP Maddie, Xana, Ethan and Kaylee. Thoughts go to the family and friends of these poor students. It is awful to be murdered in your bed - where you should feel safest and are at your most vulnerable!!! I hope he gets the death penalty - if anyone deserves it - he does.
I think that the criminal in him overpowered the criminologist and he committed huge mistakes because murdering four people is not something rational. The "madness" and random circumstances it implies is not something you can totally control ! thanks it is not too common among the population .... this four young people killed with no motives is beyond my understanding, maybe another crazy grandiose BS Incel ???
It probably was not unusual for strangers to be in the house on occasion hence DM was not alarmed after she heard "someone's here." Perhaps she wasn't sure of what she heard or was which explains why she didn't call police right away. They all need our prayers.
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Dr. Grande, your analysis of the witness and the accused's reactions are the most in-depth to date. Thank you for your insights. Warm greetings from South Africa.
Good morning Dr. Grande, Appreciate your update and analysis on this horrific, unthinkable tragedy-hoping the families that lost their loved ones receive justice in the courts.
She didn't call the police because she didn't witness a crime. Why is this so hard for people to understand?! She saw a creepy guy walking down her hall, so she locked her bedroom door. That's it. He could have been one of her roommate's late-night hookups for all she knew.
@@gordongekko2781 Agree. Apparently she did not see the deaths nor did they call her name for help. Waiting until 11AM to call was baffling, but I doubt she wanted to bother Kaylee them on a Sunday morning. Privacy or something. Looks like no one goes to bed there until well after midnight on weekends.
I think Dr.G’s last reason (Bryan being exhausted or assuming police had already been called) makes the most sense for why Dylan or the other roommate were ignored. I do think the affidavit may not be telling the whole story, but it certainly cast Dylan in a questionable light which is unfortunate for her.
He entered on the first floor, but avoided a lone girl down there. One who is under everyone else and the least likely to be heard. Then he goes up to the second floor and kills two in one room but leaves a lone person. It would have made more sense to target the one who's room he has to go by to go upstairs. Instead he went to the room that is farther away. Then he went upstairs, to two who wouldn't have likely heard anything downstairs. He could have killed four already, without going to the third floor.
Agree - killer was likely “satisfied” and probably also exhausted after killing 4 young adults. The randomness of being both a witness and survivor definitely would mess with one’s mind. A 20 year old in middle of night possibly impaired and afraid isn’t likely to think critically or clearly. What a Nightmare.
I think it is possible, but i dont think he was exhausted. I only base this on other cases where many more people were attacked over a longer period of time. (i refer to the japanese man who stabbed 45 in roughly 30 minutes). Rather, i think because bryan had visited the area numerous times and based on social media, he was expecting only females. Ethan's presence meant he couldnt be sure if guys were in the other rooms as well. So he left.
@@llkellenba Yes, I agree. We should not pass any type of negative energy towards Dylan. Her brain and nervous system was protecting her. I’m imaging being her mind and trying to discern which parts of what she saw were true. Was that a dream? Am I sleepwalking? Was I drugged last night? Am I safe? It’s quiet. Am I safe? I’ll take a look. Did I just see that? I’m not sure. It’s quiet….” No one better say anything negative towards Dylan. Let’s launch a ‘Get Off Dylan’s Back’ campaign. I’m sure she was spiraling into dissociation.
DM was sleeping on the 2nd floor, according to the affidavit, not the first floor, I believe. This is important because she was able to hear Kaylee G. and also saw the perpetrator walk towards her, pass by her, and walk towards the sliding door exit, also on the 2nd floor. It's confusing, because the media has been telling us that both of the survivors were on the first floor, and that the other bedroom on the second floor was not occupied that night. The affidavit says otherwise...
Yes, what people don't understand is that the main floor is really the 2nd floor, and it has an old core and a new wing joined together. The old part connects to the lower split level referred to as the 1st floor. And the new part of the 2F connects to the 3F.
Thanks - I have been confused given descriptions 1st floor had a key code entry and this killer I assume both entered through and walked by DM to exit out a slider door located on 2nd floor.
Very well analysis, as always Dr. Grande!!! You're always right-on when it comes to these things! If everyone in this world had the same insight, common sense, wisdom, and critical thinking as you do, Dr Grande, our world would definitely be a better place!! Also, your wife is a lucky lady...you're such a cute guy!!!!💕
Great breakdown of the case thus far, Dr. Grande! I didn't follow this stabbing spree case until a friend told me he was following it, so i started looking into it. So it was helpful that you included the entire timeline from start to current info. Do you know if this case will result in a televised trial like the Darrell Brown case? Maybe that's not known yet ... ?
Hello Dr. Grande, just want to say that I appreciate the work you put into creating this content. I really enjoy watching your analysis of various cases.
If I were living in a party house and saw a stranger leaving early Sunday morning he could have said hey I just killed all your friends I would take it as a misguided attempt at humor. Likewise I'd have came up with an explanation for loud noises in other rooms. Especially given they'd repeatedly had noise complaints. I think perhaps after learning the facts Dylan told investigators she was frozen in fear because she felt guilt over not recognizing the true nature of the situation and felt that being fearful was appropriate given 20/20 hindsight
Like so many criminals, Brian carried his phone with him everywhere and dropped his knife sheath with DNA on it. It is really difficult to pull off such horrible murders in this age and get away with it. I continue to wonder why he did these murders?
IMO I honestly think he thought he would get away with it, considering his educational background. He probably thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room lol
Actually, he turned his phone off shortly before the murders were committed, then turned it back on shortly afterwards -- which itself is incredibly suspicious. LOL There's no escaping big brother! This is the world we live in now.
Thank you for condensing all of this for us! This case is so very complex that it's hard to keep up with it. There are probably hundreds of videos available for each one of the points you made. I haven't seen any reports on the other surviving roommate. I'm sure we will hear more about her in the days ahead. One thing for sure, I'm so sorry for all of the "victims" of this horrible crime. And there are many (victims) in addition to the four beautiful young people who were murderer. 😓😓😓
Actually, from a prosecution point of view, this case is fairly straightforward. The sheathe pretty much seals the deal. All the other evidence (car seen next to the house during the crime, phone pings, DM’s description of the killer etc…) paint the complete picture, but the sheathe is conclusive evidence that cannot be argue against.
The most shocking thing to me was the lack of security cameras. I live in Canada in a very safe neighbourhood and out of curiosity walked to the end of my block to see how many security cameras I could see - 7 of 10 houses all had cameras as i do as well. In a house housing college students no cameras seems neglect on the part of the landlord.
@@Throatzillaaa And incidents of serious crime in college towns are relatively rare, so landlords may not feel an obligation or need to place cameras, especially for a small rental property. My small 4 unit apartment building close to the downtown of one of the largest cities in the country doesn't have any cameras, and I've never considered the landlord negligent in not providing them. There are security lights however, which i would consider mandatory.
I just can’t understand how there wasn’t a ton of screaming during the murders. Like whoever was killed first, you’d think they would be screaming which would alter the others. It’s so strange
When Dillon saw the suspect, she didn’t know he had killed her roommates. Additionally, this was a party house and perhaps she reasoned that he might have known one of the other roommates. She was unsure about calling police if the person already left the house. She might have debated with herself over calling 911 and finally decided not to since she wasn’t certain anything had happened. She might also have been inebriated or otherwise impaired. Too many uncertainties to make a big deal about it. She probably thought I’ll just lock my door here to be safe, and then she fell asleep. That’s my reasoning for why she didn’t immediately call for help.
So why not at least mesg her roommates to at least check if everything is alright? She just heard them, and what they said was strange enough to go check what was going on. Was she that disassociated from her roommates?
E yelled Get out! You can hear this on the leaked audio tape! And then you hear E screaming in the trend of No Xena or something like Oh god no! DM opened her door three times when she heard this! She should have called the police right away if someone yelled that loud!! You clearly hear E shouting!
I can understand that, my question is why would she call the police saying that her roommate had passed out? It was a quadruple murder with a knife, blood was even seen from outside the house!
