Yeah but that's normally after working on projects for a while; you don't start drawing something and then immedaitely feel too lazy to even pick colors
Fun fact: people would be sat in a room with nothing to do but a little taser button to press for like an hour or so, and they would get so bored that they’d rather tase themself than doing nothing
I'd put myself to sleep if I was bored. I actually did that this summer. Because I didn't want to disturb dad but was so lazy I forced myself to nap to pass time.
No it's not, stop diagnosing people with depression. It's called "I don't feel like doing it at this time even though I want to." It's normal and it has nothing to do with depression.
@@Nekoszowa Everyone has days like that, yes, but the way the character describes their lack of motivation in the beginning of the video makes it sound like an excessive, long-term and ongoing issue, which is characteristic of depression. Anyone who feels that way may need to seek actual help and not just chalk it up to laziness. May not be depression, but it very well could be, so someone feeling a similar prolonged disinterest in activities they normally enjoy should be encouraged to consult with a professional.
@@Nekoszowayes it can be. there's a difference between diagnosing someone with depression and just saying that it sounds similar to it. Theres also a big fucking difference between "i don't feel like doing it at this time even though i want to" and "I want to do this and have been trying to do it for hours but i just can't". This can be normal, but it can absolutely be depression. Just say you have never experienced depression and go, for us with depression, adhd or something else, it sounds very relatable and it's not "normal" but bad mental health. Stop invalidating people with very valid and real experiences.
If Joinen did a Santa cosplay for at mall for the kids he would be the most convincing person for the job. I don't know why I always get that thought but I just feel like he is a very Santa-esk guy. I mean that in a nice way.
Because writing in your head is different then putting it down on paper. You're mind tends to over hype itself over the little things then when it come to finally putting it down on paper it can feel less exciting.
@@suitdoggy4707 I think you're misunderstanding my comment, what I was saying is that whenever she had to stay in the room alone she should have just written another story in her head to pass the time. I wasn't asking why she was unable to write the story down on paper.
If this experiment is real and ongoing I would love to take part. They can watch me cycle between crying hysterically, staring blankly at a spot on the wall, lying awake with my eyes shut, and sleeping! As an added bonus I'll continue to do those things whenever they send someone in! It'll be fabulous
4 minutes in: "Hey that whole being too 'lazy' to finish a drawing sounds a lot less like laziness and more like either some pretty hardcore ADHD, depression hitting you hard, or just being incredibly burned out." 9 minutes and 45 seconds in: "Oh no. Joinen has no idea about how boredom can be incredibly hard to deal with, especially if you're the type of person the main character seems to be." 13 minutes in: "... This is the most realistic one I've ever watched. This is actually plausible." 17:10: "As an artist, I get the 'oh no I'm watching someone else draw and now *I* want to draw!' urge, like, a lot, but also? Watching someone draw would SO make things easier for me in that situation." 23:56: I proceed to lose my shit as Joinen says that the story, probably one of the only animated stories I've seen so have an actual narrative structure, was odd. Okay but, now that I've finished: I think this is literally the most coherent narrative I've seen in an animated story. It's also the most believable *until* the 'now I have work ethic!'. Mind you, I speak as a neurodivergent, mentally ill, disabled adult who has had all three traits at various levels since a young age, but I had a lot of the same 'symptoms' growing up. I have yet to meet a person who is actually *lazy* - yes, such people exist, but they're not *common*. I *HAVE* met a lot of people who have issues with motivation or executive function - usually from mental illness, neurodivergence, disability, or some mix of the three. (Note: we tend to run in packs, so my data is heavily skewed.) Typical people do not have the issue of 'wow I just cannot be assed to continue doing this thing I enjoy', even lazy people. This is a sign of being atypical in a way that impedes your functions. These functions don't just... Get Better because you had a revelation about the fact that you aren't working nearly as hard as the people around you. GOD I wish they did, but they don't. These things affect you on a pretty serious level! They are often debilitating, and unless you get *help* for these things, they can become even *more* debilitating. This reads a lot to me like a story of someone who has someone in their family with these atypical issues, who rather than seeing it for the real issue it is, sees it as an issue of 'applying themself' and has decided to write this ~Inspirational tale~ in hopes of motivating them, and others said writer believes to be lazy. This feels like it was written with good intent, but complete ignorance on such things. (And yes, I am aware some lazy people do exist. Statistically, someone like the person in the above story could exist, simply not valuing the work of people around her, and seeing no value in her own work. However, in my experience, it's way less likely than someone who is having real issues that has no idea it's a real issue because everyone is calling them lazy instead of realising 'hey staring at the wall doing nothing for several hours is... not.... lazy.') ... Anyway. Sorry for the rant. I just... I feel very strongly about this. Myself and a LOT of my friends were told we were lazy, that we weren't applying ourselves, and we didn't learn until we were adults that, no, we just had a whole bunch of neurological weirdness, mental health issues, and undiagnosed disabilities that meant that all that time we spent willing ourselves to work but never succeeding wasn't laziness. That all the abuse we got was needless, that it wouldn't have changed anything in our behaviour one way or another, because what we needed was a specialist in our specific issues. Some of us destroyed our minds and bodies trying to function like normal people, myself included, and now we're unable to fix those issues without a severe uphill battle, all because people decided the problem was something we could control. We just needed help.
This is an old comment but it helps a lot right now. I'm autistic and looking into getting tested for adhd because it's so hard to do things that I enjoy, but I'm afraid if I take medication or treatment then I've given up. Or somehow I'd be "proving" that I am lazy and can't do things on my own by accepting that I might need treatment. It feels like the world told me all my life that I'm a weak person.
