The Doors - The Soft Parade was a change with the addition of the horn section. Thanks Pete and Martin for sharing all your musical knowledge with us. You have both entertained me in these trying times. For that, I am grateful.
I'm late to the party here, but when I think of this topic, the death/doom bands of the early 90s come to mind. Paradise Lost, Anathema, The Gathering, Katatonia, etc. The great thing is most of them changed for the better.
Yep! Had the chance to work with Anathema during their last Brazilian gigs; and wow... it's amazing to hear step by step, how they've changed directions and now, they are trying to find a way to make another Crestfallen and another sleepless but having the mindset of 2020s
@@paulocraiceAnathema are incredible. The first album I listened to from them was Judgement (still my favorite album from them). Needless to say I was pretty floored when the first time I listened to Serenades.
@ it’s a fabulous band. Amazing catalog, but if I have to pick up just one album… A Fine Day To Exit. And Make It Right is one of the most beautiful songs ever made; live it’s spectacular!
One King Crimson album with Adrian Belew is all anyone needs. Discipline was a bold diversion but the following albums seemed to follow the same formula with nothing new to offer.
Excellent episode - well done guys! Can't resist having a listen to the Modern Medicine album (once anyway). And the bit about EP's, my ribs are hurting.
Another great episode featuring Pete and Martin, these two guys go so well together. I thought of Queen and Hot Space as being a good choice for this and there's also The Doobies when they replaced Tom Johnston with Michael Mcdonald for Takin' It To The Streets and for the next 3 albums.
Doobies is a great example. Transitioned from guitar rock biker sound to keyboard driven soul sound. I preferred the guitar/Tom Johnston sound but the Michael McDonald version did some enjoyable music too.
It's a shame that Tom had to leave the Doobies due to health reasons back in the 70s. I think there was room for both Tom and Michael in the band. I'm a huge Skunk Baxter fan so my favorite period of the Doobies was when he was in the band, which overlaps both eras.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Danzig 1 (1988) through 4 (1994). The song "Let It Be Captured" on Danzig 4p is stunningly gorgeous, as was Sistinas on Danzig III: How The Gods Kill, as was Blood and Tears on Danzig II: Lucifuge. He's such a criminally underrated artist. Up until 1996/1997 he had an incredible crooning voice that was also angelic at times. By 1998 he had blown out his voice and it never recovered, but he still made excellent albums all the way up until 2010.
Winger - pull to winger - IV. As a massive winger fan, I believe winger is very underrated in terms of musicianship and overall talent. Loved this episode pete and Martin. Very interesting.
I was expecting you guys to talk about Def Leppard's 'Hysteria,' Metallica's 'Load,' Queen's 'Hot Space,' and the more obvious choices, but I liked that these picks were unexpected for me. Also, since you guys ranted about covers albums, maybe you should do a show about best/worst covers albums by bands you love (or something like that).
Honestly, if you really listen to the Black Album carefully you'll notice that Load was not as huge of a leap as it seems. Of course, it goes full on into the southern rock and country vibe, but there was quite a lot of mid tempo rock on TBA already. The God That Failed is one example
SWEET changed their sound dramatically with the LEVEL HEADED album in 1978,after four glam/hard rock albums,plus a LIVE-album ( SWEET Fanny Adams-1974/// Desolation Boulevard-1974/// Strung Up-1975/// Give Us A Wink!-1976/// Off The Record-1977 ). One of the most significant changes about the `new` SWEET sound was that Brian Connolly was no longer selected automatically as lead singer for every track. Steve Priest said: ` I`ve sung a couple of tracks lead on earlier albums,notably `No You Don`t` and `Restless` from SWEET Fanny Adams, plus the The Who cover `My Generation` on Desolation Boulevard ( UK-RCA-version/1974),but with this LEVEL HEADED album i just fancied singing `California Nights`,so i went for it and sang lead vocal. Guitarist Andy Scott confirmed: `Both Steve and myself had ideas about some singing we`d like to do on the record,but the others wanted to keep it closer to basic rock. LEVEL HEADED was almost an individual album because we`re all going in different directions. I wanted to be an adventurer,to bring in new musicians,to bring in new sounds. One of those new musicians was classically trained arranger and keyboard player Geoff Westly. The classical/medieval sound on LEVEL HEADED was a lot of Geoff`s influence. The classically influenced `Fountain`,featured Andy Scott on lead vocals,despite the group composition credit. Steve Priest recalls: `That is another Andy-one. Andy had the basic idea and decided to throw it open to the troops and see if we could do any better with it. The harpsichord in the track is all mine..... ` The piano and string-augmented ballad `Dream On` is classified by Steve Priest as `a total Andy-song`. Andy picked up a girlfriend...he wrote that song about her when he woke up one morning and she was still asleep. Geoff Westley played piano on the track. Geoff also undertook all the orchestral arrangements on the LEVEL HEADED album. A 60-piece orchestra with a rythm section down one end,strings the other.` Steve Priest: `The sessions at Chateau d`Herouville, France, eventually bogged down. We`ve written a lot of songs there,with the notable exception of `Love Is Like Oxygen`,when we were joined by sound engineer Trevor Griffin,who had also played a piano solo on the Give Us A Wink!-track `4th of July`..... Trevor came out and we were running short of ideas,he came and sat down at the piano and said he had a great idea for a film score. He started playing and it was a bit ballroom-ish....` Andy Scott added: `While we were recording for a while at the French chateau,our sound engineer Trevor was fiddling around with this little symphonic piece he was playing on the piano. We asked him if SWEET could use it,and he said, `Ỳes,because he didn`t know if he could take it any further.` Andy Scott elaborated: `LEVEL HEADED didn`t have any real hit record on it,so i got him to record this one afternoon and i took it away.....` Meanwhile,recording continued back at Kingsway Recorders-London. Andy Scott recalled: `We came back to Kingsway to tart up and finish off. And thàt`s when `Love Is Like Oxygen` was recorded,it was done in one long session.` Trevor Griffin confirmed: `We went back to London and recorded it. It was the last track recorded on the LEVEL HEADED album.` Andy Scott: `When we returned to London,we went into the studio with classical arranger pianist Geoff Westley,and we knocked this backing track into shape without the top line. I went away that weekend,looked through my lyric book and found something,and all of a sudden they started to make sense with this piece of music!` The album concluded with the lenghty six minute plus track `Air on `A` Tape Loop` for which Steve Priest claimem credit. Steve said: `I wanted to do an instrumental...it was done by me and drummer Mick Tucker sitting in the studio and we did 20 seconds of bass and drums and that was it,and we put that on a loop. Sound-engineer Louie Austin was very good at this,he would measure the tape we`d recorded on and spliced it together so you can play it over and over and over again. Louie recorded it onto another machine,then mixed down to just bass and drums on two tracks and put it on a loop and recorded it again. The song was influenced by Pink Floyd`s `Meddle` and `Peer Gynt Suite` by Solveg as a basis for the melody.` Sound-engineer Louie himself said the tape loop idea was `a knick of 10CC`s `I`m Not In Love`. The SWEET guys were always asking me `How did `I`m Not In Love` work?`... Well,it was all loops. Later Andy recorded guitars & keyboards over the basic loop-track,Mick added more drums,some vocals a là `Alpha Beta Gamma Delta` and a brilliant ending to LEVEL HEADED was born!` The finished product was a huge musical jump from SWEET`s previous body of work. Andy Scott said: `LEVEL HEADED was a musical adventure,it wasn`t an album. There were/are sò many different things on that. There were/are bloody full orchestras,the bloody business! Every day was a new experience. The best album i think SWEET did from a creative piont.` (Hats off to Mike Duthie)
