@@bodigames They haven't been able to film teen wolf because Myles got covid. It's why we got more cobra kai cause they had already finished filming s4.
why does everyone seem to think they’re ruining miguel’s character. it’s only ruining if they don’t plan to build him back up. i’ll be the first one to complain if all the shit they’ve done to miguel the last 2 seasons doesn’t give us a satisfying come back arc for him but the cobra kai writers haven’t given me a reason to believe they don’t know what they’re doing.
Exactly, it’s like some Cobra Kai fans think just because he’s the “main character”(when really he’s ONE of the main characters of the kids) he’s not allowed long lasting struggles. He would be kinda boring if he was able to body everyone he fights and be super op like he used to be
@@ihateanatomy2169 i agree!!!! i’m very tired of “he doesn’t feel like a main character anymore” argument bc yes he’s taken a back seat this season and in s3 he didn’t fight at all bc he was recovering so maybe ppl are just frustrated he’s not back to fighting but i think where they’re going with him is really good. it’s funny that you mentioned it being boring if he stayed op and was beating ass all the time bc ppl have been calling him boring in s4 when he has the best character arc imo???? realizing you aren’t fighting for yourself and you’re being used for a rivalry older than you are and not knowing who you are or what you want is a great storyline imo. the writers haven’t disappointed me yet and unless they do something like have all of miguel’s pain be for nothing or completely focus away from his character i’ll continue to praise them. the only thing i don’t like is annoying fans that only cares about the fighting talking about him getting nerfed and being boring 24/7 like oh brother sorry he’s going through a lot rn and karate isn’t what’s helping him at the moment. his storyline is more character driven than fighting rn and that’s fine (i do hope he gets to beat someone’s ass in s5 though mainly bc i’m tired of seeing ppl disrespect his name)
@@Barb-x7x Exactly, Miguel is physically at a disadvantage since he just recovered a few months ago (even though he somehow managed to defeat Kyler in the house fight which didn’t make sense at all, all you have to do is look at his face in that fight, he should’ve been knocked out by Kyler, like he was getting repeated punches to the back before he got his inspiration but I’m getting off track) and in this season he’s mentally and emotionally drained. From not being able to go the college he wants because of finances, worried about not being good enough to date Sam because of Daniel, all of the drama that’s happened in past season and his father issues this entire season, he was not gonna perform to the best of his ability fighting wise, which does happen to people doing anything. If you’re heart and mind isn’t in it like it used to be, you’re not gonna be at you’re best. Miguel felt the most human this season, most humans are emotional and complicated, especially when you’re 16-18 when you’re trying to find who you are. I’m 16 and I understand that, I don’t know how others don’t
Fun Fact: Carrie watched Cobra Kai during lockdown and tweeted about how much she loved it and some of the cast and producers replied to her, that’s how they got in contact with her to be on the show ❤️
Seeing y’all argue and out so much passion into this show is super exciting. This whole fanbase roots for Miguel and the whole cast and characters. It’s amazing what we the audience can feel and how tight we got wound up because of emotional investment. This is great storytelling!
This wasn't Miguel's all-valley tournament to win. He already won in s1 and had that arc where he went from being weak and bullied on the streets to kicking ass and becoming a champion. In this season he already is a champion but feels like he needs to prove himself again to Johnny especially after he called him Robby in the last episode. And having that mindset tempted him to push the limits and injure himself again. He can't even fight for himself anymore because everything is surrounded by this karate drama and rivals.
Miguel: take his a*s out?! Hawk is my friend. Also Miguel: *agreed not to hold back and tried to tornado kick the undying s*it out of Hawk so hard that he hurt his back
He wasnt going to hurt hawk badly. Simply a knockout. Johnny asked him to destroy hawk. Thats where he disagreed. Also, he didnt hurt his back bcos of the kick too hard. He was unstable in the head and then his back gave out
@@artprojectsix5280 if that's the case then he should've been complaining about fighting dirty, not about beating Hawk. Anyway, he could still take Hawk's a*s out without fighting dirty, plus Hawk wasn't injured, unlike Robby.
In part, Miguel has been down because of his fall-out with Sam. I know it's not the main reason, but it still hurts a ton. On the bright side, Demetri has stepped his game up. And Hawk finally getting his second chance with Moon… in my opinion, absolute fire!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I dont like to see Miguel down but to be honest, Im glad they didnt make his back injury go away. Because it did seem a little unrealistic that his coma and broken back trauma just miraculously went away cause of Johnny's physical therapy and the only consequences was that Miguel was a little bit out of shape. It seems more right that he is still struggling with his injury and he will hopefully fully recover in season 5 with what ever major fight he gets into ( fingers crossed for a final Miguel vs robby fight🤞🏾)
@@Shaye.J you do realize that you NEVER fully heal from a serious spine injury. Especially his. Know matter how much time has passed his back will NEVER feel the same again nor will he be able to do the same. But hey it's a show and if they want to make it so he can basically be back at 100 I say congrats to them for having big enough balls to so something like that. (In terms of maybe pissing fans off) Long live COBRA KAI
@@Disss135 OBVIOUSLY. My point is that the show made it seem like it is possible an injury like that can be recovered from in that short amount of time to compete in athletic competitions and the way they are writing the plot makes it seem like he was have a type of development that will get him on the path of getting his old fighting spirt back while fighting for himself instead of fighting for other people's causes. U are right about the other points tho
Miguel getting hurt was a way for him to get out of the tournament without losing his title so it’s kind of like leading up to a big match or a big fight you want to keep the main character padded so they didn’t lose he got hurt so he couldn’t fight
@@saileshnaidu8102 not really because Robby started with miyagi do and Robby was against his father meaning he would use anything one to annoy him and two to win
Watch they're saying this show is garbage now but the next video of them reacting to the season finale will be them saying how much they love the show 😂 y'all are one of the best reactors
How are they “done with this show” already? Haha 😂 I mean I know they kind of joked this’ll be the last episode they watch I stead of 10 because they were so angry about what happened to Miguel. But I’m looking forward to their reaction too entirely based off the last episode
I hope so. Because I’m starting to feel like the shows been becoming the Sam and Tory show. And the show started out building up Miguel and Johnny (and some of Robby.)
@@Kayoss13212 Next season is probably gonna be robby, Miguel and johnny in Mexico dealing with their stuff, tory and sam kind of chilling out (hopefully), daniel + chozen stuff, Kenny v anthony stuff. Lots of things. I am hoping they delay some of the storylines for season 6 so they can focus on the characters that were slid aside.
@@karthikg1427 I hope so. Because I just feel like some of the things that they built up for Miguel (learning Karate, his lackluster rivalry with Robby) they’ve kinda tossed aside for Sam and Tory. Anything major, he’s rarely been a part of. Like learning both Karate styles from Johnny and Daniel, leveling up to weapons like Sam and Tory, even the final fights. Even Eli and Demitri had a better rivalry imo.
WOW, the jumping to conclusions went from "0 to 100" real quick. You all missed Miguel and Robby's storyline here. Either way, can't wait for you guys to react to episode 10. Please make it sooner than later.
Miguel remains my favorite character, and it was a struggle watching what this season did to him. But I genuinely think the writers will build him back up and he’ll have a fantastic arc. Robby went harder than he needed to, it’s true, but I really liked his character this season. He goes back and forth a lot, but I feel like it’s still true to his character and shows his internal battle within himself as well. I’m just waiting for Miguel and Robby to be on good terms tbh, I’d love to seem them as a duo.
Especially once Robby finds out Johnny’s dating Carmen. We saw Miguel’s reaction to his mom and sensei. But what’ll be the reaction of Robby with his dad and enemy’s mom? 🤷🏻♀️
I agree with you Miguel is also my favorite character in the show and I think the writers are definitely gonna build up his arc next season and in season 6
A lot of people now seem like they are sad for Miguel that he got into the conflict between Johnny and Daniel. They can understand that he isn´t mentally fit because he isn´t fighting one fight, he fights two. One at the tournament and one in his head. But the fact that Miguel is in this position just in season 4 and people forgett that there is only one other person in this show who is involved into this conflict between Johnny and Daniel is Robby. Things with Daniel went wrong for many times because of the rivalry. (Yes, i know that Robby isn´t innocent). But he is the one that struggles since season 1 with things in his head. The fact that Robby goes back and forth a lot is the perfect example why there isn´t one dojo which is the best. Sometimes people need more MiyagiDo, sometimes more Cobra Kai. Silver/Kreese will never understand this. I bet Daniel too. Robby went way to aggressive into the fight with Kenny. Spoiler: In my opinion this is the first part where he realizes Cobra Kai isn´t the right place and he turn softer, like in the next fight. He never had this aggressive face again.
It was superior, too bad that many people get carried away because it is "bad" and forget what the characters did in previous seasons. They let him pass him off because they are "teenagers" but forget when it comes to Robby.
Robby is easily the best teen character of the series. He didn't just become good this season. He's had actual development since the Pilot and he's written in a good way, not a way to please fans, which is exactly why he's the most well-rounded character.
Nathan always on Robby for actually winning by his way, he sounds like Daniel. Sam said the exact same thing as Robby but Nathan hates Robby wtf. Also in the first tournament Miguel went after Robby's injury but no one talks about that. Miguel isn't the main character and he was hurt not too long ago!
