Actually, Go-Bots, which are now a part of Transformers, exist in the MCU. Drax's cousin was killed by a Go-Bot, as noted in the Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special.
@jessedub Hasbro acquired the rights to the franchise years ago (I think in the late 80s?). Since, they've been making new appearances in various Transformers stories, with Crasher in particular not only getting a recurring role in the IDW 2019 comic universe, but new mass retail figures figures. Other Gobots have gotten new online exclusives, like Road Ranger, for example. Hell, Bug Bite even made it back onto television in two separate shows, those being Earthrise and Cyberverse. There was even a new Go-Bots comic that VERY strongly implied that they were the ancestors of the Cybertronians, to the point of explicitly depicting Starscream as being built from the remains of Leader-1 and Cy-Kill.
Actually Go-bots was a invention of American Company Hanna Barbara the original name from Bandi was Machine Robo or Macharobo also Transformers Micronauts and The Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior were all versions of Micro Man/Micro Change toys from Japan.
Another wrinkle that came out after this video: the GoBots are mentioned in The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special not as toys but as an alien species that killed Drax's cousin. Hasbro owns GoBots and they have been worked into the Transformers canon several times, sometimes as the predecessors to the Transformers.
Do I remember the future comic of heroes and Rhino mak8ng last stand against Deaths Head 2? I had this book in the 90’s but lost it when my stash got got.
For the sake of completeness, the original 1984 run of *_The Transformers_* actually _did_ feature several Marvel-616 characters in the story _"Prisoner Of War!"_ [US #3, UK #5 & #6] - mainly the brand-new black-suited version of Spider-Man fresh out of *_Secret Wars (1984),_* but also (for one panel only) Nick Fury and Dum Dum Dugan mentioning their recent encounter with the then-also-licenced-by-Marvel-and-also-in-the-616 property Godzilla (...so he _did_ end up being tied in as well!). Also, when Shockwave and the Dinobots were introduced in the following issue/s in the story _"The Last Stand!"_ [US #4, UK #7 & #8], their origin flashback with the tar pit took place in the Savage Land (because the writers had to cover for the fact that 'Wave and the Ark had both canonically crashed on Earth "4 million years ago" but the dinosaurs were all extinct by then, so they had the probe find the downed Decepticon in the Savage Land and model the Dinobots on the local fauna because live dinosaurs were still preserved there in the 616 universe - ironically, keeping it canon with the rest of the Marvel landscape at the time). Marvel later retconned the whole "Transformers exist in the main continuity" thing after a change in company policy shortly after that and broke the UK and US comics off into their own separate numbered universes (I can't remember the numbers offhand, but I know they're both 6+ digits), but it still stands for the first few issues of the run as one of those awkward "we printed it and can't take those issues back" canon boo-boos where they just keep quiet about it and hope you forget it ever happened. But we crotchety elders, with our thinning hair and our AOL email addresses and our Zimmer frames who were there reading the comics at the time of publication, _we_ still remember - oh _yesss..._ And finally, Circuit Breaker appeared for about two pages after that in an issue of *_Secret Wars II_* [US #3, UK #45] talking to The Beyonder in the _same month_ she first appeared in *_The Transformers_* (in a move similar to Death's Head's first appearance in a one-page UK-only strip called _"High Noon Tex!"_ so Marvel could retain the rights instead of handing them over to Hasbro - which is why I seem to remember they were very careful to use the word _"mechanoid"_ instead of _"Transformer"_ in both cases). Then later in that same issue, after talking to Circuit Breaker, The Beyonder destroyed the whole of existence and remade it all over again... so maybe _that's_ when the Transformers universes diverged in-continuity? lol
Death's Head II wasn't a future version of Death's Head. He was a cyborg called Minion created in the future by AIM, it traveled to the past to assimilate the skills and abilities of various people and creatures. When it assimilated Death's Head he was able to become the dominate personality and took over the body.
Yes, I'm aware of his origins. I've read most of his comics. For the sake of brevity I chose to dumb it down, because otherwise the video would've wound up being even MORE complicated than it already was.
I want it to be noted that Doctor who or at least Galifrey is more than just connected via deaths head. Captain Brittain fights a group of super Galifreyans. What’s super wild about this is whoever wrote that comic was clearly in the know about doctor who lore because they mention Looms which is a whole big thing and a deep cut for the series
You're right and wrong at the same time. To clarify: Yes, Captain Britain fought a group of super Gallifreyans, the Special Executive, and yes, the person who wrote that comic did know about Doctor Who lore. That was Alan Moore, and the proof that he knew Doctor Who lore is that he originally created the Executive for stories in Doctor Who Monthly, and those same stories tied together details about Omega and Rassilon, who up till then had only been mentioned in two separate Doctor Who TV stories produced years apart. In an era prior to being able to easy access to rewatching old episodes or checking details online, Moore took apparently conflicting threads from old stories (which had cited two unrelated individuals as being responsible for giving the Gallifreyans time travel) and made them fit together - so definitely someone who knew the lore. However, Moore's stories only had the Executive working for the Gallifreyans, without establishing their origins. At that point they didn't mention the Looms, not least because the Loom concept hadn't been invented (that came in the 1990s with the Virgin New Adventures novels). The Executive's origins came later, when a Doctor Who novel writer, Lance Parkin, used them in a story for a charity anthology - Parkin was the one who established that they hadn't just worked for the Gallifreyans, but that they WERE Gallifreyans, born from the Looms. And though this was revealed in a non-Marvel publication, Marvel accepted it as canon, subsequently mentioning that the Executive were Gallifreyans.
