‘Very few societies have produced someone as sick as Norman Finkelstein’: Douglas Murray
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- Author Douglas Murray has expressed his distaste for American political scientist and activist Norman Finkelstein, saying very few societies have “produced someone as sick.”
“Shame on him for this, what we’ve just heard was holocaust denial in real time,” the renowned journalist told Sky News Australia host Piers Morgan.
“He pretends we don’t know what happened on the 7th of October, we do know."
Mr Finkelstein called the October 7 attacks by Hamas “heroic” in a social media post hours after they first took place.
“If he doesn’t believe the reports he reads, and if he doesn’t believe all of the international media, he should have come with me this morning to the pathology department here in Tel Aviv, where they are still trying to work out who the bodies are that are arriving.”
“It is disgusting that Norman Finkelstein uses his late parents to defame Israel, to pretend that Israel are the Nazis in this situation, all societies produce sick individuals, but very few people have been produced one who are quite as sick as Norman Finkelstein.”
He won't debate with Norman because he's a coward lol.
Why don’t you debate Norman? Prove how sick he is?
Discussing Normal Finkelstein results in death by coma...
Piers a few minutes before this ended his interview of Finkelstein on a rather good note, in which he thought it was a good conversation and was looking forward to having Finkelstein back on the show in the near future. This means that Piers saw Finkelstein as a psychologically normal person who could hold a good conversation with him. Then he had Douglas Murray on the show who then had nothing else to say apart from calling Finkelstein a "sociopath", a "psychopath", and a "Holocaust denier". No comment from Piers Morgan, nothing.
Yeah a little bit of pushback would've made Piers look a bit more credible.
Have you not watched Piers before??? haha
Murray just secured his legacy in one interview. The Zionist movement is in damage control after Finkelstein's revival.
His mother was a pacifist that some called insane . Not to be disrespectful , but to be that passionate about a cause is something. However, to be so passionate, and devoted, leaves a lot in it's wake. The man said he admired Hezbollah, thought them intelligent and organized. Actually hung out with the boys. He doesn't say that he has been banned from Israel for ten years. He just got his right to visit back, although I am not clear on that and I don't blame them if they never let him visit, so how would he know Israel at all. He keeps company with terrorists, he calls them friends, he is an embarrassment to all those that died and the handful that survived the Holocaust. He shouldn't be given a voice at all. He is butt hurt that he just couldn't make those defamatory statements in Israel and so he carries on, the but hurt little boy, crazed mama who cared about everyone else's feelings. Finkelstein has been kicked off campus' denied tenure, and has made a living defaming anyone that writes a book about the Holocaust, Jews, or Israel. He is a very sick man masquerading as some kind of scholar. He doesn't know Israel, the Jewish people who live there, he chooses killers over kin. Please stop giving him a voice.
Norman Finkelstien is one of the most honorable and dignified men ever. He is very pragmatic and does not say one word that he can not support with proven and documented facts. He is a truth seeker and stands for justice. Anyhow, who tries to discredit him is out of his mind and ridiculous. No, Dr. Norman Finkelstein is not a psychopath. He is one of the top 5 political scientists in the world
Not scared to insult the guy and slander his name but scared to debate him face to face 😂. I wonder what word we could use to describe such a man?
Spot On. Murray has hit a new low here, referring to Norman as a sociopath and psychopath.
It doesn't matter what Murray and his ilk say or even do. They are on the wrong side of history and their time is up.
A very small man
@@SvendBosanvovskiClassic case of projection
@@brucetutton7897 Nanometer level of tininess
Douglas Murray maybe completely correct about the woke ideology; but I’m not going to listen to someone who supported the Iraq war, that killed over a million people, when he calls anyone else a sociopath.
Also worth mentioning that Finkelstein has the same views on the woke ideology as Murray.
Douglas has lost the plot (if he ever had it)
'Scoooot reetar':
And the Israeli public is waking up to this... The israeli public is waking up to this reality that they suck as a nation. And thats the reality of modern day israel. They suck. They arent good people. They dont have a good cause. They're racist as hell. They believe in the supremacy of Jews over EVERYBODY.
Douglas is spot on with some things but on this topic he has taken the side of the propaganda machine. He's smart enough to come around though.
The Fink praised David Irving, the Charlie Hebdo massacre and Hezbollah.
Why would you want to debate such a PSYCHOPATH.
Douglas Murray is what he describes Finkelstein as, listen to him & his use of emotionally charged lamgiage, arguing that 7/10 was an act of genocide, whilst arguing elsewhere that the destruction pf Gaza & killings of 8000+ children, the killing of those in rhe West Bank & comtinued displacement, isn't genocide but is Israel defending itself & its people. Finkelstein would murder him in a debate because his knowledge is likely 1000 times that of Murray, who here is simply sliding 100% with Israel because he hates Muslims more than he hates Jews.
10/7 _was_ a kind of genocide. People were murdered just for being Jewish.
Even if the number of casualties in Gaza is higher, its war returning home like WW2 returned home to Germany in 1945.
I've come to the same conclusion. Douglas' dislike for Arabs is far greater than anything else, even if that means siding with the State of Israel,. Ignoring the fact that it is official government policy to send more Arab refugees to Europe.
"arguing that 7/10 was an act of genocide, whilst arguing elsewhere that the destruction pf Gaza & killings of 8000+ children, the killing of those in rhe West Bank & comtinued displacement, isn't genocide but is Israel defending itself & its people"
Cause that's the truth. Why do you bring up 8000+? Numbers don't qualify genocide, intent does. Hamas is very clear about their intent.
And IDF wasn't inside Gaza before Oct 7th. So it's clearly a reaction.
@@MustardSkaven
Straight on - aside from that the numbers are most probably made up by Hamas. According to Hamas, there are no fighter casualties whatsoever, only civilian ones. Most probably all lies.
