As a kid, my first exposure to Spidey was the Raimi movies. I always thought the organic webs were the default, and was disappointed to learn that his typical webs are something he invented himself. Nowadays I like both types equally.
Raimi's webs may not be comic accurate but they're much more accurate to the idea of gaining a Spider's abilities. Like I get his inventiveness and high IQ are important but there are other ways to show that, like how in "The City that Never Sleeps" (a DLC to the 2018 Spider-Man game) it's revealed Peter does math in his head while swinging, comparing himself to a pendulum.
A possible middle ground could be Peter gaining the ability to secrete web fluid, but not with any kind of useable velocity, prompting him to create the web shooters to take this seemingly useful ability and adapt it into a useful weapon and traversal tool.
Here's an idea? WHAT IF HE DOES BOTH??? ORGANIC AND TECH BASED WEBSHOOTER???? He finds out he can create organic webbing but it runs out, so he shows his genius by analyzing how his mutated body creates those webs and he manages to synthesize it. Let's then give him the problem of his synthetic webs being inferior to his organic webs in terms of quality. So he keeps using his brain trying many ways to succeed his organic webs, but ends up making different kinds of specialized webbings instead. How bout that?!?!
when I was a young lad I was actually shocked and kind of saddened to learn most iterations of the hero use artificial webbing. I always liked and preferred the idea of Peter’s inner biology changing in such a way for him to grow spinnerets inside his arms. The concept sounded way cooler to me than technological web-slingers.
hella of a truth here, I sorta doubt it before thinkin' "oh, maybe the web shooter are to make the organic web even stronger", but now it turns out that it isn't. Still, I like the implication of intelligence trough the creation of web shooters
Agreed. It's the ability I think of when I think "Spider". Being stronger, and his 'spidy senses' don't really make too much sense to have come from a spider. I think if they absolutely required him to have artificial web slingers, they should've been just that, "web SLINGERS" His body creates the webs, and the slingers are what lets them shoot out, with advanced ones modifying the natural webbing by adding stuff.
@Trump Is The Messiah i always had this exact questions, if they are fully inorganic and scientifically created webs how is he the only person running around with web powers. It would make way more sense if he could create webs naturally but the shooter just helps him be able to use them functionally like adding more accuracy and power.
@@Valcuda Spidy sense actually makes sense. Most spiders don't really have good eyesight, so they sense vibrations around them. This ability is so developed, that spiders can sense a persons heartbeat through vibrations, and that's how they know to stay away from humans. So for example if a villain throws a car at spiderman, what spidy sense actually does is probably sense the vibrations and send a signal to spiderman's brain that something is flying his way at high speeds. Same goes for heartbeat. Spidy sense probably senses the vibrations of the enemy's body, their breathing, their heart beating, and so on, which gives away hostility or any kind of other emotion. This is all just speculation from me though.
@@Valcuda actually the strength makes sense because Spiders are incredibly strong proportionally to their size, so when Peter gets these spider powers, he gets the same strength ratio that a spider has, eg. say a spider can carry 10x his body weight, this means Peter can now carry 10x his body weight
fun fact: in spiderman one peter trying to figure out what hand formation he had to use for the webs to come out is not a part of the script but the director found it funny so he kept it in
I think a fun idea would be if peter could produce organic webbing, but it doesn't shoot out. Peter would have to make a web shooter that pressurizes his natural webbing
That does sound pretty good It introduces his webs more naturally, instead of him making it himself. He's just improving on what he has already by pressurizing the web into a string that he can swing with.
Weird fact: The Japanese Spiderman is the reason why the Super Sentai series even existed, it took 16 installments of the Super Sentai series to be localized to the US, they took Zyuranger and made the very first Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Heck, Stan Lee really loved the Japanese Spider-man as well.
also it'd be closer to say toei's spiderman is the catalyst for sentai as it is now, there were two sentai shows before spiderman but neither of them had a mech till the third, Battle Fever J, also made as part of the same coproduction deal with Toei and Marvel that spawned their spiderman show.
My conceptualization of Spiderman was that he was bit by a radioactive experimental spider so it always made the world of sense to me that his physiology was altered to have natural spinaretts. I've never been able to buy the idea of a gizmo attached to his hand.
I like the spinnerets but I don't like that they end up on the wrists even in adaptations where it's a genetically engineered spider. When the Spider Totem lore is involved however, that's when I can buy the spinnerets being there.
@madladdie7069 do you want them to be on his dick or something? It makes the most sense for story telling and character design for it to be his wrists.
I think the reason he dont have organic webs is because the bite dont give him the anatomy of a spider just the abillities of one. Even his wall crawiling is not because of his biology, but some weird atom atraction thing
@@shawerful5209 but thats exactly why he can use van der waals forces to stick to surfaces like spiders do, he gained the setae i think or tiny little hairs or pads that spiders use for the said van der waals forces
I prefer the organic webs because him being a super genius enough to manufacture his insanely advanced web shooters alone, as a young adult, greatly reduces his relatability to me as being an otherwise normal guy outside his powers.
@trumpisthemessiah7017 that's kind of the point of that. to highlight his intelligence. realism is out the window when he's strong enough to disconnect jaws with a punch.
I think Spiderman having organic webs, makes him a more unique character. Without the webs, he's just a strong, durable guy, with an amazing reaction time. Very dull. Captain America, Superman -flight, Wonderwoman -flight, Hulk (scaled down tremendously), thor -flight, Black Panther, etc. Also, Raimi/Tobey Mcguire's Spiderman was not unintelligent. Yes there was much less focus on him being a complete nerd, but those movies are much more heartfelt. A bit awkward and cheesy, but Raimi looked at the soul of who and what made Spiderman an attractive character. It's his empathy, humanity. Not that all others fail to capture the same/similar ideas, but of the live actions, even if he's not comic accurate, he is probably the best.
