This same vid but with Bauer sticks like the ag5nt,sync and hyper lite would be awesome since they don’t do supreme anymore. Would be interesting to see how the mid kick does against the standard vapor and the advanced vapor
That is if your only metric is shot speed. A lot of people get a better release with their shots given a different kick point. I personally have a better shot with a supreme than a nexus ( better release and more contol) I think that If you tried all the sticks you would find one you prefer, especially if you left the radar gun out of it
Id really like it if you guys did a vid describing how the different kickpoints feel in comparison to each other. This would be a great help to those who haven't gone through an arsenal of hockey sticks and figured out how each kick point feels and what they like best. As someone who's likely going to be looking at new sticks for the next season, Id really like to be able to figure out if I want to try a new kickpoint, or stick with what I've been using.
Broke my stick. I’m a right winger who loves to take snap shots from the top of the circle and at the red dot. Should I get a trigger 7 pro or AS V pro?
If I could give this video two thumbs up, I would. Great to see a comparison of the sticks by category of the three different shot types. Moreover, adding the radar gun to it just makes the video so much better. I still value Tommy's opinion, but it is nice to get a scientific read out. The biggest takeaway I got from this video is that the sticks perform pretty much within range of each other. All else being equal, you might eke out a couple mph depending on stick and shot type. But overall, it's not like the ASV Pro is blowing the Trigger 7 out of the water in terms of slap shots. I look forward to seeing you guys do the same test on Bauer and maybe Sherwood sticks. What would be really great is if you can do a comparison between the budget friendly sticks vs the higher end sticks. I want to know how much double to triple the price is buying me! Don't know if you are planning to do this, but it would be wonderful to see a comparison video between the sticks for stick handling. After watching so many stick reviews from various TH-camrs, stick handling seems like an afterthought in many of them. Maybe Tommy can go through a simple obstacle course and rank the sticks by puck feel, control, passing, pass receiving, sauce passing etc. In any case, great job on the video. Keep it up!
@@calvinilkay1067 in this video it's in MPH not KMH though. I have the same as them and in KMH I got 126kmh or 78 mph. Impossible this guy has just 60.
Whilst you compared the 3 top of the line sticks I seem to miss a bit of info here. Player metrics (weight and height) and stick flex. Did you mention that? Of course I assume all three sticks were same flex. and curve - say 85 flex P28
Buy a bushnell radar gun and try again, those cheap radar guns give really inconsistent results and is trash if you actually want to know how hard you shoot.
I like the idea of the video concept however, I am not entirely confident in the results. The radar gun being used is known to produce unreliable data. A buddy of mine tested it and similar results to what you found were witnessed however, when testing using a bushnell radar the results were vastly different. ~15 mph difference between clappers and wristers. Again I really like the concept of the video however, I’m a bit concerned that the results don’t reflect ground truth.
It wouldn't be since that radar gun is basically trash, you could see it from the fact that the closer the shot was to the radar the harder it counted, they should get a proper radar like the bushnell or pocket radar.
@@AlanenJ that's unfortunately true of most consumer-available radar guns. Depending on how the gun is designed, one object coming at "angle A" will read differently than another object coming at "angle B" ... even though they are traveling at the same speed. Other than insuring that every puck moves relative to the radar position the same way on each shot ... the only other way to mitigate that is by averaging the shots (with the assumption that over the course of the shots the same variances of angles will be recorded). Of course ... the over all point is that 5 shots taking the highest reading is a poor test.
So as fun as this vid is.. it’s a flawed test. There are so many of the test parameters have too many variables. Not to mention that the radar that they are using really is not a reliable radar and the fluctuation point between readings are crazy. Also by soli using the highest speed clocked instead of a accumulation of all five shots, removing the highest and lowest numbers and finding the accurate average speed. Would be a better way to run this test … also blacking out the stick so there is no category biased and also maintaining a designated shot point would further more add real value to this type of testing ..but with all that bull shit being said … great video boys loads of fun …
Can't trust the radar as it often registers the actual swing speed of the stick as opposed to the puck. I've got one and it's easy to fool it just by swinging your stick (i.e. without hitting a puck).
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial in that case you must have had a special edition as there's lots of comments with players that experience the very same thing. Regardless, always interesting content!
