I forgot to add a point which is referenced in the thumbnail. If someone told me RTZ was the best Dota2 player of all-time the main argument against him would be lack of majors and TI, but he played amazingly at a lot of those tournaments and his longevity earns him a spot in the conversation. The comparison to NiKo is very apt.
Don't mean any glazing but for me you're the most important content creator in the scene. Even if u have certain biases for a player (aleksiB) I've never seen you downplaying others. I've been hearing or seeing a lot of CS related content since past 4-5 years and yours is the one objectively better than other podcasts/interviews etc. Hope you keep doing what you're doing. You're definitely irreplaceable in the scene.
It actually hadn't dawned on me that he's been in the conversation for best rifler for 8 years now. He's even outlasted s1mple unless he makes a comeback.
Agreed 100%, and the point about Guardian's and NiKo's situation is very very valid. The advantage of having a team speaking your mother tounge is so underappreciated
Dev1ce and S1mple are my #1 and #2. However, Niko, Shox and Krimz belong in this discussion! Don’t understand why anyone could say Coldzera, Get_right or Zywoo before them.
Its impossible for him to top the greatest awpers when being a rifler in todays cs. He is at a massive disadvantage immediate. I would say beating 2021 S1mples record of 40 maps with a +rating by doing 41 Maps while being a rifler is proof enough he is one of the greatest players to ever touch the game
@@xlgapelsin6173 it has nothing to do with him not being an awper. Zywoo and s1mple are still better riflers than niko. Zywoo hardly uses the awp honestly and he was still the undisputed best player of 2023. If zywoo was only a rifler he would be #1. It is possible to surpass the best awpers as a rifler Niko just isnt good enough
@@iamgroot3615idk about that one. Zywoo and s1mple would be better with the rifle i agree. But niko basically surpassed every awper already outside of those 2. I cant confidently pick an awper who is better than niko except maybe device or prime kennys. But even then niko has been doing it for that long
@@iamgroot3615no they are not wtf, bro is literally entry fragger and getting crazy ratings. S1mple and zywoo are star players and everyone is playing to accomodate them, in no way they cant do what niko is doing with the rifle for such a long time with so many metas changing
I do agree that Niko definitely could be the goat but Get_right and NIP was as amazing back in the day. I would like to see some actual numbers to back everyone
Get_Right and Forest enter the conversation if it's CS as a whole by the grace of being gods across a prolonged period between multiple games. Niko might actually be entering the same discussion now, we'll see with CS2, though the difference between version isnt nearly as drastic. (at the same time, 8 years of csgo have changed it so much so that's something to note too)
zywoo is amazing but zywoo fans are the opposite, gosh they are annoying they either pull up stats (mostly using impact rating that is skewed as explained by snappi) or when they get disproven they just deny it s1mple fans are like mj fans and zywoo fans are like lebron fans except are worse
@@hiimroo3120 Which is why when you compare niko with other goat contenders, you should not give him a bonus saying that he was 'only rifling'. He was not able to bring the next level impact even when awping. Simple, device and zywoo were able to bring that next level of impact with the better weapon while niko was unable to.
Yes, he absolutely deserves to be in the GOAT conversation. But I only disagree with the argument that he can be considered a better "player" than his competition which are using awp just because he is doing it with a lesser gun. The awp is the most powerful gun in the game and niko cannot be one of the best main awper in the world, that is a fact and we saw it in G2 when he tried. We cannot just factor out the awp when considering the best players, if you are the best, use everything and prove it. If u can't deliver the best results(stats or impact wise), i don't care how good you are with lesser gun. The thing is he just isnt one of the best with awp, and that should remain as a bad point. Also, him not using the krieg when it was better than the ak is one of the bad points about niko because he willingly CHOSE to be at a disadvantage for his TEAM. Imagine being the best rifler in the world and chosing not to use the krieg when it was the best weapon in the game, he could've improved his teams chances of winning by so much if he did it.
thorin specifically says csgo in the first minute of the video. also, literally nobody cares who the "goat" of cs2 is considering the game has been out for a few months. obviously.