Norman is a great man! He is a legend, we all love you❤❤❤❤❤
There's a name for such a jew - capo
There's a name for such "jew"- psychopath self hate auto antisemitic 2nd gen to traumatized Holocaust survivors parents syndrome . Poor normy.
How you can this man is beyond me. He praises the slaughter of children, the burning alive of infants, the beheading of toddlers, the shooting of parents in front of their children. It is absolutely inhuman.
@@aminadavdvirYou nailed it. 👍
Wrong. Norman is not a great man. He just serves your agenda.
Finkelstein is a brilliant scholar. Anyone who has read his work knows that. Murray has nothing to offer but half-truths (i.e. lies) and ad-hominem. Let's hear more from Norm.
No more Abnorm, thanks. I read his stuff and sorry, not brilliant.
@@8_7478reading and understanding is two different activities all together, you might read it but may not understand 😂😂😂
@@mssaadjamilWhy did your prophet rape a 9 year old?
He isn't taking seriously by the majority of scholars lmao.
Murry can only dream of having a drop of the honesty and dignity that Norman has.
Murray is on the Jewish side for one reason and one reason alone; I think the majority knows what that reason is. Norman Finkelstein one the other hand lost a lot, including his academic career, because of his views; he lives very modestly, doesn't care about money, and sacrificed his life for truth and fight for freedom and good name of the persecuted. He is a real mensch, and Murray is just a lunatic at this point who appears to have lost his mind. I'm saying this as a granddaughter of a Polish Jew who survived WWII. FREE PALESTINE!
Well it’s hard not to support the Jews on this issue. If you know the history from the time of Mohammad 1,400 yrs ago, 1948 to Oct 7th 2023, then you would too. Arabs are cool just like everybody else but every sane human being should be against Islam. It teaches hate, rape, child marriage, killing of apostates/non Muslims, kill both who make cartoons of Mohammad/mistreat the Quran and the list goes on. Islam is an evils cult with zero tolerance for human rights. YES FREE PALESTINE FROM HAMAS AND ISLAM
@@JF..disgusting lies, islam does not teach any of that.
@@sumatra_7174 Surah 65 vs 4 of the quran - Sex with prepubescent girls. Interpretation/ commentary of the Tafsir of ibn kathir. = “The same for the young who have not reached the years of menstruation their iddah is three months like those in menopause”
Commentary of the Tafsir of both Ibn Abbas and Al-Jalalayn also says the same thing.
Muhammad Hijab admitted at speakers corner that if you go strictly by the Quran, there is no age limit for marriage. She can be five years old. Islam's early scholars agree with the interpretation of Quran 65;4. and many others like Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi and etc..
Mohammad your prophet also married Aisha when she was 6 and consummated her when she was 9 years old.
Allah commands, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth(Islam), from among the People of the Book(Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Quran 9:29
So in order not to get killed as a non Muslim, you either convert or pay the jizyah, a tribute money paid to muslims in an acknowledgement of your own inferiority. But even so Mohammad still killed the Jews in Medina and took their land which was formally named Yathrib 1,400 years ago.
Another call for the execution of non Muslims 👇👇
It was narrated that Abdullah bin Umar said:
"The Messenger of Allah said: 'I have been commanded to fight the people(non Muslims) until they bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish the Salat and pay Zakat. If they do that, then their blood and wealth are protected from me [except for a right that is due], and their reckoning will be with Allah."
Sahih Muslim 129
So there you have it. The Qur'an clearly states that Muslims are to declare war and fight anyone who does not believe in Islam - not because they have been provoked to fight or in defense of themselves from other people’s groups, but simply to fight and kill anyone who do not believe in Allah. Not only does Allah declare this, but Muhammad also says under no uncertain terms that unless people declare Allah to be God and perform the prayers, they should be killed. Many Muslims find this violence repulsive and so leave religion and flee toward Atheism, but religion is not the problem Islam is. and Atheism is not the solution.
I could go on and on with this but it will be too long for you to read. There are so many disgusting things in the Quran and the Hadith like
1. how Islam encourages the beating of women - Quran 4:34 - translation/commentary - Sahih Intl or Yusuf Ali.
2. Fake useless scientific prophesies and many others. There’s no ending to the dumb, useless, hateful, childish, fantasies, and evil things that Islam teaches.
@@JF.. the only hateful dumb thing are you who understands what suits him. These are interpretations
@@sumatra_7174 You went from calling me a liar to accuse me of reading the Islamic sources to suit my own understanding. Did your Muslim scholars such as ibn kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al-Jalalayn read and translate it to their own understanding too?
Did Mohammed hijab and many others like Shabir Ally, Yasir Qadhi, Zakir Naik and etc read it to their own understanding too? Lol i get it you are ashamed of your religion because it has failed to educate you instead it teaches you to hate and inspired you to commit atrocities against humanity/non Muslims Jews & Christians.
You clearly have zero knowledge about your religion you just follow like a sheep. Your imams, Mohammad and other Muslim leaders you look up to all lied to you. And my advice to you is do your own research and stay away from Islam
Not the first time he is attacked, he is well aware the impact his support for Palestine will have for his career and still did it. He has received immense backlash and pressure all his life. I have seen Norman give factual rebuttals to every statement Douglas Murray has said. I would be interested to see Douglas Murray actually debate Finkelstein.
