His commitment to truth and virtue combined with his courage to be someone beyond what social conformity allows is inspiring to say the least. I don't have words.
I find it hard to accept that the person of Socrates in Plato's writings was not merely his own conception, with Socrates being a mythical figure. are there any other writings in which Socrates is mentioned save for Plato's works? Is it not possible that he wanted to put across his thoughts without being considered a heretic in his own town?
xenophon wrote about him www.amazon.co.uk/Conversations-Socrates-Classics-Xenophon/dp/014044517X plus he was teacher to Alcibiades and you would have to be pretty smart to earn that privilege.
If i were to make a mythical figure to hide behind, i would not make one that lived the same place, and in the same lifetime as everyone you wanted to hide from
pagans had loads of oral traditions, they could recite ridiculous amounts of things, poets could recite over 4000 lines of poetry, it also let to them having a much larger span of memory and a better grasp of time.
He did not give a speech as an Atheist, he said, that if he admit to the State gods ,he would have betray the 1 God that has sent him there, and give him the Love of Philosophy :)
He was talking about the god of Delphi: Apollo, in the name of whom the pythia spoke, and who was a god for all ancient greeks; Apollo is a State god too. But, yes, he was not an atheist. Sorry about my english... just start learning.
So honest he even or does God. So truthful he out truths God. I don't know about how wise he was. A wise man knows most humans are wilfully ignorant and wantingly lazy. To pretend humans want to be competent is foolish, not wise. They don't. Today, for example: we have the wealth of the world's information in the palm of our hands and what does the majority use this endless library for? Porn, Facebook, Instagram, TH-cam. I am stoking to bet less than one tenth of one percent of all humanity has one literary, news or library website attached to its home screen or an app. I'm so sure of it, I'd bet my legs on it.
Acts 15:15 Judges 4:4 two Corinth.8.6 for all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in Galatians 5:14 with this change, First Tim.1:18, of whom are Hymenaeus 2 Timothy 4:16' first defense 2 Thessalonians 3:7 The salutation of Paul with my own hand, which is a sign in every epistle, so I write. For I bear Him witness that He has a great zeal for Colossians and These Who are in Laodicea and These in Hierapolis acts 19:37 But if you have any other inquiries to make.... Well, then Agrippa said to Festus, " This men might have been set free if he had not appealed to Caesar's". And you could have asked Pinker, Chomsky, Johnathan or JP wtf is apologies...
At university, long ago, this was hailed as a very good defence. I must disagree. It is unstructured, vague and gives only reasons that are deïtist for his behavior. I find it a very weak defence. And so did the judges as he was sentenced to death, by one vote difference, I must admit.
The 70 year old Socrates is a man of supreme intelligence and wisdom. He completely turned the tables on them. The Athenian society is on trial not Socrates. He clearly proves his innocence, then proceeds to instruct them and finally provokes them just enough to execute him. The result? His name is cleared. The Athenians will have to bare the shame of executing one of the greatest minds of all time. Socrates is immortalized as a martyr of Philosophy.
If he spoke like lawyers today he would sound as ignorant as you come across. It was a different time. The judges were also corrupt and didnt want him upsetting the establishment.
I'm sorry that Socrates was unable to see that all but the most thoughtful would have lost him a few minutes in... Folks don't function by reason,but by feeling. He somehow hurt them,and even had he not,the multitude would have said he had,for the pathetic reason that they were an organized assembly,and he, an individual. Lesson for the ages: Truth among people is semblance,and they seek solace in general comfort and in the good estimation others have of them. Not much else can ever be expected. On this earth,progress is made through emotional appeals;logic is but a tool...
Paul Harris: Pretty much everyone wanted Socrates to leave prison and not kill himself. The guards themselves were telling him to go. The gates were open to him. I’m pretty sure (lol) the guy knew more than you do.
