The music in PvZ 2 isn't boring, EA didn't make any games, they did publish though. PopCap laid off George Fan. You should've played the games you rated (this do he what it looks like), you should've rated it properly as well, and the microtransactions didn't kill the franchise.
Yeah, but is one character worth endless micro transactions, a game's legacy tarnished, and a third thing I couldn't think of? OF COURSE!!!!!!! EA NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!!!!
don't forget them calling PVZ1 a mobile game instead of a PC game and them hating BFN and the entire reason is: "people said so even though i've never played it or seen screenshots"
PVZ was never good. There I said it. There’s nothing to be happy about in PVZ. You critics won. Ok I might ever exaggerated here but I just wish this whole PVZ slander would just end.
@@Green_Pix-L well yeah but what I meant is they sometimes never acknowledge it being on pc, and what makes it's even more ironic is that sometimes when they do that, they have footage of the PC version playing in the background.
@ICEPOP580 I wasn't referring to hey1mjay I was just referring to those people who make unironic "ea bad popcap good videos" (I'm looking at you, the beak)
Or probably haven’t tried the mod AltVerz which some of their tracks are 🔥 and absolute bangers by WhisperJaz. Yeah it’s not official but I’d still recommend it.
@@pokade3659 It literally isn't. I'm pretty sure the last premium plant that was added to the game was Cold Snapdragon, which was added to the game like eight years ago.
0:21 I recall the specific video this is (probably) referencing, I recall the "comparisons" he made were incredibly bad faith. I could do the same and compare PvZ1 night lawn theme to Neon Mixtape Tour and say PvZ1 music is "boring".
There's a bunch of references in this, haha. The GW2 section using modded footage is a reference to The Completionist accidentally using footage of a PvZ1 mod that made it look like PvZ2, when talking about how PvZ2 was the "worst sequel ever".
@@goldenchatters I think it's more like he never tried to play pvz2 found a video of pvz1 mod that makes it look like pvz2 and thought it was pvz2 footage and used it to nag about micro transactions also if you didn't know already try to never support the completionist because he kept money that was donated for multiple charity events in his possession instead of donating it
Ea bad popcap good in a nutshell: 1.peashooter in thumbnail ( and probably showing ea in the background) 2:bragging how ea is bad 3.Pvz1 is the absolutely best game ever 4.never played pvzA but looks cool 5. pvz2 is the worst game the microstranscations single handely ruins it,also it CLEARLY has a bad soundtrack and a horrible artstyle,its so bad i cant look at it (has never played past ancient egypt) 6.people say gw is good so its good 7.nobody plays heroes anymore 8.Bfn = They said its bad so its bad 9. pvz 3 = Its alright i guess [Never played enough or never played at all after pvz 1] (EDIT:never reached 100 likes before,ty)
Almost accurate description of describing PVZ was never fun to begin with and the many reasons why I don’t ever watch these “downfall of PVZ” videos. Especially Danerade’s. Nobody wants to be nuanced and I hate it.
0:31 you know what's fucking hilarious the same people who said this probably would never even learn that AE soundtracks WERE ALL MADE BY LAURA SHIGIHARA, THE ONE WHO ALSO MADE THE SOUNDTRACKS OF PVZ1 HYPOCRISY IS INSANE
Seems accurate heres the misfromation, they say the pvz 2 music is boring when they literally only hear the ancient temple music the calm music compare to loonbloom with more hype, People never tired any other games beside the tower defense ones, geroge was never fired, pvz heroes is not dead still be played by the community, both popcap and EA did bad not just the microtransactions, most down rescreach and only blame the bad ea company despite popcap doing the same thing, Did I get the you did it award? ^^
@@certifiedbotfighter3594 it was probably mods also another is that (hot take) bfn was good and was just having huge room to fill cause of the expectations left by the fans
I just wanna say i love the "clearly ea made neighborville not popcap" comment because it so effectively yet nonchalantly satirizes the misunderstanding of EA/Popcaps relationship with the franchise, and how that disinformation is the main factor in some people's opinions for any of the games.
No no no, you missed the part where they proceed to describe how the universe was made (along with every single little detail of history) before talking about how Popcap was made,
I personally get sick of all The BFN slander. Like yeah, it was definitely a messy game, but why do they act like it killed your grandma? I personally blame Popcap and EA's stupidity. (COUGH COUGH) Not ADVERTISING the game (COUGH COUGH)
@peety0792 Oh. The Beak is an awful youtuber that made a pvz downfall video for clout that was VERY poorly researched, even stealing footage from pvz2 mods
@@davidleon7918and Is editing Is Just bad like how do people even like that and the worst part Is that he talks aboute lankybox and how Is brainrot and yes It Is but then your editing Is Just giving pepole with autism and ADHD a stroke
I love how they see microtransactions in pvz2 as a problem even thought the game is really easy (except for Jurassic marsh and 1 or 2 big wave beach levels)
It's not a problem as in they make the game too easy without them, it just sucks when games don't have every feature for free honestly, and the disrespect of Chomper and other plants being locked behind transactions, even when they aren't powerful.
