If dying on Hardcore gives you a character creation on PvP realms without the faction limitation, you bet that people will exploit that. Just create an HC character and die at level 5 or whatever.
If dead HC characters could go to PvP realms, then you could trivially bypass the faction limits by making a level 1 character, dying, and then transferring to the PvP world on the blocked faction. Maybe it could work if they made it so you can only transfer to PvP if you die at 60? I hate PvP servers, but that's my understanding of it.
So basically this means we will not be layering with ppl in our raid/party again. I remember the feeling not being able to summon other raiders because me and the lock wasn't in the same layer even though we were in the same raid
No it means you can't invite additional people to the layer if that layer is full, assuming the party or raid would be entirely moved to a less populated layer to accommodate the party side, as people in parties are always on the same layer. It just wont add extra people to your layer if your layer is imbalanced or full
The new layering already has issues. People cant get into the same dungeon because some players in the group switch layers earlier and are locked out until the timer reset. You will notice this when people in your group dont appear on your map.
I'd say you can't transfer from Hardcore to PvP is to protect the faction balance and because like on SoD people are using free transfer on dead server to move toons to their main server so they can have Horde and Alliance toons on the same PvP server on the same account. I think it'd just to be to purely protect the faction balance, if on launch it's all horde and you can make a level 1 on Hardcore and go suicide to move to the server it'd be a bit unfair on other people.
I'm too old to wait 1 year + (if not more) to play again Wotlk, just make 1x server for the top rated expansions (whether they're seasonal / resetting after a certain period, I dont care), give me this,
This war mode isn’t what I was expecting. I think it’s a good change but if you join a raid what happens? I’ll be on the pvp server because I think the pve will be empty. If I’m wrong about that I likely will switch. I suck at pvp 😂.
@@Jessica-JoshBelton sure! “With 1.15.5, PvP realms will attempt to balance faction at both the layer and the specific zone level. What this means is that if one faction exceeds our balance threshold, any additional players attempting to enter that same zone will instead transfer to another layer. The system will work much like our Warmode system in The War Within, where we balance as many copies of the zone as possible and eventually any overflow of one dominant faction will end up on a one sided zone by themselves.” This is them comparing the layer balance with how they balanced warmode in retail. This is not them saying “you will have warmode toggle on and off”. You will still be PvP just like any classic PvP realm without the ability to turn it off.
I'm convinced that if Classic + originally released in full instead of SoD.... people STILL would've found everything to complain about 😂 it's forever going to be a 'lose/lose but win a lot money anyway' type of situation for Blizzard
Stop mixing warmode and warmode-style. The style part is important because it’s INSPIRED by the warmode feature for the balanced layers. It’s not warmode with being able to toggle warmode on and off
Im glad you cant transfer from hardcore to pvp, why? Because if i cant make my alliance character because its locked then ill create an alliance character on hardcore and transfer it. Do you realize it defeats the whole purpose yet?
Pvp isnt what is used to be 20 years ago. Back then it was actually fun there wasn't discord raid groups griefing etc. Im playing on a pve server idc my friends all said the same thing. Def not gonna ruin my time playing on a pvp server
No one asked for fresh servers man peeps dont have 12+ hours playtime each day anymore. What most people want is classic + . Fresh era is for streamers beneficial only cause they play nonstop
You don’t want to experience Classic on blizzard’s modern cloud/bnet servers without layering. Classic 2005 servers ran an entirely different client that was able to efficiently handle hundreds of players in one zone.
I hate how the PvE server never gets balanced and always ends up being the Horde side with less players first. I want the Alliance to be the fewer players.
I mean, it makes perfect sense. Horde tends to be favored in PvP because their racials are good for PvP, alliance tends to be favored for PvE because they have Salv and Human racial for warrior. People will gravitate to them based on that.
@@hamir9652 yeah, and? its not surprising that there wasn't a mass reroll to horde, even after some of the changes made them strong. people don't want to swap once they're locked in, and they started out on alliance because they assumed it would be better just like regular classic.
If dying on Hardcore gives you a character creation on PvP realms without the faction limitation, you bet that people will exploit that. Just create an HC character and die at level 5 or whatever.
U cant. Hardcore players will go on pve server
@PANDAFURIEUX I know, it was just that Sanmedina un this video thought it was a bit weird and couldn't understand the logic of that restriction.
war mode is pvp that you can turn on and off we are not gettin that.
That’s called a pve server
If dead HC characters could go to PvP realms, then you could trivially bypass the faction limits by making a level 1 character, dying, and then transferring to the PvP world on the blocked faction. Maybe it could work if they made it so you can only transfer to PvP if you die at 60? I hate PvP servers, but that's my understanding of it.
So basically this means we will not be layering with ppl in our raid/party again. I remember the feeling not being able to summon other raiders because me and the lock wasn't in the same layer even though we were in the same raid
No it means you can't invite additional people to the layer if that layer is full, assuming the party or raid would be entirely moved to a less populated layer to accommodate the party side, as people in parties are always on the same layer. It just wont add extra people to your layer if your layer is imbalanced or full
Ye that is what it should mean but from my experience I don't see it happening any time soon! Let's hope though
@@Myronis I think thats why they're doing things slightly different but also keeping it familiar, quality of life stuff!
@@soul_vicexjust hope it's not like the stv event in sod. Were u wouldn't layer at all. Even to your party .
You don't know what war mode is. But you don't care because you got me to comment for your algorithm anyway
The new layering already has issues. People cant get into the same dungeon because some players in the group switch layers earlier and are locked out until the timer reset. You will notice this when people in your group dont appear on your map.
that sounds very bad.
