Time to change the Leg Before Wicket (LBW) rule? Evolution of LBW in cricket explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Leg Before Wicket, one of the most complicated dismissals in cricket, is at the receiving end of quite a lot of critics off late. In this video, we have covered every tiny detail of LBW and it's evolution.
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*"Pads are there to save the batsmen from injuries, not from dismissals!"*
I really do agree with that...
But We also can't give full acces to Bowlers by Discarding ,
Impact and pitching
Otherwise it will became more like Archery to hit the pad
Bowler have to just hit the pad and take the wicket If Batsman misses
We r not talking about pads here we are talking about that a Batsman should be out if he put his legs in front of wickets trying to stop the ball from hitting them
@@saheebraj9987 as it should be
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yes ,i also agree with ian chappel.....
remember the ball of the centuary by warne which pitched outside the wide line then hits the wicket, isn't out ! yes it is out. similarly the lbw should also consider........
I'm Agree With Ian Chapell....T20 Cricket Has Much Fun But It Make Everyone Bats Ease
This was explained very nicely. I don't think there is a better explanation of lbw history and laws on TH-cam.
+1 for the effort 👌
another factor with the pitching & impact rules were that they made lbw decisions regarding whether it would have hit the stumps, more reliable.. by reducing chance of human error. however, with the ball-tracking technology we use now, this aspect is no longer necessary.
further, i don't think it will slow the game too much.. maybe only in the short term... a defensive stroke using the bat is still much better than a defensive padding. the slight dip in runs will be compensated by more exciting dismissals, particularly in T20, where aggression will not stop.
1.Pitching Outside Off stump and Leg Stump shall be regarded as batsman not offering a shot.
2. Impact outside the line of Off Stump and Leg stump shall be disregarded.
I don't agree that the current lbw rules favor the batsmen, lbw existing at all is in bowler's favor. Batsmen should have every right to protect their wicket not just with their bats but also with their bodies. But I also understand the bowlers' frustration if batsmen just keep blocking the ball with their legs instead of the bat, because it's a bat and ball game after all, not ball and leg game.
So the current lbw rules are fine, getting rid of either pitching or impact or both will just give the bowlers' too much advantage.
Your videos are very well put together.
Current LBW rule is absolutely fine, both batsman and bowler developed their technique based on these rules, any change could make huge impact and it favours hugely the bowlers
To bring contest berween the biwler and batsman, nake changes to the pitches not the rules
I definitely think that bowlers would target the stumps from bowling wide of the crease, it’s definitely harder to defend from that angle
I don't think impact should be taken out, since it would be very difficult for umpires to judge whether the ball would hit the stumps. There is almost no way to judge since you would need to consider the angle of the ball off the pitch AND height from a single perspective when it is hard enough to do with two cameras. You would get a lot more appeals from bowlers and may possibly have to go to DRS a lot more.
However, I do think the pitch of the ball should not be considered. It should not matter whether the ball lands outside off or legside if it impacts the batsman in front of the stumps and is obviously straightening or going on to hit the stumps. If batsmen can score runs off such deliveries, then the bowler should be able to get wickets off them if it was going to hit the stumps and the batsman missed.
Agree. And also whether the batsman tried to play a stroke or not should not matter. That rule also needs to be revised I feel.
I think the main problem with changing the inline part of it is that it makes it harder for umpires. Under the current rules, the "straightening up" that's required for most LBWs makes it a _bit_ easier for them.
Obviously, most games don't have DRS.
I'm not against it as such, but I think this is a factor to take into account.
This will majorly impact test cricket and I feel.test cricket is already is bowler friendly nowadays..considering there were only 3 centuries in ind vs aus test series. The pitches are with a lot more spice and bite in tests nowadays. The ammendment is only required in drs where the umpire's call shouldn't be there in lbw case.
if pitching outside the leg was valid during Shane Warne era, He could have easily got 2k+ wickets.
That’s quite funny?
I think in test cricket especially, batters use their pads a lot more than they should. While it is true that umpires give more LBW decisions now after DRS than they used to before, batters can still get away with using their pads against potentially wicket-taking deliveries; the way Pujara played Nathan Lyon in the recently concluded Ind vs Australia series highlights that.