I am sure hamas, or its master Iran will give him a job. Hang on, could he be on their payroll already?
which are ?...factual rebuttals?...right...name them then..be very interested
@@junelew3744Douglas Murray's master Israel already have him a job. Look, he's in the middle of a war zone😂
I have seen Finkelstein in like 10 different interviews this past two weeks. I have noticed his manipulating tactics,. everytime he talks to a black person he pulls out the black riot/uprising, with a Canadian he referred native amricans, which is a hot-guilt topic there, he charmed Pierce with the Susan Boyle story etc... My grandpa was in concentration camp, when he left he did not rape or kill babies. My granny was a surviovor of Bandera genocide on Poles in Ukraine in WW2, she did not kill ukrainian babies or any other ukrainian person. His praise for the "poor young brave boys that went to Israel knowing they may not come back" on Mikhaila Peterson pod was disgusting. And hey if hamas would use the money and materials given to them over the years to actualy buid waterways in Gaza, then Palestine would not be reliant on Israel for water, and if they would not destroy the farms and glashoses left by Jews, they could make an income. There are two sides in this conflict, two sides made different bad choices, but murdering babies and women is not a sign of rebbel and just fight for freedom. It is bestiality.
@@aleksandracomolaola " everytime he talks to a black person he pulls out the black riot/uprising"
He brought it up when speaking to Piers Morgan, and he also brought it up when speaking to Eli Lake. Since you've seen so many of his interviews in the past 2 weeks, I'm guessing you've seen those two. It needn't be said but I'll say it anyway: There's not a single black person in either of those interviews.
He also posted about the slave rebellion on his website, which doesn't only reach Black audience.
So if you're asserting that he only brings it up Nat Turner to black people for some manipulative reasons, then there's enough evidence here to indicate that what you're saying is simply factually incorrect.
He declined to debate the guy because he knows he can't win it.
Most scholars don't want anything to do with a Holocaust denier. It's like debating David Duke, you will achieve nothing by talking to a psychopath.
No because he’s utterly repulsive anc despicable. Like debating Hamas
He won't give him a platform spreading lies. Common sense.
@@gobinajager7832 he's just scared the world will realise the truth.
@@shahrumsayuthi5801 he is not scared, but tactical. And the truth is Hamas started a war. Hamas leaders got rich at the cost of the people they say/lie they care for. Action gives reaction, especially in a war.
Douglas just attacks character because his brain is to small to analyze
Haha 21 people agree with this? When he just comes out with fact after fact and yet you Muslims still have no empathy it's unreal. Probably one of the reasons I left Islam 🇮🇱
@@ayaanbretmitchell9830 correction: lies after lies*
@@haziqmatsaleh9430 poor comeback. No facts no nothing. Typical fake Muslim.
@@ps5801you got him on the Grammer. Nice one dude! 😂
@@ps5801 getting personal means u lost
He cant debate him 😂😂😂😂😂
Debate him on what exactly?
@@JF.. Doesn't matter. Murray already lost with his ad hominem brain farts hahaha....
@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721 Lost how? Please explain. Or have you been brainwashed too?
@@JF..do you know what logical fallacies are?
@@cloudfloat4179 i do, why?
Maybe Douglas should live in Gaza for couple of years and see it with his own eyes
Thank you. I have been through the Erez Crossing. I'd love to see Murray reincarnated as a day laborer who has to go through it every day. Then let's hear his opinion.
He has been there almost every day since it started. Have you? Have anyone on the marches? Do you or they know where Gaza is on a map and precisely how it is situated in connection with Egypt and other nations?
@@soleknight3212he’s been in Israel for a few days- occupied Palestine.
He has not been to Gaza. Inside all the fences & barbed wire.
@@Dan-s5pmaybe Israel- US shouldn’t hve created Hamas as a foil for PLO in 1987.
Every time need to stop funding “moderate rebel”
groups.
@@soleknight3212he has been to Israel not Gaza, he has never spoken to a Palestinian person. He was on the border of Gaza never actually inside.
Very few societies have produced such a reactionary toady as Douglas Murray.
He is obviously on the Israeli payroll like Eylon levy …
Reactionary is putting it lightly.
It's horrible for Douglas to call Finkelstein a Holocaust denier. In multiple videos, Finkelstein discusses how his parents were in concentration camps and also (if im remembering correctly) how his extended family was murdered during the Holocaust.
He didn't call him Holocaust denier , he called his equivalence of it with Gaza as perverse . While Douglas calls denying the atrocities on 7th October as Holocaust
Do you have auditory processing issues ??
But now that you mention it finklestien is a holocaust denier .... since he didnt believe Oct 7 even happened ..
At 20 seconds he says his parents were in the holocaust and that he uses it as leverage. How fucking brain dead are you?..
Someone needs to stand up for the children killed in Gaza they were innocent
hey user Yeshaus. do you think palestine should surrender completely to save the lives of gazan children? or is that not a reasonable action to you?
And what should happen to the Hamas leaders that have made BILLIONS from this and are living in castles with every luxury mankind has ever known? What should happen to them and that money?
Do you think they should keep it for themselves and let the Gazans continue living in squalor whilst they live the high life????
Why didn’t Piers have them on at the same time ??
Because Murray refused. That's the only explanation for this strange setup.
I wish Douglas and Murray were on at the same time. Murray is stupid, but not stupid enough to debate Norman.
Because Douglas is a coward.
because Douglas Murray doesn't have a conscience and nobody normal wants to talk to him
hello johnson. 1) do you know anything about finkelstein? he is anti zionist. you don't think it is a good idea for jews to have a homeland when arabs ethnically cleanse them from their countries? 2) are you pro palestinian homeland? why? there are already many arab countries in the arab league of nations.
I wish there were less personal attacks in these types of interviews… I feel like im wasting my time when they cant stick to good arguments, regardless of their views.
You do realize that finkelfuck attacks people as well 😂
Just watched the Lex Friedman debate. Wow, Finkelstein stooped so low. Constant ad hominem, yelling and the only arguments he put forward came down to simply quoting what someone else said, instead of giving his own reasoning and logic.
@@MustardSkaven EXACTLY
Giora Eiland is a retired Major General of the Israel Defense Forces and a former head of the Israeli National Security Council...referred to Gaza as:
"a huge concentration camp"
Gaza is now like the Warsaw ghetto. The Nazis are liquidating the ghetto.
Norman tells the truth, and Douglas cannot stand it..