You're mistaking the jury to be some sort of modern day valley girls. They were people that (whether they liked it or not) had to listen to long winded speeches dozens of times per year. Plus, the language might sound pompous and complicated when translated into english, even more so modern day english, but in greek it's pretty easily understood.
no progress is made on the back of sentiment, it's what the weak use as a comfort blanket against the abyss, you say logic doesn't make progress but every materlistic gain came it it, and no spiritual one can with out it directed to your inner structure.
🌹 Before Christ and Mohammed, There Was Socrates 🌿 We are each very equal gods. We should love and respect ourselves with all of our heart, might, mind, and soul. And because all others are equal gods with us, we must love and respect all others like we do ourselves. There is no other doctrine or idea upon which any human should operate their conscious existence. 🌿 It is upon this alternative attitude that all laws that govern humans should be established in order to save humanity. Once we respect all others as we do ourselves, we will not allow any of us to live in poverty and inequality. 🌿 This is what Socrates knew. It was one of his main teachings by which he was accused of corrupting the youth. Socrates taught that there is no other person, nor any other life form, as important as each human person. 🌿 We refer to each person as an eternal advanced human that can not be destroyed. Each person can refer to their higherself, to the part of them that makes them human and different from all other life forms, as one's "True Self." Our True Selves (our true natures) exist in a dimension of time and space that has no beginning and no end. We exist with other human beings of the same eternal nature and standing. 🌿 When we die, or once we experience a mortal death, we will immediately be aware that the same type of social interactions we enjoy here on Earth, exist there, only they will be coupled with an eternal glory. An "eternal glory" is the "glory of any god, which is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth"-ie., the Real Truth™ that all gods know. 🌿 Each human being, each one of you, is as intelligent as any other human being. You are gods, each and every one of you, equally and separately. There is no god above or below any of you. Each of you made a choice about belonging to a GROUP of humans in which you could have new experiences and through which you could seek joy. 🌿 Youth, this world, which includes your family and friends, has been deceived and is being controlled by powers that do not know what they are doing. Some of these powers have set themselves up and convinced your family and friends that God speaks to them. 🌿 So, if you embrace this new attitude and see yourself as an individual person equal with God, but your family and friends do not, you will be mocked, scourged, cast out, and disowned by them. Your belief that you are a god will threaten their belief that you are not, and that they are not. How can they accept this? If they do, then their religious leaders are ordinary, just like them. If their religious leaders are just like them, then God can just as easily speak to them as God does to their leaders. 🌿 Their pride will not allow them to accept that they have been deceived. Everything that they "know" gives them value and places them above others. They cannot see that everything they have been taught about God is false and, even worse, that these things are actually a "great abomination and wickedness." 🌿 Recognizing that you are an equal god with everyone else, you will begin to see the power that you have to act and be acted upon. But they, believing that someone else has power over them, will not act or allow themselves to be acted upon, except when they are commanded by someone else. 🌿 The essence of your True God, your true power, comes from your ability to do what you feel is best for you--what makes you happy. There is no other way that a person's brain can properly function towards the end for which the brain exists--to serve the needs of the individual by providing joy. If your brain is being influenced or powered by an outside source, you will never reach your potential and personal power over your own life. Your brain must be dependent upon and receive power from itself (from one's "True God") in order for you to reach and maintain the energy level of equilibrium that creates a physical feeling a mortal recognizes as joy. (One day we know that science will also be able to explain this.) 🌿 When a person acts according to the power of the person's own brain, peace is felt. And when the person uses their brain to "walk peaceably with the children of men," it means that what the one is doing creates peace for the person themselves, and for the ones with whom the person desires to "walk." 🌿 There is no true joy when one tells another what to do, especially when one forces another to do something (to act or be acted upon) that one does not want to do. 🌿 It is this joythat all humans search for, in what they do, in how they act, and in how they allow themselves to be acted upon. In order to have a "peaceable walk" with others, one must be doing what one wants, and one must allow others to do what they want. This is good. But when a person forces another to act, this force takes away another's peace and is not good. 🌿 To understand the way to "peace and salvation," one need only to observe a little child. A little child is at peace when the child does what the child wants, being the child's own god. If allowed to be a little child, the flesh obeys the will of the spirit in all things. The little child knows no other god, no other power, than their own. 🌿 Human beings should be like little children-always. The difference between the state of peace in which a little child exists and the state in which mortals currently live upon Earth is in the inability of the person to exercise unconditional free will-the inability of the flesh to do the will of the brain. This creates a state of a "hell which hath no end." 🌿
even to this day, those who tell the TRUTH ARE LOATHED,liars thrive.those who speak the truth and question status quo are hated and even worse killed like Socrates. those in the sitting and listened to this defense, must have really enjoyed the wisdom. Socrates was however eager to go to Hades and discover the new. just like Paul who says " for to live is Christ, to die is gain"
As a Hellene, I've carried this speech in my heart and mind all my life bringing reason to my every deed
His commitment to truth and virtue combined with his courage to be someone beyond what social conformity allows is inspiring to say the least. I don't have words.