Impact outside off can still be considered.. but pitching and impact outside leg would make the game boring for sure
We are also of the same opinion. Batsmen may start playing very slowly if both impact and pitching factors are removed.
How will it make it boring? The batsmen is forced to play more, no?
@@abhilashupadhya no bro. Players play very slow.
Ya they will start defending more and then T20 a high score will be 120 and ODI will be 150 in the whole quota of 20 and 50 overs respectively.... It will support the bowlers and batsmen will be on the pitier side!
I think I would make one change. It shouldn't be a problem if the ball pitches outside leg, as long as the impact is in line.
Gr8 video as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it!
if ball hitting wickets whether pitching outside or inside ,impact inside or outside it shud be considered out ..thats what i think to change lbw rule
I think current LBW rule is good as is. We just need to move out Umpires's call, If it is hitting stumps either 10% or 90%, give it out.
You need to watch the below video to understand the working of DRS technology and why umpire's call exists in cricket.
th-cam.com/video/A3Q-2WaSdLk/w-d-xo.html
@@TheCricketDigest Being a programmer myself I know what this video's says but still I will uphold technology over human eyes. Technology is there will less than 1 percentage chance of failure . The problem with Umpires call is that even if umpire has a little bit bias towards one team that can result into few umpire call going against one team in a game. I can give example of Ind vs NZ semifinal game last year where around 4 umpire call decision went against India.
As we have explained in the video, current umpire's call is eliminating the howler and also shielding the system from technology error. Isn't it a best combination? And there are a lot time where India has been advantaged due to umpire's call. Not to forget, ICC tournaments will have neutral umpires. Terming neutral umpire's as biased isn't fair.
@@TheCricketDigest I am not calling umpire biased but a hint of bias can be there even in neutral umpire but not in technology. It is human nature. Well I don't want to carry on with this discussion so Good luck.
Fully agree with Ian Chappell.
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In my opinion pitching constraints must be there but impact thing can be elemenated
Makes sense.
Pitching outside leg should not be considered as outside leg stump balls are always bowled to hit batsmans body blow. It increases injury.Impact outside stump has to be considered for modifications of law. If a ball hit the stumps in its travel it should be out.
Batsman should be given ‘out’ when batsmen misses the shot or defends the shot by leg and hits the pad ,irrespective where it pitches and ball hitting the stumps.
low-scoring matches are infinitely more interesting and thrilling than high-scoring ones.
saying a batsman is not out because the ball pitched outside leg removes a viable bowling weapon. it's because of unilateral laws like this that batsmen feel more confident playing the whole 360* oval while bowlers have to serve pies.
Changing the rules will most likely affect tests more and limited over games.
What I think about?
LBW should not be given unless the batsman blocked the ball to hit the stumps.
Yes the first ever rule of this dismissal. It was the best.
Like mentioned in the video, the rule could reduce the commercial value of the game when it comes to T20 & ODI. But it would have the opposite effect on Test since a result will more or less be guaranteed.
Possibly guaranteed within a day on spinning tracks.
Pitching outside leg should be same as pitching on offside. Because that's cause a big disadvantage to a leg spin bowler
I feel, as long as the ball doesn't pitch outsideleg, it should be given out if the ball is hitting the stumps.. Imapct should not be considered.. Only pitching and hitting..
I agree that the impact and line rule should be dismissed but in order to prevent games from becomming bored due to low scoring they should first role it out to Tests Matches only then watch it's impact this would also give Batsman time to adjust accordingly and then some years down the line apply it to ODIs and then again for T20s. Bowlers put alot of hard work and much of their hard work is lost due to this UNFAIR rule
How about introducing a new kind of wicket!
Whenever the impact is outside off and the batsmen is offering a shot but the ball hits the pad, the Batsmen is given a half of OUT(Something like strikes in baseball). So if that happens the second time, He is sent to pavilion.... (2 strikes and he is out)
Interesting insight.
