Wow! This is amazing! You teach in many ways. I came for the 600d Pro but also was inspired to use a reflective bounce for my desk cramped up against the wall for lighting myself during computer video conferences. Thanks. Literally everyone video conferencing now can use gaffer knowledge.
@@meetthegaffer Just now realized your logo as concentric circles of a fresnel lens. Can you have a splash intro looking into the lens and then your logo appears? I love your channel.
Great video as always. It's been pretty cool to see Aputure evolve over they last couple of years. As someone who sells lighting gear all day, I can tell it's going to be a big mover, especially for indie teams.
Yes, the pace of innovation in lighting right now is kind of insane, but these guys are doing a good job of giving people what they want and keeping the conversation creative and thoughtful in terms of the craft, science, and business of moving pictures.
Been shooting with my own 600d pro since March and it’s the best light I’ve used. Thanks to your video I thought it would be perfect and it has been. I have been running it over 90% almost all the time so I am considering a second one eventually. Fantastic value and build quality
When you open the door, you can also use some/ bring in that negative fill on the actor from the side and cut the light, meanwhile still getting that nice reflection on the back wall. Very cool demo.
When you say "low amps" what do you mean? the Aperture website lists the 600 as pulling 8A and the Joker 800 is listed as pulling 7.5A. isn't that basically the same?
Mr. Seerveld .. you became one of my best friends .. I love your videos. I learn from you a lot in gaffering and griping.. thank you so much for all what you do for us. And please Mr. Seerveld can you teach me about light meters in general how to use it in video lighting and specific in SEKONIC (speedmaster L-858-D) Type ..
We’ll probably need to find you a better teacher! When it comes to light meters I’m afraid I’m not as well versed as I should be. If I did more long form/narrative work I think I would be more adept. I used a meter from time to time when I began gaffing while we were still shooting film, but I would lean on the DP’s knowledge. Then for the better part of twenty years we would usually have an engineer/DIT on set who would keep us in check via a waveform and vector scope, so I relied on that form of metering. In the last ten years or so, as we shifted towards larger chip sensors, every camera has become it’s own film stock, so to speak, and with LUTs applied to RAW, I’m often finding myself again leaning on the DP for their knowledge of the particular camera we’re using that day. With false color added to the mix the camera tools are more and more refined to get us where we want to be, so I’m usually using a meter more to confirm what the DP is doing. In long form I would probably work ahead more often and need to match previous set-ups, which would be a better regimen for building up my metering chops. This is all to say, it may be time to take another pass at getting a better meter reader to walk us through the basics and best practices of on-set metering. Sorry for the wandering answer🤪
Received mine. Early tests : good output, color bang on (5600K and 0 G/M); downsides are noise (fans on both the head and ballast) and I wish there was an option for a longer header cable to put that ballast further away. Oh and I had a happy surprise: it had proper lumenradio wireless DMX built in!
I love the fact that you set up 3 cameras and 2 switchers for this review. That's going above and beyond! Do you think we'll see a 'fire sale' of HMI 800's in the next year? I know that gaffers tend to stick with what they're most comfortable with, but adopting these brighter LED's has more upsides than downsides, I would think. Gotta say that Aputure is very responsive to the lighting communities needs. "Aputure 1K", can it be that far behind?
HMI’s are not going away, but this is the next step in terms of competition. Each technology has its downsides and fan noise can be a thing if you are in a small space. Just like the hum or high pitch whine of an HMI, these things can be dealt with, but now new tech is hurdle free:)
For the output, it’s a quiet fan. I’m with a seasoned sound guy today who said he would definitely hear it in a small room but that there are ways to get it out. We all have to work together as tech marches on😬
Hey Luke, I loved your Aputure 600D video. You said it's possible to "smash" it into a window for moonlight effect? That's what I'm hoping to do: simple light on stick. Mombo Combo fully lofted, no diff. Should I remove the reflector also?
It depends what kind of area you want to hit and with what intensity. An F10 fresnel may be handy to have on hand as well to get nicer shadows. If you don’t have the fresnel available and the output is too harsh, you could see what a light diffusion like Hampshire or 1/2 soft frost does for the look near the window. Try some different things until you get what you like (or can live with😬) and report back!
The Rag Place, LA Rag House, and any of the grip stores: American, Modern, Matthews, Norms, and there are other places that I am less familiar with that others may want to rep.