This concept also works for almost every '80s glam metal band, once they attempted to release a new album in the grunge era. Some of them embraced it (see: Warrant's "Ultraphobic" or KISS' "Carnival Of Souls" or Winger's "Pull"). Some changed their sound, with inspiration from swapping members (see: Poison's "Native Tongue"; Motley's 1994 S/T album). And other bands tried the grunge thing, to lukewarm reception (see: Dokken's "Dysfunctional")
Cheers Martin and Pete. Welcome back Pete! 1) The Who- Face Dances. Really different than Who Are You and without Moonie. You could argue Who By Numbers as well. 2) Led Zeppelin- In Through The Out Door. 3) Return To Forever- Musicmagic. So inferior to the genius of Romantic Warrior. Gotta say most songs Gayle Moran sings on I skip. 4) Jethro Tull- Under Wraps. Both this one and Ian’s solo album Walk Into Light are just crap and so different than anything else. P. S. - Agree about covers albums, although I quite liked Rush’s version of Summertime Blues. Also Deep Purple Hush is great. Much better than the original. Steve Morse released two solo albums called Major Impacts which I enjoyed that took his influences and composed original songs.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with some great choices for this interesting topic. The first few that came to mind for me - some quite obvious are: Fleetwood Mac by Fleetwood Mac (the beginning of the "Buckingham Nicks" era that completely changed the sound of the band. Infinity by Journey (the first album with Steve Perry and this change in vocals definitely led to a change in the music as compared to the previous albums) Eliminator by ZZ Top Damnation by Opeth (Martin mentioned this) There's A Riot Goin' On by Sly & The Family Stone (the band leaves its traditional psychedelic optimism for this darker and funkier album) Deface The Music by Utopia and finally, Led Zeppelin III. In hindsight, this may not seem like an obvious choice but for those of us buying the Zeppelin albums as they were originally released, III was viewed as a "what is happening" album with its more acoustic approach to Zeppelin. With the issue of ZOSO (or whatever you want to call Led Zeppelin IV), the band regained its heavy status though III likely led to a success for Stairway to Heaven as the song and single it became. Looking back from 50 years later, this may be more appropriately viewed as an expansion of the Led Zeppelin sound rather than a change. But at the time it was issued, this album was a top example of this category. Thanks, Martin and Pete, for the usual great time in the Fun House. There ya go!
Hey Pete, Awesome channel! Been a follower for a couple of years. Really enjoy Martin Popoff episodes and The Monsters Den. How about a series on CD era albums that were just to long. Songs you would leave out to make the album better. Kind of playing record producer. Stay safe 🤘
Great topic and selections! My choice would be the Meat Puppets who changed their style from their self titled hardcore debut from 1981 through 1991's Forbidden Places. After this, their albums were musically a mix of everything they did before and usually very good.
Thinking about Prog Metal after the Mastedon section...how about doing Sea of Tranquiliy reviews of the Oranssi Pazuzu Albums? Would definitely look forward to that.
I just love it when people mention Watchtower. I recently read an interview with Fripp where he said something to the effect of that if he were a young person today, he would be in a technical death metal band.
Talk Talk It's My Life where they didn't repeat their previous first album of sounding like a early 80s synth type band and instead moved into their own sound of being lyrical deeper and more musically complex
Great choice by Martin on Danzig 4P. It’s one of those albums that experiments “just enough”. Plenty to enjoy for hardcore fans but enough of a twist to keep you interested and perhaps bringing in some new fans. Sadly they went over the edge with later albums. What a band on the first 4 Danzig albums though.
Really cool episode and topic. Loved the picks overall especially pete's were spot on with crimson glory and Mastodon. I think there are many good examples for this. Here are some of mine Leprous-the congregation Joe satriani-engines of creation Carcass-swansong Coroner-grin Celtic frost-cold lake
On Martin's punk/post-punk theme, another band to completely change their sound after the debut was Anti-Nowhere League on The Perfect Crime, with "mixed" results.
@@ellamcclanahan9811 I don't listen to Turbo ever. It has a few good songs, but it was too glam metal for my taste. I could never stand, and still can't stand glam metal.
1. Def Leppard ‘Slang’ and ‘X’ 2. Asia John Payne era 3. Fleetwood Mac early blues era to Welch years and the classic line up with Buckingham and Nicks 4. Genesis Wind and Wuthering to ...And Then There Were Three.. and Calling All Stations sounded like a grunge adult contemporary. 5. Rush 6. Bee Gees
The Cure. The first album is very Post-Punkish, and then they went into their classic sound for 3 albums, only to turn poppy for 3 records and then return to their known sound with disentegration. In the 90s (including Bloodflowers from early 2000) they changed again into something different.
Always love you gents chatting away on such concepts! Awesome vid! Some discoveries woow😮👍 My choice would be Yes. Coming from Tormato album to Drama and 90125 album is quite remarkably different for most. Also Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music after Rock'n Roll Animal was pretty shocking change.
Martin & Pete, great show guys! Any chance of doing a show on great albums that you can never quite master? Like Martin mentioned in the show. I'm sure that would be great viewing! 👍
I can tell you Ben Weinman from Dillinger Escape Plan directly told me he had been a HUGE fan of Fripp's catalog all the way back in 2002. Definitely had a huge influence.
Totally agree that Discipline is virtually an early math rock record. That record and heavy fusion records like the first two Mahavishnu Orchestra albums definitely have a strong math rock vibe.
The DLR era VH to the Van Hagar era. I personally prefer DLR era, but man, that 5150 album had a great sound with kick ass tunes! I almost think the Van Halen bros may have done this to preserve the classic VH era. After all, that band was known for changing the game in rock n roll with a sound nobody had(nor ever did). Clean, crisp & loud with a sound all their own. Again, they reinvent their sound on Sammy’s first. Hard to think that a band that was on top of the world in one year, to turn around and get another singer, change their sound to a more polished, radio friendly version and remain on the top of the world is mind boggling. I can only remember AC/DC doing it big like that, but those guys didn’t change their sound that much with both era’s. Btw; I actually think Budgie’s Power Supply is their best! I love what they did with Bourge, but fuck-that Power Supply album was tight, loud & Big John’s guitar playing was what was hot at the time. He and Randy Rhoades hung out the entire Blizzard tour going over guitar. I think his playing & especially his leads were very tasteful. Apart from Schenker, Rhoades, EVH, Lynch(that was still underground @the time), who else was playing guitar like that, with that sound & tone in ‘80?
My first ever gig was Budgie - power supply tour, was only 9 at the time, got to meet the band afterwards and got sticks and autographs etc, blew my mind, was already a Budgie fan thanks to my dad, as for 5150 alot of that album I've recently found out was down to the dude out of Foreigner, co engineering/producing a bunch of songs on it.