@@SHREWpwafel You are not a weak person. And on the topic of taking medication being somehow 'giving up'... Would you think that a man who had lost a leg was giving up for using a wheelchair instead of hopping around on one leg? Would you think a woman who wanted kids all her life, who had a hysterectomy or never even had a womb to begin with, would be giving up by adopting a child? What about a child who uses an epi-pen and goes to a hospital for treatment instead of suffering through a severe allergic reaction? I don't think you would. You need to apply that same logic to yourself. I know it can be so very hard - believe me, I thought that way about my depression for a long time, and GOD my life is so much better now that it's being treated! But you need to remember: Tools exist to be used, and medication is as much a tool as a wheelchair, or an adoption agency intake form, or an epi-pen or an ambulance. These things exist to be used, to make life easier. And using them does not make you lesser. Something that changed my life was a combination of two phrases. The first? "Who does your suffering serve?" and "There is no valour in suffering needlessly." Who does your suffering through this without aid serve? Does it make your life better? Does it improve the lives of those around you? Does your suffering now mean you or someone else benefits later in a meaningful way, even should your suffering not end in that time? And there is no valor in suffering needlessly. I used to refuse to take pain medications, even simple tylenol, even though my pain was literally physically debilitating. I, like many others, had been taught that suffering through something was something you *should* do, that it built character or something, that you would be better for it... But that's just not the case with medical stuff - and isn't the case in *many* other things either. Has your suffering brought you some great insight into the world? Has your existence through suffering been lauded by the people around you? Does your suffering bring you an advantage? I doubt that it does. And if certainly does not bring you nearly the advantage that mitigating that suffering would. Now I take my excedrin, and the imitrex I was prescribed. Instead of suffering in a dark, quiet room all alone for hours and hours, I am capable of enriching my life and the lives of those around me once the migraine is gone. So, stranger, please. Do not be afraid to try medications if your doctor offers them. And if the first one doesn't work, don't give up. Sometimes finding the right mix is a process. If at some point you think you don't need them any more, you can talk about tapering off of them with your doctor and seeing how you feel. Don't let the world tell you your suffering is valiant, not when there is no need, and no benefit. Please, take care. And I wish you the best on your journey.
@shannonreed822 This is really helpful right now. I'm panicking realizing how debilitatingly forgetful I am in life and that it's always been this exhausting to go through basic tasks. Life is just exhausted and I've spent my life hating myself believing it was laziness. Why suffer just to prove to myself that I can live without therapy and meds? I already know I can because I've been doing that so far, why would I want to keep doing that? This is what I needed to hear. Thank you. I'm not even panicked anymore typing this. I hope life is going well for you, seeing that you're the kind of person to take time to offer words of encouragement.
@@SHREWpwafel I am deeply, deeply glad to hear this helped. I had a similar outlook years and years ago, as I'd mentioned, so helping people see things from another perspective is something I try to do whenever I can. Things are going well enough on my end! My ADHD is being treated, and I'm learning two languages, and keepin' on keepin' on even with my disabilities.
Reading this comment makes me realise that I can in fact have a problem. I used to always tell myself that I'm just lazy and generally a bad daughter, because I'm disappointing my mother with being so lazy. A few years back I started to notice signs that I might be neurodivergent in some way, I talked to my mother about that and was told I'm a normal healthy kid, I'm not sick bla bla bla, mind you, all that while even I noticed that something was wrong. Even if I'm not neurodivergent I would really like to take the test or talk to specialist, because that way I'll at least know that I really am just lazy Since I'm a minor and don't have money, unfortunately it won't happen in the near future ;_/ Thank you for your comment, it makes me feel like I'm not alone
3:23 that’s actually called art block, it’s when you don’t have the motivation of drawing even tho you really want to draw or while you are working on a piece sometimes your hand will just: "NOPE! I ain’t drawing anymore!". It can happen for short(if you’re lucky) or long period of time. The definition can differ from artist to artist, but that’s my take on it. I think that’s what she meant by "too lazy to draw a line or pick a color"
(IT'S ONLY MY EXPERIENCE, IF YOU HAVE IT DIFFERENTLY, GOOD, I'M TALKING ONLY ABOUT MYSELF) Doing nothing is a real chore and I mean it, understimulation is literally the worst thing. I have ADHD, so I would start crawling on the walls after few hours of this hell. Probably would sing several songs, bang with my head at stuff, maybe even hit myself if enough time would pass. People have no idea, how painful being understimulated it, you literally want to hurt yourself just to feel something. I pass my time in the Internet, because I need a constant stream of stimulation and this little cursed box is literally it. You scroll, you find informations, always new updates, always new stuff until you're sick of it and trying to do work, but you can't, because it's not stimulating enough. Nothing is stimulating enough. It's like an itch that you cannot scratch. Fortunately, my meds work for me, so I can focus and feel peace when I take them. I can finally lay down and rest from this awful experience. But meds don't work for everyone. I'm really lucky that they do for me. But God forbid I would try to procrastinate on meds, because then my focus shifts and it's hard to come back to work again... But at least I have few hours when I can actually work.
I have ADHD to but because of past trauma, I seemingly don’t get bored when doing absolutely nothing. Doing only a little bit does make me bored but absolutely nothing is fine, I can and have gone on for days at a time willingly before. I just make shapes out of the wall in my mind, figdet with imagination. [ I’m also just sharing my experience on this ]
Ngl the issues described in the beginning sound IMMENSELY like my struggles to be productive or work on things when I'm understimulated OR overstimulated. ALSO reminds me of fighting like mad to do homework and stuff as a kid. Even on subjects that came easy, I'd be stuck sitting for HOURS just trying to do like a page when at school I'd have finished it in 10 minutes Come to find out (as an adult) it was undiagnosed and unmanaged ADHD.