"Friendship is magic, more like-" I thought you were gonna say "Friendship is tragic" lol In all seriousness though, AMAZING video. Really went in depth with a well-put message at the end. You outdid yourself!
Oh my god "friendship is tragic" is so much better Also, thank you! It definitely took a while to get this video where I wanted it, but I'm glad it paid off!
Many decades ago when writing my complete Marvel G1 Transformers timelines breakdown, I wrote a basic outline and did some art for a "Transformers: 616" story which basically ran with the idea that the original Marvel G1 run was canonically within the 616 universe right up to "The next best thing to being there", when the transmission was sent to Cybertron, with Circuit Breaker killing all the Transformers on Earth, preventing the rest of the events of the Transformers comics from proceeding.
This video and by extension this channel is really underrated! I absolutely enjoyed this video and I love the topic of crossovers, so much so that I've always wanted to write for them
Gotta love that Marvel UKs solution to a confusing, potentially expensive licensing situation was to... create another confusing, potentially expensive licensing situation.
Just rewatched this and I can't believe you didn't mention Bonjaxx's birthday party where the doctor takes death's head with him and they canonically meet Bart Simpson, Darth Vader, Conan the barbarian, Worf, the Thunderbirds, sapphire and steel, multiple marvel characters, multiple doctor who monsters and a future version of the doctor, who reveals the true name of the doctor to be Fred. That one is a hell of a comic.
decided to revisit this after watching your review of marvel legends death's head, and while this is a *fantastic* (if unhinged) video, my favorite part was 4:27 when waltz no. 2 started playing as background music. one of my favorite memories of concert band was when our band teacher introduced us to waltz no. 2, both to play it, and also to teach us about the historical significance of the piece, why it was written, etc. it's unironically become one of my favorite pieces of music because of all this (i evem made a whole presentation on it in one of my classes last year), so hearing it here was just sorta the icing on the cake. it really adds to insanity unfolding! (13:38 is also really good lol. "scooby doo has crossed over with *star wars!*") ((and now, because of this whole side tangent i've gone off on, i wonder how death's head can be connected to soviet russia. hmm... much to think about))
This is such a treat to watch! I've been collecting a handful of Death's Head comics to bind into my own homemade graphic novel, so i can complete my Doctor Who comic collection. I hope you make more videos about Doctor Who stuff, I would love to hear your opinions on whatever you'd feel like talking about
THE FUCKING CHRIS PRATT CROSSOVER LMAO really good video, Death's Head is a very Cool Guy with a sick helmet, good for him for being able to exist in so many different universes
Small correction. The Doctor did not drop Death's Head on top of the Baxter Building, because at that time the Baxter Building had been destroyed (it's since been rebuilt) and the Fantastic Four were based out of Four Freedoms Plaza - identifiable by the massive number 4s on the side of the top floors. Oh, and Death's Head showed up in Marvel UK's Real Ghostbusters comic.
I always thought hmmm wouldn't it have been fun for Columbo to work on case with Quincy, they were both a Homicide detective and a coroner who operated in LA in the '70s-'80s.
And then, AND THEN, on top of ALL OF THAT, there is Fortnite. Fortnite. Fortnite has crossed over with half the stuff up there on that wall. Edit: AND THEN. AAAAND THEN! THE MCU HAS THE *AUDACITY* TO MAKE GOBOTS CANNON. Context: The 2022 Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special features a scene where Drax and Mantis are walking through Hollywood and see several cosplayers. One of which, being Cy-kill (confirming that the Gobots exist at least as a toyline). Drax sees him, and mistakes him for an actual Gobot, and threatens to kill him. Mantis instantly realises this and tries to explain by saying "No no no sorry Gobots killed his cousin." which also confirms that there is a sentient race of transforming robots called the "Gobots" that just exists in the MCU. And because of the way that the Transformers multiverse works (with the multiversal clusters, one of which being the Gobots), the MCU is officially contained in the transformers multiverse, meaning that the entire marvel multiverse is inside the transformers multiverse.
As someone deeply obsessed with documenting crossovers, I love videos like these. Both because I often learn of crossovers I've never heard of, and I like seeing how different people react to the weird interconnected web. Anyway, here's a couple of my favorite little connections. In Mario Maker one costume powerup let's Mario become Shaun the Sheep (a spinoff of Wallace and Gromit). Mortal Kombat 11's Spawn crossover references both Spawn's and Raiden's adventures with DC A device from 2001 A Space Odyssey appears in Watto's junkyark in Star Wars Episode 1. I particularly like this one because it seems to get overlooked for the ET easter egg instead
Great video! DH is my favourite comic's character, having read him from the get-go back in the late 80's as a young lad addicted to the UK Transformers comic and into his own series onwards, and loved this deep dive into his crossover history. And I did laugh at the brief "DH2 sucked" comment! OG all the way! I take it the Capcom logo that was on the far left of your connection board was him appearing in Strider Hiryu's ending in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom? THAT was a nice surprise, though would have been much better to have him as a playable character. TF did originally seem to be part of 616 when the comic started btw, there was the symbiote-suited Spider-Man very early on (issue 4, I think of the US run?). The Savage Land also made a few appearances during prehistoric times and modern timelines, where the Dinobots fought Shockwave and ended up in the tar pits, until Ratchet resurrected them. As an eternal comics fan, this is the stuff that stays in your brain decades later when your proper work training just falls out of your ears the week after your did the course....