Miguel is the main character between the teenagers, the show started with his and Johnny's story and he has the most focus and screen time between all of them.
@@scarletnach2952 Yeah, I would argue at this point of the show, Robby feels more like the main character among the teens. He's always had an interesting subplot separate from all the group stuff and his development has been the best written. Miguel is the main teen character in name only at this point, imo.
The guy on the left complained way to much😂 just cause he didn’t get what he wanted lol, he’s tryna say Miguel should walk out of his contract lol😂🤣 it just sets up the next story for the next season
I will say the only good thing that comes out of the injury is that Miguel technically didn't lose the title to anyone, so you could argue that Miguel's stock doesn't drop because it's not like Hawk actually beat Miguel.
And I thought that was the biggest BS of this whole thing of all the kid characters Miguel gets all of the plot armor if you wanted to get to what they got to in the final cuz I don't want to mess it up for anybody just let him lose straight up it would have been fine
@@filthy0819 How does Miguel have plot armor??? He nearly broke his damn back and almost died from a coma. Miguel has started doing karate longer than any of the other teens in the show. The whole point of Miguel’s arc in the show was that karate was never his issue, it was dealing with his personal life
Miguel is still a main character he just isn't the only main character of the show, there are other main characters. In television and drama their are different types of main characters. What happened to Miguel this episode made perfect sense he literally just recovered like two months ago what would have been dumb is if he was going all out and not get hurt the slightest considering he just recovered. The only reason miguel is seen as the only main character in the show is because the writers needed a base and they used miguel's character for that but as the story progressed we met other main characters with different backstories and got introduced to different storylines. If you actually analyse the show miguel was the only character that didn't need growth, in most of audience's eyes he was the only protagonist of the show. Everyone else needed growth, so this season focused on the main characters that need that growth while doing that they obviously need a character that will give them growth for the next season so just because miguel didn't win the match doesn't mean they nerfed him and if he did win that match it would have been boring cause if he won the all valley that means he would be a two time champ like we have enough two time champs at that point the writers are just lazy not write a different one
@@gabriellehughes1788 THANK YOU!! People seem to think Miguel is the main character of this show when he’s not, every character is just as important as he is and Miguel can have struggles like other characters. People want him to be like his season 2 self when he was at his prime but him hurting his spine and in being in a coma for 2 weeks and having to compete in the all valley a few months later is not good for him physically(even though he defeated Kyler in the house fight, which COMPLETE BULL and doesn’t make sense at all but that’s besides the point). Mentally and emotionally he’s not into the whole drama and fighting like he used to and with that it could’ve hinder his performance when competing. It can happen to people and I’m pretty sure it has, Miguel is human like everyone else but people seem to forget that I guess
They didn't nerf him at all lol 😂😂 the kid broke his fucking back. If anything they overstepped and made his abilities too good for a 17 year old that broke there back not even a year ago. Tf. The healing time in this show is already incredible but y'all really want Miguel to never feel that back injury again like WHAT??? let me go kick you off a balcony like 15-20 feet onto a Metal railing but then in less than a year he will somehow win the all valley again? LIKE WHAT!!!!
Why do people think Miguel’s back injury isn’t gonna be a reoccurring problem? Why y’all think sport athletes still suffer from muscle pain and arthritis over years even after they retire
First, Johnny is the main character of the series. Second, Miguel got horribly injured. Him being "nerfed" makes sense and it is part of the story. This isn't like what they did with Hawk in season 2.
Bro Nathan I get your team Sam but at least see other people perspective. Robby said "It doesn't matter which way you fight as long as it works" That's something Daniel can't see because he feels like his way is right. And Kreese told Robby not to go easy, so Robby decided to finish the fight and go his normal or all out.
The most negative thing that Nathan has said about Sam is that "it's everyone's one fault". That's a fair criticism in certain instances like in the school fight, but their are other instances where it's less gray and Nathan will still defend Sam. Now, Sam making mistakes by itself isn't actually a bad thing by itself. As a teenager, you are expected to do so, but Sam has been the problem or partially the problem in too many instances. Miguel and Robby have made some mistakes, but they are much less frequent by comparison. Tory committed many awful actions, so I won't blame Sam for not liking her, but Tory is improving for the better whereas Sam had more or less stayed the same.
I swear he used to like more Robby in the first 2 seasons and now Miguel in 3 and 4 for me it’s the other way around Miguel s1 and 2 and Robby 3 and 4 are the bests
You guys have no idea, the finale is epic! Miguel is already a champion guys, so win or lose this tournament, he's proven himself already. Did he reinjure himself? Well you'll have to watch the Finale to get that answer. Season 5 is going to be insane! They are setting things up for Season 5.
I wouldn't say hawk been switching since he got his mohawk hes been going down hill there was never a moment where he went up hill until the end of s3 and in s4 he stayed on that up hill path he was consitent while robby was a angry ass at the start of s1 became not a angry ass in mayagi do then at the end of s2 let his anger ass out again, paralyzed a kid, ran away got caught got and became a angry ass again at then end of s3 because daniel turned him into the cops like he didnt kick a kid over a railing then at s4 hes not a angry ass and is chill af then proceeds to tell Miguel about how he paralyzed him like its a flex then became chill talked shit to Daniel for doing the responsible thing and johnny because he was a deadbeat father and hated everyone for not being good people like he himself didnt paralyze someone and stolen countless items then mid matched switched up on kenny and almost broke his nose, felt bad then hit hawk knee which was illegal doing the same thing hawk and Miguel did to him in the s1 tournament lost then finally decided to not be a angry ass and make up with his dad like robby cant decided what he wants to do and he gets mad at people for being assholes when he himself is a asshole who stole from mutiple stores, paralyzed a kid flex that he did that and stayed mad at the kid he almost killed and still never apologized instead fighting that kid again and threatening him, got mad at Daniel because daniel used common sense and didn't let robby go on like he a gta character running from the law and then hes mad at Johnny for understandable reason got stayed mad at same who apologized and told him he also broke her heart which he did like hes a level above hawk atleast hawk stayed a asshole when he was
Alright so here’s what I don’t get. Y’all say Robby is flip flop right. So when Hawk was flip flopping this whole series you love but when Robby does it you hate it. Hawk caused a lot of damage the first 3 seasons but always felt bad inside. Breaking his best friend’s arm, jumping Nate, stealing money, breaking into Miyagi Do taking the Medal of Honor, and vandalized the Larusso house and dislocated Robby’s shoulder in the first tournament when Robby was walking away. And also Miguel mind you also done his dirt too but y’all tend to forget that. He knew Robby had a injured shoulder in the first tournament but he still yanked it when Robby lended him a hand. Didn’t apologize till when they fought at the school which he escalated by the way by attacking Robby when they both were trying to stop the fight. And during the fight he mocked Robby’s relationship with his dad and Sam cheating on him , adding fuel to the flame making Robby more angrier, blinded by rage so by the time he said sorry he already done poked the bear. Yeah Robby did kick him but he didn’t mean to kick him off the second floor.
And honestly Miguel is not the lead character of the kids in the show. It’s spread out to 5 characters. Miguel, Robby, Sam, Tory, Hawk. They’re the protagonist of the show. They’re the new karate kids not just Miguel. There are different types of protagonists. The full hero, and the antihero. There are stories where the full hero has done dirt before or after becoming a full hero. And after looking at this show multiple times each of the main kid characters did their dirt
@@jalankvng Exactly! Even though you can make an argument for Miguel being the next “Karate Kid” since we started with him and all but everyone are the protagonists of this show, with their choices and actions, and consequences to their actions. Just because a character (specifically Miguel in this case) is the “main protagonist” or at least one of them, doesn’t mean he deserves special treatment, which I’ve seen a lot of people complain about his character this season. Was he nerfed? I guess, I mean what do you expect him to be after he landed on a metal bar and was in a coma for 2 weeks, in the best condition of his life and that happened a couple months ago in the show’s timeline. It’s ok for main characters to have long lasting struggles, which it seems people in general don’t understand in storytelling for some reason.
@@ihateanatomy2169 exactly protagonists get nerfed all the time. Even in reality it happens to people. Some athletes be the best or one of the best until they get injured. After that they may or may not play like they used to. It happens
@@jalankvng exactly, I just said the same in another comment on this vid but I kinda like that they did this to Miguel, 1. it’s kinda a long lasting consequence to his action of attacking Robby at the school and 2. He was at a sorta physical and a mental disadvantage this season , with all the drama that’s been going on, his heart and mind just isn’t in it like it used to be and it can lead to you not performing at your best which happens to people
Bro I’m with you I literally said the same thing last week for me Robby has suffered more than any other character in cobra Kai and I don’t hate Miguel but what happen with his back what’s literally his fault
Honestly after Miguel got hurt I was done. It just knocked all the spirit and excitement out of me. I had to wait three days before I watched the finale. The finale was really good. Miguel gets the crap for real. He spent all last season getting to walk and fight again and this season he is knocked back down. Its really messed up but im hopeful next season Miguel will be fully healed and back to OG Miguel.
Nathan is such a Robby hater 😂 I have to rewatch the reaction cause I was chatting with the people instead of paying attention. But I'm sure I will agree with Cameron anyway.