So true. The web slinging ability is integral to the spiderman. He's just an abnormally strong acrobat without it. Jeanne claude van damme could be spider man if he found out a way to make those web shooters.
A lot of people seem confused with his powers, strength comes from a spiders incredible proportional strength, his “reaction time” comes from a Spider’s uncanny ability to instantly react to anything that touches it’s web, his acrobatic skills come from a Spider being able to hang and move on any axis, and I don’t have to explain how his climbing works. If he had organic webbing, he would need to grow entirely new organs and basically tubes for the webbing going throughout his body which is a lot harder to get behind than his body just developing like his barb-like hairs growing, his muscles growing, etc. he would also not shoot webs out of his wrists, instead there would be an entirely new hole on his abdomen somewhere; and it would not come out in high velocity, only slowly coming out. I get that he is a comic book character so it doesn’t have to be realistic whatsoever but superheroes have so much more depth and character when they are somewhat grounded in reality. Finally, he became Spider-Man because he knew a Spider bit him and he knew he couldn’t quickly navigate through the city to fight crime, so using his knowledge and the technology from Oscorp; because of his friend Harry, he made web shooters to travel quickly and imitate the abilities of a Spider. (Actually finally this time): This might be a stretch but I think him having organic webbing takes away from his unique situation of being able to use his knowledge and intellect to be a better hero, and shows why he is able to choose the right thing. If it’s some random person without the knowledge and intellect they would not know how to use any of their abilities and that would just end up with a dead Spider-Man, but if that Spider-Man is shown to be smart enough to make web-shooters then I feel as though he can use his abilities responsibly. That might be a little bit of a stretch in your mind but in my head-canon, these things can’t exist without each other.
Every other Spider-Man: "We use high tech web shooters and webbing." Assassin Spider-Man and Spider-Punisher: "I use gun. And if that don't work, use more gun."
I like the idea of organic webs because otherwise the only thing spiderlike about his powers is his strength and acrobatics. Besides, there's FAR more ways to show petetes intelligence with the multitude of other spider gadgets he goes on to create. I think the organic webs are a nice round off to the spider powers of strength and agility.
Japanese Spider-Man bears a resemblance to MMPR because they were made by the same people. Let me explain. Supaidaman, as it is also known, is a tokusatsu series, meaning it makes heavy use of special effects. Other tokusatsu franchises include Godzilla and other kaiju films, as well as superhero series such as Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai. Kamen Rider and Super Sentai are both produced by Toei Company (the parent company of One Piece, Dragon Ball, and Sailor Moon's animation studio Toei Animation) and the latter was adapted into the Power Rangers franchise, dubbing the action scenes over and making new scenes with American actors. Not only are Super Sentai and Supaidaman in the same genre, they are both made by Toei, and the latter is a result of a multi year partnership with Marvel that created some of the early Super Sentai series. The inclusion of the giant robot (or mecha) Leopardon in Supaidaman and its success led Toei to include Mecha in every Super Sentai series from that point, and those mecha would become what we know as Megazords in Power Rangers. TLDR; Power Rangers is based on a Japanese show in the same genre and produced by the same company as Japanese Spider-Man, hence the similarity.
Slight Correction, Japanese Spider-man's Giant Mech was actually named Leopardon, while the little shuttle he rode to get into the mech was the Marveller.
power rangers technically took inspiration from SUPAIDAMAN because Leopardon was technically the first megazord Toei made Super Sentai, and would later feature giant robots in it after it was so successful in Supaidaman. Then several years later Zyuranger would be adapted to mighty morphin power rangers. So your statement "bares a resemblance to American MMPR" is because Supaidaman literally invented tropes of the giant robot fights which are still used today all these years later. If you go an watch Supaidaman, you can even see him interact with a few Sentai and Kamen Rider characters because Stan Lee also had a hand in making Battle Fever J on top of Supaidaman. The large metal box on his hand also was the spider needle injector which gave him his powers by injecting him with venomous spider spines on top of controlling his webbing. So please, give Japanese Spiderman more credit next time.
It might be a Mandela Effect, but I and a lot of my long time friends remember Spidey having organic web shooters in the comics long before the Rami movies "introduced" them
@@notadiamond that is possible. Especially considering how much marvel used to like to jump around the multiverse, but it was definitely long before the Tobey Spidey got his organics
@@Mike_Toulon honestly it's marvel it could be just something they retconned out or just some writer forgot about as marvel is just the most confusing comics I have ever read
I prefer the organic ones simply because he wouldn’t really have any other “spider” powers besides being able to climb otherwise. I think there are many other ways to show Spider-Man’s intelligence than having him build some intricate contraption that only a super genius could build.
It just makes sense. What's the first thing you think of when you think of spiders? It's either the webs, the eight legs, or the many eyes. Actually, that's kind of odd that Spider-Man doesn't have more limbs or eyes. Is there any version of him that does, 'cause that would make even more sense.
Who's "we"? Super scientist Spider-man that creates and manufactures his own gadgets and chemical compounds has been a stable of the character for decades.