The game is soulless and stalls for way too long. I remember playing it and not enjoying it whether it was easy or not. The locked behind paywalls features boost the game's pace by a lot. See? Terrible game design choices. That's why microtransactions in PvZ2 is one of the big problems
gotta love the videos going straight to the point, like, the average commentary youtuber would always do either 8, 9 or at best 15 minutes yapping about something but you, you only need 1 o 2 minutes, you're the goat! also you were really accurate about the satire great job 💚
@@Hey1mJay The issue is that their lack of research only covers two minutes of video at best, so they have to pad it out with “something something George Fan, Laura Shigihara, something something EA FIRED THEM” in order to enable mid roll ads they can insert every thirty seconds.
@@abdulmomenbhuiyan7737 The Greed Changed PvZ Video contained insider information from an ex-PopCap Employee with high status regarding the franchise, and they cleared up a bunch of misconceptions of what EA did and didn't do. The Is PvZ Over? video was me addressing the weird rumor that "PvZ Will Be Over"/"PopCap Going Bankrupt" non-sense people have been spewing for months with information disproving that PopCap is financially troubled. I'd say those aren't like the EA Killed PopCap videos.
@@aeolianthecomposer its also a key feature in the pvz games, i guess they are gonna make it to unlock minigames, plants, levels, more modes you gotta pay £99 per second fee
I played PvZ2 since the day it came out. The early versions (despite their flaws) were very exciting, because PopCap focused on developing Adventure levels. Each world has given players some new and returning plants, which made people excited and encouraged to go back to the game. That was until they concluded the Adventure for the likes of Arena, Inzanity or Penny's Pursuit.
See that’s what I missed about PVZ 2 back then. Once Penny’s Pursuit, Battlez and their half-baked Thyme Events came in I stopped playing it. And I’m wanting to stick to mods such as Reflourished and AltVerz which in my opinion capture the old but innovative and exciting days of what I liked about PVZ 2.
You ever actually wonder if PVZ became forgotten people would’ve been much happy at this point? I wouldn’t be surprised by now. Because no games are better than bad games existing am I right?
notice how these videos only talking about pvz but totally ignoring other popcap games just like ea themselves, truly ironic. while i do think they eventually became bad because of corporate rules (indirectly ea) and all of the old workers leaving because of it, their post-ea games aren't bad (even with microtransactions which was popcap's mobile decision), even the actual bad ones have at least some quality (at least up until pvz2's levelling era where their decisions slowly degrade and eventually current pvz3). basically they're _kinda_ right, but it's for the *very* wrong reasons, and it's even more complicated now that current popcap is worse so they're not gonna get the timeline right. no one should ever have the rights to talk about popcap/pvz's downfall unless you know exactly what you're talking about.
When people said EA bad, Entertainment Anarchists is one of those people who’s another bad apple in the PVZ community. The art style in PVZ2 isn’t that bad TBH.
I remember that period of time where everyone kept the phrase “EA Bad, PopCap Good”, such a stupid hive-minded mentality, of which this community still suffers from mind you, with old-head hive-mind mentality, still just as much but slightly more tolerable? Idk maybe it’s still just as bad lol
@@sorryshysleeper Yeah, modern PopCap that is ruled entirely by EA. They fired the people who worked on the original game and hired new developers. People who made PvZ 1 are blameless. Why is it so difficult for EA defenders to understand?
@@aeolianthecomposer Dawg, nobody is defending EA and this bs. If they are then they could be rage-baiting at this point. I get that people who made PVZ 1 are blameless so when did I say ever say that?! You want use to treat them like saints or something? Like if we’re just going keep whining about the same shit and unless we actually do something like a compromise, I genuinely doubt any of this is going to get better.
I mean, if you had to choose between beating a sh1t ton of levels that get increasingly harder and harder to unlock caulipower or just pay 5 real dollars for it, which would you choose?
@@grayhunter6603 you see… I like Zombies, but then I realized Plants killed Zombies, so I hated Plants… but then Zombies are disgusting so… YEAH I KILLED BOTH OF EM
As a certified PvZ 2 hater, whoever made those complaints are dumb. Microtransactions are a big flaw, but my biggest gripe is game balance. In PvZ 1, every plant was theoretically usable and served a neish. In PvZ 2, plants are literally just better than others. Laser Bean is better than Bloomering, for example. And while yes, Laser bean is slightly more expensive, they nuked the sun economy in the second game, so its not that much of a difference. There are also WAY too many ways to cheat. Powerups, zen garden, leveling, etc. etc. etc. To have a truely balance experience, you have to ignore like half of the games mechanics. PvZ 2 isn't the worst game ever, nor is it even bad compared to your average mobile game. But it is my least favorite game in the entire series, and it is clear that popcaps' priority changed from an enjoyable and balanced experience to giving the player as big as a dopamine rush as possible in order to squeeze them for ad money and microtransactions.
Have you tried the mod PVZ 2 AltVerz by any chance? I’ve heard from many others that it has been a better experience from the Vanilla game. It has better plant balancing where it doesn’t have any bad plants while you can use any plant for any level or any strategy you can choose, more awesome soundtracks made by WhisperJaz, better level design that has PVZ 1 level progression, no micro-transactions, no power-ups system and no Zen Garden in too. It doesn’t even have any Battlez or Penny’s Pursuit for that matter.