KISS - Unmasked (1980) One of the most controversial albums in their entire catalog, but still one of my favorite of theirs. Much more creative, playful and unique than often assumed. For me, KISS often had some really strong moments when they deviated from their classic formulas.
@@HuddshouseofRockNMetal That's right, but I think that with "Unmasked" a completely unique album really emerged with this significant style and sound. No other album in their catalog sounds anywhere near that. That was my point, but of course ... KISS have always been a quite variable band in general.
It's in my top 3 all time Kiss albums. So many catchy tunes with great hooks.Still signature Kiss but a twist of pop .Its all about the production.. and Anton Fig was super on the album
I remember seeing Budgie around the time of Power Supply ( I think they were opening for UFO or maybe Gillan). They were great. I still play the album today.
Rand Kelly OK. So, you publicly admit that you are a fan of 1960s psychedelica music. What's next, you're going to admit that you were a fan of Strawberry Alarm Clock as well? 🙄🙄🙄🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Have you ever done a "Best covers album" show. Groups and artists like Styx, Queensryche, Joe Lynn Turner, Rush, Tesla, Bachman & Cummings - lots to choose from.
I was fully expecting Pete to bring it up. There was a transition period after PG left, then Steve leaving to go solo, but "...and then there were three" happened. A harbinger of things to come. And they kinda held up the move to poppy tunes with the Duke suite but Abacab was the death knell for the prog five man era style.
Velvet Underground - Self-titled (69) - complete departure from the noise (Whie Light...) and avant-gard (VU & Nico) music on the first 2 LPs. Kraftwerk - Autobahn (74) - groundbreaking album that changed their musical style completely from their first 3 albums. Smashing Pumpkins - Adore (98) - completely different from their first 3 albums - stripped down, laid back and non-guitar orienteded. Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy - hey, what to say about this one? Chris Cornell - Scream - see GNR coment above
Agree on all your choices, especially your first three. Great to see mentions for them, by the way. Have not heard the GnR (but I don't listen to them all that much these days), and only a couple songs from the Chris Cornell.
good point,I bought as an import in 1987,Loved the cover ,put it on ,like What in the Hell? ,but i still kind of like it ,i like Devirells voice, way different from Wildcat
Its funny, I play the 1970s Chicago albums a lot and my son who is 11 was in the car and we were listening to the 80s on 8 Satellite Channel and "Hard Habit to Break" came on. He immediately made a face and said "Dad, that can't be Chicago. What happened?" I didn't get into the whole Terry Kath thing and Peter "Super Pop Vocalist" Cetera + David Foster. But that would have been a good one to mention.
Opeth, and for the better IMO. I never cared for death metal so when Opeth went to a more prog metal sound it was more up my alley. Their last 4 albums, starting with "Heritage", are terrific.
Its odd, as I'm an old prog head and love the stuff that came after Heritage. Yet my favourite Opeth album (by a long way) is Blackwater Park. Go figure.
REM's Monster, Ministry's Filth Pig, Radiohead´s Kid A, Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith and Devotion, Suicidal Tendencies Art of Rebellion, Red Hot Chili Peppers One hot minute, Sonic Youth's Dirty, Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique, Sepultura's Roots, U2's Zooroupa, Smashing Pumpkins Adore, Blur self titled, Stone Roses Second Coming, Primal Scream Give out but don't give up; Horrors Primary Colors.
Van Halen’s “5150” should be on this list. Hagar’s songwriting was so completely different, and Eddie fully embraced the synth in his music. Alex changed to an electronic kit. This album was the start of Van Halen becoming more of a pop band than a hard rock band.
Not really SoT material, but the prime example of this for me would be "Into The Unknown" by Bad Religion. I once read something like "play this to anybody and do a little audio quiz as to who this might be: You'll get a million different answers, none of them will be Bad Religion". And that's spot on. The album has also never been released on CD and never been reissued (except as part of a vinyl boxset).
38 Special Rock n Roll Strategy When Second Chance came out I had no idea it was 38 Special. I Didn't recognize them at all. And they were my first big rock concert on Tour de Force.
Let's not forget the Rolling Stones who put out the psychedelic Their Satanic Majesties Request before returning to their blues rock sound. Even before that, they had the poppy Between The Buttons.
50:35 Rush did a fine job with Feedback. I love their version of Summertime Blues. The only reason I might not listen to it often is because I'd RATHER hear their originals. It's as simple as that.
I thought for sure that Deep Purple would make Pete's list. Stormbringer, and even more Come Taste the Band, were radical departures from the Mk 2 sound. I'm really looking forward to the Deep Purple covers album. I am only familiar with a couple of the songs they're covering, so as far as I'm concerned it might as well be an album of originals with 2 covers. I enjoyed their pre-release video for "7 and 7 is?"
I really like Scarabus with CAT being a close second. The general feel of the IGB was fairly consistent. It was the Gillan band that was the massive direction change. Thankfully we have both to look back on. I think of CAT as being their Caravanserai, which of course was influenced by Weather Report and now we are on to a band where every album was different to the last. Mysterious traveller being a favourite.
You’re talking about Mastadon right now and I’m trying to figure out how much you needed to check out that Melvins stuff you heard of a long time ago; because Pete. Everything you’ve describing as I’m listening to you two; has been the band’s sound for the past few decades or so! Yes 👍 ya gotta go back and give the guys another chance and I think you’ll find they’re totally different. Kinda like Pink Floyd and Sabbath meets Progressive sound scapes etc. A Senile Animal and Nude With Boots had been released almost 20+ years ago so after nearly 40 years or more? See what I mean. Thanks 🙏🏻 again Pete! Sincerely yours, DJP Boston Massachusetts USA 🇨🇳🏳️
About the question what post punk, post rock and post metal is. You nailed it in your own description of the latter two. But post punk I feel is an umbrella term. Under are all these subgenres that sprung out of the first punk wave such as cold wave, dark wave, goth, death-rock... that sort of things. The subgenre names however wasn´t coined until recent years, when needed it though, for reference. Some people may think it´s s stupid and/or unnecessary with new terms but it´s exactly as with metal, there is a difference between thrash metal, death metal and black metal and so on.
Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music was a complete departure from anything he released before or after. The Rolling Stones went psychedelic after The Beatles released Sgt. Pepper in 1967 with Their Satanic Majesties Request. The Moody Blues had a complete makeover from an R&B/covers band after Justin Hayward & John Lodge joined in 1967 and they recorded Days Of Future Passed. Captain Beefheart went from an R&B/blues based singer to the outer limits of recorded sound with Trout Mask Replica-a completely free form album unlike anything else. Then later he attempted to go mainstream with the albums Unconditionally Guaranteed and Bluejeans & Moonbeams. Joni Mitchell shocked her fans when she transitioned from her folk roots into the more jazz oriented sounds of The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Mingus.
I love Shakin N Stirred! Used to listen to it all the time in the summer of 85. I saw him at the CNE that summer too. I still love the melodies and I love Robbie Blunts playing. Little By Little and Sixies and Sevens are incredible song.✌️❤️🇨🇦
@@MsKalachakra some people classify that stuff as heavy metal, but in the 80s they cudnt get into the kerrang rock chart thst featured solo members of genesis, including phil collins, i certainly wosnt fooled by other peoples opinion
I know punk isn't really Pete's thing, but Bad Religion's aptly titled 1983 album "Into the Unknown" comes to mind, which was a synth-heavy, borderline prog rock album. In 1985 they released their EP "Back to the Known", which was a return to their punk sound.
