I agree. Steffy really grew up, especially after having a child. If anything, Liam has become more immature and Hope has become far more nauseatingly “goody-two-shoes”. Even though she’s not so innocent anymore. And now, after having had a kid, Hope has devolved and become a selfish little hypocrite.
Liam was grown up until they brought back Hopeless and turn him into a yes man and whip of Logans who don’t let him see his own daughter because she is jealous of a child..... I really hope the day is coming he will see Hope for the repulsive human being she is 🤞🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I feel like Steffy should have spent more time just talking about random things or a deep conversation and hanging out then talking about Hppe and Liams problems.
So marriage is sacred and should be respected when its between steffy's parents but is just a piece of paper and some words when it comes to liam and hope.... yes that makes total sense.....
Poor Hope, starting a lifetime of misery with Liam. Liam and Steffy should of end up together , the both lack morals….. I think Hope and Wyatt we’re the perfect union. Liams just started by being sketchy…..
@@phahlakazielisamathe4879 I have a love hate relationship with her. Like this current season she’s become one of my favorites. I never thought that I’d say that I like Steffy.
At least Steffy knows she's messed up. Liam, when you met Hope she was in love with Oliver and if Brooke hadn't done what she does so well, Hope would be Mrs. Oliver Jones right now. You might wanna remember that instead of the fairy tale she's trying to push.
@@yao052 Brooke was there to chaperone high school kids not set them a bad example. Any of those kids could have walked out and saw her getting nailed against a wall. So yes, i blame her for her inability to show some common sense for one evening. Whether Oliver and Hope would have had problems, we don't know as the problem that came between them was her horrible mother.
Seriously, what is with Liam continuously letting Steffy kiss him when he's supposed to be completely devoted to Hope? When you're in a real relationship, and someone who isn't your significant other keeps trying to be intimate with you, you put a halt to it and lay down some boundaries, yet Liam keeps letting Steffy do it and doesn't really make a big thing of it.
That's why he's really the one that's the cause of this whole mess. Should have been more firm and direct with steffy and sent her away or if he wanted her, should have ended things with hope if he needed sex so badly. Let her find someone who shares her values
@@ashleyfrancis3439 I'm not upset, I'm just saying. And why would I blame the writers? They're doing their jobs lol if they didn't write content that struck people on some level so that we are here commenting and discussing with one another, tuning in to the channel so that they get views then they wouldn't have a show
I think if Steffy had stayed away from Liam he would have sought her out as it proved in later episodes.Steffy always got blamed yet Liam often found Steffy This is the bond and Hope couldn't break it ever but Steffy could have broken the bond he had with Hope but she became adult and more sincere
Lol Liam use to be so hilariously naive back then. Letting Steffy take his shirt off, obviously trying to seduce him by giving him a "massage" and he just assumed it was nothing but friendly lol
How is Eric’s Ridge fake father? What do you mean by that? I thought Ridge is Stephanie’s son and Stephanie was Eric’s husband. Ridge didn't even know that Eric was not his biological father until he was an adult. In English that is called step-father. Eric is Ridge’s father and not a fake father.
@ Holly W Doesn’t that mean that my adapted father is my fake father? I don’t really understand much about the fake father. Ridge didn’t know that Eric wasn’t his biological father until he was an adult. The only father that he really know is Eric and not Marona
@@cias_food Ridge grew up as Eric’s son. He is Stephanie’s son and Eric raised him as his own. Hope on the other hand has no relation to Eric whatsoever. Neither one of her parents are related to Eric.
@@cias_food Wow you should look up some of the shows history. Steffy and Thomas are Eric and Stephanie's grandchildren unlike Hope who only calls them Dad and Grandpa when she wants something from them. When Ridge sticks up for his kids which back then wasn't often that is when Hope calls him Ridge.
That's the same tricks staffy used to get through to bill bad mouthing hope every chance she gets like why don't she get alife and Aman of her dreams and sex doesn't mean that hope is not a woman I my self I respect hope,s decision to wait until marriage
If I were Liam, I would say to her "If you can't accept OUR decision and OUR engagement, there's the door you can walk out of." BUT...he is just not strong enough, to say this to her.