Me and my friends have been playing BFN and it’s an okay game. Yes it has its downsides like no variants and the removal of sticker packs, but I think the game is more fun when u have friends to goof around with as well as the amount of missions and secrets to find in the many different areas of the over world.
For once, It wasn't EA who killed the pvz franchise, but Popcap themselves who ruined it. After the firing of George Fan(the sole creator of pvz and many other great games) as well as several layoffs, the once beloved franchise took a nose dive. Popcap got greedy.
I think it would be better to say that modern EA has strangled the franchise. PvZ 1 on mobile was fine until they removed half the lawn mowers and put them behind a paywall. Pvz2 is quite fun so long as you don’t go for the extra levels until you’ve gotten plants from the next world ahead. PvZ3 I haven’t played, but I dislike how some instant-use plants are put as premium powerups instead of being in your seed-slot for a sun cost.
God I love when they talk about Gw1 and talk about how it has microtransactions for like 5 minutes but when in reality Gw1 only allows you to buy coin packs and that’s all. They tend to blow stuff out of proportion like that.
PVZ 1, 2 & 3, including PVZ Heroes, Garden Warfare series and Battle For Neighborville are my favourite games to play from EA (Even though I do like some of their games.)
The reason why people hate pvz2 for no reason is bc just it have microtransation, never played the game beside ancient egypt, and on the music part it looks like people never played neon mixtape tour and modern day parts.
I know that those videos are ridiculous but its sad how everything seemed to devolve /stop after the cancelation of BFN. I personally believe that the series deserves better, it deserves a movie(or at least an online series) , it deserves GW3 simply because the formula works (I believe that it should have shifted from tower defense to fps gw style) . As for BFN, the problem wasn't the game itself but the competition. With the GW fps style it didn't really have a direct competition and it felt like a step up for the franchise. The problem with BFN was that it was too similar with other shooters (mainly overwatch of which was big at the time if I remember correctly) , so when it came out it was branded as a "rip off", an another thing that didn't help it was the bright cartoony style which made it look cheap and over saturated and dare I say immature, among with other controversies. Again, in my opinion I believe that they should have made GW3 with some aspects from bfn being added, like the customization of powers, the pve gameplay, the bfn chomper which is objectively the best version of the chomper and the battlepass that can be completed every season. For pvz2 I would say that its objectively better than pvz1 in almost every way, the problem is that the quality of the newly added plants is dropped. I have never played pvzA but from what I have seen I can determine that it couldn't be a self stable installment like GW or the tower defense games. Lastly I kind of dislike the BFN ish style they started to incorporate after BFN, it could have worked had it been released before GW 1&2 and pvz2 because they make the BFN style look like a cocomelon downgrade(with all due respect).
Art styles fine, it's really the best change they could've done, what i don't like is how the people who made the game don't fully grasp the original style of the gw games, gw1s map design was realistic to match the whole point of being a modern warfare ripoff but with a touch of the pvz charm/craziness to give it it's identity. when they made garden warfare 2 they understood how to design the maps in a balanced way for both teams, so a bit of the realism was lost, but compensated with the pvz charm/craziness to the point where it's barely noticeable. then bfn came along. it feels like they didn't even fully understand what they were trying to copy in the first place so they just went all out in the worst ways possible. the map design feels like they were on drugs whilst making it, with many roads and paths that lead to nowhere and lots of other architectural designs that make literally no sense both in a literal and gameplay balancing aspect. the pvz charm/craziness was dialed up to 11, completely overkilling it in the process, NPCs in bfn act completely different and make me cringe up just reading their dialogue. it just feels incredibly off at all times. when I first played bfn I felt like I was in a fever dream for the rest of the day.
I have such a soft spot for BFN I don’t love it as much as GW2 but something about its uniqueness makes it have a special place in my heart even if it has many messy flaws
I cant believe there are people saying the music is boring, i played pvz2 since before the pevel system and got to wave beach around that time, and listened to every other world after that minus the roman music, pvz2's soundtrack is the most varied soundtrack ever and the songs are absolutely beautiful Granted i played pvz2 before pvz1 but i also love pvz1's soundtrack, i gotta say they both do a great job at keeping themes consistent, especially when pvz2 has more worlds than pvz1, no world music sounds identical to the other, the music composers for both games, and in my argument especially pvz2, did a really good job on the soundtrack
you forgot a few things... 1. PvZ1 being a "mobile game" 2. Outdated PvZ2 footage from 2011 3. Calling the shooters "cash grabs" 4. Saying PvZ is ruined because PvZ2 changed a single minute detail from the original
“But Gargantuar is on Level 8 of Ancient Egypt. They’re forcing you to spend money on Pay-to-Win plants.” WOW. It’s almost like they unlock the next world for you to play without beating Ancient Egypt so you can unlock better plants and not spend any money.
Whoever points out all the misinformation in this video will get my very own "you did it" award
The music in PvZ 2 isn't boring, EA didn't make any games, they did publish though. PopCap laid off George Fan.