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I agree with ian chappel
The LBW law was intended to prevent batsmen from using their pads to stop the ball hitting their wicket. Batsmen had probably presumably been doing so deliberately and this law was to put an end to it. Why not just go back to that? If an umpire is certain the ball was on target and considers that the batsman deliberately guarded his wicket with his pads - OUT. If it was not 100% certain that the action was deliberate, then the umpire could warn the batsman not to do it again. This would encourage the batsman to always try to put bat to ball.
The ball pitching outside the leg stump and if it is hitting wickets should be considered the same as the ball pitching outside off stump.
Here I agree with Ian Chappel, not about the LBW rule, but there should be some new rules in the favour of bowler.
Right, the bowlers need some breathing space right now!
Time to change the impact while 'offering the shot' and 'not offering the shot'?
Reference: Ind vs Eng 2021 second test second day, Rohit Sharma Case
Why impact is not considered if no shot is offered. With the same ball if the shot is offered the impact comes into the picture! Does the ball tracking changes if the batsman is not offering the shot?
We suggest you to watch the entire video. We have explained this point.
I think pitching outside off and impact outside off should be consider for lbw.. same can't be said about leg side.. Imagine shane warne from round the wicket, it'll be just horrible
Maybe to make it better for the bowlers, count umpires call on the stumps as hitting on review?
But then still let the team keep their reviews
Umpires call is a different topic altogether. We suggest you to watch this video to understand the umpire's call better.
th-cam.com/video/jyEaLvDSyUk/w-d-xo.html
Impact any side and umpire call should be changed to give out , if the ball hits any part of the stumps not only 50%on leg and off stumps.
You need to watch the below video to understand the working of DRS technology and why umpire's call exists in cricket.
th-cam.com/video/A3Q-2WaSdLk/w-d-xo.html
Can anyone explain me when a review is retained or lost unless out or notout respectively.what is umpires call and what if pitches outside leg stump.WHAT IS IMPACT
Kindly go through these 2 videos. We have covered most of the things in these. Do let us now if your doubt still persists.
th-cam.com/video/p6sUGyoH1Us/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/jyEaLvDSyUk/w-d-xo.html
i think it should be how it is now
I am not in favour of this rule instead of that we can change the rule of fielding distribution for fair play between bat and ball
Just increase size of wickets in T20 just like boundaries are short in T20s.
for DRS umpires call must be changed from 50% to a lower value
Give the benifit to bowler everytime it's hitting stumps.
Impact in line rule should be removed
Do you know how many extra dismissals that would actually lead to? How short do you think a fourth innings on a spinning track in India would be in that case? We don't have the data to determine whether such a rule change would actually make the game better and more fair.
If slow games becoming boring was such a worry, then there wouldn't be such a huge interest in golf.
Stop being fixated on limited overs cricket. Test matches, at least in the UK, reach the 5th day increasingly rarely which suggests that the balance of power between batsman and bowler is about right.
They should take out impact but not pitching
If lbw not there Shane Watson will be the first person to celebrate 🥂😁😁😁
If lbw not there? Who the fuck is talking about lbw not being there? Watch the video first.
@@voodooros dear bastard jus I'm kidding Shane watson majority times he gets out by lbw decision in career so jus I'm saying
I think ball just need to hit stumps
Pitch or impact shouldn't matter
I think current laws are sufficient,as per your view the negative balling will rule. No need to change.
What about the negative batting that's been ruling for quite a while now, especially, in test ? This change in the rule will definitely restore the fairness between bat and ball which will only be good for cricket in long term but the thing is that casual fans won't like it. Hope the Cricket organisation keeps the cricket itself above those losers (The casual fans) for once.
@@rohitbhushan8855 absolutely.
Ruling out the impact and hitting criteria, will give bowlers a fair advantage which is required in today's scenario. Forget about fans and need for runs
To be honest the rule should not be changed...Already if the shot is not offered they don't consider the impact of ball and give out if it's in the line and pitching outside off... But if you remove the impact and pitching the ball.....The game of cricket is done... The bowler has only one job to ball straight hitting the stump and I am sure more than 90% off the wickets will be LBW only...It's totally unfair to the batsman if he misses an leg side delivery and hits on pad.