Awesome review. Been looking forward to this light for awhile now. Based off your personal experience, would you say the fan noise is quiet enough to do interviews in a smaller environment without it being an issue for sound department? Also, it would be nice to see results in your office with the prompter glass removed as it eats light?
I have not yet been in an optimum environment for a sound person to give me their blessing. I may have that opportunity tomorrow. If I don’t get to it tmrw, it might not be until the new year:(
Head over to Gaffer&Gear on YT. Andrew does a much better job breaking down the 600 than I do and he has been working with the Forza 500 for the past year as well!
Hahaha!!!! I loved your reaction when you saw the reading of the 600D Pro. You kept saying wow. Like you were surprised a light under$2,000 can output more than a $7,000 Joker. I love the 600D and the Nova. Only two lights I take with me on my indie film locations since the pandemic. Best investments I've made since 2018. Thanks for your review. I always come to your channel for tips.
Luke- I always enjoy your reviews, and thanks for getting this one up so quickly. There was a question on Newsshooter about your comparison of the Joker to the 600d Pro specifically in the even-ness of the beam. I've always found the Aputure 55º reflector to have a pretty big hot spot, and a commenter felt that this test wasn't an appropriate comparison due to your finding the hot spot on the 600d with your meter. Can you comment about the differences in beam fall-off between the 600d and the J8? To see there didn't seem to be a huge difference, but the scene made it hard to tell. (My 600d comes today, but I don't own an HMI to compare it to :-)
Yes, I think I saw that discussion. It was not my intention to present an exhaustive comparison. Down the road I’m sure there will be an opportunity to compare the strength of both units throughout the breadth of the beam angle. A stage would help.
The issue there is that the current spotlight mount is not optimized for the 600d. I used it yesterday and it was fine, but got pretty hot. At some point tho I will compare😬
It does not make a buzzing sound. It’s been a while since I’ve purchase globes. I would just call your local Expendables dealer… or JCX Expendables in San Francisco, they’ll steer you in the right direction.
@@meetthegaffer I changed the lamp, using Koto now and that solved the problem, I can hear very little from 5 inches away(igniter). That Osram lamp was loud! K5600 said sometimes it is indeed the lamp batch. The only thing I hear is a slight high pitch from the ballast, but seems normal
Great video as usual! Keep rocking. It will be super cool if you will surprised us with some "Aputure setup" to see how to combine 600d pro with 300d II and 120d. Aputure 600d pro is first Aputure light with 5600K, all others are 5500K. Some reviews also mentioned that 600d pro is a little bit more magenta... so it will be great if we can see all LS aputure light in action all together. We need real story and real action and you are one of the best !
All good! I appreciate you. I’m definitely using more Aputure units on a regular basis, but I’m almost always mixing in units from other manufacturers:) I’m also kind of hack, so if two units are 100-200 Kelvin different from each other, I’m not necessarily correcting that. If a unit is too green or too magenta, I’ll correct it, but I’m not as picky about every little thing as you might think. I think we are very fortunate to have manufacturers who are so on top of their color science as much as Kinoflo, Quasar Science, and Aputure are. That attention to detail helps us all relax a little and spend more time being creative with our lighting. All the best in your work!
@@meetthegaffer thanks for the reply! yes, we totally agree with you. It's not about equipment, it's about creativity and ideas... :) Keep doing great reviews and videos! #cometothebrightside :)
Thanks Luke. This unit with the leko attachment has potential .. I see this a a good alt to a joleko 800. Do you know if the leko attachments I have for my 300 D's will fit the 600D??
It will fit, it’s just not optimized for the larger emitter. I used it in that config today. The spotlight mount got pretty hot. It was not being used with a pattern, so I did not take the time to check the sharpness. Still discovering....
It’s possible! For some reason, once I got used to the M18 and M8, I didn’t want to go back to swapping out lenses, so I was thrilled when K5600 came out with the Zoom beamer. I have a joker 2 400, but my 800 is the original style. I may have the Beamer and lenses hiding somewhere, but not sure where. Someone else may need to run that test. I’m not a pixel peeper, if you know what I mean... I just want to know if I can use units together or interchangeably and go from there.
Luke, how is the fan noise? the beam from on the unit looks soft comper to 800, does it have the same feeling as a sun coming through windows? how many Amp does it need at %100 if it's 15amp if I'm not mistaken I believe Joker is 7.5 Amp?