Steve Hackett doing a blues album is as big a swerve as I can imagine. I held off buying it for years and finally did. What a surprise....it's really good.
Here's a few right off of my head. *1)* Exile - Had a rock hit *Kiss You All Over* in 1978. Following that hit off of their Mixed Emotions. Couple of albums later. The group went country. *2)* Boston - When *Third Stage* was released. Boston's tone sounded much different from their debut & Don't Look Back albums. *3)* Gary Moore - after several albums. Gary decides to change his style from rock to metal to blues. *4)* David Bowie - He always reinvented his sound. *5)* BTO (Bachman Turner Overdrive) The single *Looking Out for #1* (jazzy tone) from *Head Home* was completely different than anything we heard from BTO.
Didn't take them long but when The Cult put out Electric....the world breathed a sigh of relief and said Amen. From then on it was kick ass rock just done right.
I know it's not a band that gets mentioned much here, but REM did it 4 albums in a row from 'Green' to 'Out of Time' to 'Automatic For the People' to 'New Adventures in Hifi'
Great White with "Sail Away" in 1994. Loads of acoustic guitars, no ripping guitar solos, more relaxed vocals, and 2 songs with Clarence Clemons guesting on saxophone ("Gone With The Wind" and Living In The USA". Rush: Vapor Trails. Rush of course was known for always tweaking their sound from album to album, but VT truly sounds like nothing else in their catalog.
Rush is a horrible example . Rush gradually changed from one album to the next . Rush never had a sudden drastic new sound . If you jump from 2112 to Signals there is a big difference but all the albums between those 2 are progressing gradually.
@@drstupid4366 No, they did not always gradually change. Check out Hemispheres vs. Permanent Waves. Or even Moving Pictures vs. Signals. The first is a very dramatic change but the second is a good example of change that was not completely gradual. Even from Rush to Fly by Night there were some big changes. But it does not have to be a super big change. Just a real change. A nd I think one can see that in many Rush records.
i would love to see the SOT crew delve into some of these bands. i bet they would like a lot of the 90s post hardcore scene too. bands like into another, quicksand, shudder to think... i wish i could be on hudson valley squares so i could talk about these bands and turn people on to some good tunes they probably never heard
Anathema was the first band I thought of ..... there again I've only seen them live twice (early 90s and then 20 years later) - totally different genres.
The songs on Call of the Mastodon were recorded before (2000-2001) the songs on Remission (2002). Btw, Mastodon's NEW studio album is coming out in a few days.
The Doors - The Soft Parade was a change with the addition of the horn section. Thanks Pete and Martin for sharing all your musical knowledge with us. You have both entertained me in these trying times. For that, I am grateful.
Yes that's a good choice
The Soft Parade was a terrible album.
Suggestion for topic: Bands that survived trends (disco, 80s production) without having to change their style.
I won't mention KISS 😂🤘
Both of you are making a great duo it's a real pleasure watching and llistening. 👍👏
I'm late to the party here, but when I think of this topic, the death/doom bands of the early 90s come to mind. Paradise Lost, Anathema, The Gathering, Katatonia, etc. The great thing is most of them changed for the better.
Yep! Had the chance to work with Anathema during their last Brazilian gigs; and wow... it's amazing to hear step by step, how they've changed directions and now, they are trying to find a way to make another Crestfallen and another sleepless but having the mindset of 2020s
@@paulocraiceAnathema are incredible. The first album I listened to from them was Judgement (still my favorite album from them). Needless to say I was pretty floored when the first time I listened to Serenades.
@ it’s a fabulous band. Amazing catalog, but if I have to pick up just one album… A Fine Day To Exit. And Make It Right is one of the most beautiful songs ever made; live it’s spectacular!
One King Crimson album with Adrian Belew is all anyone needs. Discipline was a bold diversion but the following albums seemed to follow the same formula with nothing new to offer.
A show for music connoisseurs.
Learn something with every show. 💯 thank you
Best part of having to stay home after surgery is finally getting the opportunity to binge-watch Pete and Martin videos.
Well you've turned me onto a lot of classic heavy stuff I'd not know about so I'll subscribe because I want you to keep these videos going
My Friday morning fix.
Such an amazing show covering an array of music.
You guys rule
Excellent episode - well done guys! Can't resist having a listen to the Modern Medicine album (once anyway). And the bit about EP's, my ribs are hurting.
ZZ Top change their sound mostly on Eliminator, but I feel it started on El Loco and continued until Recycler.
I felt like El Loco was completely different than the previous albums Tyler.
Another great episode featuring Pete and Martin, these two guys go so well together. I thought of Queen and Hot Space as being a good choice for this and there's also The Doobies when they replaced Tom Johnston with Michael Mcdonald for Takin' It To The Streets and for the next 3 albums.
Good choices. I think these guys get tired of bringing up "Hot Space" every other episode lol.
Doobies is a great example. Transitioned from guitar rock biker sound to keyboard driven soul sound. I preferred the guitar/Tom Johnston sound but the Michael McDonald version did some enjoyable music too.
@@mikep9377 Completely agree with you Mike.
@@jerryattwooll4864 ditto, though I admit I stopped listening to the DB at Takin It to the Streets.
It's a shame that Tom had to leave the Doobies due to health reasons back in the 70s. I think there was room for both Tom and Michael in the band. I'm a huge Skunk Baxter fan so my favorite period of the Doobies was when he was in the band, which overlaps both eras.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Danzig 1 (1988) through 4 (1994). The song "Let It Be Captured" on Danzig 4p is stunningly gorgeous, as was Sistinas on Danzig III: How The Gods Kill, as was Blood and Tears on Danzig II: Lucifuge. He's such a criminally underrated artist. Up until 1996/1997 he had an incredible crooning voice that was also angelic at times. By 1998 he had blown out his voice and it never recovered, but he still made excellent albums all the way up until 2010.
Winger - pull to winger - IV. As a massive winger fan, I believe winger is very underrated in terms of musicianship and overall talent. Loved this episode pete and Martin. Very interesting.
I was expecting you guys to talk about Def Leppard's 'Hysteria,' Metallica's 'Load,' Queen's 'Hot Space,' and the more obvious choices, but I liked that these picks were unexpected for me. Also, since you guys ranted about covers albums, maybe you should do a show about best/worst covers albums by bands you love (or something like that).
I agree
Honestly, if you really listen to the Black Album carefully you'll notice that Load was not as huge of a leap as it seems. Of course, it goes full on into the southern rock and country vibe, but there was quite a lot of mid tempo rock on TBA already. The God That Failed is one example
@@gergonikk It's interesting you brought up "The God That Failed" because it's my favorite song from the Black album.