@@Rebeccaco123 the 911 call wasn't released so we don't know who called and what was said. i saw people speculating that one of the roommates passed out from shock after seeing the scene and the other called 911 because of that
I love all the amateur "crime experts" in the comments saying they can't believe he drove his own car. As if rental cars or cars borrowed from friends are somehow untraceable. There are cameras everywhere now. The only way he could have traveled to the crime scene and back home completely undetected would be TELEPORTATION.
After watching many true crime documentaries over the years, one of my biggest takeaways has always been to *lock your doors* when sleeping at night/retiring to your room for the evening.
I was almost killed when I was 28. I was hiding under a blanket and he was standing right over me but did not see me. I thought I was going to be strangled to death. My heart was beating so load I could not hear anything. When you think your going to be attacked or die no one knows how they will react until it happens to them.
No you weren’t.
Shut up this about you
Not saying you’re lying but he couldn’t see the printed body under the cover?
@@byrontendo LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah you just made this up under a blanky😂
"If Bryan is the killer, his motive was based on obsession, revenge, and/or sexual domination, not because he was trying to plan the perfect murder." I agree completely, Dr. Grande.
Wasn't Bryan a part time security guard? , Why didn't he bring a gun. Unless the security agency suspected there something wrong in his mind.?🤔🤪
Yes; too many mistakes. He tried to feebly cover his tracks and a little planning, but all he had to do was:
Keep his cell at home
Park a mile or so from the scene. He does jog, so he's in shape
Scour the rooms to retrieve left-behind evidence
Finish off the witness if he in fact saw her
Any half-wit could figure this out. The ONLY thing missing that we're oblivious to is motive. But the other likely/tight facts could have been avoided.
I hope this guy gets a fair trial. Otherwise the arguments will go on for decades. We certainly can't rely on the media for self control.
@@Ultraviolence2024 we don't know that yet. Piquerism is a form of sexual interest, cutting people....
@@Ultraviolence2024 It was most definitely sexual in nature.
Thorough analysis. The female who witnessed the perp leave and failed to call police could have been suffering from "car hood" syndrome: you hear a strange engine noise, yet refuse to investigate, hoping it's not really a problem.
Oh fuck that's what it's called? I suffer from that.
“The female” - weird wording
Car hood syndrome 🤣😂🤣🤣😂
Rest In Peace Ethan, Xana, Kaylee and Maddie ♥️you did not deserve what happened to you. 💔
The Bible tells us that unexpected things happen to all of us. No they didn’t deserve it you’re right. But it wasn’t planned either.
I mean it wasn’t planned by God.
(Ecclesiastes 9:11,12)
What happened to the dog?
Did he kill dog?
@@tamitatangoto5134 too often people reject God because they think "why did God allow this to happen!". I don't believe it works that way, because I also believe in the Christian Faith and the worst monster alive could find redemption thru God. If that's true then God doesn't "allow" awful things to happen because he gave us free will and I don't see it like God is monitoring our every move all the time. If you're acting in sin, the Lord is probably not in your spirit and soul in the first place. It's very hard to explain and accept but I'm 40 and made tons of mistakes yet it gives me peace to believe it.
@@karenjohnson5792 no he did not not murphy anyway
Please remember that we are only being told what we're allowed to know. There's more to be revealed.
That smile @1:37 of the video says it all 😳
@@DrLuke49 the "no teeth" smile is a universal sign of crazy
Good point.
I'm hoping there's a super logical explanation for DM's non-reaction.
@Paul Thomas They left out a myriad of info.
From the numerous reports of this being a common party house, and two of the girls coming home from the bar + ordering late night food, Dylan likely concluded that the man she ran into was someone who the other 2 girls brought home from the bar or at the very least invited into the home. She locked the door because it was a strange man to her-any woman would do the same. As a roommate she’s privy to her other mates business, probably thought the other was drunk crying over her ex bf (that she had been drunk dialing all night). None of it is far fetched when you put yourself in young naive college aged kids shoes. No one should blaming this girl or questioning her.
Agreed, she didn’t lock her door because she knew her friends were murdered. She locked her door because a stranger was in her home.
I agree that no one should judge her. The facts concerning what she did that night are facts she provided to law enforcement voluntarily, to help them establish probable cause for Kohberger's arrest.
I disagree with normalizing not calling 911. We can suspend judgment about her, without saying it's "understandable" that a person would fail to call 911. You are supposed to call 911.
This crime has to be thoroughly investigated. It's tragic for the other roommates, but they have to be investigated. She can decline to be questioned further if this is bad for her mental health, but if a court subpoenas her, she will need to testify.
Exactly. It seems fairly common sense when you have roommates that they're gonna have people over you don't know. But common sense is something conspiracy theorists tend to not have
Maybe grande should do an episode on these conspiracy theorists.
Bryan was incel with no girlfriend and took his frustrations out on those girls
dude was wearing a mask though, hard to find an innocent reason for that
This whole series of events is absolutely horrible. Its so obvious that evil lurks among us in the most ordinary situations of daily life.
I totally agree! This killer existed surrounded by academic and therapeutic experts yet no one had a clue. He was even stopped by law enforcement and he escaped their radar. Though some accuse him of being a "sloppy" criminal, other crime scenes featured more physical evidence but failed to catch the murderer. Many assailants are deluded, believing they are above the law and superior to police. Homicide cases can go "cold" really fast. Families have to fight to continue investigations.
I just dont see how they did not find blood in the car fronm the victims. Or their blood anywhere. How is that possible
I have a 19 year old daughter at college. She's "sticks to herself" a lot. I could 100% see my daughter reacting similarly to DM. Unless my daughter saw something, or heard something criminal, she probably would've done the same thing, closed her door, locked it, and figured "everything is OK. I don't want to make a big deal out of this. It's probably nothing". There's absolutely no way the thought of "maybe 4 of my roommates were just killed and I should call the police" would ever enter her mind. It's easy for all of us, especially older people, to say "what we would've done" now understanding what took place, but that's not fair. This girl was cleared immediately by investigators and was helpful and truthful. Her description was very accurate. If she had anything to do with these murders or to hide, she could've just told police "I was sleeping. I didn't see or hear a thing", but she didn't. She was honest and told the police everything she could. This poor girl will undoubtedly live a lifetime with regret, survivors guilt, and a myriad of other emotions. Give her a break.
Exactly. Internet trolls would be calling for your daughter to "start taking her meds" after thinking that something like a quadruple stabbing could have just occurred. They'd be doing the same for DM if she had taken immediate action. DM is very clearly in a lose-lose situation here, amid public opinion. I wish her the best and I hope she's able to receive any help she needs.
She heard something
Bryan thinking that DM had called the police is one analysis I haven't heard anyone else use for the reason he didn't have the time to Kili her and why he sped away quickly. Thanks for your insight. The surviving room mates are very lucky to be alive, imo.
I'm wondering who called the police. It was a male voice.
Was it a male that called I thought they said it was a female I thought I herd
Never wake up a sleepwalker in his path while he holds a knife.
1) Dylan hears odd noises
2) Dylan Sees a man with a Black mask
3) Dylan waits 7-8 hours to contact police
4) Victoms Dog found at the crime scene alive
5) 1122 Kingman road "party house" Had multiple noise complaints
6) Multiple people some under age would come in go at the "party house"
7) TH-cam videos shows Bodycam footage of police talking to one of the victims about noise complaints
8) police went to the "party house" twice in one night due to noise complaints.
9) Bryan Kohberger asked police if he was the only one that's been arrested
Now until further Evidence/facts comes out I find it very odd that Dylan waited hours to contact the police. I find it very odd that the dog didn't bark at the stranger or if the dog would bark nobody in the house herd the dog barking.
Now to say Dylan froze up/Shocked for 7-8 hours is pathetic of an excuse. You don't become that mentally checked out bc you saw a man in a skii mask in the middle of the night. (IM NOT BUYING IT)
As for the multiple noise complaints and many party goers going in and out of the house I mean sure I get it if you get an noise complaint hear or there but it's unexcusable
To have multiple noise complaints and very unexcusable for the police to show up twice in one night.