The fan is present, but in most situations will not be an issue. In a tight, quiet space you will need to determine whether the sound person has the skill and tools to deal with it or your post people can handle it. Fans are a simple fact of life for high intensity LEDs. If we want the capabilities and flexibility that LEDs provide production, we will need to accommodate their fans. I cannot say whether the quality of the light compares favorably to sunlight coming through a window. With a few grip tools I’m confident you could make it act the part of streaming sunshine. I measured the wattage draw when I first got the light. At full output it was just above 700 watts, if I remember correctly. I believe the 15 amps is a designation for the battery charging function of the controller... but I could be mistaken. Hope that helps.
@@meetthegaffer That's an incredibly small amount of power for such a bright light! Thanks for sharing! 'Wish we had them back in the day; I shutter to think how many fuses I blew over a lifetime thinking I was plugging into a 20 amp circuit, only to fine it was 15. My bad!
I’m with you there! We still have that with M18’s, but so many units now allow you to be much less careful about where you are plugging in when using house power.
Surprisingly I have not run those on batts. If I did I would probably use 2x 26V batts. It may not get full output, but those are the largest v-mounts I have. May need this set up tmrw. If it happens, I’ll report back🙂
I think you're not getting that cut because your diffusion is hanging too low. There would normally only be dark ground that low which wouldn't reflect much light, but the diffusion down there is filling in the top part of your back wall. I like seeing you geek out about lighting. What was the boom stand you were using in the images at the beginning?
Do you use EDLT lenses on your jolekos or standard? They say the EDLT lens can increase output by 10-20% and the beam is cleaner. Waiting on mine to arrive :)
@@meetthegaffer I see. I have a 50 degree but seems like it does not work as well, there is a very obvious hotspot. I think distance improves it a bit. Is the beam more even with the EDLT lenses? I’ll find out soon enough.
@@meetthegaffer I see, one last q, you worrry about uv light? Since the beaker is removed when converting to a joleko, I wonder how much uv those lenses block, can’t seem to find much online
There is always the original analog Sekonic L398 III. I think it’s like $200. But also check out the Cine Meter II app... for an iphone app it is quite impressive as a way to get a relative meter reading for exposure and color.
Had an Orbiter on preorder for over a year. I dont need colors. The fact that the 600d an be controlled directly from an iphone and is only 2k was enough for me to cancel my arri preorder.
Late to this party.. we are just speccing up a job (int with a light or two poking through the windows from ext) and my 'trad' DP is just not interested in these lights as they cannot be left out in the rain ( he thinks), a bit of rain/drizzle - which happens a lot in the uk - means we must stop shooting which is costly with talent, mua, camera and others in the rented location, he considers the led too much of a risk to the schedule. Do you have comment on the IP ratings of this vs a joker or 1.2 hmi - because he in fact may be very correct in his thoughts.
I’m not a lot of help, because I don’t spend a lot time in harsher weather environments. Not sure where IP54 fits into your DP’s comfort zone, but the 600d Pro is trying to be a unit that can be embraced by those who work in the elements. If I understand correctly, this is more about the head and less about the ballast, which it seems to me would be true of HMI’s as well. Often the best way to change someone’s POV is to bring a new unit on a job and preview it in a real environment while surrounded by all the regular instruments that exude comfort and reliability🙂 All the best!
@@meetthegaffer these are ip 54? that sounds quite usable - uk delers do not show that spec. Im not experienced in leaving electrical devices out in the rain either (!) but I can see that for a bigger setup (feature size) it might not be practical to break your setup if the sky goes dark. This dp has done some feature/truck genny work wheras I have not.
As I recall, they were similar; beyond that I would be speculating. Because I am usually using open units through a modifier/softener, I don’t think about beam angle very often... until I’m using an intensifier like a fresnel or ellipsoidal lens.
@@meetthegaffer thanks! But even if you're bouncing the beam can make a difference. If your filling the bounce or diffusion you'll have to adjust the distance of the light depending on the beam.
The beam angle is so critical in a 'test' of this nature - I think the simples thing is to measure maybe three points across the back wall. The Joker could easily be the same power, or a stop or two more. Andrew Locks vid on the 1200HMII vs forza 500 was completely flawed by a lack of investigation of beam angle as once he started bouncing the 1200 it bacame magically brighter thant the 500. As you, Luke, dont 'think' think beam angle you could also fill a 8.8 and test the light output from that ?