Robby won the prom fight though, so he isn’t that far from proving Miguel as his worthy opponent. That’s just how popular rivalries are written. The school fight is debatable
Tbf, Sam was using what Johnny taught the wrong way unlike how Miguel used Daniel's training. She got angry and started fights. But yea, Daniel has a point.
18:05, you missed probably the best Hawk line in the whole series: I'm the guy who is gonna win this whole fucking thing! such a pity you can't resist to talk so much haha
@@xxxentbrandonredhoodrobins7606 i meant, because, specially nathan, loves talking every time something happens… and they miss half of the following dialogues… and in series like this… you lose a lot of details…. I dont know what you refer when u say copyright
Y'all going all over on Robby..especially Nathan, the one who defends Sam with his life😒..if they could just watch the next episode 😅 Also I don't necessarily think what he said to Daniel was technically wrong..you don't just have to use one method to win..it's something Daniel will learn real quick but still..as for his fight against Kenny, he just fought as he would against anyone else..thats it..but then again watch next episode it will be clear 😅 Also yes, Miguel indeed has it worst this season
Nah, he clearly exagerated and humiliated Kenny who is his friend in front of everyone just to show off when he obviously could've won fast just like Kreese told him to, I would love to see him trying that with someone who can fight him toe to toe like Miguel and Hawk, he toyed with Kenny and humiliated him just because he could, there's no excuse. Also, Miguel hasn't worse this season, he might not have fought or had the same focus as the others but the only reason he didn't won again is because he didn't wanted to keep fighting and because his main plot with his father will be explored further next season and he'll be the highlight again.
This! They seem to forget how Miguel performed in the season one tournament literally Robby would have won and Miguel wouldn't have played dirty. They criticize Robby when he does things wrong but easily forgive what Miguel and Eli did in past seasons.
@@CobraKing5398 Please say that Miguel is better when he wins the tournament injuring his opponent, that's playing dirty. They literally see that Miguel is a better fighter because he is the protagonist but nothing to see Robby has proven to be a much better fighter. Also if it had been Robby and Miguel the final both had the same chance of winning. Falcon had a chance to get the point to Robby and that's when he hooked up Robby's shirt for me that wasn't very fair, plus Robby was distracted by kenny. Robby had to win the tournament both years but as he is not the protagonist and is the "bad"
@@nayArroyo Miguel would've won the first tournament regardless of Robby being injured or not and he proved that at the school fight when they were both at their best and Miguel still beat him and spared him, and then what Robby did? Attacked him by surprise and almost killed him, running away after that without even checking if Miguel was alive and still breathing. Miguel is a much better fighter than Robby and he proved that many times by beating him twice and he would've won again if they had fought on this tournament. They fought toe to toe at the prom fight and Miguel landed more hits than Robby and then Robby pushed him to the pool because he couldn't even beat a nerfed and not 100% Miguel lmao. Also, Hawk beat Robby fair and square and he could've simply dodged or blocked Robby's punch, if Robby was the best fighter he would've won even after he missed his chance but it was the other way around, that whole "Kenny's distraction" argument is weak and doesn't convince me one bit.
@@CobraKing5398 Nothing to see boy, you can clearly see how Robby had the advantage in the first tournament, Miguel began to win when he began to hit his shoulder but of course Miguel left him. Regarding the school thing, they were both fighting quite well but what if I threw it out but they both had no mercy Miguel in the tournament and Robby in school if he did badly but he still paid for it, and the graduation Miguel may have marked the blows but it is clearly seen that Robby practically had him on his knees. Accept it Robby is better both fighter and character.
Miguel getting hurt and not returning to that match made sense but I would’ve really loved to see how the Hawk vs Miguel fight would’ve ended without the injury, it was such a highly anticipated matchup up until the injury🔥💯
Your hate on Robby is hypocritical and unfounded, especially since y'all love Hawk... so Robby is a bad character for getting influenced by Kreese, but Hawk is a "victim" when he's influenced and does bad things? "Flip flopper" everyone is at this point *especially* Daniel and Johnny, they literally cannot stay consistent for more than 5 minutes. Also what is it with people calling shows garbage because they have character arcs, highs and lows? That's good storytelling. I don't want to see Miguel or Robby win five All Valley tournaments, that's boring, but apparently that's a "good show" to you.
Basically, they just want their favorite characters to win the tournament and don't really care about actual development or good writing and I think this is true of much of the Cobra Kai fandom. It's ridiculous. So somehow because Miguel got hurt here that's bad writing? Win a match=Good character and development.
I just wanted to say something else. Eli @ Hawk really has one of the best redemption arcs on this show. This is how you should write a redemption arc! AND he's definitely hands down one of the best actors out of all the 5 young protagonists on the show. Great actor. As someone said somewhere down in the comments, love to hate him during the first 3 seasons but now in this latest season, he's my hero! 😁 Sorry, Tanner! I gotta go with Jacob here. 🙏
Shut up fake fan of you whatever do soft of heart that popular jacob bertrand . I am honor of tanner robby or Jason Todd badass red hood just anti-hero or anti-villain more Grey-dark stronger than was miguel jerk hero and hawk villain.
@@Im_Jayke fake fan common his heart made of weak idol for blind the miguel jerk hero and hawk villain. Call their mean not that heart strong.call heart their weakness in sin flesh that it.
You know, the power of spoken words can be amazing. And having a powerful name can also be equally amazing. When Moon called Hawk by his real name “Eli“ that was very powerful moment. In Hebrew, Eli means “High” or “Elevated”. The “El” in Eli means “God”. What Moon did was resonate a “Winning Spirit” in Eli by calling him by his REAL name… and we saw the results and boost of confidence in Eli‘s demeanor, attitude, and performance. Eli ELEVATED like a just HAWK would do… and he became the NEW ALL VALLEY CHAMPION. Very powerful scene.
I’m only saying that Miguel beat Robby in the first all valley but remember that hawk hurt his shoulder I think it was the shoulder and robby had to fight hurt
Is that this! too bad that many people get carried away because it is "bad" and forget what the characters did in previous seasons. They let him pass him off because they are "teenagers" but forget when it comes to Robby. Also I have tried to change but they always hurt you Most of his dad. For me Robby is the best character and fighter in the show.
@@saileshnaidu8102 HAHA my god, you dream a lot and your fanaticism does not let you see reality. But I respect your opinion more I do not share it HAHA my god, you dream a lot and your fanaticism does not let you see reality. But I respect your opinion more I do not share it and I hope you respect mine ✌️
This is an ensemble show where no one character is more important than the other. Miguel isn’t the lead character. If anything the rivalries and karate are the main characters
@@saileshnaidu8102 it’s not the same with Johnny, he didn’t mind Miguel using different styles, he’s only qualm was the personality change he saw in Miguel’s actions.
@@SardonicVidait's beyond the fighting style. It's the philosophy of the styles. Eagle fang which is basically still cobra kai brought out Sam's aggression which Daniel didn't like. Miyagi do brings focus, balance and peace which Miguel became enlightened to, which Johnny saw as Miguel as soft. It's not as simple as y'all make it out
I love Miguel and Robby, but it looks like you guys forgot how Miguel acted in the end of season 1, he fought dirty and hurt Robby. Im not saying Robby didn`t do anything, but miguel did bad things either
@@Twrite609 I agree with you. I’m just saying that they never talk about this. This way it seems that Robby is the one who did something to Miguel and didn’t apologize, when actually both of them did it
@@leonardoespiuca6521 People can feel how they want the only people who make it a comparison is Robby fans. Liking Miguel does not have to be a mark against Robby. Some people don't agree with Robby's choices as well as ones who don't agree with Miguel choices. They both have done wrong we just say Miguel has payed the most for his mistakes. No Robby has never apologized to Miguel he only brags about it and uses it against Miguel that is the problem.
@@Twrite609 agreeing with you, I think people can feel however they want. I feel that is equal. I was just trying to give an argument to make it even, wasn’t saying robby is better
Actors have a limited control of certain things on set, whether they try stunts, dialogue improv etc. As far as I know, they don't have any control of the storylines that the writers come up with unless it's something they have to work around. Colton Haynes (Arsenal in Arrow) had medical problems during season 3 and requested to leave the show so the writers wrote Arsenal out in a way that worked. As far as I'm aware, the writers of Cobra Kai explained Miguel's arc in season 4 before they began filming, and Xolo was more than happy with it because it went in a direction that he was curious to explore
spoilers idk if they’ve seen ep 10 so i don’t want them to read this in case davion talking about how miguel just needs to leave and this is ruining him physically and mentally is so right. he’s been realizing the whole season that he’s tired of this stupid rivalry and the fact he’s being used in it. his decision of walking away from the tournament that he (in his words) didn’t feel like he was fighting for himself at was the best thing he could have done. and again davion saying he needs to leave i think him literally leaving to find his dad and whatever happens to him there (i’m sure johnny and robby will also get development too there with miguel directly as well) will hopefully build him back up and he’ll come back stronger than ever and maybe he’ll find a reason to fight again.