So they obviously had some angry neighbors. You look on Google maps the party house is surrounded by a near by apartment buildings and multiple houses close by in my opinion there may be more then one suspect, the Dylan girl seems very suspect to me and as far as the evidence police has found. Went thru his father's trash and found DNA of what exactly?? Let's say he thru evidence away at his father's home on December 16th the day after him and his father was pulled over in Indiana.
If he thru evidence in his father's trash around that time how would they able to gather that DNA qhen the arrest happened December 30th?? Plus the trash gets picked up by the garbage man once a week Plus how would they able to match that DNA in the trash to the DNA in Idaho in such a small amount of time?? Maybe I'm not understanding this
Also Dylan see the suspect gets a visual of the suspect where a black mask and bushy eyebrows but yet experts claim it was to dark for the suspect to see Dylan ???
Yes, I haven't heard that hypothesis either, until now. Dr. Grande is very inquisitive. That's a very plausible possibility.
as a female, if I lived in a renowned party house, seeing unknown people at 4am and having a lock on my door, I'd lock myself in regardless of feeling scared or threatened or not. Better safe than sorry
I agree and I think that’s why she did that.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 if that's why, then she would have said that's why. Don't put words in her mouth. She froze, out of fear. Pretty sure that wasn't likely a normal routine for her, in her residence.
@@zzz7zzz9 I’m not “putting words” in anyone’s mouth.Maybe you should do sone more research
@@zzz7zzz9 you don’t know what happened,neither do I.Maybe she dud freeze,must have taken her hours to defrost 😳
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 we know what we've been told. It's been stated that she froze from fear. I doubt that was a nightly occurance, from all the supposed men going in and out of their revolving front door. And we have been told that one was scared of a stalker she had. They aren't letting random dudes enter at all hours if that was the case.
There's things we know, things that we've been told. Making up anything else, is pure speculation.
This case is such a nightmare. Poor kids. I hope family and loved one's can find peace someday.
I know there’s a lot of confusion as to why Dylan reacted the way she did. I’m glad so many people are still sympathizing with her while trying to understand her reactions. Obviously none of us can fully put ourselves in her shoes but we can try. Personally, a few months ago, I was alone in my dorm room as my roommate was away at her boyfriends and our room was unlocked as it always is (we don’t trust ourselves not to lose our keys and it’s really common at our school to leave the door unlocked). I woke up around 4am a random guy barging into my room, wearing all black with a backpack, and standing the middle of our room before he grabbed my roommates laundry basket. I was so sleepy and confused all I did was say “dude… wrong room” and he said “oh shit” and sprinted out, not even closing the door. I closed the door and went back to sleep. Looking back I cannot fathom why I didn’t freak out, especially as a young woman alone. I never reported it and I don’t know why I reacted the way I did. Perhaps it was bc I was barely awake or couldn’t process the danger I was in? I can only dylan being in a similar hard to understand mental state. We do weird things when we can’t process our surroundings.
Also, side note, I had been drinking that night and my understanding is Dylan likely was too. Perhaps the drowsiness and alcohol played a part. Her reaction doesn’t make my suspicious of her, more pity than anything, as I am sure she is beating herself up (undeservedly).
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Yes; agreed. Also: these are very young people. An older, wiser, more experienced adult would probably react very differently to someone being in his/ her space in the middle of the night.
love this comment! seeing people be suspicious and even downright blaming her for not calling the police immediately. the mask part is super depended on context-considering ethan stayed over often, it wasn’t totally unusual for other people to be there at night, and wearing a mask in someone else’s home when visiting isn’t weird at all these days. i think women also often tell themselves they’re overreacting, i think it’s possible she was scared but just pushed it away, because no one would expect such a horrible crime to occur just out of the blue. i just wish people would be more compassionate to the surviving roommates, they’ve just experienced a hugely traumatic event, being kind and understanding towards them is the least we can do
Lock your door sweetie, it could save your life.
I once fell asleep in my dorm room in daylight on top of the bed while studying. I woke up in the dark, standing, two or three feet from the side of the bed. This was the year that that Danny Rolling guy had murdered students in Florida but was not yet caught. I can’t say to this day whether the soft clunk I heard was right then or a sort of memory of what woke me - but I knew someone had just shut the door to my room. I also had a flashing sensation in my eyes despite the dark. It was a long, narrow room - window behind me, door in front of me, everything totally dark. I had an intense urge to not be trapped at the back of the room and rushed forward. A couple of feet from the door, just in the alcove between door and closet, I passed through what I can only describe as a column of warm air: i do not recall smelling anything, but I knew for certain it was exactly where someone had stood. I even knew it was a make, and how much taller than me.
I opened the door and stepped out into the corridor. It was very quiet. Even the drunks and party animals were asleep. All of this took just four or five seconds. A guy coming from the dead end of the corridor a few rooms down. He had to have passed the last room-doors, reached the fire escape door and realised it was alarmed, so he’d turned and was starting back.
Still fuddled by sleep, I strode out along the corridor and we both stopped at the only turnoff, where there was a eight angle short corridor to elevator and stairs. He was well muscled: as I looked at his biceps at my face level, I said he didn’t live here, and he politely, blandly, agreed. And just stood there waiting. There followed a bizarre exchange where I offered him reasons why he was on this floor - visiting a friend, got out the elevator in the wrong floor, got lost etc - and he politely declined each one.
This was getting a bit Red Riding Hood. He was wearing his tanktop rolled jp almost to his nipples, one of the narcissist fads of that year, showing his daunting sixpack. My brain FINALLY got into gear and I realised I was even standing well within his (much longer) reach. I stepped back, turned and hustled back up the corridor, and he moved almost as fast away towards the elevator & stairs. Cursing myself for doing the stupidest thing ever, back in my room I called the building security.
They told me I probably had a bad dream. Nobody came along to check anything. I was a foreigner there. All of us Europeans were already incredulous at the lack of security in the dorms - horrified at the “herd book” at reception - but the locals seemed oblivious to security.
I got back from class the following afternoon to find a message from the city (not campus) police, and when I called they asked me to go down there. The officer (or deputy,, I have no idea) an older man, got me to describe what happened and then describe the guy: he had an unusual detail about his face, and when I mentioned it, I saw the officer knew it very well. In the days that followed, half a dozen people told me of their encounters with this guy (how he bumped someone’s desk as he came round the room corner and calmly picked up and put back a pen that rolled off) and half a dozen others told me of other people who had been assaulted by him. He had been prowling for weeks. Remember, the Florida murderer of students had not been detected yet.
The university at no time alerted students about this or any other prowler.
I can imagine Bryan's astonishment when he returned to the scene of his crime and there was zero law enforcement activity. I cannot wrap my head around the lapse of time before 911 was called and the possibility of victim resuscitation had it been sooner than later. Excellent breakdown of this disturbing case Dr Grande. Thank you!
Thank you, Dr Grande, for being a very reliable and accurate source of information on groundbreaking crime stories. Subscribing to your channel has made it much easier to get the latest information on these cases without having to sift through questionable internet news websites.
Guess where grande his info from?
That's pathetic I can watch the news and get same information were he got it lame
Kind of a creepy voice and analysis...just saying!
@@ruthmajor6566 Doc Grande is rather monotonic and demonstrates little if any facial inflections when discussing emotional hot points. The makings of an objective researcher with an impeccable "poker face." 🤓
Not too accurate as he reported Dylan's room was on the 1st floor, per the affidavit, her room was on the SECOND floor. Very important detail to get incorrect.
There was no mention of Dylan seeing a bloody knife in a hand of the man she saw. Why would she think he just killed her friends? She seems to have gotten an extremely uncomfortable feeling about this person, so she locked her door. Also, we don't know how much her door was open...maybe just a couple inches...& the man wouldn't have noticed. He was probably in such a state of mind from what he'd just done....he had to get out of there quickly.
Most of us don't think " a stranger...he probably just viciously stabbed my roommates."
Exactly! I've been saying this ever since it came out in the news that they didn't immediately call the police. Everyone is viewing this retrospectively. We all know multiple people were killed, but she had no way of knowing it at the time. Who checks on their roommates every morning to make sure they're still alive? That's not a thing people do.
Good point. Without the sheath, where might the knife be?? Genuine question.