Oh it wasn't the Baxter building, it was Four Freedoms Plaza, the old Baxter Building was blown up in space by an imposter Doctor Doom who was actually a little boy called Kristoff with Dooms memories.
@@willgillies5670 Yeah, that one's my bad. I got so focused on the DH side of the story that it just flat-out never occurred to me to double-check and make sure it was actually the Baxter Building. (Doesn't help that I just flat-out always forget Four Freedoms Plaza was a thing)
Death's Head is one of Marvel's best kept secrets, yes? He's a favorite of mine too. Love the video and love the simple fact that someone else is showing the best Freelance Peacekeeping Agent there is some respect. And you should give Death's Head II another chance. DH2 and his partner Tuck are awesome too, yes? Dan Abnett and Liam Sharp's work is great.
also, how many time did he fake his death? I swear, except for a couple times, he was either hit and went down, or was in the area of a mass-destruction shot!
Maybe I missed it, but was it mentioned how the Doctor shrunk Death's Head down from Transformer size down to human size using the Master's Tissue Compression eliminator? That' s pretty important!
While I already knew a fait bit in regards to the Death's Hand fiasco, at least in relation to Transformers, quite a bit of this extra information was rather interesting.
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Of course, I have that Marvel Legends DH figure alongside all my Transformers figures - and also the 7th doctor figure. I'm still looking for a decent iron man or maybe Reed richards or something to go with them. (for super cheap)
such a great video glad to have stumbled upon your channel this video serves as a nice reminder that canon at the end of the day does not really matter and it's just a marketing thing lol. its what matters to one that's really important
Still waiting on a Deadpool / Death's Head crossover because who wouldn't love a merc with the mouth / freelance peacekeeper buddy comic / film... it'd be absurd and fun at a whole new level!
Death's Head wasn't "jumping between universes". Traveling "only" in time, he encountered She-Hulk, Fantastic Four and Iron Man...and in the future the characters of Dogbolter, Keepsake and Vulture, who were all part of Doctor Who. In a Fantastic Four/Avengers crossover, Death's Head appears, and Richards recognizes him. It was all (Marvel, Doctor Who, Death's Head, Dragons Claws) clearly the same "universe". Only when Marvel UK lost the rights to Doctor Who, and Panini picked them up, was it ever suggested that they weren't the same.
Not sure about that, as it was quite a bit before that when Marvel decided that having Transformers in 616 was too complicated. So by extension, when DH was fighting Transformers he couldn't have been in the "main" Marvel universe.
@@milton75 In 1993 there was the "Incomplete Death's Head". It was stated there that Death's Head's adventures had taken place across three universes.. 1. The Transformers universe 2. The Body in Question universe 3. Everything else(Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Doctor Who, Dragons Claws etc.) had all taken place in the same universe. Again, when Marvel UK lost the Doctor Who comic rights, this fact receded into the background. In later years some people spent far too much time trying to "explain away" the story "Time Bomb!"
There's a few crossovers you don't even mention in this video. I'm not going to touch on the broader connections because this comment would get WAY too long and it'd give me a head ache but I'll focus on the main 3 Death's Head directly appeared in. There's a rather famous comic book cover which featured a Black Suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. This was during the original Marvel run when they still owned the license for Transformers. There's also the Transformers Marvel crossover toy line which I personally don't really like. The Ironman toys from that run are pretty good and I could actually picture Tony making giant transforming mechas like that but all the other characters don't make any sense. They weirdly just transform into the character and not a robot which is another reason why Ironman kind of works since he kind of looks like a robot anyway. In fact in most continuities before the MCU version Ironman's identity wasn't known to the public and people actually were made to think that Ironman was a robot. Only members of the Avengers and those who worked closely with Tony like Rhodey were aware that there was actually a person in an armored suit, everyone else believed Ironman was an AI. Another reason the toys don't really work is that they usually pick the most random vehicles for them to transform into. There are a few exceptions but some of the most famous recognizable vehicles from Marvel comics still don't have Transformers toys but there are made up vehicles that have never been in any comic that are Transformers like Spider-man's car and Motorcycle... his famous vehicles in his colors that he has never used EVER! But at least there's a Transforming Venom toy to tie back to that comic of black suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. Too bad they didn't think to make it a Megatron wearing the Venom symbiote instead of a random car. You didn't mention the fact that Death's Head was originally Cybertronian sized and the Doctor actually shrunk him down to human size. The Doctor has actually been to Cybertron during that crossover and there are multiple other Doctor Who references in Transformers. Transformers have always been bigger in the inside, see The Transformers The Movie from 1986 specifically the scene where Astrotrain some how manages to fit the entire Decepticon army inside him including having enough room for the Constructicons to form Devastator despite the combiner being 6 times larger than Astrotrain's entire body. It's implied that Cybertron some how obtained this technology from the Doctor. It's never explicitly stated exactly how or why the exchange was made but this oddity of Tranformers being bigger on the inside like the TARDIS was not a thing in the comics until after the Doctor had appeared on Cybertron. There's a Decepticon in Transformers named Octus who literally transforms in a Dalek. There's a comic where Starscream seems to be picking up radio signals from U.N.I.T. talking about the Doctor. And certain transformers characters have used holomatter avatars to appear human appearing as different incarnations of the Doctor in their disguises. I could also mention while there's nothing officially stating these two are the same character... I believe that Quickshadow from Transformers Rescue Bots is literally River Song. Both characters are known to have multiple aliases. We never hear any examples of other aliases Quickshadow has used but it's mentioned in her first appearance that's not her real name and only Optimus is aware of her true identity. It's never shared what her actual name is. I think this could have been part of the deal made where the Doctor traded Time Lord Technology in exchange for an blank body that didn't have a spark. River Song's consciousness was saved as a digital copy in the Library so instead of having a Spark like other Transformers Quickshadow may very well have that Digital conciousness inside her and that's why her real name is such a guarded secret, because she's not a real cybertronian. Both characters are also portrayed by Alex Kingston. On and Clara Oswald was seen playing with a G1 Galvatron toy in the Crimson Horror but Doctor Who has also mentioned other franchises as fiction in that universe despite crossing over with them. Also the Doctor can travel between universes it's just very difficult. It's happened a few times but he does mention every time it's happened that the TARDIS isn't meant to be able to do that.