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After being sent home because lets just say there was a school emergency….im glad i had this to come home to. Thank you Joinen for just doing your job ❤️
Drawing is tiring even if you like doing it... I've got a lot of not finished stuff in a folder just because half way through them I lost interest in finishing. Or when I'm making something I don't go to sleep just to finish it because I know the next day I won't feel like opening the file again, and at that point I will never open the file.
They gave her migraine meds, and that’s when I realized I’ve been getting migraines because I’m doing nothing! Tbh though taking walks actually does help with migraines.
I was once left completely alone for a week straight before i knew how to cook anything. I didnt have anything to do other than read but i didnt like to read so i just slept hung out with my lizard and that's it lol.
Seems like a story written by the estranged parent of a depressed kid they always thought was lazy and useless, tormented them about it their whole childhood and teenage years to the point of the kid moving out and never talking to them again, and now that they’re bitter about it they write a little fantasy where their supposedly healthy yet lazy ass kid never left them.
When people think of doing nothing, I feel like it's more of doing nothing _productive_ , Such as just watching youtubes video's are looking at memes, or even just drawing all day. Not literally doing nothing.
that's sort of what i was thinking; i've had major depression since about 13/14 (i'm 21 now), and during a depressive episode i could literally sit and do nothing for weeks at a time.
and/or ADHD; these things are also common ADHD symptoms (as an ADHDer myself). We struggle with executive functioning, are more prone to developing depression; we can commonly be told that we aren't "reach our full potential" or that we're talented, but don't "do enough." Everything this girl spoke about in this story about her experiences, from the things her parents were saying to her, to how she would hyperfixate on so many different things, but be unable to focus on one thing long enough to 'finish' or have the motivation to do them really resonates with me as an ADHDer. It's not laziness this girl is struggling with. It's a lack of executive functioning and motivation to do things and it doesn't have a simple fix like the video presents. You can't just suddenly decide you're not 'lazy' anymore just like that. I'm tired of society acting like laziness is a choice, as if we're simply Choosing to not do things.
@@ethan_the_alien i relate to this fictional character on almost every point it's not even funny but I dont have anything diagnosed :(. (Warning: Wall of text where i go on and on about my personal issues) The way the parents talk about being gifted in the past but now saying im lazy, knowing I should help but physically seem incapable of moving my ass unless i have a sudden surge of motivation often fueled by threats of consequences (been like that since childhood with chores where they'd take away my games). Sometimes I get the idea randomly to do something when my parents aren't there and actually do it because i have noone watching me. When I have free time i feel like im rarely productive and feel bad cuz i have all these projects in my head and stuff id need to take care of but idk where to start so i just end up playing video games to be entertained by SOMETHING, but then I spend an hour deciding what i should play by weighting the pros and cons of each game i usually play.. wasting even more time. Then midnight comes and suddenly i wanna do stuff but now it's too late so i take 1 more hour to finally go to bed only to oversleep the day after unless i have work or uni. Then I'm tired untill the afternoon. Oh and ill stay in bed for like 10-11hrs just because i dont have the energy to get up ://. I tried taking more walks outside with my dog recently and it seems to give me a bit of energy cuz i actually did something "adult". But I don't like going outside without anyone else cuz I have this fear of every stranger wanting to do not very nice things to me (im 22 but short woman so I look 15 and I FEEL LIKE A KID). SO YEAH I end up wasting so much time and feeling terrible about it but idk how to stop being unmotivated. Sorry for the wall of random info I just needed to express it I guess...
@@duntemdraws310 It sounds like you have a lot of early childhood trauma, you described a lot of experiences similar to people with ADHD. Perhaps looking into it? Self-diagnosis is valid, btw! I am autistic and ADHD and also went through stuff similar to yours.
(Cw child mortality) I just read a book about a guy mutated to a job where he has nothing to do, and he gets so depressed he ends up forgetting his 1 year old child to die in his car... be careful guys.... 😰😰😰
This is just undiagnosed ADHD and depression. I actually find myself relating to a lot of things this character goes through. Especially with trying to improve my drawing skills and also making the comics I dream of making someday. Literally have EVERYTHING planned out in my head, but can’t seem to get myself to actually write and make storyboards. It makes me sad that this is always chalked up to laziness when it’s way more difficult and complicated than that
That’s a deeply unethical program if real. The large sum of money and the rules to not do anything to earn it while basically torturing her with her interests- gross. People in solitary confinement literally go insane. There’s no way this girl would have walked away without mental problems.
Honestly I kinda feel this. I have vision issues and before I was able to get help for it I could only lay down with my eyes closed. I did this for a month because I just couldn't sit up or open my eyes without feeling sick. Doing nothing really messes with you
Some other comments confirm what I thought: ADHD with Gifted Child syndrome, and some depression sprinkled in, too. Also, I counted more than just 48 books (68, 78, or 79 depending on the shot).
Ngl , its shocking to see everyone (including me) agree on the fact she probably had depression,ADHD and/or gifted child syndrome as I really relate to this girl and what every body else is saying (I hope that makes sense)
I was listening to this while I was in the kitchen (couldn't see) I was making a soda and as I was sipping it, joinen says "looks like you're doing something you're sipping soda" and I like snorted/coughed and went to the phone and he was just talking about the thumbnail but for a second there 👀
I am soooo annoyed by how she talks about her being 'lazy', when I recognize all of this as side effects of mental illness or being neurodivergent. And if that's it, then 7 days of absolute nothingness isn't going to cure you.