@@pleaseshush9800 No, Eli had him before sudden death and he would just score the last point later, Miguel was above Eli on their fight (even after he gained his confidence back) and actually managed to break through his defense (while Hawk couldn't do the same) and was about to knock him out with that tornado kick while Robby got beat by Eli who dealt with him way better than he dealt with Miguel. Miguel is still the best fighter.
@@123cfc3 Lol no he didn't, Miguel fought him toe to toe at the prom fight and actually landed 2 hits on him while Robby only landed 1 hit. (I'm talking about when they were on 1vs1), Robby couldn't beat a nerfed Miguel and had to push him to the pool, he didn't even came close of beating Miguel as he could still keep fighting.
That was some great cinematography though. Here we as the audience are, all hyped up for them to pull that shocker outta nowhere. I don’t know anybody who’s a fan of this show and doesn’t like Miguel, so collectively we’re rooting for him and we know he and Eli will give a good fight. But that twist ending was all too unexpected
I wouldn't say Daniel's training is weak, after all that's the training that Robby gave the Kais, and they're using it to win. Daniel's failure is in not realizing that the kids NEED to adapt a variety of styles because the enemy now knows their playbook. That's what Sam's fight this episode showed us, the girl says "without your defense, you're nothing," which is why Sam needed both, and why all the kids need access to offense and defense to use in their own best way.
I think Daniel might have learnt the Miyagi healing technique, but he's not confident about it, and he isn't at Miyagi's level yet, which is why he didn't do it on Robby in season 1, but we clearly saw that he was about to try the very technique on Robby. Idk, maybe he'll improve.
I loved this reaction and I can’t wait for you guys to react to episode 10! Also I don’t know if you guys have reacted to The Maze Runner trilogy but I’d loved to see you guys react to that!
I seriously love Cameron's thinking and I love defending Robby not many of them do. They defend a lot of falcon and Miguel but they forget how they were in the past seasons (Miguel season 1) I think in the next chapter they will be surprised. Top Robby
Thank you! I hate them hating on Robby. And it's not just them. Everyone forgets what Miguel did to Robby in season one. Miguel is not innocent and everyone forgets that! Robby> Miguel tbh.
@@audreyadams5657 This! For more thoughts like that, I only see hatred towards Robby and I can't stand it seems that they don't see beyond the character and stay with the bad and if Robby superior.
@@nayArroyo His intentions have little say in what actually happened. I’m not saying Miguel is innocent in any way, all the teens make mistakes and that is the point. But realistically, Robby has made the most crucial ones so far which makes it easier to call him out. Besides, they’ve addressed Miguel’s mistakes multiple times leading up to this episode so it’s not as if they “forgot”, they’re just referring to what happened in this episode.
Haha Sam is the best if you think about it. Only one that hasn’t switched dojos. Only one that hasn’t cheated in a fight. It took her almost 4 whole seasons to instigate one fight and that was against a girl that had threatened her life a few times. Plus shes an Olympic level athlete who can jump building to building
Because he thinks that Eagle Fang/Cobra Kai is way too aggressive and that those who use it develop an anger problem. Miyagi Do is defensive and more about inner balance and peace. I don't understand why it's hard for people to understand why Daniel is like this. The hate he gets is so annoying.
I Felt the same way after Miguel got injured and wasn't able to defend his title. Then to add to that feeling Hawk beats Robbie. I was so done after watching that episode. I had to force myself to watch episode 10. I'm glad I did because it brought back the love for the show. The ending made up for this season to be a good season.
Did I come back from ghosting just to watch this episode because Hawk’s back? Yeah I did do that. Love you boys though and still supporting from a quieter spot. Life has just been insane. Now for two fun facts: 1) the tall guy that Bert faced down is the stunt double for one Thomas Ian Griffith 2) Hawk is the best character in the show no cap
I died at "Jeff Davis wrote this episode." 😂
Timestamp?
@@lildumplin2344 24:58
Did They Quit watching Teen wolf?
There are still 10 more episodes But They havent uploaded for 8 days now.
@@bodigames They haven't been able to film teen wolf because Myles got covid. It's why we got more cobra kai cause they had already finished filming s4.
@@annahpjb thanks for letting me know.
why does everyone seem to think they’re ruining miguel’s character. it’s only ruining if they don’t plan to build him back up. i’ll be the first one to complain if all the shit they’ve done to miguel the last 2 seasons doesn’t give us a satisfying come back arc for him but the cobra kai writers haven’t given me a reason to believe they don’t know what they’re doing.
Exactly, it’s like some Cobra Kai fans think just because he’s the “main character”(when really he’s ONE of the main characters of the kids) he’s not allowed long lasting struggles. He would be kinda boring if he was able to body everyone he fights and be super op like he used to be
His comeback arc is gonna be amazing. The fact they still have him as technically undefeated shows us how much the writers love his character
@@ihateanatomy2169 i agree!!!! i’m very tired of “he doesn’t feel like a main character anymore” argument bc yes he’s taken a back seat this season and in s3 he didn’t fight at all bc he was recovering so maybe ppl are just frustrated he’s not back to fighting but i think where they’re going with him is really good. it’s funny that you mentioned it being boring if he stayed op and was beating ass all the time bc ppl have been calling him boring in s4 when he has the best character arc imo???? realizing you aren’t fighting for yourself and you’re being used for a rivalry older than you are and not knowing who you are or what you want is a great storyline imo. the writers haven’t disappointed me yet and unless they do something like have all of miguel’s pain be for nothing or completely focus away from his character i’ll continue to praise them.
the only thing i don’t like is annoying fans that only cares about the fighting talking about him getting nerfed and being boring 24/7 like oh brother sorry he’s going through a lot rn and karate isn’t what’s helping him at the moment. his storyline is more character driven than fighting rn and that’s fine (i do hope he gets to beat someone’s ass in s5 though mainly bc i’m tired of seeing ppl disrespect his name)
@@Barb-x7x Exactly, Miguel is physically at a disadvantage since he just recovered a few months ago (even though he somehow managed to defeat Kyler in the house fight which didn’t make sense at all, all you have to do is look at his face in that fight, he should’ve been knocked out by Kyler, like he was getting repeated punches to the back before he got his inspiration but I’m getting off track) and in this season he’s mentally and emotionally drained. From not being able to go the college he wants because of finances, worried about not being good enough to date Sam because of Daniel, all of the drama that’s happened in past season and his father issues this entire season, he was not gonna perform to the best of his ability fighting wise, which does happen to people doing anything. If you’re heart and mind isn’t in it like it used to be, you’re not gonna be at you’re best. Miguel felt the most human this season, most humans are emotional and complicated, especially when you’re 16-18 when you’re trying to find who you are. I’m 16 and I understand that, I don’t know how others don’t
thats what im saying i feel like hes gonna be such a better charecter and fighter after he comes back from mexico
Fun Fact: Carrie watched Cobra Kai during lockdown and tweeted about how much she loved it and some of the cast and producers replied to her, that’s how they got in contact with her to be on the show ❤️
Don’t care what nobody says I hated that😂felt so out of place
@@alarrim29574 Fr
@@alarrim29574 Its also worse when you have 0 clue who she is and she is taking up half of the fighting scenes
Who’s Carrie?
@@Yo-qi1kc Underwood
Seeing y’all argue and out so much passion into this show is super exciting. This whole fanbase roots for Miguel and the whole cast and characters. It’s amazing what we the audience can feel and how tight we got wound up because of emotional investment. This is great storytelling!
My anxiety levels were just so high during this episode
This wasn't Miguel's all-valley tournament to win. He already won in s1 and had that arc where he went from being weak and bullied on the streets to kicking ass and becoming a champion. In this season he already is a champion but feels like he needs to prove himself again to Johnny especially after he called him Robby in the last episode. And having that mindset tempted him to push the limits and injure himself again. He can't even fight for himself anymore because everything is surrounded by this karate drama and rivals.
This season have been garbage tbh
@@gigigigigi1534 you are in the huge minority of people that think that
@@ImaBobbyMudda Majority of the poeple are blind stans
@@gigigigigi1534 nah you’re just that guy who loves to hate things that are popular
@@ImaBobbyMudda Not really. I was one of the biggest cobra kai's fan back in 2018
Please I cant get over when Miguel screamed "sensei" and all I hear is "What he say" please im dead🤣
frrr
24:14 🤣🤣🤣
Hawk and Tory were my favorite characters and I stood by that ☺️
Miguel: take his a*s out?! Hawk is my friend.
Also Miguel: *agreed not to hold back and tried to tornado kick the undying s*it out of Hawk so hard that he hurt his back
The ULTIMATE backfire for Miguel when he tried using that tornado kick on Eli. DANG! That looks painful! That cracking sound! EPIC!
He wasnt going to hurt hawk badly. Simply a knockout. Johnny asked him to destroy hawk. Thats where he disagreed. Also, he didnt hurt his back bcos of the kick too hard. He was unstable in the head and then his back gave out
@@amirhamzahsulaiman9387 he was already gonna win against hawk.
"Take his ass out" to him means repeat the same dirty domination he used in s1. This time, he wants to win cleanly, without holding back
@@artprojectsix5280 if that's the case then he should've been complaining about fighting dirty, not about beating Hawk. Anyway, he could still take Hawk's a*s out without fighting dirty, plus Hawk wasn't injured, unlike Robby.
21:42
"That kid DIED."