You should've played the games you rated (this do he what it looks like), you should've rated it properly as well, and the microtransactions didn't kill the franchise.
@@DJsNormalChannelGeorge fan wasn't fired, he was laid off, there's a difference.
@hangrychip I was gonna correct that- lol
You can tell it’s misinformation because PvZ2 music is amazing
Pvz 2 is goated.
pvz fans when they realize that solar flare exists because of ea
FORGIVE ME FOR EVERYTHING EA‼️‼️‼️
Yeah, but is one character worth endless micro transactions, a game's legacy tarnished, and a third thing I couldn't think of?
OF COURSE!!!!!!! EA NUMBER ONE!!!!!!!!!!
EA we truly owe you an apology
I proceed to still not care
@@ERICBALYBERDIN-h2z ok
don't forget them calling PVZ1 a mobile game instead of a PC game and them hating BFN and the entire reason is: "people said so even though i've never played it or seen screenshots"
I played BFN and I say it's pretty underrated
_PvZ 1_ is literally both
Pvz bfn might be the worst shooter out of the 3. But it was never bad to begin with. Just decent to say the least with poorly made decisions
PVZ was never good. There I said it. There’s nothing to be happy about in PVZ. You critics won.
Ok I might ever exaggerated here but I just wish this whole PVZ slander would just end.
@@Green_Pix-L well yeah but what I meant is they sometimes never acknowledge it being on pc, and what makes it's even more ironic is that sometimes when they do that, they have footage of the PC version playing in the background.
Don’t forget the creators deleting all the comments debunking every single point they make.
Poop
Yeah
Or things even becoming apparent that the creator(s) of the videos didn't even play pvz at all
EA fault fr fr
@ICEPOP580
I wasn't referring to hey1mjay
I was just referring to those people who make unironic "ea bad popcap good videos" (I'm looking at you, the beak)
@@CoralReaper707 I was referring to that new one by Entertainment Anarchist who blocks people who criticize their stuff from their channel.
Popcap hiding behind the tree watching EA getting beat down like "Yeah beat him up!" Then proceeds to make really horrible changes themselves
People say EA killed Pvz and yet 90% of the games wouldn’t exist without them like heroes or garden warfare which only exist cause EA
Bro facts, i cannot stand when people constantly keep saying that shit all the time
@ yeah really same here
And the fact that EA didn't actually made the games in first place
@ yeah true the pay to wins aspects though is partially EA though since they have some say in things
@@MetallgenixSame. And yet if people disagree with you they’ll call you a EA meat-gazer even if you have some criticisms.
Don't forget the missing "I only played PvZ1 once on PC and died once in 5-9 and never completed adventure" disclaimer.
"I couldn't even finish ancient egypt"
"They got this Zomboss character in PVZ2 who looks so goofy and out of place. I don't remember that from the original."
People who say, “Plants Vs Zombies 2 has boring music,” clearly never played the game until Neon Mixtape Tour.
Until Ancient Egypt*
@@allnwhite2445 until after the first planck second*
Or probably haven’t tried the mod AltVerz which some of their tracks are 🔥 and absolute bangers by WhisperJaz.
Yeah it’s not official but I’d still recommend it.
They clearly never played Big Wave Beach
Until the tutorial*
Pvz fans when they have to pay for food (any type of paid content is bad and therefore it should've been free)
Indeed
I don't have money to pay with 😭
Every new plant in pvz2 is payed bruh
@@pokade3659 It literally isn't. I'm pretty sure the last premium plant that was added to the game was Cold Snapdragon, which was added to the game like eight years ago.
bad comparison but ok
0:21 I recall the specific video this is (probably) referencing, I recall the "comparisons" he made were incredibly bad faith. I could do the same and compare PvZ1 night lawn theme to Neon Mixtape Tour and say PvZ1 music is "boring".
There's a bunch of references in this, haha. The GW2 section using modded footage is a reference to The Completionist accidentally using footage of a PvZ1 mod that made it look like PvZ2, when talking about how PvZ2 was the "worst sequel ever".
Be careful man. You don’t want to alert to PVZ 1 elites on Twitter or this comment section by saying “PVZ1 music is boring”.
@@Hey1mJay wait he used a mod? WOW
@@goldenchatters I think it's more like he never tried to play pvz2 found a video of pvz1 mod that makes it look like pvz2 and thought it was pvz2 footage and used it to nag about micro transactions
also if you didn't know already try to never support the completionist because he kept money that was donated for multiple charity events in his possession instead of donating it
@@Hey1mJayNo way that someone confused a mod for the real sequel- 😭💀
Ea bad popcap good in a nutshell:
1.peashooter in thumbnail ( and probably showing ea in the background)
2:bragging how ea is bad
3.Pvz1 is the absolutely best game ever
4.never played pvzA but looks cool
5. pvz2 is the worst game the microstranscations single handely ruins it,also it CLEARLY has a bad soundtrack and a horrible artstyle,its so bad i cant look at it (has never played past ancient egypt)
6.people say gw is good so its good
7.nobody plays heroes anymore
8.Bfn = They said its bad so its bad
9. pvz 3 = Its alright i guess
[Never played enough or never played at all after pvz 1]
(EDIT:never reached 100 likes before,ty)
Almost accurate description of describing PVZ was never fun to begin with and the many reasons why I don’t ever watch these “downfall of PVZ” videos. Especially Danerade’s. Nobody wants to be nuanced and I hate it.
