Another thing that's sad is when the employees at a real hardware store don't know anything either. The town I live in, our last real hardware store closed earlier this year. You would go in there know exactly what you need, but the employees would argue with you saying it wouldn't work. All of the experienced guys either retired or passed away and the people that replaced them don't know anything. All I needed was a nut to mount a brake hose and the guy kept arguing with me saying it wouldn't work because it's a special thread. I had to eventually just go and find the drawer myself and prove I knew what I was talking about. And that's just one example. I just stopped going there and started shopping at the big box stores.
West Portal used to be a bustling neighborhood filled with regular people going about their regular daily lives. It consisted of shops catering to the needs of a wide SEC range of locals and their families : a movie theater, a Round Table for pre or post-movie pizza, an authentic cheap diner (original The Manor), dry cleaners, bank, bookstore, kids karate class, beauty salons and barber, this hardware store, and more. Now it has a more desolate, kinda depressing feel, filled with mostly restaurants, including high-priced restaurants and wine bars for high budget folks living in the surrounding $$$$$ houses. Or thrift shops (Goodwill). Unless they inherited the house, not sure how many middle-class families can afford to live there now. Sign of the times.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. However, doubt it would have mattered much in the long run. Big box stores are squeezing out the independents plus the internet too. A local one near me that owned a prime location for nearly 70 years closed earlier this year. And they weren't forced out, but rather the younger relatives didn't want to continue it despite still being profitable at the time. Many prefer the big box experience. More selection, lower prices, and ease of shopping.
Big blue cities mostly. SF has been driving away businesses like it's the voters goal to drive down the tax base and drive up rent. Well if that's the goal they are very successful. SF will have nothing but homeless shelters and people complaining they can't afford rent .. Texas on the other hand is gaining business .
Underrated comment. Some types of stores aren't viable without ease of vehicle access and convenient parking. This closing may be another example of that.
That’s a great comment. People do not shop locally if they can’t park there. SF is a trash public transport system and takes an hour to go 10 miles on the bus. The trams are even slower and only runs certain areas. BART basically connects the airport to the east bay with stops along Market in SF.
I miss west portal. Not the 25 cents for 3 minutes parking meter. Back in Texas and sometimes have nightmares of running back to meter before the time running out😂. Look at those people still masked. Sad.
This is sad news to me. I used to shop for hardware at Papenhausen Hardware when I lived in the Parkside neighborhood. Nowadays, I shop at Lowe's whenever I need to get something in person and not online, simply because I moved to the southeastern part of San Francisco where Lowe's is much closer to where I live. But I still like Papenhausen Hardware better since things are easier to find and the staff are much nicer.
@@chinatownboy7482 not suitable for business especially a small business..but you keep the faith friend. How's you town doing? again I hear Chinatown is doing well
NOTHING like going to a small hardware store or auto parts store where the workers actually KNOW what they are talking about. Go to Lowes or The Home Depot? Good luck finding someone who can help you. It seems like the workers avoid customers because they don't know anything.
Yep, Sam Walton learned that the hard way. Afterwards bought the land for future stores whenever possible. In recent decades, Walmart appears to lease more, but better able to negotiate favorable long-term leases that can stretch upwards of 50-70 years or even more. Also, often landlords need the big box store more to keep a shopping center viable.
@ronbennett7885 owning the building doesn't eliminate cost increases. The rent goes up because taxes go up so either way SF is driving out businesses by tax increases. Same reason everyone else is complaining about paying rent. This building will probably remain vacant like so many others in big deep blue cities that enjoy paying for illegals addicts and homeless. Oh then add in insurance increases and here we are . SF voters are hurting themselves. The question is will they ever understand economics well enough to fix the problems they created ?
It's the people that are changing, newer generations shop on their iPhone, the days of going in person to stores in person is near an end. These young kids with moustaches are not coming into small businesses unless it's a coffee shop with 9.00 lattes.