LMFAO
Don't jump to conclusions yet.. watch the final episode to the very end , you will love it !!
they alr did
For miguel u have to be optimistic and understand his arc. If u dont u will be dissapointed
@@karen8417 uh
In part, Miguel has been down because of his fall-out with Sam. I know it's not the main reason, but it still hurts a ton.
On the bright side, Demetri has stepped his game up. And Hawk finally getting his second chance with Moon… in my opinion, absolute fire!!!!!!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I dont like to see Miguel down but to be honest, Im glad they didnt make his back injury go away. Because it did seem a little unrealistic that his coma and broken back trauma just miraculously went away cause of Johnny's physical therapy and the only consequences was that Miguel was a little bit out of shape. It seems more right that he is still struggling with his injury and he will hopefully fully recover in season 5 with what ever major fight he gets into ( fingers crossed for a final Miguel vs robby fight🤞🏾)
@@Shaye.J you do realize that you NEVER fully heal from a serious spine injury. Especially his. Know matter how much time has passed his back will NEVER feel the same again nor will he be able to do the same. But hey it's a show and if they want to make it so he can basically be back at 100 I say congrats to them for having big enough balls to so something like that. (In terms of maybe pissing fans off) Long live COBRA KAI
@@Disss135 no. U actually can in 3 months. In the end, it all comes to mental strengh.
@@Disss135 OBVIOUSLY. My point is that the show made it seem like it is possible an injury like that can be recovered from in that short amount of time to compete in athletic competitions and the way they are writing the plot makes it seem like he was have a type of development that will get him on the path of getting his old fighting spirt back while fighting for himself instead of fighting for other people's causes. U are right about the other points tho
“Demetri, my brother.”
Miguel getting hurt was a way for him to get out of the tournament without losing his title so it’s kind of like leading up to a big match or a big fight you want to keep the main character padded so they didn’t lose he got hurt so he couldn’t fight
Y'all gotta remember they also read the script for season 5- Xolo was probably more than happy with Miggy's arc LOL
How do u know?
@@saileshnaidu8102 they're done filming s5 already. Meaning he read over the script a long time ago
@@artprojectsix5280 what do u think of miguels arc now that s5 is out?
I like how Divek was quiet the whole episode and when miguel goy clapped he was about to walk out 😂😂😂
Lol 😂 he had a lot to say by that point
I mean what the f- did Daniel expect was gonna happen? It was a no brainer that “hmm I wonder if Robby would teach Cobra Kai Miyagi-Do?”
Yes, no one would expect that genius. Its more realistic to think that robby hated miyagi do
@@saileshnaidu8102 not really because Robby started with miyagi do and Robby was against his father meaning he would use anything one to annoy him and two to win
Watch they're saying this show is garbage now but the next video of them reacting to the season finale will be them saying how much they love the show 😂 y'all are one of the best reactors
Fr😂
How are they “done with this show” already? Haha 😂 I mean I know they kind of joked this’ll be the last episode they watch I stead of 10 because they were so angry about what happened to Miguel. But I’m looking forward to their reaction too entirely based off the last episode
@@adrianaavila8853 😂😂exactly
Way to go guys! You're almost there... ONE MORE episode left! Can't wait to see you guys react to the final episode 😉...
Right?
@@Emgoscus328 Right! I really do hope they upload the FINAL episode soon! I can't wait to see their reactions to the tournament results 😁😉
@@amirhamzahsulaiman9387 I dont think they will they said "im done with cobra kai this show is garbage
@@seekndstroy9634 prob cuz on the part Miguel re Injured his back lmao
@@DarylDixonisjusthim yes
Robbie’s a literal power ranger
I just know Season 5 Miguel is gonna destroy everyone
I hope so. Because I’m starting to feel like the shows been becoming the Sam and Tory show. And the show started out building up Miguel and Johnny (and some of Robby.)
@@Kayoss13212 Next season is probably gonna be robby, Miguel and johnny in Mexico dealing with their stuff, tory and sam kind of chilling out (hopefully), daniel + chozen stuff, Kenny v anthony stuff. Lots of things. I am hoping they delay some of the storylines for season 6 so they can focus on the characters that were slid aside.
Bruh everybody say that every season
I feel like the next season will be more of Kenny and Anthony.
@@karthikg1427 I hope so. Because I just feel like some of the things that they built up for Miguel (learning Karate, his lackluster rivalry with Robby) they’ve kinda tossed aside for Sam and Tory. Anything major, he’s rarely been a part of. Like learning both Karate styles from Johnny and Daniel, leveling up to weapons like Sam and Tory, even the final fights. Even Eli and Demitri had a better rivalry imo.
Best part of this reaction: "WHAT WOULD JEFF DAVIS DO!?" 🤣🤣😭😂😂😂.. i just can't-
Ahahha it’s divek and Cameron doing some bs in the corner while davion, Nathan, and miles tryna fix Nathan’s intro for MEeee 💀🤣🤣🤣
WOW, the jumping to conclusions went from "0 to 100" real quick. You all missed Miguel and Robby's storyline here. Either way, can't wait for you guys to react to episode 10. Please make it sooner than later.
Miguel remains my favorite character, and it was a struggle watching what this season did to him. But I genuinely think the writers will build him back up and he’ll have a fantastic arc. Robby went harder than he needed to, it’s true, but I really liked his character this season. He goes back and forth a lot, but I feel like it’s still true to his character and shows his internal battle within himself as well. I’m just waiting for Miguel and Robby to be on good terms tbh, I’d love to seem them as a duo.
Especially once Robby finds out Johnny’s dating Carmen. We saw Miguel’s reaction to his mom and sensei. But what’ll be the reaction of Robby with his dad and enemy’s mom? 🤷🏻♀️
I agree with you Miguel is also my favorite character in the show and I think the writers are definitely gonna build up his arc next season and in season 6
A lot of people now seem like they are sad for Miguel that he got into the conflict between Johnny and Daniel. They can understand that he isn´t mentally fit because he isn´t fighting one fight, he fights two. One at the tournament and one in his head. But the fact that Miguel is in this position just in season 4 and people forgett that there is only one other person in this show who is involved into this conflict between Johnny and Daniel is Robby. Things with Daniel went wrong for many times because of the rivalry. (Yes, i know that Robby isn´t innocent). But he is the one that struggles since season 1 with things in his head.
The fact that Robby goes back and forth a lot is the perfect example why there isn´t one dojo which is the best. Sometimes people need more MiyagiDo, sometimes more Cobra Kai. Silver/Kreese will never understand this. I bet Daniel too.
Robby went way to aggressive into the fight with Kenny. Spoiler: In my opinion this is the first part where he realizes Cobra Kai isn´t the right place and he turn softer, like in the next fight. He never had this aggressive face again.
@@adrianaavila8853 I bet they try to make it like comedy. Or Robby is the one who finds out on his own just like Miguel did.
@@AlfaFang_ What makes you think there will be a 6th season?
I love how Cam and Divek are living in their own world at the start while Nathan traumatized Davion😂
Robby was my favorite character this season by far.
It was superior, too bad that many people get carried away because it is "bad" and forget what the characters did in previous seasons. They let him pass him off because they are "teenagers" but forget when it comes to Robby.
He’s gonna win next season for sure
@@nayArroyo exactly!
@@ashleylawrence6928 I hope so because he deserves it.
Robby is easily the best teen character of the series. He didn't just become good this season. He's had actual development since the Pilot and he's written in a good way, not a way to please fans, which is exactly why he's the most well-rounded character.
Nathan always on Robby for actually winning by his way, he sounds like Daniel. Sam said the exact same thing as Robby but Nathan hates Robby wtf. Also in the first tournament Miguel went after Robby's injury but no one talks about that. Miguel isn't the main character and he was hurt not too long ago!
Miguel is the main character between the teenagers, the show started with his and Johnny's story and he has the most focus and screen time between all of them.
@@CobraKing5398 That was earlier on, the show adds and focuses on other characters. The show doesn't focus only on those two.
@@scarletnach2952 Yeah, I would argue at this point of the show, Robby feels more like the main character among the teens. He's always had an interesting subplot separate from all the group stuff and his development has been the best written. Miguel is the main teen character in name only at this point, imo.
@@drlee2 True but imo it makes sense that he has been in the backseat because of Robby, Tory, Anthony, and Kenny getting more.
@@scarletnach2952 it adds focus but doesnt lose sight on the main main characters like miguel
The guy on the left complained way to much😂 just cause he didn’t get what he wanted lol, he’s tryna say Miguel should walk out of his contract lol😂🤣 it just sets up the next story for the next season
I will say the only good thing that comes out of the injury is that Miguel technically didn't lose the title to anyone, so you could argue that Miguel's stock doesn't drop because it's not like Hawk actually beat Miguel.