Deaths head was in a movie: The Tranaformers character Lockdown was heavily based on Death's Head. And lockdown was the lead villain of Tranaformers 4. Food for thought.
You know, I thought the consensus was that Death's head was this forgotten Transformers villan that was stolen by marvel. But apparently not, he's the reason for the pop culture super multiversal conundrum. All though, it's technically Hot Rods fault, god dammit Hot Rod, First off he second degree murdered Optimus in the 1986 Cartoon, and now he second degree caused this shit storm. *Sigh*
7:06 Incorporating elements of something into something else, doesn't count as a crossover. Barb Wire and Foodfight Incorporate elements of Cassablanka. They are not crossovers.
10:40 Elpasos was the planet we first see Death's Head in Transformers UK #113. New Avengers /Transformers takes place on Earth -7642 also known in DC comics as Crossover Earth where the majority of the Marvel / DC take place.
all stories are bound by a single universal reality, real life. All stories are made in this world and are connected by the storytellers. Human existence is the tale that binds us all
Deaths head 1990’s AWESOME COMIC Future,Rhino,Punisher,SteveRogers,Daredevil,Wolverine and Spider-Man Make a last stand against DH.. Wolverines claw chips on DH head... Man Future dark Rhino and Spider-Man looked awesome.
I just saw your video here and I'm going to throw a deaths head sized spanner into the works sorry but long before DH appeared in transformers uk marvel uk confirmed the transformation & G I Joe and the main marvel universe wear all in the 616 universe spider-men teamed up with gears in issue no 3 then the transformers had a encounter with ACTION FORCE the uk branch of G I JOE so all three are on earth 616
Should've mentioned our universe and how it connects to all those other universes because our universe has the ability to come up with possibly existing universes, and by relation to the multiverse, our universe is related to death's head.
Quite the conundrum, yes?
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Actually, Go-Bots, which are now a part of Transformers, exist in the MCU. Drax's cousin was killed by a Go-Bot, as noted in the Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special.
When did Go-bots become part of the transformers?
@jessedub Hasbro acquired the rights to the franchise years ago (I think in the late 80s?). Since, they've been making new appearances in various Transformers stories, with Crasher in particular not only getting a recurring role in the IDW 2019 comic universe, but new mass retail figures figures. Other Gobots have gotten new online exclusives, like Road Ranger, for example. Hell, Bug Bite even made it back onto television in two separate shows, those being Earthrise and Cyberverse. There was even a new Go-Bots comic that VERY strongly implied that they were the ancestors of the Cybertronians, to the point of explicitly depicting Starscream as being built from the remains of Leader-1 and Cy-Kill.
Actually Go-bots was a invention of American Company Hanna Barbara the original name from Bandi was Machine Robo or Macharobo also Transformers Micronauts and The Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior were all versions of Micro Man/Micro Change toys from Japan.
Another wrinkle that came out after this video: the GoBots are mentioned in The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special not as toys but as an alien species that killed Drax's cousin. Hasbro owns GoBots and they have been worked into the Transformers canon several times, sometimes as the predecessors to the Transformers.
As someone that loves Death's Head. I'm so happy this video exists, and proves he should be in Multiverse of Madness
We can wish
Do I remember the future comic of heroes and Rhino mak8ng last stand against Deaths Head 2?
I had this book in the 90’s but lost it when my stash got got.
Yeah he was fighting Abattoir
Charnel that was the name
For the sake of completeness, the original 1984 run of *_The Transformers_* actually _did_ feature several Marvel-616 characters in the story _"Prisoner Of War!"_ [US #3, UK #5 & #6] - mainly the brand-new black-suited version of Spider-Man fresh out of *_Secret Wars (1984),_* but also (for one panel only) Nick Fury and Dum Dum Dugan mentioning their recent encounter with the then-also-licenced-by-Marvel-and-also-in-the-616 property Godzilla (...so he _did_ end up being tied in as well!).
Also, when Shockwave and the Dinobots were introduced in the following issue/s in the story _"The Last Stand!"_ [US #4, UK #7 & #8], their origin flashback with the tar pit took place in the Savage Land (because the writers had to cover for the fact that 'Wave and the Ark had both canonically crashed on Earth "4 million years ago" but the dinosaurs were all extinct by then, so they had the probe find the downed Decepticon in the Savage Land and model the Dinobots on the local fauna because live dinosaurs were still preserved there in the 616 universe - ironically, keeping it canon with the rest of the Marvel landscape at the time).