Last time I went to home Depot i had to do everything myself and there was about 8 employees just standing looking at people like if we were to steal or something
Smaller hardware stores have been rapidly closing as big box home improve stores have expanded. In my local area, The Hardware Center closed early this year after nearly 70 years in business at a prime location in Paoli, PA they owed. So it wasn't an issue with rent or being forced out. No one in the family wanted to continue it. Competing against big box stores is daunting with much downside risk. Easier to close down and liquidate. Sad to see another one go.
@@ronbennett7885 Ron, I owned Hobby world in Cupertino. I can tell you that in 2003 the Internet started cutting into my sales in one year. It took out a third of my business and it kept going downhill year after year.
The NY Times ran an article around 2018 or 2019 that dealt with the issue of vacant retail spaces in SF. Other problems of crime & homelessness too. That was well before things like Westfield SF Centre became as hollow as it now is. Or what has since happened to Union Square. When I read that story I didn't think the future would grow even worse. It has.
More people want more stuff for less money. This underpins corporate consolidation, which drives small competitors out, which has decimated SF’s locally owned businesses. ‘We” are all in on it. Questions?
Unfortunate that all the mom and pop stores are closing down. The customer service hands on shopping is being crushed. Now, you will have at least 15 people out of a job due to the closure. Imagine, 88 years at one location, within the community, forced to close down. Very sad indeed.
California is not a business friendly state. I bought some gloves at Lowes and noticed all the city, county and state taxes on the receipt. San Francisco is even worse when you add in the crime and parking problems. Hopefully with new leadership SF gets better.
@ yeah you’re pretty oblivious to what’s going on in California. Crimes up, businesses shitting down, 68 billion deficit, mass exodus. All the works of democrats
We dinosaurs is slowly dying. Amazon and online shopping has taken over . More reason why not to shop on Amazon . But this won’t happen.. people are so accustomed to it already. Brick and mortar store is living there last decades
Not a shock. San Francisco is in a Democrat induced death spiral. It’s been a long time, but I still can remember a time after WWII when it was a great city.
Yup that was San Francisco at the height of it's popularity. When going downtown Christmas shopping was a treat, and having a sundae or a famous slice of coffee crunch cake at Blum's on Geary street across from Union Square. Or seeing a movie at the grand Fox theatre on Market street, or going out to have fun at Whitney's Playland at the beach. Ahhhh the memories of when San Francisco was truly a grand city!!!!! 👍🌉
Don’t always blame the state of the country or city. Sometimes it’s the owners, and their failure to adapt well or be financially secure. NOT saying that this may be the case here - my point is that sometimes the reasons are not noted in the news. There’s another private store called center hardware supply co. in the dog patch. Been there for decades upon decades and going strong.
You can thank all the Uber wealthy people like Bezos and his company Amazon. Also we’ve handed over the reigns of government to the Uber wealthy as well…..what could possibly go wrong?
And most come from the same distributers and manufacturers. So why pay more. And then have to travel all over town to get what they don't sell. Big box stores, despite some drawbacks, are far superior overall. Fun to remanence about the old days, but many things are much better now. Wouldn't go back to driving to multiple stores, calling all around (and hoping they'd provide an accurate answer), and possibly having to special order items, which could take weeks to arrive. Delivery wasn't fast like now. In short, you're spot on.
Americans are being priced out of their country . Make way for home depot only , where the lumber is trash and the employees don't know anything
I bet Home Depot doesn't even want to operate in San Francisco.
Another thing that's sad is when the employees at a real hardware store don't know anything either. The town I live in, our last real hardware store closed earlier this year. You would go in there know exactly what you need, but the employees would argue with you saying it wouldn't work. All of the experienced guys either retired or passed away and the people that replaced them don't know anything. All I needed was a nut to mount a brake hose and the guy kept arguing with me saying it wouldn't work because it's a special thread. I had to eventually just go and find the drawer myself and prove I knew what I was talking about. And that's just one example. I just stopped going there and started shopping at the big box stores.
Good luck even finding an employee in a Home Depot.
@@JD-cd5sq Which is fine, they are useless anyways.
Not exactly true. Ace Hardware is thriving. New Hardware stores are opening up constantly and current owners are expanding as well with new stores.