And I thought that was the biggest BS of this whole thing of all the kid characters Miguel gets all of the plot armor if you wanted to get to what they got to in the final cuz I don't want to mess it up for anybody just let him lose straight up it would have been fine
@@filthy0819 How does Miguel have plot armor??? He nearly broke his damn back and almost died from a coma. Miguel has started doing karate longer than any of the other teens in the show. The whole point of Miguel’s arc in the show was that karate was never his issue, it was dealing with his personal life
@@filthy0819 no it would NOT have been fine. The new gen karate kid here
@@filthy0819 nah miguel is the karate kid of this generation like daniel he is the underdog he cant lose bro
Miguel my fav character this season they nerfed him so much hope its to setup his story in s5 where he will come back as the main character once again
Miguel is still a main character he just isn't the only main character of the show, there are other main characters. In television and drama their are different types of main characters. What happened to Miguel this episode made perfect sense he literally just recovered like two months ago what would have been dumb is if he was going all out and not get hurt the slightest considering he just recovered. The only reason miguel is seen as the only main character in the show is because the writers needed a base and they used miguel's character for that but as the story progressed we met other main characters with different backstories and got introduced to different storylines. If you actually analyse the show miguel was the only character that didn't need growth, in most of audience's eyes he was the only protagonist of the show. Everyone else needed growth, so this season focused on the main characters that need that growth while doing that they obviously need a character that will give them growth for the next season so just because miguel didn't win the match doesn't mean they nerfed him and if he did win that match it would have been boring cause if he won the all valley that means he would be a two time champ like we have enough two time champs at that point the writers are just lazy not write a different one
@@gabriellehughes1788 THANK YOU!! People seem to think Miguel is the main character of this show when he’s not, every character is just as important as he is and Miguel can have struggles like other characters. People want him to be like his season 2 self when he was at his prime but him hurting his spine and in being in a coma for 2 weeks and having to compete in the all valley a few months later is not good for him physically(even though he defeated Kyler in the house fight, which COMPLETE BULL and doesn’t make sense at all but that’s besides the point). Mentally and emotionally he’s not into the whole drama and fighting like he used to and with that it could’ve hinder his performance when competing. It can happen to people and I’m pretty sure it has, Miguel is human like everyone else but people seem to forget that I guess
They didn't nerf him at all lol 😂😂 the kid broke his fucking back. If anything they overstepped and made his abilities too good for a 17 year old that broke there back not even a year ago. Tf. The healing time in this show is already incredible but y'all really want Miguel to never feel that back injury again like WHAT??? let me go kick you off a balcony like 15-20 feet onto a Metal railing but then in less than a year he will somehow win the all valley again? LIKE WHAT!!!!
Why do people think Miguel’s back injury isn’t gonna be a reoccurring problem? Why y’all think sport athletes still suffer from muscle pain and arthritis over years even after they retire
First, Johnny is the main character of the series.
Second, Miguel got horribly injured. Him being "nerfed" makes sense and it is part of the story. This isn't like what they did with Hawk in season 2.
Sam reacted to Tory after Tory reacted to Sam, I think that's basically it.
Bro Nathan I get your team Sam but at least see other people perspective. Robby said "It doesn't matter which way you fight as long as it works" That's something Daniel can't see because he feels like his way is right. And Kreese told Robby not to go easy, so Robby decided to finish the fight and go his normal or all out.
The most negative thing that Nathan has said about Sam is that "it's everyone's one fault".
That's a fair criticism in certain instances like in the school fight, but their are other instances where it's less gray and Nathan will still defend Sam.
Now, Sam making mistakes by itself isn't actually a bad thing by itself. As a teenager, you are expected to do so, but Sam has been the problem or partially the problem in too many instances. Miguel and Robby have made some mistakes, but they are much less frequent by comparison. Tory committed many awful actions, so I won't blame Sam for not liking her, but Tory is improving for the better whereas Sam had more or less stayed the same.
Love Nathan for defending Miguel ❤️❤️
He's lowkey a Sam lover
He seems to be the only one with real objective sense( joking but not really) everyone else just rides purely off emotion.
@@brevonmckinney2537 as he should be
I swear he used to like more Robby in the first 2 seasons and now Miguel in 3 and 4 for me it’s the other way around Miguel s1 and 2 and Robby 3 and 4 are the bests
The actor for Robbie has definitely improved his acting since the first season, 20:57 his whole aura changed to cold and focused
You guys have no idea, the finale is epic! Miguel is already a champion guys, so win or lose this tournament, he's proven himself already. Did he reinjure himself? Well you'll have to watch the Finale to get that answer. Season 5 is going to be insane! They are setting things up for Season 5.
Cameron was right about Robby in my opinion. Cause, Hawk, was also switching in this show
I wouldn't say hawk been switching since he got his mohawk hes been going down hill there was never a moment where he went up hill until the end of s3 and in s4 he stayed on that up hill path he was consitent while robby was a angry ass at the start of s1 became not a angry ass in mayagi do then at the end of s2 let his anger ass out again, paralyzed a kid, ran away got caught got and became a angry ass again at then end of s3 because daniel turned him into the cops like he didnt kick a kid over a railing then at s4 hes not a angry ass and is chill af then proceeds to tell Miguel about how he paralyzed him like its a flex then became chill talked shit to Daniel for doing the responsible thing and johnny because he was a deadbeat father and hated everyone for not being good people like he himself didnt paralyze someone and stolen countless items then mid matched switched up on kenny and almost broke his nose, felt bad then hit hawk knee which was illegal doing the same thing hawk and Miguel did to him in the s1 tournament lost then finally decided to not be a angry ass and make up with his dad like robby cant decided what he wants to do and he gets mad at people for being assholes when he himself is a asshole who stole from mutiple stores, paralyzed a kid flex that he did that and stayed mad at the kid he almost killed and still never apologized instead fighting that kid again and threatening him, got mad at Daniel because daniel used common sense and didn't let robby go on like he a gta character running from the law and then hes mad at Johnny for understandable reason got stayed mad at same who apologized and told him he also broke her heart which he did like hes a level above hawk atleast hawk stayed a asshole when he was
Alright so here’s what I don’t get. Y’all say Robby is flip flop right. So when Hawk was flip flopping this whole series you love but when Robby does it you hate it. Hawk caused a lot of damage the first 3 seasons but always felt bad inside. Breaking his best friend’s arm, jumping Nate, stealing money, breaking into Miyagi Do taking the Medal of Honor, and vandalized the Larusso house and dislocated Robby’s shoulder in the first tournament when Robby was walking away. And also Miguel mind you also done his dirt too but y’all tend to forget that. He knew Robby had a injured shoulder in the first tournament but he still yanked it when Robby lended him a hand. Didn’t apologize till when they fought at the school which he escalated by the way by attacking Robby when they both were trying to stop the fight. And during the fight he mocked Robby’s relationship with his dad and Sam cheating on him , adding fuel to the flame making Robby more angrier, blinded by rage so by the time he said sorry he already done poked the bear. Yeah Robby did kick him but he didn’t mean to kick him off the second floor.
And honestly Miguel is not the lead character of the kids in the show. It’s spread out to 5 characters. Miguel, Robby, Sam, Tory, Hawk. They’re the protagonist of the show. They’re the new karate kids not just Miguel. There are different types of protagonists. The full hero, and the antihero. There are stories where the full hero has done dirt before or after becoming a full hero. And after looking at this show multiple times each of the main kid characters did their dirt
@@jalankvng Exactly! Even though you can make an argument for Miguel being the next “Karate Kid” since we started with him and all but everyone are the protagonists of this show, with their choices and actions, and consequences to their actions. Just because a character (specifically Miguel in this case) is the “main protagonist” or at least one of them, doesn’t mean he deserves special treatment, which I’ve seen a lot of people complain about his character this season. Was he nerfed? I guess, I mean what do you expect him to be after he landed on a metal bar and was in a coma for 2 weeks, in the best condition of his life and that happened a couple months ago in the show’s timeline. It’s ok for main characters to have long lasting struggles, which it seems people in general don’t understand in storytelling for some reason.
@@ihateanatomy2169 exactly protagonists get nerfed all the time. Even in reality it happens to people. Some athletes be the best or one of the best until they get injured. After that they may or may not play like they used to. It happens
@@jalankvng exactly, I just said the same in another comment on this vid but I kinda like that they did this to Miguel, 1. it’s kinda a long lasting consequence to his action of attacking Robby at the school and 2. He was at a sorta physical and a mental disadvantage this season , with all the drama that’s been going on, his heart and mind just isn’t in it like it used to be and it can lead to you not performing at your best which happens to people
Bro I’m with you I literally said the same thing last week for me Robby has suffered more than any other character in cobra Kai and I don’t hate Miguel but what happen with his back what’s literally his fault
Honestly after Miguel got hurt I was done. It just knocked all the spirit and excitement out of me. I had to wait three days before I watched the finale. The finale was really good. Miguel gets the crap for real. He spent all last season getting to walk and fight again and this season he is knocked back down. Its really messed up but im hopeful next season Miguel will be fully healed and back to OG Miguel.
Miguel will be triumphant in the end. His path has been long and difficult, so his ultimate victory will be sweet.
Also that kick that devon did at 15:08 was the same kick that johnny used in the 1st karate kid at the all valley
I swear to God Cameron is the dude at the party who's always in the background subtly stealing the spotlight.
you guys missed it when daniel asked hawk who he was and hawk said: “the guy who’s gonna win this whole fucking thing.” 😭
Lmao that sip with the mask on
dont wrry guys miguel will be the main character again in season 5. the finale will make sense why
Nathan is such a Robby hater 😂
I have to rewatch the reaction cause I was chatting with the people instead of paying attention. But I'm sure I will agree with Cameron anyway.