Nah, you're just a 'useful idiot' for Islamofascism.
Norman does not tell the truth. Can't believe so many are fooled by that guy.
Norman's nazi and thats why you like him
@@spacecan1he reminds me of Graham Hancock. Just blows hot air out of his ass in a smart sounding voice and all the dumbies looking for “their guy” to hate Israel lap it up
yeah some concerntration camp where people can leave and immigrate to Europe and then come back once in awhile for vactions
Idiots follow the masses
Immigrate to Europe and come back? I know its hard to see the facts through your racism but this is all confirmed by independent human rights organisations.
Israel controls the borders, who enters, who exits, how much food they can have, the air space, water space, electricity, water supply and communications.
2.3 million people (half are children) are kept hostage and can do nothing but pace the perimeter of the small patch of land - with no future or hope. They are routinely carpet bombed every 4 years. 90% of the water is not fit for human consumption.
People can't leave lmao. There's a very few exceptions to that, but generally speaking people can't leave Gaza. It was and still is being literally beseige from all sides
Hes not even remotely deny the holocaust, this guy is absolutely cooked
Sorry ne....... He is Jewish ND a professor too ND is an expert in this issue.... He understands narcissistic Israel ND how they operate and all their Blatant lies ND manipulation...... Smell the coffee
'Scoooot reetar':
And the Israeli public is waking up to this... The israeli public is waking up to this reality that they suck as a nation. And thats the reality of modern day israel. They suck. They arent good people. They dont have a good cause. They're racist as hell. They believe in the supremacy of Jews over EVERYBODY.
The Fink praised David Irving, the Charlie Hebdo massacre and Hezbollah.
Why would you want to debate such a PSYCHOPATH.
Why don’t you inform yourself as to why he’s seen as a holocaust denier, instead of posting ignorant opinions and name-calling well-respected academics?
@@leticiap.2881 don't fool yrself... Smell the Starbucks coffee. There is still Gideon Levi, Miko Peled, Illan Pappe and soooooo many more......
TH-cam should publish a declaimer that Sky new is a foreign new service of the state of Israel
I say to Murray: You are projecting my boy.
Fewer societies produced as sick as Douglas Murray
So true. But remember Murray will always have air time on the Murdoch media for his bile.
Being a sick psychopath guarantees you a place on Sky News
Murray is a great man.
Norman Finkelstein also defended Hamas and said that Hamas tried to have peace and it was Israel who wouldn't agree to a two-state solution....That's the sociopathy that Douglas is referring to. Norman Finkelstein is disgusting.
Norman Finkelstein knows more than you.
I agree. He has so much hate inside of him, it even shines from his eyes 😢
the sea ,the air ,the walls . all closed, Murray is right they it is not a concentration camp coz they don't wear striped pajamas yet 🤔
Finkelstein is wrong ,there is no proof of striped pajamas, no one reported it ,his allegations of concentration camps are delusional .
It isn't a concentration camp, it's a military camp. Everything in Gaza was turned to an arsenal, a launch pad or a command center.
Douglas Murray is a clown
Murray sounds like a child. He's just throwing words around and hoping they'll land.
They land quite nicely
That’s what Norm has been doing, excellent fucking projection.
Just keep putting your head in the sand, pretending that nothing is wrong. Norm is clearly a sick and lost man; it’s a shame, but he chose that path.
Debate him, Douglas! Sure you don’t have the balls 😂
Norman is an evil monster.
Thank you, Douglas, for your reporting.
100% facts. Finkelstein is a fire breathing balrog that spawned from the hatred of man
Douglas is who we fought in 1942.....
All he needs is a lil moustache and to spit a little more as he speaks.
Norman is the man you should thank . Not Douglas that thing is evil...
@@Elenaabeli you, missed the irony. I feel sad.
I don't thank terror lovers. Telling me what I 'should' do! what arrogance! NB Negative utopia is called 'dystopia' - I can see why you are there, and that you deserve it.@@Elenaabeli
wow he is scared to debate with Mr. Norman😂
You don’t know anything about this guy lol. Murray built his career on debate stages with some of the best out there. Watch any of his debates with Mehdi Hasan who in my opinion is a pretty fantastic debater. I doubt t Murray is afraid of anyone, he just seems to genuinely dislike Finklestein.
@@MelGibsonFanBS
dislking someone doesnt make it ok to use adhominems and refuse a debate@@MelGibsonFan
@@MelGibsonFan No, he knows that Finkelstein will debunk every one of his lies. Douglas Murray has debated over political ideas. He won't debate anybody when he is spreading lies.
He doesn't want to debate him cos it will get very heated and obviousky murray doesnt want to waste his time on such a man. Murray would tear him to shreds
Lol. Douglas just ranted for four minutes talking shit. Finklestein would tear him apart since he studied the conflict whilst Dougie boy was in his diapers.
@@rehanpatel9797 age means nothing lol. Finklewanker hates his race. Murray would bombard his lazy fool with facts. Stop being butt hurt
That's funny.
@@darrenwithers3628 shhhh Darren. Go back to your dolls .
Sky news is worse than the US fox news. Ow, same owner 😂😂😂😂
Why don't Douglas Murray debate Finkelstein directly - why he hiding behind Pierce 🙂
Because you can’t fix stupid or evil🤡🤬🤡
Murray knows he won't get a chance that's why he's hiding lol
Because he makes money promoting war. He was for the Iraq war.
He answered why in the video, you muppet. If you had any intelligence you would have noticed Douglas is far more knowledgeable in history and much more gifted in debate than Pierce.
Finklestein has never had a worthwhile conversation in his life.
since october 7, murray's credibility has gone from approximately 80% to about 12%...
Douglas Murray is a spineless mouthpiece
Not debating him is an admission of defeat. There are no excuses for refusing to negotiate or debate, there is only fear of losing. If Douglas and I deeply respect him and, refuses, he loses. What Douglas has become since this conflict started has ruined his reputation, even if you agree with everything he says.