Its weird how they rewrite history where Ridge was in/out of his kids lives when he was actually around more than Taylor because she 'died' and Brooke helped raise them like they were her own...and Steffy/Phoebe/Thomas loved having RJ/Hope living with them as a family.
i am really enjoying all the post about Hope , Liam, and the 3rd wheel , so many different excuses to try to make it like Steffy was in the right to go after Liam, and how what a great parent Taylor is and the excuses for her encouraging Steffy.. but most especially all the post about it being BROOKE'S fault lol if this was actually real life Steffy and mommie dearest would have got the brakes beat off their ignorant faces....but it is entertaining to read the sales pitches of why it's ok for them and not others 😂
Wow MsGhost79 hate is very strong word. But I do understand how you feel...Because my loathe feeling for all the Logans can border disdainful hate. 😏🤷🏽♀️
@@UrGworlCanCan I like the Logan girls. I love their unity inspite of the sick sh-t they do with each other's men. They're very close. They're wonderful mothers inspite of their sicknesses. Crazy right? I have mixed emotions where Brooke is concern.
@@rasheedahtalib2361 I find that the Logans are very disingenuous and extremely opportunistic. Their relationships are always based on untrue feelings that are back up by selfish reasoning. The very foundation to them even existing on B&B proves and ratifies my point.👩🏽⚖ The only Logan I liked was Storm. His character was quite interesting and complex.
@@UrGworlCanCan I'm inclined to disagree some what with you. Hope is one of the most selfless characters in Soap's history!!! Katie isn't so bad. But the writers tarnished her when they put her with Ridge then with her ex's son Wyatt (just plain nasty). Your ex's son??? That's just disgusting!!!! Poor Brooke, the Character is just like a door. Men come in and they go out, and they all want to go back desperately 😆😆😆. Donna's just a loose cannon. I still like them, the Unity they have amongst themselves is outstanding. I could never be close to a sister who married my husband!!! NEVER!!! Sharing men is no no as far as I'm concerned. I'm not crazy about their characters, but I love their hearts which shines clear. They do not act with intentional malice unless someone acts upon them with malice. Yeah, they're all trashy characters including the men. I didn't appreciate Hope and Wtatt's relationship although the relationship between Wyatt and Liam wasn't known by Hope until after they became involved. Nevertheless, the affair continued she even married him and conceived a child with him without any concern that she'd been with Wyatt's brother and still loved his brother! Disgusting!!! Inspite of this behavior in my opinion, she's the most selfless character of Soap's history!
They're not disingenuous tho. They do really care and not just opportunistic. Brooke adores her men for a while 😆😆😆. Now Donna and Eric I agree with you. Katie was in love with all her men. You know the story of Hope and Brooke too. She started out wanting the life of a Forrester but really fell in love with Ridge and Bill.
Why is Hopeless still wearing white she is not I mean Not a Virgin any more. That is for purity and clean sorry u r a hypocrite. Why she didn't except Liam for who he is not someone that never makes mistakes everyone does. Moral Hopeless threw that out the window long time ago.
This was so long ago and of the 3 of them only steffi is the one that has grown up
I agree. Steffy really grew up, especially after having a child. If anything, Liam has become more immature and Hope has become far more nauseatingly “goody-two-shoes”. Even though she’s not so innocent anymore. And now, after having had a kid, Hope has devolved and become a selfish little hypocrite.
Liam was grown up until they brought back Hopeless and turn him into a yes man and whip of Logans who don’t let him see his own daughter because she is jealous of a child..... I really hope the day is coming he will see Hope for the repulsive human being she is 🤞🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Steffy hasn't grown up
@@shirleymorris1099 yes she is
Lol Liam tried so hard to convince himself that Hope was the one and all Steffy had to do was plant one kiss to prove he full of it
Hope always reminds me of a twelve year old playing dress up being a bride
Lol yess
Yeah Hope acts like she's a Disney Princess and expects everything to work out perfectly, and reality slaps her in the face every single time
yeah like in the barbie world , just like the mother XD
Oh Liam, you’re in way over your head with this one. Playin with fire.