This place was my life saver for many urgent projects during the 80s. A loss for everyone.
Yeah I know right?
Back in the 1960's Maury always took great care of your needs and thanked you for your business! Very sorry to see them shut down.
FEWER STORES ... FEWER CHOICES ... LESS COMPETITION ... HIGHER PRICES 🤔
and imbecile government officials that you vote for.
West Portal used to be a bustling neighborhood filled with regular people going about their regular daily lives. It consisted of shops catering to the needs of a wide SEC range of locals and their families : a movie theater, a Round Table for pre or post-movie pizza, an authentic cheap diner (original The Manor), dry cleaners, bank, bookstore, kids karate class, beauty salons and barber, this hardware store, and more.
Now it has a more desolate, kinda depressing feel, filled with mostly restaurants, including high-priced restaurants and wine bars for high budget folks living in the surrounding $$$$$ houses. Or thrift shops (Goodwill). Unless they inherited the house, not sure how many middle-class families can afford to live there now. Sign of the times.
Not sure why but everyone keeps endorsing these people in charge.
You can thank all the conservative owned media networks. They're doing a fine job with mass population brainwashing.
90 years in business and still paying rent?
Do you own your home and business?
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. However, doubt it would have mattered much in the long run. Big box stores are squeezing out the independents plus the internet too. A local one near me that owned a prime location for nearly 70 years closed earlier this year. And they weren't forced out, but rather the younger relatives didn't want to continue it despite still being profitable at the time. Many prefer the big box experience. More selection, lower prices, and ease of shopping.
Why not? Are businesses supposed to own their own buildings?
@@hkraytaidepends on location
62 to 65% of homes are rentals in San Francisco.
Aloha. This is happening all over the country. It’s sad.
Big blue cities mostly. SF has been driving away businesses like it's the voters goal to drive down the tax base and drive up rent. Well if that's the goal they are very successful. SF will have nothing but homeless shelters and people complaining they can't afford rent .. Texas on the other hand is gaining business .
Small hardware store are the best. They help you more then those jerks at the Home Depot.
SF city council sure is doing a great job...😂
People just don't know how to fix things themselves anymore and pay contractors who don't get their materials from a community hardware store.
Keep on taking away parking spaces San Francisco!
@@pipehitter114 and also closing streets and highways!
Underrated comment. Some types of stores aren't viable without ease of vehicle access and convenient parking. This closing may be another example of that.
That’s a great comment. People do not shop locally if they can’t park there. SF is a trash public transport system and takes an hour to go 10 miles on the bus. The trams are even slower and only runs certain areas. BART basically connects the airport to the east bay with stops along Market in SF.
Gotta have those virtue signaling bike lanes
I miss west portal. Not the 25 cents for 3 minutes parking meter. Back in Texas and sometimes have nightmares of running back to meter before the time running out😂. Look at those people still masked. Sad.
Oh course they are masked !
Part of their religion , The church of the Virtue Signaling .
Oh and don't forget the " up to 900 dollars" that they can steal and you can do nothing about it.
*_There used to be a friendly family hardware store back in my hometown... till they stole it_*
This is sad news to me. I used to shop for hardware at Papenhausen Hardware when I lived in the Parkside neighborhood. Nowadays, I shop at Lowe's whenever I need to get something in person and not online, simply because I moved to the southeastern part of San Francisco where Lowe's is much closer to where I live. But I still like Papenhausen Hardware better since things are easier to find and the staff are much nicer.
Everyone is shopping at Home Depot and Lowe's.
It's unsafe to shop there in a lawless wasteland😂😂😂
@@captng Daly City is a lawless wasteland?🤣
@@chinatownboy7482 not suitable for business especially a small business..but you keep the faith friend. How's you town doing? again I hear Chinatown is doing well
@@captng Many factors to businesses being profitable. Labor rates. Real estate. Competition. Wholesale inflation. Sales volume. Many factors.
@@chinatownboy7482 we agree the cost of doing business and location are factors that will be consideed as the owner pulls the plug or not
NOTHING like going to a small hardware store or auto parts store where the workers actually KNOW what they are talking about. Go to Lowes or The Home Depot? Good luck finding someone who can help you. It seems like the workers avoid customers because they don't know anything.