Diogenes did it better
Excellent recitation! Though we can never hear Socrates himself deliver the speech, this is adequate compensation.
Plato must have had a hell of a good memory.
I find it hard to accept that the person of Socrates in Plato's writings was not merely his own conception, with Socrates being a mythical figure. are there any other writings in which Socrates is mentioned save for Plato's works? Is it not possible that he wanted to put across his thoughts without being considered a heretic in his own town?
xenophon wrote about him
www.amazon.co.uk/Conversations-Socrates-Classics-Xenophon/dp/014044517X
plus he was teacher to Alcibiades and you would have to be pretty smart to earn that privilege.
If i were to make a mythical figure to hide behind, i would not make one that lived the same place, and in the same lifetime as everyone you wanted to hide from
so the apostoles...
pagans had loads of oral traditions, they could recite ridiculous amounts of things, poets could recite over 4000 lines of poetry, it also let to them having a much larger span of memory and a better grasp of time.
Parents "Why did you do this."
Me ( Gives Socrates apology) 😂
😂
That's pretty funny. "Ok ok just don't do it again..[does it again...wise parent ignores transgression]
that's one hell of a speech.
Frozen, but it is a very
Mike Aloung Fire, but very it is 😂
Just, beautiful!!!!!!!!!!! He speaketh the truth
“Judge concerning me in such a way as would be the best for me as would for you.”🌿🐇
So nice 👍
He had the guts to tell the truth with no fear death 💀
Nothing can be far from the foundation of our being than virtue and soul.I really admire Socrates.
im having a hard time processing the words. sucks to be a pleb.
I would just like to point out that the word "apology" in ancient Greece, meant "explanation" . Just sayin'.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that cleared things up for nobody. Anyone who chose to listen to this probably understand apologetics
@@darrelleffingeez then you'll understand that I couldn't care less what you think.
@@lionhartd138 then I guess I won't comment on that profile pic. I guess you aren't mething around, huh?
Cool, I didn't know that
Wow, in just one sentence Darrell was proven to not only be rude, but also wrong. That's gotta hurt lol
excellent lecture thank you.
Soul, truth, afterlife.... You know?
He did not give a speech as an Atheist, he said, that if he admit to the State gods ,he would have betray the 1 God that has sent him there, and give him the Love of Philosophy :)
He was talking about the god of Delphi: Apollo, in the name of whom the pythia spoke, and who was a god for all ancient greeks; Apollo is a State god too. But, yes, he was not an atheist. Sorry about my english... just start learning.
"When a leader speaks, that leader dies.." Cult Of Personality Living Colour
The ultimate mic drop
Since Socrates is admired in every discipline, isn't he smiling widely from above?
sounds more like wishful thinking than actuality, better to repolorize you consciousness and ask
what was not good about him and his philosophy?
No heaven?