Frankenstein has admitted that he is not perfect and that he was wrong, he admitted that he spoke too early without all the information, but he admits that he will not correct that as it is a historical record of his mistakes. That takes balls even if you disagree with everything he says.. Douglas should do the same. Not debating is not moving forward and it is an impediment to peace.
Murray is fine, Finklestein (who in some ways I do actually like) is a pariah. To some extent yes that it unfair, but there are quite a few valid criticisms of him and there’s a reason he’s burned bridges as his book stated.
Murray has scrapped with Mehdi Hassan more than once, I don’t think Murray is afraid of debating anyone to be honest.
😂 Never argue with an old idiot... Murray knows this.
Norman is disgusting, clutching at straws, constantly banging on as if he's the only Jew who's grandparents were killed ... It's disgusting to play on the dead to win an argument like he does. His own family , he clearly has no respect for... Many of his descendants would be looking down in disappointment if there was such a place as heaven. I see nothing but evil and hatred in his eyes and he's boring as ****
Doug isn't perfect but he often speaks truth. Maybe he was young and naive re. Iraq but he's right on this occasion
@emc477 murray is smart enough to know that all of the out-of-context quotes and half-truths he just used to smear finkelstein in this one video alone would be exposed in front of the whole world if he agreed to a public debate. Not a chance he'll let that happen. I still love him but he's gonna carry this L with him to the grave.
@@MelGibsonFanMurray is literally scared enough to not debate Norman
Maybe they should have a debate instead of throwing cheap shots.
Debate on what exactly?
@@JF..What do you think
@@rosshitchen-ij6en Well if the debate is about Hamas vs Israel then no need because it will be an automatic W for Douglas Murray. The facts are all over the place including inside the Quran and Hadiths. Unless the debate is about something else then ok
@@JF.. No i reckon the debate would centre on the 75 year old concentration camp and the thousands of woman and children killed for no apparent reason other than just living in a place with no escape.
That would be a good start then they could move on from there.
Maybe then they could talk about the real reason for the conflict like the Gaza gas field and who is trying to take total control of the trillions of dollars in gas.
They could go back and forth about how Hamas takes advantage of the average Palestinians and then they could get to the root cause of who was the major supporter of Hamas since inception.
I think it would make great listening.
@@rosshitchen-ij6en Do you even know what a concentration camp look like? SMH. The conflict between the Jews and the Muslims started during the time of Mohammad 1,400 yrs ago. And the past 75 years you can blame it on the Arabs Muslims/islam too. Stop embarrassing yourself spreading false information and do some research.
Love how this clip gets 250 supporting comments but Norm's gets 18000 at time of this writing 😂
There are billions of antisemites and racists. What's your point?
And that says it all. Men love the dark ness more than the truth.
1.6 billions Muslims vs 16 million Jews. 🤷
1.6 billions Muslims vs 16 million Jews. 🤷
1.6 billions Muslims vs 16 million Jews. 🤷
And very few societies have produced a sociopath as sick as Douglas Murray 😅😅😅😂😂😂
Really? Grow up!
@@Uratube25 Maybe u should grow up ND smell the coffee..... U can't even read the narrative
@@Uratube25
From the river to the sea.....
From the river to the sea ... they are forced to peregrinate by foot. With the last of their belongings squashed into plastic bags and tellingly, chillingly accompanied by what's left of their families, they soldier on. From one end of this airy prison to the other, and at the drop of a last minute telephone call, or maybe a warning leaflet dropped from the sky like confetti, they are on the move. Some lovingly chide their terrified, confused minors as they hold on to each other. Others push wheelchairs, ride on donkey carts, bicycles but the vast majority just walk, like in biblical times. If biblical tales had taught us lessons to learn from, there are certainly no lessons to be learned from this one. God has been replaced by the 'special people' and they will decide when the killing and maiming will stop. Nobody in the whole wide world can stop them. They will feast till they have had their fill, and they have voracious appetites as they exact a wrongful revenge.
But those at the receiving end of their ire will just not go away. There is an indomitable spirit about them that leaves us in awe of life and purpose.
These war games, played out on our television sets every night, are fast becoming hunger games with a real twist. With our tummies full, mouths stuffed we speculate about the way this theatre will end. We listen to the commentators on the mainstream television, TH-cam activists, bloodthirsty neoconservatives, and of course the pathological liars, aka the Israeli Defence Force feed the narrative that makes it okay to carry out the slaughter. A supposed superpower, who has had much practice unleashing their might and thunder on women and children over the years, as they kill, destroy, raze and methodologically attempt to exterminate and try to erase a people. Have we learned nothing from history? You cannot erase a people by force. All in the name of ' Israel has a right to defend itself'.
Every sovereign nation has a right to defend itself. No doubt. But that is a loaded statement in this case, as millions will never give legitimacy to this 'only democracy in the Arab lands'. No amount of shock, awe, and murder will ever buy the respect from those that vehemently oppose everything that these Zionists stand for. Little that they say can be believed and those that spew their lies on the mainstream media, surely do not see a Palestinian life as having equal value to that of a Ukrainian or Israeli. Palestinian lives are disposable.
Having lived half my life in Apartheid South Africa, I know what it feels to be a second class citizen. But at the worst of times, and with great respect and gratitude to those who died under the Apartheid regime and those who helped secure our freedom, I had never truly felt genuine fear in our country. But I felt it when I was in Palestine. Standing at the border post, being watched by young Israel men and women, rifles pointed, fingers on the trigger, I knew that nobody could help me if that trigger was pulled. They can do as they please. This is apartheid Israel. Accountable to no one.
"Do you condemn Hamas, the events of October 7?" That's how every interview to an Arab or Palestinian guest on the mainstream platforms begin. And every time callous, flagrant disregard for human life by the IDF is highlighted, October 7 is referenced as the reason for self defence, the purge of Hamas by any necessary means, and the unfortunate loss of thousands of women and children.