@@andersborum9267 That happens to the hockey shot extreme radar i have. The manual does state that you do need to be something like a minimum of 19 feet away to fight this happening. in my basement where i only have like 19/20 feet max i trip it all the time. when i got to the ODR, i can get further away and it's fine.
I don’t think you can grade which is best at what off of one shot personal bests. It would probably be more accurate to calculate the averages, then you also have to account for him starting to fatigue as it goes on
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This same vid but with Bauer sticks like the ag5nt,sync and hyper lite would be awesome since they don’t do supreme anymore. Would be interesting to see how the mid kick does against the standard vapor and the advanced vapor
What I take from this is….Basically it actually doesn’t matter what stick you buy when you’re not a pro.
Exactly
That is if your only metric is shot speed. A lot of people get a better release with their shots given a different kick point. I personally have a better shot with a supreme than a nexus ( better release and more contol) I think that If you tried all the sticks you would find one you prefer, especially if you left the radar gun out of it
Even if you are a pro it doesn't really mean much and it's all about preference and how you like the feel to be in terms of kick point
@@Chanmantroop10100% Ovi would still score a bunch of goals no matter what stick
could we possibly also get this with bauer please?
Awesome intent but the radar gun wasn’t set up properly
Id really like it if you guys did a vid describing how the different kickpoints feel in comparison to each other. This would be a great help to those who haven't gone through an arsenal of hockey sticks and figured out how each kick point feels and what they like best. As someone who's likely going to be looking at new sticks for the next season, Id really like to be able to figure out if I want to try a new kickpoint, or stick with what I've been using.
Broke my stick. I’m a right winger who loves to take snap shots from the top of the circle and at the red dot. Should I get a trigger 7 pro or AS V pro?
If I could give this video two thumbs up, I would. Great to see a comparison of the sticks by category of the three different shot types. Moreover, adding the radar gun to it just makes the video so much better. I still value Tommy's opinion, but it is nice to get a scientific read out. The biggest takeaway I got from this video is that the sticks perform pretty much within range of each other. All else being equal, you might eke out a couple mph depending on stick and shot type. But overall, it's not like the ASV Pro is blowing the Trigger 7 out of the water in terms of slap shots. I look forward to seeing you guys do the same test on Bauer and maybe Sherwood sticks. What would be really great is if you can do a comparison between the budget friendly sticks vs the higher end sticks. I want to know how much double to triple the price is buying me!
Don't know if you are planning to do this, but it would be wonderful to see a comparison video between the sticks for stick handling. After watching so many stick reviews from various TH-camrs, stick handling seems like an afterthought in many of them. Maybe Tommy can go through a simple obstacle course and rank the sticks by puck feel, control, passing, pass receiving, sauce passing etc.
In any case, great job on the video. Keep it up!
The 68mph on the wrist shot was almost directly at the radar. That will make it read higher.
ye they aren’t accurate i hit 65 when i was 10 lol
@@Colbyw74maybe km/h, but I call cap
I think those types of radars are hideously inaccurate
Great idea, this radar gun is too sketchy to get anything accurate & repeatable
Any shot we can get a video of off ice training/gym routine?
This just makes you realize how fast NHL shots are
Keep in mind these particular radar units are nowhere near as good as the are in the nhl skills test.
@@ARyanCoke yeah in my local hockey store I get like 80-90kmh with snapshot and my best was like 96kmh. The radar guns are pretty inconsistent
@@calvinilkay1067 in this video it's in MPH not KMH though. I have the same as them and in KMH I got 126kmh or 78 mph. Impossible this guy has just 60.
@@calvinilkay1067 by the way 96 kmh is like 59 mph, it's not a fast shot at all 😅depending of your age and weight too !
one thing crazy is that an NHL player's wrist shot is an average 80-90, Bedard hit an 87 mph
Do you have a video of where he shot 87?
@@AlanenJ popped up on a shot clock in one of the world jr games last year
i have the same radar and my friend whos 6’ 160ish hit 85 at 15 for a snapper
@@Colbyw74 ok
@@Colbyw74cap but ok
I think one reason the slapshots weren't as crazy were because of the curve. Something like a P29, W05, W01, etc. do much better with slapshots.
What curve was it? And the p29 and w01 are like complete opposites no?
@@SEAL7471 No, the P88 is closer, but they're all neutral curves. They don't create much lift and are gradual curves with large sweet spots.