I had no clue until now that Spidermans webs weren't supposed to be organic and I thought it was weird that Tom Hollands Spiderman wasn't using organic (couldn't really remember Andrew's spiderman)
Spiderman having organic spinnerets was probably one of the best advancements of the character. I much prefer superheroes having to deal with non-human abnormalities and trying to still fit into the real world, over the much more simplistic explanation of "well hes a super genius". Like okay, so is 3/4ths of every other character in Marvel. I think organics shooters gives spiderman 100x more uniqueness and individuality.
I hope Sam Rami knows how much of an impact his films had on a generation. I mean of course evil dead is an absolute classic, but a huge number of kids from the generation after that (particularly the ones who weren’t into comics) view his take on Spider-Man as the default representation, and I just think that’s neat.
is it more interesting to just have him shoot webs from his wrists instead of making a device to do it? i'd say it's more interesting that spider-man's powers are a mix of both his superhuman abilities and his intellect, instead of just the former.
I think it’s more interesting to develop technology to hide a weakness I think it’s less interesting when you just had it from the get go it’s just an extra power
@@masonedgley9537 It only makes Spider-Man to be like Batman, when he rely on his own powers instead of technology, that's what it makes for me interestimg.
To me, without the ability to organically create webs, Spider Man is just 'another super hero' but he decided to have webs. His natural powers aren't inherently spider related. Super strength, and good reaction. If you want to show that he's smart, do it some other way that doesn't take away from him gaining spider powers!
Wall-crawling and basically precognition? The whole thing about the spider-sense is that it takes the spider's real-world ability to sense air current and pressure changes to detect threats and amps it up to extremes.
@@ArloMathis Wait, you're telling me he can't naturally make webs, yet can naturally climb walls??? I always imagined he did that by covering his hands in webs! As for his spider senses, I think you could easily apply that logic to insects as well. I've always seen it as a way to mimic the way insects and arachnids always see our attacks coming.
@@Valcuda Admittedly, my first Actual Spider-Man content was the Raimi movies where the wall-crawling thing is explicitly separate from the webs. But still, they are technically separate abilities. And sure, I bet you could. Spidey was created for comics in an era of Total Comics Bullshit where they did wacky stuff. It's not always going to make sense, it's kinda vibes based that has been sorta solidified, expanded, and explained bit by bit over the years as different writers did things. It's just gonna be messy, unfortunately.
I think the 90s animated series really did the web shooters explanation the best imo. It makes more sense than organic web shooters cuz yknow, he just grows web spinning glands in his arms
Not a unique comment but I do prefer the organic web shooters to the usual technical ones. I think it’s way more fascinating to have Peter think on the fly and use his knowledge to capitalize off his spider powers, as a means of illustrating how smart he is, rather than him just making web shooters. I think a compromise could be made here with say, Peter creating tools to try and modify his naturally occurring webbing with effective tools that an ordinary but very smart person could manufacture, such as adding an electric discharge to his webbing to stun his foes, or some kind of funnel to alter the webbing’s shape so as to preemptively produce a net of the stuff or something.
0:18 this is technicly incorrect since the *literal* first live action appearance of Spiderman was a couple of Turkish Yeşilçam movies. If i remember correctly one of them aired in the late 60's and another in 1972 where they also used Captain America lol. The most obscure part is that its not a ripoff, they actually bought the rights for that movie.
Noone can deny that in terms lf mechanical web shooters Andrew's one is Goated , with that tiny little red light along with that sound it just feels more realistic and amazing !!
i always thought that spiderman had natural web shooting abilities but it was too weak and not effective enough so the web shooters just made it better or were a replacement or something tbh i never knew it was either or
I like the combat system in Miles Morales, with the Venom ability it’s impossible for me to take damage, or if I do, the health bar always tends to stay above 50 or 60%
It's always confused me why Spiderman even has non-organic web shooting devices. Like he's bitten by a radioactive spider... and his most iconic and primary super ability is just some device he made? Why tf even make him bitten by a god damn radioactive spider in the first place if it doesn't serve any purpose. The spider gave him strength and he can stick to walls, why Stan Lee, why?!!
Because it's cooler to see that one of his most iconic and useful abilities came from his own ingenuity and not from a freak accident spider-bite But then we run into the problem of every spider-enhanced individual also having web shooters. Making it far less unique, but it was Peter's at the start
I get what you mean, you feel like spider man is very dependable to his device right? otherwise he can't be a complete spider man... but if you think about it, its not just about shooting web and crawling walls, the bite activate his senses and physical abilities not just muscles, his bone flexibility and endurance increased which means even someone use his web shooters can't use/swing like him
stark tech is like chinese tech, full of spyware....in marvel civil war stark figured out peter's spider sense by giving him stark tech and used this against peter
Apparently not only raimy Spider-Man, 2099, and man spider, but also spider cat, spider noir, pavitr prabhakar, and 616 Peter Parker all have organic webs at least in the comics With that said I’m pretty sure man spider or 2099 were the FIRST organic spiderweb spidermen
I would admit that Raimi's webs would be more realistic than the other webshooters, but it's the bare appearance (1:46) of them that triggers my trypophobia and makes me uncomfortable looking at them.
The argument for the ultimate spider man web shooter looking clunky was kind of odd as in the show there's a feature that makes the web shooter camouflage with the suit making it less of an eyesore
I don’t understand how having to grab your web shooters in Spider Boys case made him able to move around more in combat, if anything I’d assume he was moving less since he’d have to grab his gun between punches if he needed to swing away as opposed to just swinging away. 🤨
The first Spider-Man was that one where Spidey didn't speak and had a comic book foreground and stupid villains, not including the Wall and Japanese Supaidaman was an inspiration for POWER-RANGERS
grew up with Spider-Man TAS and the level of how much I despise the organic web shooters is unmatched and for me, it brings down quality of those movies. I'm so glad that future iterations kept more comic accurate with homemade web shooters than stupid organic ones. for anyone wondering how he knows how to make web fluid, I like the explanation that was given in Spider-Man TAS.