'Collateral damage of war, Hamas is to blame, Hamas is using them as human shields' is what we hear every night, every hour from the ones holding the blowing torch and deciding where to incinerate and flatten, and those who shield them, embolden them by all means necessary.
The Palestinians are an indefatigable people. They will be underestimated at the peril of their occupiers. They will not be erased. Perhaps they will surrender, but not to missiles and white phosphorus. They will only surrender to their Creator. And as long as that is the case, they will always have hope. Hope cannot be defeated. And therein, lies the most damning, sobering warning to those perpetrating the war crimes. You cannot win. But in this moment they will walk.
From the rivers to the sea, the Palestinians will be free.
Ps this is not antisemitic, anti-Jewish post. It is strongly anti-Zionist and anti-war.
Written after my personal experience ND I am south African too which makes apartheid in Isreal easy to recognize
#noregrets #thecalltocourage
@@Uratube25 You support a neocon war pig called Douglas Murray. Why don't YOU grow up?!
Finkelstein isn't that Jewish
I would say not that human
What's "is that Jewish"? I guess if he supported israhell's breach of international laws , mass m*rder then he would be "that Jewish"
Concentration camp, yet thousands of people would cross the border every day to work in Israel. Yet they managed to build thousands of miles worth of tunnels. And Thousands of weapons. So much for concentration camp.
Norman Finkelstein is amazing.
Douglas Murray is disgusting
Touche Douglas, at least this man speaks the truth! as for this, Nutty Professor Frankenstein , I listen to that interview and it was disgusting what he said! he was just going around circles. and nothing he said, made sense anyway.
"nothing he said made sense"
Tell me which part of what he said that "didn't make sense" exactly
Extreme lier Douglas.
His argument for why Gaza isn’t a concentration camp is that Israel removed settlers (which they had to because settlements are illegal), and Palestinians elected Hamas. Neither statement disproved Gaza isn’t a concentration camp.
After the elections, the US ordered Fateh to start a coup and promised to support it. Hamas fought the coup off. Afterward, Israel imposed a blockade. Thus began the Palestinian’s long stay in a concentration camp. Israel’s justification was that these were actions needed for its security. What’s a concentration camp? Preventive confinement rather than confinement after having been convicted of some crime. Therefore, Norman’s statement is accurate. Hundreds of people have escaped from concentration camps before. That's an easy thing to search for and verify. But what one does after escaping doesn't determine whether it's a concentration camp.
Douglas offered no counterargument and is ignorant or lying about the facts. Saying you don’t believe all of the unverified statements of October 7 isn’t the same as saying Jews weren’t murdered in extermination camps during World War II.
Douglas Murray stood in a morgue where truth was murdered, and his lies cut it down. Every word he speaks has so no facts in it that I can’t extract from it whether the statements come from Israeli propaganda, denial, or plain ignorance.
We know why he refuses to debate Norman Finkelstein. Because Douglas Murray has no confidence in his position. He claims October 7 is the biggest murder of Jews. Yet, the body count is dwarfed by the number of Palestinians Israel killed. Why doesn’t he acknowledge that? Who’s the denier here?
Norman Finklestein said that the Oct 7 attack "warmed every fiber of his soul". I don't know how anyone let alone a "scholar" can defend Hamas attacks on innocent civilians. Furthermore, Gaza is obviously not a concentration camp. Does Israel control the border to Egypt? No. Since when are concentration camps self governed? Have their own standing army? No Nazi guards?
The population of Gaza DOUBLED from 1 million to 2 million since the year 2000. How on earth would that be possible if it was a concentration camp?
But a camp with 2 borders. Everyone seems to ignore this fact. The second border is with Egypt. By saying the guardians are only Israeli, you make Israel solely responsible for the isolation.
@@gobinajager7832 Israel calls Gaza "administrative territory". They prove themselves that it's an occupied entity.
Israel also control checkpoints at the Egyptian border, as well as the Egyptians, so that argument fails.
Murray is a vile Nazi apologists, but it's his contant stream of brazen lies that I can't stomach🤮
Dont like hearing the facts?
"The fire that Hamas lit?" Even Israel admits that the IDF tank and helicopter rounds incinerated Hamas, some IDF, and some civilians all together. Still trying to ID everyone, phosphorus rounds mix the DNA, Jews and Arabs look a lot alike after cremation. Remember man that thou art dust and to dust thou shall return.
Both Jews and Arabs can be Israeli. People need to educate themselves and learn this isn't a race or ethnicity thing.
The person most likely to be a psychopath in this debate is Murray himself. It's not even close.
Piers Morgan you should retire cause you became a joke.
Douglas Murray makes a fool of themself!
The fact Douglas resorts to personal attacks means he has no crediable argument. He is a slimeball
Quite a few gazans look pretty plumpy for concentration camps inmates.
Gaza has one of the highest obesity rates in the world reported by the WHO some few years ago.... Norman Finkelstein is just simply lying...like everyone from that side of the fence does.
Well fed, plenty of hospitals, some first class hotels.
The women must get exhausted from constant reproduction, though.
Are you a pedophile
@@chrisruss9861 Are you joking or are you just an idiot?
Prof. Norman Finkelstein is a gem.
LOL! A Leftist psychopath, which are synonyms.
Douglas Murray is great. Honest with evidence.
He has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to Finkelstein . The HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY WAS NOT ANOIT JEWS MAKING MONEY. It’s about certain entities making money and not allowing the money going to the real victims . Raul Hilberg who is the lead Holocaust scholar ever , approved of the scholarly work of “Holocaust industry “ book . His words Not mine . Murray is a NOBODY next to HILBERG
He will never debate the facts around the subject with Norman
@@1990seanynot true
Very true. Murray is telling lies so he wouldn't want to expose them would he@@NJIT22
@@NJIT22very true. That reporter JUST called Norman a holocaust denier and lumped him in with the group WHILE he is pointing out a holocaust that YOU are doing.