Marvel later retconned the whole "Transformers exist in the main continuity" thing after a change in company policy shortly after that and broke the UK and US comics off into their own separate numbered universes (I can't remember the numbers offhand, but I know they're both 6+ digits), but it still stands for the first few issues of the run as one of those awkward "we printed it and can't take those issues back" canon boo-boos where they just keep quiet about it and hope you forget it ever happened.
But we crotchety elders, with our thinning hair and our AOL email addresses and our Zimmer frames who were there reading the comics at the time of publication, _we_ still remember - oh _yesss..._
And finally, Circuit Breaker appeared for about two pages after that in an issue of *_Secret Wars II_* [US #3, UK #45] talking to The Beyonder in the _same month_ she first appeared in *_The Transformers_* (in a move similar to Death's Head's first appearance in a one-page UK-only strip called _"High Noon Tex!"_ so Marvel could retain the rights instead of handing them over to Hasbro - which is why I seem to remember they were very careful to use the word _"mechanoid"_ instead of _"Transformer"_ in both cases). Then later in that same issue, after talking to Circuit Breaker, The Beyonder destroyed the whole of existence and remade it all over again... so maybe _that's_ when the Transformers universes diverged in-continuity? lol
circuit breacker is a wast tho, she has never been used after that, and we had many, many chances for her to return
Transformers US / G.I. Joe was Earth-91274.
Transformers UK / Action Force was Earth-120185
Complicating things further is that Circuit Breaker's human identity debuted in a Transformers comic before she became Circuit Breaker.
She convinced him to destroy the Transformers and recreate time without them. So in Earth-616, Circuit Breaker won.
Death's Head II wasn't a future version of Death's Head. He was a cyborg called Minion created in the future by AIM, it traveled to the past to assimilate the skills and abilities of various people and creatures. When it assimilated Death's Head he was able to become the dominate personality and took over the body.
Yes, I'm aware of his origins. I've read most of his comics. For the sake of brevity I chose to dumb it down, because otherwise the video would've wound up being even MORE complicated than it already was.
Death’s Head has always been one of my favourite continuity rabbit holes, so seeing it explained in this way was fantastic! Great video!
I want it to be noted that Doctor who or at least Galifrey is more than just connected via deaths head. Captain Brittain fights a group of super Galifreyans. What’s super wild about this is whoever wrote that comic was clearly in the know about doctor who lore because they mention Looms which is a whole big thing and a deep cut for the series
You're right and wrong at the same time. To clarify: Yes, Captain Britain fought a group of super Gallifreyans, the Special Executive, and yes, the person who wrote that comic did know about Doctor Who lore. That was Alan Moore, and the proof that he knew Doctor Who lore is that he originally created the Executive for stories in Doctor Who Monthly, and those same stories tied together details about Omega and Rassilon, who up till then had only been mentioned in two separate Doctor Who TV stories produced years apart. In an era prior to being able to easy access to rewatching old episodes or checking details online, Moore took apparently conflicting threads from old stories (which had cited two unrelated individuals as being responsible for giving the Gallifreyans time travel) and made them fit together - so definitely someone who knew the lore. However, Moore's stories only had the Executive working for the Gallifreyans, without establishing their origins. At that point they didn't mention the Looms, not least because the Loom concept hadn't been invented (that came in the 1990s with the Virgin New Adventures novels). The Executive's origins came later, when a Doctor Who novel writer, Lance Parkin, used them in a story for a charity anthology - Parkin was the one who established that they hadn't just worked for the Gallifreyans, but that they WERE Gallifreyans, born from the Looms. And though this was revealed in a non-Marvel publication, Marvel accepted it as canon, subsequently mentioning that the Executive were Gallifreyans.
"Friendship is magic, more like-" I thought you were gonna say "Friendship is tragic" lol
In all seriousness though, AMAZING video. Really went in depth with a well-put message at the end. You outdid yourself!
Oh my god "friendship is tragic" is so much better
Also, thank you! It definitely took a while to get this video where I wanted it, but I'm glad it paid off!
Death's Head needs to appear in a Rise of the Beasts sequel and then appear in the MCU to connect both IPs in a fun and weird way simultaneously.
Even Scooby doo has Crossovers with Scooby doo,
And with The Addams Family
And even Supernatural!
Many decades ago when writing my complete Marvel G1 Transformers timelines breakdown, I wrote a basic outline and did some art for a "Transformers: 616" story which basically ran with the idea that the original Marvel G1 run was canonically within the 616 universe right up to "The next best thing to being there", when the transmission was sent to Cybertron, with Circuit Breaker killing all the Transformers on Earth, preventing the rest of the events of the Transformers comics from proceeding.
This video and by extension this channel is really underrated! I absolutely enjoyed this video and I love the topic of crossovers, so much so that I've always wanted to write for them
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Gotta love that Marvel UKs solution to a confusing, potentially expensive licensing situation was to... create another confusing, potentially expensive licensing situation.
the gaurdians of the galaxy christmas special has confirmed go bots exist in the mcu and go bots characters have appeared often in trasformers media
So I go to Carol's office and guess what?
There's no Carol!!!
Just rewatched this and I can't believe you didn't mention Bonjaxx's birthday party where the doctor takes death's head with him and they canonically meet Bart Simpson, Darth Vader, Conan the barbarian, Worf, the Thunderbirds, sapphire and steel, multiple marvel characters, multiple doctor who monsters and a future version of the doctor, who reveals the true name of the doctor to be Fred. That one is a hell of a comic.
I think you broke my brain with this video lol.
I'm honestly shocked I've never heard of this character until you started working on this video
Where you been?