I imagine being locked away in a room affects everyone differently, but I spent the majority of my childhood that way and eventually you do reach a point where doing anything is rewarding. You start to become a heavy daydreamer and appreciate dreaming when you sleep. Your mind becomes your own TV show essentially. You even learn to listen to everything and catalog sounds and the things people say. If and when you do start to see things you are relieved you have something more to do than just lie there. I was punished with being able to do absolutely nothing and this chick was allowed to do a whole lot more than I was and was getting paid to do it. She had like zero mental discipline and honestly military school would have given her the same effect. The effect that one single week of psychological torture has on her would not last long though. She would revert back within a month. I mean, her parents are responsible for her behavior because they didn’t punish her for anything. Paid to be grounded, ha! I wish. 😂
This was written by the PARENT of a gifted child.
"Capable but lazy" is literally a saying where I'm from...
The ableist parent of a child with ADHD
100 percent
@@BAKAROID fr fr, idk if I can watch this without getting frustrated 🧍♂️(I have adhd and it's 3 am)
@@BAKAROID Or Depression or both.
To be fair: drawing and painting can very much be exhausting, even if you are passionate about it. ESPECIALLY if you are passionate about it.
Yeaaah...Weird that an animated story channel doesn't seem to understand that arts takes effort...
Yeah but that's normally after working on projects for a while; you don't start drawing something and then immedaitely feel too lazy to even pick colors
Or if you have Major Depression, which you probably have if you are an artist.
Jokes on you, I'm so tired that I circle back to wide awake at 4 am where I draw some real weird stuff
@@cinnamonpumpkin7655 yeah, lets just trace and use trendy anime's to get the hip kids bop gen z kids
This sounds like a severe depression more than laziness to me.
Hahahahah silly Marina I experience this all the time and am perfectly happy. If I wasnt happy, would I smile like this?😀such happiness🧍🏾♀️
Or ADHD and the executive dysfunction associated with it
@@lizardfishbird or both
I have both
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@@eldritchomen same 😔
Fun fact: people would be sat in a room with nothing to do but a little taser button to press for like an hour or so, and they would get so bored that they’d rather tase themself than doing nothing
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I'd put myself to sleep if I was bored. I actually did that this summer. Because I didn't want to disturb dad but was so lazy I forced myself to nap to pass time.
I saw that on vsauce once
I think I saw a post about that experiment on tumblr (said tumblr post was posted to Reddit)
I also get paid for doing nothing and my boss doesn’t know yet
@Andy_The_Screwed don’t you dare tell him
I'm just gonna call someone
@@Undefinedde who
@@ToastedBreadWithHoney hehe im not telling
can i have your boss' number? It's for a friend.
this is basically depression, really wanting to do something, but not being able to do so.
No it's not, stop diagnosing people with depression.
It's called "I don't feel like doing it at this time even though I want to."
It's normal and it has nothing to do with depression.
@@Nekoszowa dude I literally have depression and am just sharing how this video relates to depression. TF
@@Nekoszowa Everyone has days like that, yes, but the way the character describes their lack of motivation in the beginning of the video makes it sound like an excessive, long-term and ongoing issue, which is characteristic of depression. Anyone who feels that way may need to seek actual help and not just chalk it up to laziness. May not be depression, but it very well could be, so someone feeling a similar prolonged disinterest in activities they normally enjoy should be encouraged to consult with a professional.
@@Nekoszowayes it can be. there's a difference between diagnosing someone with depression and just saying that it sounds similar to it. Theres also a big fucking difference between "i don't feel like doing it at this time even though i want to" and "I want to do this and have been trying to do it for hours but i just can't". This can be normal, but it can absolutely be depression. Just say you have never experienced depression and go, for us with depression, adhd or something else, it sounds very relatable and it's not "normal" but bad mental health. Stop invalidating people with very valid and real experiences.
I have it too and i can relate alot to this the main character is literally me in the begining
this literally just sounds like my ADHD when I hyper-fixate/ get under-stimulated, like why have they put it like its so lazy???
Ableism
It hits too close to home for me as well, with generalized anxiety.
Because we live in a capitalist society and anything that isn’t actively productive and profitable is considered lazy and worthless
Well, I suppose because it *could* be laziness too. The issue then is finding out which it is
If Joinen did a Santa cosplay for at mall for the kids he would be the most convincing person for the job. I don't know why I always get that thought but I just feel like he is a very Santa-esk guy. I mean that in a nice way.
The girl said that she wrote a whole story in her head... why doesn't she just write another one to pass the time?
Because later you just want to write those in notebook but you don't know how to put it on paper.
@@Nekoszowa that's when you get the alcohol /j
I had the same thought. I write stories in my head ALL THE TIME and never feel the need to write them down. She really should have done that
Because writing in your head is different then putting it down on paper. You're mind tends to over hype itself over the little things then when it come to finally putting it down on paper it can feel less exciting.
@@suitdoggy4707 I think you're misunderstanding my comment, what I was saying is that whenever she had to stay in the room alone she should have just written another story in her head to pass the time. I wasn't asking why she was unable to write the story down on paper.
If this experiment is real and ongoing I would love to take part. They can watch me cycle between crying hysterically, staring blankly at a spot on the wall, lying awake with my eyes shut, and sleeping! As an added bonus I'll continue to do those things whenever they send someone in! It'll be fabulous
4 minutes in: "Hey that whole being too 'lazy' to finish a drawing sounds a lot less like laziness and more like either some pretty hardcore ADHD, depression hitting you hard, or just being incredibly burned out."