I didn’t like him till season 3 😂😂but now he easily the best
@@alarrim29574 same season 1 and 2 for me he was decent but season 3 and 4 he was the best
He used to like more Robby than Miguel but he changed
@@marcosvb7926 it’s stupid but his hair made him so I unlikable in the first 2 seasons😂😂
@@alarrim29574 he's been my favourite since s1 and now I'm like staying back and enjoying how much people like him
Robbie is particularly good at losing to Miguel. Last all valley, then the school fight where Miguel had him pinned to the floor for good.
Robby won the prom fight though, so he isn’t that far from proving Miguel as his worthy opponent. That’s just how popular rivalries are written. The school fight is debatable
Daniel was at his next level annoyance this episode. Sam didn't cheat or fight dirty, gtfo with "you didn't win the right way"
Tbf, Sam was using what Johnny taught the wrong way unlike how Miguel used Daniel's training. She got angry and started fights. But yea, Daniel has a point.
Hands down The best reaction channel on yt
Cameran has never got on Robby for anything 😂😂😂
24:37 LMAO the collective expressions of disappointment 😭😭😭 I’m crying
Davion predicted season 5
18:05, you missed probably the best Hawk line in the whole series: I'm the guy who is gonna win this whole fucking thing! such a pity you can't resist to talk so much haha
they probably would wanted to avoided copyright
@@xxxentbrandonredhoodrobins7606 i meant, because, specially nathan, loves talking every time something happens… and they miss half of the following dialogues… and in series like this… you lose a lot of details…. I dont know what you refer when u say copyright
Oh okay
Y'all going all over on Robby..especially Nathan, the one who defends Sam with his life😒..if they could just watch the next episode 😅
Also I don't necessarily think what he said to Daniel was technically wrong..you don't just have to use one method to win..it's something Daniel will learn real quick but still..as for his fight against Kenny, he just fought as he would against anyone else..thats it..but then again watch next episode it will be clear 😅
Also yes, Miguel indeed has it worst this season
Nah, he clearly exagerated and humiliated Kenny who is his friend in front of everyone just to show off when he obviously could've won fast just like Kreese told him to, I would love to see him trying that with someone who can fight him toe to toe like Miguel and Hawk, he toyed with Kenny and humiliated him just because he could, there's no excuse. Also, Miguel hasn't worse this season, he might not have fought or had the same focus as the others but the only reason he didn't won again is because he didn't wanted to keep fighting and because his main plot with his father will be explored further next season and he'll be the highlight again.
This! They seem to forget how Miguel performed in the season one tournament literally Robby would have won and Miguel wouldn't have played dirty. They criticize Robby when he does things wrong but easily forgive what Miguel and Eli did in past seasons.
@@CobraKing5398 Please say that Miguel is better when he wins the tournament injuring his opponent, that's playing dirty. They literally see that Miguel is a better fighter because he is the protagonist but nothing to see Robby has proven to be a much better fighter. Also if it had been Robby and Miguel the final both had the same chance of winning. Falcon had a chance to get the point to Robby and that's when he hooked up Robby's shirt for me that wasn't very fair, plus Robby was distracted by kenny. Robby had to win the tournament both years but as he is not the protagonist and is the "bad"
@@nayArroyo Miguel would've won the first tournament regardless of Robby being injured or not and he proved that at the school fight when they were both at their best and Miguel still beat him and spared him, and then what Robby did? Attacked him by surprise and almost killed him, running away after that without even checking if Miguel was alive and still breathing. Miguel is a much better fighter than Robby and he proved that many times by beating him twice and he would've won again if they had fought on this tournament. They fought toe to toe at the prom fight and Miguel landed more hits than Robby and then Robby pushed him to the pool because he couldn't even beat a nerfed and not 100% Miguel lmao. Also, Hawk beat Robby fair and square and he could've simply dodged or blocked Robby's punch, if Robby was the best fighter he would've won even after he missed his chance but it was the other way around, that whole "Kenny's distraction" argument is weak and doesn't convince me one bit.
@@CobraKing5398 Nothing to see boy, you can clearly see how Robby had the advantage in the first tournament, Miguel began to win when he began to hit his shoulder but of course Miguel left him. Regarding the school thing, they were both fighting quite well but what if I threw it out but they both had no mercy Miguel in the tournament and Robby in school if he did badly but he still paid for it, and the graduation Miguel may have marked the blows but it is clearly seen that Robby practically had him on his knees. Accept it Robby is better both fighter and character.
Miguel getting hurt and not returning to that match made sense but I would’ve really loved to see how the Hawk vs Miguel fight would’ve ended without the injury, it was such a highly anticipated matchup up until the injury🔥💯
Miguel. Never has a break
Your hate on Robby is hypocritical and unfounded, especially since y'all love Hawk... so Robby is a bad character for getting influenced by Kreese, but Hawk is a "victim" when he's influenced and does bad things? "Flip flopper" everyone is at this point *especially* Daniel and Johnny, they literally cannot stay consistent for more than 5 minutes.
Also what is it with people calling shows garbage because they have character arcs, highs and lows? That's good storytelling. I don't want to see Miguel or Robby win five All Valley tournaments, that's boring, but apparently that's a "good show" to you.
Basically, they just want their favorite characters to win the tournament and don't really care about actual development or good writing and I think this is true of much of the Cobra Kai fandom. It's ridiculous. So somehow because Miguel got hurt here that's bad writing? Win a match=Good character and development.
@@drlee2 Best comments I've seen ^^
I just wanted to say something else. Eli @ Hawk really has one of the best redemption arcs on this show. This is how you should write a redemption arc!
AND he's definitely hands down one of the best actors out of all the 5 young protagonists on the show. Great actor. As someone said somewhere down in the comments, love to hate him during the first 3 seasons but now in this latest season, he's my hero! 😁
Sorry, Tanner! I gotta go with Jacob here. 🙏
Shut up fake fan of you whatever do soft of heart that popular jacob bertrand . I am honor of tanner robby or Jason Todd badass red hood just anti-hero or anti-villain more Grey-dark stronger than was miguel jerk hero and hawk villain.
@@xavierwilliams8825 bro what the fuck did you even just say
@@Im_Jayke I know right??? I’m confused 🤔… Why is he suddenly so upset with me? 🤷🏻♂️
@@xavierwilliams8825 huh?
@@Im_Jayke fake fan common his heart made of weak idol for blind the miguel jerk hero and hawk villain. Call their mean not that heart strong.call heart their weakness in sin flesh that it.
You know, the power of spoken words can be amazing. And having a powerful name can also be equally amazing.
When Moon called Hawk by his real name “Eli“ that was very powerful moment. In Hebrew, Eli means “High” or “Elevated”. The “El” in Eli means “God”.
What Moon did was resonate a “Winning Spirit” in Eli by calling him by his REAL name… and we saw the results and boost of confidence in Eli‘s demeanor, attitude, and performance. Eli ELEVATED like a just HAWK would do… and he became the NEW ALL VALLEY CHAMPION. Very powerful scene.
I’m only saying that Miguel beat Robby in the first all valley but remember that hawk hurt his shoulder I think it was the shoulder and robby had to fight hurt
Is that this! too bad that many people get carried away because it is "bad" and forget what the characters did in previous seasons. They let him pass him off because they are "teenagers" but forget when it comes to Robby. Also I have tried to change but they always hurt you Most of his dad. For me Robby is the best character and fighter in the show.
And he didn't even have a sensei for most of the tournament.
@@nayArroyo lol no. Miguel will be the best fighter by the end. He is the smartest and kindest as well as most loyal
@@saileshnaidu8102 HAHA my god, you dream a lot and your fanaticism does not let you see reality. But I respect your opinion more I do not share it HAHA my god, you dream a lot and your fanaticism does not let you see reality. But I respect your opinion more I do not share it and I hope you respect mine ✌️
@@nayArroyo robby is nothing like his father johnny at least won 2 all valley championships, robby lost second place twice so trash💀😭
This is an ensemble show where no one character is more important than the other. Miguel isn’t the lead character. If anything the rivalries and karate are the main characters
Daniel is such a hypocrite lol
Daniel when Sam uses eagle fang: 😡
Daniel when Miguel uses miyagi do: 😍
True that true that! 👏🏽
Same for johnny
@@saileshnaidu8102 it’s not the same with Johnny, he didn’t mind Miguel using different styles, he’s only qualm was the personality change he saw in Miguel’s actions.
@@SardonicVidait's beyond the fighting style. It's the philosophy of the styles. Eagle fang which is basically still cobra kai brought out Sam's aggression which Daniel didn't like. Miyagi do brings focus, balance and peace which Miguel became enlightened to, which Johnny saw as Miguel as soft. It's not as simple as y'all make it out
They played a more epic version of the song that was playing when Miguel and Hawk fought in season 2.
I love Miguel and Robby, but it looks like you guys forgot how Miguel acted in the end of season 1, he fought dirty and hurt Robby. Im not saying Robby didn`t do anything, but miguel did bad things either
So they all do bad things. I think Miguel has pay for it don't you.