A strange man dressed in all black and wearing a mask walking towards you in your own home is terrifying. According to the affidavit, she said she froze in fear and then closed and locked her bedroom door. That indicates she was afraid. I suspect 1) The initial time provided by LE was a red herring to protect the witness which is consistent with what they did by reporting they were both on the first floor. 2) I disagree with Dr. Grande in that the acute stress response could have led into a trauma arousal cycle which can last hours or days-like a fugue state. A response to fear can be much stronger for someone with a history of trauma or a mental condition.
@@aheineman9138she could see his eyebrows so the mask may have been a surgical mask... in times of covid that doesnt seem too unusual.
@@alexanderlindsey4066 She reportedly heard someone say "somebody is in the house." That is unusual. She them hears crying, then sees a strange man dressed in black, enough to cause her to lock her door out of pure fright. That is also unusual. If all that is accurate (which I doubt) then we can try to make sense of how a young 20 something girl might react. But we also have to understand humans of that age do things that are simply illogical, to which there is no good explanation. It is what it is.
If I was in Dylan’s position I would have not only frozen but would have also run back to my room and locked the door and I’m 100% sure the shock would have caused me to faint afterwards. Stress does a number on some people in the face of danger. Sad story indeed..
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I agree but I also think she had absolutely no idea what had happened. There is no way I would ever think four of my friends had been murdered while I was in the same house with them. She could have assumed the masked person was a friend of one of the others there in the house & put the mask on because he was going outside & it was obviously very cold with snow everywhere. She locked her room door to prevent any more "visitors" from coming into her room. Then she went to sleep & I'm sure didn't wake up till very late in the morning. jmo
@@ceelobrown8606you’re right in saying it doesn’t make sense, but it doesn’t change anything. I doubt she she was involved in it , it’s far more likely she’s just kind of stupid.
@@ceelobrown8606 she could have called her housemates or someone else, behind her locked door.
Simple answer is a combination of shock and intoxication.
I’m surprised how many people think he was set up, or just enjoy turning things into conspiracies. This is a solid case. I don’t think he was thinking too clearly while planning this so made all those mistakes. It’s very disturbing & just sad.
Some people are just contrarians
Yeah. People are not used to an open and shut case.
He was on a mission...he had planned this, was enraged of the 'haves' and he was one of the 'have nots'...he had issues relating to ANYONE, honestly. He's been 'sick' for a LONG TIME. I believe he became obsessed with killing and getting revenge for whatever he felt, MANY years ago. He tried to fit in, by doing many things, and he snapped.
I see the majority of people just saying he’s innocent until
Proven guilty. I notice the true crime community online assumes an arrest automatically equates to guilt, which isn’t always the case
Just cause people like me are giving bryan a fair shake to prove his case Doesn't mean we are conspiracy theorists!
He had moved to Washington in June and had until November 30 to change his registration to Washington from PA. I thought that seemed fishy at first too but it's not actually. He did meticulously clean the car out the police say and wore surgical gloves to empty the garbage at his parent's house and even took their trash to a neighbor's can instead of using his family's garbage can! That says "guilty" to me! No one does that!
I agree in context, but I have done each of those things. I wash my hands after taking the trash out, but wearing gloves isn’t a stretch. When I clean my car it is top to bottom. And my neighbor and I often use each other’s trash cans. If mine is filled and my neighbor’s isn’t it costs money to add an extra trash bag to mine but nothing if neighbor’s isn’t filled. So, yeah, all together it seems odd, but not individually.
Why would he do this weeks after the murder and not immediately.
@@nickh.4917 agree. I would add that a cross-country car trip can leave a vehicle pretty messy. I have not read anywhere that the car was cleaned in PA vs somewhere else. Only that it was meticulously cleaned. If his intention was to destroy evidence, seems like he would not have waited a whole month to clean the car. Perhaps he cleaned the car twice. His movements on Nov 13th include several hours in the Lewiston area. I wonder if that is when he cleaned the car, and perhaps tossed the knife into the Snake River.
Well, consider they just drove across the country and that car looked visibly filthy, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on cleaning the car. He could've cleaned it closer to the date of murder instead of at his parents house, because during the month led up to him driving to PA, he still had to drive that car to school. As for wearing gloves to take the trash out, I do the same because I usually have to double check if I've separated all the recycle items from the regular disposal pile so I wore gloves to prevent my hands from getting dirty, then tying up the bags again and grabbing them to the communal recycling bins. Not defending BK by any means, just saying those two incidents are easily explainable and quite common.
The DNA on the knife sheath is what says "guilty" to me.
There is so much evidence there's no way this guy gets away with it. One of the dumbest crimes I've ever seen, he might as well had taken a selfie while at it
Thank you for standing up for the victim who didn't call the police. Some people really do seem to lack the empathy to see the various reasons why someone would react in that way.
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I woke to to a man’s face pressed up against my window TWICE….did I Call the police? No. I froze, but then rationalized that it wasn’t that big of a deal bc he left. And I didn’t have a description so I rationalized that they wouldn’t be able to do anything. After I moved from that apartment I realized how dumb it was not to call police…I personally think she was impaired. I read somewhere where she was at the fraternity party with Xana and Dylan.
My guess is Dylan either went into a freeze state OR she found the guy in the house extremely freaky & scary but was so used to it being a party house full of strangers she didn’t know whole story & just felt a roommate had a huge creepy creep over & chalked it up to that. I don’t think humans can always compute something that bad can happen when they don’t truly think it can happen to them in their life.
Biggest question I truly have is why he left her alive.
Perhaps he was that exhausted or didn’t see her. It also occurs to me he felt the cops were already called & just tried to exit stealthy but then sped away as soon as out. It’s so creepy - that detail.
I wonder if he said something to her, maybe told her he would be watching, so don’t call the cops. The affidavit is missing a lot of details, they easily could have left that out. I do think it’s because he found his target, though.
I believe that Kohberger did not see the roommate when she seen him. That's the only thing that makes sense. Because he wouldn't have left her alive had he seen her.
No matter how you cut it, it doesn’t make sense. He had a knife and was wearing a mask. So why and how would Dylan assume it was all okay?
Come on the moment he leaves all the room mates r dead ??? I would said that first before anything not wait til someone in custody now she still has to go to court to identify him
Drunk out of her mind is all !!
Regarding Dylan’s behaviour - it was stated she froze when she saw the intruder. One can speculate as to her behaviour afterwards but I think it’s important to remember that not all the information was provided in the PCA. We will have to wait for her testimony in the trial to hear the full story.
I believe her.
I have not been getting your videos in my suggestions prior to today. I’m so glad I finally did! I’ve missed your dry humor. It makes these horrific topics bearable
Hi from Spain Dr. Grande....we love your videos over here!! What a heart-breaking case...my heart goes out to the family members who lost those precious kids...kids that were doing everything right...❤
Hindsight bias makes it seem to us that she should have immediately called 911 but she only had limited information at the time 1. She lived in a party house with probably many late night guests 2. She only heard crying and someone playing with a dog. 3. Many people are still wearing face masks. 4. We don't know what she meant by "frozen shock phase" could have just meant she was creeped out to suddenly see a man there and briefly froze. Normalcy bias is a common cognitive distortion where we minimize a potential threat so she likely just rationalized it away and went to bed.
That makes the most sense to me too.
maybe she passed out
My father was an alcoholic. When bad things happened, I went into denial mode. So, once I hired a handyman my friend recommended. Little did I know he was a thief! So, he went outside and came in through a window that was also a door and I met him in my hallway. I froze. In some part of my brain, I knew he should NOT be coming in through my window and should have come in through the front door, but I froze and said nothing. Later when I realized he had stolen valuable rings from me that my mother-in-law had given me in case I needed to sell them at some point I realized that freezing may have saved my life. I know some people would have questioned the guy or yelled at him. Instead, I froze. I was grateful for that reaction because I lived alone in a secluded place and if he killed me the woods were behind my house. No one would have known it was him. He could have escaped easily. If Dylan had some sort of childhood abuse that could have happened to her too. Maybe it saved her life too?
Thank you! Saved me typing all this out myself. She was probably used to randos being in the house a lot and even though he creeped her out enough to lock her door never in a million years would have guessed a bunch of her flatmates had just been murdered. I mean, who WOULD assume that? Not many people, IMO.