I know this is going to sound like Aperture is made in China crap. But that Joker/Joker Bug Combo is a tank. I can say on par with Mole Richardson. They're built like Tanks. And for an busy industry house that is weary of LEDs, I can't say Aperture is there yet. Maybe great for TH-camrs in the way a Sony ASIII is a great camera for TH-camrs and sure if you find a client that doesn't mind (and most don't or can't tell the difference). A Joker with a Mole Tweenie is still an unbeatable combo. And they're so cheap on the secondary market.
Totally get it. LEDs are computers, so it requires a little different mindset towards handling. Easy to say, but hard to do. You have to go with what works for you and the people who hire/rent from you. No one solution fits all situations.
Nice but...I'm sticking with my tungsten lights until they die or bulbs become too expensive or not available. =D For those that can use it have fun with it!
You may already know but they are making them both; the Aputure F10 and F10 Barn doors. They are a true 10" glass and looks promising but they are not shipping yet.
@@jeremeyshelton many thanks. I have seen them in some videos from a year ago but no word on when they will be available probably means not for 6 months plus.
@@RChildVision many thanks. I have seen them in some videos from a year ago but no word on when they will be available probably means not for 6 months plus.
The fact that you can get this kind of output under $2000 is remarkable. Truly a beautiful time to be a filmmaker.
It’s true!! It’s a crossover unit and it should be considered by pros. I’m excited to see Aputure break into the pro market more and more.
Funny to see you over here - Luke is a real OG
Hi Luke. I admire your videos. You are humble. Thank you for sharing your Knowledge and Experience
Wow! This is amazing! You teach in many ways. I came for the 600d Pro but also was inspired to use a reflective bounce for my desk cramped up against the wall for lighting myself during computer video conferences. Thanks. Literally everyone video conferencing now can use gaffer knowledge.
So true... lighting is fun for everyone... like watching Ted on the Aputure live stream today, it’s infectious!
@@meetthegaffer Just now realized your logo as concentric circles of a fresnel lens. Can you have a splash intro looking into the lens and then your logo appears? I love your channel.
Ha, ha! That’s a good idea.
Great video as always. It's been pretty cool to see Aputure evolve over they last couple of years. As someone who sells lighting gear all day, I can tell it's going to be a big mover, especially for indie teams.
Yes, the pace of innovation in lighting right now is kind of insane, but these guys are doing a good job of giving people what they want and keeping the conversation creative and thoughtful in terms of the craft, science, and business of moving pictures.
Been shooting with my own 600d pro since March and it’s the best light I’ve used. Thanks to your video I thought it would be perfect and it has been. I have been running it over 90% almost all the time so I am considering a second one eventually. Fantastic value and build quality
It’s great that you’re doing a product review packed with general learning. Fantastic video, thx.
Top notch review. I always learn so much from your videos; especially, your approach to assessing a source. Masterful.
Do check out Gaffer&Gear for a more in-depth review😉
@@meetthegaffer I did, but I appreciate the problem solving/testing in yours. Both are well done.
Ur too kind. All da best!
Luke; your stuff is always great; informative, educational and well put together.
I pre-ordered my 600D and the F10 Fresnel.... so excited to get it!
It's so nice to see the gaffer's own lighting setup!
Just got mine today, been waiting years! Gonna watch your review before further testing haha
LOL
Mine is on the way so I’m excited to watch your review!
👍🏻
hahah Waiting for your review more than the Aputure launch! got mine on pre-order!
Ha, ha! Sorry to dissappoint🤪
Great to see your review drop so quickly! 🙏🏾
Love seeing your thought process. Thanks for the in-depth videos
When you open the door, you can also use some/ bring in that negative fill on the actor from the side and cut the light, meanwhile still getting that nice reflection on the back wall. Very cool demo.
When you say "low amps" what do you mean? the Aperture website lists the 600 as pulling 8A and the Joker 800 is listed as pulling 7.5A. isn't that basically the same?
Mr. Seerveld .. you became one of my best friends .. I love your videos. I learn from you a lot in gaffering and griping.. thank you so much for all what you do for us. And please Mr. Seerveld can you teach me about light meters in general how to use it in video lighting and specific in SEKONIC (speedmaster L-858-D) Type ..