SWEET changed their sound dramatically with the LEVEL HEADED album in 1978,after four glam/hard rock albums,plus a LIVE-album ( SWEET Fanny Adams-1974/// Desolation Boulevard-1974/// Strung Up-1975/// Give Us A Wink!-1976/// Off The Record-1977 ). One of the most significant changes about the `new` SWEET sound was that Brian Connolly was no longer selected automatically as lead singer for every track. Steve Priest said: ` I`ve sung a couple of tracks lead on earlier albums,notably `No You Don`t` and `Restless` from SWEET Fanny Adams, plus the The Who cover `My Generation` on Desolation Boulevard ( UK-RCA-version/1974),but with this LEVEL HEADED album i just fancied singing `California Nights`,so i went for it and sang lead vocal. Guitarist Andy Scott confirmed: `Both Steve and myself had ideas about some singing we`d like to do on the record,but the others wanted to keep it closer to basic rock. LEVEL HEADED was almost an individual album because we`re all going in different directions. I wanted to be an adventurer,to bring in new musicians,to bring in new sounds. One of those new musicians was classically trained arranger and keyboard player Geoff Westly. The classical/medieval sound on LEVEL HEADED was a lot of Geoff`s influence. The classically influenced `Fountain`,featured Andy Scott on lead vocals,despite the group composition credit. Steve Priest recalls: `That is another Andy-one. Andy had the basic idea and decided to throw it open to the troops and see if we could do any better with it. The harpsichord in the track is all mine..... `
The piano and string-augmented ballad `Dream On` is classified by Steve Priest as `a total Andy-song`. Andy picked up a girlfriend...he wrote that song about her when he woke up one morning and she was still asleep. Geoff Westley played piano on the track. Geoff also undertook all the orchestral arrangements on the LEVEL HEADED album. A 60-piece orchestra with a rythm section down one end,strings the other.`
Steve Priest: `The sessions at Chateau d`Herouville, France, eventually bogged down. We`ve written a lot of songs there,with the notable exception of `Love Is Like Oxygen`,when we were joined by sound engineer Trevor Griffin,who had also played a piano solo on the Give Us A Wink!-track `4th of July`..... Trevor came out and we were running short of ideas,he came and sat down at the piano and said he had a great idea for a film score. He started playing and it was a bit ballroom-ish....`
Andy Scott added: `While we were recording for a while at the French chateau,our sound engineer Trevor was fiddling around with this little symphonic piece he was playing on the piano. We asked him if SWEET could use it,and he said, `Ỳes,because he didn`t know if he could take it any further.` Andy Scott elaborated: `LEVEL HEADED didn`t have any real hit record on it,so i got him to record this one afternoon and i took it away.....`
Meanwhile,recording continued back at Kingsway Recorders-London. Andy Scott recalled: `We came back to Kingsway to tart up and finish off. And thàt`s when `Love Is Like Oxygen` was recorded,it was done in one long session.`
Trevor Griffin confirmed: `We went back to London and recorded it. It was the last track recorded on the LEVEL HEADED album.` Andy Scott: `When we returned to London,we went into the studio with classical arranger pianist Geoff Westley,and we knocked this backing track into shape without the top line. I went away that weekend,looked through my lyric book and found something,and all of a sudden they started to make sense with this piece of music!`
The album concluded with the lenghty six minute plus track `Air on `A` Tape Loop` for which Steve Priest claimem credit.
Steve said: `I wanted to do an instrumental...it was done by me and drummer Mick Tucker sitting in the studio and we did 20 seconds of bass and drums and that was it,and we put that on a loop. Sound-engineer Louie Austin was very good at this,he would measure the tape we`d recorded on and spliced it together so you can play it over and over and over again. Louie recorded it onto another machine,then mixed down to just bass and drums on two tracks and put it on a loop and recorded it again. The song was influenced by Pink Floyd`s `Meddle` and `Peer Gynt Suite` by Solveg as a basis for the melody.`
Sound-engineer Louie himself said the tape loop idea was `a knick of 10CC`s `I`m Not In Love`. The SWEET guys were always asking me `How did `I`m Not In Love` work?`... Well,it was all loops. Later Andy recorded guitars & keyboards over the basic loop-track,Mick added more drums,some vocals a là `Alpha Beta Gamma Delta` and a brilliant ending to LEVEL HEADED was born!`
The finished product was a huge musical jump from SWEET`s previous body of work. Andy Scott said: `LEVEL HEADED was a musical adventure,it wasn`t an album. There were/are sò many different things on that. There were/are bloody full orchestras,the bloody business! Every day was a new experience. The best album i think SWEET did from a creative piont.`
(Hats off to Mike Duthie)
Big fan of SWEET. Be interesting to read what Martin said about this is his book on the band!
This comment was way too long.
Show idea: 5 cover songs by big bands that didn’t need to be done and 5 cover songs that were better than the originals and were great.
This concept also works for almost every '80s glam metal band, once they attempted to release a new album in the grunge era. Some of them embraced it (see: Warrant's "Ultraphobic" or KISS' "Carnival Of Souls" or Winger's "Pull"). Some changed their sound, with inspiration from swapping members (see: Poison's "Native Tongue"; Motley's 1994 S/T album). And other bands tried the grunge thing, to lukewarm reception (see: Dokken's "Dysfunctional")
Ted nugent 1980s horsecrap😂
@@jessecarlson9529 Yeah, Scream Dream was shit.
Dysfunctional really isn't all that 'grunge'. There's a flirtation with the 90s but, meh. Same with Pull.
Ministry went from electronic pop to industrial and stayed that way.
For better or worse
Cheers Martin and Pete. Welcome back Pete!
1) The Who- Face Dances. Really different than Who Are You and without Moonie. You could argue Who By Numbers as well.
2) Led Zeppelin- In Through The Out Door.
3) Return To Forever- Musicmagic. So inferior to the genius of Romantic Warrior. Gotta say most songs Gayle Moran sings on I skip.
4) Jethro Tull- Under Wraps. Both this one and Ian’s solo album Walk Into Light are just crap and so different than anything else.
P. S. - Agree about covers albums, although I quite liked Rush’s version of Summertime Blues. Also Deep Purple Hush is great. Much better than the original. Steve Morse released two solo albums called Major Impacts which I enjoyed that took his influences and composed original songs.
Face Dances and In Through The Out Door was more of The Who and Zeppelin at their most MELODIC.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with some great choices for this interesting topic. The first few that came to mind for me - some quite obvious are:
Fleetwood Mac by Fleetwood Mac (the beginning of the "Buckingham Nicks" era that completely changed the sound of the band.
Infinity by Journey (the first album with Steve Perry and this change in vocals definitely led to a change in the music as compared to the previous albums)
Eliminator by ZZ Top
Damnation by Opeth (Martin mentioned this)
There's A Riot Goin' On by Sly & The Family Stone (the band leaves its traditional psychedelic optimism for this darker and funkier album)
Deface The Music by Utopia
and finally, Led Zeppelin III. In hindsight, this may not seem like an obvious choice but for those of us buying the Zeppelin albums as they were originally released, III was viewed as a "what is happening" album with its more acoustic approach to Zeppelin. With the issue of ZOSO (or whatever you want to call Led Zeppelin IV), the band regained its heavy status though III likely led to a success for Stairway to Heaven as the song and single it became. Looking back from 50 years later, this may be more appropriately viewed as an expansion of the Led Zeppelin sound rather than a change. But at the time it was issued, this album was a top example of this category.