The way Liam was looking at Steffy...no telling what would've happened if Hope didn't call.
Oh they definitely would have did it on the couch lol
Why Liam didn’t tell Hope that Steffy was There? Coz he had feelings for Steffy too!!!
because she didn`t want to upset hope
Steffy she pout self in liam hand paper bag of all hope boyfriend
That dress is beautiful
I feel like Steffy should have spent more time just talking about random things or a deep conversation and hanging out then talking about Hppe and Liams problems.
She would’ve talk about anything else because she wants Liam and just trashing Hope will get him, away to go Steffy but don’t cry when you get yours
I always said that Steffy is a hypocrite she always judge Brooke but she turn up like her how she always went for guys that were in relationship
Lol and Brooke always judged Steffy
Steffy is Brooke 2.0
Liam is Ridge 2.0
Hence why Liam and Steffy always find their way back to each other
Oooohhh Justin!! Seems like he had a thang for the Doc
Our South African Actress, Terry Phetho 🥰🥰🥰
So marriage is sacred and should be respected when its between steffy's parents but is just a piece of paper and some words when it comes to liam and hope.... yes that makes total sense.....
Why should Steffy and Taylor respect any Logan marriages they never have respected any Forester marriages.
@@kimberlygould8293 bcz, logans are all over themself and fame, and how to get and control their mens
That's BS to tell Liam he was her first love. She told Oliver the same thing. Such a liar! She was going to marry Oliver. WOW 😳! Hypocrite much?
Eric is technically hope's step grandfather
how?
incest family?
Poor Hope, starting a lifetime of misery with Liam. Liam and Steffy should of end up together , the both lack morals….. I think Hope and Wyatt we’re the perfect union. Liams just started by being sketchy…..
i love steffy
JMS is an amazing actress. JMW and SC do compliment each other very well. They are excellent actors.
I hate steffy so so much trouble make
@@phahlakazielisamathe4879 I have a love hate relationship with her. Like this current season she’s become one of my favorites. I never thought that I’d say that I like Steffy.
At least Steffy knows she's messed up. Liam, when you met Hope she was in love with Oliver and if Brooke hadn't done what she does so well, Hope would be Mrs. Oliver Jones right now. You might wanna remember that instead of the fairy tale she's trying to push.
Or they would have had other problems and have broken up. Btw, what happened between Brooke and Oliver is the fault of BOTH of them not just Brooke.
@@yao052 Brooke was there to chaperone high school kids not set them a bad example. Any of those kids could have walked out and saw her getting nailed against a wall. So yes, i blame her for her inability to show some common sense for one evening. Whether Oliver and Hope would have had problems, we don't know as the problem that came between them was her horrible mother.
Hahajahaj
And steffie would still be bills mistress if he didn't dump her.
@@songriver1232 quite possible, but that doesn't change the fact that Hope was all about Oliver until her mother boinked him.
Seriously, what is with Liam continuously letting Steffy kiss him when he's supposed to be completely devoted to Hope? When you're in a real relationship, and someone who isn't your significant other keeps trying to be intimate with you, you put a halt to it and lay down some boundaries, yet Liam keeps letting Steffy do it and doesn't really make a big thing of it.
That's why he's really the one that's the cause of this whole mess. Should have been more firm and direct with steffy and sent her away or if he wanted her, should have ended things with hope if he needed sex so badly. Let her find someone who shares her values
@@treenzmj3699 calm down it is just acting blame the writers
@@ashleyfrancis3439 I'm not upset, I'm just saying. And why would I blame the writers? They're doing their jobs lol if they didn't write content that struck people on some level so that we are here commenting and discussing with one another, tuning in to the channel so that they get views then they wouldn't have a show
@@treenzmj3699 okay
I am sorry
if liams phone hadn't of rang things may have been very different
Hope is acting like a teenager playing dress up
Hope was Either 19 or 20 back then, so she was pretty much a teenager
Steffy and Taylor need to stay out of Hope and Lam's relationship
How many times can he tell her he loves Hope
LMMFAO The vows in the mirror took me tf out 😂😂
That was so dumb...her thing in the mirror. Shows how immature she is.