We’ll probably need to find you a better teacher! When it comes to light meters I’m afraid I’m not as well versed as I should be. If I did more long form/narrative work I think I would be more adept. I used a meter from time to time when I began gaffing while we were still shooting film, but I would lean on the DP’s knowledge. Then for the better part of twenty years we would usually have an engineer/DIT on set who would keep us in check via a waveform and vector scope, so I relied on that form of metering. In the last ten years or so, as we shifted towards larger chip sensors, every camera has become it’s own film stock, so to speak, and with LUTs applied to RAW, I’m often finding myself again leaning on the DP for their knowledge of the particular camera we’re using that day. With false color added to the mix the camera tools are more and more refined to get us where we want to be, so I’m usually using a meter more to confirm what the DP is doing. In long form I would probably work ahead more often and need to match previous set-ups, which would be a better regimen for building up my metering chops. This is all to say, it may be time to take another pass at getting a better meter reader to walk us through the basics and best practices of on-set metering. Sorry for the wandering answer🤪
Received mine. Early tests : good output, color bang on (5600K and 0 G/M); downsides are noise (fans on both the head and ballast) and I wish there was an option for a longer header cable to put that ballast further away. Oh and I had a happy surprise: it had proper lumenradio wireless DMX built in!
A longer head lead will be available soon.
Great post. I sometimes just put a disc of diffusion right over the reflector and that adds an element of softness.
I've been waiting for this video :) ....while waiting for mine to ship :)
Ha, ha! I’m sure the Gaffer & Gear episode will be more worthy of your waiting skills😌
I love how this was a lighting tutorial at the same time.
Hey Luke awesome review! Do you think you’ll invest in more of the 600d fixtures?
Yes, I am ordering a second one. Looking forward to putting two in a rabbit ears rig through a 5’ Octa😉
Hi Luke! Thanks for the awesome review! I was wondering which camera did you used to show the setup?
I mostly use cameras in the GH5 family: GH5, GH5S, GH5 II, and BGH1.
I love the fact that you set up 3 cameras and 2 switchers for this review. That's going above and beyond! Do you think we'll see a 'fire sale' of HMI 800's in the next year? I know that gaffers tend to stick with what they're most comfortable with, but adopting these brighter LED's has more upsides than downsides, I would think. Gotta say that Aputure is very responsive to the lighting communities needs. "Aputure 1K", can it be that far behind?
HMI’s are not going away, but this is the next step in terms of competition. Each technology has its downsides and fan noise can be a thing if you are in a small space. Just like the hum or high pitch whine of an HMI, these things can be dealt with, but now new tech is hurdle free:)
@@meetthegaffer I didn't hear mention of the fan noise on the 600d. How was it in your opinion?
For the output, it’s a quiet fan. I’m with a seasoned sound guy today who said he would definitely hear it in a small room but that there are ways to get it out. We all have to work together as tech marches on😬
Hey Luke, I loved your Aputure 600D video. You said it's possible to "smash" it into a window for moonlight effect? That's what I'm hoping to do: simple light on stick. Mombo Combo fully lofted, no diff. Should I remove the reflector also?
It depends what kind of area you want to hit and with what intensity. An F10 fresnel may be handy to have on hand as well to get nicer shadows. If you don’t have the fresnel available and the output is too harsh, you could see what a light diffusion like Hampshire or 1/2 soft frost does for the look near the window. Try some different things until you get what you like (or can live with😬) and report back!
@@meetthegaffer- thanks Luke, will do. I did put in a request for the F10, but I'm not sure if they will get it.
Random question, where do you buy your 6x / 8x grid cloths? Not sure which brand is best they've been generally hard to find lately. Thanks!
The Rag Place, LA Rag House, and any of the grip stores: American, Modern, Matthews, Norms, and there are other places that I am less familiar with that others may want to rep.
Awesome review. Been looking forward to this light for awhile now. Based off your personal experience, would you say the fan noise is quiet enough to do interviews in a smaller environment without it being an issue for sound department? Also, it would be nice to see results in your office with the prompter glass removed as it eats light?
I have not yet been in an optimum environment for a sound person to give me their blessing. I may have that opportunity tomorrow. If I don’t get to it tmrw, it might not be until the new year:(
been using the forza 500's waiting on the aputure 600 nice power nice color, love the aputure app
I'd love to see how those compare. I've been using the Forza 500 all year.
Head over to Gaffer&Gear on YT. Andrew does a much better job breaking down the 600 than I do and he has been working with the Forza 500 for the past year as well!