9 minutes and 45 seconds in: "Oh no. Joinen has no idea about how boredom can be incredibly hard to deal with, especially if you're the type of person the main character seems to be."
13 minutes in: "... This is the most realistic one I've ever watched. This is actually plausible."
17:10: "As an artist, I get the 'oh no I'm watching someone else draw and now *I* want to draw!' urge, like, a lot, but also? Watching someone draw would SO make things easier for me in that situation."
23:56: I proceed to lose my shit as Joinen says that the story, probably one of the only animated stories I've seen so have an actual narrative structure, was odd.
Okay but, now that I've finished: I think this is literally the most coherent narrative I've seen in an animated story. It's also the most believable *until* the 'now I have work ethic!'. Mind you, I speak as a neurodivergent, mentally ill, disabled adult who has had all three traits at various levels since a young age, but I had a lot of the same 'symptoms' growing up. I have yet to meet a person who is actually *lazy* - yes, such people exist, but they're not *common*. I *HAVE* met a lot of people who have issues with motivation or executive function - usually from mental illness, neurodivergence, disability, or some mix of the three. (Note: we tend to run in packs, so my data is heavily skewed.) Typical people do not have the issue of 'wow I just cannot be assed to continue doing this thing I enjoy', even lazy people. This is a sign of being atypical in a way that impedes your functions.
These functions don't just... Get Better because you had a revelation about the fact that you aren't working nearly as hard as the people around you. GOD I wish they did, but they don't. These things affect you on a pretty serious level! They are often debilitating, and unless you get *help* for these things, they can become even *more* debilitating.
This reads a lot to me like a story of someone who has someone in their family with these atypical issues, who rather than seeing it for the real issue it is, sees it as an issue of 'applying themself' and has decided to write this ~Inspirational tale~ in hopes of motivating them, and others said writer believes to be lazy. This feels like it was written with good intent, but complete ignorance on such things.
(And yes, I am aware some lazy people do exist. Statistically, someone like the person in the above story could exist, simply not valuing the work of people around her, and seeing no value in her own work. However, in my experience, it's way less likely than someone who is having real issues that has no idea it's a real issue because everyone is calling them lazy instead of realising 'hey staring at the wall doing nothing for several hours is... not.... lazy.')
... Anyway. Sorry for the rant. I just... I feel very strongly about this. Myself and a LOT of my friends were told we were lazy, that we weren't applying ourselves, and we didn't learn until we were adults that, no, we just had a whole bunch of neurological weirdness, mental health issues, and undiagnosed disabilities that meant that all that time we spent willing ourselves to work but never succeeding wasn't laziness. That all the abuse we got was needless, that it wouldn't have changed anything in our behaviour one way or another, because what we needed was a specialist in our specific issues. Some of us destroyed our minds and bodies trying to function like normal people, myself included, and now we're unable to fix those issues without a severe uphill battle, all because people decided the problem was something we could control. We just needed help.
This is an old comment but it helps a lot right now. I'm autistic and looking into getting tested for adhd because it's so hard to do things that I enjoy, but I'm afraid if I take medication or treatment then I've given up. Or somehow I'd be "proving" that I am lazy and can't do things on my own by accepting that I might need treatment. It feels like the world told me all my life that I'm a weak person.
@@SHREWpwafel You are not a weak person. And on the topic of taking medication being somehow 'giving up'...
Would you think that a man who had lost a leg was giving up for using a wheelchair instead of hopping around on one leg? Would you think a woman who wanted kids all her life, who had a hysterectomy or never even had a womb to begin with, would be giving up by adopting a child? What about a child who uses an epi-pen and goes to a hospital for treatment instead of suffering through a severe allergic reaction?
I don't think you would. You need to apply that same logic to yourself. I know it can be so very hard - believe me, I thought that way about my depression for a long time, and GOD my life is so much better now that it's being treated! But you need to remember: Tools exist to be used, and medication is as much a tool as a wheelchair, or an adoption agency intake form, or an epi-pen or an ambulance. These things exist to be used, to make life easier. And using them does not make you lesser.
Something that changed my life was a combination of two phrases. The first? "Who does your suffering serve?" and "There is no valour in suffering needlessly."
Who does your suffering through this without aid serve? Does it make your life better? Does it improve the lives of those around you? Does your suffering now mean you or someone else benefits later in a meaningful way, even should your suffering not end in that time?
And there is no valor in suffering needlessly. I used to refuse to take pain medications, even simple tylenol, even though my pain was literally physically debilitating. I, like many others, had been taught that suffering through something was something you *should* do, that it built character or something, that you would be better for it... But that's just not the case with medical stuff - and isn't the case in *many* other things either.
Has your suffering brought you some great insight into the world? Has your existence through suffering been lauded by the people around you? Does your suffering bring you an advantage? I doubt that it does. And if certainly does not bring you nearly the advantage that mitigating that suffering would.
Now I take my excedrin, and the imitrex I was prescribed. Instead of suffering in a dark, quiet room all alone for hours and hours, I am capable of enriching my life and the lives of those around me once the migraine is gone.
So, stranger, please. Do not be afraid to try medications if your doctor offers them. And if the first one doesn't work, don't give up. Sometimes finding the right mix is a process. If at some point you think you don't need them any more, you can talk about tapering off of them with your doctor and seeing how you feel.
Don't let the world tell you your suffering is valiant, not when there is no need, and no benefit.
Please, take care. And I wish you the best on your journey.