So honest he even or does God. So truthful he out truths God. I don't know about how wise he was. A wise man knows most humans are wilfully ignorant and wantingly lazy. To pretend humans want to be competent is foolish, not wise. They don't. Today, for example: we have the wealth of the world's information in the palm of our hands and what does the majority use this endless library for? Porn, Facebook, Instagram, TH-cam. I am stoking to bet less than one tenth of one percent of all humanity has one literary, news or library website attached to its home screen or an app. I'm so sure of it, I'd bet my legs on it.
The truth hath been spoken!
Lewis Gentle this is important
Acts 15:15 Judges 4:4 two Corinth.8.6 for all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in Galatians 5:14 with this change, First Tim.1:18, of whom are Hymenaeus 2 Timothy 4:16' first defense 2 Thessalonians 3:7
The salutation of Paul with my own hand, which is a sign in every epistle, so I write. For I bear Him witness that He has a great zeal for Colossians and These Who are in Laodicea and These in Hierapolis acts 19:37
But if you have any other inquiries to make.... Well, then Agrippa said to Festus, " This men might have been set free if he had not appealed to Caesar's".
And you could have asked Pinker, Chomsky, Johnathan or JP wtf is apologies...
I see English words, but all I get is stream of consciousness Bible verse citations and scat poetry word associations lol, pls help
Regards
wow !
What an OG
I heard that more jurors sentenced him to death than found him guilty. I think I understand now. #histrionics
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Old man knew then. Prophet
Representation is good, Democracy is bad.
It’s a shame that his pursuit of higher meaning was muffled by an unjustified enforcement of mandated religious beliefs.
At university, long ago, this was hailed as a very good defence. I must disagree. It is unstructured, vague and gives only reasons that are deïtist for his behavior. I find it a very weak defence. And so did the judges as he was sentenced to death, by one vote difference, I must admit.
The 70 year old Socrates is a man of supreme intelligence and wisdom.
He completely turned the tables on them.
The Athenian society is on trial not Socrates.
He clearly proves his innocence, then proceeds to instruct them and finally provokes them just enough to execute him.
The result?
His name is cleared.
The Athenians will have to bare the shame of executing one of the greatest minds of all time.
Socrates is immortalized as a martyr of Philosophy.
If he spoke like lawyers today he would sound as ignorant as you come across. It was a different time. The judges were also corrupt and didnt want him upsetting the establishment.
It has nothing to do with defending himself even though he clearly was innocent. He just spoke the truth
399 BC
*AND THATS A GREAT PRICE!*
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I'm sorry that Socrates was unable to see that all but the most thoughtful would have lost him a few minutes in...
Folks don't function by reason,but by feeling. He somehow hurt them,and even had he not,the multitude would have said he had,for the pathetic reason that they were an organized assembly,and he,
an individual.
Lesson for the ages: Truth among people is semblance,and they seek solace in general comfort and in the good estimation others have of them.
Not much else can ever be expected. On this earth,progress is made through emotional appeals;logic is but a tool...
Paul Harris: Pretty much everyone wanted Socrates to leave prison and not kill himself. The guards themselves were telling him to go. The gates were open to him.
I’m pretty sure (lol) the guy knew more than you do.
You're mistaking the jury to be some sort of modern day valley girls. They were people that (whether they liked it or not) had to listen to long winded speeches dozens of times per year. Plus, the language might sound pompous and complicated when translated into english, even more so modern day english, but in greek it's pretty easily understood.
no progress is made on the back of sentiment, it's what the weak use as a comfort blanket against the abyss, you say logic doesn't make progress but every materlistic gain came it it, and no spiritual one can with out it directed to your inner structure.
🌹 Before Christ and Mohammed, There Was Socrates
🌿 We are each very equal gods. We should love and respect ourselves with all of our heart, might, mind, and soul. And because all others are equal gods with us, we must love and respect all others like we do ourselves. There is no other doctrine or idea upon which any human should operate their conscious existence.
🌿 It is upon this alternative attitude that all laws that govern humans should be established in order to save humanity. Once we respect all others as we do ourselves, we will not allow any of us to live in poverty and inequality.