And Peashooter's eyes are censored in the thumbnail for some reason lol
you forgot:
10: a shit ton of bais for some of the shit
some of the games DO suck, just saying that pvz2 could have been a good game if the ea ceo did not have a mr krabs persona
@@sorryshysleeper What type of nuance do you want to give EA
"The art-style sucks. The music is boring"
* literal greatest thing ever *
@@PurplePizza mfs never heard Big Wave Beach
One person keeping PVZ2 alive: Zackscottgames
0:31 you know what's fucking hilarious
the same people who said this probably would never even learn that AE soundtracks WERE ALL MADE BY LAURA SHIGIHARA, THE ONE WHO ALSO MADE THE SOUNDTRACKS OF PVZ1
HYPOCRISY IS INSANE
Seems accurate heres the misfromation, they say the pvz 2 music is boring when they literally only hear the ancient temple music the calm music compare to loonbloom with more hype, People never tired any other games beside the tower defense ones, geroge was never fired, pvz heroes is not dead still be played by the community, both popcap and EA did bad not just the microtransactions, most down rescreach and only blame the bad ea company despite popcap doing the same thing, Did I get the you did it award? ^^
@@DoodlemaxPvZ Nearly them all!
Another one: you cant play as dandelion or squash in GW2
@@certifiedbotfighter3594 it was probably mods also another is that (hot take) bfn was good and was just having huge room to fill cause of the expectations left by the fans
I just wanna say i love the "clearly ea made neighborville not popcap" comment because it so effectively yet nonchalantly satirizes the misunderstanding of EA/Popcaps relationship with the franchise, and how that disinformation is the main factor in some people's opinions for any of the games.
Popcap is the one who is making their own downfall.
true, they are just as bad as Rovio
OH WOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE EA BOUGHT THE COMPANY AND FIRED HALF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS. UNBELIEVABLE
Very accurate, ur just missing the first 10 minutes where they talk about how Popcap was made or smth
No no no, you missed the part where they proceed to describe how the universe was made (along with every single little detail of history) before talking about how Popcap was made,
EXACTLY. it's more than noticeable that they just played the first game and then only played 9 femtoseconds of the rest
PVZ3 getting a higher score than PVZ2, and Heroes? This is total sacrilege!
I personally get sick of all The BFN slander.
Like yeah, it was definitely a messy game, but why do they act like it killed your grandma? I personally blame Popcap and EA's stupidity.
(COUGH COUGH) Not ADVERTISING the game (COUGH COUGH)
Write my words, The game tanked so hard because of that shadow-drop.
Advertise the dead in the water game
My grandma died of boredom playing BFN, so yes it did kill my grandma
Preach
I actually find BFN pretty entertaining and the PVP is good. I hate how it always crashes though but oh well
I find It very ironic how for the (boring music) examples it was most of ancient Egypt, when that music was composed by Laura
POV: pvz downfall video be like
microtransactions aside, i really enjoy pvz2.
@ICEPOP580Womp Womp
Its ironic how they get on at EA and popcap for only caring about money when thats the only reason they made these videos
THIS.
I think its rage bait
you forgot to spend half of the video talking about pvz1 developement and George Fan
POV: You are watching the beak
what does this even mean
@peety0792
Oh. The Beak is an awful youtuber that made a pvz downfall video for clout that was VERY poorly researched, even stealing footage from pvz2 mods
@@CoralReaper707 yeah, he milks a lot of things
@@CoralReaper707 Plus his voice is annoying.
@@davidleon7918and Is editing Is Just bad like how do people even like that and the worst part Is that he talks aboute lankybox and how Is brainrot and yes It Is but then your editing Is Just giving pepole with autism and ADHD a stroke
what a good satirical take of those tiresome essay videos about downfall of everything
0:15 Who tf plants Melon-pult less than a tile away from a zombie, wtf was that bro 😭😭😭
should’ve used cabbage
Probably to show the bad lawn placements those people use as backround footage
This is extremely accurate to what those nostalgia baited fans would say lol
Except for the PvZ 3 part. I cannot see any nostalgic type rating anything above a 3 for that slop.
I love how they see microtransactions in pvz2 as a problem even thought the game is really easy (except for Jurassic marsh and 1 or 2 big wave beach levels)
@Noggin-msm-u6p
Gonna be honest, the microtransactions are the least of our worries here since they're entirely optional
It's not a problem as in they make the game too easy without them, it just sucks when games don't have every feature for free honestly, and the disrespect of Chomper and other plants being locked behind transactions, even when they aren't powerful.
The game is soulless and stalls for way too long. I remember playing it and not enjoying it whether it was easy or not. The locked behind paywalls features boost the game's pace by a lot. See? Terrible game design choices. That's why microtransactions in PvZ2 is one of the big problems
And yet mods won’t make anyone happy. Anyone’s wrong for liking PVZ 2 even if it has flaws, huh?