Come on man, when you talked about winning major in your own langauge, you "accidentally" forgot about Zywoo. He won his in international team, when like 2 years he didn't even know any english
When even westerners know Ukrainians speak Russian because Ukrainian as a language is so unorganized and unteachable (there's no consensus on an official textbook definition of the language and never will be) is hilarious to me as someone who speaks Russian and understands Ukrainian. There will never be a Ukrainian speaking team, trust me, it will be impossible to get it to work.
No he doesn't, you can't be in the GOAT conversation if you've continuously choked in big matches. Cologne 2023 is the only meaningful time he stepped up when it counted, every other meaningful trophy he won was because jks, rain, hunter, guardian or someone else carried him while he played very average.
best rifler is a cope, zywoo and simple are better riflers than niko, but since they're better players they get to play with the best weapon in the game, that is the awp.
that's not what I said, I said that simple and zywoo don't get the title of best riflers because they are also excellent awpers so that talent should be used for awping because it's a vital weapon in counter strike@@pezza2100
I forgot to add a point which is referenced in the thumbnail. If someone told me RTZ was the best Dota2 player of all-time the main argument against him would be lack of majors and TI, but he played amazingly at a lot of those tournaments and his longevity earns him a spot in the conversation. The comparison to NiKo is very apt.
Don't mean any glazing but for me you're the most important content creator in the scene. Even if u have certain biases for a player (aleksiB) I've never seen you downplaying others. I've been hearing or seeing a lot of CS related content since past 4-5 years and yours is the one objectively better than other podcasts/interviews etc. Hope you keep doing what you're doing. You're definitely irreplaceable in the scene.
His longevity is beyond s1mple and device.
You guys may hate him but you should give him the credits that he deserves.
It actually hadn't dawned on me that he's been in the conversation for best rifler for 8 years now. He's even outlasted s1mple unless he makes a comeback.
I would say he will if s1mple doesn't come back strong. s1mple was still undoubtedly a top player in 2023 just not close to being the best.
Zywoo has about as many years in the top 2 as cold has years as a relevant tier one player
Crazy isn't it. And that's no knock on Cold.
exactly @@AstroSully
NiKo is the GOAT AIMer
I was grinning ear to ear this entire video
LFN + Thorin upload at the same time = perfect evening 👌
Agreed 100%, and the point about Guardian's and NiKo's situation is very very valid. The advantage of having a team speaking your mother tounge is so underappreciated
Havent seen this flawles aim in Any fps whit rifles and pistols
Comparing Karrigan to Niko or Simple is like comparing Gretzky to Patrick Roy lol
I was so fucking confused when I saw Arteezy on the thumbnail lmfao
Dev1ce and S1mple are my #1 and #2. However, Niko, Shox and Krimz belong in this discussion! Don’t understand why anyone could say Coldzera, Get_right or Zywoo before them.
who is that guy on the right in the thumbnail?
i think it rtz from dota
Niko needs at least one major and a year or two over Simple/Zywoo to be considered in the goat debate
Its impossible for him to top the greatest awpers when being a rifler in todays cs. He is at a massive disadvantage immediate. I would say beating 2021 S1mples record of 40 maps with a +rating by doing 41 Maps while being a rifler is proof enough he is one of the greatest players to ever touch the game
@@xlgapelsin6173 it has nothing to do with him not being an awper. Zywoo and s1mple are still better riflers than niko. Zywoo hardly uses the awp honestly and he was still the undisputed best player of 2023. If zywoo was only a rifler he would be #1. It is possible to surpass the best awpers as a rifler Niko just isnt good enough
@@iamgroot3615idk about that one. Zywoo and s1mple would be better with the rifle i agree. But niko basically surpassed every awper already outside of those 2. I cant confidently pick an awper who is better than niko except maybe device or prime kennys. But even then niko has been doing it for that long
@@iamgroot3615no they are not wtf, bro is literally entry fragger and getting crazy ratings. S1mple and zywoo are star players and everyone is playing to accomodate them, in no way they cant do what niko is doing with the rifle for such a long time with so many metas changing
@@muaz3708Niko isn’t an entry fragger lol. He’s an aggressive lurker but there’s a difference
ye he not bad with rifle but s1mple in prime with ak and deagle was smthing else
I do agree that Niko definitely could be the goat but Get_right and NIP was as amazing back in the day. I would like to see some actual numbers to back everyone
Get_Right and Forest enter the conversation if it's CS as a whole by the grace of being gods across a prolonged period between multiple games.