Tbh for the longest time I thought the organic webbing was the main way he used his webbing but then I found out 90% of comics and sources use a web gadget made by Peter
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone describe the device Dr Strange gave to Peter as a web shooter. I don't think that's correct. There was a licensed replica that called it an arm band bracelet.
1:01 power rangers is actually an american dub of the japanese show super sentai all bandai did was put some small time actors in to play that characters out of suit and to dub over the talking
Really weird how in 2023 you're talking about "American" Power Rangers but don't know that it originated in Japan as Super Sentai Zyuranger, which was inspired by the Spider-Man show that predates it... How little homework did you do for that segment? lol. That's basic knowledge at this point. We even knew that Power Rangers was based on Japanese footage back in the 90s when it first came out.
Ive always liked the organic webbing more than him making webshooters. I thought it was originally like that until a while ago. I get that him creating the webshooters shows how smart he is but idk. Maybe it could be through something else like the webwings. I guess I just like a more natural spidey than the more technological versions
Actually sentai spider man is not based on the mighty morphing power rangers, he’s base on the Super sentai characters known in the west as Power Rangers also his giant mech is called Leopardon not marveller that’s his vehicle
My expectations: Organic Webshooters What Im told I'll get: Artificial Webshooters What I actually get: Webshooter Gun How tf is that shit supposed to increase your mobility and shit? Its literally blocking one hand.
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@@RocketRiley 7:37 7:38
Yea
As a kid, my first exposure to Spidey was the Raimi movies. I always thought the organic webs were the default, and was disappointed to learn that his typical webs are something he invented himself. Nowadays I like both types equally.
Same here
The web-shooters are awesome, but the organic web just makes sense and feel so natural (like the spider’s ability to produce webs.)
@@GazzyD well spiders shoot it out there rear so....
same here
Same
Raimi's webs may not be comic accurate but they're much more accurate to the idea of gaining a Spider's abilities. Like I get his inventiveness and high IQ are important but there are other ways to show that, like how in "The City that Never Sleeps" (a DLC to the 2018 Spider-Man game) it's revealed Peter does math in his head while swinging, comparing himself to a pendulum.
A possible middle ground could be Peter gaining the ability to secrete web fluid, but not with any kind of useable velocity, prompting him to create the web shooters to take this seemingly useful ability and adapt it into a useful weapon and traversal tool.
It makes a lot more sense than mechanical web shooters, he's spider man, not "really smart guy that has super strength and can walk on walls"
Here's an idea?
WHAT IF HE DOES BOTH???
ORGANIC AND TECH BASED WEBSHOOTER????
He finds out he can create organic webbing but it runs out, so he shows his genius by analyzing how his mutated body creates those webs and he manages to synthesize it.
Let's then give him the problem of his synthetic webs being inferior to his organic webs in terms of quality. So he keeps using his brain trying many ways to succeed his organic webs, but ends up making different kinds of specialized webbings instead.
How bout that?!?!
@@chrisprobablyananimator5082 why are you so serious about this? it's Spider-Man's webbing. It's not a huge thing relax
@@medafan53 not bad.
when I was a young lad I was actually shocked and kind of saddened to learn most iterations of the hero use artificial webbing. I always liked and preferred the idea of Peter’s inner biology changing in such a way for him to grow spinnerets inside his arms. The concept sounded way cooler to me than technological web-slingers.
hella of a truth here, I sorta doubt it before thinkin' "oh, maybe the web shooter are to make the organic web even stronger", but now it turns out that it isn't. Still, I like the implication of intelligence trough the creation of web shooters
Agreed. It's the ability I think of when I think "Spider".
Being stronger, and his 'spidy senses' don't really make too much sense to have come from a spider.
I think if they absolutely required him to have artificial web slingers, they should've been just that, "web SLINGERS"
His body creates the webs, and the slingers are what lets them shoot out, with advanced ones modifying the natural webbing by adding stuff.
@Trump Is The Messiah i always had this exact questions, if they are fully inorganic and scientifically created webs how is he the only person running around with web powers. It would make way more sense if he could create webs naturally but the shooter just helps him be able to use them functionally like adding more accuracy and power.
@@Valcuda Spidy sense actually makes sense. Most spiders don't really have good eyesight, so they sense vibrations around them. This ability is so developed, that spiders can sense a persons heartbeat through vibrations, and that's how they know to stay away from humans. So for example if a villain throws a car at spiderman, what spidy sense actually does is probably sense the vibrations and send a signal to spiderman's brain that something is flying his way at high speeds. Same goes for heartbeat. Spidy sense probably senses the vibrations of the enemy's body, their breathing, their heart beating, and so on, which gives away hostility or any kind of other emotion. This is all just speculation from me though.
@@Valcuda actually the strength makes sense because Spiders are incredibly strong proportionally to their size, so when Peter gets these spider powers, he gets the same strength ratio that a spider has, eg. say a spider can carry 10x his body weight, this means Peter can now carry 10x his body weight
fun fact: in spiderman one peter trying to figure out what hand formation he had to use for the webs to come out is not a part of the script but the director found it funny so he kept it in
That fact is indeed fun
Sam raimi spiderman trilogy are so memeable 😂
Accurate
I think a fun idea would be if peter could produce organic webbing, but it doesn't shoot out. Peter would have to make a web shooter that pressurizes his natural webbing
Does it just pile up in him otherwise or is it... Not?