@shannonreed822 This is really helpful right now. I'm panicking realizing how debilitatingly forgetful I am in life and that it's always been this exhausting to go through basic tasks. Life is just exhausted and I've spent my life hating myself believing it was laziness. Why suffer just to prove to myself that I can live without therapy and meds? I already know I can because I've been doing that so far, why would I want to keep doing that? This is what I needed to hear. Thank you. I'm not even panicked anymore typing this. I hope life is going well for you, seeing that you're the kind of person to take time to offer words of encouragement.
@@SHREWpwafel I am deeply, deeply glad to hear this helped. I had a similar outlook years and years ago, as I'd mentioned, so helping people see things from another perspective is something I try to do whenever I can.
Things are going well enough on my end! My ADHD is being treated, and I'm learning two languages, and keepin' on keepin' on even with my disabilities.
Reading this comment makes me realise that I can in fact have a problem. I used to always tell myself that I'm just lazy and generally a bad daughter, because I'm disappointing my mother with being so lazy. A few years back I started to notice signs that I might be neurodivergent in some way, I talked to my mother about that and was told I'm a normal healthy kid, I'm not sick bla bla bla, mind you, all that while even I noticed that something was wrong. Even if I'm not neurodivergent I would really like to take the test or talk to specialist, because that way I'll at least know that I really am just lazy Since I'm a minor and don't have money, unfortunately it won't happen in the near future ;_/
Thank you for your comment, it makes me feel like I'm not alone
3:23 that’s actually called art block, it’s when you don’t have the motivation of drawing even tho you really want to draw or while you are working on a piece sometimes your hand will just: "NOPE! I ain’t drawing anymore!". It can happen for short(if you’re lucky) or long period of time.
The definition can differ from artist to artist, but that’s my take on it.
I think that’s what she meant by "too lazy to draw a line or pick a color"
No no no, you see, there are no artists that write the scripts, olny a random fiver writer who got payed 10$ to write a sharty video script
@@eckoreckofantasy i was more talking about the drawing part, but writing stories wise it does happens to some writers not to everyone is the same tho
@@sapphirelight3586 Yeah, sadly these channels dont put a drop of effort becauae theyre dying content farms
This is basically a dnd character who's player doesn't pay attention at all
(IT'S ONLY MY EXPERIENCE, IF YOU HAVE IT DIFFERENTLY, GOOD, I'M TALKING ONLY ABOUT MYSELF)
Doing nothing is a real chore and I mean it, understimulation is literally the worst thing. I have ADHD, so I would start crawling on the walls after few hours of this hell. Probably would sing several songs, bang with my head at stuff, maybe even hit myself if enough time would pass. People have no idea, how painful being understimulated it, you literally want to hurt yourself just to feel something. I pass my time in the Internet, because I need a constant stream of stimulation and this little cursed box is literally it. You scroll, you find informations, always new updates, always new stuff until you're sick of it and trying to do work, but you can't, because it's not stimulating enough. Nothing is stimulating enough. It's like an itch that you cannot scratch. Fortunately, my meds work for me, so I can focus and feel peace when I take them. I can finally lay down and rest from this awful experience. But meds don't work for everyone. I'm really lucky that they do for me. But God forbid I would try to procrastinate on meds, because then my focus shifts and it's hard to come back to work again... But at least I have few hours when I can actually work.
I have ADHD to but because of past trauma, I seemingly don’t get bored when doing absolutely nothing. Doing only a little bit does make me bored but absolutely nothing is fine, I can and have gone on for days at a time willingly before. I just make shapes out of the wall in my mind, figdet with imagination. [ I’m also just sharing my experience on this ]
Those people on tik tok who say they want ADHD : 🤡🤡🤡🤡
ADHD pal over here! And I will only say one thing *~Everything is a fidget toy if you are brave enough~* :]
15:39 the game was made by a Polish company, CD Project Red, which is why it's written in Polish. The translation is Wild hunt.
Ngl the issues described in the beginning sound IMMENSELY like my struggles to be productive or work on things when I'm understimulated OR overstimulated.
ALSO reminds me of fighting like mad to do homework and stuff as a kid. Even on subjects that came easy, I'd be stuck sitting for HOURS just trying to do like a page when at school I'd have finished it in 10 minutes
Come to find out (as an adult) it was undiagnosed and unmanaged ADHD.
I go on such absurd tangents upon tangents in my brain that I would probably just lay on the floor and talk to myself for hours
Suffering from extreme adhd? Can't finish projects you're even passionate about? Be forced into pure isolation and psychological torture and we can fix all of your problems!!! Call today!
If I could time it with a depression slump, maybe I won't feel as guilty losing track of days just curled up in bed lol
If Joinen stayed quite for 30 seconds he would have literally made money for doing nothing
Im very lazy and dont have a lot of talents but if i go by what theyre saying, i have so many talents and could learn every language
This was the quietest Joinen intro. Lol love it. Once again, Joinen delivers gold.
After being sent home because lets just say there was a school emergency….im glad i had this to come home to. Thank you Joinen for just doing your job ❤️
Hope you're doing alright
Drawing is tiring even if you like doing it... I've got a lot of not finished stuff in a folder just because half way through them I lost interest in finishing. Or when I'm making something I don't go to sleep just to finish it because I know the next day I won't feel like opening the file again, and at that point I will never open the file.
They gave her migraine meds, and that’s when I realized I’ve been getting migraines because I’m doing nothing! Tbh though taking walks actually does help with migraines.
this never happened, it's a torture experiment therefore even signing away your basic human right is illegal. unless she lives in Iran or something.