I like the comments started talking about a completely different thing than what i said. (And which are fake)
gotta love the videos going straight to the point, like, the average commentary youtuber would always do either 8, 9 or at best 15 minutes yapping about something but you, you only need 1 o 2 minutes, you're the goat!
also you were really accurate about the satire great job 💚
i can't tolerate those videos that tell me information like the dev history about a game when its not relevant, just TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK 😭
@@Hey1mJay The issue is that their lack of research only covers two minutes of video at best, so they have to pad it out with “something something George Fan, Laura Shigihara, something something EA FIRED THEM” in order to enable mid roll ads they can insert every thirty seconds.
Pvz2 is better then pvz1 and i'm dying on that hill.😭
Nice shot at the Beak. He's a brave MF for not hiding the comments or the counter on his video
@@GNVS300 This wasn't intended specifically at anyone lol he just set the standard for these kinds of videos
@@Hey1mJay I honestly thought that it was supposed to be that new one that just dropped by “Entertainment Anarchist.”
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast thats what inspired me to make it but its not aimed at anyone specifically
did hey1mjay just go from face to heel to face, wasn't he making videos that kind of ea bad popcap good
@@abdulmomenbhuiyan7737 The Greed Changed PvZ Video contained insider information from an ex-PopCap Employee with high status regarding the franchise, and they cleared up a bunch of misconceptions of what EA did and didn't do. The Is PvZ Over? video was me addressing the weird rumor that "PvZ Will Be Over"/"PopCap Going Bankrupt" non-sense people have been spewing for months with information disproving that PopCap is financially troubled. I'd say those aren't like the EA Killed PopCap videos.
“While I’ve never played it”
funny thing:
in the mobile pvz 1, they made it so you gotta watch ads for lawnmower lmao
Why did they even make that in the first place?! The mobile version is already filled with some ads to watch so why bother?
And yet people will keep defending EA
@@aeolianthecomposer its also a key feature in the pvz games, i guess they are gonna make it to unlock minigames, plants, levels, more modes you gotta pay £99 per second fee
@BatJRGT minigames cost freaking 100k coins or something around that in pvz 1 mobile, at this point just paying real money is better
@@aeolianthecomposer its popcap.... sigh...
Here in the Spanish-speaking part the same thing happens with 99% of videos of "la decadencia de plantas vs zombies"😂😂😂
dont forget the part where they've never even played the god-damn game
I played PvZ2 since the day it came out. The early versions (despite their flaws) were very exciting, because PopCap focused on developing Adventure levels. Each world has given players some new and returning plants, which made people excited and encouraged to go back to the game.
That was until they concluded the Adventure for the likes of Arena, Inzanity or Penny's Pursuit.
See that’s what I missed about PVZ 2 back then. Once Penny’s Pursuit, Battlez and their half-baked Thyme Events came in I stopped playing it. And I’m wanting to stick to mods such as Reflourished and AltVerz which in my opinion capture the old but innovative and exciting days of what I liked about PVZ 2.
dont forget the title saying
"THIS PVZ SITUATION KILLED ITS POPULARITY!!!!111!! - plants vs zombies vs ea"
You ever actually wonder if PVZ became forgotten people would’ve been much happy at this point? I wouldn’t be surprised by now. Because no games are better than bad games existing am I right?
notice how these videos only talking about pvz but totally ignoring other popcap games just like ea themselves, truly ironic.
while i do think they eventually became bad because of corporate rules (indirectly ea) and all of the old workers leaving because of it, their post-ea games aren't bad (even with microtransactions which was popcap's mobile decision), even the actual bad ones have at least some quality (at least up until pvz2's levelling era where their decisions slowly degrade and eventually current pvz3).
basically they're _kinda_ right, but it's for the *very* wrong reasons, and it's even more complicated now that current popcap is worse so they're not gonna get the timeline right.
no one should ever have the rights to talk about popcap/pvz's downfall unless you know exactly what you're talking about.
PvZ is so stupid, we all should play John Pork: The Porking Warfare
too true to be true
you forgot to add comparing pvz1 music to pvz2 music unfairly (prob cuz copyright)
0:13 DO NOT DISRESPECT MY FAV OF ALL THE FRANCHISE!👿
I actually though that THIS would be one of those videos and got annoyed
Haha, the critic is bad at playing PvZ2.
The people who made these didn't even know pvz
When people said EA bad, Entertainment Anarchists is one of those people who’s another bad apple in the PVZ community. The art style in PVZ2 isn’t that bad TBH.
“I haven’t played garden warfare… BUT!”
They are literally telling you "EA Bad, Popcap Good." Without mentioning their flaws equally.
I remember that period of time where everyone kept the phrase “EA Bad, PopCap Good”, such a stupid hive-minded mentality, of which this community still suffers from mind you, with old-head hive-mind mentality, still just as much but slightly more tolerable? Idk maybe it’s still just as bad lol
PVZ community bad
That's not hivemind, it's just an objectively correct take
@@aeolianthecomposer Ok but like both EA and modern PopCap suck though.