I’m surprised that I didn’t see the bionicle and dc comic connection
decided to revisit this after watching your review of marvel legends death's head, and while this is a *fantastic* (if unhinged) video, my favorite part was 4:27 when waltz no. 2 started playing as background music.
one of my favorite memories of concert band was when our band teacher introduced us to waltz no. 2, both to play it, and also to teach us about the historical significance of the piece, why it was written, etc. it's unironically become one of my favorite pieces of music because of all this (i evem made a whole presentation on it in one of my classes last year), so hearing it here was just sorta the icing on the cake. it really adds to insanity unfolding!
(13:38 is also really good lol. "scooby doo has crossed over with *star wars!*")
((and now, because of this whole side tangent i've gone off on, i wonder how death's head can be connected to soviet russia. hmm... much to think about))
Thanks! That's a wild coincidence! Honestly, DH would probably HATE Soviet Russia, but literally JUST because of his obsession with money.
This is such a treat to watch! I've been collecting a handful of Death's Head comics to bind into my own homemade graphic novel, so i can complete my Doctor Who comic collection. I hope you make more videos about Doctor Who stuff, I would love to hear your opinions on whatever you'd feel like talking about
I’m so happy that logo decided to make a big eyed mini Towa in a celebration set because it led me to your channel and your fantastic content.
THE FUCKING CHRIS PRATT CROSSOVER LMAO
really good video, Death's Head is a very Cool Guy with a sick helmet, good for him for being able to exist in so many different universes
How does the greatest video on youtube only have 8000 views?
This has got to be one of the best videos on your channel, fingers crossed this gets some traction!!
Wow, that's great! I'm really glad you like it! I'm hoping it gets some traction too!
Small correction. The Doctor did not drop Death's Head on top of the Baxter Building, because at that time the Baxter Building had been destroyed (it's since been rebuilt) and the Fantastic Four were based out of Four Freedoms Plaza - identifiable by the massive number 4s on the side of the top floors.
Oh, and Death's Head showed up in Marvel UK's Real Ghostbusters comic.
I always thought hmmm wouldn't it have been fun for Columbo to work on case with Quincy, they were both a Homicide detective and a coroner who operated in LA in the '70s-'80s.
You should do more videos like this, there amazingly entertaining.
This is both nuts and absolutely fantastic
And then, AND THEN, on top of ALL OF THAT, there is Fortnite.
Fortnite.
Fortnite has crossed over with half the stuff up there on that wall.
Edit: AND THEN. AAAAND THEN! THE MCU HAS THE *AUDACITY* TO MAKE GOBOTS CANNON.
Context: The 2022 Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special features a scene where Drax and Mantis are walking through Hollywood and see several cosplayers. One of which, being Cy-kill (confirming that the Gobots exist at least as a toyline). Drax sees him, and mistakes him for an actual Gobot, and threatens to kill him. Mantis instantly realises this and tries to explain by saying "No no no sorry Gobots killed his cousin." which also confirms that there is a sentient race of transforming robots called the "Gobots" that just exists in the MCU. And because of the way that the Transformers multiverse works (with the multiversal clusters, one of which being the Gobots), the MCU is officially contained in the transformers multiverse, meaning that the entire marvel multiverse is inside the transformers multiverse.
fortnite cheated out of their teeth. they came after all of the thing they cross over with, but due to tecnicality they have full continuity
I love when people talk about comic crossovers as if dimensional rifts are opening in our own reality
As someone deeply obsessed with documenting crossovers, I love videos like these. Both because I often learn of crossovers I've never heard of, and I like seeing how different people react to the weird interconnected web.
Anyway, here's a couple of my favorite little connections. In Mario Maker one costume powerup let's Mario become Shaun the Sheep (a spinoff of Wallace and Gromit).
Mortal Kombat 11's Spawn crossover references both Spawn's and Raiden's adventures with DC
A device from 2001 A Space Odyssey appears in Watto's junkyark in Star Wars Episode 1. I particularly like this one because it seems to get overlooked for the ET easter egg instead
great video. death's head has always been awesome. had no idea he bounced around the multiverse this much.
This video was a perspective changing experience and I thank you for being so profound
Avengers "I am the Most Ambitious Crossover!"
Smash Bros. "No, I Am the most Ambitious Crossover"
Death's Head "Ha Ha. Cute."
This feels like the tommy westfall multiverse hypothesis, which is like this, but even more crazy.
Great video! DH is my favourite comic's character, having read him from the get-go back in the late 80's as a young lad addicted to the UK Transformers comic and into his own series onwards, and loved this deep dive into his crossover history. And I did laugh at the brief "DH2 sucked" comment! OG all the way!
I take it the Capcom logo that was on the far left of your connection board was him appearing in Strider Hiryu's ending in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom? THAT was a nice surprise, though would have been much better to have him as a playable character.
TF did originally seem to be part of 616 when the comic started btw, there was the symbiote-suited Spider-Man very early on (issue 4, I think of the US run?). The Savage Land also made a few appearances during prehistoric times and modern timelines, where the Dinobots fought Shockwave and ended up in the tar pits, until Ratchet resurrected them. As an eternal comics fan, this is the stuff that stays in your brain decades later when your proper work training just falls out of your ears the week after your did the course....
Oh it wasn't the Baxter building, it was Four Freedoms Plaza, the old Baxter Building was blown up in space by an imposter Doctor Doom who was actually a little boy called Kristoff with Dooms memories.