Yeah, now batsman should be given out only if it's wicket-before-leg... And the leg has to be behind the wicket!
we can give the batsman 3 warnings about using his pad to avoid dismissal.
I also think that what the hell is ‘Umpire call’. If ball hits stump, it is out.
Do watch this video to know more about the umpire's call.
th-cam.com/video/jyEaLvDSyUk/w-d-xo.html
@@TheCricketDigest Thanks for giving suggestion personally.
pitching outside leg an be omitted for switch hits !
If the ball can hit the stumps you are out if u pad
Must see what the Vedas say about LBW
Test matches are slow yet worth watching every single ball. How does that bring down commercial value. Most people prefer t20 that's why ☹️
So far many times the referral were wasted (not in review left) due to the umpire's call.
The problem is not with the rules but with the pitch.
That's bullshit from Ian Chappell. It would be used unfairly by bowlers too. Spinners can bowl from leg side on the crack and get batsman out on leg slip or square. That would be unfair to both ends. It would become monotonous and boring. Even without this law lbw is common these days.
Maybe pitching and impact outside leg can still be considered not out but impact outside off should be out. Get rid of the batriarchy.
Ian Chappel is right
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Cant be changed due to the one constant, that player will exploit any change. We already have players like Pujara constantly tucking the bat behind the pad to off spinners exploiting the fact umpires are reluctant to call it ‘no shot played’ and guess if the ball is hitting the stump for fear of being proven wrong on DRS. Where you totally went wrong is listening to anything Ian Chappell has to say. The guy just likes the sound of his own voice. If you took out the pitching and in line rules you would have every right arm bowler coming around the wicket as wide as possible trying to spear the ball into the pads from the leg side and captains stacking the leg side with fielders. It would completely ruin cricket. The LBW rules are fine as is.
In my opinion, the pitching rule must stay and impact rule must be ignored.
This will allow the bowlers to swing/spin the bowl from different angles rather than bowling in a straight line. I have seen many outstanding deliveries that deserved a wicket being turned down due to impact off-line.
That is a fair comment. As an Umpire in Grade Cricket, I would prefer it that ball is hitting the stumps and the impact point is the one to use. If a bowler can pitch the ball outside the off stump but swings back in and hits the batsman in front of the wickets, and the ball would obviously be hitting the wickets, then it can be given out. Same as if the bowler goes around the wicket and swings the ball in and it hits the pads, and it is going on hit the stumps then that is out. But I do not like this Umpires call. The whole ball must be hitting the pads in front of the stumps. That would make my life easier. Not easy Umpiring when a Fast Left Armer is on, because by the time I get my eyes up from watching his front foot, I have missed if it is outside leg or inside leg. For me, all I should be looking at is that the ball is hitting the stumps. And as A captain once told me after getting out LBW, hey son, why don't you use your bat to hit the ball. Cheers
@@BatMan-xr8gg Thanks for sharing your views 🤗. I know umpiring is not an easy job at all. Its really hard to keep cool and decide whether to give out/not when all the players are appealing, especially the umpires call. It all happens in a fraction of time. I do have a lot of respect for the umpires. But we must make sure that the rules/laws are not taken for granted or misused.
@@Nijapraju Totally agree with you. And yeah, when the players are in your face appealing and you don't have DRS, I am going to upset either side with my decision. I actually retired after last season due to the abuse I got from then players if they did not like my decision. Cheers mate.
But I think Both have to stay but remove
Umpire's call from Both pitching and impact
It really doesn't matter That ball pitched 10 Percent in line or 100
If u Are watching that ball is clearly hitting whole to the stump then Why U will give not out just b coz Umpire's call
U will ignore the Whole hitting of the Ball
@@saheebraj9987 sir technology is not 100% accurate hence benifit of doubt is given based on Umpire call... Law makers are not that dumb these days
Both pitching and impact rule must be removed because if the leg hadn't come before the wicket, then ball either pitching outside leg or outside off might have gone to hit the stumps.
Best is that if ball touches to the batsman's leg then it should be dot ball even if ball goes for four or six through pads. Coz pads should not be used to score runs so if batsman used made any runs then it should not be counted.