Thanks, Martin and Pete, for the usual great time in the Fun House. There ya go!
What a fantastic totally honest show.
My Yes coffee book 📖 is on its way thanks Martin
Power Supply is one of my favorite album,still playing it all the time. And that cover is awesome !!
My first ever gig and met them all afterwards, a big deal for a kid of 9 lol
Hey Pete,
Awesome channel! Been a follower for a couple of years. Really enjoy Martin Popoff episodes and The Monsters Den.
How about a series on CD era albums that were just to long. Songs you would leave out to make the album better. Kind of playing record producer.
Stay safe 🤘
Yeah, I started to watch it and had a feeling - King Crimson, they need to be a part of this. And... here we are. Greetings.
Great topic and selections! My choice would be the Meat Puppets who changed their style from their self titled hardcore debut from 1981 through 1991's Forbidden Places. After this, their albums were musically a mix of everything they did before and usually very good.
Thinking about Prog Metal after the Mastedon section...how about doing Sea of Tranquiliy reviews of the Oranssi Pazuzu Albums? Would definitely look forward to that.
I just love it when people mention Watchtower. I recently read an interview with Fripp where he said something to the effect of that if he were a young person today, he would be in a technical death metal band.
Talk Talk It's My Life where they didn't repeat their previous first album of sounding like a early 80s synth type band and instead moved into their own sound of being lyrical deeper and more musically complex
Later they turned much more radical and unaccessible
Great choice by Martin on Danzig 4P. It’s one of those albums that experiments “just enough”. Plenty to enjoy for hardcore fans but enough of a twist to keep you interested and perhaps bringing in some new fans. Sadly they went over the edge with later albums. What a band on the first 4 Danzig albums though.
Danzig isn't worth talking about horible production the guitar sound is so punny and the vocals are garbage
@@ellamcclanahan9811 Opinions vary.
Really cool episode and topic. Loved the picks overall especially pete's were spot on with crimson glory and Mastodon. I think there are many good examples for this. Here are some of mine
Leprous-the congregation
Joe satriani-engines of creation
Carcass-swansong
Coroner-grin
Celtic frost-cold lake
Great comments on Rush thank you.
I would say the difference in sound between Hemispheres and Permanent waves is greater than Moving pictures into Signals
Well, Ulver has to be in this discussion. I can't think of a band that changed their music more drastically than these guys
Yes not a fan off new Ulver
@@andybrett1152 which one?
MOTORPSYCHO are in the same cathegory
@@michaelhudson2912 Well i only prefer their Black metal stuff so theirs a lot
@Jams Staley Not really, you can do a lot with black metal. I like most of their albums though.
Great points on KC's Discipline
Good topic guys 👍🏻🤘🏻
On Martin's punk/post-punk theme, another band to completely change their sound after the debut was Anti-Nowhere League on The Perfect Crime, with "mixed" results.
The Pack is Back- Raven
Hysteria- Def Leppard
Eliminator- ZZ Top
Turbo- Judas Priest
Malice in Wonderland- Nazareth
Those are all great albums
I prefer The Pack is Back over Turbo any day.
@@Gregbaltzer I loved turbo one of the best tours and year in my life good times
@@ellamcclanahan9811 I don't listen to Turbo ever. It has a few good songs, but it was too glam metal for my taste. I could never stand, and still can't stand glam metal.
1. Def Leppard ‘Slang’ and ‘X’
2. Asia John Payne era
3. Fleetwood Mac early blues era to Welch years and the classic line up with Buckingham and Nicks
4. Genesis Wind and Wuthering to ...And Then There Were Three.. and Calling All Stations sounded like a grunge adult contemporary.
5. Rush
6. Bee Gees
Good episode. I listened to that Kim Mitchell EP. Um.....WOW it's good. Just heavy rock and roll with great vocals and choruses. 👍💪
The Cure. The first album is very Post-Punkish, and then they went into their classic sound for 3 albums, only to turn poppy for 3 records and then return to their known sound with disentegration. In the 90s (including Bloodflowers from early 2000) they changed again into something different.
Their classic sound was a whole lot like Joy Division.
Jethro Tull’s “Under Wraps”.
Always love you gents chatting away on such concepts! Awesome vid! Some discoveries woow😮👍
My choice would be Yes. Coming from Tormato album to Drama and 90125 album is quite remarkably different for most.
Also Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music after Rock'n Roll Animal was pretty shocking change.
Martin & Pete, great show guys! Any chance of doing a show on great albums that you can never quite master? Like Martin mentioned in the show. I'm sure that would be great viewing! 👍
The Who - Who’s Next.
Bowie and Lou Reed were constantly changing their sound.
Great show yet again. Pete, I hope you will do an album review of Hushed & Grim by Mastodon next week or so?
Mastadon’s drummer’s favorite drummer? Bill Bruford
I can tell you Ben Weinman from Dillinger Escape Plan directly told me he had been a HUGE fan of Fripp's catalog all the way back in 2002. Definitely had a huge influence.
David Bowie changed genres like hair styles
I remember Rick(y) Nelson writing "Garden Party" about his fan's reaction to his musical turn
Cover albums are a snoozer. Covers are best left for B-sides and those dreaded e.p's. Another fun episode fellas! The 2 of you are a great team
Totally agree that Discipline is virtually an early math rock record. That record and heavy fusion records like the first two Mahavishnu Orchestra albums definitely have a strong math rock vibe.
I love Strange And Beautiful! on it's own its a great listen... I don't mix it with the first two, but I still love all three!
Star Chamber is a great album opener. I enjoyed that record.
The DLR era VH to the Van Hagar era. I personally prefer DLR era, but man, that 5150 album had a great sound with kick ass tunes! I almost think the Van Halen bros may have done this to preserve the classic VH era. After all, that band was known for changing the game in rock n roll with a sound nobody had(nor ever did). Clean, crisp & loud with a sound all their own. Again, they reinvent their sound on Sammy’s first. Hard to think that a band that was on top of the world in one year, to turn around and get another singer, change their sound to a more polished, radio friendly version and remain on the top of the world is mind boggling. I can only remember AC/DC doing it big like that, but those guys didn’t change their sound that much with both era’s.
Btw; I actually think Budgie’s Power Supply is their best! I love what they did with Bourge, but fuck-that Power Supply album was tight, loud & Big John’s guitar playing was what was hot at the time. He and Randy Rhoades hung out the entire Blizzard tour going over guitar. I think his playing & especially his leads were very tasteful. Apart from Schenker, Rhoades, EVH, Lynch(that was still underground @the time), who else was playing guitar like that, with that sound & tone in ‘80?
My first ever gig was Budgie - power supply tour, was only 9 at the time, got to meet the band afterwards and got sticks and autographs etc, blew my mind, was already a Budgie fan thanks to my dad, as for 5150 alot of that album I've recently found out was down to the dude out of Foreigner, co engineering/producing a bunch of songs on it.
KISS - Unmasked (1980)
One of the most controversial albums in their entire catalog, but still one of my favorite of theirs. Much more creative, playful and unique than often assumed. For me, KISS often had some really strong moments when they deviated from their classic formulas.