I care not your reasons for your occupation.
Its wrong
Oooh this quote came from the most dispicable person on earth
Finklelstein is a dangerous anti-Semitic liar.
P.S. Who is this guy talking with Douglas Murray?
Piers Morgan.
Zionism is anti-Semitic, It's also racist and supremacist in my opinion..
What did he lie about?
Finkelstein is neither anti-Jew nor anti-Arab, so he’s not antisemitic.
Murray, however? Anti-Arab. Arabs are Semites.
Also, Murray calling Finkelstein a Holocaust denier is hilariously absurd, given Finkelstein’s family history.
I’ve been following Finkelstein closely since maybe Oct.9 but this is the first time I heard he praised the attacks initially that’s crazy.
After he said he didn’t disapprove of the attacks well after the extent and nature of the attacks were known I couldn’t see him the same way, I’ve no doubt his sympathies for the Palestinian people are genuine but he seems to hold strong biases against Israel.
Nope, he's just being factual about the apartheid Zionist regime
Then you weren't understanding what he was saying ....
Do you actually understand what he said? Like, can y'all actually watch his recent interviews and lectures first?
@@kucingcat8687 I already have, it’s entirely logical that you can disapprove of somebody’s actions even though you are sympathetic to them. Refusing to condemn atrocities just because of injustices done to the perpetrators doesn’t make sense. Finkelstein gives a very good background to life in Gaza and what life the Hamas attackers have been left to but you can acknowledge all of this and still disapprove of the actions they took when confronted with the conditions of Gaza, Finkelstein just chooses not to which is telling about his thought process.
@@fc1759 nope, you haven't watch his recent interviews. He literally brought out examples like the Nat Turner's slave rebellion, or John Brown's anti-slavery rebellion, where in both cases, the rebels did commit atrocities. Yet, it seems like no one nowadays actually condemn Nat Turner nor John Brown, and there's also the Haitian slave rebellion, where the Haitians literally killed ALL of the French population on Haiti, yet people also are reluctant to condemn the Haitians.
So please, tell me, do you condemn Nat Turner, or John Brown, or even the Haitians, or the Amerindians that took out white "civilians" when they're fighting against their colonizers?
Dr Norman all the way...
Feel free to debate Finkelstein!
The situation is bad enough…. I saw the Finkelstein interview. He didn’t deny that atrocities occurred on October 7.
He said the same thing repeatedly on the Candace Owen Podcast; that there was no proof Hamas did it, or not enough evidence, or the deaths were questionable. Stop lying, it's pathetic.
Ikr. The way Skynews is spreading misinformation & hatred against Finkelstein is not surprising anymore cause spreading hatred against certain communities is what they're good at...
What's your point?
@@musopaul5407Finkelstein is obviously not a Holocaust denier being that both his parents were in Nazi Concentration Camps
He did for 10 days.
Mr.Finkelstein is a great person. I can't believe how people are praising that liar Douglas...
This is completely one sided .
It's by design. These people are disgusting propagandists.
Yes Norman Ficklestein is one sided.
@@titanfon6853 Norm is one sided. He's on the right side. The other side is morally bankrupt, deceptive, and ruthless.
When you excuse and ignore the deaths of unarmed non-combative people and you refuse to condemn the people that carried out that evil you are not on the right side of history, you are a evil deranged lunatic.@@shaunshaikh8617
Douglas just shouting like ben shapiro. What a waste. Wannabe.
Straight and forward as usual! Thank you Douglas Murray. Norman Finkelstain is a pshchopat.
One of the best and most measured rants I have ever seen. Well done.
@@sanataniindian3133now try connect the dots on the muslim side, coward.
@@sanataniindian3133 "they denied" okay, what evidence you have then?
Agreed!
Surely a rant is, by definition, unmeasured?
@@musopaul5407 not in this case.
Calling Norman Finkelstein a holocaust denier, how can anyone take Murray serious?
And a coward too. Just debate Norman if you have valid arguments.
So grateful for Mr Murray's outrage! Mr Finkelstien is worthy of his ire!💙
Finkelstein dares speak the truth. Why the shite like Murray and Morgan object. Typical white supremacist responses!!!
Douglas is just a propagandist puppet reporting what his terrorist State masters ask him to report. Douglas refused to debate Norman cause he knows he’ll be exposed by for his lies & false propaganda reporting.
Murray is a clown
One with Facts....one uneducated fool with propaganda with all opinions with no proof
No beheaded babies....Norm is right...no proof yet
thank you Douglas!!!
😂 u are as disgusting as douglas
With this insane rant Murray went from respected author and commentator to a complete joke. He didn't debunk anytthing Finkelstein has said.
In Australia, the accused has the right to face their accuser.
oh I didn't know Finkelstein was accused of criminal activity.
@@charwest9449 well, I mean, being an accessory to murder is the lesser of 2 evils
Douglas Murray is the world's best reporter. I am grateful for his passion, clarity & downright honesty. Thank you for enlightening the world on what is really happening in Gaza.
You should read his books! He is incredibly insightful.
Lol
Murray another conservative bigot. Certainly no journalist.
@@hanumanguyProve it, Hitler.
@@hanumanguyikr! I can't believe how people are thinking of him as a positive person
It baffles me that anyone can take hamas' side. Every Palestinian is a member of Hamas
That's just like saying every Germans are Nazis, or every white people are racist 😂😂😂
I salute professor Norman.
Imagine a " journalist" publishing an article humanizing the nazis and then proceeding to call Norman whos family survived the holocaust a holocaust denier
You didn't listen to Douglas. If you did and still think that you are diabolical.