Also u r correct
@@junaidaj7450 this may not be implemented, since running without hitting anything (bye) will also then have to be ruled out.
Then can just remove impact rule. The idea behind pitching in line or off is due to batsman can't sight the release of ball properly over the shoulder if it is pitching outside. So we should stick with that
@@princenarayana what are you talking??..that means you are favouring t the batsmen!!...think once of the bowlers, How much restrictions they have!!
I think IMPACT can be removed....but PITCHING cannot be removed because if ball pitches outside leg it is the blindspot of batsmen...making it difficult for him to see...(bowlers will take advantage of this)
Right, valid point. But there are counters that all the games have blind-spots but only in cricket the batsmen get away with this.
@@TheCricketDigest What if 4th stump is introduced to solve the issue.
Yes your opinion is right. I agree with you. I want also only impact decision is removed but not the pitching decision.
interesting perspective!
@@TheCricketDigest I think they should do something more subtle. remove pitching requirements for balls delivered from outside off stump. That way a bowler skillful enough to spin or swing it back from outside leg is an lbw threat but those who start outside leg aren't.
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Not if it calls the Laws of Cricket as rules
Well, we are a team of professional umpires. Of course we know that they are called as laws! But our sole intention of making these videos is to simplify the law book, so that a layman can understand the game well. Specially Indian cricket fans are not aware of the 'LAW' term, they mostly use the word 'rule'. If these videos were made for the umpires, we would have definitely used the word 'LAW', not 'rule'.
I don’t trust, and I don’t see how umpires can trust, the animation that everyone relies on to get the result. Whether it is computer generated using science and ballistic theory, or someone’s best guess, it is still an animation and not the actual trajectory of the ball.
Even if they don't want to remove pitching rule still they can easily remove impact in line rule.. now a days game is only batsmen friendly.. this is very bad.. but anyways it's not a game anymore it's business so anyways.. my useless opinion..
It’s a game as well dood and I’ve watched lots of cricket it’s not batsman friendly they can get out from beautiful balls that’s almost if not impossible to stop and can get clocked by bawls on there body just my opinion but it’s more bowler friendly than batsman
Batsman friendly game is more interesting to watch
@@abhishekmanchare1679 i still dont see it as batsman friendly game at least in test matches
@@gothicgolem2947 yes, the pitches are to blame
@@ritdhar6579 hmmmm idk there are some big bowler pitches and at least in test the bowlers always seem to have the advantage
Even low scoring games which are highly competitive can be a great treat to watch. Take a look at the ICC 2019 World Cup finals, there were moments which will stay with every cricket fan forever or be it the ICC 2013 Champions Trophy where England were chasing a low score against a good Indian Bowling attack and it went down to the wire.
But having said that, we must limit the size of the bats even more and bring back the concept of 1 ball in ODIs to assist the bowlers with reverse swing and added spin (need to check if this is still the case)
A great video mate! Looking forward to more :)
Rule out this impact and pitching thing already. Now is the time. I am in favor of If the ball hits the stumps its out. Great video friend🥂
Bro in an innings more than 10 times batsmen get lbw. Then the match will get over very soon.
@@sujaymulagund299 so what?
@@nakulghate9448 so what meaning??
@@nakulghate9448 it's commercial importance will be reduced
@@nakulghate9448 no one will watch cricket then
If the pitching rule is changed, all bowlers will have to do is bowl from the batsman's leg side and target the pads. This will be horribly easy to generate LBWs, to the point where it'll be very one-sided especially in test cricket. The impact rule can easily be changed though
Totally agree with your point.
Yeah. Imagine Shane warne from round the wicket.
@mangothing Pace of DRS and methods used has nothing to do with laws.. And it's not under the wish of any1..
That depends on technology..
When technology isn't precise, an umpire has to take time to arrive at the correct decision at ultra close calls
Then can just remove impact rule. The idea behind pitching in line or off is due to batsman can't sight the release of ball properly over the shoulder if it is pitching outside. So we should stick with that
it's very one-sided now.
if batsmen are afraid the bowlers will aim at their pads from the legside, the batsmen are free to step further to a 4th or 5th legside stump, as they do with the 4th or 5th offside stump line to reach wide balls. bowlers have had to make adjustments in order to survive. it's time batsmen had to make adjustments to survive too.