You could argue KISS changed their sound multiple times to fit into the landscape of hard rock at the time.
@@HuddshouseofRockNMetal That's right, but I think that with "Unmasked" a completely unique album really emerged with this significant style and sound. No other album in their catalog sounds anywhere near that. That was my point, but of course ... KISS have always been a quite variable band in general.
I really enjoy that album. I have an LP of it. My favorite song on it might be Naked City.
It's in my top 3 all time Kiss albums. So many catchy tunes with great hooks.Still signature Kiss but a twist of pop .Its all about the production.. and Anton Fig was super on the album
@@CaretakerWanted In my opinion "Naked City" is easily Gene's greatest song ever.
I remember seeing Budgie around the time of Power Supply ( I think they were opening for UFO or maybe Gillan). They were great. I still play the album today.
Rolling Stones on "Their Satanic Majesty's Request" is a perfect example of this...
It’s the only one I own.
Rand Kelly OK. So, you publicly admit that you are a fan of 1960s psychedelica music. What's next, you're going to admit that you were a fan of Strawberry Alarm Clock as well? 🙄🙄🙄🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@RandyDubin of course I love Incense and Peppermints.
Have you ever done a "Best covers album" show. Groups and artists like Styx, Queensryche, Joe Lynn Turner, Rush, Tesla, Bachman & Cummings - lots to choose from.
Where are Genesis in this list?? Also, talking of post-rock … the last two albums from Talk Talk, utterly groundbreaking
I was fully expecting Pete to bring it up. There was a transition period after PG left, then Steve leaving to go solo, but "...and then there were three" happened. A harbinger of things to come. And they kinda held up the move to poppy tunes with the Duke suite but Abacab was the death knell for the prog five man era style.
Totally agree with you , Pete and Martin on Mastodon.
Velvet Underground - Self-titled (69) - complete departure from the noise (Whie Light...) and avant-gard (VU & Nico) music on the first 2 LPs.
Kraftwerk - Autobahn (74) - groundbreaking album that changed their musical style completely from their first 3 albums.
Smashing Pumpkins - Adore (98) - completely different from their first 3 albums - stripped down, laid back and non-guitar orienteded.
Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy - hey, what to say about this one?
Chris Cornell - Scream - see GNR coment above
Agree on all your choices, especially your first three. Great to see mentions for them, by the way. Have not heard the GnR (but I don't listen to them all that much these days), and only a couple songs from the Chris Cornell.
I love Chinese Democracy
Isn't Axl still working on it.....it came out?
Tygers Of Pan-Tang became an AOR band on Burning In The Shade which is an album I'm embarrassed to admit I kinda like
I'd say the change came on "The Cage" - more pop, radio friendly tunes. But I still like it!
@@garyserdoz6915 it stated with The Cage, but The Wreckage from '85 and Burning In the Shade from 87 took it to a new and unfortunate level.
good point,I bought as an import in 1987,Loved the cover ,put it on ,like What in the Hell? ,but i still kind of like it ,i like Devirells voice, way different from Wildcat
@@garyserdoz6915 82-87
I met Robert Pant once, great guy....so down to earth.
I'm surprised Pete didn't start off which Chicago - a band he loved for a decade but doesn't like at all the direction they went under David Foster
Its funny, I play the 1970s Chicago albums a lot and my son who is 11 was in the car and we were listening to the 80s on 8 Satellite Channel and "Hard Habit to Break" came on. He immediately made a face and said "Dad, that can't be Chicago. What happened?" I didn't get into the whole Terry Kath thing and Peter "Super Pop Vocalist" Cetera + David Foster. But that would have been a good one to mention.
@@mbacko1 Yeah, David Foster ruined Chicago, and Cetera got a swelled head.
Opeth, and for the better IMO. I never cared for death metal so when Opeth went to a more prog metal sound it was more up my alley. Their last 4 albums, starting with "Heritage", are terrific.
@J Flo I said I didn't care for death metal. That's not "talking shit". I'm allowed to have an opinion. Grow up.
Although I love Damnation, all the albums they have done since Heritage seem very lacking to me...
I'm the opposite. I'm the old-school DM Opeth fan that's disgruntled and feeling betrayed, lol.
@@morebeer7673 Early Opeth is way better when i saw them at Bloodstock one year they sounded like Muse lol
Its odd, as I'm an old prog head and love the stuff that came after Heritage. Yet my favourite Opeth album (by a long way) is Blackwater Park. Go figure.
Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers' blues album, Mojo. I really love their take on the blues.
Great album. Awesome guitar work by Mike Campbell.
Yes!! Mike Campbell is the best guitarist in my book and deserves so much more recognition.
REM's Monster, Ministry's Filth Pig, Radiohead´s Kid A, Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith and Devotion, Suicidal Tendencies Art of Rebellion, Red Hot Chili Peppers One hot minute, Sonic Youth's Dirty, Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique, Sepultura's Roots, U2's Zooroupa, Smashing Pumpkins Adore, Blur self titled, Stone Roses Second Coming, Primal Scream Give out but don't give up; Horrors Primary Colors.
Sparks: Introducing Sparks (pop rock) to No. 1 On Heaven (electro pop) just synthesizers and (real) drums.
Van Halen’s “5150” should be on this list. Hagar’s songwriting was so completely different, and Eddie fully embraced the synth in his music. Alex changed to an electronic kit.
This album was the start of Van Halen becoming more of a pop band than a hard rock band.
Not really SoT material, but the prime example of this for me would be "Into The Unknown" by Bad Religion. I once read something like "play this to anybody and do a little audio quiz as to who this might be: You'll get a million different answers, none of them will be Bad Religion". And that's spot on. The album has also never been released on CD and never been reissued (except as part of a vinyl boxset).
38 Special Rock n Roll Strategy
When Second Chance came out I had no idea it was 38 Special. I Didn't recognize them at all.
And they were my first big rock concert on Tour de Force.
Danzig 4. Ive forgotten that album! Because curiously its not on Spotify. What a bomb!!
But the real change came with the next @martinpopoff
Let's not forget the Rolling Stones who put out the psychedelic Their Satanic Majesties Request before returning to their blues rock sound. Even before that, they had the poppy Between The Buttons.
50:35 Rush did a fine job with Feedback. I love their version of Summertime Blues. The only reason I might not listen to it often is because I'd RATHER hear their originals. It's as simple as that.
Rush was shit in the 80s they were great in the early 80s then complete garbage after signals power windows on until presto was garbage
I thought for sure that Deep Purple would make Pete's list. Stormbringer, and even more Come Taste the Band, were radical departures from the Mk 2 sound.
I'm really looking forward to the Deep Purple covers album. I am only familiar with a couple of the songs they're covering, so as far as I'm concerned it might as well be an album of originals with 2 covers. I enjoyed their pre-release video for "7 and 7 is?"
Ian Gillan Band - CLEAR AIR TURBULENCE. The only album of Gillan with experimental fusion music - and one of my favourite albums of all time.
I really like Scarabus with CAT being a close second. The general feel of the IGB was fairly consistent. It was the Gillan band that was the massive direction change. Thankfully we have both to look back on. I think of CAT as being their Caravanserai, which of course was influenced by Weather Report and now we are on to a band where every album was different to the last. Mysterious traveller being a favourite.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Radio Head. From The Bends to Okay Computer to Kid A....Jaw dropping musical shifts from Album to Album.