Niko might actually be entering the same discussion now, we'll see with CS2, though the difference between version isnt nearly as drastic. (at the same time, 8 years of csgo have changed it so much so that's something to note too)
Niko goat rifler of csgo
norbert 1 major
nah he is like 4th
zywoo is amazing
but zywoo fans are the opposite, gosh they are annoying
they either pull up stats (mostly using impact rating that is skewed as explained by snappi) or when they get disproven they just deny it
s1mple fans are like mj fans and zywoo fans are like lebron fans except are worse
I respect Thorin for putting Cold in that convo!
Niko tried awping and wasn't successful.
He was still a competent awper, it was just not as impactful as his rifling
He was still a competent awper, it was just not as impactful as his rifling
@@hiimroo3120 Which is why when you compare niko with other goat contenders, you should not give him a bonus saying that he was 'only rifling'. He was not able to bring the next level impact even when awping. Simple, device and zywoo were able to bring that next level of impact with the better weapon while niko was unable to.
@@raviteja3025😂😂
Yes, he absolutely deserves to be in the GOAT conversation.
But I only disagree with the argument that he can be considered a better "player" than his competition which are using awp just because he is doing it with a lesser gun.
The awp is the most powerful gun in the game and niko cannot be one of the best main awper in the world, that is a fact and we saw it in G2 when he tried.
We cannot just factor out the awp when considering the best players, if you are the best, use everything and prove it.
If u can't deliver the best results(stats or impact wise), i don't care how good you are with lesser gun. The thing is he just isnt one of the best with awp, and that should remain as a bad point.
Also, him not using the krieg when it was better than the ak is one of the bad points about niko because he willingly CHOSE to be at a disadvantage for his TEAM.
Imagine being the best rifler in the world and chosing not to use the krieg when it was the best weapon in the game, he could've improved his teams chances of winning by so much if he did it.
Csgo maybe but not cs2
thorin specifically says csgo in the first minute of the video. also, literally nobody cares who the "goat" of cs2 is considering the game has been out for a few months. obviously.
Deserves to be in GOAT conversation? Yes
Is he the GOAT? No, clearly not
Come on man, when you talked about winning major in your own langauge, you "accidentally" forgot about Zywoo. He won his in international team, when like 2 years he didn't even know any english
He couldnt win with frenchies
He had a goat coach + magisk and dupreeh, all well established and experienced players
plus APEX@@doni6972
Zywoo won the dreamhack open major 2023
Banana majors don't count
When even westerners know Ukrainians speak Russian because Ukrainian as a language is so unorganized and unteachable (there's no consensus on an official textbook definition of the language and never will be) is hilarious to me as someone who speaks Russian and understands Ukrainian. There will never be a Ukrainian speaking team, trust me, it will be impossible to get it to work.
No he doesn't, you can't be in the GOAT conversation if you've continuously choked in big matches.
Cologne 2023 is the only meaningful time he stepped up when it counted, every other meaningful trophy he won was because jks, rain, hunter, guardian or someone else carried him while he played very average.
thats why he has 8 mvps because he get carried, and in katowice until final he was always 1.20+ rating alongside jks and hnt so pls just stfu
No he doesn't. End of the video.
Def deserves title of GOAT rifler
best rifler is a cope, zywoo and simple are better riflers than niko, but since they're better players they get to play with the best weapon in the game, that is the awp.
So judging from what you’ve just said, that makes someone like, Cadian a better player than Niko because he gets to play with the AWP ?
that's not what I said, I said that simple and zywoo don't get the title of best riflers because they are also excellent awpers so that talent should be used for awping because it's a vital weapon in counter strike@@pezza2100
ahhahahahahah, just delete this shit