And Umpire’s call should be ignored when making decisions.
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Before the LBW rule, I want the leg bye rule to be gone first .... Why the hell there should be a run when batsman was unable hit the ball with bat ? It's in bowlers credit that he deceived the batsman ..
as long as pitching outside leg still stops LBW. otherwise there will be heaps of negative round the wicket, angles in, legside bowling.
I’d say it should be pitching outside leg and offering a shot stops lbw. Some protection for the batter but gets rid of them just padding up to spin bowling
@@Agent117Smith yea, fair kinda, i think id trial it. could get pretty bad though someone express round the wiicket, because you basicaly have to commit to playing of your pads, and if its short your so far out of position your gunna get hit alot. could become a negative tactic. but yea, try those 2. see how it effects the game and move fowards on is fair.
With this rule, I think bowlers would bowl from around the wicket much more targeting the batsman[s legs and batsmen would counter this by taking a more leg side stance. From the spectator point of view more bowled dismissals would be a positive, but more LBW dismissals would not.
For a couple of years game will be more cautious and same but with this modern fit athletes and techniques batsmen's will adapt the change and will further evolve batting qualities.
Game should always evolve and shouldn't be same for centuries and Changing LBW in favour of bowler should start the trade and honestly real fans doesn't want to see bowlers getting bashed day in and day out they want to see competition between bat and ball.
And this decision will definitely increase the competition and technique of batting.
Yes it will become bowler friendly and leg spinners will rule the game
Only the umpires call rule should be removed. If the ball less than 50% hit the stumps it should given not out . Rest is all good
Ian Chappell said it right. Cricket has become more T20 concentrated these days
I always feel lbw is most confusing dismissal with that impact and umpires call
Easiest of all decisions because if you have any doubt it's Not Out
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In that case, balls should be declared wide if it's not touching stumps when batsman missed the ball.
Its exactly what i thought. Bad logic !!
I think it should stay the same
Highly informative
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I think they should allow the bats in the 1990's only ,because these days the bat's are so powerful.
It will be audience friendly, because bowlers will get the respect they deserve. Which they get only in test matches
Honestly, that’s the clearest explanation of the ‘pitching’ and ‘impact’ rules I’ve ever seen.
Then can just remove impact rule. The idea behind pitching in line or off is due to batsman can't sight the release of ball properly if it is pitching outside. So we should stick with that
In test cricket it shouldn’t be changed. Its pretty fair especially when pitches are more equal. In odi and t20 its not a bad idea.
I'm not a fan of having different LBW rules in the different types of cricket. I fear that it might affect the standard of umpiring, which is already a very difficult job when it comes to LBW decisions. I think that there are better ways to even up the contest in limited-overs cricket.
@@wunnell I honestly don’t think it should be changed either. I think its honestly fair these days. The advent of t20 game has tended to change things in the players themselves. Think people should concentrate more on player development as well instead of rules. I already do think lbw decisions are on point. Nobody deliberate pads in odis or t20s
@@sairam7669 , one thing I don't think that a lot of people consider is that it doesn't really matter that average scores go up as long as average wickets lost stays about the same. We just have to recalibrate our thinking regarding what figures constitute a good bowler. If it used to be that a good bowler went at 4 an over and a bad bowler went at 6 an over but now a good bowler goes at 6 and a bad bowler goes at 8 then so be it. If 5 an over used to be the average then a fair game was one that went at about 5 an over and if the average now is 7 an over then a fair game is one that goes at about 7 am over. That's just the way it is. If it used to be that teams lost an average of 7 wickets per game and now the average was 3 or something like that then that would be an issue but that's not the way it is, as far as I'm aware. Good bowlers are still taking wickets, even if it's because batsmen are taking more risks. It only becomes an issue if and when average scores get so high that even bad teams are scoring so many runs that good teams are unable distinguish themselves because it's just not possible to score more runs.