Sees a masked intruder, hears loud thuds and admits she was frozen in fear. She admitted that. So how could she sleep for 6 hours unscathed. She never called police so your explanation doesn't add up. Much like D's recounting of her actions. The defense will use this with abject glee.
When I was Dylan's age, I was very niave. I had a man come to my apartment and was insisting he needed to come in. I told him no and shut the door quickly, locked it and then sat on my couch scared with a big pair of scissors (it was all I had.) He came back with a knife, insisting he needed to find his uncle. I did not open the door, but I told him his uncle wasn't there and that I didn't know his uncle. I was terrified, but I didn't call the police because in my young mind I thought the police would be mad because the guy was not there anymore and I thought maybe I could get in trouble. I think my reluctance was being niave and inexperienced. Now, I wouldn't hesitate to call police. I could also imagine that Dylan convinced herself that nothing happened because how often to horrible things like that happen, she didn't go look because she didn't want to know and if she saw something truly horrible she didn't think she could handle it, so she waited. Then when it got later and later she called others over because she didn't want to see the reality of what she feared. I don't know....that is how I could imagine feeling in her situation. My heart is so heavy for her.
Guy at your front door with knife? You're an Idiot for Not calling the cops!!!
I doubt it she probably thought it was nothing and went back to bed and I don't blame her it's not her fault or at least it seems that way with the evidence currently.
this never happned
This story you shared something worse than naïveté and you probably need to get your head checked out by the good doctor
Exactly i agree with all you say here.
Thanks for giving us a concise overview on what’s going on in this case, Dr G.
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I would not judge Dylan. I theorize that she got spooked seeing an unfamiliar man in the house, however strangers came in and out of this house all the time -especially on the weekend. If he was wearing a surgical-type mask rather than a balaclava this is no longer such a suspicious or alarming thing to see someone wearing. She was probably relieved to watch him leave, felt secure enough locked in her room, and hearing no more noises assumed that whatever that was about it could wait until the morning to discuss with roommates. Maybe she thought she was over-reacting by being scared. If she was intoxicated this may also cloud her judgment and perception of the situation and make her drowsy. I can't see any reason she would have nefarious or negligent intentions. I believe we just haven't learnt the full context of her state-of-mind. I hope she is doing okay.
I would judge Dylan. Not as as an accessory to murder but as no one I would ever want to live with, work with or associate with.
If she felt unsafe, why didn't she call the police? Something is not adding up.
Additionally, if they'd all been out till 2:00am or later and had been drinking, it's reasonable to assume that they would sleep in late the next morning.
The way we hope we behave when we have all the facts is very different to the way we behave when we don’t, we all want to be heroes but when you come face to face with a stranger in your home in the early hours self preservation must kick in. If keyboard warriors want to query the girls behaviour, just be grateful that it wasn’t you that had that choice to make. A different choice might have led to there being 6 fatalities.
Imagine being her and how close she was to being a victim herself. She will need therapy to cope, poor girl.
I watched a friend spiral towards madness when his meds became unavailable. He lost his longtime job when his employer retired and shut down his business. His job was a lot of his identity. Then he lost his benefits for his prescriptions. Unmedicated his new wife saw how "strange" he had become. She went for divorce. Now unmedicated he spiralled down. He snapped. Took an ax and killed her and her adult daughter and then chickened out on killing himself. He made it in the world without hurting anyone for 50 years. Had he been able to have easy access to meds I think he might have made it. Maybe... Now doing life without parole. His name is Charles Nettlebeck. One day...A few hours...A stressful situation...things go terribly wrong. Lots of seemingly normal people out there in life are very much on the edge....
And often a later onset of schizophrenia, or similar mental disorders. BK may have gotten by due to his structured environment and parental coddling.
So awful and also so bad that people can’t just get the meds they need:( I met a guy who ended his own after losing benefits which is super sad though at least he didn’t take any other lives.
That correlates more closely with a lot of other homocide cases though. The snap and killing of the partner/family member. But stalking a house and being methodical in the way this guy has is less common.
I’m sorry you had to experience this. You make very good points.
He's a low life who blamed his murder on everything else but him.
I think it is possible, but i dont think he was exhausted. I only base this on other cases where many more people were attacked over a longer period of time. (i refer to the japanese man who stabbed 45 in roughly 30 minutes). Rather, i think because bryan had visited the area numerous times and based on social media, he was expecting only females. Ethan's presence meant he couldnt be sure if guys were in the other rooms as well. So he left.
It relates to individual endurance.
Just a suggestested opinion. Maybe if there truly was a loud scream by either Maddie or Kaylee that roommates/neighbors could have heard, that alleged suspect BK did not plan on, he then high-tailed it out of there, scared of being caught more than killing witnesses, plans went awry & he booked it out of there regardless.
Bro he was trying to get away with it. The exhaustion the sweat. The disheveled moves. He’s also doing the crime in a mask likely. Could he have gotten the other two. Most definitely. They’re holding something back still
Geddoe, also consider that he killed several healthy, un-intimidating, people for probably the first time. And up-close and intimately. Even if you think something like this through, if it is your first time you aren't aware of the intensity of the situation and how it is going to overwhelm you. I think after he killed the first person he was already struggling to function because did not keep up with where the sheath was. I feel like he fled the scene because he carried the bloody knife back to the car thinking he left the sheath in the car. And when he could not find it he tried to think where it was and could not remember anything. At that point the Phd Student realised murder ain't easy.
He was so messed up that he even went back the next day. One thing known by every detective, Criminals very often go back to the scene of the crime. He had to have been taught that, and knew to stay away. He was freaked-out about the evidence he had left behind.
I think Bryran Krohbrerger could have stabbed hundreds of people if he wanted to. It isn't really that much exercise. I think he left because the other two were accomplices.
Hello Dr Grande ❤️...it is always so interesting to hear your perspective on these cases and your analysis. Thank you Dr Grande ❤️
The most surprising thing for me is that this would be his first offence. Usually people like this start "small," with animals, or isolated loners. But this was a big time quadruple murder and home break in. They would be more likely to offend in their own home or in a "safer" place our of the way somewhere. Could it be that this isn't his first, but just his first mistake.
Dont forget that most serial killers get better at killing after their first victims, this must be hist first time in regards to how sloppy he left the crime scene.
His being vegan and this crime make me think he is just a violent misanthrope and stalker, he is so scary and I hope he never gets out.
With all his professional knowledge of criminology why not start at the top?
@@bettybanaszak5748 more noise. People at he bottom will be altered quickly to the ruckus upstairs.
There are many unsolved murders out there. It is possible he has already killed someone like a homeless person, sex worker, I would say a single individual. It does seem odd to start with 4 people.
Strange to think that Bryan Kohberger is less than a mile away from me in the courthouse. Strange that someone on TH-cam is talking about the town I live in and the school I attend. In a town this small. This is a surreal time in my life, I'm sure others in the town feel the same way. Thanks Dr. Grande ❤️ I appreciate your calm, objective views on this case. I think it's important work that you do, it can help prevent things like this from happening again by teaching us some warning signs. No one expected this, I'm sure they did feel safe with so many people but it's wise to be cautious.
Stay safe. Crazy world. Prayers to your town for healing n closure
I grew up in a college town very similar to Moscow, down to population size. Many people have no idea of the safe, small town atmosphere. It's not urban at all. Pretty much everybody has mutual acquaintances (or relatives!). This whole thing is a horrible aberration. Moscow is still a good town, a safe town, no matter what.
How I felt when he was caught in the Poconos
Love your take on this case, by far the best i've seen thank you for your dedication love your videos ❤️
The best. 🌵Thanks for distilling this information. I was waiting for you to do it.
I am so freaked out that the first floor roommate saw a man in black with a mask, striding through the hallway, totally frightening her, and then went out the back sliding door, and the roommate didn’t call 911 for almost 7 hours. My heart breaks with the thought that some of those roommates could’ve been breathing, possibly still alive, for all those hours. 😯
I'm sure she had no idea they were hurt. We know what happened to those 4, but she didn't at the time. It's not something that would occur to most people, especially when they were used to seeing a lot of different people in the house.