23:03 Yeah, Laziness Leads To Nothing, Why Do You Think I Hate Myself So Much? Pretty Obvious Takeaway Not Gonna Lie.
the sniperwolf thumbnail is hilarious 😂😂
"I get paid to do absolutely nothing"
Ah, so an american politician?
Also Polish politicians
probably almost every poltician
mexican politician are paid to survive
The start of the story sounds so much like ADHD. It's a little bit upsetting how they call it "lazyness".
I know right
I think not
Captain Levi appearing was the most unexpected and funniest moment in the video.
"we do film these alive" 23:59
Seems like how I felt before starting my antidepressants, now the only issue is me hyperfixating on something then completely giving up
Same
I remember being there when recording was that the one with the silly “joinen has followed you back” one?
Pretty sure that would be illegal in real life. I think most places have laws against experiments that involve that level of mental torture
I was once left completely alone for a week straight before i knew how to cook anything. I didnt have anything to do other than read but i didnt like to read so i just slept hung out with my lizard and that's it lol.
Cheese burger
Bees churger
Beesechurger
@@Undefinedde exactly
People with depression would be able to absolutely nail this 😭
thank GOODNESS you said no moi..For a second there I thought u weren't....
Oh, this would be hell for me. I watch TH-cam constantly for a reason.
Just wait until they hear about depression.
i thought i was clicking on a sniperwolf video, you really got me there
Me too
I actually thought this was a sniperwolf video for a sec
Seems like a story written by the estranged parent of a depressed kid they always thought was lazy and useless, tormented them about it their whole childhood and teenage years to the point of the kid moving out and never talking to them again, and now that they’re bitter about it they write a little fantasy where their supposedly healthy yet lazy ass kid never left them.
When people think of doing nothing, I feel like it's more of doing nothing _productive_ , Such as just watching youtubes video's are looking at memes, or even just drawing all day. Not literally doing nothing.
Oh god, that's gonna be ableist, isn't it?
I would just sleep most of the day, I feel like it would be worth it for $7,000
If you relate to this character you might have depression. Lack of motivation to go through with things is a classic sign.
that's sort of what i was thinking; i've had major depression since about 13/14 (i'm 21 now), and during a depressive episode i could literally sit and do nothing for weeks at a time.
and/or ADHD; these things are also common ADHD symptoms (as an ADHDer myself).
We struggle with executive functioning, are more prone to developing depression; we can commonly be told that we aren't "reach our full potential" or that we're talented, but don't "do enough." Everything this girl spoke about in this story about her experiences, from the things her parents were saying to her, to how she would hyperfixate on so many different things, but be unable to focus on one thing long enough to 'finish' or have the motivation to do them really resonates with me as an ADHDer.
It's not laziness this girl is struggling with. It's a lack of executive functioning and motivation to do things and it doesn't have a simple fix like the video presents. You can't just suddenly decide you're not 'lazy' anymore just like that. I'm tired of society acting like laziness is a choice, as if we're simply Choosing to not do things.
@@ethan_the_alien i relate to this fictional character on almost every point it's not even funny but I dont have anything diagnosed :(. (Warning: Wall of text where i go on and on about my personal issues) The way the parents talk about being gifted in the past but now saying im lazy, knowing I should help but physically seem incapable of moving my ass unless i have a sudden surge of motivation often fueled by threats of consequences (been like that since childhood with chores where they'd take away my games). Sometimes I get the idea randomly to do something when my parents aren't there and actually do it because i have noone watching me. When I have free time i feel like im rarely productive and feel bad cuz i have all these projects in my head and stuff id need to take care of but idk where to start so i just end up playing video games to be entertained by SOMETHING, but then I spend an hour deciding what i should play by weighting the pros and cons of each game i usually play.. wasting even more time. Then midnight comes and suddenly i wanna do stuff but now it's too late so i take 1 more hour to finally go to bed only to oversleep the day after unless i have work or uni. Then I'm tired untill the afternoon. Oh and ill stay in bed for like 10-11hrs just because i dont have the energy to get up ://. I tried taking more walks outside with my dog recently and it seems to give me a bit of energy cuz i actually did something "adult". But I don't like going outside without anyone else cuz I have this fear of every stranger wanting to do not very nice things to me (im 22 but short woman so I look 15 and I FEEL LIKE A KID). SO YEAH I end up wasting so much time and feeling terrible about it but idk how to stop being unmotivated. Sorry for the wall of random info I just needed to express it I guess...
@@duntemdraws310 It sounds like you have a lot of early childhood trauma, you described a lot of experiences similar to people with ADHD. Perhaps looking into it? Self-diagnosis is valid, btw! I am autistic and ADHD and also went through stuff similar to yours.
You get a like for the "threw it on the ground" reference alone! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You clearly rarely get bored... x)
Liking the video within the first 30 seconds because the intro was so good 😂😂😂😂
(Cw child mortality)
I just read a book about a guy mutated to a job where he has nothing to do, and he gets so depressed he ends up forgetting his 1 year old child to die in his car... be careful guys.... 😰😰😰
what book is it?
lol
@@giusytrezza5073 it’s in French, it’s called « Naufrage » by Biz
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I swear when you said Hi... I have never frowned so hard
3:30 as an artist, that's actually accurate lmao
This is just undiagnosed ADHD and depression. I actually find myself relating to a lot of things this character goes through. Especially with trying to improve my drawing skills and also making the comics I dream of making someday. Literally have EVERYTHING planned out in my head, but can’t seem to get myself to actually write and make storyboards. It makes me sad that this is always chalked up to laziness when it’s way more difficult and complicated than that
Y is no one talking about how joinen posed as ssniperwolf of the cover 😂
Aw hell naw. All that free time and I just have to sit there alone with my thoughts? I’d fail that within an hour, I get bored fast 😅
Joinen unknowingly reading the Polish title as “WEEDZMAN ZIGGY GON” wrecks me
Joinen now you have to take this challenge. And livestream it on twitch
Sounds like executive dysfunction to me 😅
yay a new video after only 1 year!