@@Kate-Does We did listen to Douglas. He said that Nazis were not as bad as Hamas cause they got drunk after murdering people.
That is a terrible accusation. Murray should agree to debate Norman Finkelstein, to teach him a lesson😂😂
Norman has approx 2 billion supporters.Douglas is very smart but he's not in Normans league.Theres levels to this.
N Finkelstein is what would be considered a Nazi.
He’s Jewish you absolute clown 🤡 😂😂
Shut up with these bogus lies. 😂
There's so little of them you can hardly extract D.N.A? What?
You want it spelling out or what???
Combined with what reduced them to a small amount of dust. PLus the reduction from 1400 to 1200 when the Israelis say they finally identified the badly burnt as Hamas.
Maybe the hell fire missiles from the Israeli Gunships
or the IsraeliTank shellings
The videos of the day see Hams only armed with light weapons and some rPGs.
Neither of which would reduce humans to dust.
So sorry Douglas your emotions overcame your logical brain.
In my experience those on a losing side of a debate are reduce to personal attacks with himilies and abuse.
So one up to Norman who unemotional supplies facts and logic.
I used to admire Douglass intellectual ability in debate
Unfortunately here he looses the plot.
What’s the problem here?
Who is sick, Norman or you?
At some point in the future, maybe decades, the truth always comes out. When it does, Finklestein will except where he's wrong but I'm not convinced AT ALL that Murray is prepared to do the same. Already spectulations grow about some of the claims he's latched onto in this piece but worse he's letting his emotions over run his critical thinking to not ask the deeper questions that should be asked. Of all people, he should know better.
He's just got worse.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I also think Fink is a psychopath as well as a bad liar. His parents would disown him, if they were alive. All that study and he's still ignorant, go figure.
Go figure, you must personally know his parents. Such an ahistorical amount of 💩.
By any chance ,,, could it be that you too have forgotten the definition of "psychopath" ?
Well enlighten me genius, what do you know about it?
If there was any doubt that Norman Finkelstein is the source of truth, the fact that Douglas Murray despises him, proves that Finkelstein is on point!
Wrong
DR. FRANKENSTEIN (sociopath)
The reassuring voice of the Great Douglas Murray! Always right!
Lie of a coward and a jokewho does not dare to debate NF.DM is a pure representative of white supremacy
The term great is losing its value tremendously if it’s being used to describe Douglas Murray
I like free speech but not anyone Like Norman, he is too interlectual for me. Douglas Hypocrite Murray
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He uses Holocaust to his benifit.
10 sec later:
He is a holocaust denier, so I dnt want to debate him
😂😂😂😂
Murray (with his little rat claws clenched) comes across as a petulant schoolboy trying to enter an adult conversation. I would like the schoolboy to debate the political scientist professor Norman Finklestein, who is the son of holocaust survivors and has studied all the official data of the occupation of the Palestinians over the last 40 years but Murray won’t because he knows he would be a taken back to school where he should have paid more attention.
Well yes they have...his name is Douglas Murray, whose every cell in his body is exploding hate. I do reckon poor Douglas has suffered some Childhood Adverse Experiences, he has CPTSD which manifests itself in hate. He is spouting so many lies in his campaign of hate, he has no conscious, it has been wiped away by his ACEs. I think he is beyond help.
I thought men, brave men, either integrity, with honour, sincere and smart were all gone. But we have you Douglas and a very few others like you. Thanks.
Brave men? Far right trash deserve no respect!!! Stop the idiocy.
@sashafierce4201
The idiots abound it seems!!!!
@midnightcoder "I thought men, brave men, either integrity, with honour, sincere and smart were all gone."
Huh. And Douglas Murray is gay. Like Glen Greenwald, Michael Shellenberger, and Dave Rubin. It does seem like there are a lot of gay men these days defining what it means to be a real man.
Your proud of blatant piers liars that’s says a lot about you
he's dangerous, amoral and biased.
Read "I'll Burn That Bridge When I Get To It" and see what Norman Finkelstein actually has to say. If you do, I have faith you'll come out thinking very differently about everything you've ever heard about him. Happy reading! (Not that many people like to read much anymore!) Oh and by the way: how much reading do you think this fellow has done while "following Norman Finkelstein's career?" And what's the quality of the reading material, do you think?
Norman Finkelstein speaks the truth. But many can’t handle the truth !
😅😅😅
And then for winning the debate you need an idiot's opinions
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Actually lies
Self-reflection, perhaps?
If you attack the person and not the argument you have already lost
Not necessarily. It's an additional statement.
Spot the difference...
Jimmy: "2+2=6"
Teacher 1: "No, Jimmy it's 4, but you were close"
Jimmy: "2+2=6"
Teacher 2: " it's not 6 it's 4 you dumb little shit"
Both teachers are FACTUALLY correct just perhaps not morally, depending who you ask
If you don't get this your a dumbass
If you are "teacher 2" ... Don't be a teacher!!!! 😂
Doug is not a teacher
Great respect for Prof Finkelstein
Douglas is disgusting. Just a tirade of ad hominem attacks without substance. I am glad most people highly appreciated Norman. Douglas is just showing his true colors. This is not journalism. This is not a debate.
This pseudo intellectual , Douglas, cant hold a candle to the érudite finkelstein! He is an insult to intelligence and a feast to bigoted, prejudiced people!
Having a debate with him is giving him respect. I applaud you for never wanting to have a conversation with a beast. Let Candance Owens stoop to such degradation
That’s because he knows he can’t use Holocaust as defence in his debate meaning he has nothing left. He knows full well he would be embarrassed
Anti Semitic ...... Who the f is Douglas morray ? He doesn't even have the bal1$ to debate norman.
Quislings, quislings everywhere
Douglas Murray, the man who uses threats of libel (lawfare) to silence his crictics, yet criticises cancel culture. Douglas Murray understands one thing, which is the language of hypocrisy, he speaks it fluently.