If you own a small business, and you do not own the building, you’re going to go out of business
In blue cities.
Yep, Sam Walton learned that the hard way. Afterwards bought the land for future stores whenever possible. In recent decades, Walmart appears to lease more, but better able to negotiate favorable long-term leases that can stretch upwards of 50-70 years or even more. Also, often landlords need the big box store more to keep a shopping center viable.
@ronbennett7885 owning the building doesn't eliminate cost increases. The rent goes up because taxes go up so either way SF is driving out businesses by tax increases. Same reason everyone else is complaining about paying rent. This building will probably remain vacant like so many others in big deep blue cities that enjoy paying for illegals addicts and homeless. Oh then add in insurance increases and here we are . SF voters are hurting themselves. The question is will they ever understand economics well enough to fix the problems they created ?
@ I live in Gilroy now, and I know that the Walmart here got the land almost for nothing and they also didn’t have to pay sales tax for five years
@guybassett12 I think you mean property tax , not sales tax.
It's the people that are changing, newer generations shop on their iPhone, the days of going in person to stores in person is near an end. These young kids with moustaches are not coming into small businesses unless it's a coffee shop with 9.00 lattes.
All those restaurant parklets next to that place take up parking spots
What 😲??? Another longtime business closing?? Shocked face😂😂😂. San Francisco is way passed being logical for prosperity
The real problem is Amazon not the pandemic.
The problem is the government.
Joyce Zanze - I miss their Zanze cheesecake show! So nostalgic. Sorry to see a small business neighborhood store close down.
Sam Zanze sold his recipe to Little Original Joe's on 393 W Portal Ave. They are selling Zanze's cheesecake in the frozen section.
This is so sad. I shipped there for years when I worked in the City.
Last time I went to home Depot i had to do everything myself and there was about 8 employees just standing looking at people like if we were to steal or something
Smaller hardware stores have been rapidly closing as big box home improve stores have expanded. In my local area, The Hardware Center closed early this year after nearly 70 years in business at a prime location in Paoli, PA they owed. So it wasn't an issue with rent or being forced out. No one in the family wanted to continue it. Competing against big box stores is daunting with much downside risk. Easier to close down and liquidate. Sad to see another one go.
@@ronbennett7885 Ron, I owned Hobby world in Cupertino. I can tell you that in 2003 the Internet started cutting into my sales in one year. It took out a third of my business and it kept going downhill year after year.
I'm sorry to see thhis close. I'm in West Portal faily often and have shopped there many times.
The NY Times ran an article around 2018 or 2019 that dealt with the issue of vacant retail spaces in SF. Other problems of crime & homelessness too. That was well before things like Westfield SF Centre became as hollow as it now is. Or what has since happened to Union Square. When I read that story I didn't think the future would grow even worse. It has.
More people want more stuff for less money. This underpins corporate consolidation, which drives small competitors out, which has decimated SF’s locally owned businesses. ‘We” are all in on it. Questions?
Crime plays a bigger role than people wanting cheap stuff. I for one stopped shopping in San Francisco entirely. Not worth the risk anymore.
Unfortunate that all the mom and pop stores are closing down. The customer service hands on shopping is being crushed. Now, you will have at least 15 people out of a job due to the closure. Imagine, 88 years at one location, within the community, forced to close down. Very sad indeed.
There's still Duke's on Noriega and 32nd Avenue.
For now.
This is sad. Very sad.
California is not a business friendly state. I bought some gloves at Lowes and noticed all the city, county and state taxes on the receipt. San Francisco is even worse when you add in the crime and parking problems. Hopefully with new leadership SF gets better.
City, county and state taxes on receipt?
Anybody that ever purchased something in San Francisco knows you are full of💩.
“deep discounts” a bit of an understatement
Online shopping really killed small businesses!!! So sad ! I really that place!
THIS IS NOT OKAY!
The younger generation can't fix anything
People can go online and do their own homework and research instead of relying on these in-store experts?