I must say, the challenge is easy to beat when you have been living without technology and internet for 4 years
How did you write this then
@@eckoreckofantasy he said for four years..you think hes still 4 now and cant get technology anymore? lmao, think before u speak
@@lemontartcz sorry i didnt get if they were still living like that or used to because of how it was worded
@@eckoreckofantasy if it means "rn" itd be "for 4 years NOW" (now shows it keeps going)
@@lemontartcz okay
I relate to this girl so much in the beginning
That’s a deeply unethical program if real. The large sum of money and the rules to not do anything to earn it while basically torturing her with her interests- gross.
People in solitary confinement literally go insane. There’s no way this girl would have walked away without mental problems.
They did say it was a social experiment, but I completely agree, there is no way she bounced back so easily after it was over.
I would honestly watch 20 minutes of Joinen doing absolutely nothing.
Do you watch his streams? The first half an hour is pretty chill.. not much happening 😁
Honestly I kinda feel this. I have vision issues and before I was able to get help for it I could only lay down with my eyes closed. I did this for a month because I just couldn't sit up or open my eyes without feeling sick. Doing nothing really messes with you
20:42 THIS IS THE SECOND TIME JOINEN MAKES THIS SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE LONELY ISLAND
Hello, Joinen! Thanks for the content
Oh what a fascinating screen saver
any teenager would need enough sleep to just sleep through the entire test
Loving the unique thumbnail
6:27
Frank easter egg from Brawl stars in the background. Pretty cool ☺
Some other comments confirm what I thought: ADHD with Gifted Child syndrome, and some depression sprinkled in, too.
Also, I counted more than just 48 books (68, 78, or 79 depending on the shot).
Ngl , its shocking to see everyone (including me) agree on the fact she probably had depression,ADHD and/or gifted child syndrome as I really relate to this girl and what every body else is saying (I hope that makes sense)
clearly this girl has never gone through a depressive episode
Yep
why did he merge his face into sssniperwolf's face in the thumbnail? 😂😂😂😂
Ikr
I started laughing when I saw it 😭 does it even have anything to do with the video I haven’t watched it yet
@@madisonm2167 nope
i thought it was actually sssniperwolf at first
bro the thumbnail was so good i barely processed that it wasnt sssniperwolf
I actually thought this was a SSSniperWolf video until I looked at the face lol. Nice editing!
15:40 Fun fact: This is the original, Polish title of the game The Witcher 3. It's pronounced like vyechmeen: cheekee gon.
I'm pretty sure I saw the cat on a math rock playlist.
8:40 What is this? Low stakes Squid Game?
nvm, Joinen made the joke. Carry on.
I mean, you would actually go crazy without human contact
THAT TITLE SOUNDS LIKE [Fifty Percent Of][Sponsored videos]
this sounds like a depressed burnt out gifted kid
If I'm allowed to wander around i could probably daydream for a week. I've spent whole days pacing and making up stories in my head
5:30 charlie d melio specifically
15:39 why the polish witcher tho
I was listening to this while I was in the kitchen (couldn't see) I was making a soda and as I was sipping it, joinen says "looks like you're doing something you're sipping soda" and I like snorted/coughed and went to the phone and he was just talking about the thumbnail but for a second there 👀
That experiment probably would have been a breeze for me. Maladaptive daydreamer, baby XD
I am soooo annoyed by how she talks about her being 'lazy', when I recognize all of this as side effects of mental illness or being neurodivergent. And if that's it, then 7 days of absolute nothingness isn't going to cure you.
I love how joinen put himself on an SSSniperwokf thumbnail.
TOP 10 most-effort thumbnails of all time
This is a real strategy for gaining motivation, called a dopamine cleanse. A week is a bit of an extreme one though.
LMAO LEGIT THOUGHT THIS WAS A SSSNIPERWOLF VIDEO FEOM THE THUMBNAIL AND IT TOOK ME A HOT SECOND IT FIGURE OUT IT WASNTJJSNSJFB
Sometimes when I watch your videos I wonder if something you say is an Australian thing or if I’m just dumb
That girl is me like I have talent for many things but I never give it enough time to become really good 😭
I imagine being locked away in a room affects everyone differently, but I spent the majority of my childhood that way and eventually you do reach a point where doing anything is rewarding. You start to become a heavy daydreamer and appreciate dreaming when you sleep. Your mind becomes your own TV show essentially. You even learn to listen to everything and catalog sounds and the things people say. If and when you do start to see things you are relieved you have something more to do than just lie there. I was punished with being able to do absolutely nothing and this chick was allowed to do a whole lot more than I was and was getting paid to do it. She had like zero mental discipline and honestly military school would have given her the same effect. The effect that one single week of psychological torture has on her would not last long though. She would revert back within a month. I mean, her parents are responsible for her behavior because they didn’t punish her for anything. Paid to be grounded, ha! I wish. 😂
Sounds like executive dysfunction to me :')
That is called solitary confinement in case you were wondering.
0:01 You just looked sad
Sleeping for a whole week and getting paid 7k?
Sure, gimme my cafe and my pills =3