@@willgillies5670 Yeah, that one's my bad. I got so focused on the DH side of the story that it just flat-out never occurred to me to double-check and make sure it was actually the Baxter Building. (Doesn't help that I just flat-out always forget Four Freedoms Plaza was a thing)
@@Wixhael once you read the issue the old BB was blown up in, you don't easily forget.
Glad I found your channel!
Death's Head is one of Marvel's best kept secrets, yes? He's a favorite of mine too. Love the video and love the simple fact that someone else is showing the best Freelance Peacekeeping Agent there is some respect. And you should give Death's Head II another chance. DH2 and his partner Tuck are awesome too, yes? Dan Abnett and Liam Sharp's work is great.
also, how many time did he fake his death? I swear, except for a couple times, he was either hit and went down, or was in the area of a mass-destruction shot!
9:32 now that was an avengers level threat
Godzilla exists in Marvel 616 and is mentioned in Marvels first Transfomers comic
Maybe I missed it, but was it mentioned how the Doctor shrunk Death's Head down from Transformer size down to human size using the Master's Tissue Compression eliminator? That' s pretty important!
If I remember right, Spawn and Invincible consider all crossovers canon
Actually there’s just a whole universe dedicated to crossovers with Marvel, it’s called the crossoververse
How we dont have a marvel legends of this deathshead that will also be picked up by transformers collectors is beyond me
This was a good video, I liked it.
I would like to add the He-Man cross-overed with Superman.
While I already knew a fait bit in regards to the Death's Hand fiasco, at least in relation to Transformers, quite a bit of this extra information was rather interesting.
I'm glad to here it! There's a LOT going on with Death's Head, so much so that I wasn't even able to cover all of it here!
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Same
For all hail megatron, the writer said the avengers actually died in the attack. Basically saying idw1 tf just has avengers in it as well
Never knew his head was in that exhibit!
9:31 I like to imagine that all the marvel heroes was at New York when megatron nuked it
You made a Hyper Crisis video and didn't even know it. I'll explain what that means one day in the future, (and also the past)
Of course, I have that Marvel Legends DH figure alongside all my Transformers figures - and also the 7th doctor figure. I'm still looking for a decent iron man or maybe Reed richards or something to go with them. (for super cheap)
Where in any piece of Sonic media does the Matrix of Leadership appear?
IDW issue 44 when Dr. Starline kidnaps Belle you can see it in the background
such a great video
glad to have stumbled upon your channel
this video serves as a nice reminder that canon at the end of the day does not really matter and it's just a marketing thing lol. its what matters to one that's really important
Thank you, that really means a lot!
me haev head hurt now
Honestly, same.
Please help I've fallen into a doctor who rabbit hole from watching this video.
great video. Death's head is just the best.
Wait so this is all about the POTENTIAL places he could end up?
The ent. industry does not want canon. Canon just gets in the way of what they want to do.
Still waiting on a Deadpool / Death's Head crossover because who wouldn't love a merc with the mouth / freelance peacekeeper buddy comic / film... it'd be absurd and fun at a whole new level!
Gotta watch the old to appreciate the new
This was great.
Thank you!
Yeah, a Tommy Westfall type mindset can feel like that sometimes.
Also, you forgot RWB- wait, nevermind.
Death's Head wasn't "jumping between universes". Traveling "only" in time, he encountered She-Hulk, Fantastic Four and Iron Man...and in the future the characters of Dogbolter, Keepsake and Vulture, who were all part of Doctor Who.
In a Fantastic Four/Avengers crossover, Death's Head appears, and Richards recognizes him.
It was all (Marvel, Doctor Who, Death's Head, Dragons Claws) clearly the same "universe".
Only when Marvel UK lost the rights to Doctor Who, and Panini picked them up, was it ever suggested that they weren't the same.
Not sure about that, as it was quite a bit before that when Marvel decided that having Transformers in 616 was too complicated. So by extension, when DH was fighting Transformers he couldn't have been in the "main" Marvel universe.
@@milton75 In 1993 there was the "Incomplete Death's Head".
It was stated there that Death's Head's adventures had taken place across three universes..
1. The Transformers universe
2. The Body in Question universe
3. Everything else(Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Doctor Who, Dragons Claws etc.) had all taken place in the same universe.
Again, when Marvel UK lost the Doctor Who comic rights, this fact receded into the background. In later years some people spent far too much time trying to "explain away" the story "Time Bomb!"
Excellent video you are a true nerd indeed, Yes?
I loved Death's Head and this video!
He has worked with the TVA in the past
There's a few crossovers you don't even mention in this video. I'm not going to touch on the broader connections because this comment would get WAY too long and it'd give me a head ache but I'll focus on the main 3 Death's Head directly appeared in.
There's a rather famous comic book cover which featured a Black Suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. This was during the original Marvel run when they still owned the license for Transformers. There's also the Transformers Marvel crossover toy line which I personally don't really like. The Ironman toys from that run are pretty good and I could actually picture Tony making giant transforming mechas like that but all the other characters don't make any sense. They weirdly just transform into the character and not a robot which is another reason why Ironman kind of works since he kind of looks like a robot anyway. In fact in most continuities before the MCU version Ironman's identity wasn't known to the public and people actually were made to think that Ironman was a robot. Only members of the Avengers and those who worked closely with Tony like Rhodey were aware that there was actually a person in an armored suit, everyone else believed Ironman was an AI. Another reason the toys don't really work is that they usually pick the most random vehicles for them to transform into. There are a few exceptions but some of the most famous recognizable vehicles from Marvel comics still don't have Transformers toys but there are made up vehicles that have never been in any comic that are Transformers like Spider-man's car and Motorcycle... his famous vehicles in his colors that he has never used EVER! But at least there's a Transforming Venom toy to tie back to that comic of black suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. Too bad they didn't think to make it a Megatron wearing the Venom symbiote instead of a random car.