That does sound pretty good
It introduces his webs more naturally, instead of him making it himself. He's just improving on what he has already by pressurizing the web into a string that he can swing with.
sounds clunky
That's what I did with my spider-sona, Bird Eater!
Like Miles Morales from the spider-verse movies.
Weird fact: The Japanese Spiderman is the reason why the Super Sentai series even existed, it took 16 installments of the Super Sentai series to be localized to the US, they took Zyuranger and made the very first Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Heck, Stan Lee really loved the Japanese Spider-man as well.
the mech also isn't called the marveller, that's the name of it's vehicle mode. The Mech is called Leopardon
also it'd be closer to say toei's spiderman is the catalyst for sentai as it is now, there were two sentai shows before spiderman but neither of them had a mech till the third, Battle Fever J, also made as part of the same coproduction deal with Toei and Marvel that spawned their spiderman show.
My conceptualization of Spiderman was that he was bit by a radioactive experimental spider so it always made the world of sense to me that his physiology was altered to have natural spinaretts. I've never been able to buy the idea of a gizmo attached to his hand.
I like the spinnerets but I don't like that they end up on the wrists even in adaptations where it's a genetically engineered spider. When the Spider Totem lore is involved however, that's when I can buy the spinnerets being there.
@madladdie7069 do you want them to be on his dick or something? It makes the most sense for story telling and character design for it to be his wrists.
I think the reason he dont have organic webs is because the bite dont give him the anatomy of a spider just the abillities of one. Even his wall crawiling is not because of his biology, but some weird atom atraction thing
@@shawerful5209 but thats exactly why he can use van der waals forces to stick to surfaces like spiders do, he gained the setae i think or tiny little hairs or pads that spiders use for the said van der waals forces
the organic web-shooters make the most sense to me. He got bit by a spider so he should be able to make webs
If your dog bites you will you start barking??
it's really just impossible for Peter to produce webs, spiders have organs to do that, Peter doesn't
@@sanderduymelinck rage syndrome is an actual thing.
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 ya ik. I just like the idea more than him having to make them
@@sanderduymelinck the spider that bit him was a radioactive type of spider. IS your dog radioactive?
Virgin U.S. Spiderman: "I'm just your friendly neighbourhood spiderman"
Chad JP Spiderman: "I am an emissary from hell"
Jp spiderman has a ROPE and an AK
I prefer the organic webs because him being a super genius enough to manufacture his insanely advanced web shooters alone, as a young adult, greatly reduces his relatability to me as being an otherwise normal guy outside his powers.
in the 90s cartoon, his spider powers gave him innate knowledge of how web fluid works and what it's made of
Peter Parker and many of the other Spider-people are often characterized with high intelligance.
For me, his relatability is in his struggles. His intelligence isn't a factor in his struggles.
@@OdaKaThat’s kind of stupid though
@trumpisthemessiah7017 that's kind of the point of that. to highlight his intelligence. realism is out the window when he's strong enough to disconnect jaws with a punch.
I think Spiderman having organic webs, makes him a more unique character. Without the webs, he's just a strong, durable guy, with an amazing reaction time. Very dull. Captain America, Superman -flight, Wonderwoman -flight, Hulk (scaled down tremendously), thor -flight, Black Panther, etc.
Also, Raimi/Tobey Mcguire's Spiderman was not unintelligent. Yes there was much less focus on him being a complete nerd, but those movies are much more heartfelt. A bit awkward and cheesy, but Raimi looked at the soul of who and what made Spiderman an attractive character. It's his empathy, humanity.
Not that all others fail to capture the same/similar ideas, but of the live actions, even if he's not comic accurate, he is probably the best.
So true. The web slinging ability is integral to the spiderman. He's just an abnormally strong acrobat without it. Jeanne claude van damme could be spider man if he found out a way to make those web shooters.
A lot of people seem confused with his powers, strength comes from a spiders incredible proportional strength, his “reaction time” comes from a Spider’s uncanny ability to instantly react to anything that touches it’s web, his acrobatic skills come from a Spider being able to hang and move on any axis, and I don’t have to explain how his climbing works.
If he had organic webbing, he would need to grow entirely new organs and basically tubes for the webbing going throughout his body which is a lot harder to get behind than his body just developing like his barb-like hairs growing, his muscles growing, etc. he would also not shoot webs out of his wrists, instead there would be an entirely new hole on his abdomen somewhere; and it would not come out in high velocity, only slowly coming out.
I get that he is a comic book character so it doesn’t have to be realistic whatsoever but superheroes have so much more depth and character when they are somewhat grounded in reality.
Finally, he became Spider-Man because he knew a Spider bit him and he knew he couldn’t quickly navigate through the city to fight crime, so using his knowledge and the technology from Oscorp; because of his friend Harry, he made web shooters to travel quickly and imitate the abilities of a Spider.
(Actually finally this time): This might be a stretch but I think him having organic webbing takes away from his unique situation of being able to use his knowledge and intellect to be a better hero, and shows why he is able to choose the right thing. If it’s some random person without the knowledge and intellect they would not know how to use any of their abilities and that would just end up with a dead Spider-Man, but if that Spider-Man is shown to be smart enough to make web-shooters then I feel as though he can use his abilities responsibly. That might be a little bit of a stretch in your mind but in my head-canon, these things can’t exist without each other.
You know Spider-Man was a jerk in his early years and in his college years and the thing about his webs was mentioned when he died
What's the point of having the abilities of a Spider if you can't use the main one like a Spider.