@@les0101s but she heard someone say someone is in the house 😮
@@whitneywhitney8356 Nobody screamed for help. It was quiet after she shut her door, so she assumed all was okay. Just a thought 🤷🏻♀️
@@whitneywhitney8356 so what? That may not have been very out of the ordinary for them if she heard someone screaming and violence than it would be her fault but I don't see what she did wrong here.
@@whitneywhitney8356 it was a party house. If the person saying this didn’t sound alarmed she could have thought they were just saying that in response to a person coming over. It wasn’t unusual for randos to be in the house.
It’s depressing that there’s a possibility one of the victims was still alive but slowly dying.
And had the police been called a life could have been saved. The roommate not calling the police, even after going through the period of shock and her behavior after are concerning. I feel for the families of the victims who can’t help but wonder if maybe.
@@Mom4DVJustice you sure do hold strong opinions for someone who's likely never been in this situation. You can speculate all you want but until you've been in her shoes and YOU respond how YOU expect her to, you should maybe extend a bit of grace to her situation.
@@Marymackthequeenofwack please. This will definitely be brought up by the defense, and the jury will want to hear from her. I certainly feel for the 4 victims who lost their lives, and their families. I can empathize certainly with them and how that must feel. Of course the discussion here is speculation. However, these behaviors were indicated on the probable cause documents. Not speculative. Our opinions based on these documents and the details in them. I found her behavior and actions to be concerning prior to those documents coming out by calling her friends to come out before the police, 9 hours after the murders and then when affidavit was released, the additional details were outright shocking. so you can take a seat you’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I’m not going to attack you for them. BTW nobody has been through her situation. Not to judge jury or the attorneys.
@@Mom4DVJustice miss ma'am you can sit your ass on down "it's about how we FEEL"...there's your problem, it's not about feelings it's about FACTS. You expect that you are entitled to your *opinions* dogging out someone who's no doubt drowning in survivors guilt and here come yall in the peanut gallery with these strong opinions based on what? An affidavit statement and your feelings? GTFOH
@@Marymackthequeenofwack LMAO 🤪
He could not have known how many people were in the house at the time. Kaylee had already moved out two weeks before and Ethan was just staying over. So I tend to think he was interested in Maddie, but the others were potential witnesses, which may have surprised him far beyond his plans. It might have been too dark to see DM, but we don't know that.
Maddie and Xana worked in a vegan place supposedly. Kohberger being a hardcore vegan might have been in there, said something creepy and they were mean to him. Who knows
@@butt. Why would you assume they were mean to him? Saying "no" or not agreeing with something isn't being mean.
Thank you for more videos Dr. Grande!
To me, it seems clear that she just didn't realize what had happened. After seeing a stranger in her home, she was likely suspicious that something bad happened. And terrified to go investigate. But she also probably convinced herself that she was overreacting and didn't want to call the police over something unnecessary. And I think it's likely that one of the women upstairs woke up and screamed. He was so panicked that he forgot his knife sheath. Whether he saw her or not, he had one goal on his mind that that point. To get away as quickly as possible.
I can see that, but what is hard to understand is it taking so long to call LE / 911, and calling friends first, further delaying LE getting there. I suspect that they were getting rid of a drug cache.
Also she heard one of the roommates crying.
Dude with a ski mask in the house!
@@gtrance3567 wasn’t a ski mask If she saw his eyebrows. More than likely a mask that you see people wear when covid was a thing
@@jannuzijannuzicharlescharl3260 only thing i can think of is that her phone was not in the room with her and she didn’t want to leave because of fear
It's comforting to know that one of Brian's tutors described him as having a 'brilliant mind'. So brilliant in fact, that a whole department of Academic's, (full time occupation studying crime & criminal behaviour) didn't notice the [allegedly] homicidal psychopathic killer amongst them.
@@bethloureiro2648There's a massive difference between theory & practice. Most academics I've met couldn't change a lightbulb.
@@derekrushton1705 Exactly this. Some of the stupidest people I've met were in my college cohort. They just had good grades their whole lives because they were good at memorising things for exams, but when it came to higher thinking most of them had the brains of a 14 year old.
His criminology academic focus was technology. I am confused how he would not know on the night in question and all the nights prior to have his computer linked to his phone’s hotspot at home while watching a 3-hour-long Bollywood flick-because that keeps the phone active and traceable to the location a perp would want it to be, not where he actually is. Why did he drive his car knowing Ring/store/parking lot/street surveillance cameras would all pick this up the night in question and the nights prior? Why not put glue on his, eyebrows and cover them, with concealer like the drag Queens do? Why use a knife with a sheath he has handled with his bare hands when it is clear he knows where to get gloves. Why talk? Why leave witnesses alive, because it isn’t like he ran out of bullets? Did he just get bored, with killing and decided he’d call it a day? If I wanted frame him, I’d take his phone and car when he was asleep and establish a surveillance pattern near the house, then, on the night in question, pay some meth head to walk through the house and spook the roommate to make sure she saw the eyebrows. So many mistakes from a PhD criminology student is definitely going to cause a decrease in enrollment in that school, because apparently nobody learns anything there.
@@Onomastique so maybe it was the perfect crime committed by another criminology graduate student who knew and chose to frame BK🤔jk…I think;)
Well said. I agree. He's so guilty. The stupid mistakes he made are laughable. I hope he gets life. Execution would be too kind. Let him rot in the joint.
Dr Grande your voice is calming and reassuring! Thanks for keeping your channel classy ! You’re one of the few I follow on this ❤
Is it possible these days to TEXT to 911? I feel like we should get on that. I wouldn’t want to talk out loud while there was someone in my house. Waiting hours....idk about that part...but I wouldn’t call in the moment, for sure.
The case against Bryan seems extremely strong just from the probable cause documents, and apparently that is just the beginning of what the prosecution has against Bryan . I feel so bad for all of the families of the victims and the parents of Bryan
well said. I believe the police have a lot more unimpeachable evidence than has been presented to date. equally it'll be interesting to hear the defense side
unless his parents knew, I feel bad for them too. his dad seemed completely oblivious in that car ride during the police stop.
I just hope they r saving his blood, if he got cut, as a surprise in court and also if they find any evidence of blood most likely in the car.
I feel so bad that this has only got national attention because it involve pretty white girls. Indigenous girls from the northwest are lost and never get the attention these people got. So very sad how this nation only cares for it's pretty white girls like Gabby Patito.
@@orokusaki8670 his dna on the knife sheath is not circumstantial
Curious to know if BK returned to the scene the following morning to observe if his crime had been discovered yet or to search the area for his missing knife sheath.
Yes, he returned in the 9am hour.
So the killer went back to the crime scene after what he done. I wonder why. Scary.
@@tablelandstranquillity5008 He wanted to know why it hadn’t made the news yet.
@@tablelandstranquillity5008 I've heard that it is not at all unusual for a killer to return to the crime scene at least once. And that law enforcement will likely stake out the crime scene afterwards for just that reason.
He probably thought the cops would have been there already. Obviously he was wrong.
Excellent work. And congratulations on the positive decoration changes in the background! The big cactus now being in the middle of the table creates a much more peaceful atmosphere on the table. And it gives me great peace of mind as the situation with it being on the side of the table didn’t sit right with my a**!
Very exhaustive, organized, and comprehensive analysis based on what are available so far. Thank you for the video!
This is the first time I’ve heard about a DoorDash delivery at 4am. I’m sure detectives researched and investigated the driver, but that is weird that the murders coincidently happened so close to the delivery time. All of the sudden, now we’re learning a roommate saw him and DD delivered around the same time. Very strange.
It's been surmised that he surely didn't plan for a food delivery, throwing off his whole plan. I imagine him watching and waiting for the lights to finally go out, then up rolls Uber Eats. I relish the idea that he was frustrated and pissed at that point and had to wait it out. Then I guess he couldn't remain patient and went in anyway. And made some more sloppy, helpful mistakes.
That is likely how he entered without any forced entry. The doors were locked, as all girls are now home for the night. But xana ordered doordash at 4am. She went down to get it, and likely forgot to lock the door again, when she closed it. The killer might have already been parked nearby, then he found the door unlocked when he checked it.