@@sorryshysleeper
Yeah, modern PopCap that is ruled entirely by EA. They fired the people who worked on the original game and hired new developers. People who made PvZ 1 are blameless. Why is it so difficult for EA defenders to understand?
@@aeolianthecomposer Dawg, nobody is defending EA and this bs. If they are then they could be rage-baiting at this point. I get that people who made PVZ 1 are blameless so when did I say ever say that?! You want use to treat them like saints or something? Like if we’re just going keep whining about the same shit and unless we actually do something like a compromise, I genuinely doubt any of this is going to get better.
I mean, if you had to choose between beating a sh1t ton of levels that get increasingly harder and harder to unlock caulipower or just pay 5 real dollars for it, which would you choose?
Babe, wake up, hey1mJay posted another banger!
it was I who killed PVZ, sorry guys
@@LordOfSpaghetti_Official how could you...
@@LordOfSpaghetti_Official damn..
@@grayhunter6603 you see… I like Zombies, but then I realized Plants killed Zombies, so I hated Plants… but then Zombies are disgusting so… YEAH I KILLED BOTH OF EM
You forgot that bfn is more "PvE" focused, perfect vid too
PvZ2 ost is so damn good
As a certified PvZ 2 hater, whoever made those complaints are dumb. Microtransactions are a big flaw, but my biggest gripe is game balance.
In PvZ 1, every plant was theoretically usable and served a neish. In PvZ 2, plants are literally just better than others. Laser Bean is better than Bloomering, for example. And while yes, Laser bean is slightly more expensive, they nuked the sun economy in the second game, so its not that much of a difference.
There are also WAY too many ways to cheat. Powerups, zen garden, leveling, etc. etc. etc. To have a truely balance experience, you have to ignore like half of the games mechanics.
PvZ 2 isn't the worst game ever, nor is it even bad compared to your average mobile game. But it is my least favorite game in the entire series, and it is clear that popcaps' priority changed from an enjoyable and balanced experience to giving the player as big as a dopamine rush as possible in order to squeeze them for ad money and microtransactions.
Have you tried the mod PVZ 2 AltVerz by any chance? I’ve heard from many others that it has been a better experience from the Vanilla game. It has better plant balancing where it doesn’t have any bad plants while you can use any plant for any level or any strategy you can choose, more awesome soundtracks made by WhisperJaz, better level design that has PVZ 1 level progression, no micro-transactions, no power-ups system and no Zen Garden in too. It doesn’t even have any Battlez or Penny’s Pursuit for that matter.
@sorryshysleeper I've heard good things about PvZ 2 mods, but thats the communities work, not popcap. Base game wise, PvZ 2 is terrible
I actually got to play PvZ Adventures when it up but I gave up once I ran out of Sweat Peas
In the future: ea good popcap bad
0:19 literally what "true plants vs zombies players" say when the sprite have 1 pixel change
PvZ 2 was so peak pre leveling that they created one piece
I’m gonna be honest, PvZ2 had the best art style honestly
Everyone jay made a video:D
They always take jabs at ancient egypt's music even tho it's honestly pretty good, calming AND it also even fits the way most levels go.
Me and my friends have been playing BFN and it’s an okay game. Yes it has its downsides like no variants and the removal of sticker packs, but I think the game is more fun when u have friends to goof around with as well as the amount of missions and secrets to find in the many different areas of the over world.
The rage bait lowkey 🔥
truer words cannot be said
For once, It wasn't EA who killed the pvz franchise, but Popcap themselves who ruined it. After the firing of George Fan(the sole creator of pvz and many other great games) as well as several layoffs, the once beloved franchise took a nose dive. Popcap got greedy.
This is a satire
@MaverickChomper I know, it's just a fun fact. Also if you're playing pvz 2 and don't wanna spend money, just use a pp.dat editor.
@@mopsygirl6529 I don't play vanilla anymore, I like mods more, but thanks :)
@@MaverickChomper Me too.
@@MaverickChomper Me three.
hey, at least people are now realising that EA owning PopCap wasn't so bad, still disappointed with how the new games are going tho
I think it would be better to say that modern EA has strangled the franchise. PvZ 1 on mobile was fine until they removed half the lawn mowers and put them behind a paywall. Pvz2 is quite fun so long as you don’t go for the extra levels until you’ve gotten plants from the next world ahead. PvZ3 I haven’t played, but I dislike how some instant-use plants are put as premium powerups instead of being in your seed-slot for a sun cost.
PVZ2 Is a good game, they just removed some of the cool concepts.
They completely abandoned PVZ Heroes. It hasn't gotten a *significant* update in more than 6 years
God I love when they talk about Gw1 and talk about how it has microtransactions for like 5 minutes but when in reality Gw1 only allows you to buy coin packs and that’s all. They tend to blow stuff out of proportion like that.
This video, while i didn't watch it, looks pretty cool.
6/10.
Remind me to not come back when Antoons raises his scythe over Crazy Dave
PVZ 1, 2 & 3, including PVZ Heroes, Garden Warfare series and Battle For Neighborville are my favourite games to play from EA (Even though I do like some of their games.)