Every other Spider-Man: "We use high tech web shooters and webbing."
Assassin Spider-Man and Spider-Punisher: "I use gun. And if that don't work, use more gun."
I like the idea of organic webs because otherwise the only thing spiderlike about his powers is his strength and acrobatics. Besides, there's FAR more ways to show petetes intelligence with the multitude of other spider gadgets he goes on to create. I think the organic webs are a nice round off to the spider powers of strength and agility.
i love the orangic webs, it makes him more of a superhero with abilities that match his name than just climbing up walls and strength
Japanese Spider-Man bears a resemblance to MMPR because they were made by the same people. Let me explain. Supaidaman, as it is also known, is a tokusatsu series, meaning it makes heavy use of special effects. Other tokusatsu franchises include Godzilla and other kaiju films, as well as superhero series such as Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai. Kamen Rider and Super Sentai are both produced by Toei Company (the parent company of One Piece, Dragon Ball, and Sailor Moon's animation studio Toei Animation) and the latter was adapted into the Power Rangers franchise, dubbing the action scenes over and making new scenes with American actors. Not only are Super Sentai and Supaidaman in the same genre, they are both made by Toei, and the latter is a result of a multi year partnership with Marvel that created some of the early Super Sentai series. The inclusion of the giant robot (or mecha) Leopardon in Supaidaman and its success led Toei to include Mecha in every Super Sentai series from that point, and those mecha would become what we know as Megazords in Power Rangers.
TLDR; Power Rangers is based on a Japanese show in the same genre and produced by the same company as Japanese Spider-Man, hence the similarity.
Exactly the one part of the video that doesn’t make sense
Slight Correction, Japanese Spider-man's Giant Mech was actually named Leopardon, while the little shuttle he rode to get into the mech was the Marveller.
6:13 Bro brought a gun to a web fight. Insane
8:12 "That's it! I've had enough of you. Web sli- *gunshot* oh.. sorry man wrong one-"
Ultimate spider-man will always be my favourite spider-man animated series, it also introduced me to miles, white tiger, and nova
power rangers technically took inspiration from SUPAIDAMAN because Leopardon was technically the first megazord
Toei made Super Sentai, and would later feature giant robots in it after it was so successful in Supaidaman. Then several years later Zyuranger would be adapted to mighty morphin power rangers.
So your statement "bares a resemblance to American MMPR" is because Supaidaman literally invented tropes of the giant robot fights which are still used today all these years later. If you go an watch Supaidaman, you can even see him interact with a few Sentai and Kamen Rider characters because Stan Lee also had a hand in making Battle Fever J on top of Supaidaman.
The large metal box on his hand also was the spider needle injector which gave him his powers by injecting him with venomous spider spines on top of controlling his webbing.
So please, give Japanese Spiderman more credit next time.
It might be a Mandela Effect, but I and a lot of my long time friends remember Spidey having organic web shooters in the comics long before the Rami movies "introduced" them
You're just not remembering correctly
I know there is a universe where that is true so maybe you read a few of those and didn't realise that it was a different universe
@@notadiamond that is possible. Especially considering how much marvel used to like to jump around the multiverse, but it was definitely long before the Tobey Spidey got his organics
@@Mike_Toulon honestly it's marvel it could be just something they retconned out or just some writer forgot about as marvel is just the most confusing comics I have ever read
Spider man 2099 has organic ones
I prefer the organic ones simply because he wouldn’t really have any other “spider” powers besides being able to climb otherwise. I think there are many other ways to show Spider-Man’s intelligence than having him build some intricate contraption that only a super genius could build.
Most insects in the world can climb walls, webs are the only thing going for him that make him SPIDER man,
Spider-sense
Tobey Maguire's Peter did show more of his genius intellect when he was making an anti-serum for Willem Dafoe's Norman in NWH.
It's so cool that Tobey Maguire is the only live-action Spider-Man with organic webs.🤩
JP Spider-Man doesn’t resemble power rangers - it’s the reason power rangers happened
I like how we all unanimously agree it makes way more sense to make spiderman have the natural ability to make webs
It just makes sense. What's the first thing you think of when you think of spiders? It's either the webs, the eight legs, or the many eyes. Actually, that's kind of odd that Spider-Man doesn't have more limbs or eyes. Is there any version of him that does, 'cause that would make even more sense.
There are several versions where he grows extra arms and some where his eyes are affected. Look up “Man-Spider” or “Spider-Man with 6 arms!”
@@RocketRiley Thanks!
Who's "we"?
Super scientist Spider-man that creates and manufactures his own gadgets and chemical compounds has been a stable of the character for decades.
Bro, spider man having organic webs stored on his *arms* , dont make any sense
I had no clue until now that Spidermans webs weren't supposed to be organic and I thought it was weird that Tom Hollands Spiderman wasn't using organic (couldn't really remember Andrew's spiderman)
same
Yet again very informative and really interesting Riley!
Thanks!!
Spiderman having organic spinnerets was probably one of the best advancements of the character. I much prefer superheroes having to deal with non-human abnormalities and trying to still fit into the real world, over the much more simplistic explanation of "well hes a super genius". Like okay, so is 3/4ths of every other character in Marvel.
I think organics shooters gives spiderman 100x more uniqueness and individuality.
Power rangers or super Sentai was actually inspired by that spider-man, it was the first Japanese battle show with weekly villains that had a mech
I hope Sam Rami knows how much of an impact his films had on a generation. I mean of course evil dead is an absolute classic, but a huge number of kids from the generation after that (particularly the ones who weren’t into comics) view his take on Spider-Man as the default representation, and I just think that’s neat.