🌿 This is what Socrates knew. It was one of his main teachings by which he was accused of corrupting the youth. Socrates taught that there is no other person, nor any other life form, as important as each human person.
🌿 We refer to each person as an eternal advanced human that can not be destroyed. Each person can refer to their higherself, to the part of them that makes them human and different from all other life forms, as one's "True Self." Our True Selves (our true natures) exist in a dimension of time and space that has no beginning and no end. We exist with other human beings of the same eternal nature and standing.
🌿 When we die, or once we experience a mortal death, we will immediately be aware that the same type of social interactions we enjoy here on Earth, exist there, only they will be coupled with an eternal glory. An "eternal glory" is the "glory of any god, which is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth"-ie., the Real Truth™ that all gods know.
🌿 Each human being, each one of you, is as intelligent as any other human being. You are gods, each and every one of you, equally and separately. There is no god above or below any of you. Each of you made a choice about belonging to a GROUP of humans in which you could have new experiences and through which you could seek joy.
🌿 Youth, this world, which includes your family and friends, has been deceived and is being controlled by powers that do not know what they are doing. Some of these powers have set themselves up and convinced your family and friends that God speaks to them.
🌿 So, if you embrace this new attitude and see yourself as an individual person equal with God, but your family and friends do not, you will be mocked, scourged, cast out, and disowned by them. Your belief that you are a god will threaten their belief that you are not, and that they are not. How can they accept this? If they do, then their religious leaders are ordinary, just like them. If their religious leaders are just like them, then God can just as easily speak to them as God does to their leaders.
🌿 Their pride will not allow them to accept that they have been deceived. Everything that they "know" gives them value and places them above others. They cannot see that everything they have been taught about God is false and, even worse, that these things are actually a "great abomination and wickedness."
🌿 Recognizing that you are an equal god with everyone else, you will begin to see the power that you have to act and be acted upon. But they, believing that someone else has power over them, will not act or allow themselves to be acted upon, except when they are commanded by someone else.
🌿 The essence of your True God, your true power, comes from your ability to do what you feel is best for you--what makes you happy. There is no other way that a person's brain can properly function towards the end for which the brain exists--to serve the needs of the individual by providing joy. If your brain is being influenced or powered by an outside source, you will never reach your potential and personal power over your own life. Your brain must be dependent upon and receive power from itself (from one's
"True God") in order for you to reach and maintain the energy level of equilibrium that creates a physical feeling a mortal recognizes as joy. (One day we know that science will also be able to explain this.)
🌿 When a person acts according to the power of the person's own brain, peace is felt. And when the person uses their brain to "walk peaceably with the children of men," it means that what the one is doing creates peace for the person themselves, and for the ones with whom the person desires to "walk."
🌿 There is no true joy when one tells another what to do, especially when one forces another to do something (to act or be acted upon) that one does not want to do.
🌿 It is this joythat all humans search for, in what they do, in how they act, and in how they allow themselves to be acted upon. In order to have a "peaceable walk" with others, one must be doing what one wants, and one must allow others to do what they want. This is good. But when a person forces another to act, this force takes away another's peace and is not good.
🌿 To understand the way to "peace and salvation," one need only to observe a little child. A little child is at peace when the child does what the child wants, being the child's own god. If allowed to be a little child, the flesh obeys the will of the spirit in all things. The little child knows no other god, no other power, than their own.
🌿 Human beings should be like little children-always. The difference between the state of peace in which a little child exists and the state in which mortals currently live upon Earth is in the inability of the person to exercise unconditional free will-the inability of the flesh to do the will of the brain. This creates a state of a "hell which hath no end."
🌿
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even to this day, those who tell the TRUTH ARE LOATHED,liars thrive.those who speak the truth and question status quo are hated and even worse killed like Socrates. those in the sitting and listened to this defense, must have really enjoyed the wisdom. Socrates was however eager to go to Hades and discover the new. just like Paul who says " for to live is Christ, to die is gain"
Lol