The reason why people hate pvz2 for no reason is bc just it have microtransation, never played the game beside ancient egypt, and on the music part it looks like people never played neon mixtape tour and modern day parts.
Ea: I am not your failure, Community…
You didn’t kill Plants VS Zombies…
Popcap did…
Popcap: EA I hate you.
EA: So?
Popcap: *mad*
Ah yes my favorite GW2 characters, neo squash and dandelion
Bro cooked and burned us all including himself.
It's satire don't mock him
The funny thing is that after the video ended, it played another video, which is saying how EA ruined pvz
I know that those videos are ridiculous but its sad how everything seemed to devolve /stop after the cancelation of BFN.
I personally believe that the series deserves better, it deserves a movie(or at least an online series) , it deserves GW3 simply because the formula works (I believe that it should have shifted from tower defense to fps gw style) .
As for BFN, the problem wasn't the game itself but the competition. With the GW fps style it didn't really have a direct competition and it felt like a step up for the franchise. The problem with BFN was that it was too similar with other shooters (mainly overwatch of which was big at the time if I remember correctly) , so when it came out it was branded as a "rip off", an another thing that didn't help it was the bright cartoony style which made it look cheap and over saturated and dare I say immature, among with other controversies.
Again, in my opinion I believe that they should have made GW3 with some aspects from bfn being added, like the customization of powers, the pve gameplay, the bfn chomper which is objectively the best version of the chomper and the battlepass that can be completed every season.
For pvz2 I would say that its objectively better than pvz1 in almost every way, the problem is that the quality of the newly added plants is dropped.
I have never played pvzA but from what I have seen I can determine that it couldn't be a self stable installment like GW or the tower defense games.
Lastly I kind of dislike the BFN ish style they started to incorporate after BFN, it could have worked had it been released before GW 1&2 and pvz2 because they make the BFN style look like a cocomelon downgrade(with all due respect).
Art styles fine, it's really the best change they could've done, what i don't like is how the people who made the game don't fully grasp the original style of the gw games, gw1s map design was realistic to match the whole point of being a modern warfare ripoff but with a touch of the pvz charm/craziness to give it it's identity. when they made garden warfare 2 they understood how to design the maps in a balanced way for both teams, so a bit of the realism was lost, but compensated with the pvz charm/craziness to the point where it's barely noticeable. then bfn came along. it feels like they didn't even fully understand what they were trying to copy in the first place so they just went all out in the worst ways possible. the map design feels like they were on drugs whilst making it, with many roads and paths that lead to nowhere and lots of other architectural designs that make literally no sense both in a literal and gameplay balancing aspect. the pvz charm/craziness was dialed up to 11, completely overkilling it in the process, NPCs in bfn act completely different and make me cringe up just reading their dialogue. it just feels incredibly off at all times. when I first played bfn I felt like I was in a fever dream for the rest of the day.
1:06 as a avid pvzh fan I’m quite offended… but your right about no one talking about it “mostly” because there’s fry em up
Alt title: being stupid TAS any% world record
I have such a soft spot for BFN I don’t love it as much as GW2 but something about its uniqueness makes it have a special place in my heart even if it has many messy flaws
At least we still have PvZ2 Grind Thousand (no microtransactions, all you get is by grinding and farming)
"The music is boring." I'm sorry, you're a hero. And you have to leave.
I cant believe there are people saying the music is boring, i played pvz2 since before the pevel system and got to wave beach around that time, and listened to every other world after that minus the roman music, pvz2's soundtrack is the most varied soundtrack ever and the songs are absolutely beautiful
Granted i played pvz2 before pvz1 but i also love pvz1's soundtrack, i gotta say they both do a great job at keeping themes consistent, especially when pvz2 has more worlds than pvz1, no world music sounds identical to the other, the music composers for both games, and in my argument especially pvz2, did a really good job on the soundtrack
Ik it's very obvious but i love the editing style, it's like now everyone edits videos like this for some reason
I’m anticapitalist and I like PVZ 2 lol
you forgot a few things...
1. PvZ1 being a "mobile game"
2. Outdated PvZ2 footage from 2011
3. Calling the shooters "cash grabs"
4. Saying PvZ is ruined because PvZ2 changed a single minute detail from the original
pvz when sunflower:
Putting Gw1 higher than BFN and Pvz2 are crazy, lmao.
GW1 is good tho
“But Gargantuar is on Level 8 of Ancient Egypt. They’re forcing you to spend money on Pay-to-Win plants.”
WOW. It’s almost like they unlock the next world for you to play without beating Ancient Egypt so you can unlock better plants and not spend any money.
to be fair EA did just make you haev to watch ads to use the lawnmowers in pvz1
I love the subtle joke of you playing pvz 2 terribly
Pvz creators when you tell them that live service games need microtransactions to make more content
pvz fans when they need to pay for dinner (unoptional microtransaction)
It seems like EA rlly “Pea-Shitted” on our beloved franchise
don't forget how they ignore how popcap is responsible for most of these problems and not EA since EA is just the publisher
I love the absolutely abysmal strats during playthrough footage 🤣
Also, if you watch a single video pvz related, your feed will be swarmed by these