Hahaha!!!! I loved your reaction when you saw the reading of the 600D Pro. You kept saying wow. Like you were surprised a light under$2,000 can output more than a $7,000 Joker. I love the 600D and the Nova. Only two lights I take with me on my indie film locations since the pandemic. Best investments I've made since 2018. Thanks for your review. I always come to your channel for tips.
@16:42 thank you for thinking about Sound!
Without sound we’re back to silent movies😬
@@meetthegaffer without light, we're back to radio plays!
Thanks Luke! You're great!
Another nice one, Luke. Thanks!
Thank you, have a safe day /night
Luke- I always enjoy your reviews, and thanks for getting this one up so quickly. There was a question on Newsshooter about your comparison of the Joker to the 600d Pro specifically in the even-ness of the beam. I've always found the Aputure 55º reflector to have a pretty big hot spot, and a commenter felt that this test wasn't an appropriate comparison due to your finding the hot spot on the 600d with your meter. Can you comment about the differences in beam fall-off between the 600d and the J8? To see there didn't seem to be a huge difference, but the scene made it hard to tell. (My 600d comes today, but I don't own an HMI to compare it to :-)
Yes, I think I saw that discussion. It was not my intention to present an exhaustive comparison. Down the road I’m sure there will be an opportunity to compare the strength of both units throughout the breadth of the beam angle. A stage would help.
Thanks Luke! Can you possibly compare joleko vs the 600d with leko attachment?
The issue there is that the current spotlight mount is not optimized for the 600d. I used it yesterday and it was fine, but got pretty hot. At some point tho I will compare😬
Does your joker lamp head make a buzzing noise? What brand lamps do you use?
It does not make a buzzing sound. It’s been a while since I’ve purchase globes. I would just call your local Expendables dealer… or JCX Expendables in San Francisco, they’ll steer you in the right direction.
@@meetthegaffer I changed the lamp, using Koto now and that solved the problem, I can hear very little from 5 inches away(igniter). That Osram lamp was loud! K5600 said sometimes it is indeed the lamp batch. The only thing I hear is a slight high pitch from the ballast, but seems normal
Great video and thanks for doing it! Curious if you have any experience with the Forza 500 and can comment on experience with both. Thanks!
I do not. Andrew Lock of Gaffer & Gear might be able to speak to this...
@@meetthegaffer Thanks so much!
Great video as usual! Keep rocking. It will be super cool if you will surprised us with some "Aputure setup" to see how to combine 600d pro with 300d II and 120d. Aputure 600d pro is first Aputure light with 5600K, all others are 5500K. Some reviews also mentioned that 600d pro is a little bit more magenta... so it will be great if we can see all LS aputure light in action all together. We need real story and real action and you are one of the best !
Ha, ha!
@@meetthegaffer We are super serious. We are a big fan of your videos!!! :)
All good! I appreciate you. I’m definitely using more Aputure units on a regular basis, but I’m almost always mixing in units from other manufacturers:) I’m also kind of hack, so if two units are 100-200 Kelvin different from each other, I’m not necessarily correcting that. If a unit is too green or too magenta, I’ll correct it, but I’m not as picky about every little thing as you might think. I think we are very fortunate to have manufacturers who are so on top of their color science as much as Kinoflo, Quasar Science, and Aputure are. That attention to detail helps us all relax a little and spend more time being creative with our lighting. All the best in your work!
@@meetthegaffer thanks for the reply! yes, we totally agree with you. It's not about equipment, it's about creativity and ideas... :) Keep doing great reviews and videos! #cometothebrightside :)
Thanks Luke. This unit with the leko attachment has potential .. I see this a a good alt to a joleko 800. Do you know if the leko attachments I have for my 300 D's will fit the 600D??
It will fit, it’s just not optimized for the larger emitter. I used it in that config today. The spotlight mount got pretty hot. It was not being used with a pattern, so I did not take the time to check the sharpness. Still discovering....
@@meetthegaffer Love to hear from the manufacturer.......
They are very aware... but in the end it is still a numbers game😬
Do you think by adding the 2x Fresnel that would get it close to the joker?
The fresnel will actually intensify the light and produce more output, as I understand it. Looking forward to playing with it.
The 2x fresnel is not compatible as it gets too hot. You need the new F10 to use with the 600d
Right... sorry, I was referring to the F10 not 2X.