Why is the whole video 9 minutes and 11 seconds long while Spider-Man is usually based in New York City💀💀💀💀💀💀
Cuz this is on purpose hehe😂
Peter Parker has 11 letters and SpiderMan has 9 letters, I'm scared friends, it's too much of a coincidence.
@@sunitasingh8158no well I think it’s not😭😂
@@mitsukamiSpider(-)Man that’s 10
@@Miles_Tails_Prower_Wit_A_Gun the original spider-man actually didn't have a hypen (-) so if we go by the original, yes there are 9 letters
All these tourists like organic webbing
I always thought spiderman always had organic webshooters
Most people who discovered spidey from the first film series do
I like the organic ones more, they just feel right.
Ngl the thumbnail with the miles webshooter that says "Hidden Handgun" made me laugh really hard for no reason.
a nice intermediate would be if he could make silk but needed something to harness and shoot it
I always prefered the organic web shooters over the mechanical ones, since that idea was far more interesting and better.
is it more interesting to just have him shoot webs from his wrists instead of making a device to do it? i'd say it's more interesting that spider-man's powers are a mix of both his superhuman abilities and his intellect, instead of just the former.
I think it’s more interesting to develop technology to hide a weakness I think it’s less interesting when you just had it from the get go it’s just an extra power
@@masonedgley9537 It only makes Spider-Man to be like Batman, when he rely on his own powers instead of technology, that's what it makes for me interestimg.
To me, without the ability to organically create webs, Spider Man is just 'another super hero' but he decided to have webs.
His natural powers aren't inherently spider related. Super strength, and good reaction.
If you want to show that he's smart, do it some other way that doesn't take away from him gaining spider powers!
Wall-crawling and basically precognition? The whole thing about the spider-sense is that it takes the spider's real-world ability to sense air current and pressure changes to detect threats and amps it up to extremes.
@@ArloMathis Wait, you're telling me he can't naturally make webs, yet can naturally climb walls???
I always imagined he did that by covering his hands in webs!
As for his spider senses, I think you could easily apply that logic to insects as well. I've always seen it as a way to mimic the way insects and arachnids always see our attacks coming.
@@Valcuda Admittedly, my first Actual Spider-Man content was the Raimi movies where the wall-crawling thing is explicitly separate from the webs. But still, they are technically separate abilities.
And sure, I bet you could. Spidey was created for comics in an era of Total Comics Bullshit where they did wacky stuff. It's not always going to make sense, it's kinda vibes based that has been sorta solidified, expanded, and explained bit by bit over the years as different writers did things. It's just gonna be messy, unfortunately.
@@Valcudayeah most insects and arachnids can sense the air pressure around them, it's not something exclusive to spiders
I think the 90s animated series really did the web shooters explanation the best imo. It makes more sense than organic web shooters cuz yknow, he just grows web spinning glands in his arms
Not a unique comment but I do prefer the organic web shooters to the usual technical ones. I think it’s way more fascinating to have Peter think on the fly and use his knowledge to capitalize off his spider powers, as a means of illustrating how smart he is, rather than him just making web shooters. I think a compromise could be made here with say, Peter creating tools to try and modify his naturally occurring webbing with effective tools that an ordinary but very smart person could manufacture, such as adding an electric discharge to his webbing to stun his foes, or some kind of funnel to alter the webbing’s shape so as to preemptively produce a net of the stuff or something.
0:18 this is technicly incorrect since the *literal* first live action appearance of Spiderman was a couple of Turkish Yeşilçam movies. If i remember correctly one of them aired in the late 60's and another in 1972 where they also used Captain America lol. The most obscure part is that its not a ripoff, they actually bought the rights for that movie.
Noone can deny that in terms lf mechanical web shooters Andrew's one is Goated , with that tiny little red light along with that sound it just feels more realistic and amazing !!
i always thought that spiderman had natural web shooting abilities but it was too weak and not effective enough so the web shooters just made it better or were a replacement or something tbh
i never knew it was either or
I like the combat system in Miles Morales, with the Venom ability it’s impossible for me to take damage, or if I do, the health bar always tends to stay above 50 or 60%
You’re so underrated istg
at the thumbnail i was shocked as i saw a HIDDEN HANDGUN
Peter did have organic webbing in the comics for a short time period.
It's always confused me why Spiderman even has non-organic web shooting devices. Like he's bitten by a radioactive spider... and his most iconic and primary super ability is just some device he made? Why tf even make him bitten by a god damn radioactive spider in the first place if it doesn't serve any purpose. The spider gave him strength and he can stick to walls, why Stan Lee, why?!!
because ... they'd have to make webs come out of his butt. soooo
The web spinner on a spider are actually near their reproductive organs
Because it's cooler to see that one of his most iconic and useful abilities came from his own ingenuity and not from a freak accident spider-bite
But then we run into the problem of every spider-enhanced individual also having web shooters. Making it far less unique, but it was Peter's at the start
spiders have actual organs to do that
I get what you mean, you feel like spider man is very dependable to his device right? otherwise he can't be a complete spider man... but if you think about it, its not just about shooting web and crawling walls, the bite activate his senses and physical abilities not just muscles, his bone flexibility and endurance increased which means even someone use his web shooters can't use/swing like him
stark tech is like chinese tech, full of spyware....in marvel civil war stark figured out peter's spider sense by giving him stark tech and used this against peter
I mean, everyone's tech has spyware
Organic share by toby and noir arent popular but its a bit of body horror that adds some creapy element to an iconic hero
Apparently not only raimy Spider-Man, 2099, and man spider, but also spider cat, spider noir, pavitr prabhakar, and 616 Peter Parker all have organic webs at least in the comics
With that said I’m pretty sure man spider or 2099 were the FIRST organic spiderweb spidermen
616 Peter Parker doesn't have organic webs, however he did get that ability for a brief amount of time
I had no intention on watching this video like at all but I watched the whole thing and I loved it 😂 now I have to subscribe
Awesome!