yeah she is so herself
got some issues she is really are
I think if Steffy had stayed away from Liam he would have sought her out as it proved in later episodes.Steffy always got blamed yet Liam often found Steffy
This is the bond and Hope couldn't break it ever but Steffy could have broken the bond he had with Hope but she became adult and more sincere
Steffy I am watching you messy with the worry guy I see you are the one is worry with too much issue for yourself that you have got all on your own
Lol Liam use to be so hilariously naive back then. Letting Steffy take his shirt off, obviously trying to seduce him by giving him a "massage" and he just assumed it was nothing but friendly lol
Liam looked like he wanted to go back for some more after Steffy kissed him.
steffy was right Hope bossed Liam and dictated all the time
How is Eric related to Hope? She just said “my grandfather.”
He is her fake grandfather just like Ridge is her fake daddy.
Hope is a Sharpe or Logan.
How is Eric’s Ridge fake father? What do you mean by that? I thought Ridge is Stephanie’s son and Stephanie was Eric’s husband. Ridge didn't even know that Eric was not his biological father until he was an adult. In English that is called step-father. Eric is Ridge’s father and not a fake father.
@@maryhafiku3912 ridge is massimo Marin’s son. His Half brother is nick maroni.
@ Holly W Doesn’t that mean that my adapted father is my fake father? I don’t really understand much about the fake father. Ridge didn’t know that Eric wasn’t his biological father until he was an adult. The only father that he really know is Eric and not Marona
🇿🇦 Cape town! 👍
Who is hope calling her grandfather 👴 Eric made the dress and I’m sure he’s her brother Eric’s dad
She's views Ridge as her dad
He's her step grandfather by way of Ridge.
Lol this is very true. In fact he is her Step-father/Step-grandfather all in one. 🤣🤣But only when it's convenient. Such titles tend to be RELAXED.
Who is Steffy and Thomas calling Eric grandfather.It's not. Massimo Marone is the grandfather.
Ehrenfied Ostermann unlike Hope Ridge never new Eric wasn’t his father until he was a grown man with kids
How many times HV steffy been to this house. First with sugar daddy and now son son
I like Steffy and Liam. They have a grown-up relationship
Eric is NOT you grandfather hope
katherine french
He’s not Steffy’s either but she calls him grandpa 🤷🏾♀️
Sarah P he’s more Steffys grandfather than Hopes. Maybe Hope should look up Deacons family to find a grand paw
@@cias_food Ridge grew up as Eric’s son. He is Stephanie’s son and Eric raised him as his own. Hope on the other hand has no relation to Eric whatsoever. Neither one of her parents are related to Eric.
@@cias_food Wow you should look up some of the shows history. Steffy and Thomas are Eric and Stephanie's grandchildren unlike Hope who only calls them Dad and Grandpa when she wants something from them. When Ridge sticks up for his kids which back then wasn't often that is when Hope calls him Ridge.
Ridge is her stepfather and Eric is her grandfather. Why they had her quit calling Ridge dad I’ll never know.
It's so ridiculous the way steffy keeps throwing herself at Liam..
Girl give it up it he keeps turning you down your embarrassing yourself..ugh
That's the same tricks staffy used to get through to bill bad mouthing hope every chance she gets like why don't she get alife and Aman of her dreams and sex doesn't mean that hope is not a woman I my self I respect hope,s decision to wait until marriage
3 months LOL As fast as those people get married, 3 months is like 3 years....Hope was definetly scared of having sex. 😂
If I were Liam, I would say to her "If you can't accept OUR decision and OUR engagement, there's the door you can walk out of."
BUT...he is just not strong enough, to say this to her.