@@cagf2013 Oh that's right. :)
I'm curious if the joker 800 2 is brighter with the joker 2 beamer and medium par lens?
It’s possible! For some reason, once I got used to the M18 and M8, I didn’t want to go back to swapping out lenses, so I was thrilled when K5600 came out with the Zoom beamer. I have a joker 2 400, but my 800 is the original style. I may have the Beamer and lenses hiding somewhere, but not sure where. Someone else may need to run that test. I’m not a pixel peeper, if you know what I mean... I just want to know if I can use units together or interchangeably and go from there.
@@meetthegaffer I hear you. Thank you for your time:)
Luke, how is the fan noise? the beam from on the unit looks soft comper to 800, does it have the same feeling as a sun coming through windows? how many Amp does it need at %100 if it's 15amp if I'm not mistaken I believe Joker is 7.5 Amp?
The fan is present, but in most situations will not be an issue. In a tight, quiet space you will need to determine whether the sound person has the skill and tools to deal with it or your post people can handle it. Fans are a simple fact of life for high intensity LEDs. If we want the capabilities and flexibility that LEDs provide production, we will need to accommodate their fans.
I cannot say whether the quality of the light compares favorably to sunlight coming through a window. With a few grip tools I’m confident you could make it act the part of streaming sunshine.
I measured the wattage draw when I first got the light. At full output it was just above 700 watts, if I remember correctly. I believe the 15 amps is a designation for the battery charging function of the controller... but I could be mistaken.
Hope that helps.
@@meetthegaffer Thank you so much 👍
Thank you, Luke for this very good test of this new Aperture light. By the way, how many amps does it pull at its maximum setting?
Wattage wise it’s around 700watts. So in terms of paper amps it would be 7, but probably less than that in true amps.
@@meetthegaffer That's an incredibly small amount of power for such a bright light! Thanks for sharing! 'Wish we had them back in the day; I shutter to think how many fuses I blew over a lifetime thinking I was plugging into a 20 amp circuit, only to fine it was 15. My bad!
I’m with you there! We still have that with M18’s, but so many units now allow you to be much less careful about where you are plugging in when using house power.
@@meetthegaffer Thanks for your speedy reply; I do so much appreciate your channel and your knowledge!
What v mount battery do you use for the 600d?
Surprisingly I have not run those on batts. If I did I would probably use 2x 26V batts. It may not get full output, but those are the largest v-mounts I have. May need this set up tmrw. If it happens, I’ll report back🙂
@@meetthegaffer thanks a lot which ones do you have?
FX Lion (orange) and Nanlite
@@meetthegaffer thanks for the info. I might as well get a power source for the price of those
I think you're not getting that cut because your diffusion is hanging too low. There would normally only be dark ground that low which wouldn't reflect much light, but the diffusion down there is filling in the top part of your back wall. I like seeing you geek out about lighting. What was the boom stand you were using in the images at the beginning?
The menace arm was a Matthews and the stand was a Matthews panel stand.
Do you use EDLT lenses on your jolekos or standard? They say the EDLT lens can increase output by 10-20% and the beam is cleaner. Waiting on mine to arrive :)
I have a few EDLT barrels, but it just depends how many units are in use and which barrels are need… so sometimes yes and sometimes no😊
@@meetthegaffer I see. I have a 50 degree but seems like it does not work as well, there is a very obvious hotspot. I think distance improves it a bit. Is the beam more even with the EDLT lenses? I’ll find out soon enough.
I believe the series 3 units that are out now are changed again… not sure I’ll be wading in to those just yet.
@@meetthegaffer I see, one last q, you worrry about uv light? Since the beaker is removed when converting to a joleko, I wonder how much uv those lenses block, can’t seem to find much online
@@w500nm I don’t know how much the lenses block either, but they are not often aimed at people, so I’m OK with this use case.
Is it equivalent x10 to halogen lamps? led 600 watt ~ halo 6000 watts? or kinda ~4k watts?
No. Probably closer to a 2000 watt tungsten:)
Lovely Luke!
Nice video sir. Well done.
That’s amazing and that output reading is not even with the f10 fresnel mount.
Right?! Crazy.
Random question - What cheaper light meter do you recommend?
There is always the original analog Sekonic L398 III. I think it’s like $200. But also check out the Cine Meter II app... for an iphone app it is quite impressive as a way to get a relative meter reading for exposure and color.