@@Twrite609 I agree with you. I’m just saying that they never talk about this. This way it seems that Robby is the one who did something to Miguel and didn’t apologize, when actually both of them did it
@@leonardoespiuca6521 People can feel how they want the only people who make it a comparison is Robby fans. Liking Miguel does not have to be a mark against Robby. Some people don't agree with Robby's choices as well as ones who don't agree with Miguel choices. They both have done wrong we just say Miguel has payed the most for his mistakes. No Robby has never apologized to Miguel he only brags about it and uses it against Miguel that is the problem.
@@Twrite609 When did I say people can’t feel how they want to feel?
@@Twrite609 agreeing with you, I think people can feel however they want. I feel that is equal. I was just trying to give an argument to make it even, wasn’t saying robby is better
Wait until episode 10 boys. Now the real pain begins
😂 😂 😈 he’s a monster!!
I just watched this episode and came right over to see your reaction. It was just like mine. I'm so mad at the writers. Let Miguel shine!!
I would love a video of yall explaining which philosophy is good in life in cobra kai
Actors have a limited control of certain things on set, whether they try stunts, dialogue improv etc. As far as I know, they don't have any control of the storylines that the writers come up with unless it's something they have to work around.
Colton Haynes (Arsenal in Arrow) had medical problems during season 3 and requested to leave the show so the writers wrote Arsenal out in a way that worked. As far as I'm aware, the writers of Cobra Kai explained Miguel's arc in season 4 before they began filming, and Xolo was more than happy with it because it went in a direction that he was curious to explore
Love all your content guys keep it up
spoilers idk if they’ve seen ep 10 so i don’t want them to read this in case
davion talking about how miguel just needs to leave and this is ruining him physically and mentally is so right. he’s been realizing the whole season that he’s tired of this stupid rivalry and the fact he’s being used in it. his decision of walking away from the tournament that he (in his words) didn’t feel like he was fighting for himself at was the best thing he could have done. and again davion saying he needs to leave i think him literally leaving to find his dad and whatever happens to him there (i’m sure johnny and robby will also get development too there with miguel directly as well) will hopefully build him back up and he’ll come back stronger than ever and maybe he’ll find a reason to fight again.
tbf you can't have Miguel win every all valley. He also was not the best fighter this season.
He was, he was having the upper hand on Hawk who fought Robby toe to toe and won, he would've won again if he hadn't abandoned the tournament.
@@CobraKing5398 Robby would of beat him. Robby was the overall better fighter in the season. Eli also was better after he gained his confidence again.
@@CobraKing5398 robby already beat miguel this season
@@pleaseshush9800 No, Eli had him before sudden death and he would just score the last point later, Miguel was above Eli on their fight (even after he gained his confidence back) and actually managed to break through his defense (while Hawk couldn't do the same) and was about to knock him out with that tornado kick while Robby got beat by Eli who dealt with him way better than he dealt with Miguel. Miguel is still the best fighter.
@@123cfc3 Lol no he didn't, Miguel fought him toe to toe at the prom fight and actually landed 2 hits on him while Robby only landed 1 hit. (I'm talking about when they were on 1vs1), Robby couldn't beat a nerfed Miguel and had to push him to the pool, he didn't even came close of beating Miguel as he could still keep fighting.
Miguel and hawk are without a doubt the best fighters in this show
I would argue Robby is too though
@@adrianaavila8853 yeah, but he got beat by both so he’s third place
@@christophera.barahona9854 but didn't he beat both of them aswell?
@@123cfc3 Robby? He only beat hawk, but that was when hawk was corrupted and ran purely on anger
@@christophera.barahona9854 beat hawk in mall fight and miguel in school/prom
I was so mad when Miguel got injured. They gave him a whole lit slow motion moment, all that just for him to get injured
That was some great cinematography though. Here we as the audience are, all hyped up for them to pull that shocker outta nowhere. I don’t know anybody who’s a fan of this show and doesn’t like Miguel, so collectively we’re rooting for him and we know he and Eli will give a good fight. But that twist ending was all too unexpected
Miguel is so OP that they had to nerf him to keep the story going.
I wouldn't say Daniel's training is weak, after all that's the training that Robby gave the Kais, and they're using it to win. Daniel's failure is in not realizing that the kids NEED to adapt a variety of styles because the enemy now knows their playbook. That's what Sam's fight this episode showed us, the girl says "without your defense, you're nothing," which is why Sam needed both, and why all the kids need access to offense and defense to use in their own best way.
I think Daniel might have learnt the Miyagi healing technique, but he's not confident about it, and he isn't at Miyagi's level yet, which is why he didn't do it on Robby in season 1, but we clearly saw that he was about to try the very technique on Robby. Idk, maybe he'll improve.
😂 when Daniel yells out “medic!”
I loved this reaction and I can’t wait for you guys to react to episode 10! Also I don’t know if you guys have reacted to The Maze Runner trilogy but I’d loved to see you guys react to that!
I LOVE the maze runner trilogy. I hope they‘ll react to it one day. All three movies are amazing
17:54 literally one of the best scenes in the whole show, I screamed of excitement and was so hype right here🔥🔥
I seriously love Cameron's thinking and I love defending Robby not many of them do. They defend a lot of falcon and Miguel but they forget how they were in the past seasons (Miguel season 1) I think in the next chapter they will be surprised. Top Robby
Thank you! I hate them hating on Robby. And it's not just them. Everyone forgets what Miguel did to Robby in season one. Miguel is not innocent and everyone forgets that! Robby> Miguel tbh.
In all fairness, since Robby almost killed the guy so people tend to not put their mistakes on their same pedestal….
@@audreyadams5657 This! For more thoughts like that, I only see hatred towards Robby and I can't stand it seems that they don't see beyond the character and stay with the bad and if Robby superior.
@@ItsSierraSkyy Even so, it was not his intention and it was Miguel who started, he also fulfilled his punishment for the mistake he made.
@@nayArroyo His intentions have little say in what actually happened. I’m not saying Miguel is innocent in any way, all the teens make mistakes and that is the point. But realistically, Robby has made the most crucial ones so far which makes it easier to call him out. Besides, they’ve addressed Miguel’s mistakes multiple times leading up to this episode so it’s not as if they “forgot”, they’re just referring to what happened in this episode.
Nah Miguel is gonna be a killer S5 and S6
We need more Outer Bankssssss 🙌🏼❤️
yes!!
cannot wait to see y’all react to the finale !!
Haha Sam is the best if you think about it. Only one that hasn’t switched dojos. Only one that hasn’t cheated in a fight. It took her almost 4 whole seasons to instigate one fight and that was against a girl that had threatened her life a few times. Plus shes an Olympic level athlete who can jump building to building
You guys should do 2- part reaction for the finale like you guys did for s3..
At this point, Miguel is the Derek Rose of Cobra Kai lol
Sams the biggest flip flopper in the show, excessively hoing back and forth between Miguel and Robby
😂😂😂 right
Hell fuck yeah!!! My weekend is complete thanks guys!!
This season highlighted Tory and Robby, but season 5 will feature Miguel. Next season will be best one yet, I think.
Loved this episode can't wait for finale😊
10:26
Johnny was drunk, AND concussed
something that i never understood abt daniel. he is mad that sam uses eagle fang but is okay with miguel using miyagi do
Y'all seem to forget that Johnny thinks the same way. He doesn't want Miguel using Miyagi Do, but is ok with Sam using Eagle Fang.
@@audreyadams5657 i mean you may be right but we never saw a scene like that to prove and johnny doesnt like its meaning not the actual moves it self
@@ahmedouardbane4547 Then watch episode 5 again.
Because he thinks that Eagle Fang/Cobra Kai is way too aggressive and that those who use it develop an anger problem. Miyagi Do is defensive and more about inner balance and peace. I don't understand why it's hard for people to understand why Daniel is like this. The hate he gets is so annoying.
@@Stephanie-es7wv im not talking about episode 5 im talking about in episode 9 we did not see johnny get mad at miguel for circling around
Not trying to bust your guys's chops, Devon Lee isn't the class president. She's the captain of the debate team.
😂 right right. They talked about her so much I literally just started agreeing with them not to even counter point. Good call!
Don’t you ever disrespect our class president like that
Johnny should have said, " You're the one with the anger issues."
Ahahahhaha bruhhh it’s too funny that Cameron is disappointed and pissed but all u see is 🙂👹 cuz of the mask 😂😂😂
I Felt the same way after Miguel got injured and wasn't able to defend his title. Then to add to that feeling Hawk beats Robbie. I was so done after watching that episode. I had to force myself to watch episode 10. I'm glad I did because it brought back the love for the show. The ending made up for this season to be a good season.
21:37 what the guy between the bald guy and the mask doing
Ya'll better watch episode 10 because it was a good finale.
Damn right! I was thinking the same thing. Don’t quit in this show yet guys.
It wasnt
Laruso is such a hothead still after a bunch of fights
Did I come back from ghosting just to watch this episode because Hawk’s back? Yeah I did do that. Love you boys though and still supporting from a quieter spot. Life has just been insane. Now for two fun facts:
1) the tall guy that Bert faced down is the stunt double for one Thomas Ian Griffith
2) Hawk is the best character in the show no cap
Finale going to be crazy 🔥
you know it’s fucked up if divek stands up