Imagine if the defense claims the delivery guy killed them...
@@Flotter-Flo wouldn't shock me doordash people are normally violent people i work at a resturant and they get violent fast.
@@oni2437 I'm sure LE has thoroughly vetted him..
The first call to 911 wasn't made until nearly *eight hours* after the roommate saw him in the house. Surveillance from the area picked up audio of the dog barking, she had to have heard that if she was able to hear the words "I think someone is here", and "its okay, I'm going to help you".
I ignore my dogs barking all the time. But once when the dog was barking mad for atleast 40 minutes straight, i looked out and saw a peeping tom. Also, there are two roommates here. One didnt hear anything
What motive would she have??????
I don’t know how she could have ignored the dog barking for that many hours. I read he was shut in a room? The poor thing.
Yeah…. And I think it’s weird that when she called 911 she said that her roommate was unconscious. Why didn’t she say that there was blood everywhere and she was murdered ?there’s a big difference.
Thankyou Dr Grande, no waffling just straight to the main points plus sarcasm. Love it.
Great analysis once again, Dr. Grande. I have a few things that I've been thinking about. First, returning near the house that morning after the murders tells me that he wanted to recover the sheath that he'd forgotten in the chaos of the killings. Then he realized that entering it in broad daylight was not possible. Remember that BTK returned to one victim to recover a gun he'd left behind. Secondly, moving the Elantra to PA. This points to trying to throw authorities off his scent beyond the shadow of a doubt, in my opinion. He probably figured that soon enough he'd be contacted since it was all over the news that the white Elantra was critical in the case. Lastly, the roommate Dylan (DM) who didn't make a call until late that morning could've done so for so many reasons. I believe that the affidavit might've been intentionally vague when it came to DM's interaction with the killer because revealing more might compromise the ongoing investigation. She certainly could've been on drugs, in shock, disbelieving that a quadruple murder could've just possibly happened, etc. She might've even thought that the guy was really one of the girls' guy friends, and since it was wintertime, he had every right to be wearing a mask. But I am sure that more is coming down the pipe, and that authorities know much more than we do by now. They've had time to start searching everywhere, including Bryan's apartment, his parents', Bryan's computer, etc. So I'm with you. I think he's guilty as well.
I think this was a case study for him. I think he wanted to observe an investigation from the point of view of being the only person that knows the truth to see how accurate the investigation was along with the media coverage. Based on the creepy survey he put out for his thesis, I think this is a likely scenario.
Ambrose your synopsis is 💯🔥
Spot On!🩷
I think that is all true! Only thing I'd add is that I think he also wanted to EXPERIENCE the feelings and thoughts someone has while committing these crimes. Those were questions in his Reddit questionnaire and I don't think the answers he received fully satiated his need to understand. The only way he felt he could truly get answers to his questions was to do the acts himself.
I would not be surprised if the prosecution brings that out this was just a study for him
I mean, I feel like there's a better way to go about it aside from killing multiple people. Although if true, it does hint at sociopathic tendencies... and a dedication to experimentation.
This is a horrific case. I think they did feel safe with so many people in the house, Sadly someone did not secure the door. The motive is still to be found, yet I believe he is a vegan or vegetarian and Maddie and Xana were waitresses at a Vegan Dinner, so this could be the connection. It has been stated that he has been asked to leave from a different establishment due to his behaviour towards a member of staff. He got angry at the waitress for not answering all his questions. Angry enough to be asked to leave by management!!!! The evidence is extreme against him, and insane really considering he was studying for his masters in criminology - or crime. He MUST have known better regarding covering his crime, he was incredibly sloppy, which was such a bonus for the police who had him on their radar within days of this crime. RIP Maddie, Xana, Ethan and Kaylee. Thoughts go to the family and friends of these poor students. It is awful to be murdered in your bed - where you should feel safest and are at your most vulnerable!!! I hope he gets the death penalty - if anyone deserves it - he does.
He won't get death he will somehow escape the death penalty or a plea deal to spare his life
I couldn't agree more
Psychopaths don’t really need a motive, they kill for pleasure and thrill.
A motive would be nice but it’s not needed
I think that the criminal in him overpowered the criminologist and he committed huge mistakes because murdering four people is not something rational. The "madness" and random circumstances it implies is not something you can totally control ! thanks it is not too common among the population .... this four young people killed with no motives is beyond my understanding, maybe another crazy grandiose BS Incel ???
Always love your content, Dr. Grande!
You provided some very good insight which I had not considered. You always provide an excellent analysis.
Bravo Dr Grande, you are my "go-to" when analyzing these situations. Well done, as always.
A very detailed & complete analysis based on what is known & has been revealed to this point. I appreciate your efforts, Dr. Grande!
You did an excellent job organizing and presenting the affidavit than anyone I've heard yet. 👏
It probably was not unusual for strangers to be in the house on occasion hence DM was not alarmed after she heard "someone's here." Perhaps she wasn't sure of what she heard or was which explains why she didn't call police right away. They all need our prayers.
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I appreciate this thoughtful, detailed and bullet point representation of the facts. So many questions were answered for me. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
Dr. Grande, your analysis of the witness and the accused's reactions are the most in-depth to date. Thank you for your insights. Warm greetings from South Africa.
Good morning Dr. Grande, Appreciate your update and analysis on this horrific, unthinkable tragedy-hoping the families that lost their loved ones receive justice in the courts.
Dylan's reaction saved her life. If she'd screamed, he'd probably have killed her. Perhaps we'll find out why she didn't call the police.
She didn't call the police because she didn't witness a crime. Why is this so hard for people to understand?! She saw a creepy guy walking down her hall, so she locked her bedroom door. That's it. He could have been one of her roommate's late-night hookups for all she knew.
@@gordongekko2781 exactly!!!
@@gordongekko2781 they all had boyfriends so that’s wrong
@@gordongekko2781 Agree. Apparently she did not see the deaths nor did they call her name for help. Waiting until 11AM to call was baffling, but I doubt she wanted to bother Kaylee them on a Sunday morning. Privacy or something. Looks like no one goes to bed there until well after midnight on weekends.
@dbaisy6094 It was a party house. Regardless, the police have beaucoup info which is not being released to secure an appeal-proof conviction.
As always , phenomenal content from Doctor Grande
Such a great update, thank you Dr. Grande
I think Dr.G’s last reason (Bryan being exhausted or assuming police had already been called) makes the most sense for why Dylan or the other roommate were ignored. I do think the affidavit may not be telling the whole story, but it certainly cast Dylan in a questionable light which is unfortunate for her.
He entered on the first floor, but avoided a lone girl down there. One who is under everyone else and the least likely to be heard. Then he goes up to the second floor and kills two in one room but leaves a lone person. It would have made more sense to target the one who's room he has to go by to go upstairs. Instead he went to the room that is farther away. Then he went upstairs, to two who wouldn't have likely heard anything downstairs. He could have killed four already, without going to the third floor.
Agree - killer was likely “satisfied” and probably also exhausted after killing 4 young adults. The randomness of being both a witness and survivor definitely would mess with one’s mind. A 20 year old in middle of night possibly impaired and afraid isn’t likely to think critically or clearly. What a Nightmare.
I think it is possible, but i dont think he was exhausted. I only base this on other cases where many more people were attacked over a longer period of time. (i refer to the japanese man who stabbed 45 in roughly 30 minutes). Rather, i think because bryan had visited the area numerous times and based on social media, he was expecting only females. Ethan's presence meant he couldnt be sure if guys were in the other rooms as well. So he left.
@@zzz7zzz9 I feel like I’ve heard multiple specialists say they thought Bryan may have entered from an upper level?
@@llkellenba Yes, I agree. We should not pass any type of negative energy towards Dylan. Her brain and nervous system was protecting her. I’m imaging being her mind and trying to discern which parts of what she saw were true. Was that a dream? Am I sleepwalking? Was I drugged last night? Am I safe? It’s quiet. Am I safe? I’ll take a look. Did I just see that? I’m not sure. It’s quiet….” No one better say anything negative towards Dylan. Let’s launch a ‘Get Off Dylan’s Back’ campaign. I’m sure she was spiraling into dissociation.