5:56 THE REAL GUN MAN *insert spider man black suit theme*
Bro gave miles a blicky on the thumbnail lmfao
i love the czech screenshot from the game in 4:55
Hey how long do these take you you keep pumping out amazing content
I do it part time, so I try to release a video every 1-2 weeks or less!
@@RocketRiley very impressive for part time. how do you find the time haha
@@iguessikeepRambling evenings mostly!
So pretty much he only has the ability to stick to walls, sense danger, and is super strong/durable. Organic webs feels better to me
I remember ultamate spider man. Great show
The thumbnail is wild 💀
Miles with a strap 🔫
What image did you use for the organic web shooters in your thumbnail? Looks… interesting.
I would admit that Raimi's webs would be more realistic than the other webshooters, but it's the bare appearance (1:46) of them that triggers my trypophobia and makes me uncomfortable looking at them.
The argument for the ultimate spider man web shooter looking clunky was kind of odd as in the show there's a feature that makes the web shooter camouflage with the suit making it less of an eyesore
The Box bracelet is how Spidey's webshooters looked till about the mid 90's and that's the way I actually prefer it to be honest.
1:00 fun fact: Power Rangers is an American adaptation to the japanese show Super Sentai
Remember me when your famous right now I am 13 nice so 1
Million at this same year
That Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man has the best Spider-Man theme hands down.
Gotta love how long this video is
1:00 well that's because American Power Rangers is based off the original series Super Sentai. That came first and then Power Rangers came next.
sun spider:every1 can be a hero
me:you cant walk
I actually prefer organic web shooters
The organic web shooters make way more sense as i have never seen a spider with a mechanical web shooter
Marveler was the car & Leopardo was his Robot. 日本のスパイダーマン
My favorite remands the original Amazing webshooters. Just really cool looking
I don’t understand how having to grab your web shooters in Spider Boys case made him able to move around more in combat, if anything I’d assume he was moving less since he’d have to grab his gun between punches if he needed to swing away as opposed to just swinging away. 🤨
great timing
The first Spider-Man was that one where Spidey didn't speak and had a comic book foreground and stupid villains, not including the Wall and Japanese Supaidaman was an inspiration for POWER-RANGERS
grew up with Spider-Man TAS and the level of how much I despise the organic web shooters is unmatched and for me, it brings down quality of those movies. I'm so glad that future iterations kept more comic accurate with homemade web shooters than stupid organic ones.
for anyone wondering how he knows how to make web fluid, I like the explanation that was given in Spider-Man TAS.
Zombie Spider-Man uses his veins and arteries AS HIS WEB?
Tbh for the longest time I thought the organic webbing was the main way he used his webbing but then I found out 90% of comics and sources use a web gadget made by Peter
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone describe the device Dr Strange gave to Peter as a web shooter. I don't think that's correct. There was a licensed replica that called it an arm band bracelet.
Ive always preferred the organic web shooters. It was always a lot more interesting
1:01 power rangers is actually an american dub of the japanese show super sentai all bandai did was put some small time actors in to play that characters out of suit and to dub over the talking
Pretty sure the megazord originated from Supaidaman
Really weird how in 2023 you're talking about "American" Power Rangers but don't know that it originated in Japan as Super Sentai Zyuranger, which was inspired by the Spider-Man show that predates it... How little homework did you do for that segment? lol. That's basic knowledge at this point. We even knew that Power Rangers was based on Japanese footage back in the 90s when it first came out.
Imagine seeing the assassin spidey in a dark alley and literally getting killed by finger guns
The ps4 web shooter is so smart so I’m gonna make a web shooter like that
Me personally sun spider should not be a thing just the idea of a disabled Spider-Man just doesn’t make sense
what doesn't make sense about it?
Ive always liked the organic webbing more than him making webshooters. I thought it was originally like that until a while ago. I get that him creating the webshooters shows how smart he is but idk. Maybe it could be through something else like the webwings. I guess I just like a more natural spidey than the more technological versions
I love the japanese spiderman its not just action its drama
Actually sentai spider man is not based on the mighty morphing power rangers, he’s base on the Super sentai characters known in the west as Power Rangers also his giant mech is called Leopardon not marveller that’s his vehicle
Power Rangers is an adaptation of japanese Super Sentai, so resemblance of japanese spiderman to japanese TV show is understandable
what a random selection
using veins as webs is freaky as hell
1977 Web-Shooters (Nicholas Hammond); Spidey doesn't have to do the hand gesture to summon a web. It seems to do it on its own.
The length of the video 💀
Tbh I like how the organic webs became a plot point in Spider-Man 2 when Peter loses his powers
My expectations: Organic Webshooters
What Im told I'll get: Artificial Webshooters
What I actually get: Webshooter Gun
How tf is that shit supposed to increase your mobility and shit? Its literally blocking one hand.
Organic webs in my opinion is what makes Peter Parker Spider-Man. It is the ULTIMATE superpower Peter had in the trilogy.
"resembles american mighty morphin power rangers"
uh no sir, power rangers is from japan too