Huge L on Blizzard for not releasing Benny Blaanco Hardcored realm
No pally taunt no thanks!!!
Yeah rereleasing a version where specs are LITERALLY not viable is ridiculous
Forced faction balance and forced faction balance on layers you are going to hate it.
I'd say you can't transfer from Hardcore to PvP is to protect the faction balance and because like on SoD people are using free transfer on dead server to move toons to their main server so they can have Horde and Alliance toons on the same PvP server on the same account. I think it'd just to be to purely protect the faction balance, if on launch it's all horde and you can make a level 1 on Hardcore and go suicide to move to the server it'd be a bit unfair on other people.
doesnt this also mean large scale world pvp is dead too?
no, theres ONE server for the entire population, every layer will have thousands of players, if anything it will make large scale world pvp less laggy
It will enable it to occur. Layers will have both factions now so it’s almost forcing wpvp. Kinda neat
PvP servers are not worth the time. They are all about the grief and the gank and produce no value for real players.
If you play on PVE you aren't a real player
HC is a PvE experience, so that makes sense you can't goto a PvP server.
I'm too old to wait 1 year + (if not more) to play again Wotlk, just make 1x server for the top rated expansions (whether they're seasonal / resetting after a certain period, I dont care), give me this,
Exactly this. I'm waiting for MoP. To just kill time until tbc comes out again ^^
This war mode isn’t what I was expecting. I think it’s a good change but if you join a raid what happens? I’ll be on the pvp server because I think the pve will be empty. If I’m wrong about that I likely will switch. I suck at pvp 😂.
san are you going to keep playing SoD?
yea altho probably skipping aq this month lol
Remove mass reporting and autobans, otherwise this is just junk.
So does that mean we can swap pvp or pve Eather way? Basically there is no pvp server now?
No, read the post
@@doctorprepper8106I did I’m confused still can you clarify or dumb it down for me
@@Jessica-JoshBelton sure!
“With 1.15.5, PvP realms will attempt to balance faction at both the layer and the specific zone level. What this means is that if one faction exceeds our balance threshold, any additional players attempting to enter that same zone will instead transfer to another layer.
The system will work much like our Warmode system in The War Within, where we balance as many copies of the zone as possible and eventually any overflow of one dominant faction will end up on a one sided zone by themselves.”
This is them comparing the layer balance with how they balanced warmode in retail.
This is not them saying “you will have warmode toggle on and off”. You will still be PvP just like any classic PvP realm without the ability to turn it off.
I'm convinced that if Classic + originally released in full instead of SoD.... people STILL would've found everything to complain about 😂 it's forever going to be a 'lose/lose but win a lot money anyway' type of situation for Blizzard
its simple. they just cant help themselves. Blizz devs just cant help but retail everything. they are convinced everyone wants retail.
I would have been first in line
I mean better playing on Fresh then in mega old servers with 0 pvp and broken economy
Stop mixing warmode and warmode-style. The style part is important because it’s INSPIRED by the warmode feature for the balanced layers. It’s not warmode with being able to toggle warmode on and off
I really don't like layering, breaks the immersion TBH.
Im glad you cant transfer from hardcore to pvp, why? Because if i cant make my alliance character because its locked then ill create an alliance character on hardcore and transfer it. Do you realize it defeats the whole purpose yet?
thats exactly how it is now... why would they change it lol
We are not getting war mode lmfao
How bout them Packers?
Just leveling it is XD
M in the opposite situation hah my friends are going pve and I wanna do PvP server and world PvP
IA server names lol
HC is the last wow product worth a sub. Only HC servers are still down the day after maintenance.
idk why ppl say this... they arent down theyre gone... making room for new fresh
Hellz no to the raid finder. Ruins the game.
TH-cam told me I am in the top .5 percent of your viewers......
Sad
@Petemossfunguy what's sad about that? He has good videos. I also own my own business and can do whatever I want with my time. Enjoy your day brother
Dude fk war mode, you wanted to play on PvP server ? Deal with it. There’s normal servers.
How is this a question.
you got smart friends, that dont wanna play on 1x pvp server.
its only fun the first 2-3 weeks... pvp is just not fun anymore, and straight unfair.
Pvp isnt what is used to be 20 years ago. Back then it was actually fun there wasn't discord raid groups griefing etc. Im playing on a pve server idc my friends all said the same thing. Def not gonna ruin my time playing on a pvp server
Womp womp.
seems like the warmode change will address being out numbered
wah wah its not fair, how about learn your class and play better
@@GsauceReddit comment.
No one asked for fresh servers man peeps dont have 12+ hours playtime each day anymore. What most people want is classic + . Fresh era is for streamers beneficial only cause they play nonstop
Had they just slapped 3 more phases to sod I would have been happy
Fantastic change, maybe it will stop people whining about being killed by gank squads
You don’t want to experience Classic on blizzard’s modern cloud/bnet servers without layering.
Classic 2005 servers ran an entirely different client that was able to efficiently handle hundreds of players in one zone.
I hate how the PvE server never gets balanced and always ends up being the Horde side with less players first. I want the Alliance to be the fewer players.
Horde pve gun be poppin this this
I mean, it makes perfect sense. Horde tends to be favored in PvP because their racials are good for PvP, alliance tends to be favored for PvE because they have Salv and Human racial for warrior. People will gravitate to them based on that.
@@goflux SoD PvE Server Population Alliance 70% Horde 30%
in a fantasy world most people will just choose human
@@hamir9652 yeah, and? its not surprising that there wasn't a mass reroll to horde, even after some of the changes made them strong. people don't want to swap once they're locked in, and they started out on alliance because they assumed it would be better just like regular classic.