@@TheGreatChrisB the curve doesn’t matter as long as you’re good with it
Just a video Idea, you should try spray painting the bottom of your stick white, test it out and tell us how Tommy feels about it
Whilst you compared the 3 top of the line sticks I seem to miss a bit of info here. Player metrics (weight and height) and stick flex. Did you mention that? Of course I assume all three sticks were same flex. and curve - say 85 flex P28
Could you guys compare that radar to the hockeyshot radar I want to but one but I wanna know what’s best for that much money
I have a question
Is trigger 7 pro good for defensman ?
Buy a bushnell radar gun and try again, those cheap radar guns give really inconsistent results and is trash if you actually want to know how hard you shoot.
100%
Great video cab you do this with warrior as well please
Why is there not a muffin emoji? When I need it more now than ever 😂😂
I like the idea of the video concept however, I am not entirely confident in the results. The radar gun being used is known to produce unreliable data. A buddy of mine tested it and similar results to what you found were witnessed however, when testing using a bushnell radar the results were vastly different. ~15 mph difference between clappers and wristers.
Again I really like the concept of the video however, I’m a bit concerned that the results don’t reflect ground truth.
Yeah that radar gun is more toy than tool
I'd think the average speed of each would be more informative than the 1 shot max.
It wouldn't be since that radar gun is basically trash, you could see it from the fact that the closer the shot was to the radar the harder it counted, they should get a proper radar like the bushnell or pocket radar.
@@AlanenJ that's unfortunately true of most consumer-available radar guns. Depending on how the gun is designed, one object coming at "angle A" will read differently than another object coming at "angle B" ... even though they are traveling at the same speed.
Other than insuring that every puck moves relative to the radar position the same way on each shot ... the only other way to mitigate that is by averaging the shots (with the assumption that over the course of the shots the same variances of angles will be recorded).
Of course ... the over all point is that 5 shots taking the highest reading is a poor test.
agreed
Just need to catch some ice on the Snap shots
So as fun as this vid is.. it’s a flawed test. There are so many of the test parameters have too many variables. Not to mention that the radar that they are using really is not a reliable radar and the fluctuation point between readings are crazy. Also by soli using the highest speed clocked instead of a accumulation of all five shots, removing the highest and lowest numbers and finding the accurate average speed. Would be a better way to run this test … also blacking out the stick so there is no category biased and also maintaining a designated shot point would further more add real value to this type of testing ..but with all that bull shit being said … great video boys loads of fun …
Can't trust the radar as it often registers the actual swing speed of the stick as opposed to the puck. I've got one and it's easy to fool it just by swinging your stick (i.e. without hitting a puck).
Not true. We actually tested this multiple times. There was no reading. Only when something went past it
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial in that case you must have had a special edition as there's lots of comments with players that experience the very same thing.
Regardless, always interesting content!
@@andersborum9267 That happens to the hockey shot extreme radar i have. The manual does state that you do need to be something like a minimum of 19 feet away to fight this happening. in my basement where i only have like 19/20 feet max i trip it all the time. when i got to the ODR, i can get further away and it's fine.
what feels most consistent after shooting all those in a row tho, which felt best and why
Do it with Bauer now
you need to release from the heal and not the toe
Cheers
So...basically you can buy any of these sticks and get pretty much the same results
Ya that’s why it’s better to get something cheaper
It's the shooter, not the stick. Although the right stick helps.
It’s not the stick it’s the player
I'm 14 and I can shoot harder lol
4TH
So you’re telling me that strength, technique and skill make your shot better not the stick. CCM are a bunch of liars!!!
Imagine……
Your integrity went out the window with the top sticks of 2023 video...
So why are you still here ??
65 is about passing speed at aa hockey
All do respect, that's why he's playing semi-pro in the UK ...
I play AAAA hockey. My sauce alone is about 82 mph a second.
My wrister is 110 kmh or 68mph and I play Single A u15
@@AlanenJ I regularly break the posts simply by passing saucers, so .. there's that.
@@3rdlineplug 82 miles per hour per second
I don’t think you can grade which is best at what off of one shot personal bests. It would probably be more accurate to calculate the averages, then you also have to account for him starting to fatigue as it goes on
Agree. Although entertaining, there's very little science to this measurement and/or comparison.
Trigger 7 pro is awesome. Great vid!