DM was sleeping on the 2nd floor, according to the affidavit, not the first floor, I believe. This is important because she was able to hear Kaylee G. and also saw the perpetrator walk towards her, pass by her, and walk towards the sliding door exit, also on the 2nd floor. It's confusing, because the media has been telling us that both of the survivors were on the first floor, and that the other bedroom on the second floor was not occupied that night. The affidavit says otherwise...
Correct. DM took the 2nd floor bedroom that had become vacant when a roommate moved out after graduation.
Thank you for clarifying this. I’ve been confused about this the past few days. Always thought she was on the first floor, but I stand corrected.
Yes, what people don't understand is that the main floor is really the 2nd floor, and it has an old core and a new wing joined together. The old part connects to the lower split level referred to as the 1st floor. And the new part of the 2F connects to the 3F.
Don't call youtube, the media. And media, in general, is about sensationalism, not accuracy. Never assume what they narrate is what really happened.
Thanks - I have been confused given descriptions 1st floor had a key code entry and this killer I assume both entered through and walked by DM to exit out a slider door located on 2nd floor.
Very well analysis, as always Dr. Grande!!! You're always right-on when it comes to these things! If everyone in this world had the same insight, common sense, wisdom, and critical thinking as you do, Dr Grande, our world would definitely be a better place!! Also, your wife is a lucky lady...you're such a cute guy!!!!💕
Great breakdown of the case thus far, Dr. Grande! I didn't follow this stabbing spree case until a friend told me he was following it, so i started looking into it. So it was helpful that you included the entire timeline from start to current info. Do you know if this case will result in a televised trial like the Darrell Brown case? Maybe that's not known yet ... ?
Person not calling police under these circumstances is just beyond belief...
Hello Dr. Grande, just want to say that I appreciate the work you put into creating this content. I really enjoy watching your analysis of various cases.
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@@gigiarmany4332 I Concur.
Thank you for the quick summary. I was looking for this.
The video I’ve been waiting for!
I love hearing your perspective. Thank you for doing these videos.
Dr Grande, your work is prolific! You make me want to work harder 🙂
If I were living in a party house and saw a stranger leaving early Sunday morning he could have said hey I just killed all your friends I would take it as a misguided attempt at humor. Likewise I'd have came up with an explanation for loud noises in other rooms. Especially given they'd repeatedly had noise complaints. I think perhaps after learning the facts Dylan told investigators she was frozen in fear because she felt guilt over not recognizing the true nature of the situation and felt that being fearful was appropriate given 20/20 hindsight
Like so many criminals, Brian carried his phone with him everywhere and dropped his knife sheath with DNA on it. It is really difficult to pull off such horrible murders in this age and get away with it. I continue to wonder why he did these murders?
i’m just surprised he did that while studying criminology
IMO I honestly think he thought he would get away with it, considering his educational background. He probably thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room lol
Sexually motivated.
Actually, he turned his phone off shortly before the murders were committed, then turned it back on shortly afterwards -- which itself is incredibly suspicious. LOL There's no escaping big brother! This is the world we live in now.
He enjoyed murder like a peeping Tom enjoys looking in the window.
Excellent summary . Thanks for explain so clearly the complexity of this case. Your order and logic is 👌
Can you assess the Utah murder/suicide from a couple of days ago? 8 dead including 5 kids. Husband did it.
I have heard before of a woman "freezing" and not calling the EMTs or police when she should have. Emotional overload I imagine.
Thank you for condensing all of this for us! This case is so very complex that it's hard to keep up with it. There are probably hundreds of videos available for each one of the points you made. I haven't seen any reports on the other surviving roommate. I'm sure we will hear more about her in the days ahead. One thing for sure, I'm so sorry for all of the "victims" of this horrible crime. And there are many (victims) in addition to the four beautiful young people who were murderer. 😓😓😓
Perfectly put! 😢👍
I saw on a different podcast that the last roommate slept thru it all.
@@Sunshinemakesmehappy808 Because her room was in the basement.
Actually, from a prosecution point of view, this case is fairly straightforward. The sheathe pretty much seals the deal. All the other evidence (car seen next to the house during the crime, phone pings, DM’s description of the killer etc…) paint the complete picture, but the sheathe is conclusive evidence that cannot be argue against.
True. Unbelievable that he had been commenting on sooo many videos. Then they were all taken down.
Also, the PCA includes just enough information to secure an arrest warrant. At trial, we will probably hear a LOT more of what LE has against BK.
Yayyyyyyyyyy!!!!! I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO ALL DAY!!! Thank you!!!!
You are the highlight of my day!
Excellent breakdown as usual Dr Grande. Thanks for the new insights.
Wow! You answered so much of my questions! Thank you
The most shocking thing to me was the lack of security cameras. I live in Canada in a very safe neighbourhood and out of curiosity walked to the end of my block to see how many security cameras I could see - 7 of 10 houses all had cameras as i do as well. In a house housing college students no cameras seems neglect on the part of the landlord.
A lot of landlords in college towns take advantage of the fact that they are leasing to young people who likely haven't ever rented before.
I imagine there will be more now!
@@Throatzillaaa And incidents of serious crime in college towns are relatively rare, so landlords may not feel an obligation or need to place cameras, especially for a small rental property.
My small 4 unit apartment building close to the downtown of one of the largest cities in the country doesn't have any cameras, and I've never considered the landlord negligent in not providing them. There are security lights however, which i would consider mandatory.
It’s Idaho. Small town with trusting people!
@@aimeemarsh37 not anymore.
I just can’t understand how there wasn’t a ton of screaming during the murders. Like whoever was killed first, you’d think they would be screaming which would alter the others. It’s so strange
Been wondering that all along. Could he have used some kind of anesthetic to knock them out?
I thought I heard somewhere that they where asleep?
@@weirdflex8158 even if they were after the first or second stab I’d think they would have woke up and screamed which would wake the others.
Always really like your input. 🌞
Dr. Grande, I have found all of your coverage of this case very interesting.
When Dillon saw the suspect, she didn’t know he had killed her roommates. Additionally, this was a party house and perhaps she reasoned that he might have known one of the other roommates. She was unsure about calling police if the person already left the house. She might have debated with herself over calling 911 and finally decided not to since she wasn’t certain anything had happened. She might also have been inebriated or otherwise impaired. Too many uncertainties to make a big deal about it. She probably thought I’ll just lock my door here to be safe, and then she fell asleep. That’s my reasoning for why she didn’t immediately call for help.
So why not at least mesg her roommates to at least check if everything is alright? She just heard them, and what they said was strange enough to go check what was going on. Was she that disassociated from her roommates?
E yelled Get out! You can hear this on the leaked audio tape! And then you hear E screaming in the trend of No Xena or something like Oh god no!
DM opened her door three times when she heard this! She should have called the police right away if someone yelled that loud!! You clearly hear E shouting!
I can understand that, my question is why would she call the police saying that her roommate had passed out? It was a quadruple murder with a knife, blood was even seen from outside the house!
@@Rebeccaco123 the 911 call wasn't released so we don't know who called and what was said. i saw people speculating that one of the roommates passed out from shock after seeing the scene and the other called 911 because of that
Ok
The survivors guilt must be excruciating. Prayers to all.
If u pray hard enough they will come back to life
@@JesusAlfonsoRafael laughs in spanish
@@denome3725 I ain't Spanish but it's jejejeje or jajajaja
I love all the amateur "crime experts" in the comments saying they can't believe he drove his own car. As if rental cars or cars borrowed from friends are somehow untraceable. There are cameras everywhere now. The only way he could have traveled to the crime scene and back home completely undetected would be TELEPORTATION.
The police really did a good job of pretending the case was a lot colder than it was. Really great!
I agree!
After watching many true crime documentaries over the years, one of my biggest takeaways has always been to *lock your doors* when sleeping at night/retiring to your room for the evening.
That's like one of the most basic things to do and yet people still don't do it to keep themselves safe.
Self-preservation should be a #1 trait of everyone, yet it seems rare.
Best analysis I have seen in this case. Thank you for your professional insight.
Thank you for the fantastic breakdown of the events described in the affidavit.
As always, great logic. Thanks for summarizing!