No comment about theft or crime in the city?
When will they close?
Dec. 31.
pay full price to help it stay open.
Why is this even in my feed.....
This story is an accurate picture of America.
Mosrly just the blue parts .
How sad.
This is also because people don’t build or fix things anymore. We live in a throwaway society. Sigh.
fewer and fewer places to steal from
Sad deal😢
thank a democrap
republicans are no better. you can't remove your lips from billionaire's behinds. they don't need any more help they already own everything.
I see "hardware store" yet in the window they're showing off... woven handbags? And one long aisle of spatulas and other assorted kitchen gadgets?
Pretty normal for a neighborhood shop
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Thanks democrats!!!!
Haters gonna hate 😂
@ yeah you’re pretty oblivious to what’s going on in California. Crimes up, businesses shitting down, 68 billion deficit, mass exodus. All the works of democrats
Frisco....the dying city.😂
Like you’re face 😂
@@Mossbeehave you're late already.
We dinosaurs is slowly dying. Amazon and online shopping has taken over . More reason why not to shop on Amazon . But this won’t happen.. people are so accustomed to it already. Brick and mortar store is living there last decades
They created their own demise…Pandemic was over 3 years ago but he’s still buying into this DemocRATic nonsense and still masking.
Not a shock. San Francisco is in a Democrat induced death spiral. It’s been a long time, but I still can remember a time after WWII when it was a great city.
Yup that was San Francisco at the height of it's popularity. When going downtown Christmas shopping was a treat, and having a sundae or a famous slice of coffee crunch cake at Blum's on Geary street across from Union Square. Or seeing a movie at the grand Fox theatre on Market street, or going out to have fun at Whitney's Playland at the beach. Ahhhh the memories of when San Francisco was truly a grand city!!!!! 👍🌉
Haters gonna hate … bots 🤖
@@Mossbeehave Not hating on San Francisco, but just remembering when San Francisco was in a different time and generation!!!!!!
@@Mossbeehave
Not hating just facts 😂
Mask cult
Bidenomic at work.
Nope.
@@Freedom_and_Democracy
Yup!!😂
Don’t always blame the state of the country or city. Sometimes it’s the owners, and their failure to adapt well or be financially secure. NOT saying that this may be the case here - my point is that sometimes the reasons are not noted in the news. There’s another private store called center hardware supply co. in the dog patch. Been there for decades upon decades and going strong.
Couldn’t survive Bidenomics
Like you’re face 😂
@ Lol , triggered much 🤣🤣🤣
😆 vote blue and lose yo stores and businesses
The owner wearing mask and him owning the business for a few years says it all. San Francisco’s finest
The government won't stop until all small business are closed & the self sufficient become reliant. This is the goal.
You can thank all the Uber wealthy people like Bezos and his company Amazon. Also we’ve handed over the reigns of government to the Uber wealthy as well…..what could possibly go wrong?
I’m sure u people can get the bicyclist to start shopping.😂😂😂
Garbage city because the last mayor 😂
Ah, no one needs to buy hardware for their cardboard box. How sad!!
the same stuff is 50% cheaper on amazon and big box stores
And most come from the same distributers and manufacturers. So why pay more. And then have to travel all over town to get what they don't sell. Big box stores, despite some drawbacks, are far superior overall. Fun to remanence about the old days, but many things are much better now. Wouldn't go back to driving to multiple stores, calling all around (and hoping they'd provide an accurate answer), and possibly having to special order items, which could take weeks to arrive. Delivery wasn't fast like now. In short, you're spot on.
Isn't it fantastic how Liberal policies have that 'special affect' on communities and people? (eye roll)
Democrat Utopia
red states are even worse. have you been to mississippi? both parties are garbage. republicans only care about the top 1%, forget everybody else.
Due to Democratic liberal policies!
Miss West Portal Joe's too. Now you have to go down to San Jose Joe's to get anything close to WP Joe's or the old Joe's of Westlake!!!! 👍🌉
There's Little Original Joe's on West Portal. And they sell Zanze's cheesecake.