Seriously Steffy 😂😂
Its weird how they rewrite history where Ridge was in/out of his kids lives when he was actually around more than Taylor because she 'died' and Brooke helped raise them like they were her own...and Steffy/Phoebe/Thomas loved having RJ/Hope living with them as a family.
i am really enjoying all the post about Hope , Liam, and the 3rd wheel , so many different excuses to try to make it like Steffy was in the right to go after Liam, and how what a great parent Taylor is and the excuses for her encouraging Steffy.. but most especially all the post about it being BROOKE'S fault lol if this was actually real life Steffy and mommie dearest would have got the brakes beat off their ignorant faces....but it is entertaining to read the sales pitches of why it's ok for them and not others 😂
Hope it's that three months that Liam ave problem with in saps three months is a lifetime
Came here for Terry Pheto
Who??
@@raytang76 katy's doctor
The last non-HD episode.
Hope is a child playing dress up… she’s too mentally young to be married.
yep. she's still like in her teenager world
Better quality
Steffy tried to seduce owen too!He rejected her! She couldn't have the the father so she turned to the son.
Liam wouldn’t even reject a goat at this point
@@MsGhost79 😂😂😂😂😂 I know that's right!!!
Oh she didnt try, liam was very interested!
owen wanted Steffy lol remember the episodes
actually you missed early episodes where Oliver said you never wanted me it was all a game anyway
They make me sick. I hate Liam and Steffy
Wow MsGhost79 hate is very strong word. But I do understand how you feel...Because my loathe feeling for all the Logans can border disdainful hate. 😏🤷🏽♀️
@@UrGworlCanCan I like the Logan girls. I love their unity inspite of the sick sh-t they do with each other's men. They're very close. They're wonderful mothers inspite of their sicknesses. Crazy right? I have mixed emotions where Brooke is concern.
@@rasheedahtalib2361 I find that the Logans are very disingenuous and extremely opportunistic. Their relationships are always based on untrue feelings that are back up by selfish reasoning. The very foundation to them even existing on B&B proves and ratifies my point.👩🏽⚖ The only Logan I liked was Storm. His character was quite interesting and complex.
@@UrGworlCanCan I'm inclined to disagree some what with you. Hope is one of the most selfless characters in Soap's history!!! Katie isn't so bad. But the writers tarnished her when they put her with Ridge then with her ex's son Wyatt (just plain nasty). Your ex's son??? That's just disgusting!!!! Poor Brooke, the Character is just like a door. Men come in and they go out, and they all want to go back desperately 😆😆😆. Donna's just a loose cannon. I still like them, the Unity they have amongst themselves is outstanding. I could never be close to a sister who married my husband!!! NEVER!!! Sharing men is no no as far as I'm concerned. I'm not crazy about their characters, but I love their hearts which shines clear. They do not act with intentional malice unless someone acts upon them with malice. Yeah, they're all trashy characters including the men. I didn't appreciate Hope and Wtatt's relationship although the relationship between Wyatt and Liam wasn't known by Hope until after they became involved. Nevertheless, the affair continued she even married him and conceived a child with him without any concern that she'd been with Wyatt's brother and still loved his brother! Disgusting!!! Inspite of this behavior in my opinion, she's the most selfless character of Soap's history!
They're not disingenuous tho. They do really care and not just opportunistic. Brooke adores her men for a while 😆😆😆. Now Donna and Eric I agree with you. Katie was in love with all her men. You know the story of Hope and Brooke too. She started out wanting the life of a Forrester but really fell in love with Ridge and Bill.
I wish hope can brush all her hair to the back and not brush some on her forehead
Why is Hopeless still wearing white she is not I mean Not a Virgin any more. That is for purity and clean sorry u r a hypocrite. Why she didn't except Liam for who he is not someone that never makes mistakes everyone does. Moral Hopeless threw that out the window long time ago.
So Liam was not her first men? That's happens really in her life with Oliver?
Steffy took advantage of does Hope not in LA and Liam.
I am getting sick of Steffy
Not into Hope at all in these episodes