@@meetthegaffergood to know! Do you mind me asking what light meter you were wielding in the episode?
Sekonic Speedmaster L858D-U
Had an Orbiter on preorder for over a year. I dont need colors. The fact that the 600d an be controlled directly from an iphone and is only 2k was enough for me to cancel my arri preorder.
Makes sense.
Late to this party.. we are just speccing up a job (int with a light or two poking through the windows from ext) and my 'trad' DP is just not interested in these lights as they cannot be left out in the rain ( he thinks), a bit of rain/drizzle - which happens a lot in the uk - means we must stop shooting which is costly with talent, mua, camera and others in the rented location, he considers the led too much of a risk to the schedule. Do you have comment on the IP ratings of this vs a joker or 1.2 hmi - because he in fact may be very correct in his thoughts.
I’m not a lot of help, because I don’t spend a lot time in harsher weather environments. Not sure where IP54 fits into your DP’s comfort zone, but the 600d Pro is trying to be a unit that can be embraced by those who work in the elements. If I understand correctly, this is more about the head and less about the ballast, which it seems to me would be true of HMI’s as well. Often the best way to change someone’s POV is to bring a new unit on a job and preview it in a real environment while surrounded by all the regular instruments that exude comfort and reliability🙂 All the best!
@@meetthegaffer these are ip 54? that sounds quite usable - uk delers do not show that spec. Im not experienced in leaving electrical devices out in the rain either (!) but I can see that for a bigger setup (feature size) it might not be practical to break your setup if the sky goes dark. This dp has done some feature/truck genny work wheras I have not.
Yes, getting a wide range of experience in all kinds of weather is very worthwhile so you know how to prepare for a safe and productive shoot.
Thank you!
Thanks
How did the beam angle compare to the joker in that test?
As I recall, they were similar; beyond that I would be speculating. Because I am usually using open units through a modifier/softener, I don’t think about beam angle very often... until I’m using an intensifier like a fresnel or ellipsoidal lens.
@@meetthegaffer Hi, if I understand the Joker was on maximum flood mode (not on spot mode)? Thanks
Correct. Not an apples to apples comparison... a point I tried to make.
@@meetthegaffer thanks! But even if you're bouncing the beam can make a difference. If your filling the bounce or diffusion you'll have to adjust the distance of the light depending on the beam.
The beam angle is so critical in a 'test' of this nature - I think the simples thing is to measure maybe three points across the back wall. The Joker could easily be the same power, or a stop or two more. Andrew Locks vid on the 1200HMII vs forza 500 was completely flawed by a lack of investigation of beam angle as once he started bouncing the 1200 it bacame magically brighter thant the 500. As you, Luke, dont 'think' think beam angle you could also fill a 8.8 and test the light output from that ?
(Mando voice) I gotta get one of those
Ha, ha!
this is the way.
I know this is going to sound like Aperture is made in China crap. But that Joker/Joker Bug Combo is a tank. I can say on par with Mole Richardson. They're built like Tanks. And for an busy industry house that is weary of LEDs, I can't say Aperture is there yet. Maybe great for TH-camrs in the way a Sony ASIII is a great camera for TH-camrs and sure if you find a client that doesn't mind (and most don't or can't tell the difference). A Joker with a Mole Tweenie is still an unbeatable combo. And they're so cheap on the secondary market.
Totally get it. LEDs are computers, so it requires a little different mindset towards handling. Easy to say, but hard to do. You have to go with what works for you and the people who hire/rent from you. No one solution fits all situations.
Nice but...I'm sticking with my tungsten lights until they die or bulbs become too expensive or not available. =D For those that can use it have fun with it!
You don't mind having to use a generator for anything substantial?
@@DaCarnival I'm a stills shooter and a casual video guy. A generator isn't required for for what do.
No barn doors or Fresnel is a shame.
There's barn doors on the fresnel. Saw it in their live stream
They're separate accessories. Fresnel, barn doors, lanterns, even leko with different lenses.
You may already know but they are making them both; the Aputure F10 and F10 Barn doors. They are a true 10" glass and looks promising but they are not shipping yet.
@@jeremeyshelton many thanks. I have seen them in some videos from a year ago but no word on when they will be available probably means not for 6 months plus.
@@RChildVision many thanks. I have seen them in some videos from a year ago but no word on when they will be available probably means not for 6 months plus.
Thanks