You didn't mention the fact that Death's Head was originally Cybertronian sized and the Doctor actually shrunk him down to human size.
The Doctor has actually been to Cybertron during that crossover and there are multiple other Doctor Who references in Transformers. Transformers have always been bigger in the inside, see The Transformers The Movie from 1986 specifically the scene where Astrotrain some how manages to fit the entire Decepticon army inside him including having enough room for the Constructicons to form Devastator despite the combiner being 6 times larger than Astrotrain's entire body. It's implied that Cybertron some how obtained this technology from the Doctor. It's never explicitly stated exactly how or why the exchange was made but this oddity of Tranformers being bigger on the inside like the TARDIS was not a thing in the comics until after the Doctor had appeared on Cybertron. There's a Decepticon in Transformers named Octus who literally transforms in a Dalek. There's a comic where Starscream seems to be picking up radio signals from U.N.I.T. talking about the Doctor. And certain transformers characters have used holomatter avatars to appear human appearing as different incarnations of the Doctor in their disguises.
I could also mention while there's nothing officially stating these two are the same character... I believe that Quickshadow from Transformers Rescue Bots is literally River Song. Both characters are known to have multiple aliases. We never hear any examples of other aliases Quickshadow has used but it's mentioned in her first appearance that's not her real name and only Optimus is aware of her true identity. It's never shared what her actual name is. I think this could have been part of the deal made where the Doctor traded Time Lord Technology in exchange for an blank body that didn't have a spark. River Song's consciousness was saved as a digital copy in the Library so instead of having a Spark like other Transformers Quickshadow may very well have that Digital conciousness inside her and that's why her real name is such a guarded secret, because she's not a real cybertronian. Both characters are also portrayed by Alex Kingston.
On and Clara Oswald was seen playing with a G1 Galvatron toy in the Crimson Horror but Doctor Who has also mentioned other franchises as fiction in that universe despite crossing over with them. Also the Doctor can travel between universes it's just very difficult. It's happened a few times but he does mention every time it's happened that the TARDIS isn't meant to be able to do that.
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I'd like to see Death's Head vs. Lobo.
Deaths head was in a movie:
The Tranaformers character Lockdown was heavily based on Death's Head. And lockdown was the lead villain of Tranaformers 4. Food for thought.
So it wasn't Death's Head.
While he's heavily based on Death's Head, Lockdown's characterization differs quite a lot from Death's Head.
god we need a deaths head movie, at least an animated one. could get Sylvester McCoy to do voice work for the doctor
They just made gobots mcu Canon too
You know, I thought the consensus was that Death's head was this forgotten Transformers villan that was stolen by marvel. But apparently not, he's the reason for the pop culture super multiversal conundrum. All though, it's technically Hot Rods fault, god dammit Hot Rod, First off he second degree murdered Optimus in the 1986 Cartoon, and now he second degree caused this shit storm. *Sigh*
7:06 Incorporating elements of something into something else, doesn't count as a crossover. Barb Wire and Foodfight Incorporate elements of Cassablanka. They are not crossovers.
I know this isn’t helpful but Batman has also crossed over with Judge Dredd as well 3 times
10:40 Elpasos was the planet we first see Death's Head in Transformers UK #113.
New Avengers /Transformers takes place on Earth -7642 also known in DC comics as Crossover Earth where the majority of the Marvel / DC take place.
all stories are bound by a single universal reality, real life. All stories are made in this world and are connected by the storytellers. Human existence is the tale that binds us all
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Deaths head 1990’s AWESOME COMIC
Future,Rhino,Punisher,SteveRogers,Daredevil,Wolverine and Spider-Man
Make a last stand against DH..
Wolverines claw chips on DH head...
Man Future dark Rhino and Spider-Man looked awesome.
This is amazing
Just goes to show how much you have to just treat entertainment as that and not reality lol
Yo this was great 👍
When you add fortnite to the equation the crossovers get so much worse 😭
You missed H.P. Lovecraft connections with Dr Who. Also Sherlock Holmes ones. There are several of those.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT CHRIS PRATT ON THERE 😭😭
I just saw your video here and I'm going to throw a deaths head sized spanner into the works sorry but long before DH appeared in transformers uk marvel uk confirmed the transformation & G I Joe and the main marvel universe wear all in the 616 universe spider-men teamed up with gears in issue no 3 then the transformers had a encounter with ACTION FORCE the uk branch of G I JOE so all three are on earth 616
Yes Death's Head is at the center of it all. Because all the crossovers are about $$$. What's more Death's Head than that, yes?
Captain Underpants is still the best superhero.
Epic video!
18:13 lol, saying canonicity when focusing on Doctor Who, the franchise that explicitly doesn't have a canon.
Lmao
I love Death'sHead 2
Should've mentioned our universe and how it connects to all those other universes because our universe has the ability to come up with possibly existing universes, and by relation to the multiverse, our universe is related to death's head.
Our universe is seen within doctor who because 11 meets some guy named Matt who was an actor at the time. Fans might know him for his work in Morbius
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Great video, yes?
I heard "Ben 10"
Good Guy!
No Star Trek X-Men crossover?