Totally agree.
You’re talking about Mastadon right now and I’m trying to figure out how much you needed to check out that Melvins stuff you heard of a long time ago; because Pete. Everything you’ve describing as I’m listening to you two; has been the band’s sound for the past few decades or so! Yes 👍 ya gotta go back and give the guys another chance and I think you’ll find they’re totally different. Kinda like Pink Floyd and Sabbath meets Progressive sound scapes etc. A Senile Animal and Nude With Boots had been released almost 20+ years ago so after nearly 40 years or more? See what I mean. Thanks 🙏🏻 again Pete! Sincerely yours, DJP Boston Massachusetts USA 🇨🇳🏳️
About the question what post punk, post rock and post metal is. You nailed it in your own description of the latter two. But post punk I feel is an umbrella term. Under are all these subgenres that sprung out of the first punk wave such as cold wave, dark wave, goth, death-rock... that sort of things. The subgenre names however wasn´t coined until recent years, when needed it though, for reference. Some people may think it´s s stupid and/or unnecessary with new terms but it´s exactly as with metal, there is a difference between thrash metal, death metal and black metal and so on.
Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music was a complete departure from anything he released before or after. The Rolling Stones went psychedelic after The Beatles released Sgt. Pepper in 1967 with Their Satanic Majesties Request. The Moody Blues had a complete makeover from an R&B/covers band after Justin Hayward & John Lodge joined in 1967 and they recorded Days Of Future Passed. Captain Beefheart went from an R&B/blues based singer to the outer limits of recorded sound with Trout Mask Replica-a completely free form album unlike anything else. Then later he attempted to go mainstream with the albums Unconditionally Guaranteed and Bluejeans & Moonbeams. Joni Mitchell shocked her fans when she transitioned from her folk roots into the more jazz oriented sounds of The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Mingus.
whats the Queen album that was shite that was disco?
I love Shakin N Stirred! Used to listen to it all the time in the summer of 85. I saw him at the CNE that summer too. I still love the melodies and I love Robbie Blunts playing. Little By Little and Sixies and Sevens are incredible song.✌️❤️🇨🇦
Killing Joke has a bunch of different sounding albums.
None of them heavy metal
@@aidenswords5809 sure they are. A couple of them.
Industrial metal is a branch of heavy metal.
@@aidenswords5809 so what?
@@MsKalachakra some people classify that stuff as heavy metal, but in the 80s they cudnt get into the kerrang rock chart thst featured solo members of genesis, including phil collins, i certainly wosnt fooled by other peoples opinion
I know punk isn't really Pete's thing, but Bad Religion's aptly titled 1983 album "Into the Unknown" comes to mind, which was a synth-heavy, borderline prog rock album. In 1985 they released their EP "Back to the Known", which was a return to their punk sound.
Great example. Really like Into The Unknown but so different to the debut.
The Osmonds "heavy metal" phase with Phase III and Crazy Horses.
I propose a drinking game for every time Pete says "little bits of..." lol
Steve Hackett doing a blues album is as big a swerve as I can imagine. I held off buying it for years and finally did. What a surprise....it's really good.
He adores Paul Butterfield Blues Band/Mike Bloomfield.
My top 5 picks for this one: Any five selected Beatles albums from 1965 and onward.
One that comes to mind is Their Satanic Majesties Request by The Rolling Stones. Not a bad album though. I really like that album.
Here's a few right off of my head.
*1)* Exile - Had a rock hit *Kiss You All Over* in 1978. Following that hit off of their Mixed Emotions. Couple of albums later. The group went country.
*2)* Boston - When *Third Stage* was released. Boston's tone sounded much different from their debut & Don't Look Back albums.
*3)* Gary Moore - after several albums. Gary decides to change his style from rock to metal to blues.
*4)* David Bowie - He always reinvented his sound.
*5)* BTO (Bachman Turner Overdrive) The single *Looking Out for #1* (jazzy tone) from *Head Home* was completely different than anything we heard from BTO.
TSOL's Revenge. They went from hardcore punk to playing mainstream hard rock. They'd go straight out glam metal on the next album.
I always thought of that album as the 80s Doors
Didn't take them long but when The Cult put out Electric....the world breathed a sigh of relief and said Amen. From then on it was kick ass rock just done right.
Celtic Frost - Cold Lake post Into The Pamdemonium.
I know it's not a band that gets mentioned much here, but REM did it 4 albums in a row from 'Green' to 'Out of Time' to 'Automatic For the People' to 'New Adventures in Hifi'
And don't forget Monster in between Automatic for the People and New Adventures in Hi-Fi. Great choice!
@@JohntheMusicNut I meant to include that and spaced it
Great White with "Sail Away" in 1994. Loads of acoustic guitars, no ripping guitar solos, more relaxed vocals, and 2 songs with Clarence Clemons guesting on saxophone ("Gone With The Wind" and Living In The USA".
Rush: Vapor Trails. Rush of course was known for always tweaking their sound from album to album, but VT truly sounds like nothing else in their catalog.
Obviously Rush would be an example.
Rush made many changes throughout their career. Led Zep days to prog to shorter songs to synth era, etc.
Rush is a horrible example . Rush gradually changed from one album to the next . Rush never had a sudden drastic new sound . If you jump from 2112 to Signals there is a big difference but all the albums between those 2 are progressing gradually.
@@drstupid4366 I think you're looking for the Argument Department? This is the Objective Fact department.
@@drstupid4366 No, they did not always gradually change. Check out Hemispheres vs. Permanent Waves. Or even Moving Pictures vs. Signals. The first is a very dramatic change but the second is a good example of change that was not completely gradual. Even from Rush to Fly by Night there were some big changes. But it does not have to be a super big change. Just a real change. A nd I think one can see that in many Rush records.
@@carlpeterson8182 Rush never changed their sound . Rush didn't make the same record twice .......but they never changed their sound . IMO
Priest changing from Rocka Rolla to Sad Wings.. COMPLETE GAME CHANGER!!
Ulver, Cave In, Katatonia, Woods of Ypres, Converge, some that come to mind.
i would love to see the SOT crew delve into some of these bands.
i bet they would like a lot of the 90s post hardcore scene too. bands like into another, quicksand, shudder to think...
i wish i could be on hudson valley squares so i could talk about these bands and turn people on to some good tunes they probably never heard
Quicksand!! Also stuff like Hum, Jawbox, Far, At the Drive In, etc.
Mastodon Rules !!!
Great music from a group who are Super nice dudes.
They make me proud to be from Atlanta.
Scorpions' "Eye to Eye" comes to mind, sad memories; fortunately they turned back to their classic sound soon enough. 🍺🤘
That was such a terrible album. Glad it was a one-off.
@@gwts1171 indeed
I think the album only had two songs credited to two members of the band which probably explains it not being that good.
Anathema was the first band I thought of ..... there again I've only seen them live twice (early 90s and then 20 years later) - totally different genres.
true
The songs on Call of the Mastodon were recorded before (2000-2001) the songs on Remission (2002). Btw, Mastodon's NEW studio album is coming out in a few days.